How to Forehand TOPSPIN / LOOP | Table Tennis / Ping Pong |Learn & Master COUNTER SPINNING to ATTACK
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- Опубліковано 17 тра 2024
- Table Tennis / Ping Pong tutorial on how to Forehand TOPSPIN / LOOP which lets you counter attack long balls. Initiates the attack and puts you on the front foot of the rally to win the point. Learn the basics and grow your confidence with this tutorial to get as consistent as humanly possible. Take your game to the next level!!
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0:00 - Thoughts
0:27 - Intro
1:20 - Thank you
1:58 - Coach Talk
4:09 - Step 1
7:26 - Step 2
9:50 - Gain confidence
10:17 - Drop & Hit
11:32 - Training targets
12:44 - Examples
13:28 - Outro
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I played 10 yrs in the PR National Team, now at 55 I am struggling with my consistency on Forehand loop, can't find the problem. I listened and watched to HUNDREDS of hours on tutorials and FINALLY, I got my answer. Your videos are very good, great camera angles , great audio and excellent presentation. Thank you so much! You made my YEAR. Diana Sosa .
Thank you so so much for your comment :) I really got shy and flustered reading this ha, but I love to hear that it creates benefits to you and others :) It really made my week! I am recovering from being unwell so it is amazing to read :)
Hey, out of interest, what was the problem and which tip the solution to making your forhand loop more consistent? :)
Hey, out of interest, what was the problem and which tip the solution to making your forhand loop more consistent? :)
these are mostly whst i would say about this and all other videos of coach Z. I am also at 55 yo and playing for fun. this kind of special shots would definitely make me feel much much better.
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Finally, a tutorial that addresses the most important component of the loop, bat and ball contact angle. Great job. Wish it was a little more details in terms of building on these principles and talking about adjusting angle based on the degree of underspin. Cheers!
Thank you :) And yeah I thought to talk about it, but to show on camera is quite hard. Was thinking using animations in the future, but in other sense I could do a special video just on that!!
@@DublinTableTennisClub Yes! You can keep it simple and Just use the paddle on a stationary ball... or you can use an iPad to draw the bat angle, direction, etc.. Most people don't understand the basics of contact point with the balll in different situations along with the bat face angle , trajectory angle, and bat speed. it's the subconscious calculation of these four factors that propels the ball forward and these four, on their own, are determined by reading the type, frequency, of the spin and speed of the incoming ball. Reading the character of the incoming ball and adjusting for these factors is the basis of consistency in the game.
Higher pace rally and higher level the shots and movement becomes more of a habit and even as reactionary. There is just not enough time to analyse it, but rather your body reacting to it due to hours on hours of practice.
That’s why you see sometimes when pro players still swing their arms as it’s just out of habit even though clearly it would miss the table from opponent.
@@DublinTableTennisClub I agree that the adjustments are all subconscious since all practice is about making the conscious unconscious and automatic. But you mentioned something that caught my eye in this video. You said that the more advanced players would mover from the 12 o'clock position for the loop to 11 and then 10 o'clock position. In order to close the racket face they will have to generate much more racket speed or the ball will hit the net, Correct? Is this how they get away with the closer racket face? You said their swing path doesn't change no matter what. They hit everything the same way. I feel if the vector of force being up and forward in combination with the racket face change the trajectory of the ball if the racket face is closed then there has to be a different swing path to make up for it... doesn't it? It's the same swing path as the forehand topspin?! It sounds counterintuitive to me. Could you please comment on that?
I heard it being said that the passing on of knowledge leads to eternity. Thanks for sharing your knowledge skills and tab tennis tips.
Thank you so much for your comment :) I really appreciate the kind words!
I watch a lot of table tennis coaching on youtube and yours is right up there at the top, explaining thigs well and I like that they are usually directed at the average player
Thank you :) That's a really nice comment!! Like now I am bigger in numbers than when I first released this, but still I always feel like a beginner in this YT coaching world.
Thanks for sharing basic techniques table tennis. I love it. Thanks.
