@@tomaskroupakkfoto4132 The eCVT in Toyota hybrids is basically bulletproof, unlike all the crap belt/chain CVTs found in most 100% ICE vehicles today. Totally different type of design vs a belt/chain CVT. Also, most Toyota engines these days smartly pair both direct & port injection together, so no carbon buildup (unlike 100% direct injection).
Less genius is the compromises they had to make. Taller, less ground clearance, more black plastic, less rear seat legroom, worse driving dynamics. Just get the 2.5 S and save yourself the money.
Really smart of Mazda to go this route. It's basically a better-looking (subjectively) Rav4. It'll always sound like s*it when it's floored. People wanting the mpg boost won't care.
@@AI-qd4vb It's way less fuel efficient from the looks of the standardized tests between the rogue and rav4 hybrids. Toyota also has a series-only hybrid system but currently they are only using it in one vehicle (Raize/Rocky) and probably for cost(Far cheaper than the e-power kicks in japan) and packaging limitations
Mazda dealers are gonna try their hardest to markup the CX-50 hybrid. I don't imagine the supply of this newly released car to be any better than the RAV4
@@Unchainedmaple888 no they won’t, mazda dealers are pretty good about no markups, at least here in the Bay Area. They are a small company and don’t sell that many cars a year compared to Toyota.
I drove it when they first got one at my dealer. It really is a great blend of toyota's great hybrid powertrain and mazda's ability to not produce an absolute shitbox like the rav is. I left with a cx70.
@@thatcopenguy Inline 6. It would smoke the hybrid and by seat of the pants, easily keep up with the turbo 50. I'm at 1100 miles right now on it and it's averaged 25.7 over that time period, and that's 80% city mileage. Sure, the hybrid powertrain is a bit more geared towards sheer efficiency, but id have gotten the phev if i cared that much about MPG
@ so best selling = the best? That means the f-150 is the best truck? The iPhone is the best phone? Tesla model Y is the best EV? What a dog shit argument. Own one and see how cheap they’re made and unrefined it is for its price. Even Nissan does a better job.
Funny, Sergio Marchionne got laughed at when he said companies are going to have to share technology to build electric/hybrid cars and designing everything in house is not sustainable. Years later they are all doing it- Honda/GM, VW/Rivian. Mazda/Toyota etc
I'd rather have a few solid systems shared between cars than a million different engines where you have to search for a specific production number to know if it's reliable.
Some can, like Toyota did for decades with their HSD, which others laughed or attempted and failed in, then some licensed or bought toyota's tech. Some refused to accept Toyota's superiority in this field and made their inferior drivelines, which have never reached the reliability of the HSD.
Very intriguing partnership between these two. I'm liking what I see. It will be interesting to see how the RAV4 differentiates itself with the 6th Gen in 2026.
Mazda hybrid all day versus the Rav. CX50 has better build quality, nicer interior, far superior sound system to the JBL, and it looks better. This is the best of both worlds for a good price.
Had this been around when we got our rav4 hybrid…would have taken the CX50. The sound system is horrible in the rav and my wife tends to get car sick if I’m driving because of how much body roll/movement there is. (And that’s with me driving like a chauffeur lol) Great appliance otherwise, fuel economy is stellar for city driving.
Essentially Mazda with a Toyota motor. You get Mazda's better safety, looks and interior, and you also get Mazda's suspension (for better or for worse).
My only gripe about the CX-50 is the overly wide matte black plastic cladding around the wheels and rocker panel. Makes it look cheap. At least it’s not as bad as what Subaru did with the newest Forester and Outback. It’s what I call “Playskool Design”. (Yeah, I’m dating myself with the Playskool reference. For those of you who don’t understand the reference, they make cheap plastic toys for little kids).
I was thinking the same thing. I'll never understand why Subaru has been dragging their feet on hybrids for now...decades. Their primary demographic would fall over themselves to buy hybrids from them.
I love my 2024 CX-50 Premium. Only serious complaints: fabric seats are fraying after not even 6 months and short seat (lack of thigh support). Fun driving dynamics and enjoy the wagon-like feel.
@eleanormassaro5195 Non Turbo. Turbo way more fun, but was looking to avoid potential turbo repair bills down the road. Still drive fast, but takes a couple seconds longer. 🤣
@@derekisthematrix Oh nice, didn't know that. I think the Sequoia is essentially US only since it's based on the Tundra? I havent spent time in the US designed full size Toyota products, I bet they have proper thigh support. I'm a big but active guy with long legs, my GX is literally boxer brief deep for me. Like 2-3" past pant middle seam.
Really like the look of the CX-50, and I see it as a huge plus that it has a tried and tested, reliable Toyota hybrid system. I'd probably get it over the RAV4 and definitely take it over the CRV. I can't stand those.
@DabDabGoose True, but anywhere that snows it has benefits. Alignment points sieze up within the first 10 years of most IRS vehicles. With the beam axle, the alignment will likely stay in spec and has no adjustments to worry about.
i just HOPE and PRAY that Mazda Dealers dont try to add the "Toyota Tax" to these. cuz theres STILL Rav4 Hybrids selling for WAYYY over sticker and even used ones with 70-80k miles are for sale at like $42k like wtf??
