Yes. Above all else she should have thought of her children who would grow up to see how ugly their parents were to each other. Everyone involved behaved badly at some stage. She needs to take responsibility for that too, instead of manipulating the media to make herself out to be this fragile victim. I understand she was manipulated herself by Basheer, but it was a terrible mistake she herself regretted eventually. Unfortunately her son has the same petty, vindictive and impulsive streak she did, and look how it’s turned out for him. Only now does he possibly see what a mess he’s made of his life.
Emotionally depressed egoistic family. Queen Elisabeth didn't care about people. Just her reputation. Wearing stolen treasures from colonies. Is far worse than exposing truth. Elisabeth is the mentally manipulating Diana. Her partner is a nazi sympathizer with blood relatives married to nazi leaders.
@@Gagalover1569 I'm not sure how old you are or what kind of movies you're into, but the fact that Imelda Staunton was an amazing choice for one of the most hated Harry Potter characters is a huge hurdle for me. To see her in a sympathetic regal role is very jarring for anyone who absolutely despises Delores Umbridge.
@@michaelmontagu3979 Charles always had the other woman. Camilla was always in the picture, from the beginning of his marriage to the very end. Diana never had a choice in the matter. Who do you think started it first? You don’t get the right to choose if your spouse cheats on you or not if you cheated on them first, from the beginning. Your comment makes no sense
I've always got the impression the queen tried to defend and help diana, but she was simply from a generation that doesn't do that huggy and everything is going to be okay type support. The queen simply didn't know how to help her, kinda feel sorry for both of them. An example of this is when Charles says when he needs cheering up he calls his mistress. The queen scolded him for it and told him to be more supportive of his wife
Then why didn't the queen want to give her a proper royal funeral? Why did the queen take 8 days before going to Aberfan? She never "ran" a country. She was just PR. More vacations than a retired monk.
@michelletodd4893 the Queen was someone who was "by the book". She expected for diana and fergie to be happy. They, after all were married to naval officers. She saw her parents as having a great marriage, as well as her father being a loyal naval officer. She saw the same thing in her own with Prince Philip.
@@branflakes12341 The Queen did not want to help her. It was not about her generation. We can’t blame her failures as a mother figure in her family on her generation. My Mum was of same generation and if she was that cold and uncomplimentary of her son, it would not be overlooked.
@MTknitter22 I have to disagree. She had to find a balance between being a good mother and being the queen. Charles and Anne are two that she did not understand. They are very different in terms of personalities. She had good mothering instincts, however because she was a mother figure to Lady Sarah. That all being said, I think she thought that if you are married to an officer, you are doing something good. It is pretty much all she has known. Diana was on another level altogether. She (diana) had people working against her: Camilla, the press, Princess Anne, The Queen Mom, Princess Margaret, her brother, her mother and her grandmother. That is a lot and I am sure that because the Queen had this "bound by duty" attitude, she didn't know how to help Diana. I think that Diana was looking for a mother figure. She had a father figure in Prince Philip, but it wasn't enough for her.
The personal, private, and professional landmines the Queen had to navigate on a daily basis makes her longevity as a successful Monarch all the more impressive.
I don't know how much the events and characters correspond to reality but jesus,this series is well written. You can clearly see how Elisabeth has to live two lives behind her stoic face.Each word is fitted between two characters.She as the person and she as the Queen. In addition of that,it's hard to tell which one of them is talking at any given time.Simply,genius writing and acting.
From the time she was a teenager, she took her oath and her duty very seriously and put that before everything else. That made her an excellent monarch, but it tends to be rough on families.
It must have been so difficult for Her late Majesty to understand the public airing of grievances when she had been brought up to just remain silent and manage through.
It must've been so difficult for her late Majesty to understand that the whole "grin and bear your cross silently" approach was highly unhealthy and potentially counterproductive. It must've been further difficult for her to understand that this approach is even unhealthier for people who aren't brought up that way... and/or people whose very nature goes against it.
@@Essenceofblood5238 There’s a difference between stuffing feelings and regurgitating them without restraint on anyone in earshot. There’s a middle ground.
I hardly believe she had any idea what was going on around her most of the time. She was an immensely simple woman, despite anything this series claims.
And Diana was very tall obviously. I once saw footage of the real Diana bowing to the emperor and empress of Japan, 2 short people. Diana had to take a deep lunge but it was graceful.@@martino2794
The gaslighting of it all..”no,it’s in your head, it’s always been in your head”.. diana was no saint and did some questionable things but to say she had not suffered is simply untrue.
She did not say she didn’t suffered she said the enemy was in her head because she thought they were plotting against her, Diana was paranoid at the end and tricked into the interview
The way I look at it, Diana had to learn what Harry needs to learn; when you are a member of the Royal Family you don’t belong to yourself but rather to the nation. There are a lot of benefits that come with being in the Royal Family but there are also sacrifices to be made. I feel that a lot of people will ask me if Diana was to live in misery and I will say no. But she had two choices: Either conform to the rules or get out. Same goes for Harry.
It was a bit different for Harry in that it was Meghan who did not want to confirm to the idea that the press had the right to mock her then unborn child by portraying him as a monkey with her having to simply take that gross insult in silence. For her there was no choice but to get out of a system that would allow such blatant disregard of her child but Harry was understandably torn. He loved his blood family, quirks and all, but he had a wife and children to protect and defend when no one else in the family seemingly would. Like Diana, Harry spoke and wrote his truth and it hurt many he loved but it was his experience so I respect him for sharing it. Reconciliation seems impossible but I'm hopeful that time will heal the wounds on both sides, at least for the sake of the children who shouldn't be punished for adults behaving badly.
I agree. The Panorama interview, as well as Andrew Morton's book, set forth a chain of events that led to Diana's death. She died 20 months after that damned interview.
@@MarianDown they didn't marry centuries ago for this statement to make sense. He pretended to love her for the entire world to see and he brought innocent children into this world without a second thought. He is responsible for all the mess that came afterwards.
But it was fair enough bcs she got to tell her side of the story. Bashir's actions and intentions might be wrong but the result was satisfaction for Diana atleast.
@JoanMorrison-vq2jc Diana admitted to the affairs. Further, she grew up in a home where she was exposed to abuse over and over agiain. In the end, Charles and Camilla were in the wrong. They both were way older and knew better. They should have put their foot down. The Queen Mom supported the relationship. The Queen also put her foot down when it came to marrying who she wanted. They both used her as a shield and she was expected to remain steady and devoted to Charles and the crown.
Having lived in the limelight for most of their lives, and knowing the reputation of the media, they were not suspicious of giving such interviews? The term "media hounds" should really be "media wolves". They should have known better.
I get your point It’s thought she had borderline personality disorder, which is hard enough but the one thing he sought, closeness, was never going to happen in that family.
In terms of this program, which I realize is a fictionalized version, the whole point to me seems to be it's almost impossible to be in this family & be happy unless you're lucky enough to be one of the royals whose role is rather minor & you're content with that. Aim squarely for the middle & enjoy it & you make out just fine.
How terrible for Diana , Charles, and Camilla. They should have never forced him away from Camilla. He loved her for years before he met Diana. Charles and Diana should’ve never been married. I know this isn’t going to be a popular opinion, but there it is.
If Charles loved Camilla so deeply, he ought to have married her before she married someone else. If Camilla loved Charles so deeply, she ought to have waited until Charles was ready. They both need to accept responsibility.
@@artforlifeladyIn addition to the other thing she got wrong- raising her children without love and warmth. Another thing she got wrong is organising the dismissal of Australia’s Prime Minister, Mr Gough Whitlam.
Charles wanted to marry Camilla way back when, but his Godfather, Lord Mountbatten, was against it and convinced Charles, who respected him more than his own father, and the Queen and PP to go along...he didn't think Camilla was good enough or pretty enough for him...and Camilla ended up quickly moving on and married, basically the first person to come along and started a family...then shortly thereafter, it's horrible to say, but Lord Mountbatten was assassinated....of course, how would Charles know that was going to happen....
