I was watching the Diana in her words documentary and she always said how Charles never encouraged her or gave her praise or thanked her for anything. This makes total sense now!!
@@saniahussain6481 Don’t know whether you know this but... they cheated on each other. She had her partners and he had his; he’d never stopped loving camilla even though his arranged marriage to Diana split them apart. If it is anyone’s fault, it’s the family’s.
I love how she quoted her grandmother’s words from the first season. It gives a good perspective in how she really took those words to heart, and it really was the catalyst in her transformation as an impartial queen.
The difference is that her grandmother said it with tenderness and reassurance when Elizabeth felt that saying nothing was wrong, whereas Elizabeth says it coldly to Charles, as if no one cares about his words.
@@lordalessan Yes, but I think Elizabeth said it in that manner because Charles changed his speech in order to aim it at her. Elizabeth struggled with not knowing what to do about handling crises early in her reign, whereas Charles had a rebellious/ individualistic streak, and there was a lot of fear that he would follow the same path as the previous Prince of Wales. Elizabeth was known to be very cold towards Charles and it’s sad to see almost no real concern or consideration for his interests- only the interests of the royal family.
I love that she's in the position to say those words and understand them. She said Charles' first response to her grandmother. The difference is, Charles digs his heels in and misses the point. "I'm not a symbol!" he proclaims and yet...the entirety of seasons 1 & 2 dealt with Elizabeth having to become a symbol. She's had her life uprooted because a family member decided he didn't want to be a symbol. Her grandmother saw three monarchies crash because of the same issue. Ever since her father became King, her side of the family was picking up a mess her uncle left behind. She's trying to impart a wisdom she had to learn and is essentially told, to her face, by her son, that she has no understanding of what the Sovereign should be doing. And that action is unforgivable.
It does not let anyone out of their obligations as a parent. Atrocious and wicked parenting that has no excuse and no retrieval. They get their karma now, but to treat Charles as these parents did, as their parent and grandparents did them, shows they can learn nothing. It is repugnant.
@@djnoneofyourbusiness525 she’s his mother!!!! Much higher and more responsible title than monarch or defender of the faith, at which she’s done a shocking job, as on her watch the next defender is DIVORCED AND REMARRIED which the church they lead FORBIDS. Her cruelty here is hopefully an exaggeration for dramatic effect, but even when reduced, the treatment of Charles is inexcusable.
@@floare8561 yeah yeah I know but Olivia manages to have some continuity between Claire's acting and her own. The voice is a very distinctive feature of a person and the fact that two people were that good at imitating a third person in the same way is uncanny. Does that make sense?
@@j.verdikto4739 right!!! I love what you said. It makes it so much more seamless that they both were able to capture QE's voice, while both sounding the same. Masterful! While also maintaining the continuity you spoke of. 👌
First she had to deal with her sister about having “too much character” and then she had to deal with her own son about the same thing, aye no wonder she decided to become immortal (I spoke too soon……RIP HM）
@@hughobrien4964 the difference between Margaret and Meghan is Margaret just wanted to have fun, be her own self, which was a rich party girl too traumatized to grow up. Meghan on the other hand, wants spotlight and power, even if that means nobody having fun, including the funny bone in the family.
The Crown really tried and nearly succeeded in making me feel bad for Charles in season 3. And then season 4 happened. And we remembered how he treated Diana. And then I don’t feel sorry for him anymore.
You have to bring all episodes together to understand why Charles acted that way. You can‘t just accuse him for everything he has done to Diana without analysing everything that lead up to the moment. I personally believe there is no such thing as a bad person. We are made to be a bad person and I think that happened to Charles. He never felt loved by his parents. We was told he wasn‘t king material and so on. Diana was just too much for him. He couldn’t handle the fact that she came into this life and did everything right from the beginning on. People never recognize (still not know) how dedicated he is to his own country and the crown. But Diana got the attention for what she did. And he realized that she was stealing the acknowledgement he was so desperately seeking for. With this realisation I guess everything went down and Camilla came back on screen. Someone who loved him but wasn‘t ‚special‘ (Not in a mean way) enough to take the light from him but rather share with him. This is obviously not an apology for what he did but I guess it humanizes his actions and we likely would have acted the same way. It‘s always easy to blame sb if you aren’t in the same shoes :)
@@lovedottie1720 he was dating Diana's older sis when she caught his eye, so philandering even then. Pretty hard to sympathise w this guy, a confused ass man who had no spine So yeah, this does make him a bad person. Had Diana still been around he could've had a chance at redemption, idk like maybe an apology or more warmth towards his own kids but that's not happening is it?
