My humble opinion as a Malaysian, having disputes is normal growing pains of any country, sending "coast guard" ships to harass civilian ship traffic, fisherman and oil platforms 50 nautical miles from land of other countries is just being a bully.
@@SuperCatacata Definitely, and it'll escalate even more as China eventually starts losing that power. For the next few decades they'll overcome the US and become the biggest economy, but they won't be able to maintain it throughout the rest of the century. As China starts declining in power we may see something similar to Putin invading Ukraine, because Putin knows full well that Russia is rapidly declining and if he's ever gonna invade then the time is now.
@@lucasharvey8990 That's what I think as well. However, I don't believe the communist party will be in power in China for long certainly not the next 50 years. It's much more likely that the party will fall and whatever comes government next will likely be more competent, aggressive, and nationalist than the CCP. This is when real US China competition will begin.
@@daxtynminn3415 That's a good point. I'm undecided on what their government will look like in the future, because we are living in extraordinary times and every decade it gets harder to predict what will happen in the next decade. I think the future Chinese government - whatever it is - will learn to be diplomatic in world politics. The thing is, even if China can compete with the US, it doesn't even come close to USA + Canada + Latin American allies + NATO, European Union, and other structures that tie Europe and North America together + India + Australia + Japan and so on. All China has is North Korea; even Vietnam likes the US more than they do China, and that's despite both of those countries being communist. What's happening to the Russian economy right now is a good warning sign for the CCP to stop acting like a bully, because countries that act like bullies have a harder time on the world stage. I think that is the main thing to keep in mind, because once China starts playing the diplomatic game, they'll start building alliances. And when China has allies on their side, that's when they'll ACTUALLY start contesting the current world order.
@@lucasharvey8990 Yea I agree almost completely the Chinese, well at least the CCP are not to so good with diplomacy or soft power. I'm not exactly sure what government will come next either. I just think the communist party has proven to be a joke at this point and they are so hated that they drive pretty much every country into the US's arms. The longer these guys are in power the better it is for the USA from a geopolitics standpoint.
@@Sowhat-i7m Veitamese and Filipinos are good friends 😂 so why not? How about you share the south sea instead of claiming the whole of it, besides vietnam and the philippines only want a portion of it, unlike greedy china who wants the whole of it 😂
@Shimohira Reika hey, return your mom's phone to her. Stop commenting nonsense. An educated men wouldn't say that Vietnam is a tribe of China, or even worse-Vietnam dont have territory on South China Sea:)
@Shimohira Reika Ah yes, a true patriot of China, I guess you also think the Mongols failed in Vietnam 3 times was just due to "bad weather" and we didn't beat France or the US, they just "left" because there are no "natural resources".
@Shimohira Reika About territory in South China Sea, Vietnam territory was confirm by the world and have a transparency national sovereignty not the same as "China The Pirate". Last words: DO NOT SAY ANYTHING WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE! GO TO YOU RE MOM AND RETURN THE PHONE. READ SOME BOOKS FROM DIFFERENT SOURCES ABOUT HISTORY AND POLITIC BEFORE SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THEY!!!
@@NeostormXLMAX Not so. In the 1950s, the Republic of China's 11-dash line was changed to the nine-dash line by the People's Republic of China as a concession to a partial dispute with Vietnam over the Gulf of Tonkin.
No it definitely has a political bias. It very clearly favors the reality pushed by the CCP While not very clearly recognizing the reality puthe reality pushed by Taiwan and its allies. This is a better form of propaganda than what you would actually think they're trying to convince people of a smaller idea so that they can go against them of a bigger idea later. If you don't believe me check out his other videos that are dead on the nose propaganda.
@@zsuperb1z Amanda skymakes a lot of Chinese propaganda If you check out his older stuff you'll find a lot more bias but more bias hes just making it is better propaganda
@@spencerrodden2669 would be a better argument to give where his bias lies, sources to counterpoint what he said, or rational explanations of why they are propaganda, and even then, why those propaganda are false, or what part of those propaganda are false or twisted to suit those spreading it. Telling people to check it out won't work because people have their own biases, and what you see may not be readily seen by others. Then again this is UA-cam, not a formal discussion lmfao.
@@neinty-neinmonika2861 good job China bot. Your broken English kind of gives you away and your a little to Eager to refute what I say to be anything other than a 50 cent army troll.
@@aprettysimplebeing1828 not really, while Serbia and Albania is really in hatred relationship meanwhile us Indonesia and Malaysia is more like Love-Hate relationship, but I think more love for the last decade for our economic co-operation
@@fireblast3339 There is one factor that could solves this disputed sea and united the asian countrys is that China threaten to claim all of it. The oldest trick in the book.
@@zebimicio5204 To be fair that seems to be the current government's fight, most of our administrations are mostly just quiet on the issue, although mostly for self-determination, which neither claims nor denounces ownership of territory.
The sea’s major feature is a deep rhombus-shaped basin in the eastern part, with reef-studded shoals rising up steeply within the basin to the south (Reed and Tizard banks and the Nanshan Island area) and northwest (Paracel Islands and Macclesfield banks). The deep portion, called the China Sea Basin, has a maximum depth of 16,457 feet (5,016 metres) and an abyssal plain with a mean depth of some 14,100 feet (4,300 metres). Houseboats in the Gulf of Tonkin at Ha Long Bay, northern Vietnam, a UNESCO World Heritage site.
@@嗯哼-s8p This is completely false. Firstly, China invaded and occupied on our land for over 1000 years, only until the 10th century your country stopped invading. Next, China's greed on the "small islands" only started at around the 20th century, which was when Vietnam was still fighting against France and America to protect our own land. China took the chance and tried to invade our islands in 1959, which failed however, but the spies and soldiers got returned to their home country, unlike how your soldiers brutally killed our defenders later in 1971. China only recently created the "nine-dash line" in hope to take over the entire sea region. Thirdly, we never wanted, and will never invade others, because Vietnam wants to be friend and cooperate with every other countries on the world, or simply because we only fight back when we're invaded, like back then when China did to us. And finally, shouldn't we be the one to not let you invade other countries? Because China is one of the most powerful country in the world currently. Is this enough to fight with your statement yet?
@@嗯哼-s8p Invasions and conflicts in the past are inevitable. After a couple researches, Vietnam did invade Laos, Cambodia and Thailand in different ways. Firstly, our country attacked Laos during the 15th century, killing 200000 people, yes that's indeed a lot. About Cambodia, Viet soldiers stopped the Khmer rogue in their country. Their leader, Pol Pot, was a mass murderer, who killed thousands of innocents in our country. The Khmer rouge later moved into Thailand, which was the reason for the invasion in Thailand. It was not until 1989 when the Viet soldiers retreated, the relationship between both countries returned normal. During the 20th century, Vietnam started a new relationship with Laos. Both countries aided each others during the next years, helping in different aspects. Now back to China. During the Song Dynasty, China was planning to invade Vietnam, so they were rallying troops and preparing supplies at a small city near the border. We Vietnam had no other choice, but to stop the plan from succeeding, and took down the place. After that, we didn't took the city or anything, just simply retreated just as if the threat is stopped. These may not be recorded in our history books, or I haven't learnt all of them since I'm still a student, but I'm sure that even if countries invaded each others in the past, they're trying to make peace for a better world. Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand and Laos are close friends now, and our country even make friend with your country China, who invaded us for 1000 years consecutively. I don't know about historical records in your museum, and I haven't got the time and money to even visit our own national museum to check the records myself. But if I had, I would check them out when the pandemic ends. I don't want to bring up this topic anymore, nor causing any drama on social medias. Peace.
@@嗯哼-s8p China history is full of lies and cover up. "1989 Tiananmen Square Protests and Massacres" is one of those, now the Chinese are banned from talking about it. And that just 33 years ago, let's not talk about anything like 1,000 years ago.
@@嗯哼-s8p Oh yeah, then please tell me what happen in Tiananmen square. I'd like to know your history version. . And on China help Vietnam tries to repay every day and don't worry China deserves every payback.
@@嗯哼-s8p Vietnam was not necessarily a vassal. It was an independent nation who were traditionally enemies of the chinese because of multiple invasion attempts. If you look at Ukraine right now, you think similar to how Putin thinks, that if a country has a shared history in the past that they can deny the sovereignty of a nation. Also, during the first and second indochina wars, Vietnam’s closest ally was the soviet union, not China. EVERY country has had gruesome history that many regret now, unlike China and their modern genocides.