Such great acting from both actresses . Looks so realistic. Poor Princess Diana . All she wanted was to be loved and accepted by the royal family. She had a beautiful aura. May she always rest in peace. Ameen 😢
Such a devastating scene! Truly makes me wonder if Diana did go to warn Her Majesty before the interview and if she did, I can absolutely see the Queen and Diana having this very conversation. How much did Diana regret in that moment? Would she take it back if she could after? And then the fact she was manipulated into the interview. Al the stuff not being said here. Fascinating! The Crown is truly sublime.
not queen gaslighting the shit of her lmao, 3:32 the amount pain and hopelessness in her eyes here is unreal. I can’t imagine enough how she’s deeply suffered in her life by simply wanting to be loved and comforted and cherished. That’s all. she’s didn’t asked too much but of course the world like usual is turned against her and for people like her. may she rested in peace. And forever remembered x
Queen Elizabeth's feeling towards Diana didn't matter. She was the mother of her grandchildren and had a duty to keep an eye on Diana for William and Harry's sake, however Martin Bashir convinced Diana through fake bank statements that the Royal Family were spying on her, which in turn made her ditch her RPOs. (Royal Protection Officers)
@@sickpup820 Very well said. Bashir's evil ability to play with Diana's head was very bitter and enormously cut throat for Diana. This interview was a disaster for both of them. The singer Michael Jackson wasn't too impressed by his interview with Bashir either.
This show really cast Elizabeth in a positive light. From start to finish, I can't think of a single time they made her unsympathetic or in the wrong. Which is...suspicious.
An interesting take. I think the show, in general, casts her in an unflattering (at best) light. Someone who is emotionally distant from her family & arguably a poor mother. Someone who is out of touch with the common Briton, especially in the latter half of her reign. Someone who strives for quiet and tranquility yet unwilling to resolve the issues that create turmoil & chaos. Keeping in mind that the show is more fiction than reality, we can debate the causes of her personality & decision making but I finished the series with a sense of sadness - that while she was good at her day job, her family life suffered because of her (in)actions.
I don't think she's cast in a good light here. She's gaslighting Diana. Of course the rest of the family perceived Diana as a showboat and a problem. They were used to a way of interacting with the press and being worshipped until Diana swooped in, basically from the future, to usher in an entire new level of access to the royal family and its problems.
Really she was the villain to her sister Margaret when she forced her not to marry the man she loved because he was divorced… then the same character flaw came up when she forced Charles not to marry the one he loved because she was divorced… the Diana situation was a culmination of the Queen’s own failings and callous disregard for the people around her
HER PAIN ?! SHE WAS LYING IN THIS INTERVIEW TO DAMAGE THE REPUTATION OF CHARLES ! HER INTENTION WAS TO MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR CHARLES TO BECOME KING ! DIANA WAS AN IMMATURE GIRL WHO REFUSED TO GROW INTO THE ROLE SHE MARRIED INTO. BECAUSE OF HER, THE MONARCHY HAS TURNED INTO A SOAP OPERA !
I like the inference that busy people don’t have you on their mind as much you have them on yours. It’s true, and too many times I was the less busy one.
@@gabrieleortiz5041 yes. Remember the Muslim doctor she was deeply in love with but he would not marry her? He and his family realized she had big problems and although he loved her, he understood marriage is serious and Diana was all about HER needs.
I loved Diana like everyone else at the time, but in hindsight, it was clear she had massive mental health problems, was headstrong and would do anything to get her own way, including shooting herself in the foot. While she may have won the battle of public opinion at the time, her cooperating with Andrew Morton with his book and then the BBC interview, she was the author of her own demise which lead to her divorce and ultimate death. And as a result, she left her two boys without a mother and Camilla as Queen of England. What a horrific, needless tragedy.
@@JoanMorrison-vq2jc I don't think she married Charles just for a title. I do believe she loved him but it was a fantasy-romantic love straight out of Disney and she had no idea how to make a successful marriage. And while I never liked Fergie and thought she was a disaster as a member of the RF, I do believe she genuinely loved Andrew.
@@JoanMorrison-vq2jc I think Andrew & Sarah really do love each other. I don't like either of them, but they seem to want to stick with each other. As far as Diana is concerned, she was too young and too emotionally damaged to be able to be a good wife, especially as Charles was also emotionally damaged from his childhood. He couldn't give her what she needed and she couldn't give him what he needed. I believe Catherine really does love William, but I don't think Meghan has ever loved Harry. He was simply a tool for her to get that worldwide fame she's been after her whole life.
Diana was only 19 and it must be devastating to know that your husband loves somebody else. I still remember when asked if they were in love, Diana answered “of course”and Charles said “whatever loves means”. If he can respond like that in public, how do we know how he acts or makes her feel in private. A very “normal” person could easily develop mental health issues under those circumstances.
@@ruizhiqiu2109 I don't disagree with you entirely. I think the way he treated her certainly contributed to her mental health problems, but I believe it started when her parents divorced.
I think if the queen had been wiser 20 years before the marriage, she would’ve treated Diana with much more protection, consideration and respect, I also think if she wouldn’t have been advised or influence, she would’ve probably been much more a mother figure to her. Things might’ve been very differently, but history is sadly a game that is watched from the backseat.
I highly doubt the Queen ever spoke so coldly to Diana. I feel this show is over exaggeration of these two characters. Queen might was unable to understand her but i don't think so she was that rude. Diana's character was also over exaggerated and somewhere crossed the line. She never would vote a NO for manarchy as shown in the show. She herself said in the panorama interview that how can she destroy the establishment her son's future depend upon.
@thechuckleshow2470 you'd be surprised. She had her dad in her. Meaning, she was more than capable of showing emotion. She and Diana didn't really get along. But, she was the queen. 🤷🏿♀️
Always people who "misbehave" meet with coldness and judgment from those who behave, which gives the people who misbehave an excuse to double down and so on in a spiral.
I have often wondered if the feeling portrayed here by the queen were rather accurate. Prince Philip was truly mad as in effectionate for Diana continued till the divorce and she started giving public interviews and I've often wondered if Charles power with literally creating the most powerful money worth position in the royal family and his personal hostility towards her was misrepresented of the entire family. If you think I'm wrong, the last prince of Wales had roughly 1 million pounds when he left his role. He hid it of course. Now, the property incomes alone associated with the Dutchy of Cornwall are rumored to be worth billions.
Gotta love queenie patting herself on the back for not bad-mouthing Diana, as if that itself was an achievement worthy of admiration. Congrats, Lizzie-you did the absolute minimum. One can only hope the real person wasn’t as meager a human as this.
I think the representation was closer than most would like. Elizabeth kept herself walked off from all but a trusted few and I had the feeling she was so adept at it she even forgot who she was as she became absorbed by the mythical Crown and Country trope. The girl she was died the moment she was crowned and through many trials she became the enigma many loved and mourned.
Yes it was an incredibly selfish thing to do to her children, esp William who was at such an awkward age. Did she even brother to tell him in person before it aired?
The sad thing about this whole scene is this: how would Diana know that the Queen defends her when all she feels like is a statue in their system and never sees the Queen unless it was for an event of some kind, no chance to be one on one to talk about any of it. And most of all, the Queen is telling Diana that it is all in her head when it never has been. If the Queen had actually taken the time to really look at Diana, she would have known something was truly wrong, talk with her. Instead the Queen did what she did best, act accordingly, not as a human being should. I understand that she is the Queen, the Crown, an image to the people of England and she has been for decades now. But for her to act as if another person’s feelings especially the mother of her grandchildren is not really worth the time even with her busy schedule. Thanks for uploading.
Queen never liked interfering in others' personal lives unless they posted a threat to the Crown. She really hoped Diana and Charles would come to a settlement and enjoy their separate lives while remaining married. Diana could sleep with as many men she could and the same goes for Charles as well as long as they kept them private and appeared united in public.