They did something similar in Europe with the Yaris and the Mazda 2 hybrid. They probably liked how that played out so now they seem to be rolling it out across more models
CX-50 is such a handsome vehicle! I test drove both CX-5 and CX-50 back to back a couple times. I’m not thrilled about the torsion beam rear suspension compared to what Mazda CX-5 has. I wonder if Cx-50 Hybrid is any different (torsion beam rear suspension)
Does anyone know if Mazda addressed the Rav4 hybrid cablegate issue of corrosion damage ? That's the one issue I'm sure most people are worried about long-term.
I think it would be beneficial for whomever the passenger is to spend some of the drive time in the backseat and talk about the ride quality back there. It seems as if a lot of manufacturers are short changing the ride quality for back passengers. It might fit adults, but if the ride is shit, looking at you R1S, it would be good to know.
The majority of car owners rarely use the back seats. But I'm sure if you're someone who uses them all the time, seat comfort would be of a higher importance.
It is crashy. This is the main difference between the cx50 and cx5, besides the look. The cx50 has a non multilink rear suspension and that results in a noticeable decrease in smoothness while traveling in a straight line.
My only question is how long Mazda will build this in this configuration (i.e. will they switch to a fully Mazda powertrain?). As long as it's projected to be around for a similar timeframe to the CX-5, it should be OK...but when you hear about the horror stories with parts on the Pontiac Vibe, which was literally a rebadged Toyota Matrix, it casts a little bit of doubt into parts warranty coverage and availability.
@aprtur interesting take, I get you, I don't see that as a problem with production of Toyota numbers vs then, my thing is I hope that the cx5 redesign as a hybrid will not rely on this as a power train and give us a Mazda power train, thanks for adding 👍
@@JamesOrtonVideo good question on the CX-5 - the 3 currently offers mild hybrid on both the Skyactiv G and Skyactiv X in Japan...maybe Mazda is holding out for the new Skyactiv motor to get released and have some miles under it's belt before refreshing the CX-5 (if they keep it around, which they'd be wise to). As for my point above, it wouldn't be a near term issue, but if you look into what I was mentioning with Vibes, you can buy the associated Toyota parts, but won't get warranty on them because it's not being installed on the "correct vehicle". If this becomes a short run for the Toyota drivetrain in the CX-50, it'd be awful having to just "chance it" with a $4000 battery pack, as opposed to an electronic throttle or something of that nature on the old "Vibe-trix". It's a fringe case issue, but worth mentioning for anyone planning to keep one long term/high mileage.
Also worth noting that the driving dynamics of the CX-50 are affected by the body being lifted 1.4 inches to maintain the same 8.1 inch ground clearance of other models, due to the battery pack/hybrid drivetrain protruding out the bottom of the floor (which thankfully means there's a spare tire and cargo capacity isn't affected).
Great review. Was wondering what risks there might be with the integration of the Rav4 Hybrid system into the CX-50? I have heard that the chassis had to be modified. How much of a risk is this?
Having a Mazda car but with Toyota reliability and MPG in the powertrain is literally the best of the best combinations out there. I am really glad this exists, even if it's not as engaging as a regular CX-50, normal people will buy this, and hopefully fall in love with Mazda :) (Or they get more interest in cars in general :) )
I have both, N/A RAV4 and a turbo Mazda...the Mazda is so so smooth in comparison, it's really remarkable that they were able to get a large displacement 4 cylinder to be almost electric smooth compared to the buzzy Toyota.
I have a feeling this might be a good way to get into a Toyota RAV4 hybrid below MSRP. You want the drivetrain and you want the reliability but you don't want to pay the Toyota premium. I'm not sure how they price comparably but it might be worth looking into.
I'll be interested to see how this collab ages. Not sure I want to be an early adopter, but this looks very promising. Might upgrade from my RAV4 hybrid in a few years.
We got one because the driving seat ergonomics were vastly superior at 6'2" compared to the camry. We were cross shopping the camry, crown signia, and the cx-50. CX-50 had 90% of the features for 2-5 grand less with a better sound system than either. It handles its weight miles better than the crown signia
The ability to adjust the passenger seat height in the Mazda (I assume) would be a good difference compared to the RAV4. The last time I sat in the passenger seat of a RAV4, I was too close to the roof, and it could not be adjusted.
You said there’s no packaging differences but other publications have said the vehicle itself was raised to fit the battery pack underneath and the rear seat was raised off the floor some so headroom is less.
so basically better looking / possibly better in term of NHV Toyota RAV 4, with some drawbacks of the design in terms of room efficiency. smart and very reasonable approach, lets wait and see the selling numbers
A big achievement for Mazda! Reliable zoom zoom. Should mazda cars have especially rear legroom and space like Honda plus this Toyota hybrid, they will be on the way to outsell Toyota and Honda cars
I know you don't think of it in the same class but I love the XC60 PHEV and I got a great deal on it (just a smidge more expensive than the base drivetrain). But I got it at a time in the market where you couldn't get a deal on either a CX-50 or RAV4 (every single damn local dealer was marking up), so it made the idea of switching into a more luxurious segment where at least I felt I was getting a deal way more palatable.
Interesting. Definitely not for me but I'm happy it's there. I'm looking forward to seeing what Mazda's going to come up with for the Mazda3, or if we'll ever see a Mazda6 on our shores again. So far, my top next-car pick is the 2025 Civic hybrid. That thing is just perfect; I don't think Mazda can top it but I'd love to see them try.
