Russian-Georgian conflict explained (Abkhazia & South Ossetia)

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  • The 2008 Russo-Georgian war was an incredibly important event that shaped the geopolitics of the Caucasus region and Europe. The war began as a regional escalation in Georgia's separatist region of South Ossetia, but quickly evolved into a full-blown war with Russia and Abkhazia, Georgia's other separatist region. In the aftermath, Russia temporarily occupied parts of Georgia while Moscow also recognised South Ossetia and Abkhazia as independent states. Today, only four other UN member states do the same.
    The story behind the Russian Georgian conflict is very complicated and has only become more relevant as the war between Russia and Ukraine continues. Georgians, Abkhazians, Ossetians and Russians have a deeply intertwined, complex and often tragic history - from the early Middle Ages to the chaos of the 1990s.
    In this video, we explore the origins of this conflict and try to answer three questions: Who are the actors involved? Why did they fight? And how does the geopolitical conflict between Russia and the Western world influence this issue?
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    Time stamps:
    0:00 Introduction
    0:50 Broad history
    4:20 Soviet period
    5:07 After independence
    9:15 2008 war
    11:29 Situation today
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    Main Sources:
    Thomas de Waal (2019) The Caucasus: An Introduction. Oxford University Press.
    Donald Rayfield (2012) Edge of Empires: A History of Georgia. Reaction Books.
    John F. Baddeley (1999) The Russian Conquest of the Caucasus. Curzon Press.
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  • @PoliticswithPaint
    @PoliticswithPaint  11 місяців тому +167

    I hope you enjoyed this video! Please keep in mind that this is only a brief overview of an extremely complex issue. If you want to know more about Russian-Georgian conflict, check out the sources mentioned in the video and in the video description. Thank you for watching! Also, if you enjoy this kind of content, consider supporting me on Patreon ( www.patreon.com/politicswithpaint ) or as a channel member. Have a great day!

    • @Trolligi
      @Trolligi 11 місяців тому +3

      do you think an independent unified ossetia (south+north ossetia) can be achieved one day?

    • @GwainSagaFanChannel
      @GwainSagaFanChannel 11 місяців тому

      ​​​@@Trolligiunlikely since those are part of Georgia and are only created due to Russia smuggling in military equipment and personnel to fund a seperatist movement like it did in East-Ukraine.
      Edit: they are illegitimate funded seperatist movement which have no international support and after Russia lost the war to Ukraine will most likely be annexed by Georgia since they are part of Georgia and Russia wont be able to do anything about it

    • @giorgijioshvili9713
      @giorgijioshvili9713 11 місяців тому +8

      @@Trolligi no

    • @Ryong84
      @Ryong84 11 місяців тому +1

      georgia can't join nato due to it's lack of control of it's borders, that's why russia will never anex those 2 regions and leave them in a limbo state

    • @absentmindedshirokuma8539
      @absentmindedshirokuma8539 11 місяців тому

      ​​@@Trolligi not even Russia want those regions to be independent because it will encourage other ethnicity especially in caucasus Russia to seek their own independence as well, which would be disaster for Russia. See Chechen war.

  • @CruelPeach6
    @CruelPeach6 11 місяців тому +619

    “to peacefully evade taxes together” gotta be the most eastern european thing

    • @happyelephant5384
      @happyelephant5384 11 місяців тому +1

      The government pretenders it does a good job, we pretend we pay taxes for it, everyone lives short and unhappy life.
      © The tail of eastern europe

    • @ia285
      @ia285 11 місяців тому +11

      Georgia is in North West Asia, not Eastern Europe

    • @Juan-qu4oj
      @Juan-qu4oj 11 місяців тому

      @@ia285stfu

    • @ertitnoli9538
      @ertitnoli9538 11 місяців тому +54

      @@ia285 Georgia is eastern European country.

    • @ia285
      @ia285 11 місяців тому +16

      @@ertitnoli9538 how? It's to the east of Turkey. Georgians are genetically closer to Anatolians, Persians and Kurds than they are to Russians and Ukrainians and Greeks. Georgians have been in the Iranian sphere of influence throughout history. The name 'Georgia' itself derives from the Persian 'Gurg' which is 'wolf'. So aside from being Christian in a region that's mostly Muslim, how's Georgia 'European'?

  • @KarthikAyyalasomayajula
    @KarthikAyyalasomayajula 11 місяців тому +698

    Fun fact about Ossetians: Current they have probably the world's most successful neopagan movement. ~30% of North Ossetia follows Assianism, which is a reconstructed version of ancient Scythian mythology. Kinda crazy when you compare it to other neopagan movements which seem quite small in comparision

    • @donalddude7568
      @donalddude7568 11 місяців тому +112

      Good that they are keeping there Scythian/Aryan heritage alive.

    • @theunholyburger9338
      @theunholyburger9338 11 місяців тому +31

      80% of Altai people follow Bukhanism

    • @Nabium
      @Nabium 11 місяців тому +56

      I don't know if we can call it neo-pagan, or if it's better to say it's the only people in Europe which didn't fully get converted to an Abrahamic religion and that this religion is an unbroken continuation of paganism which has had a modern restructure and revival.

    • @d3thkn1ghtmcgee74
      @d3thkn1ghtmcgee74 11 місяців тому +24

      ​@@Nabium that is what neo pagan means. A reconstruction of old beliefs with partial information to work with.

    • @Nabium
      @Nabium 11 місяців тому +41

      @@d3thkn1ghtmcgee74 Exactly. And this religion is _not_ reconstructed, therefore it's not neo-paganism. It's just paganism.
      I don't think you understood what I said at all, mr McGee.

  • @tomithy-6253
    @tomithy-6253 11 місяців тому +610

    I did my dissertation on Abkhazia and South Ossetia and the main difference in structure between the two is that Abkhazia has a somewhat functional democracy and state institutions. South Ossetia on the other hand is little more than a Russian military base ran by the local mafia and with an economy dependent on the black market

    • @LionKing-ew9rm
      @LionKing-ew9rm 11 місяців тому +55

      Wonder if S.Ossetia being a landlocked country with less than 100k people contributes to the situation

    • @tomithy-6253
      @tomithy-6253 11 місяців тому +105

      @@LionKing-ew9rm oh absolutely, South Ossetia is very isolated and may as well be an island with one road major from Russia and some air travel. Add the Caucasus mountains and the militarised Georgian border and it’s easy to see that the South Ossetian state building project was hamstrung from the start. Abkhazia has 4x the population and makes an effort on the diplomatic stage. Although the two are often lumped together for understandable reasons, their realities could not be further apart

    • @azorahai7837
      @azorahai7837 11 місяців тому +45

      @@LionKing-ew9rm S.Ossetia is something like a Russian version of "Manifest destiny". Invade, kick natives, make land yours. Basically, natives (Georgians) lived in the area for centuries but then Soviets sent immigrants from the north there. After the fall of USSR, Ossetians were no longer a minority in the area and they used this as an excuse to be recognized as independent. Obviously this was infuriating for Georgians who for some ludicrous reason had to basically give up own land to people who settled in the area only recently. Conflicts arose and Russia sent "peacekeepers" who were stationed there as a landmine to Georgia. Georgia triggered this landmine in 2008 and Russia invaded using "Georgia attacked Russians" as an excuse, as well as mandatory "we came to protect women and children from Nazis" agenda. After 2008 native Georgians were kicked out entirely and unsurprisingly native-Russians from N.Ossetia would want to be part of Russia. Who wouldn't want free s**t they stole from someone else, right?

    • @afrolitious7930
      @afrolitious7930 11 місяців тому +152

      ​@@azorahai7837 everything you wrote here is nonsense. Georgia is not ethnically homogenous. The natives of South Ossetia, the Ossetians, have LONG hated being in Georgia. It's a conflict that only was quelled when they were all in the Soviet union. Once the union collapsed they declared independence in 1991. Nothing like manifest destiny here. Not everything is Akin to America's genocidal takeover.

    • @yendevus1747
      @yendevus1747 11 місяців тому

      ​@@afrolitious7930 Look at this afro-russian jumping in to protect his imperialistic daddy Russia 😂😂😂

  • @giorgialadashvili4771
    @giorgialadashvili4771 11 місяців тому +63

    You completely forgot to mention the senseless Georgian Civil War that heavily exacerbated Georgian war effort and played a key role.

    • @MonsterMAXX
      @MonsterMAXX Місяць тому +4

      And change of government in 2012

  • @SmokeDimi
    @SmokeDimi 11 місяців тому +240

    I was surprised how balanced and informative this video was. Rare in these times.

    • @azanudniy
      @azanudniy 11 місяців тому +34

      Is this a joke? He did not mention Western interference in this story at all. And this is the key point.
      Saakashvili came to power as a result of a coup organized by the United States. And in April 2008, six months before the war, there was a NATO summit in Bucharest, at which it was announced that Georgia and Ukraine would join NATO.
      That's what this war was really about. And ethnic conflicts are just an excuse.

    • @eduardog3000
      @eduardog3000 10 місяців тому +5

      @@azanudniy He doesn't mention that the Rose Revolution which is pretty important to know. But he did mention the NATO summit at 9:04.

