CONTRAST EXPERT reviews Army Painter SPEED PAINTS
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Thanks for the review JH! We are fans and cherish your feedback. It’s common for people to compare and “contrast” with Speedpaint. However it’s actually a pretty unique formulation. Yes, it can be deactivated, which is why we recommend a clear coat and if you plan to highlight on top. The chemical make up that allows for the reactivation to happen is actually what helps to prevent tide marks and coffee stains.
Thanks for that!
I agree actually, the main issue is people are comparing them to Contrast Paints when THEY ARE VERY DIFFERENT!
I think we need to embrace and understand that so we can inform ourselves and others so they can be sure they are buying the CORRECT product for their needs. There's nothing worse than buying something and feel you have thrown your money away.
I really appreciate you answering guys and I will pin this so everyone can see this comment.
Reactivated*
Perhaps it would be good to include a safe brush on varnish in the mega set if this is how they are designed?
If that is possible to make that would actually be a fantastic idea.
I'm mostly surprised that I've not seen any other reviews out there that's picked up on this.
I'm very happy with the openess of AP and I'm looking forward to trying these babies out. (:
If water re'activates the paints, which varnishes would you recommend?
The only review that matters: From the Contrast King himself.
Thanks 😘
The only Juan review that matters 🤭
Lol
Juan review…to rule them all?
Hate to say this because I almost never used Contract Paints, but I started subscribing about 2 months ago in anticipation of THIS SPECIFIC video because the thought of a 1 coat paint seemed so great to me. While I waited for this video, I decided to watch the already posted content. I learned quite a bit and I have already added a few Contrast Paints to my paint racks. I am still debating buying the Speedpaints but at least now I am far better informed.
Your experiments confirm what I found out in my review. They also reactivate when you paint over them with acrylic paint. Fortunately, I'm not the only one talking about this issue!
Yeah it was your review that inspired me to develop a more in-depth test. As an engineer I NEEDED to know the answer.
@@JuanHidalgoMiniatures Easy, it was the butler with the candlestick in the library... I mean the thixotropic fasteners
@@JuanHidalgoMiniatures Nice to hear. Big fan of your work :)
Same here mate!
another great review. It really is more helpful to speak about those issues to know what these paints are and what they are not, and avoid the hype train that only brings disappointment and fanaticism. Some people will probably get more views with clickbait titles like "Speedpaints, the Contrast killer" or "Speedpaints: they are trash!", but honest content yours will prevail in the long run.
It's nice to see someone actually put them through some tests, rather than just saying "here's some new stuff, it's great BUY IT NOW" I was surprised to see how quickly and often they re activated.
Great into by the way. I really cracked up at it.
Hahaha, glad you found it funny, I love to make people laugh.
As for the review, as a reviewer I feel my obligation is to inform my viewers the best way I can rather than just hyping a product unnecessarily.
This is an amazing review Juan. A lot of the reviews are just simply "first layer vs. first layer". You went well beyond that. I think I'll be sticking to my overpriced GW Contrast for now. Maybe I'll pick up the Speed Paints for my kids though.
They are a nice product of you just want to do what it says on the tin, but for more in depth work, they can be an issue.
Thanks Juan, for the tests and the humour. I've watched a fair few Speedpaint videos and don't recall hearing about the reactivation issue before, so your vid' is very useful. Many thanks.
Happy to help, I wanted to make the most in depth and fair review as possible.
Thank you for the thorough and most of all HONEST review! The re-activation aspect changes everything, and while it can be dealt with layers of varnish in between, the hassle will be tremendous. Could you please do a test for lightfastness? Im afraid that if they are similar to Dr Ph. Martin's as I suspect, they will fade extremely easy. I have also to say that Im extremely angry. The product is what it is, but NO OTHER reviewer, in those months that they are pestering us with video after video mentioned that they re-activate.
I'm gonna say that if the other reviewers were testing them based off of what it says on the label, they may not have come across the reactivation.
That is a great idea, I will leave the test strip on the sun and see what happens. I will inform through the community tab in a couple weeks.
As for others reviews, I honestly don't understand how no one has said anything about this apart from the Taleofainters guys. As an engineer that was the first thing I thought of testing, makes you think about Internet reviews in general.
@@JuanHidalgoMiniatures Maybe because other reviewers belong to the BlackPrimerCult and dont understand painting on light surfaces. :) those of use who have worked with paints+inks for years are not scared of Contrast or SpeedPaint.
