More than likely, the 10GB model is being discontinued to reset the "MSRP" of the 3080. As rumours have suggested, this is just Nvida throwing partners and consumers under the bus.
Exactly my thoughts. Imagine all people in queue for 1+ year waiting their 3080 at MSRP or around it and getting an email saying "hey, your product has been discontinued, sorry for waiting, there is now this '+100% price increase 3080 12GB' if you wish".
Yup. Some people were surprised the 3080 MSRP was maintained compared to the 2080, and not increased, but here they're just upping it, to set the mood for the next gen which I'm guessing will increase MSRP across the board. It's crazy there isn't even an MSRP. Nvidia isn't even trying to hide it's price gouging tactics. Regardless of the current state of the market, and the non-existent MSRP cards, that is inexcusable and shouldn't happen.
Doubt it though, from what I heard the 10GB model is still being produced but they are all LHR now - and the MSRP is effectively "reset" already regardless (at least from my place, they are retailed at basically twice the price of the original model)
That's not the case, the 10GB model and the 12Gb model will co-exist Nvidia has stated it. This little conspiracy theory has no logic as the 3080 10GB cannot be found "at anything like" MSRP.
They don't care about you, nor are they taking your side. They themselves are simply cash-grabbing in the same way Nvidia is by playing the moral heroes. I mean, why even look at Nvidia products after you've essentially been blackballed by them? Because the said videos bring Hardware Unboxed money. That's pretty shady istelf.
@@icanmakeeverythingilovedie9861 The fuck are you on about? Plenty of other UA-camrs have spoken out against Nvidia and other brands in the past the same way HWU has. Also, their job is literally to make videos about the industry. How is it shady? Would your rather them not mentioning shit like this at all and just staying quiet when big brands try to pull crap like this? If anything, them speaking out against big brands and refusing to be bribed is a sign that they're on the customer's side. Otherwise they would've taken the money and stayed quiet.
@@icanmakeeverythingilovedie9861 what? They’re covering Nvidia products and that’s what the audience is here for mainly they also got bills food house electric water gas clothes kids maybe to care of course they need money but them exposing nvidia instead of staying quite is something you not making any sense basically that’s every platform every job what you’re talking about and they’re job is to report the product and data themselves they don’t have to talk about nvidia shady practices but they care about the audience
Here in NZ I bought my original 3080 on launch day for $1550NZ. Checking today this new 12GB 3080 is going for around $2800NZ. Absolutely nuts. I feel sorry for anyone trying to get into the PC gaming world today!
In nz also, paid the same. Madness how much people are getting shafted, the crazy thing is when we got our cards they were overpriced then but now it's just Madness 😠
@@scamfighter2297 To be fair I ended up selling my original 3080 and got a 3080Ti instead. Even when I bought that it was just under $2100NZ. The prices of this new 3080 12GB make that 3080ti purchase look like a genius decision. Urgh.
well, theres nothing to feel bad for though, this years ganereleases are pretty bad, its mostly corridor runners shooting zombies or mmos or lame platforming games. Its really bad when it comes to pc games. Besides i never buy games on release and always wait 1 year. so ill wait till next year. And if i can i will try and not support nvidia.
The fact that some people are still waiting for a 3080 they ordered at the original price. And Nvidia decides to release this instead of honouring those purchases is pretty disgusting
I'm not sure that's really fair. Correct me if I'm wrong but Nvidia don't sell to the public do they? So anyone with an outstanding order has placed it with a vendor that didn't have the cards to sell.
Only a few channels out there have what it takes to stand up to Nvidia’s BS. Thank you HUB for being one of them. Many channels out there are nvidias lackeys and go along with all of this
Is it Nvidia's BS though? They have every right to get full value of their product. And legitimate users are buying this at their prices. There is nothing immoral about this. Asking them to sell their cards for less than they are worth is the greedy action here. Does it suck? Sure. Is Nvidia bad? No. They have every moral obligation to getting full value.
True... A lot of 3080/90s are available in Germany, for a high price lol But that's often the beginning of an price drop, you know production meets demand first, then the price I coming down.
I remember when this gpu generation was announced, and I were surprised Nvidia didn't try to push the 3090 to that sweet $2000 msrp. If only we knew...
@@user-fo1nk3pd1t yeah, screw all the reviewers that told us to wait for the RTX 3000 series! (this is of course a joke because no one could foresee all this). Well, at least my 1060 is still hanging in there lol
I made the mistake and bought one, some games max out the 10 gb easily... a high end card that cannot run every game on max settings? Wish I went for AMD instead
@@penedrador I run 4k max settings on a LG BX OLED 120hz. My 6900xt regularly calls for over 12gb too. That was my issue with the 3000 series. Nvidia are a generation behind on vram capacity. AMD went 8gb on the R9 390/X and Nvidia took til the 1000 series to get to that milestone. It wasn't such an issue at the time, but really is now!
@@penedrador Does it really impact performance though. To see if that's the case you can lower textures (impact VRAM usage heavily without too much impact on raster perf), and see if you get a performance boost. It's often just an allocation thing, without a real impact.
@@penedrador , max out 10GB easily? I imagine you are playing the most demanding games with ray tracing and at 4k only? There is no way you could be bottlenecked and maxed out by 10GB at 1080p or 1440p even at Ultra settings.
Absolutely insane! To see people even consider this product at those elevated prices and for such a modest fps increase. It is unfortunate that folks have now run out and scooped up these things...somehow believing they got a bargain over the original. The reality is...they could have gotten more action by visiting their local proctologist. It would have been cheaper.
The reality is unfortunately for some people. they are forced to pick up products in this market because its either that or not have a working computer. I honestly think that is what is going on. I think the market now is just the desperate to get something for the most part. I know multiple individuals who have purchased at these inflated prices because simply 'they could not wait any longer'... meaning their 6-7-8 year old GPU died. And it was either purchase at insane markups. Or give up their hobby for the foreseeable future. So when your staring down the barrel, what do you do?
@@Coeb005 I'm not sure I can agree. If we look at the data. the RTX 3000 series is 18 months old at this point. GPU cycles are around 2 years now. Meaning we should be seeing a new GPU series in 6-9 months from both Team Red and Team Green. Team Blue has really f-ed up this generation by being so late to market and unless they have something amazing, in reality all they will do is drive down prices towards the next gen. If I am going to be spending thousands on a decent GPU to replace what I already have. I am going to be looking for a huge uplift that will last me years. So thus, for me I've written off this generation. I could 'afford' it if I really wanted to just eat beans and rice for awhile and then buy it. But the reality is, I don't 'need' it. Right now the sales are going to people who 'need' it. Not want it. And yes, I'm expecting inflated prices next gen as well. Because pent up demand is going to take years to fix with our current supply of GPU's.
I paid 890€ for my 3080, after tax adjustment and shipping since it was in France. TUF OC version so not more than 90€ off the real MSRP for such a card at launch. Seeing people get absolutely ripped off for almost the same performance is really shitty.
i say this anytime someone wants me to mention them an unbiased and trusted pc hardware youtuber, hardware unboxed and gamers nexus are on a league of their own when it comes to computer parts and comparisons
that's still a thing or what may sound silly the 390 from ATi r9 290X 4 GB is still a good card for 1080p, GTX 970s or 980 as well, basically anything with 4GB is still a good option as long as the memory bus isn't crippled, like some of Nvidias cards. Anyone atm thinking 4K gaming is the way to go, is really not smart at all as there is literally not much advantage over 1440p 1440p is an improvement over 1080p but 4 K is just a money grab nothing more, yes VR needs that high res but still is fare from perfect atm.
I just backwards in games. Playing 10 year old classics on my 5700g apu 60fps@4k... No microtransactions, no preorders, no broken launches. Modern AAA gaming is over rated.
@@GunsniperRZ8 Not sure about that, my RX 580 is struggling in new games, i always have to put many specs on low or go down to 1600x900 if i want smooth 60fps.
@@UncannySense Most of modern AAA games are overrated i agree but not all of them. For example i want to play Elden Ring and God of War soon but no chance my RX 580 can run it 60fps with good details.
you know GOD of WAR is already an older game and should run fine on the RX 580 most issue is for newer games if your CPU is like a older generation it will cause issues, as then CPU becomes aswell a bottleneck. mostly is worse if your CPU is at 100% rather your GPU
I have one, and I'd call it a 3080 Super. I'm happy with the purchase, it is a beast. I noticed in Assasin's Creed the 4K stats are 65 for the 3080 12GB, 66 for the Ti, and 67 for the 3090. 2 fps below a 3090, yep, I'll take it.
@@MikaelKKarlsson Word. 3 foundries went down for at least a couple of weeks last summer. When they go down, it takes about a week to get them back up.
This actually makes very good sense from a manufacturing perspective. Sucks for the consumer though. They can't produce any more chips, that's more or less a fixed value for them. But what they can do is absolutely maximize the yield utilization of that silicon by adding multiple SKUs so they aren't disabling cores if they don't have to. It's exactly what you'd expect.
Yeah let them release GPUs at crazy prices. Also because of miners, scalpers more and more people will just switch to consoles. I hope they lose many customers.