9:12 I think you have some mistakes here. It should be Cambodia, Thailand and Myanmar since Laos is always the first one that actively supporting Vietnam's opinion in every ASEAN Summit while Cambodia is the one that has been supporting China ever since 1997 ( China has been supporting Cambodia economically and militaristically) , Myanmar has also been slowly drifting towards China ever since Aung San Suu Kyi got into power and Thailand is getting the same treatment like Cambodia.
@@IDK-fv3hu well when Prayut seized power, Thailand started drifting slowly towards China ( although Prayut himself with his government is trying to keep Thailand neutral but I still doubt about it when most Thai's people really don't like the man and the monarchy). For more information about why Thailand drifting towards China, you can search about bilateral trade and military relations between China-Thailand ( you will understand why they might become the second Cambodia if they can't keep their long-term neutrality ).
@Underpaid T-72 mechanic learn more about Burmese politics lad. You will find out Aung San Su Kyi had no true power other than tons of supports from citizens.
This video is from 1 year ago, but as of now, it his highly relevant. It is the powder keg of the future, and the fuse already has been lit, but the question is how long the fuse is before it all blows up
The smaller countries in this region should take note on what's happening in the current ukraine and russian war. Big countries won't always help you, despite promises.
@@pattrickmerete US not defending the Philippines despite having a defense treaty is effectively political suicide tho. Unless Czechoslovakia 2.0 happens to the Philippines, but that's another kind of political suicide so ehhh....
Unlike Ukraine, the SEA countries actually have a military treaties called ASEAN and Commonwealth. If China attack one, all of them will retaliates. Not to mention they also in the Commonwealth which will make UK and Australia directly involved if they got attacked.
@@pattrickmerete Philippines are asking for trouble in this way. We don't see Philippines as enemies, but if you guys work with US. We'll have to treat you as one of the targets.
Comes in handy for me. It's one of the subjects I have to study for the state exam in order to become a teacher here in France. It's at the end of the month. Thanks man!
yeah but Spratly and Paracel Islands belong to VIetnam. In Diary on Amphitrite (1701) said "Paracels is a part of Annam",“Le Mémoire sur la Cochinchine” of Jean Baptiste Chaigneau (1769 - 1825) also said it, Univers, histoire et description de tous les peuples, de leurs religions, moeurs et coutumes” of Priest Taberd said the same.The French owned it when Vietnam was a French Colony. Remember the Geneva Treaty about Korean Peninsula and Indochina.
If just staring to the map itself, the Philippines is the closest to the Spartly's, and Vietnam really owned so much of the islands! What a little China of SEA.
shut up stupidDUDE China and more than 168 member states of the United Nations have publicly signed the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) adopted in 1982, also called the Law of the Sea Convention, or the Law of the Sea Treaty, which affirms Vietnam's sovereignty over the Paracel and Spratly archipelagoes. Here is the original document of 1982 UNCLOS --- The United Nations [UN] reiterates Vietnam’s sovereignty over Paracel and Spratly archipelagoes. The National Assembly reaffirms the sovereignty of the Socialist Republic of Viet Nam over its internal waters and territorial sea; the sovereign rights and jurisdiction in the contiguous zone, the exclusive economic zone and the continental shelf of Viet Nam, based on the provisions of the Convention and principles of international law; and calls on other countries to respect the above-said rights of Viet Nam. The National Assembly [authorizes] the National Assembly's Standing Committee and the Government to review all relevant national legislation to consider necessary amendments in conformity with the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea [UNCLOS], and to safeguard the interests of Viet Nam. (un.org)
I read an article this morning that said that Vietnam had banned the “Barbie” movie because the movie has a map in it that contains The 9 dash line. I had no clue what it was an I’d never heard of it. That’s what brought me here. Interesting……
Ayy nice! Thought you might cover this after your previous vids regarding territorial disputes. Considering the quality of your previous vids I will enjoy this thoroughly. Keep up the great work
@@PoliticswithPaint you should do a geopolitical video on the history of the Ottoman Empire to start and then going into Turkeys future potential for Eastern Mediterranean dominance. But also add in Turkeys rising tensions with its neighbour's Russia, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Greece and Egypt. Also another idea Is talking about a what a rising powerful India would be, and the competition and present/future geopolitical struggles with PRC and Pakistan. Also the rise of the Quad, and how that geopolitical organization is going to play out. I'm 33 and Canadian btw. I like your content and always glad to see your content. And if you ever do a Canadian type video, then that's a bonus 😉lol.
@@PoliticswithPaint sorry for the late reply, but that would be awesome. So many different topics per each subject. Looking forward to the future of your channel 👍
thank you for going over this topic in a neutral tone and not taking sides, I can already see how it's gonna sound if western media is to report on this issue. And I'm very surprised to see US has undergone similar path in the Caribbean
15:45 you also have to mention that the US and the countries surrounding the South China sea are not colonial powers, which might at first seem to make almost no change, it does change the fact that there are no native people who wish to get independence from a certain power. Cuba for example wanted to get independence from spain which gave the US a chance to assert its dominance by aiding cuba against spain whilst china can't do that cuz none of the islands are colonized.
Yea the Philippines for instance has 80% public approval for rejoining America but yet the Philippines is still independent. If America was a colonial power this would be the excuse we need yet we still do not annex them. Want to know why because we aren't a f*cking colonial power!
@@teardataco8913 Not even close, especially Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, and the Philippines (except for the current president Duterte) listen to every of what US says, Malaysia seems likely neutral, and Vietnam is getting closer of a US puppet too now against China😊
@N L Not a puppet though because those countries COULD kick the U.S. out. There’s even often anti U.S. sentiments in those countries. Just doesn’t get too far because China exists. Trump publicly talked about leaving and all those leaders spoke to Trump on the importance of the relationship. U.S. wants easy world trade not domination. It gets everyone to work in it’s system. Most stable places don’t want to upset the cart. That’s why we don’t go to war with China right now. They benefited from the “freedom of navigation” the U.S. imposed on the world.
Vietnam: this small pert of the sea is mine Malaysia: no it's mine Brunei: no it's mine Philippines: you all are wrong it's mine China: i own all of it Everyone: what? China: I OWN ALL OF IT Taiwan: i hate you but i agree USA: this look like a job for me Aut*stic Screaming*
I got an idea, China signs treaties with all the sea countries and withdraws from the area on the condition that these sea countries must sink all us navy ships that pass through the area.
@@pspsppsps8660 who knows who sunk the US ships, what if a whale crashed onto the ship and sunk it, or a large wave capsizes the US ship? Is the US going to declare war on the sea?
@@1mol831... you want those countries to ship all us navy ships entering those waters, if 1 or 2 ships capsize which is very unlikely the US will still investigate it but since you're telling them to go sink all US navy ships i think the USA will start to get suspicious why ever Ship they send to the south china sea is sunk also on this day and age military technology it's super easy to pin point which ship fires on which and another flaw with your idea is that US navy ships are already incredibly hard to sink in the first place
Thanks for interesting video. But I think we should mention RUSSIA to the list of external actors. It involves to SCS as a balancer between China and Vietnam, and as a partner of China to counter the USA. Russia's economic interests in SCS should be considered because it has many joint oil companies with Vietnam and Indonesia, more than India. Moreover, the most ally of China among ASEAN members is Cambodia. This country has prevented ASEAN unification for every anti-China resolution.
The arbitral ruling is useless because it has no bearing with China, they didn't even attend. It's not about being a "lapdog". Remember when the previous admin sent an envoy for talks with Scarborough Shoal, when the envoy returned, the Shoal was already occupied by China.
@@impreza0109 thats not how international law works. even they ddnt attend. they are assignatory to UNCLOS wich submit them under the jurisdiction so shutap maderpaker. international law expertt
@@nanodesu9031 @Nayre We don't stand a chance against China's military power, even if we won by a law do you think a most powerful nation would just agree with it. Thankfully to the "China's lapdog" the war is prevented by trying to have a peace talk
China is a shameless nation, it's plain looking at the map that it's silly. It is a big country and it is bullying other small countries, refusing to abide by the international law they have signed up to before. Justice will win
Claiming to own a region is easy, but actually controlling it is more important. In the face of America’s mighty military prowess, the United Nations is essentially powerless. This tells us a truth: whoever has more warships holds the power of speech.
War in our region will only bring destruction and misery. It would also stop ASEAN's progress. I hope ASEAN as a whole will claim the territory as a shared property. All natural proceeds should fund ASEAN initiatives like a Unified Army, Universal Healthcare, Housing, Technology Research, etc. so we don't have to rely on super powers for our own defense.