Thanks for the comment :)
I am doing a LIVE Q&A tomorrow (Thursday) from 4:20pm Irish / UK time. Let me know if you have any questions / suggestions for me!! I’ll have a table set up so I can even demonstrate / answer TT questions :)
i love your tutorials. thank you for brilliant video !!!
Hi Paul :) Thanks for the comment! Good luck in training :)
Great reminder of basics - well done!
Yeah, hopefully it will help to sharpen up the technique and grow confidence. Then I’ll release part 2 :)
How’s your training going?
@@DublinTableTennisClub I've been working on game by playing friends at my home where I have a table tennis room about 3 days (1.5 hours each day) a week. Next week one of the rec centers is opening up so two days of the week I'll be there. I want to get up to playing 4 days a week at least 90 minutes each day - that should happen soon. I had planned to play in my 2nd tournament this last weekend but had small health issue and did not play. Next tournament for me will be in mid-July. I'll be playing in North Carolina Senior Games in September. My game is picking up nicely - I have a friend who is better than me and I'm making it tougher for him each time we play (we play once a week).
Thank you for the video, very simple and easy to understand.
Glad you liked it :)
Very nice video! Thanks a lot!
I really hope you get the best out of it :) let me know if you have any questions about it 🔥
Superb technique
Love this channels me the videos I’m just getting back into ping pong my work has a table and a few of us play and are getting back in the swing of things. I wanna learn the pro served and techniques thanks a bunch
Oh work competition can be very competitive and addictive :) If you're struggling against someone let me know and I will try to help!
That is a very helpful video thanks man
Yeah I hope it is man :) if it comes on your forehand start attacking and that’s all. It will make you grow in your confidence really well too 🏓
One of the best vids on this technique i've seen. Cheers
Honestly as tutorials go it’s my most favorite one, but also the one I thought about for a long time to film. Took me 3 efforts to get version :)
Really enjoyed your video! my slow spinny loop is getting better, all I needs are practice balls, racket and your step by step instruction. Can practice anywhere!
Glad it helped!
I just released a new video on a tactical Forehand attack that you might enjoy too :)
Thanks, very good explanation. i`ve been looking this many days
Happy to hear that!!
I just uploaded a new video so let me know your thoughts on that :)
I really appreciate your tutorials! I have to confess I sometimes find the background music is a little distracting but I’m not complaining because your lessons are TOP
Thanks and yeah I totally get what you're saying. I have to use music because my background has an echo and sometimes more extra background sound.
I definitely will improve on it in 2022 :)
Enjoyed this breakdown. Thanks from Australia
Ahh thanks Dane :) Australia is a place I always wanted to visit. How are the clubs there and the style of environment?
Thx coach!
Good luck in your training!! :)
thank you, coach Eddy for this excellent tutorial video. solo practice exercise is great, as it isn't always possible asking others to throw the ball thus or that way.
Yeah that is the case in every club in the world. It's a shame because they hinder their own development by being selfish!
Bravo coach….very useful for beginners to intermediate players….love the confidence!
Thanks 😊 I’m glad it was useful for you!! Do you have any other issues you want me to make a video about?
@@DublinTableTennisClub not at this time, thx 4 asking though
Good video
Enjoyed this no frills explanation. This for me is the holy grail, learning to take down the choppers.
Yeah open up your racket and sharp follow through. Will get them over the net more times than not :)
exclnt info!
This is the best way to learn looping .well done
Part 2 of advance looping / topspin forehand to win points will be out next week :)
I was struggling with my forehand and could never figure out where I was going wrong. Thank you Eddie for the detailed and simple explanation. Can't wait to try it out and practice looping.
I’m really glad you had so much help from this video!! Keep me updated on your progress :)
Just watched this again one year later. This is such a great video. So much to learn packed in here. Thanks again!
Really happy to read your comment mate :) Yeah the most important video I think I have ever made. There is still info left to say so maybe I should do a part 2?
Very clear and excellent explanation.
Great to hear :) Hope you pick this up in no time!!