    • @lovebaltazar4610
      @lovebaltazar4610 10 місяців тому

      @@azanudniy Sounds like complete bs, there was no US coup, look up "Rose revolution"

    • @andromeda8013
      @andromeda8013 10 місяців тому +1

      ​@@azanudniy и тут ната винавата

    • @heyhoe168
      @heyhoe168 10 місяців тому +4

      @@andromeda8013 мммм, США еще лет пять потом скулили что РФ должна вернуть американское оружие, захваченное в Грузии.

  • @coolgeographyandstuff
    @coolgeographyandstuff 11 місяців тому +334

    As a Georgian, I can say without question that this is the best video about the conflict I've seen. I grew up next to a bunch of abandoned apartments where refugees from Abkhazia came during the 1991-93 war and the effects are seen all throughout Georgia. Thank you for this great video, you've gained a new loyal sub.

    • @FingerPrinces
      @FingerPrinces 11 місяців тому +13

      Same feeling for this cip from Russia.

    • @bruh87877
      @bruh87877 11 місяців тому +30

      კარგად ხარ? ლამის ყველაფერი გამაზა, ისიც არ ახსენა რომ რუსებმა სოხუმი დაბომბეს

    • @somestuff7876
      @somestuff7876 11 місяців тому +25

      As a Russian, idk if this video is accurate, but it feels accurate tbh.
      On a personal level, I went to school, in the late 90s, with Abkhazian refugees (in Rostov) that didn't look forward to returning home and didn't care about state of Abkhazia itself, but felt strongly about Georgians.
      During conflict, I felt that Putin's gang was 100% in the wrong. 2014 put alot in the perspective in comparison... "at least in 2008 there were some nobel reason to hide behind, but it's definitely should have been done through UN. Period".
      I would say one thing, I didn't expect that people of Georgia would be okay with Russians running from fascist regime and/or from mobilization to Georgia. Massive respect for that.

    • @FingerPrinces
      @FingerPrinces 11 місяців тому

      @@somestuff7876 чешка ты навальная, вырусь, как и те что в хохляндии, как и те что свалили. Вы не Русские, и права себя таковыми считать называться так не имеете)

    • @lashamelashvili7294
      @lashamelashvili7294 11 місяців тому +8

      you are not georgian.

  • @jamesbissonette
    @jamesbissonette 11 місяців тому +382

    It's worth noting that all of these illegal secessions are made available to basically everyone after allowing Kosovo to illegally separate. Interestingly, all these breakaway states are against any UN law or approval (Abkhazia, Kosovo, Donbass, Western Sahara, etc.).

    • @finnbulus
      @finnbulus 11 місяців тому +133

      It's James! The famous Patreon! Yo!

    • @jamesbissonette
      @jamesbissonette 11 місяців тому +97

      ​@@finnbulus You have good taste in history videos, sir.

    • @G.A.C_Preserve
      @G.A.C_Preserve 11 місяців тому +33

      That's because Russia invade it not actually separatist

    • @fritoss3437
      @fritoss3437 11 місяців тому +18

      Are you the real James bisonette

    • @peterfireflylund
      @peterfireflylund 11 місяців тому +13

      It boggles the mind that anybody would accord any degree of rights to Serbia.

  • @recalcitrate1688
    @recalcitrate1688 10 місяців тому +16

    Abkhazians, the word coming from ფხა (fish skeleton), are Georgians. The people you mention as Abkhazians are actually Absuas (Abazgs). The Russians forced them to live in Abkhazia and call them Absuas because of the similarity of their names. South Ossetia is named after the region of Ossetia in the North Caucasus. The two regions were not connected until the construction of a tunnel in the late 1920s. The name of the territory that South Ossetia claims to be is originally Samachablo. The entire occupied territory is the Tskhinvali region, which South Ossetia proclaimed. However, their maps do not even recognize this absurdity.

    • @berniko4954
      @berniko4954 9 місяців тому +6

      True, also Abkhazia means "over the side"

    • @sashaswan-nq1ov
      @sashaswan-nq1ov 5 місяців тому

      Не заговаривай зубы! Надо было аланам и сарматам вас всех выгнать в свое время, а то на рожон залезли, геноциды один за другим устраивают. Людей из себя сделайте, а то мычите только. Осетины вам геноцид столетней давности простили, мирно жили, этот не прощаем! Не хотим с вами в одном государство жить, ну хот давитесь, но проглотите это!

    • @PanZerV
      @PanZerV 5 днів тому +1

      they have lived there for the same time as you have

  • @LostInForums
    @LostInForums 11 місяців тому +39

    6:47 "To peacefully evade taxes together"
    The one thing that brings everyone together.

    • @mro9466
      @mro9466 16 днів тому +1

      War is disgusting, but Taxes are the true evil.

  • @Adriaticus
    @Adriaticus 11 місяців тому +58

    Amazing video, usually cant fully sit through 15-20 minute video's but this one was great!

  • @LivingIronicallyinEurope
    @LivingIronicallyinEurope 11 місяців тому +50

    Ayyyyyyy new video

    • @Computment
      @Computment 5 місяців тому +1

      No way balkaner spotted 🇮🇲🙋🏻‍♂️

  • @StateoftheWorld
    @StateoftheWorld 11 місяців тому +3

    FINALLY a new video, so happy to see it man

  • @scrumlife9345
    @scrumlife9345 11 місяців тому +7

    ❤❤❤ thanks been waiting for this

  • @Kralchen
    @Kralchen 11 місяців тому +116

    Great watch. Reality is always more complex, but you have a talent for presenting it in a digestible and in my opinion fair manner

  • @Grey_Pigeon
    @Grey_Pigeon 11 місяців тому +7

    Thank you for such a great historic video it helped me a lot to understand what is Georgia and others

  • @srinivasarao4514
    @srinivasarao4514 11 місяців тому +11

    SUPER VIDEO BROTHER NICE KEEP IT UP 👍🏻

  • @maximsiddy40
    @maximsiddy40 11 місяців тому +22

    Excellent video, well balanced and straight to the main problems in the region! Thumbs up!

  • @BelkanMadlad
    @BelkanMadlad 11 місяців тому +27

    Would really like a video about the Iran-Iraq War, which would then eventually lead into the Gulf War. I feel like both deserve a video, or maybe even a two-part special.

  • @doraemon402
    @doraemon402 11 місяців тому +20

    Hey, I must say I enjoyed this video. I found it pretty unbiased and informative, which is usually not the case when it comes to these types of videos. Wish you luck with the channel.

  • @thesovis
    @thesovis 11 місяців тому +25

    You've made surprisingly good video on this subject (that's rare). Never knew about you channel before; definitely will subscribe!
    I remember the mess of growing up in 90s Georgia. But for last 20 years it's way better.
    Wish you 1M subscribers by the end of 2023!

  • @isopropylalcohol2701
    @isopropylalcohol2701 11 місяців тому +123

    As a georgian i must say your video was very, very accurate representation of georgian history and modern politics, im very impressed. Will follow and support your channel through once you inevitably reach fame 😎

    • @apineapple3177
      @apineapple3177 11 місяців тому

      👍

    • @kakhasukhitashvili5617
      @kakhasukhitashvili5617 11 місяців тому

      რა არის სწორი? საერთოდ არაფერია ნათქვამი რაც რეალურობასთან ახლოსაა. ისიც კი არ არის ნათქვამი რომ რუსეთი ოკუპანტია და ომი დაიწყეს ჩვენს საკუთარ ტერიტორიაზე. რა აფხაზები რის აფხაზები, ესენი არიან აფსუები და აფხაზეთის სახელი აქვთ მიწერილი. აფხაზეთი არის საქართველოს კუთხე როგორც სამეგრელო და ცხოვრობენ აფხაზები. აფსუები არიან ჩამოსახლებული რუსეთის მიერ და სეპარატისტები არიან. რა ურთიერთობები თბება ამას შიგ ხო არ აქვს (ვიდეოს ავტორს). ქვეყანა დაგვატყნეს და ტიპმა ურთიერთობები დათბა და მეგობრობენო რამის თქვა

    • @gigachaduneli1121
      @gigachaduneli1121 11 місяців тому +12

      რა აღწერა სწორად საერთოდ არაფერი თქვა ოსები რომ თვეები ბომბავდენ ქართულ სოფლებს და პროვოკაციას პროვოკაციაზე აწყობდნენ. ასევე სიტყვა არ უთქვამს რომ 58ე არმია კაი ხნის გაზმადებული იყო შემოჭრისთვის.

    • @al1sa920
      @al1sa920 11 місяців тому +2

      @@gigachaduneli1121 so 58th army invaded Ossetia… which was already controlled by Ossetian militia with Russian peacekeepers?

    • @gigachaduneli1121
      @gigachaduneli1121 11 місяців тому +13

      @@al1sa920 there is no ossetia. Its georgian territory.

  • @peterm.2385
    @peterm.2385 11 місяців тому +3

    I hope that we don’t have do wait "some years" for the next video 😉
    Great work!

  • @PyroNexus22
    @PyroNexus22 11 місяців тому +5

    Great video! I hope you make more about the Caucasus.

