Line Output Converter Live Demo - KICKER UnMASKED - Shorts
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- Line Out Converters can save - or savage - your sound quality. We talk about what the actual differences are in different converters using a test track and an RTA (Real Time Analyzer).
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Awesome to see Ken in these videos! Former OKC BBY auto tech and proud to see him doing well! I could also listen to John talk tech all day!
What a great demo 🤙🏽🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I use the Kicker KISLOC 2 on one of my systems and definitely worth it💯Very inexpensive and worth the extra 20 bucks over the cheap LOCs out there💯
The small kisloc is the same as kisloc2?
Too bad they only work for kicked amps
@@driftx2is that so?
You should test the Kicker Keyloc too.
But we all know it will be clean like the other two kicker loc's, just be nice to see it on your bench
Think it was in a different episode? It's a bit of a different piece than these unpowered passive LOCs. But yeah, still clean as can be.
That old guy doesn’t let the young guy talk…
question though why does the chart start on the left at 50 hertz? if we are going for bass 50 would be rare to use. Im curious what that chart would look like from 20 to that 50..
Lol chemistry between these guys haha
It's kind of a Desi + Lucy...thing.
@@KICKER-AUDIO lmao
I need that kicker loc
It works great. Our shop use it all the time.
Nice loc👍
hi folks at Kicker , just 1st wanted to say thanks for all your replies to everyone , its nice to see a company actually communicating and helping the public so good job on that one , 2nd have a question of my own ,im running a cheap loc at the moment (vibe loc) which is being fed its signal from the output to the factory underseat subs (bmw 5 series e60) from the factory amp , so my question is if i wanted to get the keyloc 2 loc am i best to stick with the sub output signal from the factory amp or am i best taking the signal from the full range speaker signal fitted to the rear deck for the keyloc 2 to work properly with all its dsp ? ps im only needing the loc to give me an rca output for a mono amp to feed a sub thats only ever going to be running a aftermarket subwoofer , thanks in advance for your help as i wasent sure if the keyloc 2 required a full range signal or if it was happy enough with a i assume a filtered signal this is going to the factory subs ? thanks
The KEYLOC will work in either case, but a full range signal might do better given it has more info to work with (if in fact it is getting a full range signal). The only real way to know is by using a pink noise track and an RTA. The best answer? Try both! Can't hurt, right?
@@KICKER-AUDIO awesome thanks for your reply , ah the good old days when head units used to have a nice simple clean rca outs lol
Nice, i just bought two of KISLOC2 :)
Throwing out my currently NVX 4 channel high/low converter. Though my sub-amp supports highlevel on the rca input but i have not got the amp to turn on by the DC-offset feature.
Trying with the rear channel. Might require to use the front channel for that.. so that isnt an option with this current setup.
Got speaker pops sometimes when amps turn off. Really annoying. No pop when turn on. Though when i cycle the key they pop sometimes. subwoofer and door speakers.
Since the Kicker KISLOC2 does not have any gain adjustment, how high might the outputs be then? Ill guess the gain adjustment will be on the amplifiers.
Mine are quite hard to setup since the stereo display are not in numbers.. there is a bar that will fill up.. and every turn on the volume is a step so you need to count how many steps or how far you are from the displayed text. Not very accurate.
My home audio pops the speakers too sometimes when changing settings in windows sound.. like the bit and that stuff.
Please tell me more about the Kicker KISLOC2 :) any advices? tips and tricks?
Pops like that have to do with timing. Reach out to our Tech Support department for details: support@kicker.com or 405-624-8510.
I’m using the kisloc2 and getting a lot of engine noise induced. I’ve checked my amp ground, swapped rca cables etc but cannot get a clean signal out of this device. How important is location of loc? Mine is very close to my factory head unit. Jeep Wrangler if that matters.
Also. I bought two kisloc2s and one of them never worked out of the box.
Did you talk to our Tech Support group? I'm sure we can help if you call us at 405-624-8510. We are open weekdays from 8-5 central time.