I have watched this video I think at least 5-6 times now on different days and I'll be watchign again believe me. This simply MUST sink in. When coach here says this is the Grandaddy of all techniques....why would he say that? I trust him, and there are many subtleties to this tutorial. The angle, the start and finish, the types of incoming shots being described. I beat a spin master twice last week after trying for 5 months, SIMPLY by applying THIS lesson to his crazy spins. And I didn't even really do it right after watching again. THANK YOU COACH from Texas!!! (Family is from Ireland so I feel the connection).
Davis, good to hear from you again :)
All love to hear that! And Texas have great University table tennis standard. One of or even dare to say the best in your country!! Do you train often?
@@DublinTableTennisClub I don't have a table, but I drop hit into pillows and sheets set up to be like a table. I measured everything. I am getting a table and robot soon, but I hit everyday to get the stroke shape and the spin feel. I live near Texas Wesleyan only 15 mins away, they have world class events I will attend to see soon. I really do watch your videos to learn proper technique almost daily, so much to learn. Much appreciated! Will you ever teach any penhold techniques?
Love that dedication Davis :)
What robot are you getting? Yes, for sure go and see a few matches live. It can bring you a different perspective into training.
Regards to penhold, it could be a good idea.
@@DublinTableTennisClub I will be getting the Suz Table Tennis Robot with net. It recycles the balls and retails on Amazon for about 400USD. I am completely stoked. I'll be getting a Joola 18mm table as well, I think very nice for just practice at around 500+. Thank you so much coach for being a positive influence.
I watch a ton of videos on UA-cam but don't sub to a lot of channels to be honest. You have earned my subscription! Been thru' a few videos and I must say they are outstanding...crystal clear explanation, perfect video angles and good demonstrations! great stuff! Can I request you to do a video on how to build practice routines with a robot to practice at home? Also add the settings of the robot (frequency, oscillation, topspin, backspin) to be able to experiment and replicate on a HP-07 kinda' table tennis robot
Thank you for your comment and kind words mate :) Yeah I try my best to make every video just simple to see, but yet at the same time be detailed in the small things. As the small things are important to do so it is easier to do the certain technique.
Email me at dublinttc@gmail.com and can help you there. I do not have experience with your robot, but I do have experience in setting up drills using your robot control system :)
Thanks for your coaching 🙏
Thank you for your support :) Looks like you watched a lot of my videos :))
@@DublinTableTennisClub yeah I like your coaching...hope it's helpful for me....I need improve alot in close table attack thanks for ur reply...
Can I send you my play videos for correction with your permission.
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@@rambabum3913 yes man :) dublinttc@gmail.com with a link to your folder or attach it there :)
@@DublinTableTennisClub 😊
Thanks man!
How’s your training coming along?
It's better, but I'm not taught to wait for the ball on the forhand and that's why I'm late in the shot
You might be waiting too long? Make sure the connection of the ball and racket is more in “front” of you rather than on your “side” of your body :)
@@DublinTableTennisClub This is exactly my mistake. In order to hit the ball fast, I have to anticipate where it will come from. It seems that I still don't have the necessary experience.
Building up your confidence with consistency in training + just being a bit more mindful on it will be a great start for progress 🏓🔥
Very nice
Thank you :) Was actually super worried if I can "do" a real quality video on this topic. Most important part of the game can't be explained and showed in a poor way..
Hi, New to TT but really like the way you coach. All except the background music. I'm 78 years old and took up table tennis about 1 year ago. Unfortunately I have trouble focusing and can only focus on one thing at a time. I sure would appriciate it if I could turn off the background music. I still think you the best I've watched on you tube.
Welcome to the sport :)
Yeah I agree about the music. The main and only reason it’s there because of the echo from the empty hall / background sounds from road work at that time.
Harold, if you ever need any extra help / assistance I provide online coaching :) get in touch via dublinttc@gmail.com if you have any detailed questions!!
Very nice. Please keep making vedio of tactical skills applied while playing tournaments
Yes will do :) thank you for your feedback!! Next week video potentially is a tactical video and then part 2 of this week after :)
Don't worry; you are doing well and easy for learners to understand. Walter
Thanks Walter :) One of the most serious topics to talk and show so I was on edge about the quality even after uploading it!