@@fahimfaisalmahir567 sadly Elizabeth does but not like other people do. For example, she interfered with her husband’s life and career. Ensuring that her sister, Margaret did not marrying Peter. Delaying her marriage to Tony. Jump to later on, Margaret wanted to do more work but instead Elizabeth had whatever work Margaret had taken away. Elizabeth became the system of the Crown. She lost all humanity she once had over time being the Queen of England while interfering with others in all kinds of ways.
@@TheRealDeal92You are forgetting one thing here i.e. the Parliament. Margaret’s marriage with Peter was opposed by many elected MPs and Church as well. That time parliamentarians had a say in royal marriages. She turned down the marriage proposal not as her sister, but as the Queen. Margaret could no longer serve as Counsellor of State after Edward came of age bcz only 5 people can be Counsellors of state (rule made by Parliament). Queen is bounded by constitution and laws, and she had to upheld it no matter what.
@@fahimfaisalmahir567 all very true. No arguing with that. However to others at the time like her husband and her sister, Philip saw his wife taking the council of Parliament immediately follow with considering what it’ll do to her marriage and her children. And to her sister, that relationship destroyed, never been the same since. Philip saw her as his wife, love of his life before she became Queen. Her sister knew her far longer before she ever became Queen so she would always see her as a sister before being Queen of England. As for Diana, she saw her as more of a mother in law, a second mother and grandmother to Diana’s children before seeing her as Queen of England. The Queen of England is one of the biggest jobs in the world however she was a sister, a wife, a mother before she ever became Queen. She could have definitely found other ways so the relationships between her husband and sister could have remained good rather than just a connection of the Crown and being Queen. She should have found another option for Margarett and Peter. She should have found a more solid ground for her husband before taking away his career. She should have understood how her own son, Charles treated Diana and helped better the situation than to let Charlie’s continue his mistress relationship. Again, I more than understand Elizabeth was Queen and had to always consider the council and advice of Parliament of England. I only believe she could have found other options to find a good balance for her husband, her sister, her children and her daughter in law.
@@TheRealDeal92 She was a human after all. She had her limitations. Maybe for her the Crown, family legacy and the country mattered more than her personal relationships. She can't be everything to everyone.
As the Queen said what Diane is saying is repetitive, King Charles when he was a Prince, Fergie, Megan, Harry, and probably others. If there is no time or empathy for close Family members or staff there is something sadly lacking in that institution they revere so much. People have to remember the Queen was brought up by her grandmother, Queen Mary and the Queen's mother who were extremely rigid in their 20th Century culture when marriage had to be endured whatever the circumstances. The Queen had a difficult marriage herself and she did not attend school or university so its amazing how astute and successful she was in her reign. She set a high bar for her successors to achieve. Rest in Peace Queen Elizabeth😢
The queen had a tailored education by many tutors because her career was by the age of 10. She had a very successful marriage with Philip. All of the rumors of strife between the two of them are just idle gossip. They had a normal marriage and Philip was faithful to the end. accusations of affairs are simply ridiculous
@@marielfalk4537 people like you who are continual deny of reality are the main cause of stress and problems in families. You need to do a bit more research and reading instead of looking through rose tinted glasses.
I think the Queen did as good a job in her role as any human could have. But she *was* human. And I think, like so many people whose priority it is to present a united front or keep a stiff upper lip, she may have got this wrong. I think she ignored relational and other problems in the hope they would go away. And they didn't. And people got even more hurt.
If this conversation had really happened, I can't imagine it being any different. The remorse that followed Diana's death by the Royal family must've been dreadful to cope. Debicki and Imelda were impeccable.
What a crock of crap. All the queen really wanted was for Diana to "behave herself,...meaning "put up and shut up". Meanwhile Chuck was very happy with his permanent (even today!) side piece. I will never refer to her as "Queen" Camilla.
How many "side pieces" did Diana have? Did anyone keep count? She even admitted she was the first to stray, as even she mentioned that Charles and Camilla had no "contact" until 1986 when Charles could see that Diana was involved with Hewitt (two years after Harry was born in case anyone wants to start in on that).
I doubt any of these conversations really happened with Diana and The Queen because the princess knew what she was doing to create as much publicity as possible.
Also, as this fictional show does NOT explain, Prince Charles tried during the early years of his marriage to get Diana all the help she needed. He hired therapist after therapist, but Diana ultimately refused treatment. That isn't entirely her fault: from personal experience I know that therapy for mental illness is Very, VERY hard and difficult to do. But if you refuse it, you refuse the treatment. Diana also refused psychiatric medicine because of the stupid false stereotype that psychiatric meds implies that you're "doing drugs". We can see where she's coming from, but, for this woman to EVER have implied that no one tried to help her is BEYOND a lie. She could just never, ever accept that anything, anything was partially her fault.
He was severely gaslighting her in their marriage and all those supposed therapists were to reinforce that. Ending his extra-marital affair and not being a spoiled brat who resented his wife for being popular would have been a far more genuine and fruitful attempt to help. I understand Charles has spent the past years putting considerable effort and money into his false victimhood PR - but I CANNOT understand people actually buying that about ‘Prince’ “do you seriously expect me to be the first Prince of Wales in history not to have a mistress?”. We also have video evidence of how much he has publicly humiliated Diana such as their engagement interview or that time he ‘joked’ about having two wives. Pathetic.
She said everyone wishes her to be happy... yet, a few moments before she recounted she always defended her to everyone... everyone who? The Queen really did hide away from speaking with her and others over the years. Avoided difficulties. She wasn't busy all the time.. She had quite a bit of free time, if she thought Diana of importance.
I kinda agree with the Queen here, but I imagine her courtiers and advisers were doing their best to stir things up and make life difficult for the princess & the Queen. If only families didn't have press advisers eh?
No...my understanding was this did actually happen...Diana even arranged the broadcast date as a surprise for the then prince Charles birthday and the queen and prince philips anniversary...
its funny you think Elisabeth would have had more sympathy after all how many time a people did Phillip cheat on her with. How many times did she over look it since she wanted him demanded him threw a tantrum to marry him until everyone gave in. she always seemed to forget no one wanted her to marry Phillip because of the STRONG ties his family had with the Nazis as in he met the head crazy many times close. she was a great queen but like all people made a sh*t ton of mistakes. the problem was her word was law in her family if she said no you can't get married they couldn't so she broke up couples many times and then was shocked at the outcome and how they behaved like she didn't have an ounce of guilt for it when she held her breath to marry the man she wanted but couldn't allow others to do the same.
Diana lost the feeling who she can trust and who not and Bashir took advantage of that. We all think of Diana as a loving and caring mother. But i ask you: By that interview her Boys were 13 and 11 years old. Did she do them a favour by speaking like that publicly? I dont think so....
I've been on both sides of scenarios like this and I can say emphatically that when presumptions are made, everyone fails, but if someone only hears bad and there is an air of polite disrespect and prior instances of the same within a gossip circle, then it really isn't unreasonable to feel insecure in those matters. Like telling someone you are humble, telling someone you fight for them when they couldn't possibly know comes across as silly in those circumstances where you can honestly say, "then you should have told me that and praised me in public." BTW, there are more facets here and this is not about the interview; which was foolish in my view, but this *only* focuses on what should be done up front. Demanding trust only God can is never a good call. We have to be more blunt and visible.
There were two lengthy inquests: one in Paris and one in London. The family who was to blame for the deaths is the Fayed family. There should have been an escort vehicle. The chauffeur was proven to be drunk. The car was in poor condition. The only survivor was the bodyguard who was the only person wearing a seatbelt and should have insisted that everyone else wore theirs. The chauffeur was goading the paparazzi . . . the list goes on. The Royal family had no idea where Diana was, but thought she was on her way back to London to spend a couple of days with her sons before they returned to school. At the time of the accident, Charles had access and the boys were spending the summer at Balmoral as they did every August.
