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@@IndonesiaMajapahitNDPCA @China Chicken Soup I don't release the videos immediately when I upload them. First, my Channel Members and Patrons get to see them, then later it goes public.
@@PoliticswithPaint you know japan attacked manchuria china 1931 after they blew up their own train.just like usa blew up their own ship to attack cuba
my great uncle designed gitmo post 9-11 Taliban detention facility. head architect. he said it was alot nicer than most Americans living conditions wise.
It goes the other way though. America literally cannot leave if the Cubans don't want them to, which - considering Cuba's political situation in the decades after the agreement was signed - isn't as crazy as it sounds.
I'd love to sign a lease agreement with my landlord that says the only way I get evicted, is if I leave, or we mutually agree to terminate the lease. That seems like a fair and balanced contract between equal parties.
I love your approach to clothes on Polandballs, gives them a lot of personality, as well as a historical context, since it's in this case about countries with very unchanging flags. In any case great video :)
@@sleekilla I thaught it was. But if someone was born on the base would they get Cuban citizenship or American citizenship??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
It is the oldest overseas US Base. There is a whole different part of the base that is across the bay from where Camp Delta is. There are two sides to the base, windward and leeward. The air station and Camp Delta are on Windward, the actual Naval base is on the other side. The Navy used Gitmo as a base for intensive training of ships. I've been there three times. The way that the treaty was written was because the Cuban government feared the US would leave. So the treaty said that if either party wants out the other has to agree. In 1999 the treaty expired and the provisions made it renew. Castro said he wanted the US gone, but he would honor the treaty as it was written.
@karimhabsi6508 hardly. We won they lost. They will never touch that land. Bar acts of God. And should they ever we will take it back at our choosing. Its not as if they ever could hope to stop us anyway. Frankly the issue is moot as long as a communist government remains in power in Havana.
Good video, but I wish you'd covered WHY US turned Gitmo into a prison/detention centre (it's because their own laws against mistreating prisoners would only apply to locations on US soil)
@@cartrellsplunge1525 From a former commander of gitmo: "One of the principal advantages to placing the detainees in Guantanamo Bay or a similar location was the legal status that non-U.S. soil provided. If the detainees weren’t in the U.S., then they wouldn’t have the same rights under American laws, the argument went. Some of these included the right to legal representation, rights of prisoners, and rights to the American legal system. One government official referred to the base as the "legal equivalent of outer space." To the Bush administration, this was an immense advantage in the consideration of long-term detention." We learn something new every day :) (Sorry UA-cam didn't let me post the link, but if you search for this quote it should take you to the Atlantic source.)
@@aratasman77 The problem being there are a lot of terrorists in Gitmo that would be impossible to try and convict in a US court of law because evidence against them was either illegally obtained, inadmissible in court, or classified. Of course, a lot of innocent people also ended up there. Most were afghanis turned in by other afghanis on shaky grounds and did get released after a few years. Some though, did not for whatever reason. Maybe just too embarrassing to admit we'd locked up innocent people.
@@pax6833 Hey buddy, I think you've got half-of-the-way there. US has prosecuted terrorists before and convicted them in the courts. The issue is that US puts people in gitmo to shield itself from adhering to internationally recognized rights of detainees (for example not torturing minors, go read the case for Omar Khadr) while they're deciding what should be done about them. US does convict some in gitmo, and does release some. The broader issue is what I think you alluded to, other people's lives mean so little to US that they rather spend millions to keep them in a legal limbo than to admit wrongdoing. Just imagine YOU yourself, at no fault of your own, were put in that situation. I don't think this injustice is in any shape or form defensible.
@@aratasman77 But that doesn't make any sense because according to the own agreement the base it's still under Cuban sovereignty, which means that their basic laws still apply on it despite being a foreign military installation. The US is violating those laws on purpose.
It was sought by the US Navy as a coaling station which coal-fired navies around the world were always looking for. Once ships switched to oil, it's strategic importance became questionable.
Having a Navy base close to the mouth of the Gulf drastically helps with mainland security. However with Puerto Rico further East than Cuba, Cuba is literally surrounded by US and US ally territory. I seriously don't see any US enemy being able to send any troops/supplies there without US knowledge/permission. Just my two cents.
It's a f * colony... For things like that the non-Americans. We believe that the US is very hypocritical to be outraged by the invasion of Russia when there are colonies like this in the world
The US though has made it it's mission to crush any popular uprisings in South-America that were opposed to it. Cuba is the one that got away and that wound to their pride is still something they can't get over. I also have some doubts Cuba will accept the deal, they will want to use it to also get the sanctions liften as they know almost everyone that isn't 100% dependent on the US also wants them lifted.
@@firasajoury7813 That was 60 years ago. I'm talking about the current day. There isn't a true peer to the US anymore. (China will be eventually, but not yet) With modern surveillance my original statement holds true.
That's assuming that the US public would go along with an invasion of Cuba. The US public appetite for war limits how much the US can exert its power. Consider it wasn't the Tet offensive that caused the US to leave Vietnam, it was domestic US opposition to the war
@@ThePurplePassage none of that is relevant. When attacked first the public is easily swayed and has never failed to go along with it. Along with the fact a full invasion of cuba by the U.S would be a relatively quick occupation and setup of puppet government.
@@UnholyWrath3277 "When attacked first the public is easily swayed..." In other words, you are calling my argument irrelevant by assuming a priori that the problem I raised has already been solved and a sufficiently convincing casus belli to motivate the US public to support the war has been found.
@@UnholyWrath3277 So you consider that a Cuban attack on Guantánamo (whether successful or not) would engender a sufficiently negative reaction amongst the US public to warrant an invasion of Cuba. Maybe. Give the imperialist overtones, the increased war weariness of the US public post-Aghanistan and Iraq and the controversial detentions at Gitmo, I am not quite so sure that a full invasion would be quite as well-supported amongst the US public as your comments suggest you believe
Visited GITMO twice during the early 1970’s for shakedown training after shipyard overhauls. As for restricting commercial shipping, I recall watching a Soviet freighter pass through the bay. Escorted of course.
@@mwduck More like, that land could be developed to increase and improve shipping. With a base in the middle, Cuba is restricted from turning it into a major economic port.
@@gatlank6080 Cuba has several ports, they do not need Gtmo to develop into a major economic port, they could do it in other Cuban ports. They are bankrupt and owe money to lots of countries that were stupid enough to loan them money. They use the money for the Cuban oligarchs to enjoy a hell of a lifestyle while they cannot feed their people.
Cubano here! Thanks to Guantanamo Bay being a thing, a favorite fact of mine about Cuba is that it technically has a Subway and McDonald's because of it! Some things I'd like to clarify: The Cuban Missile Crisis was more than just Soviet missiles in Cuba. The bigger issue was also the US having missiles in NATO member Turkey, which used to border the USSR. The USSR was concerned Cuba would shift towards China, so to get Cuba to remain in the Soviet sphere, Khruschev agreed with Fidel Castro to place missiles on the island. And some Cuban independence fighters actually WANTED to join the US as a state. That was the original intention of the star on Cuba's flag and why the colors chosen were red, white, and blue, which was designed by Cubans who lived in exile with Puerto Rican revolutionaries in NYC (the Puerto Rican flag was also designed in NYC). Of course nowadays, the star no longer represents that (now it just represents independence and freedom)
@@Levz-U2G "exactly" except it's not. The top-left square is bigger on the old Yara flag. Not to mention the square is red. While yeah, the Chilean flag's design inspired the Yara flag, the Chilean flag's colors in turn was inspired by the French and AMERICAN revolutions. The Chilean star represents Venus, while the original symbolism for the CUBAN star was to appeal to the US for statehood.
yeah there is a name for américans going to live in other countries and trying to encourage US invading and anexing the place they failed in cuba but succeed in other places like texas and hawai
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@@billynomates920 I was based in GTMO 91-93. Flew A-4s for real. Base defense and adversary mission. I was Navy and never flew harriers. My screen name is short for Aviator Grip. Grip was my callsign.
Interesting thing is that the justification for war with spain was also very controversial, with the USS Maine supposedly not having been blown up by the Spaniards, like the US said, but by an internal explosion or mine.
Like anyone from that time would be able to investigate a sunken ship like that and find out how it sunk. Claiming they knew the cause then is ridiculous, they probably actually believe Spain sunk it. They might have; I’ve not scene any proof saying otherwise.
There is actually an airspace restrictions as well, and this lead to a plane crash due to the pilot not being able to see the strobe lights. So even though it had good terrain, the means of getting there….. mehhh
Fun fact: every single year the UN votes on a resolution to end the unnecessary and frankly inhumane embargo placed on Cuba, and every single year every country supports the resolution. Except Israel and the US
I think Obama tried or wanted to do away with thr embargo only to have Trump reinstate it. I doubt Biden would do much considering he has no idea what plant he's on most days of the week.