Hi coach, I'm finding problems when they make me a slow topspin with a lot of loop since I don't know whether to put the shovel right away that it bounces or wait for it to hit the pot and hit it, I always end up leaving the table because of the opponent's effect It explodes when I touch the ball with the paddle, I do not know what angle to put or if to give a sharp blow etc would be good some help thanks for the videos, I hope I have explained myself and understood my problem
Hey :) Yeah I get what you mean and it's for sure a difficult response to make as each time it can be less or more spin on the ball than previous.
Is the issue on your forehand or backhand? Or both?
I could do a tutorial for you no problem, but a quick solution would be this.
1.) Bend low with your knees and keep a close eye on the ball.
2.) When the ball bounces you should have a somewhat specific distance from the ball and the racket. The distance is hard to measure for exact so easiest way is to be a full racket / or a racket and a half distance from the ball. (Hope that makes sense)
- Because when the ball moves to you after its bounce the contact will be at a height of the nets white part / just above the net which then makes your return NOT so high back and with some speed even if you do not do anything besides leaving your racket to rebound the ball.
3.) Make sure your bat angle is just a bit bit more open / wider than your technique angle. So do not apply the same angle for a block that you use to hit in the first place.
This will give you the fastest and highest probable chances to return any ball of whatever spin rotation it has. Really hope this works :) If you still struggle then film yourself and email it to dublinttc@gmail.com and I will coach you from there :) Please I insist!!
hii i am a beginer start playing 6 months ago please suggest me is it good to convert everything into topspin since i found it difficult to return different deceptive serves also if i focus only on topspin then this stroke become my most powerful stroke?
yeah in a nutshell that is what Pro players do my counter topspin the ball that comes in from the opponent each and every time.
If you need to practice to receive serves then yeah focus on this "loop" effect, but if you need to focus to win rallies then focus a balance of both POWER and SPIN and not just spin :)
Hope that makes sense!
Let me know :)
Question: Using my robot to practice this. As I increase the underspin, at some point with a heavy underspin ball, I find it impossible to keep my paddle at 12 O'Clock to return the ball back over the net. In other words, with heavy underspin, the ball always goes into the net. What should I do to get the ball over the net? I try to increase the speed of my stroke to lift the ball over the net, but no good. I open the paddle angle more, to about 1 O'clock (top of paddle tilted slightly away from the table) and that works. BUT, I feel that is an incorrect paddle angle. What to do?
Hi Tim :)
So yeah robot is a perfect way to practice the one thing that you probably lack the most and do not take this in any offense, but it is your overall strength and sharpness of your follow through. Having rotation into swing and out with contact / follow through would help as well, but in most cases its the concept of the arm / body not yet be physically ready yet.
You're right to adjust to it "1 o'clock" to make it work, but it just shows that you're lacking the physical ability. It could to some extent be your rubber as well if its worn out / old, but since you can somewhat consistently do it the more open racket way then it's not the rubber.
Try this before you use robot again.
-Get into position with your racket. Bend your knees, the non playing side shoulder rotates that it lines up with the net clip (so if you're right handed then left shoulder rotates to line up and it makes your body more open).
-Arm dropped low / straight down to your right. Can line up and be behind your knee slightly, but not forwards.
Then grip you racket with the three / as many fingers as you hold the actual blade and not the rubber. Gripping those main fingers tighter will also make your wrist bit tighter and steadier.
Then do a few practice swings / follow through shots with no ball. And as you swing up your forearm is light and flexible with only the grip being tense and no other muscle, BUT as you ABOUT to reach the racket to your head / finish the follow through so about 80% through of the follow through. Tense up your bicep muscle only while trying to keep the forearm between the bicep and wrist still loose and flexible.
--- What happens then is that your swing is free, light and flexible and upon contact with the ball you will have no issue of raising it up. Tensing up the bicep before you finish the follow through makes the speed and spin balance out and hit a counterattack against the ball. Have the robot on slow settings so the ball doesn't come to you that quickly so you can think and use these instructions.