I agree with you. The video omitted relevant information. The occupied reefs are all white elephants now, whatever the nationality owns them. Without the CCP China 9-dash line maritime claim, EEZ's have been neatly delineated among the South China Sea coastal states, including mainland China and Taiwan.
@@francissantos7448 China's 9-dash line is historical claims and rights consistently claimed by the previous Chinese government and the PRC. They precede and are not in conflict with international sea laws. EEZ can overlap and it is for related countries to negotiate the code of conduct in case of that. Taiwan is a rebel province of China that transferred all of China's gold reserves there in 1949 and China is carrying out patrols and exercises around it almost every day before incoming territorial unification.
@@blandwinde thank you for perspective X. CCP 9-dash line is circa 1947. Philippines documentary evidence of Spratlys and Scarborough shoal as Filipono territory is a 1734 Spanish map. This territorial claim is signed by the US in 1901 Treaty of Washington. This was one of the legal arguments at the Hague Tribunal ruling of 2016. The US has independently determined that CCP China and Taiwan claims of "ownership" of the South China Sea has no basis in international law January 2022.
@@francissantos7448 The US as a naval hegemony never participated in the international sea law convention. When China approved the international sea law convention, China had a special pre-condition that China doesn't accept any arbitration or court ruling and only agrees to negotiate with related countries. The 9-dash claim was already there before CCP took power and the government cannot back from it or it will be spat on the face by 1.4 billion people. But when countries have conflicting claims, negotiation is the way to solve them.
Asian countries: we need to work together! China: you is all barbarians and I own all of you. Seriously, jokes aside, if China didn't believe they were the oldest and greatest civilisation in the world and that all of Asia, or at least the parts that look Asian) should belong to them we wouldn't have so many problems. Especially if Europeans and Americans realised this too.
It's already going on, China find water sign from the Moon trip, bring back rocks. Who establish the first moon base will have claim to that resource. US is restarting its Moon project~
Please also provide WWII history. Under the Cairo Agreement, Japanese occupation of the islands was accepted by China. At that time, Southeast Asian countries were generally not independent, and their overlords did not fight for islands in the South China Sea for them. Controversy did not arise until after these countries became independent.
Mistakenly, Japan captured those islands from the French. Because in the 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th centuries it was part of the Vietnamese people. The French invaded Vietnam and then took over the islands. Both Ming and Qing dynasties China's maps do not include images of the sea and islands. The Chinese made a request to receive the islands after the Cairo conference, but the countries did not agree. That is why China does not have historical evidence to sue countries in Southeast Asia to the United Nations court.
@@xuchenzhang5079 That proves China's historical evidence is just fabricated and deceptive. You just want to rob other countries' islands and sovereign waters based on military might. Is there any difference between the Japanese imperialism, the Nazis of the 20th century, and the Chinese actions of the 21st century?
@@tinhhoangvan9327 Territorial disputes are always difficult to track back, that's why they remain disputes to this day. Vietnamese natives lived on these islands back in the days, but Vietnam was also under Ming's hegemony when Ming was around, before it was colonized by the French. Chinese influence in the South China sea declined a lot after the collapse of Ming, along with the rise of Japan and European colonialism in South East Asia. I personally believe the nine-dash line is really a far stretch, but historical evidences act merely as cover pages on the table of politics. At the end of the day, it's all about the political interests of politicians in all these countries. If they announced that they will "protect their righteous claim" in the sea, they won't back down because of political pressure and the human tendency to not admit their mistakes. I wish countries remain peaceful and resolve these issues in the most non-violent way possible.
SCS is complicated and actually less dangerous than what west media makes it appear so. Although everyone is at everyone else's throat, they are mostly noises and all involved parties are refrained from escalating disputes.
A great and comprehensive video in general 👍 just that there is one minor thing - nine-dashed line was actually originated from eleven-dashed line, and the two dashes were given from China to Vietnam for communist friendship.
The video is very well done, thank you for your efforts. As a Chinese, I think you have explained the dispute thoroughly and without prejudice. This video should be seen by more people.
That’s interesting to know, and as a country we do have one island over there. But it’s mainly between the CCP and ASEAN nations since its gonna directly affect their security and economic seas.
Finally an informative video that puts facts in front and skips the non-sense politics/partisanship. 99.99% of the debates out there are focused on the non-sense of who is right and who is wrong, when you think about islands in general, unless a population lives there (which these islands don't have), how can there really be any valid argument? All the parties in these disputes have NO RIGHT, period. It's always about who has the bigger gun or more power to influence the result... just like the Caribbean
@@gcf123t a population not people, Vietnam would have more people living on these islands than any other countries in this region, especially with its 21 controlled islands but that doesn't count as a population. When push come to shoves, it's only about who is stronger in this region
@@minhvu7256 I don't think the poster I was responding too was making that distinction. Furthermore, I don't think there is any basis in law for the distinction you're trying to make just now. While philosophically I do agree with your point in general (i.e. that ultimately it is strength and not laws that decide outcomes in international affairs), it is a also a fact that China is violating international law in general and UNCLOS in particular with its actions and so in that sense China is wrong.
@user-pi7md5br6f factually wrong. The US annexed Hawaii way before world war 2. Also please provide sources for your statement that "everyone recognized that the South China Sea belonged to China, but later independant countries said it was unfair, just like Cuba" or is this just your opinion? What is not funny is making up things just to make a point.
@@yewphondo4129 it's basically a "screeching" gesture on the Internet, mostly associated with people being either loud and obnoxious or a person being triggered, knowing the Pinoys I've seen in online games he probably meant the former
China is a shameless nation, it's plain looking at the map that it's silly. It is a big country and it is bullying other small countries, refusing to abide by the international law they have signed up to before. Justice will win
China's succession to the South China Sea is based on the Republic of China, or even earlier. At that time, there were no countries around the South China Sea. The predecessors of these countries were to identify with the sovereignty of China (or the former dynasty) over the region at that time.
Moreover, countries that claimed sovereignty over the sea area and islands agreed with China‘s sovereignty over the region until the 1870s until the discovery of oil in the sea area.
They claim it but actually those Chinese that says are trading goods somewhere there in Philippines. And that 9 dash line is absurd. 200km in our economic zone and doesn't respect international law of waters ?
I'm Chinese, and I found this video fair and rational. And, South China Sea should *not* go wrong, otherwise it will give a great impact on diplomatic relations and global finance. May negotiations be made and peace comes early!
the philippines just seem like an after thought in this video and just another country in the conflict even though we were the ones who kept challenging china's claim.
This video is very timely because of the current Russian invasion of Ukraine. The world is observing the reactions of U.S.A. on this matter which will serve as a blueprint of what may happen to this sea of concern.
@@ibingobingo I see. That means that the current Russian Ukraine issue could not serve as any clue to what U.S.A. could do in this sea of concern. You have a point there.
China is a shameless nation, it's plain looking at the map that it's silly. It is a big country and it is bullying other small countries, refusing to abide by the international law they have signed up to before. Justice will win
@@ibingobingo MAYBE, but its not just the U.S. It is rather how the rest of the world reacts. ATM china is being tugged by two groups of people. One who only focus on the u.S and the other that focus on the global scale. that being said, china is cautious on what they will do to taiwan, because they saw the sanctions, they saw the aid given to such rebels. Now they are focusing on building naval vessels to completely engulf said country, but also trying to find ways to financially not worry about sanctions or being cutt off from the global banking system. but that is only the tip of the iceburge
Ukraine and Russia don't matter to the USA. They matter to Europe. The Pacific Ocean and SEA matter to the USA. The ocean is not a barrier it is a road, and the USA can't abide a major rival within naval striking distance. Even if the USA let Ukraine go, that doesn't mean they would let China consolidate SEA.
No, the UK does not have lots of territorial waters inside what would otherwise be someone elses EEZ, it has a rock collection in the middle of nowhere. Greece's claims are also pretty unreasonable, but Greco-Turkish tensions are about far more than just the EEZ and need to be negotiated between the two countries, though I doubt either of them is mature enough to do that.
not true at all. the classic rule of a valid modern territory claim has only 2 requirements: 1. it has to be presented by a modern country (ancient historical ownership doesn't count) 2. at the time of the claim declaration there's no objection by other MODERN SOVEREIGN countries. so basically you have to make a claim as early as possible before anyone else and with no objections from other countries at THAT TIME to be considered as a valid territorial claim. well, ALL THE other claimants than china, were not even sovereign countries at the time china made the claim, AND the colonial masters of those claimants actually made no objections at the time. now you tell me which claim is by definition legitimate? lol
@@LongHoang-wx9zu you have no idea what u are talking about. lol historical ownership or activities are not required conditions to sustain a valid claim, but can certainly make a valid claim reasonable.