MSRP of the CX-50 Hybrid is $2200 MORE than a Toyota RAV4 Hybrid. I was thinking this makes some sense because I assumed the Mazda was going to be cheaper but it's a non-starter if it costs MORE than the Toyota IMO.
@@funnyfarm299 they may try to portray that but they've never been a premium brand. Better than Nissan? Sure. But in terms of reliability, they are definitely behind Toyota and Honda. Don't get me wrong, I love my NB Miata, super easy to work on but premium? Nah. They've always been the underdog, the small company that kept going after WWII, so I admire them for that but I fail to see how they expect to "become" premium simply by charging more for their cars. Oh well, zoom zoom and all that....
It's kind of tiring at this point hearing all journalists talking how this eCVT is not rubberbanding like normal CVT when eCVT isn't even belt CVT, it's just a normal AT box with 2 MGs instead of the torque converter. 🤦♂🤦♂
Well, the "rubber bandy" is more to describe the disconnect between engine RPM going up vs acceleration and pure lack of gearshift feel during the whole process. It's easier to engineer the fake in than trying to change people's perception on the matter lol.
It looks like best of both worlds Mazda fit,finish, with great sporty suv shape and superior polish stone reliable Toyota hybrid powertrain 👍in mine opinion best option over any other collaboration projects with Toyota like hybrid subaru forester, outback, or suzuki cross hybrid 👍
My local dealers are saying this sells when available at MSRP (which implies they will deal a little). All California Toyota dealers in or near any metro area on the US West Coast (Canada to Mexico) are still charging a $1000-$2500 "dealer adjustments" OVER MSRP for RAV4 hybrids (which haven't changed in four years, despite becoming 20% more expensive on MSRP). Goodnight, Toyota.
This hybrid is an excellent idea. Best hybrid system on the market. No lithium ion battery - just older safer technology. Also good to hear Dave Coleman is still at Mazda 😊
Actually, toyota mostly uses the lithiun-ion battery. They use the NiMH in their 4 wheel drive units as that type of battery works better in harsher climates, but weighs much more.
My 2020 Corolla Hybrid front wheel has the Nickel Metal Hydride. Great car that can easily get 60mpg. They did switch to the lithium ion for 2021 up. I live in a colder climate and glad to have the nickel battery.
while hopefully the powertrain wont require much service, i wonder what the ownership experience will be like when it comes to servicing the car. If you go to Mazda will they have the parts and knowledge to service the powertrain or do you take it to Toyota?
Notice how you can hear the loud thump of expansion joints in the video. I have driven both the CX50 and CX5 and the CX50 is loud and a little crude compared to the CX5.
it would need a much bigger battery which takes a lot of volume that wasn't planned for this vehicle. Hybrids are typically 1-2 kWh whereas plug-in hybrids are closer to 15-20 kWh.
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The 2025 Mazda CX-50 Hybrid for both the US and Canada are both manufactured at the joint Toyota/Mada factory in Huntsville, Alabama. However, despite the great Toyota powertrain marriage, in terms of standard equipment, the US and Canadian models differ markedly, in stark favor of the Canadian model. The Canadian model’s top trim (The CX-50 Hybrid GT) comes with heated steering wheel, front and rear parking sensors, front and rear cross traffic alert, 360-degree camera system. While some of the ‘missing’ features can be found on the gas-version CX-50 Turbo Premium, so goes the fuel economy found in the hybrid version. The US top-trim hybrid version (Hybrid Premium Plus) has no heated steering wheel, no front cross traffic alert and no 350-degree camera system. No trim level of the CX-50 features a digital rearview camera, especially noteworthy since rear window visibility is quite narrow. To me, this lack of standard and upper-trim equipment makes at least the upper trims of the CX-50 Hybrid not competitive in features and values with its rivals in the class, e.g. the Toyota RAV4, the Hyundai Tucson and to the Honda CRV. This stateside strip-down of CX-50 equipment compared to Canada, according to some conspiracy theorists, is an attempt to push the US market toward the CX-70 and CX-90 if all you want at best is 25 mpg. At this point, I want to either find a way to purchase a Canadian-spec’d CX-50 from the factory in Huntsville, or wait for a mid-cycle or 2026 model year refresh opportunity (if I’ve not bought something else) to see if Mazda pulls their heads out of their a**es!
I have the same reservations about the US version. Was very excited about the vehicle until I saw the motormouth review and realized that we are getting hosed.
You guys missed the point where Mazda engineers I believe had to “lift” or stretch the car taller to squeeze in the hybrid packaging. That’s why the plastic cladding is taller and more pronounced than a regular CX-50.
Recent insurance premium schedules mean you will pay about 30% more for a hybrid or electric vehicle. For me that’s about $450 /yr . With upfront costs the hybrid likely won’t be a cost benefit
I have a 2022 RAV4 Hybrid XSE with the Lithium Ion battery. The Nickel metal hydride is on the cheaper trims. Is that the same with Mazda? Gas mileage is amazing. Love that Mazda is doing this with Toyota tech.
I wish that the CX-50 got the Lithium pack rather than the Nickel one, but otherwise I'm pretty pleased with the CX-50 hybrid. With that said, we'll see what Toyota's next generation hybrid looks like in the 6th gen RAV4 which is due literally any day now. My guess is that it will have a 10 or so hp gain versus the Camry like it did with the 2018 Camry and 2019 RAV4, but still below where the next gen Highlander will be (due for 2027 MY).