Worst part about all of this is that they'll get away with this abusive behaviour, both NVIDIA and AMD, that is, their dystopian duopoly... even "low-end" GPU like RTX 3050 NVIDIA promised and announced at 250 USD for MSRP, now they're listing it on their own, first party site at 1400pln which translates to 350 USD.
Why make any other gpus? They can't fulfill the high end market yet still... You want a budget gpu, but if their flagship price gpus fly off the shelves, would they make anything but their most profitable product? Do you make less money at work to make your boss happy? Or do you ask for as much money as you can get?
Duopoly is a good word for it. Exactly what they have been doing. Amazing it took people 15 months to figure out that AMD and Nvidia weren't actually obeying their own "MSRPs" and instead inflating the price by 100-175% to their AIBs/Retailers who would in turn charge +175-200% for their GPUs. 15 months of people believing their lies, lmfao. This industry/market sucks if the consumers can't even tell they are being played.
Its June 22 and the cheapest 10gb 3080 is $750. The cheapest 12gb 3080 is $799 and the cheapest 12gb 3080ti is $1100. 12gb 3080 is a pretty good deal these days.
But the temps and power draw along with that price... are fkd. Uses just as much power as a 3090 and temps are at least 10degrees hotter. All this while paying almost $200 more for a measley 2frames extra is pure stupidity... or ignorance unfortunately.
Flagship cards used to have substantially less memory and 200W power envelopes. The current equivalent would be a 3070, and if MSRP was a real thing, it would be 500-600$ depending on your model.
@@MechAdv so? should we talk about ram sticks 30 years ago and their prices back then and compare it with ram sticks today? you would pay a house for a fucking stick if price scales equally to performance.
@@Dr.WhetFarts sure, but who plays at 4k. Most gamers are just 1080p. I would buy a 3080ti instead of maybe, at best 10% more performance which is just 10fps...
@@ShadowGardenBDO 3080 for 1080p is a waste, 1440p +144hz is the way to go, most gamers who could even buy the 3080 would definetely not be playing on 1080p even including esport stuff
I'm wondering what price Nvidia is selling these to the AIB partners. MSI's website shows about 100$ above MSRP. EVGA is the same. So all of these retailers like Newegg, Microcenter, Amazon are doubling the prices and price gouging the consumers. They didn't pay $1200 for the GPUS. Retail price markup is supposed to be 35% on average. NOT 200%. Why isn't the Federal Trade Commission doing their job. The FTC made the memory manufacturers pay millions and millions in fines for price gouging the market. I guess they have an excuse to do it with Corona? When will the pitchforks come out? It's time for it to stop. Everything is being price gouged and it doesn't cost that much more to produce the products. Like wood products, they nearly doubled last week here in the U.S. It's ridiculous.
Ive noticed that 3080s, 3080tis etc have been in stock for a while now and of course the prices are criminal. Maybe people arent buying them which is why theyre in stock all the time
So glad I sold my 5700XT for a ridiculous amount and got the 6900XT for 699 out of pocket. 3080s and 3090s were WAY out of reach at the time I was looking. Love this card.
@@creepjack01 I'd do it, man. It felt freaking good to actually use this f*cked up market situation to my advantage, for a change. Like, if I hadn't sold for the price that I did, I'd never have a top-tier card. I was fortunate too, that I sold it less than 3 days after I listed, and that was right when B&H got batches of the Merc 319 Black for $1699. So, I sold and bought the same day, and got the new card the next day, and shipped my 5700XT the following day.
Smart consumers will say: "Buy the product that works for you, ignore branding, neither of these companies are your friends." And they're correct. But every time Nvidia does stupid, greedy shit like this, it just makes me want to go with AMD for my GPU and recommend AMD to other people. Here's hoping Alchemist is good.
This year I switched from geforce to radeon after years and never going back. Drivers and software is on another level and no more bugs with video recording and screenshots.
If AMD would beef up the streaming encoder, I’d go with them and never look back and start putting them in more builds for people who say “I might stream one day”, even though they never do.
Just woke up to catch this and thank you for that!!! I watched the live stream the night before last and I just can not buy any nvidia product. I had to walk away from them just on the cash grab that started after 1080 series. Jenson wanted to double his profits even though they were holding 80-85% of the video card industry and that was not enough. You know it just burned his ass when he saw brick and mortar stores selling his cards at double or triple MSRP. He ran into marketing and then R&D and stuffed ray tracing onto 2080 series and used it to bump up the MRSP. Everyone then justified the price grab and from there the rest of the industry saw how sheep will pay for anything! What really sucks is I have been only been building systems since 2010 and really feel sorry for all of those future builders will never enjoy building a computer system. I blame this on the absolute stupid prices on video cards. I can only hope for two things that gamers/builders stop buying people stop buying nvidia until they lose our industry. Let them go to miners, the real new market for nvidia. So when miners go away nvidia has lots of high price stock they will have to reduce MSRP. The second is there is plenty of room for the other two video card vendors that have the opportunity to take more market share away from nvidia with normal MSRP pricing and stock or they too will end PC gaming and force everyone to go to consoles. Not knocking consoles, it is a good place to start. I just want pricing back in scale with the market so there is plenty of profit for all and not the green pig in the room.
I've been unable to buy nVidia since the Geforce 5 FX series of the early 2000s... those things were appalling in performance compared to the GF4, and horrendously expensive for what one got. That was the last nVidia card I bought, an FX 5700. Or was it a 58? Can't recall, all I remember was slotting it into my rig, firing it up, and thinking "I traded my good GF4 4600 in on this garbage? WTF? This was supposed to be an UPgrade!" I built systems from around 2002 to 2010, and since '03 or '04 every system I built for a client with an nVidia card in it made me feel like taking a good long shower. In acid.
@@UltraLord5850 Dude what? 5% is totally a valid performance tier!... That's what all the Intel boys told me when Ryzen 3000 came close at least... so it must be true!
shameless is the right word. I mean, sure Nvidia does this all the time, but at least there was the pretense of some sort of conscientious product improvement by putting in suffixes like "Ti" or "Super" - they're not even bothering to pretend now.
No, 3070 was the 3080 until Nvidia heard what AMD had in store. That is the reason why 3080 uses a very cut down big die chip with higher bus width too. This is common sense by now. 2080 Super was a smaller chip just like 1080 and 980. 3080 uses a big chip like 1080 Ti, 2080 Ti
@@Dr.WhetFarts Big chip and still Cuda cores are missing and a memory module is missing with lower bitrate. Paired with a inflated prices I guess I will not buy a gpu for another 2 years.
I have a theory that nvidia will discontinue the 10gb model and produce this from now on to reset the "MSRP" for the 3080. A bit too greedy if you ask me.
Wow I'm actually baffled that this card is even more expensive in Germany than it is in Australia. I always thought you guys had it worst due to the shipping cost.
@@unitybeing777 We don't have alienware prebuilts here lmao. The only alienware stuff that is available is monitors, which I already have an alienware monitor. The normal dell prebuilts are junk...
Thank you for sticking it to Nvidia. I recently received a survey from them in an email and told them I'd buy an AMD card out of spite against their company because of all these moves. Don't get me wrong, AMD is not much better- but they certainly are better overall at the moment. It's a very sad time for genuine gamers right now.
Starting to feel that the original 3080 with its 699 MSRP basically became a bait and switch card once NVIDIA realized that AMD was not able to produce anywhere near enough Big Navi to challenge there high end market share.
I mean, 2000-gen was priced way higher and people suspected nvidia was announcing 3000-gen more in line of 1000-gen price-wise because of AMD as competitor. Would make sense to cash in on the prices nowadays. Still makes me sad and i won't buy these cards at those prices out of principle. Disgusting that people are so greedy...
Resizable Bar works on models such as the 2700X with no issues (where it works). If anything, you should do a test between different CPUs and see how much of a difference the BAR is on a 2700x vs a 5800x or any other CPU in the middle.
The video cards are mostly available everywhere but when you walk into a computer shop in Canada where i live to purchase a video card, you will only see 1 or 2 on the shelf. I spoke to one employee at one of our local computer shops in Canada and i was told that they had so many video cards in the back and will not bring it out and put it on the shelf because they still want to show customers that there is still video card shortage so they can charge higher price than MSRP. Even local shops are scalping customers and when i called them out on it that you guys are scalping customers, the employee said to me that if we sell it at MSRP then the customer who purchased the video card from us will just turn around and scalp others so might as well we charge the same price as the scalpers do. There should be a law in place where computer stores can't do shit like this honestly. This whole shortage on video cards i believe was the case like last year but now not so much and the shops are taking advantage of people by pretending that there is a shortage so they can scalp as well.
Make sure your 2080ti like mine has an aggressive fan curve - keep idle temps low and start fan speeds early and try maintain temps at +65c. Good luck.
@@unitybeing777 Don't worry it's water cooled and doesn't ever touch 60, not even the vram. Going to undervolt as well though, so temps should be even lower 👌🏽
The way computer stores are jacking up the prices makes me happy I switched to console. Despite the shortages, their price remains constant. Plus I get to game at 4k 60fps on newer titles. Compare that with spending 2k just for a gpu capable of 4k gaming, when i spent 500 bucks. Its a no brainer imo.