Get you a certain Vega or nvm 2 channel loc they work really good it has super low distortion and got a automatic filter and last long and no problems.
just connect the inputs together to a single speaker and you have clean signal coming out of both rca channels
So If Im understanding this right, I can just add RCA ends to my rear speaker wire and plug in to my Kicker CX360.4 Amp? I wont need to use an LOC? My after market Pioneer is a cheaper one that only allows for one rear output or Sub (not both) and Front rca. Im going to run the Amp bridged for the sub and the other for the rear speakers. However Im confused on how I should connect the rear speakers or the amp using just one set of rca cables. Was going to run the sub off the one rear output and then use the speaker wires using rca to connect the rear. Thanks for any help for this new-b
Yes. You will need to determine the voltage first to accurately choose high or low impedances, but an LOC should not be necessary. If you have a start/stop vehicle however you may need a load adapter. For details, reach out to our Tech Support team: support@kicker.com
So how does using a kicker kisload affect my signal coming out of my factory f150 radio and going into my dsp? My radio clips at 8.5 volts by the way.
The funny thing is they say cheap lol that kicker is at most 29.99 I just got mine in ebay for 19.99 lol I'm ditching the nvx one I had its garbage cant even get 1v out of it and it costed the same as this thing.
We try to make our gear as affordable as we can without sacrificing quality or functionality. Were not trying to be the most expensive or the cheapest. Just the best bang for the buck.
I use a 4ch NVX also.. clean output but really low rca voltage output and that is with the gain turned all the way up. No clipping or distortion.
I think they use a quite heavy stepdown transformer. 3:1
Im throwing out mine aswell.. and ditch the 12v power feed as well.
What’s the difference between KISLOC and KISLOC2?
The KISLOC2 has Remote Turn-On output.
I'm using one of these kickers high to low adapters with a crunch 1100 amplifier and I can't get it to sound good was getting ready to blame the high to low adapter until I saw a couple of videos here thanks for the videos I know nothing about crunch can anybody give me any words opinion how about crunch amplifiers
There are a few potential factors. The first is a combination of the tuning, along with how it was wired. Another is the quality of the music itself. The last one (and this is very common) is the frequency response of the speaker lead you tapped in to...if that speaker cant play bass frequencies, then it will never send much bass information to a subwoofer, no matter what equipment you have. When using a high level input, you must first establish that it is capable of delivering the frequencies you need. If you need to verify the signal and don't have a KEYLOC (does it automatically), here's how: ua-cam.com/video/_TQn8vUe9yg/v-deo.htmlsi=TvST6oP060wr56cO
so do you guys recommend using speaker wires instead of RCAs? Thanks for the video
Speaker wires are stronger , that will help you gets more power, that is why you need a better hightolow device, just to avoid bad quality audio output
I was going to do 2 sundown e 12s in a 2019 Toyota Camry. Keeping factory head unit so which loc would you recommend was looking at the kicker one on right side in this video would that work good for me? Only going to run a 1500 watt amp
We don't have the KEYLOC in our warehouses, but many of our dealers do. : www.kicker.com/keyloc-smart-line-out-converter
Great Education, Thanks
1. What is the differences between KEYLOC and LC2i Pro? This is my current hurdle moving forward on my purchase. Help?
The LC2I Pro is primarily analog, and built to convert signal to RCA. It is also has a bass restoration section to make the low end louder. The KEYLOC is quite different. It is completely digital, and has a signal processor built it. It corrects the entire acoustic spectrum, and has indicators to tell you what frequencies the factory wires are sending from the radio (not all of them have bass, midrange or treble, especially if those wires are made to go to a dedicated sub, tweeter or midrange). Many analog line out converters degrade the sound as the volume raises, especially bass. Watch this video for details: ua-cam.com/video/ZwWggIfQHqM/v-deo.html
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Which output wires go into the KEYLOC inputs? Considering that we would keep the entire OEM Head Unit and Amplifier in place.
Do the Head Unit output speaker wires go into the KEYLOC (cutting them, which prevents them from going into the OEM AMP)
or
Do the Amplifier output speakers wires go into the KEYLOC (cutting them, which prevents them from going into the speaker (it is an OEM dedicated sub)
the video suggests there is no OEM amplifier, it simply says to use with OEM Head Unit, so it is kind of confusing.