Something that needs to be mentioned is that in the 30s while KMT was drawing the 9 dash line, Vietnam, Malaysia and Philippines didn't exist. It was France, Portugal and USA.
I believe China would not resort to arm conflict, posturing maybe but not arm conflict. The one making the situation worse is USA and British military roaming around SCS
@@saltyrice821 watch history about SCS...China though the sea is all their's...eventhought there's borders made by other country...China entered Malaysian's territorial water multiple times
My humble opinion as a Malaysian, having disputes is normal growing pains of any country, sending "coast guard" ships to harass civilian ship traffic, fisherman and oil platforms 50 nautical miles from land of other countries is just being a bully.
As someone who doesn't live there. I'm sorry you guys have to deal with this. It's only going to escalate as China grows in power.
@@SuperCatacata Definitely, and it'll escalate even more as China eventually starts losing that power. For the next few decades they'll overcome the US and become the biggest economy, but they won't be able to maintain it throughout the rest of the century. As China starts declining in power we may see something similar to Putin invading Ukraine, because Putin knows full well that Russia is rapidly declining and if he's ever gonna invade then the time is now.
@@lucasharvey8990 That's what I think as well. However, I don't believe the communist party will be in power in China for long certainly not the next 50 years. It's much more likely that the party will fall and whatever comes government next will likely be more competent, aggressive, and nationalist than the CCP. This is when real US China competition will begin.
@@daxtynminn3415 That's a good point.
I'm undecided on what their government will look like in the future, because we are living in extraordinary times and every decade it gets harder to predict what will happen in the next decade. I think the future Chinese government - whatever it is - will learn to be diplomatic in world politics. The thing is, even if China can compete with the US, it doesn't even come close to USA + Canada + Latin American allies + NATO, European Union, and other structures that tie Europe and North America together + India + Australia + Japan and so on. All China has is North Korea; even Vietnam likes the US more than they do China, and that's despite both of those countries being communist. What's happening to the Russian economy right now is a good warning sign for the CCP to stop acting like a bully, because countries that act like bullies have a harder time on the world stage.
I think that is the main thing to keep in mind, because once China starts playing the diplomatic game, they'll start building alliances. And when China has allies on their side, that's when they'll ACTUALLY start contesting the current world order.
@@lucasharvey8990 Yea I agree almost completely the Chinese, well at least the CCP are not to so good with diplomacy or soft power. I'm not exactly sure what government will come next either. I just think the communist party has proven to be a joke at this point and they are so hated that they drive pretty much every country into the US's arms. The longer these guys are in power the better it is for the USA from a geopolitics standpoint.
Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei: We’ll take a piece of it
Chine: I WANT ALL OF IT!
Not “want” but “own”
*Brunei
@@josephsparks6517 i agree with u，it is belong to China for about 10 century，i m a American
Why don't you Filipinos share your Filipino wives with the Vietnamese?你们菲律宾人怎么不跟越南人分享你们菲律宾人的老婆?
@@Sowhat-i7m Veitamese and Filipinos are good friends 😂 so why not?
How about you share the south sea instead of claiming the whole of it, besides vietnam and the philippines only want a portion of it, unlike greedy china who wants the whole of it 😂
ASEAN, the organization with 10 members with 10 different cultures, government, ideology and languages. Fun times
It's going to be 11, actually. More fun!
@@budakbaongsiah who is the new member?
Timor Leste.
Indonesian, Malaysian, Singaporean, and Brunei all speak a similar enough mix of Malay dialects and English
@@budakbaongsiah well Singapore still reject it
"Dignity is only at the edge of the sword, and truth is only within cannon range." That's what I've learned from world politics.
“Sort of like NFTs if NFTs were useful”
Give this man a medal
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@@sureindubitably3771 could ask nicely smh
@@asianlifter 🤣
Bro, if you read this comment, can you explain to me what does this sentence mean? Thank you very much
Standing on the point of a Vietnamese, this is by far the most truly video i have ever seen from an foreigner. I appreciate it!
@Shimohira Reika do you even know how sea borders work?
@Shimohira Reika damm! A wild chinese supporter have appear
@Shimohira Reika hey, return your mom's phone to her. Stop commenting nonsense. An educated men wouldn't say that Vietnam is a tribe of China, or even worse-Vietnam dont have territory on South China Sea:)
@Shimohira Reika Ah yes, a true patriot of China, I guess you also think the Mongols failed in Vietnam 3 times was just due to "bad weather" and we didn't beat France or the US, they just "left" because there are no "natural resources".
@Shimohira Reika About territory in South China Sea, Vietnam territory was confirm by the world and have a transparency national sovereignty not the same as "China The Pirate". Last words: DO NOT SAY ANYTHING WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE! GO TO YOU RE MOM AND RETURN THE PHONE. READ SOME BOOKS FROM DIFFERENT SOURCES ABOUT HISTORY AND POLITIC BEFORE SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THEY!!!
Great work friend, your work is seen in the professionality of your videos
Hi love your videos
@@PakBallandSami Thank you
Woefully incomplete.
Correction: ROC claimed 11 dash line, after PRC took power it reduced to 9 dash line.
he is trying to make taiwan look more innocent
@@NeostormXLMAX Not so. In the 1950s, the Republic of China's 11-dash line was changed to the nine-dash line by the People's Republic of China as a concession to a partial dispute with Vietnam over the Gulf of Tonkin.
@@Audrey_Lai你规定的？弱的时候让步！强的时候是否能进步
也就近代中国弱，要是其他四大流氓越南直接重建
@@MiaolingCai.
This video is very informative, no political biasis, just comprehensive historical context and objective analysis.
No it definitely has a political bias. It very clearly favors the reality pushed by the CCP While not very clearly recognizing the reality puthe reality pushed by Taiwan and its allies. This is a better form of propaganda than what you would actually think they're trying to convince people of a smaller idea so that they can go against them of a bigger idea later. If you don't believe me check out his other videos that are dead on the nose propaganda.
wth? there are political biases right there in the video!
@@zsuperb1z Amanda skymakes a lot of Chinese propaganda If you check out his older stuff you'll find a lot more bias but more bias hes just making it is better propaganda
@@spencerrodden2669 would be a better argument to give where his bias lies, sources to counterpoint what he said, or rational explanations of why they are propaganda, and even then, why those propaganda are false, or what part of those propaganda are false or twisted to suit those spreading it. Telling people to check it out won't work because people have their own biases, and what you see may not be readily seen by others. Then again this is UA-cam, not a formal discussion lmfao.
@@neinty-neinmonika2861 good job China bot. Your broken English kind of gives you away and your a little to Eager to refute what I say to be anything other than a 50 cent army troll.
People tend to associate SEA with the Balkans, and given our circumstance and how WW1 started on eastern europe..I'm very much anxious about this
Soo Malaysia and Indonesia will become the Siberia and Albania? We have a history of doing that.
@@aprettysimplebeing1828 Siberia? Do you mean Serbia?
@@burakaskan9483 oops sorry
@@aprettysimplebeing1828 not really, while Serbia and Albania is really in hatred relationship meanwhile us Indonesia and Malaysia is more like Love-Hate relationship, but I think more love for the last decade for our economic co-operation
@@AlphaArcturus101 Kitorang curik korang punya tradisi 😶
Excellent interpolation mate.
Keep up the good work
Interpolation nice
Haven't heard that word in awhile. Nice.
Nama cantik
这确实是我第一次见到没有任何偏见的南海视频，在此之前我一直不能确定到底是哪个国家的声明更合理。还有我也很喜欢你的封面图，很漂亮。
I wish ASEAN was more united, but alas, we can't even agree on how to deal with Myanmar.
heck even we have an overlap claim on south china sea dispute
even asean member itself fight for their parts
@@fireblast3339 There is one factor that could solves this disputed sea and united the asian countrys is that China threaten to claim all of it.
The oldest trick in the book.
@@Fauzanarief-n7i We dont even have to touch the sea issue. The philippines have beef with malaysia over sabah ffs
@@zebimicio5204 To be fair that seems to be the current government's fight, most of our administrations are mostly just quiet on the issue, although mostly for self-determination, which neither claims nor denounces ownership of territory.