@@JuanHidalgoMiniatures In the pre-social media days, the magazine and big web site editors were always accused for corruption. And it was true. Being a graphic designer I've seen more than enough advertorials masked as ''honest personal opinions''. Many of these people were getting ''incentives'' in the form of gifts, free vacations or even hard cash. With the decline of the established print publications and the advent of social media where everyone had a voice, we were fooled to believe that this new system would be uncorruptable because of the multitude of independant reviewers. Well it seems that human nature got busy. The majority of all these ''reviewers'' and ''influencers'' are not only as corrupted as the pro journalists/editors, but they are doing it for cheap also. They will say anything for 5 pots of color or a box of plastic that costs to the corporations less than a fiver. The most ironic fact is that Army Painter themselves admit these negative characteristics in at least one of their videos. The ''reviewers'' turned to be more royalists than the King himself. What a bunch of ass wipers....
I've seen many other reviews reporting the reactivation issue during the last few weeks, you have to order the videos by date, instead relevance selected by the youtube algorithm. Just to name a few Watch It Paint (the multiple coats issue and when trying washes), Stahly (Tale of Painters, pointing that as a serious issue this week)... even big ones like Squidmar talked briefly about the issue more than a month ago and gave them a mixed review, and Squidmar made a follow up video two weeks ago informing of the issue after initial super positive review.
Talking about dishonesty of reviewers... well, those do exist and maybe a few of them noticed the issue and didn't want to talk about it because interests. Some others most probably didn't experiment enough with the paints to identify any problem, but many of them were talking about the issue, not only in video reviews but in forums, also. I've known about the reactivation since I watched a review that experienced that issue many weeks ago, went to reddit, and people were talking about it and the varnish coat solution. Maybe it's because that I'm a little bit surprised by the negative feedback of the last few days, considering it's a problem known by enthusiasts even before commercial release. I think many people got hyped because the initial great feedback + the lower cost, but these paints are not "cheaper Contrast", and they don't do the advanced techniques people discover Contrast do great during the last 2 years. Speedpaints look great to paint huge amount of minis at tabletop/high-tabletop quality standard, but apparently the very same component that makes them less patchy than Contrast and makes most darker colors more interesting, is responsable of the reactivation issue.
Right now it just comes to what do you want your paints for, but probably some people will find new creative uses for Speedpaints like they did with Contrast (I remember the really bad initial feedback Contrast got when people were trying "one thick coat" only, before starting to try airbrush, zenithal priming or glazing with medium). For starters, Speedpaints are being reported as better for mixing and achieving new colors while keeping their properties than Contrast, including things like chromatic blacks. Patience. Are these paints perfect or what hyped people fantasize with? probably not, but they are what they are being advertised for sure, let's see if they offer more interesting uses during the next months.
Don't jump into the hype train, people, it just creates fanaticism and disappointment.
Money saved. Thank you. I was ready to buy the big box. I usually use multiple thin coats of Contrasts. I can't imagine varnishing my model after each layer. That's a BIG issue.
It is for sure!
i know for a fact it doesnt do this now. idk if it used to but it doesnt have that issue anymore
Thank you for going into greater depth than literally every other painting content creator I've seen so far with this range. No one else has mentioned the reactivation of the paints, so it would have been a nasty surprise for me when I get to use them.
Happy to help 😘
I've been hearing similar things. Speed paint does the job they were marketed for more effectively than contrast paints. But contrast paints are better for various other techniques like glazing.
THAT is the correct and perfect TL;DR
Notice GW painting vids now use contrast paints more as shades, instead of their own shade paints?
@@ironheadedDoF shades are still good for actually shading however. if you want to glaze in shadows and that kind of thing, shade paints are great for this.
for a wash though, contrast is way better when diluted with contrast medium. it's also better for regular glazing I think. I do think shade paints still have their use though for adding depth in shadows.
They do that because they produce a much more uniform and smooth result.
I tend to brush my varnish so this has been extremely useful. Thanks
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Thanks for your review! EVERYONE is making videos about these and none (of those that I've watched) show a problem with drying and reactivation, which for me personally is a huge deal. I've been using contrast paints for 2 years straight and I've gotten pretty used to their behavior, for me (overpriced) king still lives.
Happy to help! Thanks for watching
I'm really glad I found out about this, means I can use Speed Paint more appropriately for my needs. On expensive models, I tend to use contrast as an initial base + highlight, then build up from there with other washes, drybrushing and highlighting. So knowing that this could have easily ruined expensive models or made my life really hard is a god send. Thank you so much for this!