@@lovedottie1720 Charles needed to be toughened up! Charles got the ways of his mother! His sister got the ways of their dad! I got way more respect for Ann than i do Charles! At least Ann fought off an attempted kidnapping at gunpoint! Charles would've most likely peed his pants like a schoolboy punk!
Remember several things. First off, The Crown is a fictional drama based on actual people. Second, there are two sides to every story. Third, Charles is not the only one who made mistakes. Diana was emotionally unstable before she ever married Charles. Her mother abandoned the family and left her with insecurity. She could be very manipulative with the family and most especially with the press. And Diana strayed, too. She had multiple affairs. She and Charles should never have married. They were polar opposites in every way. It was doomed from the start. After the divorce, Diana really went off the rails, running around with Dodi Fayed and flaunting the relationship. And we all know how that ended up. Charles and Diana both made mistakes.
@@zaria1528 I think the scene served to underline the difference between Elizabeth and Charles. She was able to accept losing herself, he is not. While the dialogue was 1:1 for the first part, Charles broke out and rejected his mum's wisdom whereas Elizabeth didn't challenge her grandma and settled into her role
Yeah that was quite a bit too obvious and expectable and actually devalued the drama and originality of this otherwise interesting dialogue. I wouldn't have made that "creative" choice as a writer or director.
I thought that was annoying. Yes, the Queen is trying to pass down the same lesson, but it was word for word. There is no way Charles would have the exact responds as his mother.
I think it's something we all learn to degree as adults. We're brought up being told we're special and to speak our minds and then when we get older we learn we're not so special. Charles here is acting like he is a special little button, exempt from the rules of impartiality. Like he is the only person in the family with feelings. His mother may not be as expressive but she still has them. She just channels them
@@MsJubjubbird exactly. they aren’t just any family, they are royalty with subjects all over the world. impartiality is a duty. this magnitude of wealth, fame and privilege, like everything else, comes with a price. you are there to look nice, not to shoot your mouth off to anyone who will listen to you. it’s a bitter pill to swallow, and she’s telling him here it’s the hardest part, but it is what it is. this is what he was born into.
And we wonder why he turned out to be a cold heartless person towards Diana. Look at this family dynamic. Repeated denial of love turns hearts cold. Its a fact
It's a documentary or not, It could be a reason why he is the way he is, but it doesn't excuse him to treat Diana that way! Every prince and princess are treated that way!
@@jellyfishi_ thats even better IMO, the writers understand the characters so well you can trace the reason of their actions to their experience in previous seasons and even beyond that (because you get why the Queen is like she is since she also had two seasons before this one). This is not only great screenwritting but also makes sense with the knowledge we have of the real people they are playing. Is brilliant.
Yeah, well. After he turned around and treated Diana like garbage, then I think Liz is right. Nobody gives a fuck what he has to say. And no one wants to hear anything from that mouth of his.
@@ElizaHamilton1780 he’s still human at the end of the day and every human deserves to be heard. I get that he isn’t the best person but we must stop acting like Diana was just a victim and nothing else throughout their marriage
Not probably. Definitely. Nobody should ever be, or ever want to be a 'monarch'. It operates a perversion similar to religion in any human society. It's another *evil meme.*
He is a sad pathetic man, camila was dull and nurturing towards him, built his ego up. She was the first to do that and that’s why Charles clingged to her. With princess Diana she was beautiful, funny, smart, did her best to be the perfect princes for him but she stole the spotlight and he didn’t like that. He wanted her to be in the background and stand still, boost up his ego and give him all the attention. But she fought back, she didn’t bend to him like camila did. He wanted to be heard, seen, understood cause he wanted to be the only one everyone had eyes on. He picked Diana cause he thought she would be a background prop doing what he says not having a mind of her own.