Cuba needs Gitmo there. It is a little bit of prosperous America on a slip of an economic cesspool. Gitmo provides hundreds (thousands?) of jobs for Cubans. GI's stationed there love the place, at least for a while.
@@0IIIIII the US has no moral weight to lecture russia or china on anything then, especially with the people telling russia to leave crimea, same logic "no reason to let it go"
you left out that the base is shrinking every year due to having to build inward when the fence line needs to be repaired and it's a central point where counter drug ops are conducted vis coast guard and other government agencies. i was stationed there in the mid-late 90s.
In the Treaty of Paris of 1898, The Philippines and Guam were also involved. However, through deception the Filipinos thought the US was helping them gain independence from Spain only to be dragged into another war with the Americans which lead to eventual colonization by the US for the next 47 years.
@@Starter102 The Spanish American war marks America's entry into the position of an Imperialist Power. It was late on entry but is today the world wide neo liberal Empire.
@@kimobrien. a communist complaining about imperialism 😂 as if it makes a difference whether a king, oligarch, autocrat, or bureaucrat is in charge of an empire
@@liberaltears1714 You've created an Empire and now its coming apart because of the capitalist own short sightedness. You became a ruing class and now you are on your way to demise because you've been believing to many of your own lies. Capital doesn't create anything and neither do markets. Capital is just money and a market is just a place to trade. It is human labor mental and manual that creates. The stock market is just a big gambling casino. You system of finance becomes nothing but a way of privatizing profit and socializing risk. You require a huge bureaucracy to constantly overlook and manage everything down to the penny. You drive everything into the service of profit maximization. You neglect education and healthcare because you seek only to maximize profit by cutting labor time. You demand the speed be increased and more risk of our safety beciase you want bigger profits for yourselves.
@@liberaltears1714 The US Empire is based upon foreign investment playing a return back to the owners in the US. Capitalist greeds most important product is the international industrial working class.
One of my coworkers is a marine who’s deployed there and his biggest problem seems to be the rats he’s feeding still don’t like him. Update: He’s home now and misses the iguanas and possum sized rats
Thanks for this presentation. As an Australian, I thought it was associated with the 1800's . Thanks for making this clearer. Very interesting geopolitics.
Mistake. When Castro became the leader of Cuba, he flew to the USA, and president Eisenhower refused to speak to him. Castro then boarded a plane for Moscow. Castro was a socialist, not a communist, but he needed support for his leadership. US wouldn't give it so he chose the Soviet Union. Imagine how different things could be today, if the president of the USA hadn't given Castro the middle, one finger salute.
Mind explaining the difference between socialism and communism? The USA gave him a middle finger? Lol, he spoke with the VP, Nixon. Nixon btw communicated to Eisenhower that while Castro was a moron, he was a charismatic leader that they should try to guide. But who do you think is the natural ally to a revolutionary leftist? The USA or the USSR? Cuba was always going to align itself with Russia.
@@TheOwenMajor castro was not even explicitly a communist in this time period, however. the cuban revolution was a nationalist revolution that adopted a communist ideology much, much later. castro himself consistently denied being a communist or socialist until he eventually became convinced that communism was the best way for cuba to develop, in part because of cuba's relationship with the ussr. when he met with nixon, he still was not a communist or socialist, he was a nationalist. america fumbled the bag.
@@geoffreyherrick298in your own words, please explain what the US could’ve done to convince Ho Chi Minh to become a US ally that the US would accept. Go on
@@wormwood8352you are arrogant speaking on matters you don’t understand. Explain and provide proof that the US could’ve done better with Castro given what they had at the time
It's very simple. If you were to design the perfect harbor for warships, you'd design Guantanamo Bay. Now, otherwise, it's a miserable place. We pulled in a few times (once for "liberty", we were NOT happy about that) and it only had a commissary, a bowling alley, and a pizza place. And chickens. For some reason, I recall there being chickens. Hot as hell, and a damned desert. Even before the internment camps it was a prison.
@@mwduck - I suppose it would depend on your job. Can't see the pilots not enjoying themselves, but the poor bastard who has to sit in trailers all day pulling the pins on CS grenades for CBRN training? Gotta be tedious, especially since there's jack-all to do when the day is done. And I never met anyone on a ship who was happy about the place. Can't imagine that being your home port.
@@sword_of_light It was great duty back in the day. As soon as work was done, we would head out into the Caribbean with two tanks. I can see the crew of visiting ships being bored. Not a lot of recreational activities during liberty, and nobody could go "out into town."
80’s squid. Visited Club Gitmo on three different occasions, two warship refreshers prior to Med deployments. Hotter than BEEP but you’re forgetting that outdoor movie screen, the softball fields and that formaldehyde beer or whatever it was at the “pizza place.” LOL! Memories like it was yesterday.
1. The Cuban missile crisis was a lot more complex, notably it was the US who first stationed nuclear missiles close to the soviet heartland in turkey 2. Equating Castro and batista entirely with the only differentiating factor between them being the power who supports this is very dishonest. Batista allowed American tobacco, sugar and fruit companies to strap the Cubans of their land, large parts of rural Cuba were in deep poverty. Castro on the other hand, while being very harsh on pro-batistans, introduced some of the most successful literacy, vaccination and public housing programs in human history, leading to cubas HDI being comparable to that of a first world nation. You may call him a dictator, but he is nothing like batista in almost any way.
Bro, you ain't seen a cuban sugar plantation in the 70s if you're typing stuff like that. Castro was another powerful aristocrat in the long line of powerful aristocrats who exploited Cuba at the expense of its people.
@@BoliceOccifer Castro also created some of the best doctors known world wide, who at times even beat the USA's brand of healthcare, so much so it's a major export for Cuba. Say you want the fact that people can even get that level of training is astounding.
@@BoliceOcciferExploited Cuba? Dude, the country has free healthcare and education paid for by the state, and I'd reckon the nation is pretty damn safe. And unlike most communist states, Cuba allows freedom of expression and assembly as well as freedom of religion and limited freedom of speech.
@@BoliceOccifer Castro was one of the first to give away his own land to to actually share it He made Cuba into a proper communist country that suffers from bad rep due to the terrible stupid USA
@@BoliceOccifer castro was a hero of the people and any actual cuban that isnt a gusano would agree. castro made cuba infinitely more free than it was under america and batista's thumb
Another reason for the USA's bizarre policies about Cuba is Florida. Florida has a high amount of Cuban Exiles (Little Havana in Miami). Because of Florida's oversized importance in US political due to it being the 3rd largest state and a valuable swing state due to the electoral college. Obama tried to thaw relations and in 2016 a pro-embargo Trump won Florida and won it again during 2020
Thawing relations with Communist nations has ALWAYS been controversial in the US. Nixon tried to set up a long term detente with the USSR, China and the Communist Bloc as wider whole in the 70s, but once the controversy and furor over Vietnam died down and a new group of leaders came in, the interest in just letting things lie was abandoned. By the early 80s, the Truman and Eisenhower ideals of containment and eventual liberation of Eastern Europe were officially the top policy again (and after the shootdown of Korean Air 007 in 1983, vast numbers of the public got on board too).
There is also the problem that Cuba does significantly better than the US in several metrics like housing security, job satisfaction and above all healthcare. So having an openly communist country so close to Florida could give the Floridians 'dangerous' ideas.