How the hell did all the positive reviews and praise I saw from everywhere else miss this incredibly simple thing? Especially from the "This will easily replace contrast and for cheaper" lot, when it clearly can't replace what contrast does after all.
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You are one of the people i most wanted to review these, and i was right on wishing it! This is a very important thing to know for many paintjobs! In my mind this does NOT diminish their value, which is to crank out decently painted armies really quickly, but it does mean that if you want to replace Contrast with these (because of cost, ethics or whatever) you'll have to have this in mind in your workflow.
100%
this has been the best review of these i've seen, so far (and yr the first person i've seen mention about how they reactivate with water which is immensely important to know [i still plan to get some but that entirely changes how i will use them.])
Yeah, I honestly cannot understand why it hasn't been mentioned before because it's most definitely something you NEED to know beforehand otherwise they can mess up an entire project.
Can you imagine trying to apply a decal over that blue shoulderpad for example?
@@JuanHidalgoMiniatures in and of itself, it's not really a bad thing as it opens the paint up to techniques that you couldn't use contrast paints for but not making people aware of this is honestly terrible as folks will spend so long painting and then just ruining those paintjobs so quickly (and i didn't even think of the nightmare that applying decals over it would be!)
I just wished AP sent these to me sooner but we'll, what's done it's done.
The reactivating aspect almost makes me want to see someone using them with the reductive oil paint approach ^^
Great video, very informative!
Happy to help 😘
Awesome stuff once again, thanks for deep diving into this.
It's great that we have different tools like this, but to me this product isn'y a direct replacement of contrast paint like some reviews were making it out to be.
Happy to experiment with them and try a couple bottle in future but you saved me big $$ on a full set I was about to order to test so appreciate it.
Yeah they are NOT a replacement and Army Painter has said that time and time again.
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I appreciate the thorough testing of them reactivating.
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Great review. Having you weigh in on this topic is very useful. Thanks for your expert feedback on this product!
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I and many others appreciate you sharing your content about speed paints. They do what is advertised and I would recommend them to new players/hobbyists for sure. I watched all the popular hobby creators on youtube and I was definitely on the speedpaint hype train and planning a purchase. But the fact that the speedpaints activate even when interacting with other paints is a HUGE tooltip that everyone should know about. When applying more depth, highlights, blending, and other techniques, that fact alone made difference in me not buying the speedpaints, save money, and utilize with what contrasts I have at the moment. I
Thanks, I really appreciate it
Neat I’ve preordered speedpaints I just don’t have the time I used too and now painting times limited . Now if I get time I’ll experiment myself I’d love too see you do the same !
I will!
Great review Juan, I noticed the reactivation issue in my own review and it's nice to see someone else pick up on it too. It's a little disappointing, but ok if you know about it. I definitely think these paints have their place in your paint collection, but they are VERY different to contrast paints and it's important people know.
Thanks for the in depth testing of each colour!
Happy to help and it's great more people are spreading this. Not because they are bad but as you said, because it's important to make people understand they are NOT contrast paints so they are not disappointed when they buy them.
This is interesting. As I will do everything in my power to get miniatures on the board faster I can see myself painting one layer with Speedpaint, then varnishing and moving onto the next models. Then when I have spare time, I can take the most important of those miniatures, and take them to the next level with highlight + a new layer of varnish. So actually, I kinda see this as a good thing. I usually spend 80% of my time highlighting when I should just focus on getting miniatures on the table :D
If that's the case then this will definitely be a product for you. I'm happy my video was helpful.
One of the fairest and more thorough of the tests Ive seen. Still want to try some out, but good to see you using them in ways people may likely use them.
Thanks 😘
Nice to see somebody taking about reactivation, I noticed it a while ago but my blog doesn’t have the same traction as your page! 😂
Sorry I missed your review, I would have linked it for sure.
Best review on these I have watched. Subscribed. Great testing and balanced review. Well beyond the comparison to Contrast paints that everyone jumped on immediately myself included. I do see videos coming out now about "speed painting" an army using these paints as a one coat solution with maybe a drybrush on top. As you said it is the intended use.
Thanks!
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As for the paints, they have a CLEAR and defined use, they do one thing and they do it very well. And yeah you can basic highlights on top without issues.
I somehow expected that intro, but it made me laugh never the less. Amazing video as always. The background music is very therapeutic btw!
Thanks, much appreciated
Very fair review I think. I must admit I like the reactivate thing as it means I can correct pooling to a certain extent after they are dry and don’t have a problem with using varnish before layers or highlights. Like all tools they are better if you understand them and how they work and this video shows that.