Thanks for the reply :)
suena exelente pero tiene un par de detalles que tienen que solucionar, en algunos casos solo entrega salida por un canal rca la solucion es conectar las dos entradas juntas del convertidor a un solo canal de bocina, y el otro problema es el molesto ruido que hace al encender y apagar el amplificador, mande un correo a kicker y ellos me dijeron que lo regresara por que estaba defectuozo, pero luego confirme que es un defecto de fabricacion por que mande comprar otro de una tienda diferente y el nuevo tiene los mismos problemas, es raro por que tuve que regresarlos pero me quede con ese mal sabor de boca por que efectivamente suena exelente y totalmente flat
Si sigues teniendo problemas con este producto podría ser algo con la conexión y nos gustaría ayudar encontrar la solución. Si quieres ayuda técnica para que diagnostiquemos el problema mándanos un correo electrónico informacion@kicker.com para ayuda en español. Nos encantaría ayudarte, muchas gracias.
Si utilizas pre amplifier, deberías tener el canal de aux apagado, antes de encender o apagar, así evitas el molestoso ruido. Lo de entergar audio por una sola salida es extraño.
I just got a kisloc2 and a kisloc and both of them give me an annoying noise that I can't use them. I have a infiniti fx35 and I had to throw both kisloc and use another brand. Please help me out.
The best thing to do is call Tech Support. They are open weekdays from 8-5c at 405-624-8510 or email them at support@kicker.com. If you have noise, it is likely something the Techs can help figure out for you.
I’m going to use the kisloc2 for my CompC 10 inch with an enclosure 300 watt with the CXA300.1 would you recommend the K series over the Kisloc2 ?
Our Line Out Converters are the KEYLOC (with DSP), KISLOC2 and KISLOC. Here is a link to them: www.kicker.com/locs-interfaces
Any idea on why no signal for subwoofer? Wired everything amp turns on etc. Just no bang?
Did you verify speaker leads are passing full range signal? Not all do, and the sub amp cant do its job without it.
I bought a Kicker 46KISLOC2, It turns on after the car/radio been off for like 10 mintues. The amp gets hot and goes into protect mode. You think its defective? Its on a 2017 camaro.
The best thing to do is call Tech Support. They are open weekdays from 8-5c at 405-624-8510 or email them at support@kicker.com. If you have noise, it is likely something the Techs can help figure out for you.
So I have the RCD360 Headunit and it doesn’t have RCA on the back so would I be better off using the KISL 2ch. Speaker-RCA Converter or the KISLOC1/ KISLOC2 ?
What will overall give me the best sound and bass for my subwoofer?
2020 challenger all oem audio equipment. I have taped into rear deck speaker with speaker wire with rca ends straight into mono-block amp. Sounds decent. But would I benefit adding a loc? I have a kisloc but skeptical on using it. Any advice would be so appreciated
The KEYLOC would help with the sound quality using the DSP. This is the first question, but the other one is the amp and speaker combination you're running. What are they?
It says it goes up to 8volts whats tge minimum setting my amp likes 2 and under i e got the small loc
We made an extremely wide range of acceptable input voltages. In fact most of our amps only require a minimum of 125mV.
@@KICKER-AUDIO thanks you I bought one of those from you guys I just was not sure what the minimum voltage was that it put out
What is the difference of between kisloc VS kisloc2?
The KISLOC 2 has more power handling (so, a wider range of audio systems it's compatible with) and has a powered remote wire built in. You can use this to turn on amplifiers without needing to find a switched turn on lead in the car's wiring.
@@KICKER-AUDIO thanks for the answer
What model are your kicker converters?
We have a few. Here is a link to all of them: www.kicker.com/locs-interfaces
Just bought the audio control lc2i and installed it.... Very disappointed with the low lows. It definitely cuts the very lowest region, below 33 hz, and I've had to use my DSP to bring it back. The Audio control LC2i also induced noise into the mids and highs, when the accubass was "kicking in". When turned way up, it's SUPER noticable. Great for the 99% of the average users that probably won't notice, but for those with big power and tuned to crush lows, it's garbage. It's also garbage for people that want pure sound quality. It adds distortion, upper midrange and higher, I could hear audible noise when accubass was active. I would have gone back to the cheap junk dollar store loc I had, to get my lows back and "clean sound". The signal was stronger, gains set at minimum on all amps, so it did it's job there. I'll give it it's small bit of credit there.