@@MrMarinus18 Except for the fact none of these are true I could not find anything about job satisfaction other than the article "Urban Cubans Optimistic About Schools, Not About Work" by the Gallup. 68% of urban Cubans are satisfied with their jobs, whereas 83% of urban Latin Americans are satisfied. Less than half believe they can get ahead by working hard, whereas 78% of other Latin Americans do. So no, job satisfaction is not to be praised in Cuba. There is nothing secure about housing in Cuba other than overcrowding. As the Borgen Project states in its article "Hidden Homelessness in Cuba," "In addition, the inability of modern Cuba to continue building low-cost homes due to these limitations has led to an increased concentration of multifamily residencies despite the desire for younger generations to live separately." The article later goes on to say "An official report stated that 7 out of 10 homes need repair, with 7% of all houses being uninhabitable." As the Reddit post (I know, not a great source, but still a personal experience of someone that I thought would be worth sharing) elaborated, "When I went to Cuba I saw this, and many Cubans I know who have family at home have expressed that it’s great grandparents, grandparents, parents, kids, and grandkids, all living in a 2 bedroom house. It was pretty cramped when I went there. And oftentimes the roofs in the countryside were made from tin scrap metal." The US on the other hand does not have a large problem with homelessness outside of its most progressive, quasi-socialist areas, like San Francisco and Portland. Even so, it has a homeless rate lower than other developed countries, according to the OECD, including France, UK, Germany, Sweden, Australia, New Zealand, and the Netherlands. There is nothing good about Cuban healthcare. The point I keep hearing over and over again is Cuba has a low infant mortality rate. But this was true before the communist revolution. Before communism, it had the 13th lowest infant mortality rate in the world. Today, it has the 49th lowest. Communism caused infant mortality to increase. Not only that, but healthcare quality is horrid. The FEE found “Hospitals in the island’s capital are literally falling apart.” Sometimes, patients ”have to bring everything with them, because the hospital provides nothing. Pillows, sheets, medicine: everything.” The CEI's "That Time Obama Promoted Myth of Excellent Health Care and Education in Cuba" states "Cuba in 1957-was a developed country. Cuba in 1957 had lower infant mortality than France, Belgium, West Germany, Israel, Japan, Austria, Italy, Spain, and Portugal. Cuba in 1957 had doctors and nurses: as many doctors and nurses per capita as the Netherlands, and more than Britain or Finland. Cuba in 1957 had as many vehicles per capita as Uruguay, Italy, or Portugal. Cuba in 1957 had 45 TVs per 1000 people-fifth highest in the world …Today? Today the UN puts Cuba’s HDI [Human Development indicators] in the range of … Mexico." And before you say, "aT leASt iT iS bETTer thAn tHe US," with regards to infant mortality, that is false. "Is U.S. Health Care Less Efficient than Other Countries’ Systems?" is a good article on this subject. It notes the fact that the US has a higher rate of low birth weight babies than Europe, and the deaths of fragile babies are counted as infant deaths in the US, but not in Europe. Adjusting for these things, the article notes "Atlas reports several calculations of this type, showing that the U.S. infant mortality, adjusted in this manner, is quite low, comparable to Canada’s, Sweden’s, and Norway’s." And Florida is one of the best states in the US. No wonder hundreds of thousands of people move there every year for good jobs, low taxes, and personal freedom, whereas California and New York lose hundreds of thousands of people, and have the largest percentage of their populations who would praise Cuba like you do. If you like Cuba so much, move there.
In truth, the US minefield was inside the fenceline. Those outside the fence are Cuban. Ours were well-maintained. Weird, but once in a while lightning -- or a random cow -- will set one off.
I was attached to Joint Task Force 160 in 1994. As an Equipment Operator with Naval Mobile Construction Battalion 74, our air detachment was tasked with leveling ground and installing refugee camps for Cubans. Although there was several thousand Haitians already housed at the runway tarmac, each group was strictly kept separate. I vaguely remember destroying a golf course (?) hole or two with a motor grader and dozer. On armed excursions with Marines, some tasking included perimeter road maintenance. From a distant mountain observation post, Cuban military would watch us on our side of the fences with binoculars.
Not really if you pay attention its when Russia/USSR was supporting Castro, That being said a communist Cuba wouldn't be good because then Russia could store nuclear icbms/bombs only miles from US territory
@@KOSYOUNG That issue was solved a long time ago, and with the advent of intercontinental ballistic missiles and nuclear missile capable nuclear subs Russia also no longer has any need to store nukes close to American territory.
You're wrong about Castro being initially supported by the USSR. They tried to build an alliance with the soviets because they were on the brink of an invasion from the US. They were also looking for trading partners after the embargo imposed by the US.
@n0ban790👍👍👍👍👍👍 Castro originally approached USA, only realizing US will help to take Cuba for very few from Big Business guys, but not to build independent state for Cubans and Castro was sent home..... Only ten he turned towards the East Americka wanted everything, so got nothing..... Same is today with Ukraine....
To hold Cuba in frames. USA with this base have an access to the island. It can deploy the troops, tanks, military vehicles, artillery guns, helicopters without huge losses.
Was stationed there in 1972. Had a great time snorkeling, and going on hikes(forced marches,lol) and standing guard duty in towers along the wire/minefields. Semper Fi.
@@orlagskapten9829 I never met any other than a few Jamaican snack bar workers. Cuban nationals were allowed to come on base and work, but they were background-checked by the US govt. Remember, US military can't leave base.
Castro initially sought to align himself with the US. It was when Eisenhower told him to go jump that he then sought out a new friend and became a Soviet ally. The Soviets were actually uninterested in Cuba after Castro came to power
That's because the Soviets were no longer head an outlook of world socialist revolition like the leadership of Lenin and Trotsky did right up to the 6th Congress of the Communist International.
Very true... & that's why the caption in this vid needs to be clarified...!!! Cuba & Cubans don't "HATE" the United States. Even after the communist revolution, the USA was the FIRST country that the Castro regime went to establish diplomatic relations & economic ties. Unfortunately, it was the US that rejected their hand of friendship & that's when Cuba was forced to turn to the then USSR for support...!!! The history of American & Cuban relationship would have been very different if the US didn't "HATE" Cuba.
“2,000 gold coins”, I think, to almost every reasonable person means “2,000 one-ounce coins made of gold”, which as of the time of this comment, would be $3.6 million. Still probably a laughable amount for Cuba, but as an American I think we should at least be paying that much, and probably in actual gold coins as the treaty says we should.
the US does not print gold coins for free, but a piece of paper stating a value in another piece of paper in the currency that the US actually make out of thin air for themselves... you can say that whenever the US decided to change the payment from gold coins to cashing checks they practically already made the rent free for themselves. especially since the US does not even have to print the currency they pay with, they literally just "pay" with a piece of paper that's worth a value in a currency that they themselves print and produce lol
@@HoLDoN4SecThe United States still mints gold coins. It went of the gold standard in 1933 after the treaty was signed so technically Cuba could ask for payment in the original agreement If they wanted to validate it. I would assume based upon this video. I haven’t read the original treaty although it being renewed in 1999 seems like there is more there than is being stated?
It was in the treaty after we won the Spanish American war in 1898 Cuba was allowed to become fully independent and we were allowed to have a naval base in Cuba and we never left it
@@mwduck It was over by the MWR and the various playing fields (corner of Sherman Ave and Kittery Beach Road). Looking at Bing Maps, it looks like it's been abandoned for several years now. I was there as a contractor in 2007.
Even though I've never been to Cuba, I've hosted President Miguel Díaz-Canel back in 2018 and he enjoyed Pyongyang very much! My grandpa hosted Che Guevara in 1960, Raúl Castro in 1968, and Fidel in 1986. Cuba even boycotted the 1988 Summer Olympics in Seoul in solidarity! Fidel said about my grandpa, "a veteran and irreproachable combatant, sent us 100,000 AK-47 rifles and its corresponding ammo without charging a cent". And when Fidel passed away in 2016, we had a three-day mourning period in honor of his life. Cuba remains one of our closest allies, and they know what it means to face harsh sanctions and move forward like we do. We hope to see the bay returned to them
it's not the same. the people of palestine(which you didnt mention, but it was implied) and cuba are brown(the cubans are of all colours, but brown seems an average), and thus bad. the neona-zis of ukraine are white, and thus good.
We leased the base with the consent of a democratically elected government and the lease says we do not need to give it back unless we abandon it or agree to, Russia just straight up invaded Ukraine
@@rexblade504 you invaded and then economically blockaded cuba......dafuq are you talking about? you dont have the moral high ground to criticize ANYONE on their invasions.
@@sabin97 Well we didn't invade Cuba to get Guantanamo Bay we leased it from them and I'm going to guess you're referring to the Bay of Pigs invasion which was actually an invasion by US trained and supplied Cuban dissidents, not the US military. Which is very different. Also we can do whatever we want with our economics there's nothing wrong with that. Cuba had plenty of nations they could enter into commerce with. So I do indeed have the high ground to criticize people on invasions.
Technically, US recognized cuban sovereignity over the territory which is only "rented", and US paid a small amount for it. Factually, it is a military occupaid cuban land through extorsion and blackmail, against the will of Cuba which emotionally feels lost a part of his island. PD: the Goverment in Cuba don't accept the rent money.
US has the highest incarcerated population in the world it’s a business US prisons have to have a full population to receive state or federal funding So locking up Americans is a business absolute Insanity That and US uses prisoners as cheap labor which essentially makes US prisons third world prison camps
This is very accurate 😂 people hate the west for bad things but its the westerners themselves who show those bad things meanwhile other countries deny and hide
Two things glaringly wrong. 1. The minefields were removed decades ago. 2. Shipping through the bay to Caimanera and Boqueron was unrestricted by the U.S. With the fall of the Soviet Union, the channel traffic to the north dropped exponentially.
On Batista, I think it was more of a lesser of two evils thing AND the US crime lords and business interests wanted him in power. He was after ll the devil who could be bought. As for the USSR, if we had not launched the Bay of Pigs fiasco in '61 and then hit Cuba with the total trade embargo I am not sure that Castro would have turned to the USSR as strongly as he did. There was already a big communist movement in Cuba but the USSR was on the outside until 1961.
I was in Cuba before as a Canadian citizen. I tried applying an American for a visa but their visa got regcted. Like I got a visa at the airport. I recomend you going to the real Cuba next time. Also do you pay in US currency.