That's the main idea and the most important thing here, understand your tools
Thanks for providing an honest and thorough review amidst all the shallow Speedpaint hype videos. Big respect, Juan 💪
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I can’t express how much I was looking forward to speed paints but the reactivation is killing my enthusiasm.
It's most definitely something you need to know in advance for sure
Same feeling here :(
Hopefully there will be Speedpaint 2.0? Because I may as well paint with watercolors!
You get what you pay for: cheap paint.
Is not a bug is a feature. Very good, very long blending effects able. If not want this use a varnish.
Como siempre estupendo, me ha gustado mucho el review. Creo que seguiré con las contrast de GW, después de tantos vídeos viéndote conseguir esos geniales resultados estoy enamorado de ellas.
Gracias guapo 😘
Fantastic review and no holds barred which is great to see. I have not been put off trying these out but I am more informed now as to what I can use them for and more interestingly, I'm wondering if the reactivating can be used intentionally to create different effects.
I think it might be worth checking out.
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Nice, good to see them actually tested, sure they have a place, not going to rush out and grab these though
Glad you liked the review
I love my contrast paints and was going to pre order the Speedpaints, so glad I held off and watched as many reviews as possible, very few reviewers are pointing out the reactivating so thankyou for your testing. Reactivating is a complete deal breaker for me and the techniques I use with these kind of paints, such a shame.
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Cheers Juan. It's good to see if your techniques work with them.
Happy to help mate 😘
Oh man I’ve been waiting for this one! Thanks Senpai
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Appreciate the video. I have terribly shaky hands so I’ve been studying all this and looking at so many reviews. I still interested in buying them. Might take a little work but I can’t afford contrast paint
Very good review, I think my boy will love these as his first paints but I'll stick with my Contrasts for the more complex jobs.
That's a great use for them, your boy will LOVE them and the ease of use will make him grow confident and take the hobby with great enthusiasm.
Keep up the good work sir. Best review of the Army SpeedPaint that I have seen.
Thanks 😘
Omg I actually busted out laughing at the intro. Thank you for that! Great review as well!
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Great review, very interesting and useful, many thanks!!!! 😊
Gracias guapo 😘
Great review! I was actually happy to see the paint reactivate. I see two helpful things out of this "OOPS" moment. First off, fixing stray or errant brushstrokes without having to spot primer. The second is the subtractive method of making highlights could be far more subtle and controlled. The third that I just thought of is how it could reactivate and wet blend with another color. Hmmm, things for me to experiment with...
Good luck!
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Muchas gracias por esta review Juan. No conocía tu canal hasta que UA-cam me recomendó este vídeo en particular y te mereces que te deje un comentario. Eres el primer Español de wargaming que veo y tu review sobre las Speedpaint - que he visto MUCHAS, créeme - ha sido la única que ha mencionado el concepto de la reactivación. Muy interesante.
Yo de momento no he tenido problemas y estoy bastante contento habiéndome comprado el starter set para pintar las minis del nuevo HeroQuest. No sé si las usarás en tu canal en otros vídeos, pero me gustaría verlo. Un saludo
Gracias guapetón 😘
Quizás haga un video mas sobre ellas, estoy pensando en ello
Badger Ghost Tints used to reactivate like that too. Such a shame. Maybe it might be useful for blending ... But fully reactivation sounds like the formula needs to be reevaluated.
At first, I was super excited about getting my hands on this set, and it was coming out right on my B-day. After seeing this video and a few others point out the reactivation of the paint, either by water, paint, medium, etc. I'm not 100% sold on this product v.s. what I currently have and use sadly. The price point was the main pro, but with the headache of using these. Not sure it is worth it.
The key here is knowledge. Knowing this CAN happen is key to deciding of this is for you or not.
So I'm happy to have helped.
Muy buen vídeo juan, has explicado muy bien los pros y contrast 🤪
(Suelto el micro y me largo 🤣)
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Finally someone that provides a useful and complete review. Thanks juan
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Very helpful. Thank you!
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I'm glad I watched this video! Glad you made it! The reactivating of the paint is definitely something I wouldn't have anticipated. That said, I think it might make speed painting an army a little easier as you could "highlight" by removing some of the paint on the edges and raised parts. Almost like using watercolors. I'm curious if the paint reactivating would be a problem with simple edge highlights or drybrushing as there's not as much moisture involved. Either way, with several hundred orks to paint, these seem to look better with the single coat than contrast paints and don't seem as fiddly. It would still be quicker to single coat and then airbrush on varnish than to use other methods for mass army painting.