I found an old order in my PCCG account from bit over 12 years ago and I paid $408 AUD for the 2nd best nvidia card at the time, 9800GTX and I bought 2 of them. Back then high end CPUs were many times the price of top end GPUs. So weird seeing it the other way. Even with inflation consumer grade desktop CPUs have come down in price.
Semi related question. I'm looking to have a gaming PC built. I don't plan on playing a LOT of graphically intense games, but want to do a few. Kena: Bridge Of Spirits is one. Skyrim, with graphics mods to make landscape and towns much better looking. Zelda: Breath of the Wild. Other open type games as well. My question is,...would the 3080Ti be something I would want to consider over the 3080? The cost is ~$700 more. Just wondering if it would be worth the extra. And as an even more side note,....would I [then] really need to spend for the 3090? Thanks for the input.
The MSI Suprim X 3080 12 GB is an absolute bloody amazing card. And I quote "In return, you'll gain more performance, bringing the series very close to 3080 Ti performance levels, and even passing it every now and then" according to The Guru of 3D review - 1/12/2022. And there are others. My Gigabyte 3080 AORUS Master bricked it, so under warranty I replaced with a 3080 12GB and it's great. The moral to the story - don't buy a Gigabyte GPU. I've had 4 in the past 6 years and 3 have been replaced due to faults.
All this pandemic/ chip shortage has done is teach GPU manufacturers exactly how much the market is willing to pay for GPUs. Unless Intel breaks rank over this when they launch their new products, this is the "new normal". :|
This is the same Intel that refused to provide more than 4 cores on desktop platform until AMD forced them to and continued to release the same shit with minimal performance improvement for ever increasing prices, there's no way they're going to be our saviour!
We don't have to conform with their "new normal" all they care about is money and if we simply refuse to buy their products they will very quickly lower their prices. It's basically like choking them, problem is getting all people to be in on it and not jump ship
@@NoodleVerse Yep, GTX 1060 is still the most common GPU on steam 5 1/2 years later. People are voting with their wallets, and they're saying they'll stay put until something is worth buying at $250 or below
The *ONLY* purpose for an RTX 3080 to have more than 10GB of vram is for 4K settings set with extremely high settings. But even then, the difference would be negligible. This is definitely a sneaky way to rob consumers.
Absolutely. I couldn't agree more. My 3080 doesn't come anywhere near using all of it's 10GB at 1440p in AAA titles with ULTRA settings. AA on 2x MSAA.
I'm in a phaze I really don't get excited by refrigirator sized gpu cards. Wake me up when they come up with powerful gpus which won't suffocate pc case airflow with these walls and will consume reasonable power without melting if fans stop spinning.
quick question, on the rasterization comparison you keep mentioning 6800xt but I see 6600xt instead is this an error in the chart or am I missing something?? goes without saying but, thanks for the great content as usual!
Even as a "money grab" companies are shooting themselves in the foot. In the short run it will work, no question. But in the long run, they are killing PC gaming industry. If this goes on just for another 3 years then what will happen? Many people on RX5700 or RTX2070 and below will not be able to play newest games as they will be developed with PS5 in mind. If new cards cost such ridiculous amounts, majority will either migrate to consoles or just give up gaming altogether because their PCs can't run newest titles. Without solid PC gamer base with higher end GPUs, there is no incentive for game developers to push graphics of their game further. Without games requiring better GPUs, no one will need newer GPUs and better consoles.
I'd say "bingo," but consoles advanced by generation before PC gaming was much of anything. I don't think hardware makers are trying to kill PC gaming, but I think some don't care if it dies (AMD for example make money either way).
@@nimrodery businesses are required to function on a capitalist mode of production. That is to say, there are no ethics besides the requirement for profit above all else. It's money above people, just like a sociopath. It's not exactly the fault of Nvidia. They're just playing by the rules.
I mean, gaming laptops will likely provide a solid alternative. With pascal, laptop and desktop gpu's were pretty close in performance (only a few fps apart) and even back then represented good value. Infact the laptop 3060 already performs like a rtx 2060 super to rtx 2070 super (depends on tdp) and costs 1000 to 1300 euros/pounds/dollars which, if you add up their monitor, keyboard, etc. is pretty solid value. So assuming you wait until next generation, who knows, maybe the xx60 class on laptops will hit rtx 2080ti performance or be very close to it. I mean the rx6800m on laptops is already within 10% of a desktop 6700xt and its solid value too.
Thank you nvidia for destroying my hopes in ever building my own pc for friends or myself in the future. I will exclusively stick with team Red if I ever do in the future or if I stick with the prebuilt option
The thing is when next gen hits, miners will sell off all the stock, just where the market price will land for 3080's 6800's etc in 2nd hand market who knows. That will depend on next Gen Pricing.
You know what, I'm done I will stick with my GTX 1080 literally using the new image scaling even if it looks ugly I will stick with it. Cant be bothered anymore to pay a higher price for the same product with a different name in a different year. GG Nvidia well played!
GTX 1080 and RTX 3080 are most definitely not the same product. Also, I don't know how powerful of a GPU you need, but if you're planning to suffer playing games at ugly settings for another few years just to save a bit of money, ask yourself if it's really worth it. Sometimes it's better to just pay the higher price and enjoy it. If you're like most people, you will only have to do it every 3 years, cause that's how often people hold onto their GPU on average.
Thanks, @@user-eu5ol7mx8y I know they are not the same, think about it why would I comment on a hardware review channel if said product is not obtainable unless you pay a price that far out weight a car or rent for some people. That's why I said I was over NVIDIA the relation ship that they have created for the consumer ("Gamer's") to obtain that product has diminished significantly. I'm trying to show that frustration that most gamer's are facing at this point forward. To be honest I will hold my GPU till the DDR5 gets more implemented in motherboards and also CPU's.......Then I will upgrade but not now? (2 years, now is a bad investment)
@@zaroka1316 Depends on your situation. If your GPU is still good enough, then waiting is better. I however needed an upgrade badly, both because of gaming and 3D rendering, which is a hobby I intended to enjoy during extended lockdowns, so even though I paid a really stupid price for my 3060 ti, it stil felt like it was worth it in my case given the circumstances.
So, 6800xt and 3080 12gb are pretty much similar unless, raytracing is active where NVidia would win OR SAM is enabled where Radeon would just win overall in rasterization. imo Radeon won mainly because I don't use raytracing or dlss.
@G Money hmm, seems weird, most games usually gain a performance boost especially with radeon gpus and if they don't then its a very minimal fps drop(1-3 fps). However I have heard that it depends on the user's components such as the gpu, cpu and maybe even the motherboard and firmware/software. But most of the time it should be providing more performance and if its not then that's a big RIP.
@G Money I'm on a 5800X+6800XT combo and SAM was turned on once and never looked at again. I'm not seeing any regression in performance with the games I play.
I notice that the clockspeed is 85mhz higher than it was in your original 3080 review with the founders edition, even downclocked, the suprim x will still boost higher, I'd say that would explain the slightly higher than expected performance.
@@Hardwareunboxed okay, but you did say the suprim x gigabyte 3080 has been down clocked to the official specification. Sorry, not wanting to argue, and really appreciative of all the work you do, was just clarifying that bit.
It's very simple. The card was downclocked for the performance benchmarks representing the RTX 3080 12GB. Then run stock for the temp tests looking at how the Suprim X performs.
As GPUs get more powerful, will 1080p testing become obsolete? Just like how nobody tests games at 720p (not sure if people did do that in the past), would GPUs in the future be so good that games at 1080p would produce similar FPS for future GPUs? From this video, 1080p test results seem to be less useful, so maybe future GPUs would produce similar results too?
No because it's still the most effective way of determining what the min/max frame rates that a cpu is capable of. Most people like myself buy a cpu and board for at least 2 generations of gpu on a 3-5 year cycle. You need to know if the cpu is capable of supporting a higher end card 2-3 years down the line without severely bottlenecking the improved performance of a better gpu. Your min/max frame rates at 1080p will also be your frame rates at higher resolutions if it's hitting a cpu bottleneck first. I have a ryzen 3600 + a 5700xt. A perfect match performance wise. If I were to upgrade to something like a 6800xt which has nearly double the performance I would also have to upgrade the cpu to a 5800x as the 3600 would bottleneck anything faster than a 5700xt. Even the 5800x is the bottleneck in some games with a high end gpu.
Consoles with all their walled gardens doesn't feel a bad choice considering the current circumstances. At least Microsoft isn't blatently ripping you off. Sad times.
Great video, one note I saw was that on the RT comparison charts some incorrectly reference the 6600XT when you are speaking about the 6800XT. Keep up the great work!
Which one do you guys prefer if you have a chance to order these two cards with nearly same price "Asus ROG Strix RTX 3080 OC 12GB" or "Asus TUF RTX 3080 Ti OC 12GB" ?
This is just replacing the 3080 and coming in at a much higher price as mentioned here. its just resetting MSRP pricing to be at the previous scalper levels. So disappointing.
The sillyness over testing Resizable BAR just seems....Silly. AMD has a hardware advantage and some specific games benefit from it. That's exactly the same situation that Nvidia's raytracing and DLSS have. Does this mean nobody should test raytracing and DLSS, because it's not fair to AMD? Of course not. The customer wants to know what the hardware can do if fully utilized, not, what can the hardware do if it's only allowed to use features that every game and every system will support.