The two points of the lease is so weird like... both have to agree to end it or the US abandons it are the only ways to terminate the lease. C = Cuba wants lease to continue if true. A = US wants lease to continue if true. L = Lease persists if true. P_1 = C ^ A; Both have to be false for point 1 to be False P_2 = A; Point 2 is false when A is false by the US willfully leaving. L = P_1 v P_2; Both points stand. • Cuba wants to continue lease. So does US. Lease persists. L = (T ^ T) v T => T • Cuba wants to end it, US doesn't. US remains and lease persists. L = (F ^ T) v T => T • Cuba doesn't want to end it. US does. US abandons the base against Cuba's wishes and lease ends because of point 2. L = (T ^ F) v F => F • Cuba does want it end. US agrees. Lease ends. L = (F ^ F) v F => F L is tautological with A given the above, meaning Cuba's opinion is irrelevant. Is this self evident? Yeah. Did I need to use math to show it? Not really. Does it make the entire dilemma that much more stupid when you can say it's mathematically a bad deal? Yeah.
US doesn't leave because it can (even more) freely violate laws and human rights there. And nobody can kick them out, because they are the strongest around. Might makes right, as old as the world.
Everyone knows what goes on there in a since, and why they want it there. But, I'm sure that there are many other places the U.S has around the world just like this that you don't know about in other countries...This one is just closest to home.
During the Spanish-American war in Cuba-- Spain was deafeated so the trade off is a portion of real estate called GUANTANAMO. that was written will turned in to the super power.
I already see a good compromise. Why don't the US and Cuba just agree to let Cuba use it for economic purposes, the US gets to keep its base, and Cuba gets the economic benefit it wants
@@0IIIIII "the US isnt harassing them" *conveniently forgetting that the US has been embargoing cuba for decades and actively discourages other countries from trading with cuba*
@@0IIIIII oh dictatorships are bad, like for example, the banana republics in central america, or chile, or saudi arabia, those dictatorships are certainly not good either, egypt is also a terrible dictatorship damn, if only we can find the world power that arms and funds these dictatorships, what a god damn mystery
@@0IIIIII you literally want a western backed dictatorship. Like who do think ruled Cuba before Castro? Go Look up Batista and how many Cubans he killed for American sugar interest.
The US needs to give up Guantanamo and end its embargo on Cuba. This isn't the cold war anymore, countries have a right to decide how to run themselves
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How is this 1 day ago when this just got posted, are you from Ohio or Wyoming
@@IndonesiaMajapahitNDPCA @China Chicken Soup I don't release the videos immediately when I upload them. First, my Channel Members and Patrons get to see them, then later it goes public.
@@PoliticswithPaint oh
@@PoliticswithPaint you know japan attacked manchuria china 1931 after they blew up their own train.just like usa blew up their own ship to attack cuba
my great uncle designed gitmo post 9-11 Taliban detention facility. head architect. he said it was alot nicer than most Americans living conditions wise.
Water boarding at Guantanamo Bay sounds like a lot of fun, if you don’t know what either of those things are.
Season passes for the beach water amusement park with ya pals, intelligent and agency. Radical brahhh.
I can hear that TV ad lol
Nice copy paste.
I'd rather Gasoline Board them, and then send them to Allah while they do a Johnny Storm from the Fantastic 4 "Impression".
I’ve always wandered what that would be like. I’d need a saftety button or word or they’d know to stop after a short while
"We will only leave if we want to, which will probably never happen."
"Hey, this isn't perpetual, we clearly said we'll leave if we want to."
If I was Cuba I'd set up the largest speakers ever aimed at their direction & turn them on. I'd also blow smoke in their direction
@@GAZAMAN93X they’d just get jdam’d
@@GAZAMAN93X Maybe they should worry about feeding their citizens first.
It goes the other way though. America literally cannot leave if the Cubans don't want them to, which - considering Cuba's political situation in the decades after the agreement was signed - isn't as crazy as it sounds.
@@GAZAMAN93X That’ll just make America use or make a new EMP machine or device probably
US: "It's not about the money, it's about sending a message"
Elon musk before buying twitter
It's about hypocrisy that they inherited from their Dad.
@@rainbowbloom575 Elon bad
@@jirachi-wishmaker9242 Cough cough governments be like
@@BeeEmpress Nah, just another habitual lying, egotistical dude who has money.
I'd love to sign a lease agreement with my landlord that says the only way I get evicted, is if I leave, or we mutually agree to terminate the lease. That seems like a fair and balanced contract between equal parties.
Haha!
sure but countries are not equal so unequal agreements arise.
I feel like a more accurate metaphor is if someone forcibly pays you to stay in your apartment and will only leave if he voluntarily does so
That seems pretty good deal seeing as though currently it’s more like if I want, I’ll just kick you out
Why? Sounds exactly like the communist ideology that Cuba operates under which you seem to support anyway 😂 Land ownership is prohibited 😂😂
I love your approach to clothes on Polandballs, gives them a lot of personality, as well as a historical context, since it's in this case about countries with very unchanging flags. In any case great video :)
Haha. I went to the real Cuba. I feel safer in Cuba than the US. I am just wondering if it is considered a US territory? Please answer.
@@scienceandartclubit is not considered a US territory
@@sleekilla I thaught it was. But if someone was born on the base would they get Cuban citizenship or American citizenship??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
It is the oldest overseas US Base. There is a whole different part of the base that is across the bay from where Camp Delta is. There are two sides to the base, windward and leeward. The air station and Camp Delta are on Windward, the actual Naval base is on the other side. The Navy used Gitmo as a base for intensive training of ships. I've been there three times. The way that the treaty was written was because the Cuban government feared the US would leave. So the treaty said that if either party wants out the other has to agree. In 1999 the treaty expired and the provisions made it renew. Castro said he wanted the US gone, but he would honor the treaty as it was written.
thx!
Calling it a treaty is very rich. It’s simple colonial imperialism, and it will come to an end.
@@karimhabsi6508it’s a treaty dude. Both sides agreed to the terms of it. You’re a propagandist.
@karimhabsi6508 hardly. We won they lost. They will never touch that land. Bar acts of God. And should they ever we will take it back at our choosing. Its not as if they ever could hope to stop us anyway. Frankly the issue is moot as long as a communist government remains in power in Havana.
yeah pal ur gonna do somethin@@karimhabsi6508
Good video, but I wish you'd covered WHY US turned Gitmo into a prison/detention centre (it's because their own laws against mistreating prisoners would only apply to locations on US soil)
That only applies to US citizens which none of the prisoners are people who come to the u.s. for you know living
@@cartrellsplunge1525 From a former commander of gitmo: "One of the principal advantages to placing the detainees in Guantanamo Bay or a similar location was the legal status that non-U.S. soil provided. If the detainees weren’t in the U.S., then they wouldn’t have the same rights under American laws, the argument went. Some of these included the right to legal representation, rights of prisoners, and rights to the American legal system. One government official referred to the base as the "legal equivalent of outer space." To the Bush administration, this was an immense advantage in the consideration of long-term detention."
We learn something new every day :)
(Sorry UA-cam didn't let me post the link, but if you search for this quote it should take you to the Atlantic source.)
@@aratasman77 The problem being there are a lot of terrorists in Gitmo that would be impossible to try and convict in a US court of law because evidence against them was either illegally obtained, inadmissible in court, or classified.
Of course, a lot of innocent people also ended up there. Most were afghanis turned in by other afghanis on shaky grounds and did get released after a few years. Some though, did not for whatever reason. Maybe just too embarrassing to admit we'd locked up innocent people.
@@pax6833 Hey buddy, I think you've got half-of-the-way there. US has prosecuted terrorists before and convicted them in the courts. The issue is that US puts people in gitmo to shield itself from adhering to internationally recognized rights of detainees (for example not torturing minors, go read the case for Omar Khadr) while they're deciding what should be done about them. US does convict some in gitmo, and does release some.
The broader issue is what I think you alluded to, other people's lives mean so little to US that they rather spend millions to keep them in a legal limbo than to admit wrongdoing. Just imagine YOU yourself, at no fault of your own, were put in that situation. I don't think this injustice is in any shape or form defensible.
@@aratasman77 But that doesn't make any sense because according to the own agreement the base it's still under Cuban sovereignty, which means that their basic laws still apply on it despite being a foreign military installation. The US is violating those laws on purpose.
It was sought by the US Navy as a coaling station which coal-fired navies around the world were always looking for. Once ships switched to oil, it's strategic importance became questionable.
Having a Navy base close to the mouth of the Gulf drastically helps with mainland security. However with Puerto Rico further East than Cuba, Cuba is literally surrounded by US and US ally territory. I seriously don't see any US enemy being able to send any troops/supplies there without US knowledge/permission. Just my two cents.
It's a f * colony... For things like that the non-Americans. We believe that the US is very hypocritical to be outraged by the invasion of Russia when there are colonies like this in the world
The US though has made it it's mission to crush any popular uprisings in South-America that were opposed to it. Cuba is the one that got away and that wound to their pride is still something they can't get over.