Happy to help, and yeah simple edge highlights would be ok.bits techniques like glazing that would cause havoc here.
I haven't tested drybrushing but I'm sure it's would be ok or mostly ok.
Thanks for the review. Also thanks @ the Army painter guys for accepting your feedback and explaining why it does what it does. While I love the richness of some of the colours (like the red) I don't think they're for me and the way I paint things. I think I'll stick to my conttrast paints for now. And that's a good thing, because we have choice, we're not stuck to one particular brand of paints.
I sincerely hope that whoever these paints do work for gets the most out of them and do some of their best work with them.
Some might feel this is a bad review for Army Painter but I think it's the absolute contrary. This is a GOOD review in the long run for them because people need to know what the product you sell can and cannot do BEFORE purchasing it.
There's nothing worse than a customer that feels cheated, because that's a lost customer.
This is the best review on speed paints so far! Thanks Juan!
Thanks
Glad you haven’t turned to chaos! I’ve heard not only do they reactivate but it also scratches and rubs off really easily
Yeah, they do but contrast does as well to be fair
JuanHidalgo Miniatures I guess I’ve never noticed as I’m always super paranoid about scratching my miniatures 😂
Me too, but yeah they do
I'm currently trying my hand at speedpaints for some Pox Walkers. I painted the pants with this fantastic orange tone and a day later I tried to repaint some details like the belt, the pockets or the maggots with a beige tone. And here the reactivation is really a problem because I always get an orange cast. But I need to experiment a bit more to make a final judgement.
Yeah that's the main issue
Thanks Juan, you just saved me a bunch of money, time, and frustration. Appreciate it.
Especially when these are sold as set and not as single pots
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i like that they are a little more consistent in converge . they all are a lot more medium and contrast has a few that cover dark and some cover much much lighter than maybe they should out of the bottle. the reactivation might be useful, you can add a highlight a day later, kinda like an oil wash
Thanks for watching
I really hoped, that you are going to do this - thank you :)
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Just found your channel, this is a great video thank you =D
Welcome to the Channel!!
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I like you being careful cause that's how I paint, even with contrast style paints. I don't use them for speed, I use them for a different look. Even after recessing, highlighting, shading and lining a mini, contrast paints look different. I highlight with them sometimes anyways and lining works no matter what you're doing when it's called for. Nice work man.
Thanks
great review, the fact that it could be reactivated is pretty huge since it probably lengthen the process due to drying and applying clear coat to protect it prior layering. It's clearly serve different purpose compared to contrast paint.
100% different product
Wow... Well Reviewed.. Thank You ✌️💚
Thank you for watching 😘
Lol, dude that intro! I needed that laugh today!
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Thank you , Juan
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This has come full circle! Excellent reviews. Honestly I think Speed Paint just wins for product at half the cost and very few people will think about reactivation (until, maybe, whoops, they buy the set). I'm ambivilent, I don't use either much, and believe it or not my favorite Contrast paint is Contrast Medium, because I can mix whatever I want with it :) Also, hey, we're all buying paint that is super expensive, so that Speed Paint already comes in dropper bottles is a weird plus, too. I don't dropper bottle anything because extra work, I use a pipette. Keep it up, though, Juan, love your channel and its invaluable info.
Happy to help and thanks 😘
Thanks for the fascinating in depth video! I’m wondering if the reactivation aspect could somehow be harnessed or used as a technique of some sort, such as reactivating and removing the highest points as a form of additional highlights or adding additional speed paint and blending after the first is dried ? Do you think either approach would be workable?
Maybe, there is at least potential there but I also think it can be potentially too inconsistent and messy.
@@JuanHidalgoMiniatures One last question: given the reactivation issue, is it possible to use these paints for multiple coats ?
Not without varnishing in between
Thanks for the review, so many reviews I've seen about the Speedpaints have all been conflicting. Some say they work great some say they don't, some say their browns and oranges aren't different while other say they are, and nobody has talked about the reactivating with them, which is close to a deal breaker for me.
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The only speed paint review I will truly believe in from the master
Thanks 😘
Thank you for the review
Thank you for watching it
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love this video, really nice to see an analysis that actually holds a lot of weight to it and is closer to how i use contrast paints!
just wondering, are there any plans to use a different soundtrack for your videos at any point? the jams you've got currently are nice but it could be fun to mix it up!
Maybe but I'm too lazy to look for more 😂
@@JuanHidalgoMiniatures totally fair lol 😆
Thank you for doing an actual in-depth evaluation. Do you think there is enough color difference between these and Contrast to warrant picking some up and going through the effort of varnishing after the initial coat before highlighting?