The OG 3080 is 15 or 20 % stronger than a 2080 ti.. which was released in 2018 with 11gb.. to me it seemed to make perfect sense that this card should have started with 12gb. Although.. we all know the difficulty in memory segmentation. Should they have used 2gb modules and make it 20gb? Maybe.. 12 mem chips is a lot. Bottom line.. NV needed to provide better value no matter what issues the memory bus has. Perhaps a 12gb and a 20gb model for the consumer to decide if they need a little more bandwidth or gobs of vram.
The PCB for the full Ga102 cores has 12 slots for memory. The original 3080 has 2 empty slots, this version just has those occupied by additional 1gb VRAM chips. So no you wont end up with different bandwidth for any of portion of the vram like on the 970
the 3080 10GB had 2 RAM Mounts left Blank during production so they have just filled those & as it is the same Die as the 3080Ti & 3090 the Die there are enough Memory Channels to communicate with 12 RAM Chips, giving the Improved Memory Bus Width to match the Ti & 90
If you read the fine print on the box is explicitly states " Lube is recommended but not included. Severe rectal damage will occur if this is ignored. "
I've already waited this long and made do with my GTX 1080, so at this point, I may just as well just save the money and wait til they release the 4000 - series cards.
What I fucking hate about this, is that idiots are gonna use this as "proof" that higher VRAM would result in higher frame rate performance even in mid/low-end GPUs, while completely ignoring the core count and memory bandwidth increase.
are the graphs comapring RT on and off accurate? im wondering if you are comparing the 3080 to the RX 6600 XT. i think you mean 6800 XT if im not mistaken. just got me a little confused there. thanks for the video. much appreciated. :) just confirmed. you mention the 6800XT but the graph says 6600XT. you continue this througout the RT section
More than likely, the 10GB model is being discontinued to reset the "MSRP" of the 3080. As rumours have suggested, this is just Nvida throwing partners and consumers under the bus.
Exactly my thoughts. Imagine all people in queue for 1+ year waiting their 3080 at MSRP or around it and getting an email saying "hey, your product has been discontinued, sorry for waiting, there is now this '+100% price increase 3080 12GB' if you wish".
Yup. Some people were surprised the 3080 MSRP was maintained compared to the 2080, and not increased, but here they're just upping it, to set the mood for the next gen which I'm guessing will increase MSRP across the board. It's crazy there isn't even an MSRP. Nvidia isn't even trying to hide it's price gouging tactics. Regardless of the current state of the market, and the non-existent MSRP cards, that is inexcusable and shouldn't happen.
Doubt it though, from what I heard the 10GB model is still being produced but they are all LHR now - and the MSRP is effectively "reset" already regardless (at least from my place, they are retailed at basically twice the price of the original model)
Nvidia have consumer ? Their main partner is miner and scalpers deal with it
That's not the case, the 10GB model and the 12Gb model will co-exist Nvidia has stated it. This little conspiracy theory has no logic as the 3080 10GB cannot be found "at anything like" MSRP.
Thank you Hardware Unboxed for taking the side with us, customers! You and a few channels out there call out companies for their shady practices.
They don't care about you, nor are they taking your side. They themselves are simply cash-grabbing in the same way Nvidia is by playing the moral heroes. I mean, why even look at Nvidia products after you've essentially been blackballed by them? Because the said videos bring Hardware Unboxed money. That's pretty shady istelf.
@@icanmakeeverythingilovedie9861 Nice try
@@icanmakeeverythingilovedie9861 What drugs are you on? (asking for a friend)
@@icanmakeeverythingilovedie9861 The fuck are you on about? Plenty of other UA-camrs have spoken out against Nvidia and other brands in the past the same way HWU has.
Also, their job is literally to make videos about the industry. How is it shady? Would your rather them not mentioning shit like this at all and just staying quiet when big brands try to pull crap like this? If anything, them speaking out against big brands and refusing to be bribed is a sign that they're on the customer's side. Otherwise they would've taken the money and stayed quiet.
@@icanmakeeverythingilovedie9861 what? They’re covering Nvidia products and that’s what the audience is here for mainly they also got bills food house electric water gas clothes kids maybe to care of course they need money but them exposing nvidia instead of staying quite is something you not making any sense basically that’s every platform every job what you’re talking about and they’re job is to report the product and data themselves they don’t have to talk about nvidia shady practices but they care about the audience
Here in NZ I bought my original 3080 on launch day for $1550NZ. Checking today this new 12GB 3080 is going for around $2800NZ. Absolutely nuts. I feel sorry for anyone trying to get into the PC gaming world today!
In nz also, paid the same.
Madness how much people are getting shafted, the crazy thing is when we got our cards they were overpriced then but now it's just Madness 😠
@@scamfighter2297 To be fair I ended up selling my original 3080 and got a 3080Ti instead. Even when I bought that it was just under $2100NZ. The prices of this new 3080 12GB make that 3080ti purchase look like a genius decision. Urgh.
well, theres nothing to feel bad for though, this years ganereleases are pretty bad, its mostly corridor runners shooting zombies or mmos or lame platforming games. Its really bad when it comes to pc games. Besides i never buy games on release and always wait 1 year. so ill wait till next year. And if i can i will try and not support nvidia.
I have actually given up on building a pc
@@lvmarv1 Not really genius, the 3080 Ti doesn’t offer that big of a performance jump lmao
The fact that some people are still waiting for a 3080 they ordered at the original price. And Nvidia decides to release this instead of honouring those purchases is pretty disgusting
borderline illegal in Australia (taking orders with no intention of filling them), not that our useless regulator will do anything about it.
i think people should start Suing :)
I'm not sure that's really fair. Correct me if I'm wrong but Nvidia don't sell to the public do they? So anyone with an outstanding order has placed it with a vendor that didn't have the cards to sell.
@@JonnoHR31 Probably can't take that against NVIDIA as NVIDIA sells to AIBs, AIBs sell to users.
🤑🤑🤑
Only a few channels out there have what it takes to stand up to Nvidia’s BS. Thank you HUB for being one of them. Many channels out there are nvidias lackeys and go along with all of this
Is it Nvidia's BS though? They have every right to get full value of their product. And legitimate users are buying this at their prices. There is nothing immoral about this. Asking them to sell their cards for less than they are worth is the greedy action here. Does it suck? Sure. Is Nvidia bad? No. They have every moral obligation to getting full value.
@@Wylie288 quit defending this shit. Nvidia holding back drivers until review time is bull shit and you know it
Availability doesn’t seem to be so much of an issue currently but the price gouging still is!
same coin, different sides
Yep, I see they are available as I guess anyone who could afford to be scalped by retailers already did so.
True... A lot of 3080/90s are available in Germany, for a high price lol
But that's often the beginning of an price drop, you know production meets demand first, then the price I coming down.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if supply for all GPU's went back to normal but prices remained inflated
If nobody can buy it at those prices it doesn't matter if they have 10 cards or 1000 cards
I remember when this gpu generation was announced, and I were surprised Nvidia didn't try to push the 3090 to that sweet $2000 msrp. If only we knew...
My biggest regret is not getting a 5700XT for $400 or a used 2080 variant for $600
@@user-fo1nk3pd1t a 5700 xt can easily sell for 1k now because it's a mining beast lol. Weird times we're living in.
@@user-fo1nk3pd1t yeah, screw all the reviewers that told us to wait for the RTX 3000 series! (this is of course a joke because no one could foresee all this). Well, at least my 1060 is still hanging in there lol
the 3080, 70 and 90 had better profit returns than bitcoin and s&p 500 combined
@@KingOfMelos at least you have a 1060 I'm still using a 970.
The 3080 should of been a 12gb card from day one.
I made the mistake and bought one, some games max out the 10 gb easily... a high end card that cannot run every game on max settings? Wish I went for AMD instead
@@penedrador I run 4k max settings on a LG BX OLED 120hz. My 6900xt regularly calls for over 12gb too. That was my issue with the 3000 series. Nvidia are a generation behind on vram capacity. AMD went 8gb on the R9 390/X and Nvidia took til the 1000 series to get to that milestone. It wasn't such an issue at the time, but really is now!
@@penedrador what games cant run max settings? ive never had a single issue with my 3080 plus some games will just request as much ram as it can.
@@penedrador Does it really impact performance though. To see if that's the case you can lower textures (impact VRAM usage heavily without too much impact on raster perf), and see if you get a performance boost. It's often just an allocation thing, without a real impact.
@@penedrador , max out 10GB easily? I imagine you are playing the most demanding games with ray tracing and at 4k only? There is no way you could be bottlenecked and maxed out by 10GB at 1080p or 1440p even at Ultra settings.
Absolutely insane! To see people even consider this product at those elevated prices and for such a modest fps increase. It is unfortunate that folks have now run out and scooped up these things...somehow believing they got a bargain over the original. The reality is...they could have gotten more action by visiting their local proctologist. It would have been cheaper.
The reality is unfortunately for some people. they are forced to pick up products in this market because its either that or not have a working computer.
I honestly think that is what is going on. I think the market now is just the desperate to get something for the most part.
I know multiple individuals who have purchased at these inflated prices because simply 'they could not wait any longer'... meaning their 6-7-8 year old GPU died.