The palace made Diana out to be an attention seeking monster. Diana's relationship with Charles was abusive and the sooner she escaped the better. RIP Diana.
Diana was abusive to everyone around. Charles loved and still loves Camilla. Diana wrecked marriages and had it off with as much as she could. Sweet Diana? No wa.
Queen Elizabeth did not want Diana to be happy. Queen Elizabeth wanted Diana to choose service and duty over happiness. That was instilled into Queen Elizabeth from the moment she was born. Unfortunately, that was not instilled into Princess Diana. I don't think either woman was wrong. I think both women came from different eras in their life. I am 61 years old and my era was to protect the family image at all cost. So I can relate to Queen Elizabeth. However, this generation as well as Diana's generation could care less about the protection and image of the family. I have since now come to believe that there has to be a balance . If that protection is causing you unbearable pain and suffering, revealing the truth is better than a lifetime of misery. I watched my sister spiral into drugs protecting the secrets of the family. Death became her only peace.
The British are cultists of the Queen, even the most poor and under the bus Britons venerate the queen, to me, very far removed from that world, think that the queenie was full of herself.
Nah i there was always something slippery about Diana- i never could put my finger on it but personally all the charity event and hospital visits were for show especially after they got divorced. I always felt sorry for Charles more i personally think he was pushed into the marriage more than Diana - she could of always said no. I dunno she always seemed to 'have butter wont melt' look and personality to me. Unlike Kate who you can tell is geninue and not playing up for the cameras 😊
Diana and the Queen are from two different generations and not attuned to the other's wants or needs. For the Queen, The Crown and all that came with it was essential. The abdication of her uncle and its impact was etched into her brain.
Diana was clinically depressed and her perceptions were skewed. But hostility from her husband was not fabricated in her head. Charles own words confirmed alienation. Perhaps Diana’s issues led her to over generalize.
The Queen is bound by honour and duty to her people and her commonwealth. Or as Richard III ( always signed on his letters ) honour and loyalty binds me. This is the backbone of the English Monarchy ( well, it was anyway ) . Queen Elizabeth II as did Queen Elizabeth I devoted her entire life to the crown and its people. Princess Diana was not the same , she was of an entirely different era. She gave her love freely and was always compassionate to everyone, but when it wasn't returned in kind , well we all know what happened. Prince Charles and yes I still say Prince ( he will never be a King ) was a spoiled little dandy . Just like his paedophile of a brother. Thinking you are above everyone else, simply does not make it so. Diana was an angel , unfortunately not deserving of us.
I understand how the Queen felt but also l understand how Diana felt too. She felt unloved and not respected at all. I find it was a marriage that should of never happened for both sides. It affected everyone especially the children William and Harry. Extremely sad.😢
What a range of opinions we have here on what was going on in that scene! Do they have much to do with what was said there, or what we know of the real events, or do they depend more on who and what we are ourselves?
I do believe that Diana was just used to embarrass the Royal family. She didn’t really know the gravity of what she was doing. She was hurt; and felt the need to set matters right on what happened.
TMI here, but shortly after Diana was killed, I realized how unhappy I was in my own marriage and finally got divorced. Things can change in an instant, don’t waste a single moment being unhappy.
It just dawn on me she died at the age of 36. All these happened when she was in her twenties and thirties, a young woman vs the whole system. I know this scene is fiction, but I recalled in previous seasons, she called the queen on the phone so many times, but the queen avoided her. Once in Balmoral, she refused to talk to her because she need to feed her dog. And all those times, when the queen talked to Margaret, they nicknamed her "The neighbour" and here in this scene, she claimed she defended her all the times. What a hypocrite.
Do you think Diana went too far?
😂 no it was the truth
she did what was right.
Yes. Above all else she should have thought of her children who would grow up to see how ugly their parents were to each other. Everyone involved behaved badly at some stage. She needs to take responsibility for that too, instead of manipulating the media to make herself out to be this fragile victim. I understand she was manipulated herself by Basheer, but it was a terrible mistake she herself regretted eventually. Unfortunately her son has the same petty, vindictive and impulsive streak she did, and look how it’s turned out for him. Only now does he possibly see what a mess he’s made of his life.
Emotionally depressed egoistic family. Queen Elisabeth didn't care about people. Just her reputation. Wearing stolen treasures from colonies. Is far worse than exposing truth. Elisabeth is the mentally manipulating Diana. Her partner is a nazi sympathizer with blood relatives married to nazi leaders.
Yes. She should have been exiled.
these are GOOD actors! the 'queen' actually sounds like the late queen.
The actress playing the queen did an excellent film on abortion many years ago.
Vera Drake. Imelda Staunton was nominated for an Oscar.
@@Gagalover1569 I'm not sure how old you are or what kind of movies you're into, but the fact that Imelda Staunton was an amazing choice for one of the most hated Harry Potter characters is a huge hurdle for me. To see her in a sympathetic regal role is very jarring for anyone who absolutely despises Delores Umbridge.
@@brianmurray7980I’m a Harry Potter fan and hate that character as well but she’s just that good of an actor. She can do both.
@@brianmurray7980 And that's what made her an incredible Mrs. Lovett! 😂
All the Queen had to do was tell her son to stop cheating on his wife. They needed to condemn his actions, not condemn Diana.
Cheating is expected in that social circle.
Dian chose to accept all the privileges of the royal family but rejected the privilege's complement, the rotten morality.
@hera7884 Or maybe they should both have stopped? Remember that Diana had about 9 affairs. Like most troubled marriages, it wasn't all one sided.
@@michaelmontagu3979 Charles always had the other woman. Camilla was always in the picture, from the beginning of his marriage to the very end. Diana never had a choice in the matter. Who do you think started it first? You don’t get the right to choose if your spouse cheats on you or not if you cheated on them first, from the beginning. Your comment makes no sense
@@hera7884 Actually, Diana admitted that she started to have an affair before Charles and Camilla started again. It wasn't all one sided.
I've always got the impression the queen tried to defend and help diana, but she was simply from a generation that doesn't do that huggy and everything is going to be okay type support.
The queen simply didn't know how to help her, kinda feel sorry for both of them.
An example of this is when Charles says when he needs cheering up he calls his mistress. The queen scolded him for it and told him to be more supportive of his wife
Then why didn't the queen want to give her a proper royal funeral? Why did the queen take 8 days before going to Aberfan? She never "ran" a country. She was just PR. More vacations than a retired monk.
@michelletodd4893 the Queen was someone who was "by the book". She expected for diana and fergie to be happy. They, after all were married to naval officers. She saw her parents as having a great marriage, as well as her father being a loyal naval officer. She saw the same thing in her own with Prince Philip.
@@branflakes12341 The Queen did not want to help her. It was not about her generation. We can’t blame her failures as a mother figure in her family on her generation. My Mum was of same generation and if she was that cold and uncomplimentary of her son, it would not be overlooked.
@@lekenaackerman9367 things much easier for the Queen and she never realized it.
@MTknitter22 I have to disagree. She had to find a balance between being a good mother and being the queen. Charles and Anne are two that she did not understand. They are very different in terms of personalities. She had good mothering instincts, however because she was a mother figure to Lady Sarah. That all being said, I think she thought that if you are married to an officer, you are doing something good. It is pretty much all she has known. Diana was on another level altogether. She (diana) had people working against her: Camilla, the press, Princess Anne, The Queen Mom, Princess Margaret, her brother, her mother and her grandmother. That is a lot and I am sure that because the Queen had this "bound by duty" attitude, she didn't know how to help Diana. I think that Diana was looking for a mother figure. She had a father figure in Prince Philip, but it wasn't enough for her.
Imelda Staunton is such a great actrtess.
In my opinion, she and Maggie Smith are Britain's best actresses!
@@barbie-li2995 And Dame Judi Dench!
@@Crinkle.Stilt.Skin.Indeed, three wonderful Dames!