Well, to me not really. Maybe the darker hues as those are the worst to apply with Contrast.
I did like the hue of Highlord Blue and the darker Red too.
Thank you very much for this review. :)
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While I'm very much looking forward to adding the SP's to my arsenal, I would lie if I didn't admit that the re'activation didn't concern me. That said, it does open up for some interesting ideas.
As @AP says below, and you too. You can varnish it, but that feels like a bit extra hassle over just using contrast instead.
I have to admit, I'm a bit curious why no other reviewer picked up on this (or maybe they did and I didn't watch that one^^)?
Thanks for the review, interesting as always. (-:
That's my biggest concern too, not that the paint works as the manufacturer intended but that no one has reported this before.
How is it possible? Personally I don't understand it.
@@JuanHidalgoMiniatures Me neither!
I mean, I feel that someone such as Brent from Goobertown really should've picked up on this?
Sadly, it seems it's all about "window dressing" and no actual research/trial.
I'm not putting any blame on AP for this, and before this review, I honestly thought that they would work as Contrast paints.
I rather like the reactivation. Depending on how smooth you can make it you have an acrylic paint that can be removed like oils for highlights or blending
Thank for the review. I bought a starting set of speedpaints and after using it a few times, well, speed paints are not bad but I prefer citadel contrast. It must be said army painter is cheaper than citadel, so.... difficult choice. If a had enough money to buy all citadel contrast, Id do it,but speedpaints are not bad.
Exactly, Speedpaints are ok, they do their job for sure but I personally prefer Contrast too.
Very interesting! Something I'd love to know though.
Does a layer of a different speed paint still reactivate the first layer? I'm thinking more along the lines of easy blending and colour gradients possibly?
Putting a light blue over a dark blue, and it reactivate the bottom layer and magically created a perfect blend for example?
Or won't it work that well?
Yes it does
@@JuanHidalgoMiniatures ohhha don't suppose you'd have time to tinker around with that? Id much rather buy a few of these paints if they "blend themselves" instead of doing 20 million glaze layers to do a power sword for example. Lol
Also thanks again for your service sir! 😘
Maybe in the future but I have too many projects at the moment that I need to finish
Damn. They certainly have some great hues in the set and I do like the way the one coat sets with minimal pooling and staining on the flats (that is really super interesting chemistry they've figured out there given how much they pull away...that much flow aid/surfactant is also what causes problems with staining flats) but reactivation is such a pain. That's definitely one of the reasons you don't see anyone really use Badger ghost tints anymore.
Very interesting, you are the second person to mention the Ghost tints, never used them but yeah I can see how no one uses them if they reactivate
@@JuanHidalgoMiniatures yep, I used to use one called Plasma Fluid a lot because the hue is awesome but Arkhelian Green is basically the same blue with a tiny bit of green movement to it...and it doesn't reactivate. :)
I plan to use both not "either or". Interesting to how they reactivate which I haven't experienced with Contrast paints at all. Is there any utility in using the activation for some techniques?
Maybe, I think it would be worth experimenting
thank you so much for the review, Juan, I thought that speedpaints were the same than contrast. Now, I know that I don't need speedpaints
Happy to help 😘
Great stuff friend 👏 👍
Thanks mate 😘
i recently bought the mega set of the army painter idk if they fixed the issue or if it never existed in the first place but i have had zero issue with them. they work perfectly and are amazing paints. my only complaint now is the color selection which as i have seen they are working on making more colors currently. i would highly recommend trying them again or if you never did trying them now. i feel like people spend way more on paint than they need to. almost like a status thing. i use all paints depending on what im trying to accomplish or if i find a color i like. for instance i liked the citadel nihilakh oxide color a lot for giving my death guard an oxidized metal look and i cant get that with army painter yet. my advice is to try things for yourself and make your own judgements. influencers have way to much power and sway over people nowadays. I watched alot of videos about the issue and can say if that issue was an issue its been corrected
Great summary thank you, mine arrived today...... but will use them for NPCs or Mobs and see what happens. Good job you didn't lick your brush.
Not Once!!
I wonder if maybe you can use it like oils in the sense you coat the area, wait a while and then remove some one the highest points for a lighter shade/lighter stain.
I think they will be too inconsistent for that but it might be doable and maybe worth experimenting
Hmm, then why not just use oils?
Drying time maybe, but it's not as consistent and as easy to apply as oils, it's messy and weird.