  • @Noeffort710
    @Noeffort710 7 місяців тому +3

    Very good video going to check out your others actually gave me a sense of unbiased reporting which is so rare nowadays

  • @user-nl6zv6hz6x
    @user-nl6zv6hz6x 11 місяців тому +3

    Very accurate video. It was interesting to see.

  • @familygash7500
    @familygash7500 6 місяців тому +8

    *THE WEST:* We firmly believe in the right to self-determination, so The Kosovars have the right to secede from Serbia if they want to!
    *ALSO THE WEST:* The Abkazians and South Ossetians shall be under Georgian rule, whether they like it or not!

    • @YujiroHanmaaaa
      @YujiroHanmaaaa 5 місяців тому +1

      Do you know that Russia wants to annex Abkazians and South Ossetians? Russia doesn't care about independece otherwise Chechnya and Dagistan alongside many russian Regions would be split now. Russia financed pro-russian seperatists in Abkhasia and South Ossetia to have them try to break away from Georgia, they failed, so Russia stepped in.

    • @kingcobra8840
      @kingcobra8840 2 місяці тому

      ​@@YujiroHanmaaaa just because Russia came to the aid of Abkhazia and south Ossetia doesn't mean they would be hypocritical if they didn't give up some of their ethnic minority territory

    • @PanZerV
      @PanZerV 5 днів тому

      @@YujiroHanmaaaa this is wrong, they succeeded in 1993

  • @Buffalo_Soldier
    @Buffalo_Soldier 11 місяців тому +20

    ofc Georgia won't send military equipment to Ukraine. That's understandable and to be expected. They are surrounded by bigger and stronger countries and they need their forces in their country.

    • @Qartlos
      @Qartlos 11 місяців тому

      Nah, we would but our government is corrupt and pro-russian

    • @drerri
      @drerri 10 місяців тому

      That is not the reason. The reason is the georgian government is corrupt to the bone and in russias pocket.

    • @Nightshadow3_7
      @Nightshadow3_7 10 місяців тому +7

      We do not have much to offer anyway 😂😶

    • @pwzone3132
      @pwzone3132 13 днів тому

      Probably they learn from their mistakes. But I’m not sure when I see what happens now in Georgia

  • @sectorsweep14
    @sectorsweep14 9 місяців тому +3

    Excellent video, just subscribed ,
    👍🏻

  • @Eltar_
    @Eltar_ 11 місяців тому +43

    "Politics with Paint"
    -Austrian guy

    • @Kaiserboo1871
      @Kaiserboo1871 11 місяців тому

      - Funny Mustache Man

    • @chalicotheremapping8921
      @chalicotheremapping8921 Місяць тому +1

      Hopefully his UA-cam channel does well so he doesn’t pursue other interests

    • @mdjey2
      @mdjey2 4 дні тому

      And Gattsu is growing his moustache too. Oh no!

  • @KarthikAyyalasomayajula
    @KarthikAyyalasomayajula 11 місяців тому +163

    Thank you for covering this! I knew that the Ossetians wanted to be annexed into Russia while the Abhkazians don't, but I never knew that the Abkhazians historically had such bad relations with Russia

    • @GwainSagaFanChannel
      @GwainSagaFanChannel 11 місяців тому +36

      Chechnya is another example of a state who does not want to be part of Russia declared independence after fall USSR but later on got annexed back into Russia by military invasion there are quite a lot of independence movements in Russian Caucasus region but they are mostly supressed by Russia like other independence movements in Siberia since Russia does not want to risk granting independence since it fears that means every region would break away from Moscows controll since a lot of Russia currently occupies are modernday colonies who have no autonomy and are dominated by Russian minority

    • @user-nl6zv6hz6x
      @user-nl6zv6hz6x 11 місяців тому +33

      I was in Abkhazia just a week ago, I will say that Russians are only expected there as tourists and they do not want Russian business to interfere. They are afraid of Georgians and want to be independent.

    • @EuropeanAndrew
      @EuropeanAndrew 11 місяців тому

      Unfortunately they are brainwashed by Russians

    • @elseggs6504
      @elseggs6504 11 місяців тому

      ​@@GwainSagaFanChannel Or perhaps they simply dont tolerate seperatism cause thats the norm for every country.
      Look at America: If Texas was to tell its government to go fuck themselves (3rd time lol), dont you think the Feds would do something about it?
      Or Mexico with Yucatan. Or Spain with Catalonia.
      Believe it or not, Russia isnt *that* different

    • @MrDididevi
      @MrDididevi 11 місяців тому +6

      Also, they historically had good relations with Georgians

  • @unexpected53
    @unexpected53 9 місяців тому +7

    I really loved how you explained this everything in such details great video loved it!

  • @azorahai7837
    @azorahai7837 11 місяців тому +31

    Very informative and unbiased. 👍

  • @VrasterYT
    @VrasterYT 11 місяців тому +61

    Cool video also can you make a video about the western Sahara conflict?

    • @concept5631
      @concept5631 11 місяців тому

      Good call

    • @GwainSagaFanChannel
      @GwainSagaFanChannel 11 місяців тому +3

      In short: Western Sahara and Northern Morroco were a Spanish colony and Morocco a French colony. Morrocco claimed both Spanish colonies since it was prior to European colonization one country. Due to Western Sahara having a very small population only a friction compared to Morocco it was easily out beaten and annexed. Spain also lost a war to Morocco being forced to abandon its Northern African colonies only being left with some port cities in the North of Morocco.
      Edit: majority of African Union does not recognize Morrocan occupation of Western Sahara while NATO and EU support Morroco especially my country the Netherlands which signed a deal with Morroco (this is quite controversial over here but the deal was a result to better handle Morrocan criminals who left Netherlands to Morroco and were unable to be arrested until the deal that was made which allowed them to be arrested since there is a quite large Morrocan maffia network here since there lives a lot of Morrocan people here who were original work migrants who did not return home)

    • @AL-lh2ht
      @AL-lh2ht 11 місяців тому

      ⁠​⁠@@GwainSagaFanChannel to add another country Mauritania also invaded but lost or Morocco.
      To make the sustain more convoluted the Western Sahara autonomous government still countries a part of it and mostly exists in a artificially created refuge camp town supplied and kept by the UN. In addition Algeria also supplies and houses people who want autonomy.
      So this issue is being used as a proxy conflict between nations. Just very slow.
      Also the population of Moroccan nationals have become much higher then the local Bedouin groups, which also are often semi stateless and travels between nations being nomadic.
      Making this also slightly funny, the region is basically worthless economically. This whole thing is being done purely for pride, imperialism, and proxy conflicts.
      Making it even conflict is Morocco is super pro western and was First Nation to have a friendship agreement with the US. Yes Morocco is yeh US’s first friend.

  • @AyaanleCabdi-nt4dy
    @AyaanleCabdi-nt4dy 11 місяців тому +7

    This is very amazing video and it explain alot concerning georgia and it's hostal geographical spot of the would , the selve independent states in the country go back to the history of region thanks alot

  • @Oropher420
    @Oropher420 11 місяців тому +48

    Georgia is basically the Poland of Caucasia.

    • @jackhardy3905
      @jackhardy3905 11 місяців тому +8

      No it's Bosnia

    • @iraklimaglakelidze7469
      @iraklimaglakelidze7469 11 місяців тому +13

      No, it's more like Serbia.

    • @tavarix5893
      @tavarix5893 11 місяців тому +3

      I would say caucasians are caucasians 😆

    • @simkelacasa
      @simkelacasa 11 місяців тому +13

      ​@@iraklimaglakelidze7469exactly. We both lost territories because of superpowers interests.

    • @thelobbyofhobbies3244
      @thelobbyofhobbies3244 11 місяців тому +3

      @@simkelacasa You lost territory because you were committing genocide on unarmed civilians in Bosnia and Kosovo

  • @outerspace7391
    @outerspace7391 11 місяців тому +27

    13:50 the question here itself is problematic, as there were no plans by either side for an Abhazian annexation, not even proposals. Alania was the only place that asked Russia to integrate it, but that's still hasn't been decided yet and it seems unlikely anyway

    • @gigachaduneli1121
      @gigachaduneli1121 11 місяців тому

      If russia push anexation today, it will definitly escalate situation in georgia, which is last thing russia wants now with its war in ukraine. Last year south ossetia asked to be annexed by russia but russia indirectly told them to f*ck off.

    • @a.nameless.monster.
      @a.nameless.monster. 10 місяців тому +1

      this is simple actually. if Russia had not started a war, there would have been no war. 😃

    • @outerspace7391
      @outerspace7391 10 місяців тому +10

      @@a.nameless.monster. yup, that proves once again that if you have childish understanding of geopolitics, you should just give it up from even trying to talk about it in the first place

    • @a.nameless.monster.
      @a.nameless.monster. 10 місяців тому +1

      @@outerspace7391 tell me also that the situation with the Russian-Ukrainian war is ambiguous.

    • @maksgame4159
      @maksgame4159 10 місяців тому +8

      ​@@a.nameless.monster.But the war in 2008 started with the invasion of georgians in Tskhinvali...