And it was either purchase at insane markups. Or give up their hobby for the foreseeable future. So when your staring down the barrel, what do you do?
I mean it’s a steal compared to the 3080 TI. I paid 2050 bucks for my EVGA FTW 3 3080TI
If you have the money why not because the price will not going down soon
@@Coeb005 I'm not sure I can agree.
If we look at the data. the RTX 3000 series is 18 months old at this point. GPU cycles are around 2 years now.
Meaning we should be seeing a new GPU series in 6-9 months from both Team Red and Team Green.
Team Blue has really f-ed up this generation by being so late to market and unless they have something amazing, in reality all they will do is drive down prices towards the next gen.
If I am going to be spending thousands on a decent GPU to replace what I already have. I am going to be looking for a huge uplift that will last me years.
So thus, for me I've written off this generation. I could 'afford' it if I really wanted to just eat beans and rice for awhile and then buy it.
But the reality is, I don't 'need' it. Right now the sales are going to people who 'need' it. Not want it.
And yes, I'm expecting inflated prices next gen as well. Because pent up demand is going to take years to fix with our current supply of GPU's.
I paid 890€ for my 3080, after tax adjustment and shipping since it was in France. TUF OC version so not more than 90€ off the real MSRP for such a card at launch.
Seeing people get absolutely ripped off for almost the same performance is really shitty.
The performance difference is huge! So much so, I'll happily dispose of anyone's 3080 10 GB model free of charge!
I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not.
LOL
Nice
@@CallOn84 It's completely serious, and I'd do the same as a service to the PC community.
Im running a 1440 240hz monitor, ill keep my rtx3080
Same but I'm running a 3090 service for those who intend to get a 3090ti
i say this anytime someone wants me to mention them an unbiased and trusted pc hardware youtuber, hardware unboxed and gamers nexus are on a league of their own when it comes to computer parts and comparisons
Spot on. Always my go to channels for reviews and such. The others are just entertainment.
How often does someone want you to mention an "unbiased and trusted PC hardware UA-camr" ?
@@CHRoOMAX more than you'd think
@@Ascended13 exactly
Linus?
Remember when Nvidia said this generation would simplify the model naming. That was abandoned quickly huh.
Sad to see that we are going backwards. Remember the days when for 1080p 60fps you needed like 200$ GPU ? RX 580 and GTX 1060 glory days, RIP
that's still a thing or what may sound silly the 390 from ATi r9 290X 4 GB is still a good card for 1080p, GTX 970s or 980 as well, basically anything with 4GB
is still a good option as long as the memory bus isn't crippled, like some of Nvidias cards.
Anyone atm thinking 4K gaming is the way to go, is really not smart at all as there is literally not much advantage over 1440p
1440p is an improvement over 1080p but 4 K is just a money grab nothing more, yes VR needs that high res but still is fare from perfect atm.
I just backwards in games. Playing 10 year old classics on my 5700g apu 60fps@4k... No microtransactions, no preorders, no broken launches. Modern AAA gaming is over rated.
@@GunsniperRZ8 Not sure about that, my RX 580 is struggling in new games, i always have to put many specs on low or go down to 1600x900 if i want smooth 60fps.
@@UncannySense Most of modern AAA games are overrated i agree but not all of them. For example i want to play Elden Ring and God of War soon but no chance my RX 580 can run it 60fps with good details.
you know GOD of WAR is already an older game and should run fine on the RX 580
most issue is for newer games if your CPU is like a older generation it will cause issues, as then CPU becomes aswell a bottleneck.
mostly is worse if your CPU is at 100% rather your GPU
I have one, and I'd call it a 3080 Super. I'm happy with the purchase, it is a beast. I noticed in Assasin's Creed the 4K stats are 65 for the 3080 12GB, 66 for the Ti, and 67 for the 3090. 2 fps below a 3090, yep, I'll take it.
Nvidia: There is a shortage of chips in the world.
Also Nvidia: Launches GPUs left and right.
More segmentation = more money.
And paused production in 2021.
@@MikaelKKarlsson
Word. 3 foundries went down for at least a couple of weeks last summer. When they go down, it takes about a week to get them back up.
Correction... Also Nvidia: Launches THE SAME GPU left and right.
This actually makes very good sense from a manufacturing perspective. Sucks for the consumer though. They can't produce any more chips, that's more or less a fixed value for them. But what they can do is absolutely maximize the yield utilization of that silicon by adding multiple SKUs so they aren't disabling cores if they don't have to.
It's exactly what you'd expect.
8:53 that are some impressive numbers of the RX 6600 XT. I wonder how well the RX 6800 XT would have performed ;)
Or the 6900XT
I think that’s a typo lol
Its a 6800xt
if you jump the video at that exactly that place, you'll be like wdf
@@skswag Its the 6100!
Yeah let them release GPUs at crazy prices. Also because of miners, scalpers more and more people will just switch to consoles. I hope they lose many customers.
Not going to happen, with you guys crying about these cards.
@@TheReferrer72 Not gonna happen if Nvidia keeps up the BS.
There bread and butter is not the consumer market.
Worst part about all of this is that they'll get away with this abusive behaviour, both NVIDIA and AMD, that is, their dystopian duopoly... even "low-end" GPU like RTX 3050 NVIDIA promised and announced at 250 USD for MSRP, now they're listing it on their own, first party site at 1400pln which translates to 350 USD.
Say thanks to IP laws that inhibit anyone without trillions of dollars to enter and compete in the market.
Let's hope that Intel can save the market.
because it's EU, add 23% VAT tax and some EU bullshit. Basically how this works for EU pricing: $250 "=" 250€ + 23% VAT tax = 307€ = 1400 PLN
Why make any other gpus? They can't fulfill the high end market yet still... You want a budget gpu, but if their flagship price gpus fly off the shelves, would they make anything but their most profitable product? Do you make less money at work to make your boss happy? Or do you ask for as much money as you can get?
Duopoly is a good word for it. Exactly what they have been doing. Amazing it took people 15 months to figure out that AMD and Nvidia weren't actually obeying their own "MSRPs" and instead inflating the price by 100-175% to their AIBs/Retailers who would in turn charge +175-200% for their GPUs.
15 months of people believing their lies, lmfao. This industry/market sucks if the consumers can't even tell they are being played.
Nvidia listened to the miners and their requirements and gave them what they wanted
Its June 22 and the cheapest 10gb 3080 is $750. The cheapest 12gb 3080 is $799 and the cheapest 12gb 3080ti is $1100. 12gb 3080 is a pretty good deal these days.
Now ye, but if you already have a 10GB 3080 there's no benefit to upgrading
But the temps and power draw along with that price... are fkd. Uses just as much power as a 3090 and temps are at least 10degrees hotter. All this while paying almost $200 more for a measley 2frames extra is pure stupidity... or ignorance unfortunately.
Man I sure do miss the days of $500 flagship cards.
Flagship cards used to have substantially less memory and 200W power envelopes. The current equivalent would be a 3070, and if MSRP was a real thing, it would be 500-600$ depending on your model.
The sooner you forget it and move on the better. Ain't no $500 flagship gpu ever coming back.
@@MechAdv so?
should we talk about ram sticks 30 years ago and their prices back then and compare it with ram sticks today? you would pay a house for a fucking stick if price scales equally to performance.
11-12 years ago yes but that would cost more than 600$ today
I purchased the GeForce 3 day one for $299.99.
So basically a 3080 that's not gimped with smaller memory buffer...
Gee thanks, Nvidia, how innovative!
Well if they didn't gimp the original, how could they justify the Ti model? ;)
create the problem sell the solution
@@benjaminoechsli1941 After Nv sells the 3090Ti stock(in about 5 minutes) they will announce the 4090 at 1333$ MSRP :D
Nvidia is very good at releasing slightly gimped products to later release what they should have originally at a higher price.
Agreed. The 3080 should have been 12GB to begin with and the 3080Ti should have been 16GB.
Cant wait for the rtx 3000 super series, they will definitely bring such a change to the current gpu atmosphere
might aswell call the 3080 12Gb a "super" variant
@@OMGitsmathew but then they cant release a fifth 3080 variant with almost no difference which would be a shame
You won't see any SUPER. You will see 4000 series in 6-9 months tho.
@@Dr.WhetFarts nah there gonna be an rtx 3090 ti super gtx edition
LMAOOOO
Thanks Nvidia. 3-5% increase in performance for 26% more expensive card.
More like 10% at 4K. 3080 12GB is closer to 3080 Ti than 3080.
@@Dr.WhetFarts sure, but who plays at 4k. Most gamers are just 1080p. I would buy a 3080ti instead of maybe, at best 10% more performance which is just 10fps...
@@ShadowGardenBDO 3080 for 1080p?..... at least should be targeting 1440p high refresh rate.
@@nicane-9966 don't digress. Are you really asking this?
@@ShadowGardenBDO 3080 for 1080p is a waste, 1440p +144hz is the way to go, most gamers who could even buy the 3080 would definetely not be playing on 1080p even including esport stuff
Poor MSI. To no fault of their own, they released a good product ruined by the current market and Nvidia's supply manipulation.