I love the artistic dragon design of the 9 dash line :3
你的头像很漂亮。
@@嘉木公山-e3v yt doesnt translate answers as well, that sxcks
The sea’s major feature is a deep rhombus-shaped basin in the eastern part, with reef-studded shoals rising up steeply within the basin to the south (Reed and Tizard banks and the Nanshan Island area) and northwest (Paracel Islands and Macclesfield banks). The deep portion, called the China Sea Basin, has a maximum depth of 16,457 feet (5,016 metres) and an abyssal plain with a mean depth of some 14,100 feet (4,300 metres). Houseboats in the Gulf of Tonkin at Ha Long Bay, northern Vietnam, a UNESCO World Heritage site.
@@嗯哼-s8p This is completely false. Firstly, China invaded and occupied on our land for over 1000 years, only until the 10th century your country stopped invading. Next, China's greed on the "small islands" only started at around the 20th century, which was when Vietnam was still fighting against France and America to protect our own land. China took the chance and tried to invade our islands in 1959, which failed however, but the spies and soldiers got returned to their home country, unlike how your soldiers brutally killed our defenders later in 1971. China only recently created the "nine-dash line" in hope to take over the entire sea region. Thirdly, we never wanted, and will never invade others, because Vietnam wants to be friend and cooperate with every other countries on the world, or simply because we only fight back when we're invaded, like back then when China did to us. And finally, shouldn't we be the one to not let you invade other countries? Because China is one of the most powerful country in the world currently.
Is this enough to fight with your statement yet?
@@嗯哼-s8p Invasions and conflicts in the past are inevitable. After a couple researches, Vietnam did invade Laos, Cambodia and Thailand in different ways. Firstly, our country attacked Laos during the 15th century, killing 200000 people, yes that's indeed a lot. About Cambodia, Viet soldiers stopped the Khmer rogue in their country. Their leader, Pol Pot, was a mass murderer, who killed thousands of innocents in our country. The Khmer rouge later moved into Thailand, which was the reason for the invasion in Thailand. It was not until 1989 when the Viet soldiers retreated, the relationship between both countries returned normal. During the 20th century, Vietnam started a new relationship with Laos. Both countries aided each others during the next years, helping in different aspects.
Now back to China. During the Song Dynasty, China was planning to invade Vietnam, so they were rallying troops and preparing supplies at a small city near the border. We Vietnam had no other choice, but to stop the plan from succeeding, and took down the place. After that, we didn't took the city or anything, just simply retreated just as if the threat is stopped.
These may not be recorded in our history books, or I haven't learnt all of them since I'm still a student, but I'm sure that even if countries invaded each others in the past, they're trying to make peace for a better world. Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand and Laos are close friends now, and our country even make friend with your country China, who invaded us for 1000 years consecutively.
I don't know about historical records in your museum, and I haven't got the time and money to even visit our own national museum to check the records myself. But if I had, I would check them out when the pandemic ends.
I don't want to bring up this topic anymore, nor causing any drama on social medias. Peace.
@@嗯哼-s8p China history is full of lies and cover up. "1989 Tiananmen Square Protests and Massacres" is one of those, now the Chinese are banned from talking about it. And that just 33 years ago, let's not talk about anything like 1,000 years ago.
@@嗯哼-s8p Oh yeah, then please tell me what happen in Tiananmen square. I'd like to know your history version.
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And on China help Vietnam tries to repay every day and don't worry China deserves every payback.
@@嗯哼-s8p Vietnam was not necessarily a vassal. It was an independent nation who were traditionally enemies of the chinese because of multiple invasion attempts. If you look at Ukraine right now, you think similar to how Putin thinks, that if a country has a shared history in the past that they can deny the sovereignty of a nation. Also, during the first and second indochina wars, Vietnam’s closest ally was the soviet union, not China. EVERY country has had gruesome history that many regret now, unlike China and their modern genocides.
America: we have a free of navigation
Cuba: okay me too
America: dont move
Freedom of navigation not freedom to make fake islands
9:12 I think you have some mistakes here. It should be Cambodia, Thailand and Myanmar since Laos is always the first one that actively supporting Vietnam's opinion in every ASEAN Summit while Cambodia is the one that has been supporting China ever since 1997 ( China has been supporting Cambodia economically and militaristically) , Myanmar has also been slowly drifting towards China ever since Aung San Suu Kyi got into power and Thailand is getting the same treatment like Cambodia.
I thought Thailand was more on the neutral side?
@@IDK-fv3hu well when Prayut seized power, Thailand started drifting slowly towards China ( although Prayut himself with his government is trying to keep Thailand neutral but I still doubt about it when most Thai's people really don't like the man and the monarchy). For more information about why Thailand drifting towards China, you can search about bilateral trade and military relations between China-Thailand ( you will understand why they might become the second Cambodia if they can't keep their long-term neutrality ).
@Underpaid T-72 mechanic learn more about Burmese politics lad. You will find out Aung San Su Kyi had no true power other than tons of supports from citizens.
@Underpaid T-72 mechanic you would be even more surprise to know that the Rohingya genocide is some sort related to her
Why would Cambodia support China after China backed the Khmer Rouge
as a oversea Chinese i think this video is clear and neutral, i agree with most of your views, like❤
China: Dammit! Why are you here!? You literally live on the other side of the world!
USA: I like it here.
U.S.A : ' i like taiwan's noodles
USA: I like oil oil oil
@@donglai4468The US produces the most oil in the world now lol
This video is from 1 year ago, but as of now, it his highly relevant. It is the powder keg of the future, and the fuse already has been lit, but the question is how long the fuse is before it all blows up
The smaller countries in this region should take note on what's happening in the current ukraine and russian war. Big countries won't always help you, despite promises.
The US and Philippines has mutual defense treaty unlike Ukraine though. The only thing im not sure about is if US would really defend Philippines.
@@pattrickmerete
US not defending the Philippines despite having a defense treaty is effectively political suicide tho. Unless Czechoslovakia 2.0 happens to the Philippines, but that's another kind of political suicide so ehhh....
Unlike Ukraine, the SEA countries actually have a military treaties called ASEAN and Commonwealth. If China attack one, all of them will retaliates. Not to mention they also in the Commonwealth which will make UK and Australia directly involved if they got attacked.
@@pattrickmerete Philippines are asking for trouble in this way. We don't see Philippines as enemies, but if you guys work with US. We'll have to treat you as one of the targets.
@@LongLivetheCapitalistthey have been forced to the US as a backer because of Chinas aggression. It’s a simple counter balance.
Comes in handy for me. It's one of the subjects I have to study for the state exam in order to become a teacher here in France. It's at the end of the month. Thanks man!
Well you had the 1st real comment in his comment section the rest seemed to just be bots. Who gets over 50 likes and not a single comment
I from Vietnam
yeah but Spratly and Paracel Islands belong to VIetnam. In Diary on Amphitrite (1701) said "Paracels is a part of Annam",“Le Mémoire sur la Cochinchine” of Jean Baptiste Chaigneau (1769 - 1825) also said it, Univers, histoire et description de tous les peuples, de leurs religions, moeurs et coutumes” of Priest Taberd said the same.The French owned it when Vietnam was a French Colony. Remember the Geneva Treaty about Korean Peninsula and Indochina.
it is fake, dont belive in these propaganda, the whole sea is 100% serbian.
But there are a lot of little mistakes in this video, you better do some more research on your own
If just staring to the map itself, the Philippines is the closest to the Spartly's, and Vietnam really owned so much of the islands! What a little China of SEA.
shut up stupidDUDE
China and more than 168 member states of the United Nations have publicly signed the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) adopted in 1982, also called the Law of the Sea Convention, or the Law of the Sea Treaty, which affirms Vietnam's sovereignty over the Paracel and Spratly archipelagoes. Here is the original document of 1982 UNCLOS --- The United Nations [UN] reiterates Vietnam’s sovereignty over Paracel and Spratly archipelagoes. The National Assembly reaffirms the sovereignty of the Socialist Republic of Viet Nam over its internal waters and territorial sea; the sovereign rights and jurisdiction in the contiguous zone, the exclusive economic zone and the continental shelf of Viet Nam, based on the provisions of the Convention and principles of international law; and calls on other countries to respect the above-said rights of Viet Nam. The National Assembly [authorizes] the National Assembly's Standing Committee and the Government to review all relevant national legislation to consider necessary amendments in conformity with the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea [UNCLOS], and to safeguard the interests of Viet Nam. (un.org)
I read an article this morning that said that Vietnam had banned the “Barbie” movie because the movie has a map in it that contains The 9 dash line. I had no clue what it was an I’d never heard of it. That’s what brought me here. Interesting……
Ayy nice! Thought you might cover this after your previous vids regarding territorial disputes. Considering the quality of your previous vids I will enjoy this thoroughly. Keep up the great work
Just by you giving Vietnam a straw hat is enough for me to like this video. XD
Nice to see that you’ve released a new video keep up the good work.