  • @hater9117
    @hater9117 11 місяців тому +23

    as a georgian myself (Macon county) I dont remember any of this ever happening, is abkasia close to savannah?

    • @kelvindavis172
      @kelvindavis172 11 місяців тому +6

      Considering Abkhazia is in northwest Georgia, it's closer to Atlanta than it is to Savannah. 😉

  • @williamshortfilm5818
    @williamshortfilm5818 11 місяців тому +3

    Very good video!

  • @markdowding5737
    @markdowding5737 11 місяців тому +59

    Great video. I feel you provided a very balanced view of the conflict while providing enough historical context to get a deeper understanding of it. Just a little nitpick, you could have also discussed the legality of Abckazia and South Ossetia's declaration of independence and how it would fit in the context of the dissolution of the Soviet Union. One relevant document worth discussing would be the "LAW ON PROCEDURE FOR RESOLVING QUESTIONS CONNECTED WITH A UNION REPUBLIC’S SECESSION FROM THE USSR. APRIL 3, 1990" which apparently gave the right to the autonomous regions within the socialist republics to separately decide their own future in the event of their parent entities deciding to leave the union:
    ""Article 3. In a Union republic which includes within its structure autonomous republics, autonomous oblasts, or autonomous okrugs, the referendum is held separately for each autonomous formation. The people of autonomous republics and autonomous formations retain the right to decide independently the question of remaining within the USSR or within the seceding Union republic, and also to raise the question of their own state-legal status. In a Union republic on whose territory there are places densely populated by ethnic groups constituting a majority of the population of the locality in question, the results of the voting in these localities are recorded separately when the results of the referendum are being determined."

    • @temog3804
      @temog3804 11 місяців тому +2

      Considering that Georgia declared "restoring" its independence in accordance with the 1921 constitution, this argument would not stand, as there was no Abkhazia or South Ossetia A. Republics back than, which by the way was confirmed by RSFSR when it signed a peace treaty with Georgian Democratic Republic and recognized it as an independent state in 1920 based on the treaty of Moscow, which Russia, unsurprisingly, violated when it invaded several moths later.

    • @markdowding5737
      @markdowding5737 11 місяців тому +24

      @@temog3804 " Georgia declared "restoring" its independence in accordance with the 1921" I mean, do they even have the legitimacy to do so? They cannot simply disregard the new developments the previous 70 years provided. Also, saying that South Ossetia and Abkhazia did not exist back then is false. South Ossetia even declared its independence from Georgia in 1920, one year before Russia invaded the country and properly established South Ossetia as an autonomous region within Georgia. Regardless of how one might feel toward Russia, I fail to see how the cases of Abkhazia and South Ossetia are substantially different from Kosovo.

    • @Dotlb
      @Dotlb 11 місяців тому +2

      @@markdowding5737 It does not matter, even if it was brought to voting in referendum of independence, demographically Georgians were majority in the region at that time, so region would have voted to stay in Georgia. Check the demographic composition of the place in 1990 before the fall of USSR. For the contrast 300 000 Georgians were expelled during the conflict, nowadays there are less than 100k Abkhaz in region (as data its not properly available it is safe to assume that it was lower than), and there is still Georgian population there till today.
      Short answer, proper independence referendum (without Russia's intervention) would have left the region in Georgia. Also u should consider that these regions were always part of big plan, as they served as ticking time bombs in case USSR fell. These regions would have served, as they do right now to influence post soviet politics in these countries. Why would Abkhazians seek Russian friendship when historically they were the first enemies, due to what Russia did to Circassia, fact is that it was structured that way and than time came Russia used what they planted for 70 years.

    • @markdowding5737
      @markdowding5737 11 місяців тому +8

      @@Dotlb "Demographically Georgians were the majority in the region at that time" Sure, that was the case for Abckazia but not South Ossetia, where Ossetians constituted 66% of the total population in 1989. Even in Abckazia's case, it's not so clear if the region would have voted to stay in Georgia, as despite Georgians being the majority with 45% of the population, there were other sizable minorities like Armenians and Russians who could have plausibly (and even likely) have voted in the Abckazians side. "Why would Abkhazians seek Russian friendship when historically they were the first enemies, due to what Russia did to Circassia" Things change. Germany tried to completely genocide the Jewish population of Europe and now both Israel and Germany have pretty good relations. I am not saying that Russia is not using these separatist regions for its own geopolitical gains, but then again, everyone does that.

    • @Dotlb
      @Dotlb 11 місяців тому +2

      @@markdowding5737 yea maybe u are right and maybe not, we will never know. The fact is that all the legalities and factual points lose meaning here, whole situation was used by Russia for geopolitical points and powers. They would not have allowed a chance for proper peaceful transition from soviet to independent country and they used what they had. Internally on both sides all these warlords and politicians were ex-KGB agents and lot of influence/escalation during this period came from their "Stupid" actions and we got what we got in the end.

  • @IPangkhor
    @IPangkhor 7 місяців тому

    Damn. Pretty awesome and educational. 🤙🏼

  • @superduck4945
    @superduck4945 11 місяців тому +74

    As a georgian myself i found this video quite informative but i belive you should have delved into gamsakhurdia. I am saying this because most people here nowadays belive it all started from him

    • @PoliticswithPaint
      @PoliticswithPaint  11 місяців тому +51

      I originally had a section on Gamsakhurdia and what happened in Mingrelia but in the end decided to cut because it would have made the video a lot longer and probably too confusing for people who are not deep into Georgian history. But its definitely an important piece of history to look at for people who like to know more in-depth things about Georgia than what my video showed.

    • @s_t102
      @s_t102 11 місяців тому +17

      Gamsakhurdia was a delusional zealot. His insulting statements on Abkhazian ethnicity, while not the only reason, were a major cause why Abkhazian conflict happened.

    • @brick647
      @brick647 11 місяців тому +9

      @@s_t102 wtf do u mean? it all started by shevardnadze, after they won civil war and replaced government, he instantly stole abkhazias autonomy and declared it as fully part of georgia which is what sparked war between us.

    • @s_t102
      @s_t102 11 місяців тому +1

      Shevy was a true politican unlike him boys, we all gotta admit it. Go see what Gamsakhurdia was saying about Abkhazians in front of the parliament. And if Shevy "stole Autonomy" from them, you probably never heard Gamsakhurdia saying that Adjara's autonomy should've also been ceased.

    • @brick647
      @brick647 11 місяців тому +1

      @@s_t102 yes ik, none of them were great, but i said main thing of what caused the war

  • @abkhazec
    @abkhazec 10 місяців тому +132

    As an Abkhazian I wanna say it’s funny how west countries recognized Kosovo, but not Abkhazia. And really funny how Georgia allowed to claim it’s independency from USSR, but the same time Abkhazia wasn’t allowed to do the same from Georgia. Btw Principality of Abkhazia became part of Russian Empire before Kingdom of Georgia

    • @gerardpooque7383
      @gerardpooque7383 10 місяців тому +10

      as an abkhazian I wanna say: emm, what? Abkhazian principality was nearly the last one from Caucasus who became a part of Russian empire. Moreover this was only our government who decided to. Our people still fought and gave their lives for indpendence of Abkhazia. While georgians (Kartli-Kakheti, Mingrelian principality etc.) signed treaties with Russian Empire and fought on their side against other caucasians during the whole Caucasian war.

    • @abkhazec
      @abkhazec 10 місяців тому +13

      @@gerardpooque7383 it became a part of Russian empire in 1810. The official ruler of Abkhazia agreed to terms, but a lot of people refused. So therefore during war of Caucasus they were sent off from Abkhazia.

    • @giorgijioshvili9713
      @giorgijioshvili9713 10 місяців тому

      Lol because majority of Abkhazia didnt want to be independent only the russian backed separatists also kingdom of Georgia stopped existing 1490 you dont even know history so stop spreading your idiotic propaganda

    • @georgianballmapping0
      @georgianballmapping0 10 місяців тому +10

      As a Georgian I think you guys deserve independence. I wish more countries recognized you

    • @giorgijioshvili9713
      @giorgijioshvili9713 10 місяців тому +16

      @@georgianballmapping0 As a Georgian i highly disagree with you, and entire country will disagree with you, stop being edgy

  • @smaza2
    @smaza2 11 місяців тому +18

    i've read that another factor in why russia hasn't so far annexed south ossetia is that russia is very keen on having naturally defensible borders because of its long history of being invaded in all directions through the european plain (which is why it wants to expand to occupy as much of it as possible in both siberia and europe) there is a mountain range separating the north caucuses from the south caucuses and if russian territory spills over into the south that leaves it with a border that has to be defended with troops, whereas keeping it as a separatist territory acts more like a buffer state. not sure how accurate this theory is but i can see the logic in it

    • @Ocelot835
      @Ocelot835 11 місяців тому +3

      I always thought it was more for strategic reasons - if there are still breakaway states that your neighbor doesn't recognize its legally impossible for them to side with your geopolitical rivals (i.e. joining NATO) due to fear of provoking another major conflict. The best they could do is stay neutral and hope that in future the resolution for the frozen dispute would be eventually found by itself, which is still big win for Russian geopolitical interests. It worked fine with Moldova since 90's, same was with Georgia at the time. And only with Ukraine this strategy showed cracks

    • @user-nr6mi4xi8k
      @user-nr6mi4xi8k 11 місяців тому +1

      @@Ocelot835 Ukraine has no disputed territories.
      And they did not prevent Turkey from joining NATO (sudden Northern Cyprus).