@@iTube22100 no he is not weak. He is manipulative. What he did to Princess Diana was absolutely CRUEL. Flaunting his mistress in front of her and supporting the friendship between Princess Diana and Camilla as if Diana was wrong to even complain about the affair. CHARLES IS NOT THE VICTIM. He is a narcissist in every sense of the term.
He is pathetic for being emotional abuse for most of his Life by His own Family? He is weak for Being made to a Symbol rather giving a Chance to be Somebody? He is weak because he had mistakes and faults like ever Human being? Diana had a affair too she was't Perfect nobody is.
@@narrationa8213 We all have our crosses to bear no matter our big or small!! It doesn't give us an excuse to harm others because we consider that we are suffering!!! The arrogance of Prince Charles is palpable. Surely a Prince could have dealt with his "emotional torment" in a way that was less harmful to another human being! HE NEVER LOVED Princess Diana!!!!! He used her. There should be a gross amount of shame and humility from him for what he has done. Instead we see NOTHING but arrogance. He is loathsome! But, there is one thing tht I loathe more than a narcissist which is making the narcissist's victim the perpetrator. Princess Diana as a young 19 year old girl who was clearly emotionally sensitive entered a fake marriage because she is charmed by a fake Prince (meaning he is a Prince in title only) eventually learns that the whole thing - all of it - was a show and that she was put-upon. Diana may have reacted to her miserable marriage and the realization that she had been completely setup and bamboozled by sleeping with other men, but she WAS and ALWAYS will be the victim of that horrid, god awful monarchy. God only knows what the rest of us would have done in her shoes.
The acting in this 3rd season has been astounding so far. This was a great scene, but then there are so many. The scenes with Prince Philip's mother are amazing also...she is a phenomenal actress.
When you consider how the queen acts like an actual queen, her children's behavior make alot more sense. They never had an actual mother. Of course they are weridos lmao.
When she said “No one wants to hear it”. You can see her sadness because she was in the same position and she had to learn that no one does want to hear it. She had to learn the hard way and she’s trying to help him, no matter how he may take it.
@@warqaanizar2527 Royal life is not nice, there's no room for cracks or faults because the moment a royalty shows them they are done for and becomes a target.
Actually, I think she had fairly loving parents - at least as depicted in some things I’ve seen. None of us know how thing really were. How do we know if this scene actually happened?
@@danbev8542 This exact scene may not have happened but there have been many who have witnessed that family in action. Who have gone on to release what they know in great detail. That family is fucked.
You can see the hurt on her face at 3:20. We've seen her spend her entire life up to this point learning to suppress and mold herself into the person she thought the country needed-and now her own son is telling her that it's made her soulless. When she says "no one wants to hear it," I feel like she's talking as much about her own voice as she is about his. Idk if she made the right decision or not, but I feel for her either way.
@@v1nniacb452calling her a terrible mother seems out of line, unless you have something substantial to back that up. A lot of the decisions in the rearing of her children were a necessity for that situation, and just because the child didn’t like the way they were raised, it does not mean the parents were bad parents. If we hear Charles say his mother was soulless, he may have a reason for it, but that doesn’t make it true. How many children hold grudges against their parents just because they didn’t get something they wanted? Some situations require strictness. This scene is a perfect illustration of how a child can so easily and casually misconstrue a parent’s feelings and reasons. She had a very good reason to rebuke him here.
@@v1nniacb452she wasn’t a terrible mother, you need to understand that she had a country to run, she had to be Queen to her country First and a mother second. In this scene she is showing tough love to her son, he was sleeping with his mistress, being unfaithful, even admit to having an affair and she wasn’t approving any of his actions,
@@angelsmith2101 she did not have a country to run, the whole point of the queen and her spiel is that the royal family does not run anything, they are shiny, pretty and silent symbols and nothing more
The Camila vs Diana thing makes sense now. All 3 had their faults. But Diana was too much for Charles from the start, shined brighter. Just her nature. Camila was like the womb that Charles never had. Different, special but not too much.