As a vietnamese, this is tastefully done explaination, no bias nor prejudice.
@user-uf1tu6ce8c smartest NA (or EU) citizen
Great video. You touches ln many of the important geopolitical things going on in that region
Thanks for becoming my first channel member!
@@PoliticswithPaint thanks, I didn't realize I was the first. When did you start membership for your channel.
@@PoliticswithPaint you should do a geopolitical video on the history of the Ottoman Empire to start and then going into Turkeys future potential for Eastern Mediterranean dominance. But also add in Turkeys rising tensions with its neighbour's Russia, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Greece and Egypt. Also another idea Is talking about a what a rising powerful India would be, and the competition and present/future geopolitical struggles with PRC and Pakistan. Also the rise of the Quad, and how that geopolitical organization is going to play out. I'm 33 and Canadian btw. I like your content and always glad to see your content. And if you ever do a Canadian type video, then that's a bonus 😉lol.
@@Hamsteak Thanks for the suggestions! I definitely plan to talk more about Turkey and India. I've also got a few topic ideas regarding Canada!
@@PoliticswithPaint sorry for the late reply, but that would be awesome. So many different topics per each subject. Looking forward to the future of your channel 👍
Clean, Informative, and trusted
thanks for the content
thanks a lot
Nicely done, like the simple art style by the way
thank you for going over this topic in a neutral tone and not taking sides, I can already see how it's gonna sound if western media is to report on this issue. And I'm very surprised to see US has undergone similar path in the Caribbean
15:45 you also have to mention that the US and the countries surrounding the South China sea are not colonial powers, which might at first seem to make almost no change, it does change the fact that there are no native people who wish to get independence from a certain power. Cuba for example wanted to get independence from spain which gave the US a chance to assert its dominance by aiding cuba against spain whilst china can't do that cuz none of the islands are colonized.
Not colonial powers but puppets😊
@@NL-tr7ix all of em are independent and strong alone, so no.
Yea the Philippines for instance has 80% public approval for rejoining America but yet the Philippines is still independent. If America was a colonial power this would be the excuse we need yet we still do not annex them. Want to know why because we aren't a f*cking colonial power!
@@teardataco8913 Not even close, especially Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, and the Philippines (except for the current president Duterte) listen to every of what US says, Malaysia seems likely neutral, and Vietnam is getting closer of a US puppet too now against China😊
@N L
Not a puppet though because those countries COULD kick the U.S. out. There’s even often anti U.S. sentiments in those countries. Just doesn’t get too far because China exists.
Trump publicly talked about leaving and all those leaders spoke to Trump on the importance of the relationship.
U.S. wants easy world trade not domination. It gets everyone to work in it’s system. Most stable places don’t want to upset the cart.
That’s why we don’t go to war with China right now. They benefited from the “freedom of navigation” the U.S. imposed on the world.
As an Indonesian, watching the shenanigans that arose from this clusterfuck of an ocean is entertainment at it's finest
we in too my bro natuna exists 💀💀
It is Cambodia not lao.
you are mistaking about that , but you do quite a good job about explain it.
Thanks for making this video. Well done 👍🏻
Vietnam: this small pert of the sea is mine
Malaysia: no it's mine
Brunei: no it's mine
Philippines: you all are wrong it's mine
China: i own all of it
Everyone: what?
China: I OWN ALL OF IT
Taiwan: i hate you but i agree
USA: this look like a job for me
Aut*stic Screaming*
Ah, the country of Vitamin
@@TrafficPartyHatTest sorry for the misspelling
不是全部，但大部分是有了。
Taiwan (ROC) : I hate you but i agree (plus 2 more dashes)
Vietnan claim also absurd
Love this and the other videos in the series! ❤️
Great Video with unbiased view!
I got an idea, China signs treaties with all the sea countries and withdraws from the area on the condition that these sea countries must sink all us navy ships that pass through the area.
if they sink a US ship they would be indirectly declaring war on the USA
@@pspsppsps8660 who knows who sunk the US ships, what if a whale crashed onto the ship and sunk it, or a large wave capsizes the US ship? Is the US going to declare war on the sea?
@@1mol831... you want those countries to ship all us navy ships entering those waters, if 1 or 2 ships capsize which is very unlikely the US will still investigate it but since you're telling them to go sink all US navy ships i think the USA will start to get suspicious why ever Ship they send to the south china sea is sunk also on this day and age military technology it's super easy to pin point which ship fires on which and another flaw with your idea is that US navy ships are already incredibly hard to sink in the first place
@@1mol831 also they would have to declare that they're gonna start sinking US ships that crossed into those waters first anyways
很中立的视频，谢谢你让我从不同的角度思考南海问题
中肯？中国在元朝就已经开始管理南海并绘制地图了，不是1930
@@飞王-f9m 兄弟，元是蒙古人的，我们汉人就别认贼作父了，你怎么不去认日本？
@@Hzq1016 内蒙古
如果一个蒙古族说自己是炎黄子孙你会怎么想？“中华民族”不过是句政治口号，其实中华一直指的只是汉族，这种话题也算是中国的政治正确了没人敢提罢了，其实仔细研究会发现经不起推敲，就像岳飞霍去病等很多人是不是民族英雄？要知道他们对抗的那些外敌很多都是现今的少数民族@@61199-y
Thanks for interesting video. But I think we should mention RUSSIA to the list of external actors. It involves to SCS as a balancer between China and Vietnam, and as a partner of China to counter the USA. Russia's economic interests in SCS should be considered because it has many joint oil companies with Vietnam and Indonesia, more than India.
Moreover, the most ally of China among ASEAN members is Cambodia. This country has prevented ASEAN unification for every anti-China resolution.
ASEAN relationship with China(official+public) :
Very positive:
1. Cambodia
2. Myanmar
Positive:
1. Thailand
2. Laos
Neutral, positive leaning:
1. Singapore
Neutral:
1. Brunei
2. East Timor
Neutral, negative leaning:
1. Malaysia
2. Indonesia
Negative:
1. Vietnam
Very negative:
1. Philippines
@@henrywang3403 i think my countru, vietnam should be neutral, negative leaning because except from the sea dispute our relationship is pretty good.
@@quynhanhcao9629 True. Our targets are taiwan and Japan.
@@henrywang3403 can you give me a source. Instead, just getting this out of your ass.
@@quynhanhcao9629 that bullshit
You didn't mention The Hague 'victory' of the Philippines' claim. Although, it's still useless as it seems
Of course it is useless. I mean what do you expect from china's lapdog in malacañang.
The arbitral ruling is useless because it has no bearing with China, they didn't even attend. It's not about being a "lapdog".
Remember when the previous admin sent an envoy for talks with Scarborough Shoal, when the envoy returned, the Shoal was already occupied by China.
@@impreza0109 thats not how international law works. even they ddnt attend. they are assignatory to UNCLOS wich submit them under the jurisdiction so shutap maderpaker. international law expertt
@@nanodesu9031 @Nayre We don't stand a chance against China's military power, even if we won by a law do you think a most powerful nation would just agree with it. Thankfully to the "China's lapdog" the war is prevented by trying to have a peace talk
China is a shameless nation, it's plain looking at the map that it's silly. It is a big country and it is bullying other small countries, refusing to abide by the international law they have signed up to before. Justice will win
15:40, is Austria-Hungary holding the rifle wrong and Germany’s eye twitch is amazing attention to detail
Claiming to own a region is easy, but actually controlling it is more important. In the face of America’s mighty military prowess, the United Nations is essentially powerless. This tells us a truth: whoever has more warships holds the power of speech.
War in our region will only bring destruction and misery. It would also stop ASEAN's progress. I hope ASEAN as a whole will claim the territory as a shared property. All natural proceeds should fund ASEAN initiatives like a Unified Army, Universal Healthcare, Housing, Technology Research, etc. so we don't have to rely on super powers for our own defense.
That sounds cool but you know it will never gonna happen though
So, ASEAN macroparliament when?
Asean can agree who get what but the the sea dispute is hard
Well, China and US won't let that happen. It's much easier to conquer when the region is divided.
Asean needs to exist like e.u and u.s
Only these collectives can bring peace against giant empire like Russia and China
The video omits the current situation of the Spratly islands: Viet Nam took 30 reefs. The Philippines took 7 reefs. China took 7 reefs.