Apologies for the long reply, but I'm confident this will work. Film yourself doing 5-8 balls and email it and I can review deeper dublinttc@gmail.com
to be fair, this type thing is difficult to advise without actually seeing your stroke. If you could upload video, you could get better feedback. reddit has good table tennis groups where plenty of people would offer advice, but again, there's no telling if it's good, applicable advice without seeing your stroke. good luck!
Eddy ... I love your tutorials; they are spot on and very helpful. However, why do you have background music? For me it is distracting, even though I can hear and understand what you are saying.
The background music is because of the roadworks, echos and background sounds. It was loud and inconsistent sounds throughout my shoot. I have invested into a mic and re-located myself to a different venue for the future :)
Hello.good day
And you too 🙂
Hello Coach Eddy, all your videos are perfect, but iam distracted by the music with the coaching that you do ,, for me its like noise ...if you could minimize that ..sorry if iam wrong..
Hey Ramesh,
I know and totally get that. I did because the background had a lot of sound so this was the best way to isolate it. If not music then you would hear construction work ha, but I will improve for future videos :)
how to make accuracy to play top spin against top spin ball received form opponent side.
1.)You have to add some level of rotation first. That way you can counter it AND most importantly control the speed and spin of the opponent shot. Do not have a tense forearm so it is free and flexible to be used in your follow through to counter the spin. Grip stays the same for the racket. With a nice follow through finish you should be able to carry the ball over the net and onto the table.
OR
2.)If you struggle with that then OPEN your racket more on contact and focus on rotation and follow through to carry the ball over the net. With open angle of racket helps you contact it better, but your follow through must be smooth.
@@DublinTableTennisClub Thanks Sir
Don't Chinese players contact the ball to the side of the body?
@6:50 levels should be
12 o' clock
1 o' clock and
2 o' clock
Rather 11 and 10 o clock
No never 1/2 o clock because that means you over do the shot. Especially when your close to the table and you give all that extra arm movement?!! You will miss the table or worse not even have any decent consistency on the technique within the rally.
Have to keep it sharp and compact with your movement. I get it if your like 5m away from the table that you could need the extra push, but again this where you body should be coming into the effect of power increase rather than arm.
13 06 2022
LOVE THAT!!! Hope you enjoyed it :)
My. U11 student's practice regularly 2 hours but they are not win the game
Have to teach them both forehand and backhand drive to its fullest potential and core. Make sure that their basic technique is very good to they can stay consistent on the table and go from there :) Multi-balls are a great exercise to use for training kids with targets and goals for each time.
Thanks sir
Svensk tröja?
Yes :) I really like STIGA and we are actually sponsored by them too in the club!! There is a link in the description where you can get it too!!
Explanation is good, but none of the videos show the movement of the ball after the ball is hit, nor is there any indication if the person serving is doing backspin or topspin. Somehow find most videos incomplete or done for convenience. Need more proof of stroke in different conditions.
Yeah I get what you’re saying. Currently at this time and the time of filming we have major restrictions for indoor sports due to Covid - 19 in Ireland so this is the best that can happen within the tutorials.
And for this exact video in theory it doesn’t matter what spin is on the ball as the technique counters it and adds topspin to the ball.
But, for sure when possible I’ll get help / extra players to assist on my tutorials. For me personally I also believe the quality will be better 🔥
@@DublinTableTennisClub Sure Sir.. That's exactly what I meant, but yet if you don't mind I also do follow a lot of other table tennis coaches and this is how coach Ti does his shoot. Don't get me wrong, but it's just to show you camera placements... ua-cam.com/video/WQ4l_s6aRgA/v-deo.html
I will definitely increase the production when I can :)
Please no music on the next video.🙂
Ah I know, it was mad background sounds when I filmed this. Had no choice :/
The coaching is great, but please, please, turn off The music!!
agree!! Had annoying echo and background sound during the shoot from roadworks. However, the future videos you will see soon on the channel will have a great sound on it.