You Guys Have This Answer. Please. For a normal guy like me who knows about modifying cars but is completely mechanically declined. When. I buy this Mazda CX 50 Hybrid and I want to spend 4k what thing can I go ask for to make the ride better. Also what's the dumb 10k option. I ask because it's out there and that's a 20 year car and I seriously might trade in my mazda 3 for it's second year 50 Hybrid.
I love Mazda - and I like the design of the car. Also Toyota drivetrain sounds like a good idea. But I recently went to the dealership and they were asking $10K over MSRP for the CX50 Hybrid. Also the seats felt kind of hard. Not the most comfortable seat!
Toyota drivetrain + Mazda architecture is genius
@@tomaskroupakkfoto4132 The eCVT in Toyota hybrids is basically bulletproof, unlike all the crap belt/chain CVTs found in most 100% ICE vehicles today. Totally different type of design vs a belt/chain CVT. Also, most Toyota engines these days smartly pair both direct & port injection together, so no carbon buildup (unlike 100% direct injection).
Less genius is the compromises they had to make. Taller, less ground clearance, more black plastic, less rear seat legroom, worse driving dynamics. Just get the 2.5 S and save yourself the money.
Not genius, just compromise. The more dynamic and exciting SUV with a dull powerplant. If you need hybrid just get a RAV4.
@@FeLiX13sLaVeif you don’t like it then you are not the target audience. Mazda knows what they are doing and these will sell.
Toyazda RavX-5
Really smart of Mazda to go this route. It's basically a better-looking (subjectively) Rav4.
It'll always sound like s*it when it's floored. People wanting the mpg boost won't care.
that nissan e power thingy, drives better and sounds better. Why arent people going after that?
@AI-qd4vb e power isn't in the US though that'll be 2026
@@AI-qd4vb It's way less fuel efficient from the looks of the standardized tests between the rogue and rav4 hybrids. Toyota also has a series-only hybrid system but currently they are only using it in one vehicle (Raize/Rocky) and probably for cost(Far cheaper than the e-power kicks in japan) and packaging limitations
But if they made it Mazda Prime..... 👀
The CX50 will sell because RAV4 are hard to get , so this will direct Toyota buyers to try the CX50 because it has Toyota DNA !!
Mazda dealers are gonna try their hardest to markup the CX-50 hybrid. I don't imagine the supply of this newly released car to be any better than the RAV4
@@Unchainedmaple888 no they won’t, mazda dealers are pretty good about no markups, at least here in the Bay Area. They are a small company and don’t sell that many cars a year compared to Toyota.
@@Unchainedmaple888 sure hope they don’t
The CX50 will be incredibly hard to get.
@@MaxRPMs The only two Mazda dealers in my area for 100 miles, one is doing $1500 markups still and the other one is doing $4000...
I drove it when they first got one at my dealer. It really is a great blend of toyota's great hybrid powertrain and mazda's ability to not produce an absolute shitbox like the rav is.
I left with a cx70.
🤣🤣🤣 amazing comment.
PHEV or Inline-6? I'd love to hear how the 2.5 hybrid Toyota engine compares to the 2.5 hybrid Mazda engine.
@@thatcopenguy Inline 6. It would smoke the hybrid and by seat of the pants, easily keep up with the turbo 50. I'm at 1100 miles right now on it and it's averaged 25.7 over that time period, and that's 80% city mileage. Sure, the hybrid powertrain is a bit more geared towards sheer efficiency, but id have gotten the phev if i cared that much about MPG
Stupid comment for the country's best selling SUV: "absolute shitbox like the rav is"
@ so best selling = the best? That means the f-150 is the best truck? The iPhone is the best phone? Tesla model Y is the best EV?
What a dog shit argument. Own one and see how cheap they’re made and unrefined it is for its price. Even Nissan does a better job.
Was waiting for this release from Mazda to consider a new car. Wanted a CX-50 for a while now, the Hybrid is definitely the cherry on top.
Funny, Sergio Marchionne got laughed at when he said companies are going to have to share technology to build electric/hybrid cars and designing everything in house is not sustainable. Years later they are all doing it- Honda/GM, VW/Rivian. Mazda/Toyota etc
That was his excuse as CEO of FCA, you see where he and FCA are at now.
I'd rather have a few solid systems shared between cars than a million different engines where you have to search for a specific production number to know if it's reliable.
Some can, like Toyota did for decades with their HSD, which others laughed or attempted and failed in, then some licensed or bought toyota's tech. Some refused to accept Toyota's superiority in this field and made their inferior drivelines, which have never reached the reliability of the HSD.
People laughed because it was FCA.
@@adam145okay real I had a Passat and learned that over 7 years they put five different engines in 😂 why the heck was that needed
Very intriguing partnership between these two. I'm liking what I see. It will be interesting to see how the RAV4 differentiates itself with the 6th Gen in 2026.
Mazda hybrid all day versus the Rav. CX50 has better build quality, nicer interior, far superior sound system to the JBL, and it looks better. This is the best of both worlds for a good price.
Had this been around when we got our rav4 hybrid…would have taken the CX50. The sound system is horrible in the rav and my wife tends to get car sick if I’m driving because of how much body roll/movement there is. (And that’s with me driving like a chauffeur lol)
Great appliance otherwise, fuel economy is stellar for city driving.