Not only that, Vietnam had extracted billions of dollars of oil and gas, but none by China. So much for being neutral.
I agree with you. The video omitted relevant information. The occupied reefs are all white elephants now, whatever the nationality owns them. Without the CCP China 9-dash line maritime claim, EEZ's have been neatly delineated among the South China Sea coastal states, including mainland China and Taiwan.
@@francissantos7448 China's 9-dash line is historical claims and rights consistently claimed by the previous Chinese government and the PRC. They precede and are not in conflict with international sea laws. EEZ can overlap and it is for related countries to negotiate the code of conduct in case of that. Taiwan is a rebel province of China that transferred all of China's gold reserves there in 1949 and China is carrying out patrols and exercises around it almost every day before incoming territorial unification.
@@blandwinde thank you for perspective X. CCP 9-dash line is circa 1947. Philippines documentary evidence of Spratlys and Scarborough shoal as Filipono territory is a 1734 Spanish map. This territorial claim is signed by the US in 1901 Treaty of Washington. This was one of the legal arguments at the Hague Tribunal ruling of 2016. The US has independently determined that CCP China and Taiwan claims of "ownership" of the South China Sea has no basis in international law January 2022.
@@francissantos7448 The US as a naval hegemony never participated in the international sea law convention. When China approved the international sea law convention, China had a special pre-condition that China doesn't accept any arbitration or court ruling and only agrees to negotiate with related countries. The 9-dash claim was already there before CCP took power and the government cannot back from it or it will be spat on the face by 1.4 billion people. But when countries have conflicting claims, negotiation is the way to solve them.
Asian countries: we need to work together!
America: let me introduce myself
Sometimes you need a big bully in order to fight another big bully.
@@samuelhan2746 至少不會強佔 說自古以來啥的屁話了
@@samuelhan2746 阿拉斯加
That's what you took from this video, seriously?
Asian countries: we need to work together!
China: you is all barbarians and I own all of you.
Seriously, jokes aside, if China didn't believe they were the oldest and greatest civilisation in the world and that all of Asia, or at least the parts that look Asian) should belong to them we wouldn't have so many problems. Especially if Europeans and Americans realised this too.
The illustration is so cute >.
*waiting anxiously*
Hi love you
Actually Taiwan claim 11 dash line, but PRC claim 9dash line. because PRC gave 2lines to her ally communist Vietnam
Oh, how kind of them to us. Emmmm
Oh thanks for attempting to invade us in 1979. We will be good allies
@@sonpk0 dude im not from PRC nor Taiwan
My god, imagine one day interstellar travel becomes possible, I don't know how terrible the territorial conflicts would rise.
我认为领土争端会消失，因为所有国家都会争着去占领其他星球，把眼光放在地球的话，看起来很可笑。
It's already going on, China find water sign from the Moon trip, bring back rocks.
Who establish the first moon base will have claim to that resource.
US is restarting its Moon project~
thank you for this informative video
I feel much more educated, and also much more concerned.
Yes
Please also provide WWII history. Under the Cairo Agreement, Japanese occupation of the islands was accepted by China. At that time, Southeast Asian countries were generally not independent, and their overlords did not fight for islands in the South China Sea for them. Controversy did not arise until after these countries became independent.
Mistakenly, Japan captured those islands from the French. Because in the 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th centuries it was part of the Vietnamese people. The French invaded Vietnam and then took over the islands. Both Ming and Qing dynasties China's maps do not include images of the sea and islands. The Chinese made a request to receive the islands after the Cairo conference, but the countries did not agree. That is why China does not have historical evidence to sue countries in Southeast Asia to the United Nations court.
@@tinhhoangvan9327 Only weak Countries care about United Nations Court，like Vietnam，Philippines，lol
@@xuchenzhang5079 That proves China's historical evidence is just fabricated and deceptive. You just want to rob other countries' islands and sovereign waters based on military might. Is there any difference between the Japanese imperialism, the Nazis of the 20th century, and the Chinese actions of the 21st century?
@@tinhhoangvan9327 U can say anything,but nothing work. Fact is fact,power is power.
@@tinhhoangvan9327 Territorial disputes are always difficult to track back, that's why they remain disputes to this day. Vietnamese natives lived on these islands back in the days, but Vietnam was also under Ming's hegemony when Ming was around, before it was colonized by the French. Chinese influence in the South China sea declined a lot after the collapse of Ming, along with the rise of Japan and European colonialism in South East Asia. I personally believe the nine-dash line is really a far stretch, but historical evidences act merely as cover pages on the table of politics. At the end of the day, it's all about the political interests of politicians in all these countries. If they announced that they will "protect their righteous claim" in the sea, they won't back down because of political pressure and the human tendency to not admit their mistakes. I wish countries remain peaceful and resolve these issues in the most non-violent way possible.
Great vid, keep it up!!
As a student in Vietnam, i knoe that in school they teach us that all of the island belong to Vietnam💀💀💀
Viet Nam was a dependency of China in ancient times.
Who taught you that?
@@wokao-z7c 越南必须这么教育。当然，一切是因为越南期望成为东南亚的地区强国，所以期望获得尽可能多的资源，也就是那些南海岛礁以及周边的海洋资源。为了越南本国利益，这无可厚非的。 中国本身也是基于同样的原则行事，如果不是基于此，我甚至都觉得中国目前的做法十分过分，但又有什么好说的呢，国民党时期划定了11段线，如果共产党放弃主张，就会成为被人攻击的着力点，其次当然也回到了中国利益的话题上，对于中国来讲，南海岛礁的战略意义，远大于攫取南海所拥有的资源，可以看做是侵略性防守，即扩大自己的安全范围，在南海建立军事侦查哨点，同时控制贸易交通航道，之所以要建立哨点以及控制航道，不是说必须要进行侵略性的建设，而是为了防止那些地区被其他国家用来建设军事哨点，对于交通航道的控制也是出于同样的考虑，数据上，南海航道上的贸易量十分巨大，但根本上这其中60%以上的贸易往来的对象是中国，那么选择自己控制这条掌握自己贸易航道的交通线，也就是成为了主要考量之一。
当然，一切的一切都是从国家博弈上来思考的，如果中国占了便宜，那么势必有国家吃亏，这是单纯的此消彼长的关系。
Thank you for a neutral point of view!
SCS is complicated and actually less dangerous than what west media makes it appear so. Although everyone is at everyone else's throat, they are mostly noises and all involved parties are refrained from escalating disputes.
Must be really fun to make the ball reactions... :)
A great and comprehensive video in general 👍 just that there is one minor thing - nine-dashed line was actually originated from eleven-dashed line, and the two dashes were given from China to Vietnam for communist friendship.
Tất cả chỉ vì trung quốc tham lam.. muốn chèn ép các nước nhỏ..vì lợi ích ở Biển Đông rất lớn nên nước này tham lam
白眼狼总是让人那么错付
@@hubiao.188covid có phải của china ko ??😂
Nice art, good job explaining
This video is very objective, thanks from Vietnam 🇻🇳
很客观中立的角度分析。谢谢~❤
The video is very well done, thank you for your efforts. As a Chinese, I think you have explained the dispute thoroughly and without prejudice. This video should be seen by more people.
U took our islands :(
@@Pancadebruh
as nmd Chinese
@@Pancade why south China sea called south 「China」sea
这么充满偏见吹他们的美爹，还护着呢😂
Vietnam also built many islands in South China Sea
Within their 200 mile zone though so it's legal
@@amcoolest3804 Only after the disputes are settled because the islands are also within other countries' 200 mile zone based on their disputes.
i love the artwork and explaination - neutral non bias. keep it up
This vid is gonna be very educational
Loved the similarity drawn between China's situation and the US's former situation!
do you know Taiwan still claims 11dashline since 1946 and West Soviet both supported it?
I mean, taiwan is still considered part of china anyway.
That’s interesting to know, and as a country we do have one island over there. But it’s mainly between the CCP and ASEAN nations since its gonna directly affect their security and economic seas.
@@zebimicio5204 Taiwan is the original China
Taiwan and China are the same. They're greedy
Taiwan and China are essentially then same, just different ideologies.
Finally an informative video that puts facts in front and skips the non-sense politics/partisanship. 99.99% of the debates out there are focused on the non-sense of who is right and who is wrong, when you think about islands in general, unless a population lives there (which these islands don't have), how can there really be any valid argument? All the parties in these disputes have NO RIGHT, period.