Finally, a sensible comment about the whole sordid affair! Don't forget Dale 'Kanga' Tryon, Baroness Tryon. I believe Charles once said she was the one woman who completely understood him and she, too, died under mysterious circumstances mere months after Diana. If I'm not mistaken, Diana and Kanga had begun a sort of sisterhood communication over how much influence Camilla had over Charles and how he was systematically pushing both of them out of his life due to that influence. It was a tangled mess of emotions all over the shop, as the Brits sometimes say and I feel bad for all involved. I think Diana did want things to work out, but Charles was too emotionally stunted and she was not mature enough to deal with that. She was the perfect fairytale princess, but Camilla was the 'round the way girl' (as we say in the States) and could see right through pomp and circumstance. I think Kanga was probably in between the two personality wise, but she, too, was not seen as 'appropriate.' All of this 'appropriateness' and surrendering to duty has made a train wreck out of these people, but that is the weight one has to bear I suppose when one 'has it all.'
I think camila+charles is a true love story. They met while still young... were forced to live apart for 30+ yrs, both married other people, but at the end (and after 'fighting' lots of people, even the queen), they got to be together. True love story. Diana and Charles were both very flawed individuals who should never have married each other because they never loved each other, and they only hurt each other. He married her only because she was young, and cute, and had the right pedigree. She married him only because he was rich, and famous and a prince. None of those are good enough reasons to make a marriage work.
@@celia-ov6rm true, love is not something u can force upon people, it just happens. Arranged marriages are stupid, glad that most parents nowadays realize that
@Skye Blue: I think Diana did care for Charles in the way that a young woman who is not born into a royal family with all their expectations can. Was she wrong to throw herself down the stairs pregnant? Of course! I'm not in denial of that. She knew it was wrong, too, I'm sure, but she was obviously mentally stressed and desperate to do such a thing and Charles could not understand her needs as he was not raised in a way to understand. His entire life has been about duty, obligation, observation of hundreds of years of traditions, and submersion of one's own personality for the good of crown and country. Compassion, understanding and empathy are not things that he was raised to have and I feel for him on that level. I also feel for Elizabeth, as she became Queen at the same time she was a young mother trying to raise children. Everything shifted overnight in that moment and nothing would ever be the same for her, her children or her husband. I'm sure deep inside she regrets it, but would not do anything to serve her country less than she has.
This scene was cold blooded, no matter how much I detest his behavior with Diana you can't deny he was deprived and it shaped him into who he became. That is the story of us all, I won't pretend I totally understand but children early on need certain things to develop into a more healthy well rounded being. I'd like to add no one truly knows if this scene is real and many other things thru the seasons.
_"That is the story of us all"_ - and that is the end goal of the evil meme named 'monarchism'. Your monarch is your country: he is also YOU. It's a less than zero sum game for human beings, but pretty good for the monarch and all those who support him. Always pick the winner.
@@tonyduncan9852 yes I agree there's no need for a monarchy. In my mind I ask the question "who decided you were a queen or a king, it's because you said so"? Then they murdered many people in many countries to create a common wealth and here is England today. Yet they say they are not racist, or that they dont hate other cultures...lol It's laughable.
She wasnt cold blooded. She LEADS by example. She was a very young child when her uncle threw away a kingship for a twice divorced woman who in the end despised him. She saw a kingship kill her very unprepared father. She KNOWS what it takes to shepard a nation for generations and remain its servant and leader. By example she has remained almost without fault. Keeping her opinions to herself and listening to wise council of HER government. Charles saw it as cold and rebuffed while Anne rose up and succeeded quietly being the hardest working royal member . While Charles bit hed and moaned and acted spoiled and stomped his little feet about how unfair life is. Ugh. Odious little man.
@@gigidodson Yes. She is truly noble, AND of good character. But so am I. Monarchs are deposed only by killing them. Must I kill her? Unlike her, I don't believe in killing anyone, for ANY reason. Must I suffer her in perpetuity? Unlike people that support monarchy, I believe that EVERY SINGLE INDIVIDUAL IS EQUAL TO EVERY OTHER, AND HAS THE EQUAL RIGHT NEVER TO BE DOMINATED BY ANY OTHER, THE EQUAL RIGHT TO HEALTH AND EDUCATION TO ADULTHOOD. Monarchs DON'T, and everyone else is a SUBJECT. IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER HOW 'NOBLE' ELIZABETH WINDSOR IS.
The day Charles as king, reveals an opinion no matter how popular will be the day some faction will have to take up an opinion against his opinion and because he is king they will have to go very hard and ruthless in their opposition. It will be the end of the Monarchy. The Queen expressed an opinion only once. It was against xenophobia. She has acted publicly only once when she dissolved The Australian parliament. She handled both deftly. I don't think Charles can pull off having an opinion. He has too much ego.