I'm wondering what price Nvidia is selling these to the AIB partners. MSI's website shows about 100$ above MSRP. EVGA is the same. So all of these retailers like Newegg, Microcenter, Amazon are doubling the prices and price gouging the consumers. They didn't pay $1200 for the GPUS. Retail price markup is supposed to be 35% on average. NOT 200%. Why isn't the Federal Trade Commission doing their job. The FTC made the memory manufacturers pay millions and millions in fines for price gouging the market. I guess they have an excuse to do it with Corona? When will the pitchforks come out? It's time for it to stop. Everything is being price gouged and it doesn't cost that much more to produce the products. Like wood products, they nearly doubled last week here in the U.S. It's ridiculous.
Ive noticed that 3080s, 3080tis etc have been in stock for a while now and of course the prices are criminal. Maybe people arent buying them which is why theyre in stock all the time
Yep....£200 at least over msrp. Feck that.
Because 3080 ti price doesn't give any benefit over a RTX 3070 or RTX 3080 in terms of hashrate per dollar.
@@MauriceTarantulas £200 is nothing compared to prices here lol. If I were to buy a GPU atm I would Be paying over £500 premium
@@MauriceTarantulas 200£ over MRSP is not that bad. The 3080 I bought on day one for 699 is now 1.200 at the same retailer here in Germany. Criminal
why would anyone buy them? you’re literally getting scammed at that price, no one will buy it
Let me clear this one for you - 3080 12GB is a cheaper 3080Ti for the miners. Same mining capabilities and lower price :).
Really shows what Nvidia's priorities are.
These are so very innovative and productive products that definitely are in access to anybody who wants them.
And are definitely worth buying because it is not worth playing game without RTX and definitely dont cost a fucking kidney+eye and an arm.
Ctl+C = Best innovation in gaming industry.
@@nitins3801 lol true
So glad I sold my 5700XT for a ridiculous amount and got the 6900XT for 699 out of pocket. 3080s and 3090s were WAY out of reach at the time I was looking. Love this card.
I've got a 5600 XT, been thinking about doing the same thing to make a play for a 6700 XT.
@@creepjack01 how can this be done? I don’t understand… who do you sell it to?
@@JohnSmith-cz3us 5700xt is a better miner than the 60 series GPUs. Find a miner with a newer card and negotiate.
@@JohnSmith-cz3us Try eBay.
@@creepjack01 I'd do it, man. It felt freaking good to actually use this f*cked up market situation to my advantage, for a change. Like, if I hadn't sold for the price that I did, I'd never have a top-tier card. I was fortunate too, that I sold it less than 3 days after I listed, and that was right when B&H got batches of the Merc 319 Black for $1699. So, I sold and bought the same day, and got the new card the next day, and shipped my 5700XT the following day.
Smart consumers will say: "Buy the product that works for you, ignore branding, neither of these companies are your friends."
And they're correct.
But every time Nvidia does stupid, greedy shit like this, it just makes me want to go with AMD for my GPU and recommend AMD to other people.
Here's hoping Alchemist is good.
This year I switched from geforce to radeon after years and never going back. Drivers and software is on another level and no more bugs with video recording and screenshots.
If AMD would beef up the streaming encoder, I’d go with them and never look back and start putting them in more builds for people who say “I might stream one day”, even though they never do.
@@opreax2145 I've never had a Nvidia GPU but Radeon software and drivers almost always ass
@@brah_ddah whats up with streaming encoder?
@@opreax2145 The bad quality of the drivers is actually what keep me off AMD for now.. Did they improve their software support these last few years ?
Just woke up to catch this and thank you for that!!! I watched the live stream the night before last and I just can not buy any nvidia product. I had to walk away from them just on the cash grab that started after 1080 series. Jenson wanted to double his profits even though they were holding 80-85% of the video card industry and that was not enough. You know it just burned his ass when he saw brick and mortar stores selling his cards at double or triple MSRP. He ran into marketing and then R&D and stuffed ray tracing onto 2080 series and used it to bump up the MRSP. Everyone then justified the price grab and from there the rest of the industry saw how sheep will pay for anything! What really sucks is I have been only been building systems since 2010 and really feel sorry for all of those future builders will never enjoy building a computer system. I blame this on the absolute stupid prices on video cards. I can only hope for two things that gamers/builders stop buying people stop buying nvidia until they lose our industry. Let them go to miners, the real new market for nvidia. So when miners go away nvidia has lots of high price stock they will have to reduce MSRP. The second is there is plenty of room for the other two video card vendors that have the opportunity to take more market share away from nvidia with normal MSRP pricing and stock or they too will end PC gaming and force everyone to go to consoles. Not knocking consoles, it is a good place to start. I just want pricing back in scale with the market so there is plenty of profit for all and not the green pig in the room.
I would recommend (aspiring) gamers to go the console route, too. PC gaming is effectively dead now - for non-rich Kids anyway.
I've been unable to buy nVidia since the Geforce 5 FX series of the early 2000s... those things were appalling in performance compared to the GF4, and horrendously expensive for what one got.
That was the last nVidia card I bought, an FX 5700. Or was it a 58? Can't recall, all I remember was slotting it into my rig, firing it up, and thinking "I traded my good GF4 4600 in on this garbage? WTF? This was supposed to be an UPgrade!"
I built systems from around 2002 to 2010, and since '03 or '04 every system I built for a client with an nVidia card in it made me feel like taking a good long shower. In acid.
Steve: "the 3080"
me: "OH GOD WHICH ONE 😭"
Well practically the GPUs are head to head in Performance, so it doesnt matter 🤷♂️
@@UltraLord5850 Dude what? 5% is totally a valid performance tier!... That's what all the Intel boys told me when Ryzen 3000 came close at least... so it must be true!
shameless is the right word. I mean, sure Nvidia does this all the time, but at least there was the pretense of some sort of conscientious product improvement by putting in suffixes like "Ti" or "Super" - they're not even bothering to pretend now.
This video just makes me want a AMD 6800XT even more.
It rocks, honestly. Not too bothered about RT although want to see what using DLSS would be like. Even running at 4k on games, getting good fps.
Even in AUD, these prices are absurd. Actual thievery.
just drop Nvidia as a brand. Don't touch *any* of their shit. new or used.
Australians have always paid an absurd premium for tech. Gotta wonder if/when prices will come down to non-extortionate.
I think this was the actual 3080 that we had to get in the beginning but nvidia being nvidia just sold a cut down version of it for more profit.
No, 3070 was the 3080 until Nvidia heard what AMD had in store. That is the reason why 3080 uses a very cut down big die chip with higher bus width too. This is common sense by now. 2080 Super was a smaller chip just like 1080 and 980. 3080 uses a big chip like 1080 Ti, 2080 Ti
@@Dr.WhetFarts Now that i know competition was giving results i hate miners even more.
@@Dr.WhetFarts Big chip and still Cuda cores are missing and a memory module is missing with lower bitrate. Paired with a inflated prices I guess I will not buy a gpu for another 2 years.
Nvidia is so shameless they made three 3080 series models.
maybe even 4 to 5
All the three performing within 15 fps range difference
Nothing new, look at the 2080 models. Though atleast the 2080ti was an actual step up.
@@huggarty5434 Can't wait for the 30xx SUPER cards end of year. NV is so scummy, they might actually do it...
I have a theory that nvidia will discontinue the 10gb model and produce this from now on to reset the "MSRP" for the 3080. A bit too greedy if you ask me.
Who cares. I have had 3080 from day one. It's almost 1½ years ago. 4000 series are coming in 6-9 months and I will upgrade.
@@Dr.WhetFarts for double the price compare to right now ? 🤣
@@annguyenlehoang7779It won't be. Crypto market will have crashed by then.
@@TheReferrer72 The crypto market won't crash as long as the US keeps printing money and causing inflation.
@@Dr.WhetFarts who cares ? Me ! I have a 3080 ordered on day one and still yet to show up.
"3080": Take a shot
Me: Dead drunk
Wow I'm actually baffled that this card is even more expensive in Germany than it is in Australia. I always thought you guys had it worst due to the shipping cost.
Lower taxes in Australia.
@Yuck Foutube Bruh, you serious? Also, I'm talking about VAT, which is 10% in Australia (GST) and 19% in Germany.
@@TheHalfGlassFullGuy it's true tho
@@TimberWulfIsHere I'm not sure how 10% tax is higher than 19% tax, but okay.
Remember this only happens because people keep buying Nvidia products.
True
What are they going to do, buy an AMD product?
people and miners dont belong to the same category...
@@thatguy7595 yes
I'm buying an RX 6600 XT just on principle at this point. Screw this.
Lol, i wish. My local retailers have priced the 6600 xt at 800 dollars... I literally can't afford anything above a gt 1030.
AMD threw PCIe 3 users under the bus with that card, wouldn't be as much of an issue if it was x16.
@@DarkoPetreski Try a prebuild by alienware or a gaming laptop - watch Tech Yes City!
Yea, Nvidia is so fucked up that in my country the 2060 12gb is $100 more than the 6600xt
@@unitybeing777 We don't have alienware prebuilts here lmao. The only alienware stuff that is available is monitors, which I already have an alienware monitor. The normal dell prebuilts are junk...