She is! I keep thinking of her in Sense & Sensability and now as QEII, two exact opposite characters and she was excellent in both….
The personal, private, and professional landmines the Queen had to navigate on a daily basis makes her longevity as a successful Monarch all the more impressive.
She was a terrible ruler and worse leader. Ruined the lives of her own family members with her bad judgement.
lol ok fanboy
I don't know how much the events and characters correspond to reality but jesus,this series is well written. You can clearly see how Elisabeth has to live two lives behind her stoic face.Each word is fitted between two characters.She as the person and she as the Queen. In addition of that,it's hard to tell which one of them is talking at any given time.Simply,genius writing and acting.
From the time she was a teenager, she took her oath and her duty very seriously and put that before everything else. That made her an excellent monarch, but it tends to be rough on families.
Holy smokes she sounds just like Diana
She’s a Aussie actor and a brilliant one
The Diana’s were so good! Kudos to the casting director!
It must have been so difficult for Her late Majesty to understand the public airing of grievances when she had been brought up to just remain silent and manage through.
It must've been so difficult for her late Majesty to understand that the whole "grin and bear your cross silently" approach was highly unhealthy and potentially counterproductive. It must've been further difficult for her to understand that this approach is even unhealthier for people who aren't brought up that way... and/or people whose very nature goes against it.
@@Essenceofblood5238
There’s a difference between stuffing feelings and regurgitating them without restraint on anyone in earshot. There’s a middle ground.
I hardly believe she had any idea what was going on around her most of the time. She was an immensely simple woman, despite anything this series claims.
Stop calling her that. Stop celebrating a dictatorship.
@@Tom-cn4cmDictatorship monarchs ended in the 17th century. Do read some history.
The height difference between the 2 actresses is striking.
Queen Elizabeth was quite small
And Diana was very tall obviously. I once saw footage of the real Diana bowing to the emperor and empress of Japan, 2 short people. Diana had to take a deep lunge but it was graceful.@@martino2794
I saw the Queen and she was tiny
@@martino2794Elizabeth Debicki is also quite tall.
Yeah I met our late Queen and she was tiny, and I'm only a 5'9" guy!
The gaslighting of it all..”no,it’s in your head, it’s always been in your head”.. diana was no saint and did some questionable things but to say she had not suffered is simply untrue.
It's a drama 'everything behind closed doors I imagined' the writer has said that
She did not say she didn’t suffered she said the enemy was in her head because she thought they were plotting against her, Diana was paranoid at the end and tricked into the interview
The way I look at it, Diana had to learn what Harry needs to learn; when you are a member of the Royal Family you don’t belong to yourself but rather to the nation. There are a lot of benefits that come with being in the Royal Family but there are also sacrifices to be made. I feel that a lot of people will ask me if Diana was to live in misery and I will say no. But she had two choices: Either conform to the rules or get out. Same goes for Harry.
This 'saint', she's no 'saint'... what does that mean? Wasnt the husband cheating?
It was a bit different for Harry in that it was Meghan who did not want to confirm to the idea that the press had the right to mock her then unborn child by portraying him as a monkey with her having to simply take that gross insult in silence. For her there was no choice but to get out of a system that would allow such blatant disregard of her child but Harry was understandably torn. He loved his blood family, quirks and all, but he had a wife and children to protect and defend when no one else in the family seemingly would. Like Diana, Harry spoke and wrote his truth and it hurt many he loved but it was his experience so I respect him for sharing it. Reconciliation seems impossible but I'm hopeful that time will heal the wounds on both sides, at least for the sake of the children who shouldn't be punished for adults behaving badly.
She never should have done that interview, neither should have the Prince of Wales, now The King.
I agree. The Panorama interview, as well as Andrew Morton's book, set forth a chain of events that led to Diana's death. She died 20 months after that damned interview.
If anything it finally ended the marriage
@@kevq761 🤣😂what marriage are you talking about? A paper doesn't make a marriage.
@@potocatepetl oh yes it does, historically marriage was just that - a paper.
@@MarianDown they didn't marry centuries ago for this statement to make sense. He pretended to love her for the entire world to see and he brought innocent children into this world without a second thought. He is responsible for all the mess that came afterwards.
The interviewer tricked Diana into giving that interview. He did the same to Michael Jackson.
They thought the press would be on their side? Please.
But it was fair enough bcs she got to tell her side of the story. Bashir's actions and intentions might be wrong but the result was satisfaction for Diana atleast.
@JoanMorrison-vq2jc Diana admitted to the affairs. Further, she grew up in a home where she was exposed to abuse over and over agiain. In the end, Charles and Camilla were in the wrong. They both were way older and knew better. They should have put their foot down. The Queen Mom supported the relationship. The Queen also put her foot down when it came to marrying who she wanted. They both used her as a shield and she was expected to remain steady and devoted to Charles and the crown.
Every Bashir interview I’ve seen, he’s pissed off or rewrote the interview with editing.
Having lived in the limelight for most of their lives, and knowing the reputation of the media, they were not suspicious of giving such interviews? The term "media hounds" should really be "media wolves". They should have known better.
The sad truth is, Diana was probably never going to be happy.
I get your point
It’s thought she had borderline personality disorder, which is hard enough but the one thing he sought, closeness, was never going to happen in that family.
In terms of this program, which I realize is a fictionalized version, the whole point to me seems to be it's almost impossible to be in this family & be happy unless you're lucky enough to be one of the royals whose role is rather minor & you're content with that. Aim squarely for the middle & enjoy it & you make out just fine.
How terrible for Diana , Charles, and Camilla. They should have never forced him away from Camilla. He loved her for years before he met Diana. Charles and Diana should’ve never been married. I know this isn’t going to be a popular opinion, but there it is.
I agree 100%. It was basically an arranged marriage. The one thing the Queen got wrong.
If Charles loved Camilla so deeply, he ought to have married her before she married someone else. If Camilla loved Charles so deeply, she ought to have waited until Charles was ready. They both need to accept responsibility.
@@artforlifeladyIn addition to the other thing she got wrong- raising her children without love and warmth. Another thing she got wrong is organising the dismissal of Australia’s Prime Minister, Mr Gough Whitlam.
Charles wanted to marry Camilla way back when, but his Godfather, Lord Mountbatten, was against it and convinced Charles, who respected him more than his own father, and the Queen and PP to go along...he didn't think Camilla was good enough or pretty enough for him...and Camilla ended up quickly moving on and married, basically the first person to come along and started a family...then shortly thereafter, it's horrible to say, but Lord Mountbatten was assassinated....of course, how would Charles know that was going to happen....
You’re so right.
Such great acting from both actresses . Looks so realistic. Poor Princess Diana . All she wanted was to be loved and accepted by the royal family. She had a beautiful aura. May she always rest in peace. Ameen 😢
Such a devastating scene! Truly makes me wonder if Diana did go to warn Her Majesty before the interview and if she did, I can absolutely see the Queen and Diana having this very conversation. How much did Diana regret in that moment? Would she take it back if she could after? And then the fact she was manipulated into the interview. Al the stuff not being said here. Fascinating! The Crown is truly sublime.
Diana didn't go the the Queen to warn her before the interview. (Told by the staff of the palace)
not queen gaslighting the shit of her lmao, 3:32 the amount pain and hopelessness in her eyes here is unreal. I can’t imagine enough how she’s deeply suffered in her life by simply wanting to be loved and comforted and cherished. That’s all. she’s didn’t asked too much but of course the world like usual is turned against her and for people like her. may she rested in peace. And forever remembered x
Queen Elizabeth's feeling towards Diana didn't matter. She was the mother of her grandchildren and had a duty to keep an eye on Diana for William and Harry's sake, however Martin Bashir convinced Diana through fake bank statements that the Royal Family were spying on her, which in turn made her ditch her RPOs. (Royal Protection Officers)
@@sickpup820 Very well said. Bashir's evil ability to play with Diana's head was very bitter and enormously cut throat for Diana. This interview was a disaster for both of them. The singer Michael Jackson wasn't too impressed by his interview with Bashir either.