I also have some doubts Cuba will accept the deal, they will want to use it to also get the sanctions liften as they know almost everyone that isn't 100% dependent on the US also wants them lifted.
@@Jay_Franklol Cuban missiles crisis
@@firasajoury7813 That was 60 years ago. I'm talking about the current day. There isn't a true peer to the US anymore. (China will be eventually, but not yet) With modern surveillance my original statement holds true.
They had always hoped castro was stupid enough to try and take it back by force. This woulda been a perfect justification to retake cuba
That's assuming that the US public would go along with an invasion of Cuba. The US public appetite for war limits how much the US can exert its power. Consider it wasn't the Tet offensive that caused the US to leave Vietnam, it was domestic US opposition to the war
@@ThePurplePassage none of that is relevant. When attacked first the public is easily swayed and has never failed to go along with it. Along with the fact a full invasion of cuba by the U.S would be a relatively quick occupation and setup of puppet government.
@@UnholyWrath3277 "When attacked first the public is easily swayed..." In other words, you are calling my argument irrelevant by assuming a priori that the problem I raised has already been solved and a sufficiently convincing casus belli to motivate the US public to support the war has been found.
@@ThePurplePassage read the original comment. That assumption was in the original point. Trying to sound super smart here isnt really working for you
@@UnholyWrath3277 So you consider that a Cuban attack on Guantánamo (whether successful or not) would engender a sufficiently negative reaction amongst the US public to warrant an invasion of Cuba. Maybe.
Give the imperialist overtones, the increased war weariness of the US public post-Aghanistan and Iraq and the controversial detentions at Gitmo, I am not quite so sure that a full invasion would be quite as well-supported amongst the US public as your comments suggest you believe
Visited GITMO twice during the early 1970’s for shakedown training after shipyard overhauls. As for restricting commercial shipping, I recall watching a Soviet freighter pass through the bay. Escorted of course.
No restriction on shipping through G Bay, which cuts the navy base in half
@@mwduck More like, that land could be developed to increase and improve shipping. With a base in the middle, Cuba is restricted from turning it into a major economic port.
@@gatlank6080 It is what it is.
@@gatlank6080 Cuba has several ports, they do not need Gtmo to develop into a major economic port, they could do it in other Cuban ports. They are bankrupt and owe money to lots of countries that were stupid enough to loan them money. They use the money for the Cuban oligarchs to enjoy a hell of a lifestyle while they cannot feed their people.
Make it a usa state just to bug cuba
Loving the simple paint graphics from guys like Politics with Paint and Mr Mitchell History
Cubano here! Thanks to Guantanamo Bay being a thing, a favorite fact of mine about Cuba is that it technically has a Subway and McDonald's because of it! Some things I'd like to clarify: The Cuban Missile Crisis was more than just Soviet missiles in Cuba. The bigger issue was also the US having missiles in NATO member Turkey, which used to border the USSR. The USSR was concerned Cuba would shift towards China, so to get Cuba to remain in the Soviet sphere, Khruschev agreed with Fidel Castro to place missiles on the island.
And some Cuban independence fighters actually WANTED to join the US as a state. That was the original intention of the star on Cuba's flag and why the colors chosen were red, white, and blue, which was designed by Cubans who lived in exile with Puerto Rican revolutionaries in NYC (the Puerto Rican flag was also designed in NYC). Of course nowadays, the star no longer represents that (now it just represents independence and freedom)
That's interesting. I'm wondering how life is in Cuba bcz of the sanctions. I heard that their medicine sector is strong, is this true??
Yeah... and how do you explain that the flag of Chile is exactly the same like the old cuban flag. Im cuban and that last part is no true
@@Levz-U2G "exactly" except it's not. The top-left square is bigger on the old Yara flag. Not to mention the square is red. While yeah, the Chilean flag's design inspired the Yara flag, the Chilean flag's colors in turn was inspired by the French and AMERICAN revolutions. The Chilean star represents Venus, while the original symbolism for the CUBAN star was to appeal to the US for statehood.
@@AverytheCubanAmerican I see you in every comments section
yeah there is a name for américans going to live in other countries and trying to encourage US invading and anexing the place they failed in cuba but succeed in other places like texas and hawai
I noticed you used the eu4 (europa universalis 4) rebellion noise when rebels began, well, rebelling. I thought it was a neat detail!
Triggered my EU4 PTSD😂😂
And the Victoria 2 rebel flags.
i hate it. i cant STAND that sound. every 5 seconds in any horde run. i HATE that sound
I HATE THAT SOUND I HATE THAT SOUND I HATE THAT SOUND I HATE THAT SOUND I HATE THAT SOUND I HATE THAT SOUND I HATE THAT SOUND I HATE THAT SOUND I HATE THAT SOUND I HATE THAT SOUND I HATE THAT SOUND I HATE THAT SOUND I HATE THAT SOUND I HATE THAT SOUND I HATE THAT SOUND I HATE THAT SOUND
@@notlucas6859hahahaha same
Especially the ANNOYING rebel suppression you have to click every fking province to have an then suppress now
@@Fallout3131 Real
One of my favorite combat flight sim games as a kid was a-10 Cuba where you fly around on combat missions around Guantanamo Bay.
Lol, I did that in real life. VC-10, except we flew the A-4
@@av8rgrip confused! did you fly a vc10 in real life, fly an a4 in sim games and when did you transfer to flying harriers? 🤔🤯😄
@@billynomates920 I was based in GTMO 91-93. Flew A-4s for real. Base defense and adversary mission. I was Navy and never flew harriers. My screen name is short for Aviator Grip. Grip was my callsign.
@@av8rgrip Me too. I know a boy who does UA-cam in Cuba. He filmed the video. But did a US review.
Interesting thing is that the justification for war with spain was also very controversial, with the USS Maine supposedly not having been blown up by the Spaniards, like the US said, but by an internal explosion or mine.
I'd like to think the US blew up its own ship as an excuse to maul the Spaniards
I was taught in school it was known as justification due to the ambiguity at the time and was later proved to be not.
Like anyone from that time would be able to investigate a sunken ship like that and find out how it sunk. Claiming they knew the cause then is ridiculous, they probably actually believe Spain sunk it. They might have; I’ve not scene any proof saying otherwise.
And 2 newpapers stirring the pot for public support of the war.... Sounds familar...
@@shonuff5297 LBJ knew it worked before so he just ran with it
There is actually an airspace restrictions as well, and this lead to a plane crash due to the pilot not being able to see the strobe lights. So even though it had good terrain, the means of getting there….. mehhh
I was a refugee at Gitmo and came over in a chartered 707. The plane had to make a very sharp turn right after takeoff to keep within the corridor.
and this LED to a plane crash due to the pilot not being able to see the strobe lights
@stevetaylor8298 It was a DC-8, right? Been a while since I’ve read up on Gitmo (judging by when I commented)
Fun fact: every single year the UN votes on a resolution to end the unnecessary and frankly inhumane embargo placed on Cuba, and every single year every country supports the resolution. Except Israel and the US
The UN and all members states can vote on whatever they see fit, nobody cares.
I think Obama tried or wanted to do away with thr embargo only to have Trump reinstate it. I doubt Biden would do much considering he has no idea what plant he's on most days of the week.
USA USA
Hey, you can't criticize Israel!
Cuba is a corrupt regime, it deserves all the pain it brings upon itself.
I’ve always wondered this but I couldn’t seem to find info on the history of the base. Very interesting! Thank you for the video.
I was just reading up on this a couple days ago! Feels weird to just hang on to this territory after all these years.
Why? Once lost it is likely lost indefinitely. US has no reason to let it go.
Cuba needs Gitmo there. It is a little bit of prosperous America on a slip of an economic cesspool. Gitmo provides hundreds (thousands?) of jobs for Cubans. GI's stationed there love the place, at least for a while.
@@0IIIIII Other than respect other countries and human beings & show a sign of U.S can be something good to the world, yeah there isn't
@@0IIIIII the US has no moral weight to lecture russia or china on anything then, especially with the people telling russia to leave crimea,
same logic "no reason to let it go"
@@NeostormXLMAX really wathcing their military power being eroded away seems like a pretty good reason to let crimea go
Commenting for the algorithm, this was a really well done video ^_^
you left out that the base is shrinking every year due to having to build inward when the fence line needs to be repaired and it's a central point where counter drug ops are conducted vis coast guard and other government agencies. i was stationed there in the mid-late 90s.
Why can’t the border be demarcated clearly to avert shrinking?
Good. I hope it shrinks entirely
@@0IIIIII There's probably some really messy writing in the treaty that causes shenanigans such as this.
In the 80s, sure, drug ops would be relevant. Nowadays? It's West Coast ports and the Mexican land border.
In the Treaty of Paris of 1898, The Philippines and Guam were also involved. However, through deception the Filipinos thought the US was helping them gain independence from Spain only to be dragged into another war with the Americans which lead to eventual colonization by the US for the next 47 years.
pretty much what also happened in Cuba
@@Starter102 The Spanish American war marks America's entry into the position of an Imperialist Power. It was late on entry but is today the world wide neo liberal Empire.