Have a personal body mic on me :)
No need for the annoying background music
Yeah I have heard that before, but with the giant echo it works for the better. But, I’ll look into it :)
Get partner
Definitely ha :)
SIR WE NEVER LEARN BY TOO MUCH EXPLANATION WITHOUT SEEING THAT YOU ARE DOING IT. WE COULD LEARN BETTER WITHOUT TALKING JUST DO IT IN ACTION.
Haha 😂 I don’t think that everyone would agree with that.
How can you learn something if you don’t understand it. But, yeah I do agree my tutorials need more real life examples.
Gave Up.
The incessant music was too distracting and made it even more difficult to filter the accent.
Bad explaination....you forget to show...that u..1) move yr left leg to position ball alignment...2) bend right knee to 90 degree ...yr batt near the knee is correct ...yr elbow is near ball alignment too...correct bro....3) rotate as you stand up to contact ball for max grip n power 4) point of ball contact is inner hemishere( ie your side ie 7 o'clock of the ball).....just ignore me...i hv nothing better to do...just commenting...i m from a tiny country,,,malaysia
Round 4.0! Let' go!!
Your details are correct by technical point of view, but RARELY anyone ever has the standard physical abilities to even bend that low of 90 degree! If you're training to be PRO then it is a must need, but to coach the starting foundation of "loop" is not as important as other parts of the technique! There is a small debate for tall players as well as it differs for them like Samsanov / Wang Liqin had to make different approach.
Same goes for left leg as then people forget to readjust AFTER the follow through. In person for sure should be talked about, but online video it can cause bad habits for players trying to connect the follow through shot / reaction.
The ball contact / 7'o clock is spot on! That is a great tip and explanation. That one I wish I added yeah :)
LOVE LOVE YOUR COMMENTS MATE!! PLEASE DO MORE and NEVER think you're waisting my time nor yours. You have provided great insight to all the videos we chatted about :)
Hope to hear from you soon!
More do and less talk
Ha I agree, but with no partner I am limited :) I will definitely improve once we are open as normal 🔥🏓
Why the f-ing music? This is instructional, we're trying to learn something important but you deliberately create distraction. Why not conduct a poll and ask the members whether the music is a plus or minus.
HAHA deliberately? No it was the best decision due to the echo and major roadworks just right outside the building. This was and still is the best decision to do. You can see from my other videos that I have background music, but it is a lot lighter / smoother and sometimes non at all because the circumstances were different.
My new upcoming videos has a in person mic right next to me. It has shown to fix the issue and provide bolder / stronger tone to the tutorials that make it easier to understand and hear me :)
The silly music is covering your voice. This is pointless and awfully stressing. Please use a microphone closer to your mouth, so that the reverb of the room will not make your voice incomprehensible. You are talking to my ears, but I have to use my eyes to read on your lips... Sorry if I am negative, but please, do consider the sound is important if you wish to be understood, or simply by courtesy. If I take care to write to you, it is to encourage you, because you have many qualities, so you can reach perfection.
Yeah that was done on purpose because the echo of the hall and roadworks just right outside the building. It was going mental at the time so it was a tactical decision.
My future videos you will see soon have a in person mic which makes everything better / easier!! Hope it is fixed and you enjoy it!
Thanks for your comment :)
Please stop this awful, awful background music! It’s distracting, monotonous and repetitive!
I know haha mad timing of construction work outside forced me to cover even my own voice. However, future videos will have a direct mic on me so the sound should be a lot more focused and clear on me even with outside sounds in the background.
please switch off this f......g music!!!!!! please!!!!
Hahaha 🤣 ironically you wouldn’t hear me because of the outside construction work that was happening at the time of the shoot!!
I am doing a LIVE Q&A tomorrow (Thursday) from 4:20pm Irish / UK time. Let me know if you have any questions / suggestions for me!! I’ll have a table set up so I can even demonstrate / answer TT questions :)
Everything is fine. But we need to talk less and show more. Explained, showed, explained, showed...
Yeah I get that :) Thanks for the comment!!