This show really cast Elizabeth in a positive light. From start to finish, I can't think of a single time they made her unsympathetic or in the wrong. Which is...suspicious.
An interesting take. I think the show, in general, casts her in an unflattering (at best) light. Someone who is emotionally distant from her family & arguably a poor mother. Someone who is out of touch with the common Briton, especially in the latter half of her reign. Someone who strives for quiet and tranquility yet unwilling to resolve the issues that create turmoil & chaos. Keeping in mind that the show is more fiction than reality, we can debate the causes of her personality & decision making but I finished the series with a sense of sadness - that while she was good at her day job, her family life suffered because of her (in)actions.
@@robertdickson9319 and it's all presented in a "oh wow, how hard for her" manner every time.
I don't think she's cast in a good light here. She's gaslighting Diana. Of course the rest of the family perceived Diana as a showboat and a problem. They were used to a way of interacting with the press and being worshipped until Diana swooped in, basically from the future, to usher in an entire new level of access to the royal family and its problems.
Suspicious would be bashing the Queen, who was nothing but utterly dutiful and loyal to the country.
Really she was the villain to her sister Margaret when she forced her not to marry the man she loved because he was divorced… then the same character flaw came up when she forced Charles not to marry the one he loved because she was divorced… the Diana situation was a culmination of the Queen’s own failings and callous disregard for the people around her
Diana's pain can be felt in this scene
HER PAIN ?! SHE WAS LYING IN THIS INTERVIEW TO DAMAGE THE REPUTATION OF CHARLES ! HER INTENTION WAS TO MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE
FOR CHARLES TO BECOME KING ! DIANA WAS AN IMMATURE GIRL WHO REFUSED TO GROW INTO THE ROLE SHE MARRIED INTO.
BECAUSE OF HER, THE MONARCHY HAS TURNED INTO A SOAP OPERA !
I felt the Queen’s pain
She was a drama queen
Diana was so selfish
@@michellelaviolette574 me too
3:51
THEY BROUGHT PRINCESS DIANA BACK TO FVCKNG LIFE! THE RESEMBLANCE IS UNCANNY!
I think she's definitely taller than the real Diana though
@@pazuzu126she is in heels yeah great Australian actress
@@pazuzu126she is, elizabeth debicki is 6’3 while diana was 5’10.
And Harry carries on with the same narrative 🤦♀️
NOT ONCE
I like the inference that busy people don’t have you on their mind as much you have them on yours. It’s true, and too many times I was the less busy one.
Poor Diana was not a good fit for that family. She was too young to know what she was truly marrying into.
No they didn’t deserve her
@@Christi-bt5ef Not a question of deserving. Just a bad match from both sides from the start.
@@gabrieleortiz5041 yes. Remember the Muslim doctor she was deeply in love with but he would not marry her? He and his family realized she had big problems and although he loved her, he understood marriage is serious and Diana was all about HER needs.
@@AndyBluebear-fi9om think of this perspective they manipulated her. I’m Team Diana
@@Christi-bt5ef I'm not sure they did...but she was manipulated into giving the interview.
they both need to win an emmy this year!!!
The queen was so very right here. Don't know if this really happened but I hope she said this to Diana.
That moment 4:37 when the camera goes far away from their face is terrifying, it almost felt real
This scene got me choking on all the gaslight fumes
I do understand where you are coming from but Diana was known to be an incredibly irritating attention seeker.
@@jonathanlandau-litewski7405tbh so was Charles and the queen incredibly out of touch and self indulgent privileged inbreds
@@jonathanlandau-litewski7405yep she was a ridiculous spoiled drama queen.
@@marietighe6328 the only queen she was ever gonna be!
@@jonathanlandau-litewski7405 was she really? Or you just like to see it that way.
I loved Diana like everyone else at the time, but in hindsight, it was clear she had massive mental health problems, was headstrong and would do anything to get her own way, including shooting herself in the foot. While she may have won the battle of public opinion at the time, her cooperating with Andrew Morton with his book and then the BBC interview, she was the author of her own demise which lead to her divorce and ultimate death. And as a result, she left her two boys without a mother and Camilla as Queen of England. What a horrific, needless tragedy.
@@JoanMorrison-vq2jc I don't think she married Charles just for a title. I do believe she loved him but it was a fantasy-romantic love straight out of Disney and she had no idea how to make a successful marriage. And while I never liked Fergie and thought she was a disaster as a member of the RF, I do believe she genuinely loved Andrew.
@@01Mary02
And still does.
@@JoanMorrison-vq2jc I think Andrew & Sarah really do love each other. I don't like either of them, but they seem to want to stick with each other. As far as Diana is concerned, she was too young and too emotionally damaged to be able to be a good wife, especially as Charles was also emotionally damaged from his childhood. He couldn't give her what she needed and she couldn't give him what he needed.
I believe Catherine really does love William, but I don't think Meghan has ever loved Harry. He was simply a tool for her to get that worldwide fame she's been after her whole life.
Diana was only 19 and it must be devastating to know that your husband loves somebody else. I still remember when asked if they were in love, Diana answered “of course”and Charles said “whatever loves means”. If he can respond like that in public, how do we know how he acts or makes her feel in private. A very “normal” person could easily develop mental health issues under those circumstances.
@@ruizhiqiu2109 I don't disagree with you entirely. I think the way he treated her certainly contributed to her mental health problems, but I believe it started when her parents divorced.
Two great actresses.
I think if the queen had been wiser 20 years before the marriage, she would’ve treated Diana with much more protection, consideration and respect, I also think if she wouldn’t have been advised or influence, she would’ve probably been much more a mother figure to her. Things might’ve been very differently, but history is sadly a game that is watched from the backseat.
I think she would have pushed harder for the marriage with Charles and Camilla
Diana was divorced and had no right to get the privilege of royal protection..
Respect is earned.
Very true. Diana was a supernova star and Queenie did not see it.
@@mjremy2605yes
Calm fury from Her Majesty.
I highly doubt the Queen ever spoke so coldly to Diana. I feel this show is over exaggeration of these two characters. Queen might was unable to understand her but i don't think so she was that rude.
Diana's character was also over exaggerated and somewhere crossed the line. She never would vote a NO for manarchy as shown in the show. She herself said in the panorama interview that how can she destroy the establishment her son's future depend upon.
@thechuckleshow2470 you'd be surprised. She had her dad in her. Meaning, she was more than capable of showing emotion. She and Diana didn't really get along. But, she was the queen. 🤷🏿♀️
Always people who "misbehave" meet with coldness and judgment from those who behave, which gives the people who misbehave an excuse to double down and so on in a spiral.
I have often wondered if the feeling portrayed here by the queen were rather accurate. Prince Philip was truly mad as in effectionate for Diana continued till the divorce and she started giving public interviews and I've often wondered if Charles power with literally creating the most powerful money worth position in the royal family and his personal hostility towards her was misrepresented of the entire family.
If you think I'm wrong, the last prince of Wales had roughly 1 million pounds when he left his role. He hid it of course. Now, the property incomes alone associated with the Dutchy of Cornwall are rumored to be worth billions.
is English your second language?
imelda staunton is magnificent in all her roles
Such a captivating upload.
Gotta love queenie patting herself on the back for not bad-mouthing Diana, as if that itself was an achievement worthy of admiration. Congrats, Lizzie-you did the absolute minimum.
One can only hope the real person wasn’t as meager a human as this.
I think the representation was closer than most would like. Elizabeth kept herself walked off from all but a trusted few and I had the feeling she was so adept at it she even forgot who she was as she became absorbed by the mythical Crown and Country trope. The girl she was died the moment she was crowned and through many trials she became the enigma many loved and mourned.
Walled off, not walked off lol. Darn autocorrect 😂
She went too far . Not fair for her children
Yes it was an incredibly selfish thing to do to her children, esp William who was at such an awkward age. Did she even brother to tell him in person before it aired?