    • @Ocelot835
      @Ocelot835 11 місяців тому +4

      @@user-nr6mi4xi8k They have and its called Crimea and Donbass. And Turkey was already part of NATO decades before their invasion of Cyprus

    • @user-nr6mi4xi8k
      @user-nr6mi4xi8k 11 місяців тому

      @@Ocelot835 Ah, Turkey is even more interesting than I expected, heh.
      In fact, it is clear that the unresolved territorial conflict is just a very convenient lever of pressure, heh.

    • @rodjarrow6575
      @rodjarrow6575 10 місяців тому

      @smaza2 You have written nonsense, propaganda of lies about Russia based on your ignorance

  • @Hamsteak
    @Hamsteak 10 місяців тому +3

    Agh I hate waiting in Airport lines lol. Lol thanks for adding me to the skit ❤😂

  • @johnxina53
    @johnxina53 11 місяців тому +45

    I'm Osetian here and I have to say this video is the best one depicting this conflict. Great work there

    • @MishaJanik
      @MishaJanik 11 місяців тому +4

      Are you speak Ossetian?

    • @Pavelgon4ik
      @Pavelgon4ik 11 місяців тому

      Not to worry, you will banish russian occupants from your land!

    • @insaneclownponies9599
      @insaneclownponies9599 11 місяців тому +21

      Are you sure you're Ossetian and not just a russian colonist?

    • @johnxina53
      @johnxina53 11 місяців тому +1

      @@insaneclownponies9599 are you sure that's an appropriate question? I couldn't care less what you think I am. Your opinion is kind of irrelevant anyway

    • @binskiy2626
      @binskiy2626 11 місяців тому

      @@insaneclownponies9599 Listen, I propose to transfer power in the United States to native Americans, since the current US government consists of descendants of colonialists, and therefore has no right to participate in state politics. Down with colonialism!

  • @LegaliseFinland
    @LegaliseFinland 11 місяців тому +8

    Good job on this educational and entertaining video, you have gained a new subscriber :)

  • @unguidedamateur7744
    @unguidedamateur7744 10 місяців тому +28

    1. US-backed coup
    2. State support for unhealthy nationalism
    3. Military provocations.
    No, this is not about Georgia in 2008, this is about Ukraine.
    Interesting fact. Mikheil Saakashvili (President of Georgia) subsequently fled to Ukraine, where he received not the last political positions, including being the mayor of Odessa and an adviser to the president. So many interesting coincidences
    Good video. Thanks for not being bias towards Russia

    • @kxkxsjk2
      @kxkxsjk2 9 місяців тому

      Yeah, this video definitely not biased and provided all points of view on these conflicts

    • @user-cm1uu6zq3k
      @user-cm1uu6zq3k 9 місяців тому +1

      И ещё, они оба под кайфом 😁🤷Совпадение?

    • @MarkLee1
      @MarkLee1 9 місяців тому +1

      What’s wrong with being biased towards Russia? Russia seems to be the only one actually trying to help all sides of the conflict, unlike USA and nato, which always “helps” by sucking helpless countries dry and leaving them with civil wars and terrorists running around (Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Lebanon, Syria, etc).

    • @mdjey2
      @mdjey2 4 дні тому

      All made up fiction. Do you even believe what you wrote. 🤣

  • @ThePussukka
    @ThePussukka 11 місяців тому +3

    superb channel

  • @Tryhard_TJ
    @Tryhard_TJ 11 місяців тому +2

    I like the addiction of eu4 sound effects but the war declaration one scared me a little because I had the game open and thought I hadn't paused the game.

  • @mahamoustafa2286
    @mahamoustafa2286 10 місяців тому +1

    A very informative video 👍🏻 but I really wanted to visit Georgia this next week with my family 🤔 do you think that is a good idea ?specially after what happened today in Russia ? I am very worried and concerned for everyone safety

    • @gurammarzakulov8516
      @gurammarzakulov8516 10 місяців тому

      it surely is a good place to visit

    • @aperson6799
      @aperson6799 2 місяці тому +1

      It is a perfectly safe place for tourists to travel. Russia isn’t going to invade Georgia again as they basically control the government anyway. Just practice typical safety measures and you will have an amazing time

  • @DaTrainMan
    @DaTrainMan 9 місяців тому +6

    thank you for making this. i hope one day abkhazia and south ossetia move back with georgia. its my dream

  • @joeyjojojrshabadoo7462
    @joeyjojojrshabadoo7462 11 місяців тому +52

    Now the dust has settled I'm sure we can discuss this conflict reasonably and in good faith.

    • @tedrash7402
      @tedrash7402 11 місяців тому +43

      good joke

    • @greengarnish1711
      @greengarnish1711 11 місяців тому +5

      Yeah right lmao

    • @GwainSagaFanChannel
      @GwainSagaFanChannel 11 місяців тому

      If Russia only stops funding seperatist movements and stops sending in its own army to support those "independence movements"

    • @mnemonicpie
      @mnemonicpie 11 місяців тому

      No, Georgians still dream about becoming NATO polygon

    • @John.McMillan
      @John.McMillan 11 місяців тому

      Yea right. Russia bad, we can never accept Russia isn't the boogey man of Eroupe and acknowledge that Georgia instigated the war

  • @JulianPHarri
    @JulianPHarri 10 місяців тому +20

    This video even gave me tears, honestly. Watching these countryballs switch their emotions so unwillingly just hits me.

    • @uazik-kamazik
      @uazik-kamazik 10 місяців тому

      Omg read history pls, this video is completely misleading

    • @JulianPHarri
      @JulianPHarri 10 місяців тому +4

      @@uazik-kamazik Um… I'm not saying a single word 'bout history. I wrote 'bout the countryball animations

    • @xenstence
      @xenstence 10 місяців тому

      @@uazik-kamazik how?

  • @TheB0a
    @TheB0a 11 місяців тому +2

    So after watching the video only once and by reading some comments, only Abkhazia has real claims to independence since theyve had Abkhazians their since before Georgia? Ill have to watch this again when im more rested but great video. Georgia 🇬🇪 has always interested me

    • @gigamosidze8244
      @gigamosidze8244 19 днів тому

      Information regarding Afkhazia is not correct.

    • @PanZerV
      @PanZerV 5 днів тому

      @@gigamosidze8244 it is

  • @konstantinpliev1552
    @konstantinpliev1552 11 місяців тому +19

    Hello from South Ossetia. This video is one the most unbiased in the UA-cam. Thank you!

    • @Assmanlicker
      @Assmanlicker 11 місяців тому +3

      hello brother from Abkhazia

    • @giorgijioshvili9713
      @giorgijioshvili9713 11 місяців тому +8

      You from Georgia? Cool me too

    • @konstantinpliev1552
      @konstantinpliev1552 11 місяців тому +20

      @@giorgijioshvili9713 No, bro, from South Ossetia

    • @giorgijioshvili9713
      @giorgijioshvili9713 11 місяців тому +16

      @@konstantinpliev1552 Yea that's what i said Georgia

    • @konstantinpliev1552
      @konstantinpliev1552 11 місяців тому +15

      @@giorgijioshvili9713 ooh, u are from the US, aren't you? state Georgia?

  • @mro9466
    @mro9466 16 днів тому

    Very well made video !

  • @sabapapiashvili
    @sabapapiashvili 10 місяців тому +25

    As a georgian this is one of the most neutral and most information consuming video about this war that i have seen thanks for making this and love your channel !

    • @LaplacianDalembertian
      @LaplacianDalembertian 9 місяців тому

      It only shows external side. Inside Georgia, president Gamsahurdia was using "Caucasian Salute", and was building his organization basically on replica of Nazi ideology. He killed tens of thousands. What's even worse is that everybody is hiding that tragedy. He was kicked out of power, good for Georgian people...

    • @fal2218
      @fal2218 8 місяців тому

      Yeah, most youtubers just regurgitate american propaganda

    • @russianboogeyman544
      @russianboogeyman544 8 місяців тому

      And did the georgians made any progress regarding Abkhazia and South-Ossetia? ( I mean negotiations about autonomy).

    • @rareism636
      @rareism636 7 місяців тому

      ​@@russianboogeyman544naah not yet

    • @aperson6799
      @aperson6799 2 місяці тому

      @@russianboogeyman544 The Georgian government is basically controlled by Russia now. The Prime Minister is a joke, the President is a joke, and Georgians who make *TONS* of money from Russia do whatever Putin wants. So Russia, as of now, doesn’t need to “annex” or “give independence” to their puppet states (unless they want to send a message to other countries).
      It’s really sad to watch such beautiful country be abandoned by the west and now just crumble.