I see this as not good or bad just as something that it does. It tells me that i can wet blend with this without having to rush myself and i know i can easily wipe away my mistakes and when its just how i want i can varnish it.
No, it's not intrinsically bad but it's something you NEED to be aware of in advance
@@JuanHidalgoMiniatures That i do fully agree with but knowing about it can expand what you can do with it and choosing to use the right paint for the right job.
Thanks for the review but seems Army Painter already had knowledge about reactivation and they are not hiding it. For example, on their last video about "5 tips to use SpeedPaint" at 1:28 they already talk about reactivation and recommend to varnish the mini before applying highlights for example.
Nevertheless, as your content seems very focused on Speed paint methodology, you earned new subscriber. I am going to introduce myself into the hobby and I don't pretend nothing else than standard tabletop minis for my boardgames. So, I stick to the army painter set when it comes in one month.
Hope you can use it again and share some technics as well.
Saludos
Army Painter released that video after this one, but yeah they knew just wasn't stated clearly form the very beginning.
As for more videos, maybe, we will see.
Thanks
Wow you are the very first person to show this issue with these new paints, hmmm....
What can I say, I'm an engineer mate, that just makes me better than anyone else! 😂😂
An excellent review Juan. Clarifying Speedpaints true purpose is excellent as many reviewers are comparing this product alongside Contrast Paint which isn't technically correct. I am a touch disappointed these aren't as stable as Contrast paint as I wanted some of those new colours and they look like they paint on beautifully.
I don't own an airbrush so I probably won't be purchasing these now (sad face).
Thanks for your time with this review dude 👍👏😊🖌️
Happy to help and you are correct, they are a very different product and it's important to understand that. Not bad, not worse, just different.
I wonder if you could use that reactivating nature like in water colors where you can lift some of the color out to create highlights 🤔
Maybe, it could be worth experimenting
What if you add vallejo flat or gloss coat to give the paint strength. Or some product similar. And have you tried airbrushing them yet.
You will probably mess up the chemistry and they won't be as easy to apply. And no, but they are essentially inks in that regard so they will perform perfectly well
First a question: Is Two Bits Later 25 Minutes???
Second: Thanks for the well thought out review. I personally am interested in SPEED PAINTS and would probably be using them in a similar fashion to how you do, (though not as masterfully as you do. It is great to see the strengths and limitations of the product up front so we can make the most informed choices. Thanks again...
Much appreciated mate, that's all I wanted to do, help people make the best informed choice possible.
The reactivation problem was a good thing for me. It made me invest in an airbrush at long last. I was a bit shocked to see my first painted figure smear out when I varnished it. But I still wanted to use them because they are so much better on surfaces with few textures than contrast paints.
Yeah, their application is so much easier, they do go on extremely smoothly.
Going to have to play with this. I've done some isopropyl alcohol reactivation of acrylics for certain effects or cleaning up contrast tide marks, so this is still a valid product for me. Especially for colored metallics on large vehicle surfaces.
But Army Painter communication on this issue has certainly been suboptimal.
Awesome, glad I could help
Great review and presentation. Interesting that they appear to be formulated to be used alone. I almost never apply a paint of any kind by itself, so that is a barrier to acquiring any Speed Paints. Maybe I could use them on wrapped handles or other smaller details as a one-and-done solution. But reactivation is something that would be a hassle for anything else, which is a shame as these colors look good and are much cheaper than GW.
Yeah that's my conclusion too
I'd love to see a video where you explain the "proper technique" of applying Contrast paints you mentioned here.
If it is already covered in another video just steer us to it :)
Thanks for great review!
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That's the one
@@JuanHidalgoMiniatures Thanks!
Happy to help 😘
Thank you for your honest review and your amazing videos, you are not only a great painter, but also an amazing content creator.
I've seen many other reviews reporting the reactivation issue during the last few weeks, and all of them have comments of people saying it's the only one telling that xD
To be true, I've known about the reactivation since I watched a review that experienced that issue many weeks ago, went to the reddit conversation, and people were talking about that and the varnish coat solution. For example, Watch It Paint It got awful results when using shade wash because reactivation (he didn't really know why at that moment) and talked about the reactivation issue in his video about multiple coats almost month ago, Squidmar briefly talked about the reactivation and some other issues in his review, more than a month ago AFAIR, and Goobertown informed about the reactivation issue in a follow up video a couple of weeks ago, trying brush on varnish and not having any issues.