Better perceived build quality, maybe. Nothing you listed will translate to it holding value better than the Toyota.
Not sure about build quality. The gaps are pretty bad and inconsistent. Not made in Japan, after all.
Essentially a Toyota with Mazda Style and a Mazda Price Tag. Cork FTW!
Essentially Mazda with a Toyota motor. You get Mazda's better safety, looks and interior, and you also get Mazda's suspension (for better or for worse).
@@solderbuff Yeah, that works too. Cork FTW!
My only gripe about the CX-50 is the overly wide matte black plastic cladding around the wheels and rocker panel. Makes it look cheap. At least it’s not as bad as what Subaru did with the newest Forester and Outback. It’s what I call “Playskool Design”. (Yeah, I’m dating myself with the Playskool reference. For those of you who don’t understand the reference, they make cheap plastic toys for little kids).
I agree. Somehow black plastic means "off road"....when in reality that black plastic scratches more easily than painted plastic.
I have similarly used the term Duplo design to the same effect 😊
Toyota Nickel metal hydride + eCVT + direct+port injection is the efficency and reliability dream come true
You guys have perfected the art of blending technical reviews of cars and cinematography. Brilliant! Can’t thank you enough
The RAV4 hybrid powertrain is amazing, except for when you floor it, it sounds like absolute crap.
I work for Mazda, I was worried that would be the case.
Sure enough, I go to floor it.. it's like shaking a box of nails violently.
I think that's the powertrain's way of telling you it is disappointed in you. All I can hear is "Tricia Takanawa mother so sad."
My friends sienna sounds like it’s beating a tiny little Asian man under the hood when merging on the interstate
@ it’s reasonably quick though
As long as it stays together, just turn up the music,
Oh boy, need that upcoming comparison video ASAP!
You gotta love the Toyota hybrid system. Subaru definitely missed the chance to have it in their Outback.
I was thinking the same thing. I'll never understand why Subaru has been dragging their feet on hybrids for now...decades. Their primary demographic would fall over themselves to buy hybrids from them.
Well they are going to be using parts of the Toyota hybrid system for their upcoming hybrid models, but its not a drop in like Mazda did.
@@ragweedmakesmesneeze the Crosstrek hybrid sold like garbage
Who says they won't have it in the upcoming Forester hybrid? Or the new 2026 Outback that's coming out?
@Hefe179 The Crosstrek hybrid had a couple issues, mainly its price and the fact it was only sold in maybe a handful of states
I love my 2024 CX-50 Premium. Only serious complaints: fabric seats are fraying after not even 6 months and short seat (lack of thigh support). Fun driving dynamics and enjoy the wagon-like feel.
Do you have the non-turbo? Because if you have the turbo would be a leather seat so you must have the turbo I guess
@eleanormassaro5195 Non Turbo. Turbo way more fun, but was looking to avoid potential turbo repair bills down the road. Still drive fast, but takes a couple seconds longer. 🤣
I think all of the Japanese cars have poor thigh support in general. Even in my Lexus GX460, same story.
@@yayinternetsour Sequoia has a powered seat extender for the driver. Made for US market though...
@@derekisthematrix Oh nice, didn't know that. I think the Sequoia is essentially US only since it's based on the Tundra?
I havent spent time in the US designed full size Toyota products, I bet they have proper thigh support. I'm a big but active guy with long legs, my GX is literally boxer brief deep for me. Like 2-3" past pant middle seam.
One my more favorite reviews of yours. I liked how detailed you got during the driving section and comparing against the close rivals!
Really like the look of the CX-50, and I see it as a huge plus that it has a tried and tested, reliable Toyota hybrid system. I'd probably get it over the RAV4 and definitely take it over the CRV. I can't stand those.
The new CRVs are just accords with extra steps I don’t understand why people like them
@@XtrachunkyThe reason why people like CRVs is in your name lol. Xtrachunky.
Only downside with the Mazda is the rear suspension, beam axle in this segment is very budget.
@ lmao
@DabDabGoose True, but anywhere that snows it has benefits. Alignment points sieze up within the first 10 years of most IRS vehicles. With the beam axle, the alignment will likely stay in spec and has no adjustments to worry about.
Can’t wait for the cx 5 hybrid in the next few years
Hopefully in house hybrid system not the oyota one
@ yeah it’s suppose to be there own system . Either way I’m fine with it so long it’s the most updated version of the Toyota one or their own
I thought they were gonna kill the cx 5 off.
@ that’s their best selling vehicle . Why would they do that?
@@misterjay4347 cx 5 is the golden goose that they really want to move away from but can't
i just HOPE and PRAY that Mazda Dealers dont try to add the "Toyota Tax" to these. cuz theres STILL Rav4 Hybrids selling for WAYYY over sticker and even used ones with 70-80k miles are for sale at like $42k like wtf??
They did something similar in Europe with the Yaris and the Mazda 2 hybrid. They probably liked how that played out so now they seem to be rolling it out across more models
That wasn’t similar. It was a Yaris with a Mazda badge glued on it.
This is a Mazda with a Toyota drivetrain integrated into it.
So we’re installing Toyota powertrain into Mazda now. Mazda 3 with Corolla GR powertrain.
wait actually this sounds good
I traded in the Mazda3 for a GR Corolla, I would definitely willing to pay more money for a Mazda3 if they have the GR powertrain.