This part was a bit sad. I understand why she says it , but to have your own mom to tell you, you must suppress yourself... It's hard. This scene and the one where the former king dies and Charles says he felt he had replaced him made me feel bad for prince Charles.
She is not only her mother she is his Queen too, she was harsh but it was necessary because he his showing individuality and as future king he has to learn to keep his personal opinions and thoughts to himself for both is sake, his family and the kingdom. It's tough love.
@@nightnaughty like I said, I understood why she said it. She literally explained it on the scene. Still it was sad. Charles was just asking his mom to act like a mom instead of the queen (for this one time). It's sad they gotta repress who they really are for sake of the crown.
@@cristina7543 I agree it is sad, but i commend the Queen's commitment to her oath and to her people, she has remained true for all these years, for better or for worst.
@@littlegirlblue6326 It's a fictionalized scene, we don't know what really happend, still been in her position is not easy, she has to put her country first always, as you can see in the scene she heard her own words back at her from her own son about the frustrations own doing nothing, she might simpatized with him but can let him know that in this case she had to put her foot down to stop him from going on a dangerous road like her uncle.
Agreed. I felt that she was weirdly matronly towards him on the show, I wonder if this is a reflection to how their relationship actually was in reality.
No one should feel bad for Charles Do you know how many people cater to him and lick his boots at every corner? The show can’t actually show that he had 3-4 mistresses 1 died in an accident like his wife Then of course he killed his wife and all the other folks in that car And now …. Now he is king I hope Netflix has some guts in season 5
She does come across as cold here and it seems very unfair that they can't have opinions. But I think that's the very reason the British Monarchy has endured. She has a point. Because they're really only steps away from being got rid of. Even now. They have to keep themselves to themselves and try not to step on anyone's toes. It wasn't that long ago after all when the majority of the European monarchies were very abruptly got rid of.
That may be true to some extent. However, in many other nations, even Island countries like mine, nobles or royalty have always showed great restraint when it comes to revealing their (political) feelings and opinions. It is never to do with the removal of a monarchy. They wield a lot of power so/but they must stay silent. They are the embodiment of unity and the perfect image of strength in times of need. With that being said, they do have opinions. Those opinions are only ever heard by those they are close to. The public need never know.
Endurance? Survival? What are you talking about, the lack of willpower is why the monarchy has no real power anymore. The queen can talk tough and continue the rhetoric of obedience, but that’s only because she doesn’t have a fucking clue what it means to have real power. Nor did Queen Victoria, despite the success of he reign. Just like the Japanese Empire in ww2 it was not the monarchy in charge, it was people behind the scenes, the nobles and aristocracy, and capitalist elites who had real power. The British empire was built on this, and when that system started falling apart, the queens complacency and failure to step up and actually rule is why the lowly house of windsor has no power anymore. Were it the medieval ages with proper functioning monarchies, it’s likely a prince such as Charles and actions of his sorts could lead to his own real rule of wales. A monarchy who is only a figurehead is a monarchy worth nothing.
@@CobraRedstone If they want to remain relevant, they could consider having Harry have some role in Canada. Things might be too strained in the family now though. With the Empire becoming the Commonwealth long ago, the Queen could have explored distributing the realms to her many family members.
They were NOT very abruptly got rid of. The German, Austrian, and Russian monarchies collapsed because of defeat and/or fallout from World War I. Italy's abolition of the monarchy was a result of the end of Fascism and its involvement with it, along with the country's World War II catastrophe.
That final "No one" felt like "I, your own mother, don't want to hear you". I've heard that and worse from my mother, and she's been dead to me for years.
So heartbreaking. You can't act like your mother's dead when she's The Queen. She's on every bank note, how miserable. I hope this didn't actually happen.
When I first saw this scene I saw my mother saying the exact same thing to me 30 years ago! It seemed harsh then but as I look back on it, she was right. My mom has been gone for 12 years now and I miss her deeply every day. She knew that the world was tough, and she wanted me to be tough enough to survive in it!
i just realized this is the EXACT dialogue elizabeth had with her grandmother back in season 1. the difference is interesting: she responded to the “the less you do, the less you say…” talk with more sadness, whereas charles’s reaction was rather angry and confused. some brilliant writing here
apparently she kept listening to 'shipment reports' all the time to keep her expressions blank when her co stars were talking, because she can not keep a straight face.