@@kimobrien. a communist complaining about imperialism 😂 as if it makes a difference whether a king, oligarch, autocrat, or bureaucrat is in charge of an empire
@@liberaltears1714 You've created an Empire and now its coming apart because of the capitalist own short sightedness. You became a ruing class and now you are on your way to demise because you've been believing to many of your own lies. Capital doesn't create anything and neither do markets. Capital is just money and a market is just a place to trade. It is human labor mental and manual that creates. The stock market is just a big gambling casino. You system of finance becomes nothing but a way of privatizing profit and socializing risk. You require a huge bureaucracy to constantly overlook and manage everything down to the penny. You drive everything into the service of profit maximization. You neglect education and healthcare because you seek only to maximize profit by cutting labor time. You demand the speed be increased and more risk of our safety beciase you want bigger profits for yourselves.
@@liberaltears1714 The US Empire is based upon foreign investment playing a return back to the owners in the US. Capitalist greeds most important product is the international industrial working class.
Good video over all mate, can't wait to see more from you
Sent here via Kraut's recommendation, def glad I did. Subbed and liked my guy
One of my coworkers is a marine who’s deployed there and his biggest problem seems to be the rats he’s feeding still don’t like him.
Update:
He’s home now and misses the iguanas and possum sized rats
wow this was like... a perfect 13 minute video. GJ
Almost as good as Countryballs Explained.
Thanks for this presentation. As an Australian, I thought it was associated with the 1800's . Thanks for making this clearer. Very interesting geopolitics.
This was a very good video. There is a lot of room for improvement so I’ll be following you.
Imagine renting to a tenant you want to evict from your own home but they just keep paying rent on a lease with a previous owner.
Because of the color scheme I thought this was the 516th video about Siege of Constantinople
Isnt Green more populer for ottomans?
@@denizmergen418 It’s usually green for Ottomans and Purple for Eastern Roman Empire but it fits to modern colours
Mistake. When Castro became the leader of Cuba, he flew to the USA, and president Eisenhower refused to speak to him. Castro then boarded a plane for Moscow. Castro was a socialist, not a communist, but he needed support for his leadership. US wouldn't give it so he chose the Soviet Union. Imagine how different things could be today, if the president of the USA hadn't given Castro the middle, one finger salute.
Mind explaining the difference between socialism and communism?
The USA gave him a middle finger? Lol, he spoke with the VP, Nixon. Nixon btw communicated to Eisenhower that while Castro was a moron, he was a charismatic leader that they should try to guide.
But who do you think is the natural ally to a revolutionary leftist? The USA or the USSR? Cuba was always going to align itself with Russia.
Could have done the same thing with Ho Chi Minh.
@@TheOwenMajor castro was not even explicitly a communist in this time period, however. the cuban revolution was a nationalist revolution that adopted a communist ideology much, much later. castro himself consistently denied being a communist or socialist until he eventually became convinced that communism was the best way for cuba to develop, in part because of cuba's relationship with the ussr. when he met with nixon, he still was not a communist or socialist, he was a nationalist. america fumbled the bag.
@@geoffreyherrick298in your own words, please explain what the US could’ve done to convince Ho Chi Minh to become a US ally that the US would accept. Go on
@@wormwood8352you are arrogant speaking on matters you don’t understand. Explain and provide proof that the US could’ve done better with Castro given what they had at the time
It's very simple. If you were to design the perfect harbor for warships, you'd design Guantanamo Bay. Now, otherwise, it's a miserable place. We pulled in a few times (once for "liberty", we were NOT happy about that) and it only had a commissary, a bowling alley, and a pizza place. And chickens. For some reason, I recall there being chickens. Hot as hell, and a damned desert. Even before the internment camps it was a prison.
And some considered it the best kept secret in the navy, at least until the detainee camps were built.
@@mwduck - I suppose it would depend on your job. Can't see the pilots not enjoying themselves, but the poor bastard who has to sit in trailers all day pulling the pins on CS grenades for CBRN training? Gotta be tedious, especially since there's jack-all to do when the day is done. And I never met anyone on a ship who was happy about the place. Can't imagine that being your home port.
@@sword_of_light It was great duty back in the day. As soon as work was done, we would head out into the Caribbean with two tanks. I can see the crew of visiting ships being bored. Not a lot of recreational activities during liberty, and nobody could go "out into town."
80’s squid. Visited Club Gitmo on three different occasions, two warship refreshers prior to Med deployments. Hotter than BEEP but you’re forgetting that outdoor movie screen, the softball fields and that formaldehyde beer or whatever it was at the “pizza place.” LOL! Memories like it was yesterday.
Cuba really is a green country in general, but ironically Guantanamo Bay and its surroundings are the only arid area on the island.
1. The Cuban missile crisis was a lot more complex, notably it was the US who first stationed nuclear missiles close to the soviet heartland in turkey
2. Equating Castro and batista entirely with the only differentiating factor between them being the power who supports this is very dishonest. Batista allowed American tobacco, sugar and fruit companies to strap the Cubans of their land, large parts of rural Cuba were in deep poverty. Castro on the other hand, while being very harsh on pro-batistans, introduced some of the most successful literacy, vaccination and public housing programs in human history, leading to cubas HDI being comparable to that of a first world nation. You may call him a dictator, but he is nothing like batista in almost any way.
Bro, you ain't seen a cuban sugar plantation in the 70s if you're typing stuff like that. Castro was another powerful aristocrat in the long line of powerful aristocrats who exploited Cuba at the expense of its people.
@@BoliceOccifer Castro also created some of the best doctors known world wide, who at times even beat the USA's brand of healthcare, so much so it's a major export for Cuba. Say you want the fact that people can even get that level of training is astounding.
@@BoliceOcciferExploited Cuba? Dude, the country has free healthcare and education paid for by the state, and I'd reckon the nation is pretty damn safe. And unlike most communist states, Cuba allows freedom of expression and assembly as well as freedom of religion and limited freedom of speech.
@@BoliceOccifer Castro was one of the first to give away his own land to to actually share it
He made Cuba into a proper communist country that suffers from bad rep due to the terrible stupid USA
@@BoliceOccifer castro was a hero of the people and any actual cuban that isnt a gusano would agree. castro made cuba infinitely more free than it was under america and batista's thumb
Another reason for the USA's bizarre policies about Cuba is Florida. Florida has a high amount of Cuban Exiles (Little Havana in Miami). Because of Florida's oversized importance in US political due to it being the 3rd largest state and a valuable swing state due to the electoral college.
Obama tried to thaw relations and in 2016 a pro-embargo Trump won Florida and won it again during 2020
Thawing relations with Communist nations has ALWAYS been controversial in the US. Nixon tried to set up a long term detente with the USSR, China and the Communist Bloc as wider whole in the 70s, but once the controversy and furor over Vietnam died down and a new group of leaders came in, the interest in just letting things lie was abandoned. By the early 80s, the Truman and Eisenhower ideals of containment and eventual liberation of Eastern Europe were officially the top policy again (and after the shootdown of Korean Air 007 in 1983, vast numbers of the public got on board too).
There is also the problem that Cuba does significantly better than the US in several metrics like housing security, job satisfaction and above all healthcare. So having an openly communist country so close to Florida could give the Floridians 'dangerous' ideas.
@@MrMarinus18 it is much more based upon the Cuban diaspora in Florida hating the communist regime due to their homeland being controlled by it
@@MrMarinus18
Except for the fact none of these are true
I could not find anything about job satisfaction other than the article "Urban Cubans Optimistic About Schools, Not About Work" by the Gallup. 68% of urban Cubans are satisfied with their jobs, whereas 83% of urban Latin Americans are satisfied. Less than half believe they can get ahead by working hard, whereas 78% of other Latin Americans do. So no, job satisfaction is not to be praised in Cuba.
There is nothing secure about housing in Cuba other than overcrowding. As the Borgen Project states in its article "Hidden Homelessness in Cuba," "In addition, the inability of modern Cuba to continue building low-cost homes due to these limitations has led to an increased concentration of multifamily residencies despite the desire for younger generations to live separately." The article later goes on to say "An official report stated that 7 out of 10 homes need repair, with 7% of all houses being uninhabitable." As the Reddit post (I know, not a great source, but still a personal experience of someone that I thought would be worth sharing) elaborated, "When I went to Cuba I saw this, and many Cubans I know who have family at home have expressed that it’s great grandparents, grandparents, parents, kids, and grandkids, all living in a 2 bedroom house. It was pretty cramped when I went there. And oftentimes the roofs in the countryside were made from tin scrap metal."
The US on the other hand does not have a large problem with homelessness outside of its most progressive, quasi-socialist areas, like San Francisco and Portland. Even so, it has a homeless rate lower than other developed countries, according to the OECD, including France, UK, Germany, Sweden, Australia, New Zealand, and the Netherlands.