Mazdaspeed3 revival!!
Even just the GRC's manual trans and AWD bolted to the turbo Mazda3 would be nice.
0:30 the geese flying in the background 😘
CX-50 is such a handsome vehicle! I test drove both CX-5 and CX-50 back to back a couple times. I’m not thrilled about the torsion beam rear suspension compared to what Mazda CX-5 has. I wonder if Cx-50 Hybrid is any different (torsion beam rear suspension)
I was hoping for a look at the MGR cable and if it was redesigned to prevent corrosion.
I'm not even 5 minutes in and I want to see a head to head between this and the RAV4 Hybrid
The idea is good. Looking forward for colaborations of these two brands.
Does anyone know if Mazda addressed the Rav4 hybrid cablegate issue of corrosion damage ? That's the one issue I'm sure most people are worried about long-term.
I think it would be beneficial for whomever the passenger is to spend some of the drive time in the backseat and talk about the ride quality back there. It seems as if a lot of manufacturers are short changing the ride quality for back passengers. It might fit adults, but if the ride is shit, looking at you R1S, it would be good to know.
The majority of car owners rarely use the back seats. But I'm sure if you're someone who uses them all the time, seat comfort would be of a higher importance.
It is crashy. This is the main difference between the cx50 and cx5, besides the look. The cx50 has a non multilink rear suspension and that results in a noticeable decrease in smoothness while traveling in a straight line.
Many consumers will like the choice to buy mazda style with Toyota hybrid underneath. Win win
Thanks guys, nice to see you rolling through C'ville! and I think the resale value with the powertrain being toyota components will sit nicely!
My only question is how long Mazda will build this in this configuration (i.e. will they switch to a fully Mazda powertrain?). As long as it's projected to be around for a similar timeframe to the CX-5, it should be OK...but when you hear about the horror stories with parts on the Pontiac Vibe, which was literally a rebadged Toyota Matrix, it casts a little bit of doubt into parts warranty coverage and availability.
@aprtur interesting take, I get you, I don't see that as a problem with production of Toyota numbers vs then, my thing is I hope that the cx5 redesign as a hybrid will not rely on this as a power train and give us a Mazda power train, thanks for adding 👍
@@JamesOrtonVideo good question on the CX-5 - the 3 currently offers mild hybrid on both the Skyactiv G and Skyactiv X in Japan...maybe Mazda is holding out for the new Skyactiv motor to get released and have some miles under it's belt before refreshing the CX-5 (if they keep it around, which they'd be wise to). As for my point above, it wouldn't be a near term issue, but if you look into what I was mentioning with Vibes, you can buy the associated Toyota parts, but won't get warranty on them because it's not being installed on the "correct vehicle". If this becomes a short run for the Toyota drivetrain in the CX-50, it'd be awful having to just "chance it" with a $4000 battery pack, as opposed to an electronic throttle or something of that nature on the old "Vibe-trix". It's a fringe case issue, but worth mentioning for anyone planning to keep one long term/high mileage.
Also worth noting that the driving dynamics of the CX-50 are affected by the body being lifted 1.4 inches to maintain the same 8.1 inch ground clearance of other models, due to the battery pack/hybrid drivetrain protruding out the bottom of the floor (which thankfully means there's a spare tire and cargo capacity isn't affected).
So it’s essentially a RAV-50.
They considered CXBZ4 😂
That's 46 more RAVs!! Mazda is fucking killing it man!
@ I’m waiting for the Mazda WD-40.
@@Parker53151HANK Hill edition when
Great review. Was wondering what risks there might be with the integration of the Rav4 Hybrid system into the CX-50? I have heard that the chassis had to be modified. How much of a risk is this?
Having a Mazda car but with Toyota reliability and MPG in the powertrain is literally the best of the best combinations out there.
I am really glad this exists, even if it's not as engaging as a regular CX-50, normal people will buy this, and hopefully fall in love with Mazda :) (Or they get more interest in cars in general :) )
Side cladding overload.
Topgun Hybrid SUV #1.
Congratulations Mazda!! 🏆
Shooting a drive on Rt 31, hell yeah!
I’m wondering about a CX-5 hybrid too 🤔 I heard the CX-5 might be getting a major overhaul looks wise
I wish Mazda toned down the plastic cladding. Otherwise I like this better than the RAV4.
I have both, N/A RAV4 and a turbo Mazda...the Mazda is so so smooth in comparison, it's really remarkable that they were able to get a large displacement 4 cylinder to be almost electric smooth compared to the buzzy Toyota.
I have a feeling this might be a good way to get into a Toyota RAV4 hybrid below MSRP. You want the drivetrain and you want the reliability but you don't want to pay the Toyota premium. I'm not sure how they price comparably but it might be worth looking into.
I'll be interested to see how this collab ages. Not sure I want to be an early adopter, but this looks very promising. Might upgrade from my RAV4 hybrid in a few years.
We got one because the driving seat ergonomics were vastly superior at 6'2" compared to the camry. We were cross shopping the camry, crown signia, and the cx-50. CX-50 had 90% of the features for 2-5 grand less with a better sound system than either. It handles its weight miles better than the crown signia
How long do you have to keep for to pay for itself
Waiting for that comparison!
Just bought a 2024 RAV4 SE Hybrid...I love my purchase even more now! I've always really liked Mazda too, so I am digging this marriage!