Those of you wanting to add amps, if you like, and listen to music with low low bass, below 30hz, the audio control lc2i WILL NOT give you what you want. If your wanting top notch clean signal, the lc2i also won't give you what you want, UNLESS you turn accubass off, completely.
Waste of $ for me, I'm throwing it in the garbage where it belongs and going with something else.
Hope this helps someone not waste $ like I have. $100+ right in the fucking trash.
I'll post back when I find something that truly gives your amps ACTUAL clean, high voltage, FLAT, signal. I'll be looking into the device in the video.
Thanks for the upload. Appreciate the time you take to show others how important an actual unmolested, clean signal is. When you have a lot of power on tap, it's absolutely everything. I can't stress that enough. Your driver's will thank you with longevity and proper sound..
I agree I have same issue
Totally agree same lc2i does not drop low..
What's a good loc for nice crisp deep bass?! Plz help I'm in need of 1 asap!!
@@wattsup3418 the JL audio loc 22 has been great for me..World's better than any audio control product.
Do the basic low price LOC drop low?
So that is a factory head unit? How would it compare to a LC model?
We used one of our marine head units for this demo, which is full range.
@KICKER factory head units usually have bass roll off as you increase volume that is the reason for my question
Some do, yes. It depends on the factory crossover, eq and DSP. This is why we also made the KEYLOC, which helps with many of these issues. www.kicker.com/keyloc-smart-line-out-converter
I have the Kicker Key 200.4 in my 2021 Nissan Frontier Crew Cab. What 6x9 for the front doors should I use? Also what component sets does kicker have. I've used the DS and wasn't happy with the results at all. Am I underpowering?
Double check polarity etc. I used the Key 200.4 on a Ground Zero 3 way component setup in a Porsche Boxter. Sound amazing. Check it out on my Instagram @angelvip2474. If you have questions on your build feel free to hit me up there. Love to help
Currently building a quick system in a 81 Jeep using the Key200.1 and Key500.1. Catch me on there and check it out. Feel free to reach out bro. Kicker is kicking ass right now with their equipment.
Does adding a loc allow an amp to output even more power bcuz the loc increases input voltage which an amp then amplifies?
Adding a LOC is often unnecessary, and can even hurt your sound quality. That's why most of our amps can take from 125 millivolts all the way up to 40 volts on input sognal, with no LOC required. Want to learn more about an LOC? Check this live demo out: ua-cam.com/video/M1YGS3VIuqc/v-deo.html
Quit interrupting.it’s unwatchable with the guy on the left in this.
Factory head units not only have bass cutoff limiters but they also have frequency DSP filtering. So this whole video is pointless.
If you have an after market head unit you have 2 volt - 5 volt RCA outputs which are exactly what the amplifier inputs are designed to work best with.
There are two points to clarify here. The first is that factory audio systems do in some cases add filters to lower bass output. They do that to protect their factory speakers, which can limit the performance of aftermarket equipment. To determine this, you would use an RTA which many companies offer, in conjunction with a pink noise track that we offer on our website for free. Using the KEY amplifiers or LOC, the DSP automatically detects that filter and boosts those frequencies to help add bass and give a smooth frequency response to work with. A full video is available here to show you how it works: ua-cam.com/video/ZwWggIfQHqM/v-deo.html
The second point about aftermarket head units WAS, some time ago, completely true. Back in the day, RCA outputs bypassed the factory amplifiers, so it was a cleaner signal. This costs a bit more to do from a manufacturing standpoint, so all but the higher-end head units simply step down the pre-amplified signal before being sent to the RCA's. This amplified, then stepped-down signal is not as clean, but makes the deck a bit more affordable. We made a detailed video about why high level is actually a better signal here: ua-cam.com/video/cQzHIT5LFgY/v-deo.html