There is nothing good about Cuban healthcare. The point I keep hearing over and over again is Cuba has a low infant mortality rate. But this was true before the communist revolution. Before communism, it had the 13th lowest infant mortality rate in the world. Today, it has the 49th lowest. Communism caused infant mortality to increase. Not only that, but healthcare quality is horrid. The FEE found “Hospitals in the island’s capital are literally falling apart.” Sometimes, patients ”have to bring everything with them, because the hospital provides nothing. Pillows, sheets, medicine: everything.” The CEI's "That Time Obama Promoted Myth of Excellent Health Care and Education in Cuba" states "Cuba in 1957-was a developed country. Cuba in 1957 had lower infant mortality than France, Belgium, West Germany, Israel, Japan, Austria, Italy, Spain, and Portugal. Cuba in 1957 had doctors and nurses: as many doctors and nurses per capita as the Netherlands, and more than Britain or Finland. Cuba in 1957 had as many vehicles per capita as Uruguay, Italy, or Portugal. Cuba in 1957 had 45 TVs per 1000 people-fifth highest in the world …Today? Today the UN puts Cuba’s HDI [Human Development indicators] in the range of … Mexico." And before you say, "aT leASt iT iS bETTer thAn tHe US," with regards to infant mortality, that is false. "Is U.S. Health Care Less Efficient than Other Countries’ Systems?" is a good article on this subject. It notes the fact that the US has a higher rate of low birth weight babies than Europe, and the deaths of fragile babies are counted as infant deaths in the US, but not in Europe. Adjusting for these things, the article notes "Atlas reports several calculations of this type, showing that the U.S. infant mortality, adjusted in this manner, is quite low, comparable to Canada’s, Sweden’s, and Norway’s."
And Florida is one of the best states in the US. No wonder hundreds of thousands of people move there every year for good jobs, low taxes, and personal freedom, whereas California and New York lose hundreds of thousands of people, and have the largest percentage of their populations who would praise Cuba like you do. If you like Cuba so much, move there.
@@person3070Dude what, Florida is becoming a meme state. Infrastructure is literally falling apart
Just found this channel, love the lectures with polandballs as representation. Keep it up.
End the illegal embargo condemned by over 99% of nations 🇨🇺
Stfu Cuba doesn’t even have internet or a functioning government yet 😂
Freedom for Cuba from American imperialism.
No we won’t, We won’t stop till that Regime is 6 feet under
Nobody cares
Literally
Source me that 99%
(You can't because its pulled out of your ass
End the Cuban dictatorship and we'll talk
Cuba : "Leave"
United states : "Nah fam we're good here.., oh and uh.., we set up a new fence and a mine-field outside it, mind your step."
In truth, the US minefield was inside the fenceline. Those outside the fence are Cuban. Ours were well-maintained. Weird, but once in a while lightning -- or a random cow -- will set one off.
The base is there for one purpose
To help them find out if they ever decide to f around
Growing up is realizing the us is the real villain of the story
I was attached to Joint Task Force 160 in 1994. As an Equipment Operator with Naval Mobile Construction Battalion 74, our air detachment was tasked with leveling ground and installing refugee camps for Cubans. Although there was several thousand Haitians already housed at the runway tarmac, each group was strictly kept separate. I vaguely remember destroying a golf course (?) hole or two with a motor grader and dozer. On armed excursions with Marines, some tasking included perimeter road maintenance. From a distant mountain observation post, Cuban military would watch us on our side of the fences with binoculars.
So, basically the problem between Cuba and the US is that the US won't leave it alone?
Not really if you pay attention its when Russia/USSR was supporting Castro, That being said a communist Cuba wouldn't be good because then Russia could store nuclear icbms/bombs only miles from US territory
@@KOSYOUNG That issue was solved a long time ago, and with the advent of intercontinental ballistic missiles and nuclear missile capable nuclear subs Russia also no longer has any need to store nukes close to American territory.
@@KOSYOUNG You mean like the US did when they stored nukes in Turkey?
@@KOSYOUNGAmerican trying to justify their evil
They signed an agreement. If it no longer serves Cuba, that’s too bad.
You're wrong about Castro being initially supported by the USSR. They tried to build an alliance with the soviets because they were on the brink of an invasion from the US. They were also looking for trading partners after the embargo imposed by the US.
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Castro originally approached USA,
only realizing US will help to take
Cuba for very few from Big Business guys, but not to build
independent state for Cubans
and Castro was sent home.....
Only ten he turned towards the East
Americka wanted everything, so
got nothing.....
Same is today with Ukraine....
Two different sort of situations but okay and it seems like a lot of y'all are rushing supporters as well well guess what Russia's losing the war
@TonyZlatko does that even mean?
nice channel enjoyed the video thxs
Thanks for these interesting videos. The dry humour is good too.
Ha! I didn't know Polandball spun up a channel! Great stuff!
To hold Cuba in frames. USA with this base have an access to the island. It can deploy the troops, tanks, military vehicles, artillery guns, helicopters without huge losses.
And why in 2023 It still has It? To atack more easily?
@@brunotedeschi3197 mostly to keep an eye on cuba and venezuela too.
@@brunotedeschi3197 No.
@@brunotedeschi3197 It's a good deepwater training facility for the Atlantic fleet. But more, it's just a thorn in the side of the Cuban government.
@@royals1231 yea the 2 latin American countries that arent under their imperialism
Was stationed there in 1972. Had a great time snorkeling, and going on hikes(forced marches,lol) and standing guard duty in towers along the wire/minefields. Semper Fi.
What was the attitude of the citizens towards you?
@@orlagskapten9829 I never met any other than a few Jamaican snack bar workers. Cuban nationals were allowed to come on base and work, but they were background-checked by the US govt. Remember, US military can't leave base.
Do you feel sorry that you occupies part of their land and only pays a couple hundred bucks every month? (Or damn, what a good deal)
Me, too. Sept ‘71 to Sept ‘72. Semper Fi.
You are just another US war criminal
Is it the same US who want Russia to get out of Ukraine?
No that’s dumb
I have altered the terms of our lease. Pray I do not alter it any further...
Castro initially sought to align himself with the US. It was when Eisenhower told him to go jump that he then sought out a new friend and became a Soviet ally. The Soviets were actually uninterested in Cuba after Castro came to power
That's because the Soviets were no longer head an outlook of world socialist revolition like the leadership of Lenin and Trotsky did right up to the 6th Congress of the Communist International.
Very true... & that's why the caption in this vid needs to be clarified...!!! Cuba & Cubans don't "HATE" the United States. Even after the communist revolution, the USA was the FIRST country that the Castro regime went to establish diplomatic relations & economic ties. Unfortunately, it was the US that rejected their hand of friendship & that's when Cuba was forced to turn to the then USSR for support...!!! The history of American & Cuban relationship would have been very different if the US didn't "HATE" Cuba.
That’s not true. He was a commie from the start.
What outrageous nonsense. Castro was a secret Communist already.
Yes and no. Castro was less political but his 2 and 3 man. His brother and Che. They were highly ideological and courted the Soviets from day one.
The US has a 90 year lease in Guantanamo bay Naval base . The locals love the base because of the amount of income it brings them.
but the americans cant cross into cuba??? the americans get their imports not from cuba
“2,000 gold coins”, I think, to almost every reasonable person means “2,000 one-ounce coins made of gold”, which as of the time of this comment, would be $3.6 million. Still probably a laughable amount for Cuba, but as an American I think we should at least be paying that much, and probably in actual gold coins as the treaty says we should.
the US does not print gold coins for free, but a piece of paper stating a value in another piece of paper in the currency that the US actually make out of thin air for themselves...
you can say that whenever the US decided to change the payment from gold coins to cashing checks they practically already made the rent free for themselves.
especially since the US does not even have to print the currency they pay with, they literally just "pay" with a piece of paper that's worth a value in a currency that they themselves print and produce lol
@@HoLDoN4SecThe United States still mints gold coins. It went of the gold standard in 1933 after the treaty was signed so technically Cuba could ask for payment in the original agreement If they wanted to validate it. I would assume based upon this video. I haven’t read the original treaty although it being renewed in 1999 seems like there is more there than is being stated?
World record Holders at squatting,
US government.
It’s illegal to “Loiter” in most “public” places.
Squatting is in someone’s house this seems more like a contract loophole the ones who actually took the most land is UK Russia or Mongolia
@@Channel-23s okay let’s compare UK, Mongolian and Russian overseas military bases with America
@@mosesgoldbergshekelstien1520 US is democratic and only fights regimes. Regimes deserve to suffer, they are evil
@@mosesgoldbergshekelstien1520 in 1930, Britain would win that competition in a heartbeat
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It was in the treaty after we won the Spanish American war in 1898 Cuba was allowed to become fully independent and we were allowed to have a naval base in Cuba and we never left it
I liked his stance. (As an American) It had some well deserved pokes at the US, but not anything to start a war over. = )
So trivia about GTMO: highest speed limit? It's on the go-kart track. The rest of the base is has a limit of no more than 25mph/40kph.