Madza + toyota = looks, economy, reliability plus.
The ability to adjust the passenger seat height in the Mazda (I assume) would be a good difference compared to the RAV4. The last time I sat in the passenger seat of a RAV4, I was too close to the roof, and it could not be adjusted.
You said there’s no packaging differences but other publications have said the vehicle itself was raised to fit the battery pack underneath and the rear seat was raised off the floor some so headroom is less.
CX-50s achilles heel was always fuel economy (torsion beam rear aside), if this is what it takes to get a hybrid in it I think it’s pretty genius.
In todays insane prices, this is priced just right. I hope they sell as many as they can.
so basically better looking / possibly better in term of NHV Toyota RAV 4, with some drawbacks of the design in terms of room efficiency.
smart and very reasonable approach, lets wait and see the selling numbers
Ohhh...love this for Mazda, special if the price is better
A big achievement for Mazda! Reliable zoom zoom. Should mazda cars have especially rear legroom and space like Honda plus this Toyota hybrid, they will be on the way to outsell Toyota and Honda cars
Awww, you just answered my question about that torsion beam 😅
All hail The Dave Point!
I know you don't think of it in the same class but I love the XC60 PHEV and I got a great deal on it (just a smidge more expensive than the base drivetrain). But I got it at a time in the market where you couldn't get a deal on either a CX-50 or RAV4 (every single damn local dealer was marking up), so it made the idea of switching into a more luxurious segment where at least I felt I was getting a deal way more palatable.
Interesting. Definitely not for me but I'm happy it's there.
I'm looking forward to seeing what Mazda's going to come up with for the Mazda3, or if we'll ever see a Mazda6 on our shores again. So far, my top next-car pick is the 2025 Civic hybrid. That thing is just perfect; I don't think Mazda can top it but I'd love to see them try.
4:44 jack is voicing my biggest concern here
Please include the crown signia in this upcoming 2-row crossover comparison!
CX-50 hybrid is better than RAV4 hybrid. Nicer looking inside and outside. Drives better too. 🎉
I think it’d be even more compelling if it were PHEV. If money were no object though, I think I’d probably still go for the turbo+6-speed auto.
MSRP of the CX-50 Hybrid is $2200 MORE than a Toyota RAV4 Hybrid. I was thinking this makes some sense because I assumed the Mazda was going to be cheaper but it's a non-starter if it costs MORE than the Toyota IMO.
Mazda portrays themselves as a premium brand, I'm not sure why you expected it to be cheaper.
@@funnyfarm299 they may try to portray that but they've never been a premium brand. Better than Nissan? Sure. But in terms of reliability, they are definitely behind Toyota and Honda. Don't get me wrong, I love my NB Miata, super easy to work on but premium? Nah. They've always been the underdog, the small company that kept going after WWII, so I admire them for that but I fail to see how they expect to "become" premium simply by charging more for their cars. Oh well, zoom zoom and all that....
Rear seat head and legroom are reduced a bit, as is cargo volume and ground clearance.
It's kind of tiring at this point hearing all journalists talking how this eCVT is not rubberbanding like normal CVT when eCVT isn't even belt CVT, it's just a normal AT box with 2 MGs instead of the torque converter. 🤦♂🤦♂
Well, the "rubber bandy" is more to describe the disconnect between engine RPM going up vs acceleration and pure lack of gearshift feel during the whole process. It's easier to engineer the fake in than trying to change people's perception on the matter lol.
It looks like best of both worlds Mazda fit,finish, with great sporty suv shape and superior polish stone reliable Toyota hybrid powertrain 👍in mine opinion best option over any other collaboration projects with Toyota like hybrid subaru forester, outback, or suzuki cross hybrid 👍
My local dealers are saying this sells when available at MSRP (which implies they will deal a little). All California Toyota dealers in or near any metro area on the US West Coast (Canada to Mexico) are still charging a $1000-$2500 "dealer adjustments" OVER MSRP for RAV4 hybrids (which haven't changed in four years, despite becoming 20% more expensive on MSRP). Goodnight, Toyota.
This hybrid is an excellent idea. Best hybrid system on the market. No lithium ion battery - just older safer technology. Also good to hear Dave Coleman is still at Mazda 😊
Actually, toyota mostly uses the lithiun-ion battery. They use the NiMH in their 4 wheel drive units as that type of battery works better in harsher climates, but weighs much more.
My 2020 Corolla Hybrid front wheel has the Nickel Metal Hydride. Great car that can easily get 60mpg. They did switch to the lithium ion for 2021 up. I live in a colder climate and glad to have the nickel battery.
@@noname-yb5jt yes, wish my Venza had that battery, but the lithiun-ion are lighter and cheaper for the manufacturers.
Rear seat packaging has actually changed because of the placement of the battery. Rear seat legroom has shrunk a bit.
while hopefully the powertrain wont require much service, i wonder what the ownership experience will be like when it comes to servicing the car. If you go to Mazda will they have the parts and knowledge to service the powertrain or do you take it to Toyota?
Anyone can work on Toyota’s hybrid system.
Notice how you can hear the loud thump of expansion joints in the video. I have driven both the CX50 and CX5 and the CX50 is loud and a little crude compared to the CX5.
When is the new RAV expected?