I dream of one day, the consumer, will hold the manufacturers responsible for their b**lshit.
the only thing you can do to "punish" is to buy AMD...
customer*
Thank you for sticking it to Nvidia. I recently received a survey from them in an email and told them I'd buy an AMD card out of spite against their company because of all these moves.
Don't get me wrong, AMD is not much better- but they certainly are better overall at the moment. It's a very sad time for genuine gamers right now.
The 3080 12GB is selling for 800 USD more than the 3080 10GB here in Japan (2000 vs 1200 USD). That’s more expensive that the 3080Ti!
That's because it boasts similar mining performance but at a lower power usage.
@@FlakAttack0 everyone that mines can be liquidated for all I care!
I bought mine for $775 usd
@@ravenwda007 Yeah since I wrote that comment prices have crashed, lol.
Can't wait for the 3080 Super.
Now they can finally phase out the OG 3080 and just sell the even more overpriced SKUs for the GA102 die.
Starting to feel that the original 3080 with its 699 MSRP basically became a bait and switch card once NVIDIA realized that AMD was not able to produce anywhere near enough Big Navi to challenge there high end market share.
I mean, 2000-gen was priced way higher and people suspected nvidia was announcing 3000-gen more in line of 1000-gen price-wise because of AMD as competitor. Would make sense to cash in on the prices nowadays.
Still makes me sad and i won't buy these cards at those prices out of principle. Disgusting that people are so greedy...
Resizable Bar works on models such as the 2700X with no issues (where it works). If anything, you should do a test between different CPUs and see how much of a difference the BAR is on a 2700x vs a 5800x or any other CPU in the middle.
There is still 2% gap between 3080 12GB and 3080Ti. Let's release a 3080 Super!
Finally we have a model name for the 3080 20 gb that was rumored last year
The video cards are mostly available everywhere but when you walk into a computer shop in Canada where i live to purchase a video card, you will only see 1 or 2 on the shelf. I spoke to one employee at one of our local computer shops in Canada and i was told that they had so many video cards in the back and will not bring it out and put it on the shelf because they still want to show customers that there is still video card shortage so they can charge higher price than MSRP. Even local shops are scalping customers and when i called them out on it that you guys are scalping customers, the employee said to me that if we sell it at MSRP then the customer who purchased the video card from us will just turn around and scalp others so might as well we charge the same price as the scalpers do. There should be a law in place where computer stores can't do shit like this honestly. This whole shortage on video cards i believe was the case like last year but now not so much and the shops are taking advantage of people by pretending that there is a shortage so they can scalp as well.
I will literally grind my 2080 Ti until it returns to being sand, once that happens I will be hopefully able to buy AMD or Intel.
Should last you the next 2 to 3 years. By then hopefully the GPU crisis is over.
Make sure your 2080ti like mine has an aggressive fan curve - keep idle temps low and start fan speeds early and try maintain temps at +65c. Good luck.
@@unitybeing777 Don't worry it's water cooled and doesn't ever touch 60, not even the vram. Going to undervolt as well though, so temps should be even lower 👌🏽
Im so happy i got my 3080 FE in Oct 2020 at £649, seems to be the best bang for buck and everything now is way over inflated and not worth the money
Why raytracing is compared between RTX 3080 and 6600 XT?
Now that prices have come down, this card is looking very appealing....
It feels like something is missing with this GPU. Something I think a GeForce RTX 3080 Super TI 20GB Founders Edition would fix.
Wait 6 months :)
Don't you fucking give them any more cute ideas! :P
The way computer stores are jacking up the prices makes me happy I switched to console. Despite the shortages, their price remains constant. Plus I get to game at 4k 60fps on newer titles. Compare that with spending 2k just for a gpu capable of 4k gaming, when i spent 500 bucks. Its a no brainer imo.
I found an old order in my PCCG account from bit over 12 years ago and I paid $408 AUD for the 2nd best nvidia card at the time, 9800GTX and I bought 2 of them. Back then high end CPUs were many times the price of top end GPUs. So weird seeing it the other way. Even with inflation consumer grade desktop CPUs have come down in price.
Semi related question. I'm looking to have a gaming PC built. I don't plan on playing a LOT of graphically intense games, but want to do a few. Kena: Bridge Of Spirits is one. Skyrim, with graphics mods to make landscape and towns much better looking. Zelda: Breath of the Wild. Other open type games as well.
My question is,...would the 3080Ti be something I would want to consider over the 3080? The cost is ~$700 more. Just wondering if it would be worth the extra.
And as an even more side note,....would I [then] really need to spend for the 3090?
Thanks for the input.
The MSI Suprim X 3080 12 GB is an absolute bloody amazing card. And I quote "In return, you'll gain more performance, bringing the series very close to 3080 Ti performance levels, and even passing it every now and then" according to The Guru of 3D review - 1/12/2022. And there are others. My Gigabyte 3080 AORUS Master bricked it, so under warranty I replaced with a 3080 12GB and it's great. The moral to the story - don't buy a Gigabyte GPU. I've had 4 in the past 6 years and 3 have been replaced due to faults.
All this pandemic/ chip shortage has done is teach GPU manufacturers exactly how much the market is willing to pay for GPUs. Unless Intel breaks rank over this when they launch their new products, this is the "new normal". :|
Sad part is intel has no reason not to milk us too
This is the same Intel that refused to provide more than 4 cores on desktop platform until AMD forced them to and continued to release the same shit with minimal performance improvement for ever increasing prices, there's no way they're going to be our saviour!
We don't have to conform with their "new normal" all they care about is money and if we simply refuse to buy their products they will very quickly lower their prices. It's basically like choking them, problem is getting all people to be in on it and not jump ship
@@FilthyGopher I would make it impossible to mine on certain GPUs that is the only fix, using a gaming GPU to mins isn't what it's meant for.
@@NoodleVerse Yep, GTX 1060 is still the most common GPU on steam 5 1/2 years later. People are voting with their wallets, and they're saying they'll stay put until something is worth buying at $250 or below
Buying my RX 6800 XT back when it was available at pretty much MSRP just looks better and better as time goes by.
The *ONLY* purpose for an RTX 3080 to have more than 10GB of vram is for 4K settings set with extremely high settings. But even then, the difference would be negligible. This is definitely a sneaky way to rob consumers.
Absolutely. I couldn't agree more. My 3080 doesn't come anywhere near using all of it's 10GB at 1440p in AAA titles with ULTRA settings. AA on 2x MSAA.
I'm in a phaze I really don't get excited by refrigirator sized gpu cards. Wake me up when they come up with powerful gpus which won't suffocate pc case airflow with these walls and will consume reasonable power without melting if fans stop spinning.
quick question, on the rasterization comparison you keep mentioning 6800xt but I see 6600xt instead is this an error in the chart or am I missing something??
goes without saying but, thanks for the great content as usual!
Even as a "money grab" companies are shooting themselves in the foot. In the short run it will work, no question. But in the long run, they are killing PC gaming industry. If this goes on just for another 3 years then what will happen? Many people on RX5700 or RTX2070 and below will not be able to play newest games as they will be developed with PS5 in mind. If new cards cost such ridiculous amounts, majority will either migrate to consoles or just give up gaming altogether because their PCs can't run newest titles. Without solid PC gamer base with higher end GPUs, there is no incentive for game developers to push graphics of their game further. Without games requiring better GPUs, no one will need newer GPUs and better consoles.
yeah Im afraid we're experiencing the beginning of the slowly death of pc gaming right now.
I'd say "bingo," but consoles advanced by generation before PC gaming was much of anything. I don't think hardware makers are trying to kill PC gaming, but I think some don't care if it dies (AMD for example make money either way).
@@nimrodery businesses are required to function on a capitalist mode of production. That is to say, there are no ethics besides the requirement for profit above all else. It's money above people, just like a sociopath. It's not exactly the fault of Nvidia. They're just playing by the rules.
Cloud gaming will rise, even tho i dislike that with a passion.
I mean, gaming laptops will likely provide a solid alternative. With pascal, laptop and desktop gpu's were pretty close in performance (only a few fps apart) and even back then represented good value. Infact the laptop 3060 already performs like a rtx 2060 super to rtx 2070 super (depends on tdp) and costs 1000 to 1300 euros/pounds/dollars which, if you add up their monitor, keyboard, etc. is pretty solid value.
So assuming you wait until next generation, who knows, maybe the xx60 class on laptops will hit rtx 2080ti performance or be very close to it. I mean the rx6800m on laptops is already within 10% of a desktop 6700xt and its solid value too.
I just got a new one for about 700$ seeing these insane price tags makes me feel more comfortable spending so much money haha
Thank you nvidia for destroying my hopes in ever building my own pc for friends or myself in the future. I will exclusively stick with team Red if I ever do in the future or if I stick with the prebuilt option
idk maybe try for a modest first build? does it really need to be the flagship card?
Nvidia doesn't owe you your happiness.
Any word on an Founders Edition model? Doubt it, since 3080FE's are still sold at the original $700 MSRP on Best Buy once every thousand years or so.
Yep, it was exactly my point when u guys were asking if you should use reBar in all future videos, I like it this way, thanks
We'll never ever see GPU on the $150-250 range, are we?
N.O.P.E. - Anyone who tells you difference is full of crap and lying to you.