Well, I think it comes to what you want to use the paints for, and if you want to use advanced techniques, Speedpaints are a bit messy and you will probably want to stick to Contrast. Many people will feel disappointed because they are hyped by the great initial feedback, but these paints look amazing to paint huge amounts of miniatures with tabletop / high-tabletop quality standard, just basecoat + drybrush or highlighting, like many people are using Contrast for. To me most Speedpaints darker colors look better and less patchy than Contrast, and it's apparently because the very same component that causes the reactivation. Bummer.
I think I will use a combination of both lines to paint the grey hordes because I don't even consider glazing for those, and will stick to regular paints and techniques for the best miniatures I want to expend many hours painting. It's a shame, I really wanted to get just Speedpaints because they mix better than Contrast to achieve new colors and are considerable cheaper, but there are many advanced things you can't do, and some of the colors look just better on the Citadel line.
Gracias guapetón 😘
My biggest concern is that the initial set of reviews pre sales never mentioned this issue and a lot of people have ordered them due to those overly hyped reviews and are now finding out these issue.
I really cannot understand how this wasn't highlighted as much as it should and not just randomly mentioned, I saw this in action when I was painting the squig and immediately I knew I needed to find out what was happening.
As content creators and as people with a voice and influence in the community is our DUTY to ensure when we make a review that anyone buying the product knows 100% all the caveats and issues said product can cause. It's very irresponsible not to highlight this issues with the importance that they deserve because you are essentially playing with people's money and you will cause more damage to the brand in the long run if you just create a bunch of dissatisfied customers.
Informing the viewers well, is a must to make everyone that want said product happy and also ensure their painting experience is as good as possible.
@@JuanHidalgoMiniatures yep, eso es! That's why your work is much appreciated. I've tried to expose my opinion as clear as possible, it's a little bit difficult writing it in English but yes, hype and preorders are big enemies of consumers (it happens many times, with other hobbies like board games and videogames also), it's better to not get carried by the hype train. The product doesn't seem bad at all, it looks pretty amazing for the thing it does IMO, but because some overly positive early reviews many people feel now disappointed it isn't "cheaper contrast". Those may have gotten many early views, but concern and honest content gets you loyal audience.
Also Overhyping something just because: GW eViL wAtCh mY vIdEo, is very dangerous.
You are just hurting the brand in them long term. It's better not to make a sale than to make it and the client feel misguided or cheated.
Gracias de nuevo, creeme, el primero estaba bien 😘
With contrast paints is zenithal prime makes much of a difference or is it not really? Going to be working with belakor from gw with contrasts my 1st time.
It does make a difference, whether you like that difference or not, that's another thing entirely
How easy do there reactivate? Would sweaty hands be enough for the paint to smudge or is it specifically water that does this?
Sweat will do it for sure, ALWAYS varnish over them but to be fair that also applies to all miniatures intended for gaming
Great video
Thanks
After talking with Army Painter at LVO when they had a public try out booth available, they know about the reactivation and consider it a feature, not a bug.
I understand what they are going for but I don't agree here. To me it's a bug for how I paint, BUT for someone that looks for a one coat solution, this is not necessarily an issue.
The problem comes when people buy them thinking they are one thing and then realize they are most definitely not that thing. Most important thing is to inform the viewers so they know what they are buying.
@@JuanHidalgoMiniatures - They mentioned it makes it easier to blend two colors, even after they've dried, eliminating some of the difficulties with wet blending. They also mentioned that if you're painting in a large batch or on a large model and have to stop, you can more easily blend the lines between the previously dried paint and the new application. I did some minor blending between colors when I tried it out myself, but didn't make note of anything being wet or dry when I did so. Just something to consider as well.
Very good video 👍
Thanks 😘
We would VERY MUCH like to watch you make an "Easy Contrast" video using these. (and only these, with acrylic highlights). Going all the way using just these to achieve that high level you always get with Contrasts, blending, mixing colors and feathering transitions, we would like to see how you deal the re-activation, if it happens at all. You are now our highest inspiration, main reference and favorite youtube channel for painting. The level of detail and tones you use, look like official box art and trailers.
Me and my girlfriend play a lot of Warhammer Underworlds and your videos inspire us to paint them just like that using these kind of paints, but we don't have Citadel Contrast paints available here in Brazil.. but what we DID managed to get was a Speedpaint Starter Kit and we are in love with it! We are doing lots of tests on proxies before getting serious on our Warhammer models, but we are already convinced it was worth it (even with this re-activation issue, these paints are still incredibly useful). We're getting the Mega Set next month for sure.
Thank you so much for your videos, it has been extremely, extremely helpful.
Thanks for the kind words. I will consider it promised