Am I the only one who thinks the headlights look like what a modern BMW's double hallow headlights should look like? lol
Can you include the Tuscon Hyrbird in your testing as well.
I hope this cx-50 comes to Australia 🇦🇺
Genuine question here, is it that much harder to make it a plug in hybrid and offer some pure ev mileage like the 70's/90/s?
That architecture is based on an inline 6. Good luck fitting that into a CX-50.
it would need a much bigger battery which takes a lot of volume that wasn't planned for this vehicle. Hybrids are typically 1-2 kWh whereas plug-in hybrids are closer to 15-20 kWh.
@@ThePilotGear thank you for the reply, makes sense!
Odd omission: no parking sensors. You can get them on the gas model.
Also no 360 cameras.
It's a great powertrain solution, as the base motor is a bit too slow for even pedestrian drivers and the turbo is a big jump up in price.
Would y'all still caution against buying the first model year of this configuration?
You guys have the best production value on UA-cam. I've been a subscriber for many years and you keep getting better and better. My favorite car channel by far. Greetings from Quebec Canada
Hope to see this Mazda cx50 in Philippines.
Why does it not use the pink super long life coolant?
Still patiently waiting for you guys to review the carnival hybrid and compare their setup against Japanese for pro and cons(:
Which should I get? Cx50 hybrid or RAV4?
The 2025 Mazda CX-50 Hybrid for both the US and Canada are both manufactured at the joint Toyota/Mada factory in Huntsville, Alabama. However, despite the great Toyota powertrain marriage, in terms of standard equipment, the US and Canadian models differ markedly, in stark favor of the Canadian model. The Canadian model’s top trim (The CX-50 Hybrid GT) comes with heated steering wheel, front and rear parking sensors, front and rear cross traffic alert, 360-degree camera system. While some of the ‘missing’ features can be found on the gas-version CX-50 Turbo Premium, so goes the fuel economy found in the hybrid version. The US top-trim hybrid version (Hybrid Premium Plus) has no heated steering wheel, no front cross traffic alert and no 350-degree camera system. No trim level of the CX-50 features a digital rearview camera, especially noteworthy since rear window visibility is quite narrow. To me, this lack of standard and upper-trim equipment makes at least the upper trims of the CX-50 Hybrid not competitive in features and values with its rivals in the class, e.g. the Toyota RAV4, the Hyundai Tucson and to the Honda CRV. This stateside strip-down of CX-50 equipment compared to Canada, according to some conspiracy theorists, is an attempt to push the US market toward the CX-70 and CX-90 if all you want at best is 25 mpg. At this point, I want to either find a way to purchase a Canadian-spec’d CX-50 from the factory in Huntsville, or wait for a mid-cycle or 2026 model year refresh opportunity (if I’ve not bought something else) to see if Mazda pulls their heads out of their a**es!
I have the same reservations about the US version. Was very excited about the vehicle until I saw the motormouth review and realized that we are getting hosed.
You guys missed the point where Mazda engineers I believe had to “lift” or stretch the car taller to squeeze in the hybrid packaging. That’s why the plastic cladding is taller and more pronounced than a regular CX-50.
double LUT at 4:30 ?
Recent insurance premium schedules mean you will pay about 30% more for a hybrid or electric vehicle. For me that’s about $450 /yr . With upfront costs the hybrid likely won’t be a cost benefit
its the EV with the high insurance
But your Virtue Signaling will be so much higher!
@@angusp5515 also hybrid . I pulled quotes on Prius , Kia nitro and rav 4. State Farm in WA said they are putting ev and hybrid in the same risk class
I just upgraded from a 2009 sedan to a 2020 hybrid SUV. My premium went up under $100 a year.
I have a 2022 RAV4 Hybrid XSE with the Lithium Ion battery. The Nickel metal hydride is on the cheaper trims. Is that the same with Mazda? Gas mileage is amazing. Love that Mazda is doing this with Toyota tech.
These cars will sell like hot cake
Does it drive better than Honda CRV Hybrid?
Would you go to a Toyota dealership for an oil change since it's their engine?
I wish that the CX-50 got the Lithium pack rather than the Nickel one, but otherwise I'm pretty pleased with the CX-50 hybrid.
With that said, we'll see what Toyota's next generation hybrid looks like in the 6th gen RAV4 which is due literally any day now. My guess is that it will have a 10 or so hp gain versus the Camry like it did with the 2018 Camry and 2019 RAV4, but still below where the next gen Highlander will be (due for 2027 MY).
A great looking Mazda.
You Guys Have This Answer. Please. For a normal guy like me who knows about modifying cars but is completely mechanically declined. When. I buy this Mazda CX 50 Hybrid and I want to spend 4k what thing can I go ask for to make the ride better. Also what's the dumb 10k option. I ask because it's out there and that's a 20 year car and I seriously might trade in my mazda 3 for it's second year 50 Hybrid.
I love Mazda - and I like the design of the car. Also Toyota drivetrain sounds like a good idea. But I recently went to the dealership and they were asking $10K over MSRP for the CX50 Hybrid. Also the seats felt kind of hard. Not the most comfortable seat!
4:06 Jack, nobody cares if your puns are intended. 😜
Least of all, me and Maddox.
Never knew it was pronounced Maaazda. In Sweden we say Mazda 😂
They’re from Chicago. Dat’s da way dey taaaalk. 😂
Intentionally says pun: "no pun intended"