  • @SergyJoe
    @SergyJoe 11 місяців тому +39

    That's a surprisingly good summary video! Not just wikipedia facts, but well presented real things in here. Not just "boo-hoo, Russia is bad because it's bad" or "Georgia is bad because it's bad". Things are very complicated. Politics say one thing, in reality people do other things. I'm Russian living in Tbilisi and most of Georgians I met was very nice to me and I adore their culture, history and people as well. I hope in the future we will get along politically and resolve all problems with peace! 🇷🇺❤🇬🇪

    • @giorgijioshvili9713
      @giorgijioshvili9713 11 місяців тому +8

      Yea Russian forces will leave Georgia and we will be friends

    • @Nextdesu
      @Nextdesu 10 місяців тому +8

      @@giorgijioshvili9713 we dont have forces in Georgia.

    • @giorgijioshvili9713
      @giorgijioshvili9713 10 місяців тому +11

      @@Nextdesu yes you do in Abkhazia and samachablo

    • @retineyzer7906
      @retineyzer7906 10 місяців тому +7

      @@giorgijioshvili9713 It's not part of georgia

    • @giorgijioshvili9713
      @giorgijioshvili9713 10 місяців тому +9

      @@retineyzer7906 it is like it or not

  • @vottak5964
    @vottak5964 11 місяців тому +82

    Good thing that you pount out that Kosovo and its recognition by USA is a big problem.

    • @duskthunder9274
      @duskthunder9274 11 місяців тому +3

      How

    • @vottak5964
      @vottak5964 11 місяців тому +36

      @@duskthunder9274 by legitimizing Transisria, DPR , LPR and many more.

    • @tapikoBlends
      @tapikoBlends 11 місяців тому +4

      As i understand kosovo it is lke albanians conquered part of serbia ?

    • @dylancrooks6548
      @dylancrooks6548 11 місяців тому +4

      @@tapikoBlends no, Albanians were there for a long time. I think that a lot of Albanian migration was in the 20th century though, as part of some Yugoslav policy or something, as migrant workers...maybe? I don't know, but for us, it makes sense to recognize Kosovo. The Serbs were going to commit genocide against them, the Georgians were never doing that to the Abkhaz or Ossetes.

    • @zjzr08
      @zjzr08 11 місяців тому +5

      ​​@@dylancrooks6548 I'm kinda fine with them just letting them be a UN protectorate basically but the recognition of Kosovo's unilateral indepedence did open a can of worms that countries like Spain with Catalonia or Italy with Sicily or even UK with Scotland didn't want to open IMO...Timor Leste was basically that and Indonesia with them found a solid agreement at the end IMO.

  • @TomBlackstone
    @TomBlackstone 7 місяців тому +2

    This is the most unbiased and objective explanation of the 2008 war I've seen yet. Thanks for this.

  • @jokehu7115
    @jokehu7115 11 місяців тому +2

    oh boy i sure hope the comments wont burn too much. great video i laughed my ass of with the mongel joke

  • @PakBallandSami
    @PakBallandSami 11 місяців тому +14

    me: how many good video can you make PWP
    PWP: yes

  • @Shiroya_Rumika
    @Shiroya_Rumika 9 місяців тому +5

    And yet, the two still using Georgian Healthcare and University
    If I were Georgia, i would cut the access of Healthcare and University for them

    • @pacivalmuller9333
      @pacivalmuller9333 День тому

      But then you say that they are not part of your country or are you mistreating your citizens???

  • @EaSkateVideo
    @EaSkateVideo 10 місяців тому +2

    I love the DOW sound at 2:33 😂

  • @denisbendyuk2881
    @denisbendyuk2881 11 місяців тому +20

    Don't really understand how exactly accepting South Osetia into Russia will destabilize North Caucasus region in Russia and anyhow provoke conflict there. +I really never notice any hate towards each other among those people in the North Caucasus

    • @outerspace7391
      @outerspace7391 11 місяців тому +1

      There are some dark memories of the past but I can say they're on pretty good terms nowadays

    • @XAE_A_Xii
      @XAE_A_Xii 11 місяців тому +3

      Ingush people really don’t have good relationship with both Ossetians and Chechens. When Ingush returned from Central Asia after forced immigration, Georgians left the homes that belonged to Ingush people and even left animals and food, whilst Ossetians didn’t , hence animosity between them. Chechens and ingushs have territorial issues , Russia is on the Chechens side. So the only problem maker for Russia in the north Caucasus is probably Ingushetia.

  • @Siniy.
    @Siniy. 11 місяців тому +5

    this is actually a good video. but let me tell you. you just showcased a tip of the iceberg

    • @PoliticswithPaint
      @PoliticswithPaint  11 місяців тому +3

      Indeed, which is why I made the little disclaimer in the pinned comment. Unfortunately, I had to cut a lot of things to get to a bearable video-length.

  • @entertainment4kids1
    @entertainment4kids1 11 місяців тому +41

    I’m glad you made this video. This war is often mentioned in the summary of precursor events to the current war in Ukraine. It seems like after the Soviets collapsed, history books stop. ‘There were no more wars in Europe.’ Granted this war was very short, but it seems more than a footnote. I am now sympathetic to the South Ossetia, it would make sense to unite North & South & since Georgian government doesn’t seem to treat them right.

    • @Marshal_Longarm
      @Marshal_Longarm 11 місяців тому

      Remember the book "The end of history and the last Man" by Francis Fukuyama?

    • @gigagigaa9696
      @gigagigaa9696 11 місяців тому +6

      You can't unite south and north ossetia since there is only one ossetia already and it was never two

    • @shayaldwarka7907
      @shayaldwarka7907 11 місяців тому +2

      South Ossetia and Abkhazia were just against NATO. NATO encouraged Georgia to take them

    • @giorgitavartkiladze4829
      @giorgitavartkiladze4829 11 місяців тому +7

      In Georgia, there were tens of Ossetian schools while there was none in North Ossetia, a real homeland of Ossetians. Perhaps more Ossetians live in independent Georgia than in occupied Tskhinvali Region (so called South Ossetia) and they are never discriminated. My best friend is Ossetian. Why do you think Geogian government is or has treated them wrongly? "South Ossetian Autonomous Region" was created by USSR on a land, where there was no any entity like that at all. Untill Russian Anexation it was a land controlled partly by Georgian nobels and partly direclty by the Royal house, like all other parts of Georgia. before the 1990s conflict, Georgians where always in absolute majority in only two cities of Tskhinvali and Akhalgori of "South Ossetia". Thus, as a artifitial entity, created by the Kremlin for control over Georgia, was abolished. Though, Ossetians still live in Georgia without discrimination.

    • @giorgitavartkiladze4829
      @giorgitavartkiladze4829 11 місяців тому

      @@shayaldwarka7907 Have you read any secret files or what? Do not create ideas out of nothing.

  • @user-zx4kn2fh2q
    @user-zx4kn2fh2q 2 місяці тому +2

    I am Georgian ❤ მე ქართველი ვარ i love Georgia ❤

  • @ironfury6007
    @ironfury6007 10 місяців тому

    where did you get the map just wondering
    i want to start videos like this as you inspired me to

  • @sebastopolis2334
    @sebastopolis2334 8 місяців тому +4

    It’s convenient, hah, to start from the 11th century, in the history of the entire Caucasus, starting from the time of ancient Rome, Abkhazia was called Abazgia or the Abkhazian kingdom and was part of the Roman Empire (as I know, for a short time), if you are interested, read about Dioscuria, Abkhazia occupied the entire the southern Caucasus, and over time it happened that the Abkhazian kingdom became known as the Georgian Khaganate, why I don’t know for sure, you need to look.

  • @kxmapper
    @kxmapper 11 місяців тому +36

    As Russian I'm really happy that you've made this video very accurate and didn't include propaganda. Subscribed, good luck with other videos!

    • @valeritemirof5031
      @valeritemirof5031 10 місяців тому +2

      Ты лучше изучи вопрос, а то привыкли западную инфу смотреть. Там по факту вообще все по другому было.

    • @DMlTREl
      @DMlTREl 10 місяців тому

      ​@@valeritemirof5031Критикуешь - предлагай

    • @PJohann
      @PJohann 10 місяців тому +1

      @@DMlTREl есть такой канал "туземный совет трудящихся". Там конкретно на эту тему больше чем двухчасовое видео со всеми историческими справками, контекстом, как началось и чем кончилось.

    • @user-wk2qb4vg5f
      @user-wk2qb4vg5f 6 місяців тому

      ​​@@valeritemirof5031You cant listen to truth

  • @user-ju8wr6fc9m
    @user-ju8wr6fc9m 10 місяців тому +1

    It is not mentioned that when the conflict began because of the Georgian nationalists. During the civil war, some of the nationalists, having lost, fled to Abkhazia and there they took hostage representatives of the Georgian authorities who were negotiating the status of Abkhazia in Georgia.
    It was at this point that Shevardnadze, wanting to finish off the nationalists, made a mistake and decided to send troops. Although the operation did not involve a military solution to the Abkhaz conflict, but the Georgian troops were then almost better in discipline than the bandit formations of nationalists. The entry of troops was accompanied by conflicts with local Abkhazians. As it turned out, the former diplomat Shevardnadze turned out to have put a match to a powder keg.