I never saw a go-kart track when I was stationed there.
@@mwduck It was over by the MWR and the various playing fields (corner of Sherman Ave and Kittery Beach Road). Looking at Bing Maps, it looks like it's been abandoned for several years now. I was there as a contractor in 2007.
@@nonenowherebye I was stationed there in the 80s. I guess it was built in the 90s.
Even though I've never been to Cuba, I've hosted President Miguel Díaz-Canel back in 2018 and he enjoyed Pyongyang very much! My grandpa hosted Che Guevara in 1960, Raúl Castro in 1968, and Fidel in 1986. Cuba even boycotted the 1988 Summer Olympics in Seoul in solidarity! Fidel said about my grandpa, "a veteran and irreproachable combatant, sent us 100,000 AK-47 rifles and its corresponding ammo without charging a cent". And when Fidel passed away in 2016, we had a three-day mourning period in honor of his life. Cuba remains one of our closest allies, and they know what it means to face harsh sanctions and move forward like we do. We hope to see the bay returned to them
I enjoyed your video. The time spent espousing the virtues of the sponsor was too loooonnnnngggg.
Thanks for making this :)
US: We support Ukraine and its territorial integrity
Also the US
Hey don't look at me I do want that piece to go back to Cuba.
it's not the same.
the people of palestine(which you didnt mention, but it was implied) and cuba are brown(the cubans are of all colours, but brown seems an average), and thus bad.
the neona-zis of ukraine are white, and thus good.
We leased the base with the consent of a democratically elected government and the lease says we do not need to give it back unless we abandon it or agree to, Russia just straight up invaded Ukraine
@@rexblade504 you invaded and then economically blockaded cuba......dafuq are you talking about? you dont have the moral high ground to criticize ANYONE on their invasions.
@@sabin97 Well we didn't invade Cuba to get Guantanamo Bay we leased it from them and I'm going to guess you're referring to the Bay of Pigs invasion which was actually an invasion by US trained and supplied Cuban dissidents, not the US military. Which is very different. Also we can do whatever we want with our economics there's nothing wrong with that. Cuba had plenty of nations they could enter into commerce with. So I do indeed have the high ground to criticize people on invasions.
Fun and informative video. Thanks for sharing
Because you keep your friends close and your enemies CLOSER.
Technically, US recognized cuban sovereignity over the territory which is only "rented", and US paid a small amount for it. Factually, it is a military occupaid cuban land through extorsion and blackmail, against the will of Cuba which emotionally feels lost a part of his island.
PD: the Goverment in Cuba don't accept the rent money.
Kraut sent me. Good recommendation. 👍
Great video!
Wow what a interesting video! I wonder what the comments will be like! Hopefully there is order and not chaos
US news: we have such bad prisons
Russia news: you guys show off your bad things?
i strongly suspect usakistan has many secret torture prisons around the world. they just dont show them.
What a smoothbrain take. Classic nationalist idiocy.
@@rippspeck You okay? Lol it’s not that serious
US has the highest incarcerated population in the world it’s a business
US prisons have to have a full population to receive state or federal funding
So locking up Americans is a business absolute Insanity
That and US uses prisoners as cheap labor which essentially makes US prisons third world prison camps
This is very accurate 😂 people hate the west for bad things but its the westerners themselves who show those bad things meanwhile other countries deny and hide
I am from the Caribbean Islands of Saint Vincent and the Grenadines.
Nice, out of curiosity how is day to day life there?
0:59 Cuba could take it but then the US will take Cuba.
Of course the internet is fine with this. Change america to russia and cuba to any other country and suddenly the internet is mad.
Calling Fidel a repressive dictator is actually insane
When you are dead ,it doesn’t matter what they call you.
Elaborate on that insane asinine statement-???🤔
10:48 love the sirens in the background
Nice video. Always wished we weren't such dicks to Cuba.
Why? Cuba is a dictatorship, and dictatorships are bad. US should be mean to them.
Cuba is off limits to Americans, Like I went to Cuba 5 times already.
Technically Cuba could get Guantanamo back, but realistically improbable.
guantanamo bay literally can be classified as a concentration camp
Two things glaringly wrong. 1. The minefields were removed decades ago. 2. Shipping through the bay to Caimanera and Boqueron was unrestricted by the U.S. With the fall of the Soviet Union, the channel traffic to the north dropped exponentially.
There is still minefields on the Cuban side
This is an aggression to the cuban people and this base should be shutted down.
Blow me
The US was very fond of Batista, with no hesitation there. The USSR didn't support cuba for years after the revolution.
On Batista, I think it was more of a lesser of two evils thing AND the US crime lords and business interests wanted him in power. He was after ll the devil who could be bought. As for the USSR, if we had not launched the Bay of Pigs fiasco in '61 and then hit Cuba with the total trade embargo I am not sure that Castro would have turned to the USSR as strongly as he did. There was already a big communist movement in Cuba but the USSR was on the outside until 1961.
Thx for the video. I learned a lot.
After being engaged to a cuban. Now even the cubans don't like the communisam 😢
Because we can
Military 🪖 Base is meant to control the HOST country.
Please make Southern Patagonian Ice Field border dispute between Chile and Argentina
I was there for 9 months.. it is so weird to look across the fence to see Cuba but cannot go there 😅
I was in Cuba before as a Canadian citizen. I tried applying an American for a visa but their visa got regcted. Like I got a visa at the airport. I recomend you going to the real Cuba next time. Also do you pay in US currency.
Very informative video. Thanks.
How far if any does the water boundary extend in to the Gulf of Mexico or Atlantic?
The same as with any other littoral state under the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea.
love every vid
The two points of the lease is so weird like... both have to agree to end it or the US abandons it are the only ways to terminate the lease.
C = Cuba wants lease to continue if true. A = US wants lease to continue if true. L = Lease persists if true.
P_1 = C ^ A; Both have to be false for point 1 to be False
P_2 = A; Point 2 is false when A is false by the US willfully leaving.
L = P_1 v P_2; Both points stand.
• Cuba wants to continue lease. So does US. Lease persists.
L = (T ^ T) v T => T
• Cuba wants to end it, US doesn't. US remains and lease persists.
L = (F ^ T) v T => T
• Cuba doesn't want to end it. US does. US abandons the base against Cuba's wishes and lease ends because of point 2.
L = (T ^ F) v F => F
• Cuba does want it end. US agrees. Lease ends.
L = (F ^ F) v F => F
L is tautological with A given the above, meaning Cuba's opinion is irrelevant. Is this self evident? Yeah. Did I need to use math to show it? Not really. Does it make the entire dilemma that much more stupid when you can say it's mathematically a bad deal? Yeah.
US doesn't leave because it can (even more) freely violate laws and human rights there.
And nobody can kick them out, because they are the strongest around.
Might makes right, as old as the world.
My dad was stuck there during the Cuban Missile Crisis, he did not speak fondly of it but said it had its good parts
Everyone knows what goes on there in a since, and why they want it there. But, I'm sure that there are many other places the U.S has around the world just like this that you don't know about in other countries...This one is just closest to home.
Any country, practically under a disguise of a proxy. It's all about selling war. It's a profitable business.
Sure just imagine some fake slight that exists somewhere and ignore the one we all know about
That makes sense, you make a lot of sense sir
Forgot to mention US took the Philippines with that little hat trick in 1898 lol
I swear to God I thought Guantanamo Bay was in California
Guantanamo is the only free place in Cuba !!!!
How ironic !!!!
During the Spanish-American war in Cuba-- Spain was deafeated so the trade off is a portion of real estate called GUANTANAMO. that was written will turned in to the super power.
Spent eight or ten weeks training there on a destroyer. Six days a week twelve hours a day training.
Sounds like fun
I already see a good compromise. Why don't the US and Cuba just agree to let Cuba use it for economic purposes, the US gets to keep its base, and Cuba gets the economic benefit it wants
@@0IIIIII "the US isnt harassing them"
*conveniently forgetting that the US has been embargoing cuba for decades and actively discourages other countries from trading with cuba*
@@0IIIIII oh dictatorships are bad, like for example, the banana republics in central america, or chile, or saudi arabia, those dictatorships are certainly not good either, egypt is also a terrible dictatorship
damn, if only we can find the world power that arms and funds these dictatorships, what a god damn mystery
@@0IIIIII dude, talk with fact, no emotions!
@@0IIIIII least delusional western military industrial complex enjoyer
@@0IIIIII you literally want a western backed dictatorship. Like who do think ruled Cuba before Castro? Go Look up Batista and how many Cubans he killed for American sugar interest.
The Gibralter of the Caribbean
The US needs to give up Guantanamo and end its embargo on Cuba. This isn't the cold war anymore, countries have a right to decide how to run themselves
Then let the Cubans decide what government they want. Good idea, right?