These actresses are superb. Well done.
Congratulations you did have time to think about your anniversary, your majesty
It’s wasn’t hostility they felt. They felt nothing. They were callous, self serving & remote..
Were AND are
They are bound to duty. To serve.
They don’t feel.
Its the curse of the crown.
The sad thing about this whole scene is this: how would Diana know that the Queen defends her when all she feels like is a statue in their system and never sees the Queen unless it was for an event of some kind, no chance to be one on one to talk about any of it. And most of all, the Queen is telling Diana that it is all in her head when it never has been. If the Queen had actually taken the time to really look at Diana, she would have known something was truly wrong, talk with her. Instead the Queen did what she did best, act accordingly, not as a human being should. I understand that she is the Queen, the Crown, an image to the people of England and she has been for decades now. But for her to act as if another person’s feelings especially the mother of her grandchildren is not really worth the time even with her busy schedule. Thanks for uploading.
Queen never liked interfering in others' personal lives unless they posted a threat to the Crown. She really hoped Diana and Charles would come to a settlement and enjoy their separate lives while remaining married. Diana could sleep with as many men she could and the same goes for Charles as well as long as they kept them private and appeared united in public.
@@fahimfaisalmahir567 sadly Elizabeth does but not like other people do. For example, she interfered with her husband’s life and career. Ensuring that her sister, Margaret did not marrying Peter. Delaying her marriage to Tony. Jump to later on, Margaret wanted to do more work but instead Elizabeth had whatever work Margaret had taken away. Elizabeth became the system of the Crown. She lost all humanity she once had over time being the Queen of England while interfering with others in all kinds of ways.
@@TheRealDeal92You are forgetting one thing here i.e. the Parliament. Margaret’s marriage with Peter was opposed by many elected MPs and Church as well. That time parliamentarians had a say in royal marriages. She turned down the marriage proposal not as her sister, but as the Queen. Margaret could no longer serve as Counsellor of State after Edward came of age bcz only 5 people can be Counsellors of state (rule made by Parliament). Queen is bounded by constitution and laws, and she had to upheld it no matter what.
@@fahimfaisalmahir567 all very true. No arguing with that. However to others at the time like her husband and her sister, Philip saw his wife taking the council of Parliament immediately follow with considering what it’ll do to her marriage and her children. And to her sister, that relationship destroyed, never been the same since. Philip saw her as his wife, love of his life before she became Queen. Her sister knew her far longer before she ever became Queen so she would always see her as a sister before being Queen of England. As for Diana, she saw her as more of a mother in law, a second mother and grandmother to Diana’s children before seeing her as Queen of England. The Queen of England is one of the biggest jobs in the world however she was a sister, a wife, a mother before she ever became Queen. She could have definitely found other ways so the relationships between her husband and sister could have remained good rather than just a connection of the Crown and being Queen. She should have found another option for Margarett and Peter. She should have found a more solid ground for her husband before taking away his career. She should have understood how her own son, Charles treated Diana and helped better the situation than to let Charlie’s continue his mistress relationship.
Again, I more than understand Elizabeth was Queen and had to always consider the council and advice of Parliament of England. I only believe she could have found other options to find a good balance for her husband, her sister, her children and her daughter in law.
@@TheRealDeal92 She was a human after all. She had her limitations. Maybe for her the Crown, family legacy and the country mattered more than her personal relationships. She can't be everything to everyone.
Did this conversation really happend back in the day?
As the Queen said what Diane is saying is repetitive, King Charles when he was a Prince, Fergie, Megan, Harry, and probably others. If there is no time or empathy for close Family members or staff there is something sadly lacking in that institution they revere so much. People have to remember the Queen was brought up by her grandmother, Queen Mary and the Queen's mother who were extremely rigid in their 20th Century culture when marriage had to be endured whatever the circumstances. The Queen had a difficult marriage herself and she did not attend school or university so its amazing how astute and successful she was in her reign. She set a high bar for her successors to achieve. Rest in Peace Queen Elizabeth😢
The queen had a tailored education by many tutors because her career was by the age of 10. She had a very successful marriage with Philip. All of the rumors of strife between the two of them are just idle gossip. They had a normal marriage and Philip was faithful to the end. accusations of affairs are simply ridiculous
@@marielfalk4537 people like you who are continual deny of reality are the main cause of stress and problems in families. You need to do a bit more research and reading instead of looking through rose tinted glasses.
I think she expected Diana to act like an adult when all she was was a selfish, damaged child.
why do i have a feeling that this conversation or parts of it never happened in real life
This actress is great on her roll playing Diana, she also look a lot like her.
Debiki's acting is spot on!!!
I think the Queen did as good a job in her role as any human could have. But she *was* human. And I think, like so many people whose priority it is to present a united front or keep a stiff upper lip, she may have got this wrong. I think she ignored relational and other problems in the hope they would go away. And they didn't. And people got even more hurt.
The Queen Elizabeth will never be matched
The Queen was already used to dealing with difficult relatives from an early point. Her sister, Princess Margaret, was more than a handful.
As were her sons... well, 2 of them, anyway. Lol
If this conversation had really happened, I can't imagine it being any different. The remorse that followed Diana's death by the Royal family must've been dreadful to cope. Debicki and Imelda were impeccable.
Diana was not a perfect angel. She made many mistakes.
0:49 a 3m tall Diana next to the short Queen. 😂
2:29 nnnnot OONNNCE!
What a crock of crap. All the queen really wanted was for Diana to "behave herself,...meaning "put up and shut up". Meanwhile Chuck was very happy with his permanent (even today!) side piece.
I will never refer to her as "Queen" Camilla.
How many "side pieces" did Diana have? Did anyone keep count? She even admitted she was the first to stray, as even she mentioned that Charles and Camilla had no "contact" until 1986 when Charles could see that Diana was involved with Hewitt (two years after Harry was born in case anyone wants to start in on that).
She in indeed the Queen. Queen Camilla 🫅
I doubt any of these conversations really happened with Diana and The Queen because the princess knew what she was doing to create as much publicity as possible.
Also, as this fictional show does NOT explain, Prince Charles tried during the early years of his marriage to get Diana all the help she needed. He hired therapist after therapist, but Diana ultimately refused treatment. That isn't entirely her fault: from personal experience I know that therapy for mental illness is Very, VERY hard and difficult to do. But if you refuse it, you refuse the treatment. Diana also refused psychiatric medicine because of the stupid false stereotype that psychiatric meds implies that you're "doing drugs". We can see where she's coming from, but, for this woman to EVER have implied that no one tried to help her is BEYOND a lie. She could just never, ever accept that anything, anything was partially her fault.
I also think she had post partum depression with one child. She also had anorexia nervosa.
@@BunnyWatson-k1wYes
He was severely gaslighting her in their marriage and all those supposed therapists were to reinforce that. Ending his extra-marital affair and not being a spoiled brat who resented his wife for being popular would have been a far more genuine and fruitful attempt to help. I understand Charles has spent the past years putting considerable effort and money into his false victimhood PR - but I CANNOT understand people actually buying that about ‘Prince’ “do you seriously expect me to be the first Prince of Wales in history not to have a mistress?”. We also have video evidence of how much he has publicly humiliated Diana such as their engagement interview or that time he ‘joked’ about having two wives. Pathetic.
@@BunnyWatson-k1w No.. The late Princess of Wales was bulimic.. there is a big difference between the two disorders!
@@ElvenSkywalkerI think the only mistake Diana did was to think Charles was in love with her
I think it’s amazing how much they were able to make Melania look like Princess Di here.
She said everyone wishes her to be happy... yet, a few moments before she recounted she always defended her to everyone... everyone who? The Queen really did hide away from speaking with her and others over the years. Avoided difficulties. She wasn't busy all the time.. She had quite a bit of free time, if she thought Diana of importance.