  • @MarvinandErica
    @MarvinandErica Місяць тому

    Great video by the way! But the American Ball or whatever it is if you make the white eyes teeth it looks so funny.

  • @romanchannel69
    @romanchannel69 11 місяців тому +14

    Important not to make parallel lines between the war in Ukraine and the war in Georgia, these events have different premises and will have different solutions in the future

  • @adambebb99
    @adambebb99 11 місяців тому +16

    3:31 most competent Austro-Hungarian leader in ww1

    • @gameer0037
      @gameer0037 11 місяців тому +3

      Would have missed it without you.
      thanks lol xD

  • @iraklimgeladze5223
    @iraklimgeladze5223 10 місяців тому +1

    As Georgian thank you. You clearifide many things

  • @Wolfboy_109
    @Wolfboy_109 11 місяців тому +11

    I like ur vibe to always tone into peace solution
    Peace, no war 🎉

    • @alessandrocanale6189
      @alessandrocanale6189 11 місяців тому +1

      Is not that easy since putin is litteraly using war as a means to destabilizing europe

  • @alekoburnadze9057
    @alekoburnadze9057 11 місяців тому +13

    One fact worth noting: abkhazians of medieval Georgian political entity of Abkhazia and modern tribes occupying region of Abkhazian are different.
    Medieval abkhazians were fully integrated Georgian populis, speaking and writing Georgian (testifed by numerous inscriptions on churches), submitting to catholicos (head of georgian church. (Political Unification of Georgia was predecessed by church unification, so its a big deal here)) in Mtsketa, ruled by Georgian royal dynasty (king David 4, one who reunited country, started with Abkhazia as royal domain).
    However, modern abkhazians are descended from the tribes of Apsu, branch or Alano-cercessians, who settled down from mountains in Georgian region of Abkhazia in the early 18th century.

    • @papunajilavdari3072
      @papunajilavdari3072 11 місяців тому +3

      That is an absolute bullshit which destroyed the future of both Abkhazian and Georgians. That theory which was developed by P. Ingorokva and then S.Janashia is not taken seriously by any western or even Georgian adequate scholar. "Abkhazian" was a political designation in medieval Georgia which encompassed all the peoples that lived in western Georgia but it is an absolute madness to say that Apsua were not part of that people and settled in Abkhazia later.

    • @alekoburnadze9057
      @alekoburnadze9057 11 місяців тому +8

      @@papunajilavdari3072
      I never said apsus haven't lived in Abkhazia in medieval times. I said they settled down in masses in 16-17th centuries. But here we are, you yourself admit apsus hardly were majority in medieval abkahzia. Because it was dominated by Georgians

    • @papunajilavdari3072
      @papunajilavdari3072 11 місяців тому +1

      Apsua were not majority in medieval Kingdom of Abkhazia because modern day Abkhazia accounted for 30% of that kingdom. It's capital was Kutaisi so ofcourse Apsua was a minority. However, there is no indication that they were minority on the territory of modern Abkhazia, during medieval times. Plus, Kingdom of Abkhazia stopped existing in 10th century. Buttom line is, its simply unnecessary rethoric which damages both sides.

    • @alekoburnadze9057
      @alekoburnadze9057 11 місяців тому +8

      @@papunajilavdari3072
      I didn't claim more. Thanks for being honest. My whole point was that medieval abkhazians and modern apsus are two different groups and this former naming themselves "Abkhazians" doesn't grant them claim on entirity of the region. Moreover, there is no indication apsuas constituted any majority or played a leading role in the geographical location they now inhabit before outside interference of russian states in early 18-19th centuries.
      What can be concluded from examination of any historical source is that Georgians were the only leading players in abkahzian politics that naturally rises a question: if apsus were in any sort of presence, how come they dont appear in any decision making or event in history if Abkhazia? I don't think I need to say that wouldn't be the case if apsuas indeed made up majority of the population

    • @papunajilavdari3072
      @papunajilavdari3072 11 місяців тому

      @@alekoburnadze9057 ye that is true, name certainly doesn't validate their claim. Nothing could, because they ethnicly cleansed the whole Georgian Population

  • @geobeast1369
    @geobeast1369 11 місяців тому +14

    This video was mostly right. Only thing is Ossetian settlement in samachablo startet way later and also you can't kick out majority population and then say you are independent

    • @kakhasukhitashvili5617
      @kakhasukhitashvili5617 11 місяців тому +5

      სრულად არის ვიდეო აცდენილი რეალობას

    • @mnemonicpie
      @mnemonicpie 11 місяців тому +2

      @@kakhasukhitashvili5617 "This video doesn't fit my victim narrative". I didn't expect Georgians, who always were an important and well respected part of Russia, will jump into quasi-woke narrative about victims and oppressors.

    • @bruh87877
      @bruh87877 11 місяців тому +1

      @@kakhasukhitashvili5617 ცვეტში

    • @bruh87877
      @bruh87877 11 місяців тому +1

      @@mnemonicpie Victim narrative? Or the narrative supported by HRW in 1993?

  • @ZDS2628
    @ZDS2628 11 місяців тому

    Can u pls make a video of the yugoslav wars?

  • @rubenhayk5514
    @rubenhayk5514 11 місяців тому +16

    Georgians are kinda buthurt that the whole world just ignore it and forget this war(2008)

    • @skp8748
      @skp8748 11 місяців тому +16

      George soros project failed 😂

    • @mnemonicpie
      @mnemonicpie 11 місяців тому +2

      And why the F the world must remember this war? Its Georgian shitty local issue.

    • @kaldunaaa
      @kaldunaaa 11 місяців тому

      Says the Armenian. Your kind should've been extinct by 1915.

    • @rubenhayk5514
      @rubenhayk5514 10 місяців тому

      @@skp8748 wtf you mean

    • @skp8748
      @skp8748 10 місяців тому

      @@rubenhayk5514 open society and colour revolution

  • @NOTUSER3333
    @NOTUSER3333 11 місяців тому +7

    thanks for making this video Georgia is underrated its true but you got 1 subscriber from Georgia

  • @devmas4
    @devmas4 10 місяців тому +8

    Балабол, никто не знает кто начал это войну! Американские инструкторы которые готовили и обучали Грузинскую армию, месяцами готовили армию к вторжению в Осетию, в течении нескольких дней бомбили. Но все же не понятно кто же начал войну!? Сложно понять.

    • @EduardSturua
      @EduardSturua 10 місяців тому

      Ох русня сидите и развивайте свою страну не лезте в чужие дела, насмотрелись зомбоящика и думаете что всё знаете.

    • @andrey_sviridov
      @andrey_sviridov 10 місяців тому +6

      ​@@EduardSturuaусраинца не просили открывать ротик.

    • @EduardSturua
      @EduardSturua 10 місяців тому

      @@andrey_sviridov Я грузин

    • @alexbayer2365
      @alexbayer2365 10 місяців тому

      @@EduardSturua не вините простых Россиян. У нас одна Вера. Просто нам нужен демократический лидер. Большинство Путина не поддерживает. Мира Вам.

    • @EduardSturua
      @EduardSturua 10 місяців тому

      @@alexbayer2365 70% население россии поддерживают путина и я не виню простых россиян я понимаю какого это когда тебя бьёт полицейский.

  • @GK_423
    @GK_423 10 місяців тому +2

    Really waiting video about Russia - Ukraine conflict, if it would be created with such attention to every detail as in this video. Very grateful to creator, now i can explain South Ossetian war to foreign friends with the help of this video, and not huge long reads.
    This video shows that Abkhazians mostly and South Ossetians always wanted to be independent. And i was many times in both regions, talked to local people, and this video shows the most accurated point of the view on this conflict. All Abkhazians who i met say that they want to be independent from Russia and Georgia, but to receive resources from Russia. Some express the idea of ​​trade with Georgia, but others have a hostile attitude towards the Georgians after the Abkhazian conflict in 1990s. And most of the south ossetians waiting for reunification with Russia, but Russia not really wanted it, because Russia intrested in improving relations with Georgia, and final annex of South Ossetia will ruin it to the ashes.

    • @quodpipax
      @quodpipax 10 місяців тому +1

      It would be called "NATO-Russia conflict". Ukraine lost its sovereignty long ago and has been puppeteered by the west. To understand it better, you have to go back at least to after WW2 times or even 1922, when Lenin created Ukraine.

    • @GK_423
      @GK_423 10 місяців тому

      @@quodpipax ну тогда США в Корее и Вьетнаме против СССР сражалось, наверное, да? :)
      Да и в других странах, куда приезжали наши инструкторы, и где были войска снабжаемые Союзом.
      По мне это бред. Мы воюем не с НАТО, а с режимом, снабжаемым НАТО. 😅

    • @Fletchspeare
      @Fletchspeare 10 місяців тому

      @@quodpipax I suppose the Ukrainian war for independence means nothing, to Russian propagandists? Or Belgorod joining Ukraine in 1918?
      Trotsky was far better than Lenin, and it's the only thing about him I hate: his Red Army rolling over Ukraine after WWI and ensuring another century of Popov domination from the pig-ignorant peasant-land of Russian svinya. Collectivisation, Holodomor, the Great Terror… Ukraine always deserved more than being crushed beneath Russia's boot.