"Go mine u crybaby"
The thing is when next gen hits, miners will sell off all the stock, just where the market price will land for 3080's 6800's etc in 2nd hand market who knows. That will depend on next Gen Pricing.
You know what, I'm done I will stick with my GTX 1080 literally using the new image scaling even if it looks ugly I will stick with it. Cant be bothered anymore to pay a higher price for the same product with a different name in a different year. GG Nvidia well played!
GTX 1080 and RTX 3080 are most definitely not the same product. Also, I don't know how powerful of a GPU you need, but if you're planning to suffer playing games at ugly settings for another few years just to save a bit of money, ask yourself if it's really worth it. Sometimes it's better to just pay the higher price and enjoy it. If you're like most people, you will only have to do it every 3 years, cause that's how often people hold onto their GPU on average.
@@user-eu5ol7mx8y the higher prices right now are extortionate and not worth it if the expected upgrade is every 3 years.
Thanks, @@user-eu5ol7mx8y I know they are not the same, think about it why would I comment on a hardware review channel if said product is not obtainable unless you pay a price that far out weight a car or rent for some people. That's why I said I was over NVIDIA the relation ship that they have created for the consumer ("Gamer's") to obtain that product has diminished significantly. I'm trying to show that frustration that most gamer's are facing at this point forward. To be honest I will hold my GPU till the DDR5 gets more implemented in motherboards and also CPU's.......Then I will upgrade but not now?
(2 years, now is a bad investment)
@@zaroka1316 Depends on your situation. If your GPU is still good enough, then waiting is better. I however needed an upgrade badly, both because of gaming and 3D rendering, which is a hobby I intended to enjoy during extended lockdowns, so even though I paid a really stupid price for my 3060 ti, it stil felt like it was worth it in my case given the circumstances.
So, 6800xt and 3080 12gb are pretty much similar unless, raytracing is active where NVidia would win OR SAM is enabled where Radeon would just win overall in rasterization. imo Radeon won mainly because I don't use raytracing or dlss.
yeah, pretty much equal with a slight edge for 3080 in 4k
NVidia's DLSS tech is pretty sweet though if you're into VR gaming, although only No Man's Sky has that right now.
@G Money hmm, seems weird, most games usually gain a performance boost especially with radeon gpus and if they don't then its a very minimal fps drop(1-3 fps). However I have heard that it depends on the user's components such as the gpu, cpu and maybe even the motherboard and firmware/software. But most of the time it should be providing more performance and if its not then that's a big RIP.
@G Money I'm on a 5800X+6800XT combo and SAM was turned on once and never looked at again. I'm not seeing any regression in performance with the games I play.
@@cybisz2883 It's problematic in VR because quality loss is more noticeable.
Heyo, I’m just curious, Is that a typo at 9:53 where it says it’s the the 6600 XT and not the 6800 XT like on the adjacent slides?
Is 3080 10gb undervolted and with stable 2040mhz core clock and +800mhz on memory on par with 3080 12gb stock ?
cyberpunk, 4k, 40-48 fps depending on the card (1500+ to $3000+), well...
EDIT: and that's half of the average score at 4k 7:54
For extra 3-5FPS Nvidia will charge $300-500+.
I notice that the clockspeed is 85mhz higher than it was in your original 3080 review with the founders edition, even downclocked, the suprim x will still boost higher, I'd say that would explain the slightly higher than expected performance.
As I said, that was 'out of the box' performance, not downclocked.
@@Hardwareunboxed okay, but you did say the suprim x gigabyte 3080 has been down clocked to the official specification. Sorry, not wanting to argue, and really appreciative of all the work you do, was just clarifying that bit.
It's very simple. The card was downclocked for the performance benchmarks representing the RTX 3080 12GB. Then run stock for the temp tests looking at how the Suprim X performs.
@@Hardwareunboxed okay that makes sense, thanks for clearing that up Steve.
As GPUs get more powerful, will 1080p testing become obsolete? Just like how nobody tests games at 720p (not sure if people did do that in the past), would GPUs in the future be so good that games at 1080p would produce similar FPS for future GPUs? From this video, 1080p test results seem to be less useful, so maybe future GPUs would produce similar results too?
No because it's still the most effective way of determining what the min/max frame rates that a cpu is capable of. Most people like myself buy a cpu and board for at least 2 generations of gpu on a 3-5 year cycle. You need to know if the cpu is capable of supporting a higher end card 2-3 years down the line without severely bottlenecking the improved performance of a better gpu. Your min/max frame rates at 1080p will also be your frame rates at higher resolutions if it's hitting a cpu bottleneck first. I have a ryzen 3600 + a 5700xt. A perfect match performance wise. If I were to upgrade to something like a 6800xt which has nearly double the performance I would also have to upgrade the cpu to a 5800x as the 3600 would bottleneck anything faster than a 5700xt. Even the 5800x is the bottleneck in some games with a high end gpu.
RX 6900 XT, the best vga card in the world, but how this card performance for streaming while gaming? Is it good as it for gaming only?
I honestly think the card should have originally been 12 GB. The Ti model should have had more.
Consoles with all their walled gardens doesn't feel a bad choice considering the current circumstances. At least Microsoft isn't blatently ripping you off. Sad times.
9:09 6600XT is as fast as the 3080 in rasterization? Impressive 😄
I think it's RX 6800 XT lol
Great video, one note I saw was that on the RT comparison charts some incorrectly reference the 6600XT when you are speaking about the 6800XT. Keep up the great work!
Which one do you guys prefer if you have a chance to order these two cards with nearly same price "Asus ROG Strix RTX 3080 OC 12GB" or "Asus TUF RTX 3080 Ti OC 12GB" ?
This is just replacing the 3080 and coming in at a much higher price as mentioned here. its just resetting MSRP pricing to be at the previous scalper levels. So disappointing.
Just picked one up from Newegg, $799 plus $70 discount. Gigabyte OC.
Me too but the prices has gone back up over $1k
@@AnatoleBranch Newegg started giving out games hours after I bought mine, good thing I already have doom but Tokyo wire would have been a nice bonus.
Does it still working fine? I'm about to get one from Newegg also.
The sillyness over testing Resizable BAR just seems....Silly. AMD has a hardware advantage and some specific games benefit from it. That's exactly the same situation that Nvidia's raytracing and DLSS have. Does this mean nobody should test raytracing and DLSS, because it's not fair to AMD? Of course not. The customer wants to know what the hardware can do if fully utilized, not, what can the hardware do if it's only allowed to use features that every game and every system will support.
Nice job getting all of the logos on the fans lined up on the B-Roll.
Curious if you could flash the bios to 3080 ti or 3090
The OG 3080 is 15 or 20 % stronger than a 2080 ti.. which was released in 2018 with 11gb.. to me it seemed to make perfect sense that this card should have started with 12gb. Although.. we all know the difficulty in memory segmentation. Should they have used 2gb modules and make it 20gb? Maybe.. 12 mem chips is a lot. Bottom line.. NV needed to provide better value no matter what issues the memory bus has.
Perhaps a 12gb and a 20gb model for the consumer to decide if they need a little more bandwidth or gobs of vram.
how did they adressed that memory though? i'm sure gtx970 memory shenanigans are the standart for nvidia nowadays because no one is testing that.
3080 board always had 2 blank Vram spots.
They just added the extra chips. It was inevitable.
The PCB for the full Ga102 cores has 12 slots for memory. The original 3080 has 2 empty slots, this version just has those occupied by additional 1gb VRAM chips. So no you wont end up with different bandwidth for any of portion of the vram like on the 970
the 3080 10GB had 2 RAM Mounts left Blank during production so they have just filled those & as it is the same Die as the 3080Ti & 3090 the Die there are enough Memory Channels to communicate with 12 RAM Chips, giving the Improved Memory Bus Width to match the Ti & 90
They copied mem bus from TI to 384bit width to accommodate 2 additional memory chips (12x32=384). So shouldn't be any problems like 970 had.
@@MMGuy Correct. Nvidia had to increase bus width or 12GB wouldn't work.
well this aged like milk...
If you read the fine print on the box is explicitly states " Lube is recommended but not included. Severe rectal damage will occur if this is ignored. "
I've already waited this long and made do with my GTX 1080, so at this point, I may just as well just save the money and wait til they release the 4000 - series cards.
How surprising, it performs between the 3080 and 3080ti…. And is just as unavailable
available as hot bread everywhere, if u can afford it tho
What I fucking hate about this, is that idiots are gonna use this as "proof" that higher VRAM would result in higher frame rate performance even in mid/low-end GPUs, while completely ignoring the core count and memory bandwidth increase.
That's nothing new, people will always take things out of context to fit their point. That said, the 3080 should have released with 12GB of VRAM.
This is unforgivable under any circumstances. People are not walking wallets just ready to bite at any point.
I'm done with Nvidia aka NV. Greedia.
are the graphs comapring RT on and off accurate? im wondering if you are comparing the 3080 to the RX 6600 XT. i think you mean 6800 XT if im not mistaken. just got me a little confused there. thanks for the video. much appreciated. :) just confirmed. you mention the 6800XT but the graph says 6600XT. you continue this througout the RT section
I'm looking at getting the EVGA 3080 FTW 12GB, is it worth getting at $1000? I'm currently using a EVGA 1070SC.