Diana wasn’t important to her
different generations will give a different response
I kinda agree with the Queen here, but I imagine her courtiers and advisers were doing their best to stir things up and make life difficult for the princess & the Queen. If only families didn't have press advisers eh?
Defence out of obligation and not love is sort of irrelevant.
She did it in secret. This scene is not real
Yes, correct. This is a fictional television show.
No...my understanding was this did actually happen...Diana even arranged the broadcast date as a surprise for the then prince Charles birthday and the queen and prince philips anniversary...
Do they ever turn the lights on in those palaces or is it just the stage props ?
Bedankt voor de geweldige video! 🇳🇱
its funny you think Elisabeth would have had more sympathy after all how many time a people did Phillip cheat on her with. How many times did she over look it since she wanted him demanded him threw a tantrum to marry him until everyone gave in. she always seemed to forget no one wanted her to marry Phillip because of the STRONG ties his family had with the Nazis as in he met the head crazy many times close. she was a great queen but like all people made a sh*t ton of mistakes. the problem was her word was law in her family if she said no you can't get married they couldn't so she broke up couples many times and then was shocked at the outcome and how they behaved like she didn't have an ounce of guilt for it when she held her breath to marry the man she wanted but couldn't allow others to do the same.
Diana lost the feeling who she can trust and who not and Bashir took advantage of that.
We all think of Diana as a loving and caring mother. But i ask you: By that interview her Boys were 13 and 11 years old. Did she do them a favour by speaking like that publicly? I dont think so....
Obviously she didn't think about her boys at all, when she gave this interview
William had stopped talking to Diana and Charles for a long time after that interview. He had to listen a lot from people bcz of that interview.
I've been on both sides of scenarios like this and I can say emphatically that when presumptions are made, everyone fails, but if someone only hears bad and there is an air of polite disrespect and prior instances of the same within a gossip circle, then it really isn't unreasonable to feel insecure in those matters. Like telling someone you are humble, telling someone you fight for them when they couldn't possibly know comes across as silly in those circumstances where you can honestly say, "then you should have told me that and praised me in public."
BTW, there are more facets here and this is not about the interview; which was foolish in my view, but this *only* focuses on what should be done up front. Demanding trust only God can is never a good call. We have to be more blunt and visible.
Do we still think the Royal Family has nothing to do with Diana's death?
There were two lengthy inquests: one in Paris and one in London. The family who was to blame for the deaths is the Fayed family. There should have been an escort vehicle. The chauffeur was proven to be drunk. The car was in poor condition. The only survivor was the bodyguard who was the only person wearing a seatbelt and should have insisted that everyone else wore theirs. The chauffeur was goading the paparazzi . . . the list goes on. The Royal family had no idea where Diana was, but thought she was on her way back to London to spend a couple of days with her sons before they returned to school. At the time of the accident, Charles had access and the boys were spending the summer at Balmoral as they did every August.
I know this is pure fiction, but the idea that the Queen is too busy to spare even 10 minutes with her daughter-in-law is a feeble excuse.
Diana was a bit off..
She had mental health issues.
A bit
I’m sorry but the queen was absolutely trying to gaslight Diana here, she treated her awfully as much as Charles has
The palace made Diana out to be an attention seeking monster. Diana's relationship with Charles was abusive and the sooner she escaped the better. RIP Diana.
Diana was abusive to everyone around. Charles loved and still loves Camilla. Diana wrecked marriages and had it off with as much as she could. Sweet Diana? No wa.
Did Diana not curtsey to the Queen when she walked into the room????
Imelda NAILED this!!
Queen Elizabeth did not want Diana to be happy. Queen Elizabeth wanted Diana to choose service and duty over happiness. That was instilled into Queen Elizabeth from the moment she was born. Unfortunately, that was not instilled into Princess Diana. I don't think either woman was wrong. I think both women came from different eras in their life. I am 61 years old and my era was to protect the family image at all cost. So I can relate to Queen Elizabeth. However, this generation as well as Diana's generation could care less about the protection and image of the family. I have since now come to believe that there has to be a balance . If that protection is causing you unbearable pain and suffering, revealing the truth is better than a lifetime of misery. I watched my sister spiral into drugs protecting the secrets of the family. Death became her only peace.
The British are cultists of the Queen, even the most poor and under the bus Britons venerate the queen, to me, very far removed from that world, think that the queenie was full of herself.
Nah i there was always something slippery about Diana- i never could put my finger on it but personally all the charity event and hospital visits were for show especially after they got divorced.
I always felt sorry for Charles more i personally think he was pushed into the marriage more than Diana - she could of always said no.
I dunno she always seemed to 'have butter wont melt' look and personality to me. Unlike Kate who you can tell is geninue and not playing up for the cameras 😊
Imelda Staunton nails it.
I have 5 grown son & can attest navigating a family; let alone a kingdom, is a bloody nightmare!
Elizabeth’s silence speaks volumes about how much they didn’t care.
Diana and the Queen are from two different generations and not attuned to the other's wants or needs. For the Queen, The Crown and all that came with it was essential. The abdication of her uncle and its impact was etched into her brain.
What a well written scene
Diana was clinically depressed and her perceptions were skewed. But hostility from her husband was not fabricated in her head. Charles own words confirmed alienation. Perhaps Diana’s issues led her to over generalize.
Im no longer a royalist. Once the events of Aug 31, 1997 occured, something in me made to lose respect and admiration for the crown
Why? Do you think they are responsible for a drunk driver getting behind the wheel of a car and driving 100 kph through city streets?
The family responsible for Diana's death was found to be the Fayed family - as well as the paparazzi.
The Queen is bound by honour and duty to her people and her commonwealth. Or as Richard III ( always signed on his letters ) honour and loyalty binds me. This is the backbone of the English Monarchy ( well, it was anyway ) . Queen Elizabeth II as did Queen Elizabeth I devoted her entire life to the crown and its people. Princess Diana was not the same , she was of an entirely different era. She gave her love freely and was always compassionate to everyone, but when it wasn't returned in kind , well we all know what happened. Prince Charles and yes I still say Prince ( he will never be a King ) was a spoiled little dandy . Just like his paedophile of a brother. Thinking you are above everyone else, simply does not make it so.
Diana was an angel , unfortunately not deserving of us.
What music is playing throughout this scene? Does anyone know?
I understand how the Queen felt but also l understand how Diana felt too. She felt unloved and not respected at all. I find it was a marriage that should of never happened for both sides. It affected everyone especially the children William and Harry. Extremely sad.😢
I had nothing but respect for Diane,
She was young and nieve when she got married,only one mistake was to speak to reporters about her marriage.
Nope she was a drama queen who traumatised her children. Poor William passing tissues to her under the bathroom door. Couldn't stand her.
What a range of opinions we have here on what was going on in that scene! Do they have much to do with what was said there, or what we know of the real events, or do they depend more on who and what we are ourselves?
No time? It is about prioritization.
The Queen knew about charles and Camilla
Amaizing actresses !
I do believe that Diana was just used to embarrass the Royal family. She didn’t really know the gravity of what she was doing. She was hurt; and felt the need to set matters right on what happened.
TMI here, but shortly after Diana was killed, I realized how unhappy I was in my own marriage and finally got divorced. Things can change in an instant, don’t waste a single moment being unhappy.
I hope the Queen told Harry about his interview he did like this or did she keep quiet.
It just dawn on me she died at the age of 36. All these happened when she was in her twenties and thirties, a young woman vs the whole system.
I know this scene is fiction, but I recalled in previous seasons, she called the queen on the phone so many times, but the queen avoided her. Once in Balmoral, she refused to talk to her because she need to feed her dog. And all those times, when the queen talked to Margaret, they nicknamed her "The neighbour" and here in this scene, she claimed she defended her all the times. What a hypocrite.
The Queen really said ‘gaslight gatekeep girlboss’ huh?
and to think that ninny now gets to wear the crown and cavort with the horsey mistress