    • @GK_423
      @GK_423 6 місяців тому

      @@sxnap3480 chill mate, you talking absolute nonsense. Everything you said here is a lie. If we wanted to punish georgians, why we didnt punish Kuchma and Ukraine, Belarus and Lukashenko, Kazakhstan and Nazarbaev? They all "betray" us same way as Shevarnadze. And you get Stalin here, lol. I'm russian and i feel nothing wrong about Josef. He was great leader, yes, he wasnt merciful, he did some mistakes, but me and most of russians got no hard feelings about him. So everything you wrote down here have no connection to the reality.

  • @STJukes
    @STJukes 11 місяців тому

    Great video though I think for dates 2010 onwards you should pronounce it "twenty twenty two" not "two thousand and twenty two".

  • @c.c.c.r1922
    @c.c.c.r1922 11 місяців тому +27

    Amazing video! Thanks for making this about my country, i wish peace between all countries, expecialy russia and georgia
    Abkhazia and samachablo is Georgia 🇬🇪

    • @GwainSagaFanChannel
      @GwainSagaFanChannel 11 місяців тому

      I do not think Putin really wants peace neither his goons or the oligarchs currently in power in Russia they seem dead set on trying to annexing all post soviet states as stated in official Russian state documents

    • @alessandrocanale6189
      @alessandrocanale6189 11 місяців тому +10

      As an italian i hope one day russia stop this non-sense and georgia takes back their territories and if possible join nato and eu
      🇮🇹🇪🇺❤️🇬🇪

    • @leonodonoghueburke4276
      @leonodonoghueburke4276 11 місяців тому +15

      So peace for all countries, except the ones you want annexed?

    • @c.c.c.r1922
      @c.c.c.r1922 11 місяців тому +8

      @@leonodonoghueburke4276 they are not event countries

    • @BacTheChill
      @BacTheChill 11 місяців тому +9

      ​@@leonodonoghueburke4276 nope, we want territories back that got taken away from us

  • @esnat
    @esnat 11 місяців тому +12

    As an Abkhaz, i really appreciate you for making this video, it's all truth in each part, make more of these by the way!!

    • @sonofalbi9801
      @sonofalbi9801 11 місяців тому +1

      Good to see you here Esnat! I loved your upload of Valera Bagatelia singing Hara Harwaa Reihaby.

    • @esnat
      @esnat 11 місяців тому +1

      @@sonofalbi9801 Thank you!

    • @giorgijioshvili9713
      @giorgijioshvili9713 11 місяців тому +3

      no its not he didn't said anything about kingdoms of colchis cleansing of Georgians Abkhazia

    • @alexbayer2365
      @alexbayer2365 10 місяців тому +2

      Love Abkhazians from 🇷🇺

    • @Medovikbybaga
      @Medovikbybaga 6 місяців тому +1

      I am abkhazian too, and i disagree only to the part where he says that over 200 000 ppl (mostly georgians) were displaced after the events in 2008. In Fact they fled in 91-93

  • @nodarshurgaia4301
    @nodarshurgaia4301 7 днів тому +1

    There are a LOT of things missing from this video, but I guess if you're not from these places, you can only dig up so much

  • @user-ti6sl3nn8r
    @user-ti6sl3nn8r 6 місяців тому +5

    👇people from georgia🇬🇪🇬🇪🇬🇪

  • @Oxaras
    @Oxaras 5 місяців тому +3

    Georgia was a part of Iran for the longest time more than any other nation they are a part of Iranian heritage. Unfortunately Iranians are judged according to their state of being up today and it seems like everybody is ignoring the ancient Iran and how it was and how It influenced European culture. For example something not Many people don’t know is that knighthood and the first knights were from Irān and the very first time suits of armour was invented in Irān

    • @servantofsusa
      @servantofsusa Місяць тому

      Georgians were conquered by the irainians they were not irainian at all they aren't even Indo-European to begin with the ossetians are irainian not Georgians or Armenians

    • @servantofsusa
      @servantofsusa Місяць тому

      lie the first armor was created by the sumerians you can clearly see it in stele of vulture's goddamn irainian

  • @vladimirr9772
    @vladimirr9772 11 місяців тому +19

    A rare occasion of an unbiased video involving Russia.
    Btw, could have mentioned, that Stalin was Georgian.

    • @13attr
      @13attr 11 місяців тому +7

      and Beria, Ordzhonikidze

  • @lukagames9787
    @lukagames9787 10 місяців тому +1

    wooow i enjoyed it so much you told me like history of my country thank you!

  • @vainvissi
    @vainvissi 8 місяців тому +1

    I'm so happy as a half Abkhazian to find a quite objective video not spoiled with Georgian, Russian or Abkhazian propaganda and misinformation.

  • @johncarterofmars47
    @johncarterofmars47 11 місяців тому +2

    "Babe, the new Politics with Paint video just dropped!"

  • @jubanumidia8460
    @jubanumidia8460 10 місяців тому +3

    There was Abkhazian kingdom before the Georgian one, Abkhazia (witch is an authentic name) is older than Georgia

    • @giorgijioshvili9713
      @giorgijioshvili9713 10 місяців тому +1

      lol it was a Georgian kingdom and united other Georgian kingdoms in 1008 your propaganda is so dumb

    • @kubdarienjoyer4798
      @kubdarienjoyer4798 10 місяців тому +4

      Bro learned history in his mom's legs

    • @akakigvilava5571
      @akakigvilava5571 9 місяців тому

      Where do u get the pot from? Gali?

  • @HellerickCF
    @HellerickCF 10 місяців тому +6

    In the Soviet time my mom lived in a town with two diasporas: Georgian and Abkhazian. And everything and everyone was divided between them. A Georgian could not appear on an "Abkhazian" street as it would cause a fight. If a Russian was known to have an Abkhazian friend, all Georgians avoided him and his family.
    Leaving them alone within a single state would inevitably cause a disaster.

    • @anakacharava4159
      @anakacharava4159 5 місяців тому

      You are a liar. I went to Georgian dances with an Abkhaz girl in Sokhumi. At the beginning of the 90s, before the war. If that was the case, as you say, her parents would not have forced her to attend the Georgian dance. 90 percent of Abkhazians have Georgian surnames, they were brainwashed by the Russians, they are actually Georgians.
      Abkhazia was, is and will be Georgia.

    • @HellerickCF
      @HellerickCF 5 місяців тому +1

      @@anakacharava4159 I suppose in Sukhumi Georgians and Abkhazians had no choice but coexist somehow.
      But the Georgia declared independence and that Abkhazians are Ossetians weren't a think. Well you also claim that Abkhazians aren't a think. And that was what started the war.
      Russians at the time had no idea that they were supposed to brainwash anybody. Like, what for? Having good relations with Georgians apparently seemed much more valuable than with Abkhazians.

    • @anakacharava4159
      @anakacharava4159 5 місяців тому

      @@HellerickCF Everything you write is bullshit. Georgians and Abkhazians have been living together for centuries. Before and after the invasion of the Russian Empire in the Caucasus, Abkhazia was always a part of Georgia. Abkhazians are actually Georgians. If we do not count the settlers from the North Caucasus, who appropriated the ethnonym "Abkhaz", more than 90% percent have pure Georgian surnames. Their connection with Georgians is also confirmed genetically. Your attempt to distort the reality will not work.
      For many years, Russia has encouraged the feud between the Caucasian peoples. He always organizes provocations and renews separatism in the region. In addition to two regional conflicts in Georgia in the 1990s, there was a civil war and riots, which were also inspired by Russia.

    • @anakacharava4159
      @anakacharava4159 5 місяців тому

      @@HellerickCF There was a time when all of Western Georgia was called Abkhazia. Historically it was part of the Colchis kingdom. It's funny when you try to ignore these historical facts.

  • @martinja9953
    @martinja9953 9 місяців тому +1

    Good video as central european I didnt really studid this conflicts… thanks for the info I love internet… I hope Georgia can be frinds with Abchazia again… as for Osetia… well i would say if it wouldnt be possible to make relationship they should be left alone maybe even united with the north and seek independence

    • @stronggs1459
      @stronggs1459 7 місяців тому

      It is very sad that I have to translate google translate and correctly describe what crimes they have committed against Georgians. You do not know anything about this conflict and do not draw preliminary conclusions with a short video, they are not actually Abkhazians, they call themselves Apsu, "that is, settled Tribes" who carried out ethnic cleansing against Georgians. This war started with the provocation of Russia and continues today, they continue to illegally occupy our lands.

  • @sayyismyname
    @sayyismyname 5 місяців тому

    i just acknowledeged the existence of abkhazia so im glad i found this video!

  • @AngryDuck79
    @AngryDuck79 11 місяців тому +5

    Let's just take a moment to point out how the Mongols seem to ruin everything for everyone all the time.

    • @outerspace7391
      @outerspace7391 11 місяців тому

      Every Eurasian country's history at some point; *but then the Mongol hordes arrived*

    • @zjzr08
      @zjzr08 11 місяців тому

      The OG British "straight line" troublemakers hehe.