It's always about who has the bigger gun or more power to influence the result... just like the Caribbean
对的，真理只在大炮射程之内
Actually, there are people living there: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thitu_Island
@@gcf123t a population not people, Vietnam would have more people living on these islands than any other countries in this region, especially with its 21 controlled islands but that doesn't count as a population. When push come to shoves, it's only about who is stronger in this region
@@minhvu7256 I don't think the poster I was responding too was making that distinction. Furthermore, I don't think there is any basis in law for the distinction you're trying to make just now. While philosophically I do agree with your point in general (i.e. that ultimately it is strength and not laws that decide outcomes in international affairs), it is a also a fact that China is violating international law in general and UNCLOS in particular with its actions and so in that sense China is wrong.
@user-pi7md5br6f factually wrong. The US annexed Hawaii way before world war 2. Also please provide sources for your statement that "everyone recognized that the South China Sea belonged to China, but later independant countries said it was unfair, just like Cuba" or is this just your opinion? What is not funny is making up things just to make a point.
I love how the Philippine Ball just goes "REEEEE". Perfectly sums up our nation.
Im comfused, can you tell me whats the meaning of "REEEE"?
@@yewphondo4129 it's basically a "screeching" gesture on the Internet, mostly associated with people being either loud and obnoxious or a person being triggered, knowing the Pinoys I've seen in online games he probably meant the former
这个视频确实不错👍各方势力的相互制衡对于这个地区的和平相当重要。但也希望各国能回归谈判桌，人类需要和平与面包。
China:”South China sea is ours.” US:”where’s your reasoning?” China:”in the name South China Sea.” *panting in India (indian ocean)
It's also the west Philippines sea or South seas.
That's why Indonesia legally change its portion as North Natuna Sea. You guys should change it to.. East Philippines sea ,etc
@@Si_nengatcha Wouldn't Southeast Asian Sea make much more sense?
印度要是有美国那实力，印度洋有可能真是他的
China is a shameless nation, it's plain looking at the map that it's silly. It is a big country and it is bullying other small countries, refusing to abide by the international law they have signed up to before. Justice will win
This'll be fun
非常中立的一个视频，感谢博主称述南中国海的历史和政治，我们希望可以完美解决，不要用于军事和政府间的对立
要么让出南海，要么要回海参崴，别双标
海参崴有永远的痛
讲的比较中肯，感谢制作的视频。
Paracel Island and Spratly Island is Vietnam .
nonsense it belongs to the philippine, why do you claim such territory when its so far away from your coast line?
China's succession to the South China Sea is based on the Republic of China, or even earlier. At that time, there were no countries around the South China Sea. The predecessors of these countries were to identify with the sovereignty of China (or the former dynasty) over the region at that time.
Moreover, countries that claimed sovereignty over the sea area and islands agreed with China‘s sovereignty over the region until the 1870s until the discovery of oil in the sea area.
所以我们依然支持我们的国家！
Yeah，You told the truth that video bloggers don't.
They claim it but actually those Chinese that says are trading goods somewhere there in Philippines. And that 9 dash line is absurd. 200km in our economic zone and doesn't respect international law of waters ?
The map of the Qing Empire as depicted by the major countries of the time, they all included the South China Sea.
In Indonesia we started to call it North natuna sea since a bunch of Chinese Fisher cross the border and cause some problems
I'm Chinese, and I found this video fair and rational. And, South China Sea should *not* go wrong, otherwise it will give a great impact on diplomatic relations and global finance. May negotiations be made and peace comes early!
This was really informative, thank you! Looking for a neutral overview / background primer. I can usually trust poland ball to have that.
the philippines just seem like an after thought in this video and just another country in the conflict even though we were the ones who kept challenging china's claim.
挑战我们打你
@@张张菲菲-i7z Try it.
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Great video good job
Great work, very clear.
This video is very timely because of the current Russian invasion of Ukraine. The world is observing the reactions of U.S.A. on this matter which will serve as a blueprint of what may happen to this sea of concern.
Neither of them is important for the national interest of the USA imo.
@@ibingobingo I see. That means that the current Russian Ukraine issue could not serve as any clue to what U.S.A. could do in this sea of concern. You have a point there.
China is a shameless nation, it's plain looking at the map that it's silly. It is a big country and it is bullying other small countries, refusing to abide by the international law they have signed up to before. Justice will win
@@ibingobingo MAYBE, but its not just the U.S. It is rather how the rest of the world reacts.
ATM china is being tugged by two groups of people. One who only focus on the u.S and the other that focus on the global scale.
that being said, china is cautious on what they will do to taiwan, because they saw the sanctions, they saw the aid given to such rebels. Now they are focusing on building naval vessels to completely engulf said country, but also trying to find ways to financially not worry about sanctions or being cutt off from the global banking system.
but that is only the tip of the iceburge
Ukraine and Russia don't matter to the USA. They matter to Europe. The Pacific Ocean and SEA matter to the USA. The ocean is not a barrier it is a road, and the USA can't abide a major rival within naval striking distance. Even if the USA let Ukraine go, that doesn't mean they would let China consolidate SEA.
I would like to ask if the UK and Greece have a lot of territorial waters attached to other countries, is this reasonable?
不合理，因为太远了。
@@wangxiao2752 我是说希腊也贴着土耳其画海岸线 英国也贴着法国 西班牙画海岸线 你们咋就觉得合理 中国就不合理 明显就是西方意识形态的偏见
No, the UK does not have lots of territorial waters inside what would otherwise be someone elses EEZ, it has a rock collection in the middle of nowhere. Greece's claims are also pretty unreasonable, but Greco-Turkish tensions are about far more than just the EEZ and need to be negotiated between the two countries, though I doubt either of them is mature enough to do that.
This is the reason why the SCS is so complicated. All of the claims of the disputing countries are legally and technically valid.
except for china lol :V
the claim from han dynasty that china there was china now, is also like mongolian claim all china :D
not true at all. the classic rule of a valid modern territory claim has only 2 requirements: 1. it has to be presented by a modern country (ancient historical ownership doesn't count) 2. at the time of the claim declaration there's no objection by other MODERN SOVEREIGN countries. so basically you have to make a claim as early as possible before anyone else and with no objections from other countries at THAT TIME to be considered as a valid territorial claim. well, ALL THE other claimants than china, were not even sovereign countries at the time china made the claim, AND the colonial masters of those claimants actually made no objections at the time. now you tell me which claim is by definition legitimate? lol
@@LongHoang-wx9zu you have no idea what u are talking about. lol historical ownership or activities are not required conditions to sustain a valid claim, but can certainly make a valid claim reasonable.
@@LongHoang-wx9zu The 9 dash line predates the existence of the independent SEA nations.
so u heard that from your goverment right @@henrywang3403
At the end of the day, Winnie the Pooh will always and forever grab every weak neighbourhood toy.
and the neighbourhood from North and other side of Pacific
Indian air force have been doing exercises with Malaysian air force lately, it's good that other nations are helping Malaysia in it's aging fleet
Something that needs to be mentioned is that in the 30s while KMT was drawing the 9 dash line, Vietnam, Malaysia and Philippines didn't exist. It was France, Portugal and USA.
They still existed, it’s not as if they were wiped out.
@@domenico_ginny6164 那你们当时怎么不反对呢？
>shits on nfts
DO I NEED MORE REASONS TO LIKE THIS CHANNEL?
中肯，简洁明了，这是一个很棒的视频
China probably claimed the moon too without anyone knowing about it lol
ROC 🇹🇼 actually claim 11 dash
很客观，没有偏向任何一方
Vietnam claimed most Islands
As a Malaysian...I'm suggesting peace
As a Filipino, I wholeheartedly agree. War is terrible.
@@adisbern yes...we've learned that a lot but still...big countries still want dominance and power
@@adisbern as a filipino i would fight for it for future generation. And for our national interest.
I believe China would not resort to arm conflict, posturing maybe but not arm conflict. The one making the situation worse is USA and British military roaming around SCS
@@saltyrice821 watch history about SCS...China though the sea is all their's...eventhought there's borders made by other country...China entered Malaysian's territorial water multiple times
taiwan used the 11 dash line NOT the 9 dash line
as a Filipino, we call the SCS the WEST PHILIPPINE SEA (WPS)
Everyone in the world: South China sea
Only Philippines: West Philippines sea😂😂😂😂
@@yyc3841chinese wumao 😂😂😂
@@King-ur7ev cry more poor country Philippines
One of the very rare videos that describing the situation without a too obvious anti-China tone.