It was as she'd had a premonition of him going off the rails, which he did starting from 1988, with all his Chicken Little (the sky is falling) speeches predicting doom.
The actress is great. As she’s telling her son no one cares it’s like she’s hesitant but acknowledging her sons pain. It’s like her words are cold but her eyes were kind and sad for her son
Ikr. I think they went too far with the "cold hearted" thing during this episode. It just doesn't feel right by having the S1 and S2 version of Elizabeth in mind. Doesn't feel like the same person and it bothered me.
I think she went on that road trying to protect and prepare him for the Crown and maybe not sufer like she did (like in her fammily afairs) Because most of the job as the king/Queen is this, be neutral, imparcial, not puting yourself on the matter, and doing what the prime ministre or your secretary think is best. Its a every day work of self anullment.
As your children grow though you do settle down a bit and expect them to be independent and stronger. Dealing with their own issues. The Queen probably did get harder on him as he got older because you aren't parenting a child you are parenting a man and in her case a future king. She probably had to set aside her maternal instincts to teach him a lesson. It's hard to parent a child once they get to a certain age you have to cut the apron strings. I bet there were lots of times in Charles' adult life she just wanted to cuddle him like her baby but you have to do what is best for the man he is and teach him to be strong. Apparently from interviews with her grandchildren and children she is a right dragon if you rub her up the wrong way with your behaviour and rightly so she can't be a doormat. Also as women get older we have less tolerance for other people's behaviour so actually her being very different is more believable than her staying the same. People change and grow over time. I think it's good to show in female characters how we constantly change and evolve and learn from the past. People are just too used to one dimensional characters in women. The Queen now has a lot of men in her life to contend with and keep in line I bet she got better with practice lol.
Charles never had a mother. He had a tough, distant father and a queen. The average time spend with his ''parents'' when he was little was less than 20 minutes a day. This wasn't ''tough love'', there was barely any love, just duty.
But Dianna changed things for the little princes. She gave them as much hands on mama time as possible. Thank God for Dianna. I do know she suffered emotionally but she changed things, and set a better standard for the parenting of future kings..
He couldn't give to DIANA what he didn't receive from his family.. it's logic. He was always looking to be thanked and valued for who he is and that is what Camilla gave him.. He couldn't understand DIANA because for him it is what it is, he was braiwashed and never understood.
People fail to realize the impact psychological abuse can have on an individual. Yes, he was bad to Diana, but why not to Camilla? I think with time, it’s possible he could’ve fallen in love with Diana, but who knows. This entire rule of lineage is completely sick and insane.
This was one of those "ice in the veins" things. What mother tells her son that nobody cares what he thinks or feels, including herself. A parent should be a soft place to land, even if she's a monarch. Maybe she was just trying to toughen him up but it's still a super sad scene. I can't imagine my parents saying that to me, or saying it to my own kids :(
to be told by your own mother that you don't matter is so cold and heartbreaking. i felt so much for charles in this scene. especially when he said "mummy" softly at 3:32. so heartwrenching
Too much Charles hatred here to actually fully appreciate this scene. It's all about the family being under complete control. They have no freedom. They are imprisoned into a system. They will never be able to freely show how they think or feel. Charles, being next in line, is given that lesson and he realises that he will never have a life he actually wants to have.
@@edithputhy4948 I mean, that's the entire point the show is making. None of the royals have a voice because they are royals, everyone's talking about how the Queen "burned" Charles by saying no one wants to hear his voice, but she's actually saying no one wants to hear THEIR voices, hers included. The public will only ever approve of royal opinions if royal opinions are aligned with theirs, which essentially means they just want regurgitated opinions and not the royals' own voices. The only way to have a voice is to renounce his title, but Elizabeth never offers him that either - she wants him to stay, and she wants him to be silenced like she was.
If they can’t speak their minds publicly, they should at least be able to discuss their thoughts and beliefs with their own family. So harsh and cold. I don’t like Charles but anyone raised the way they did with no love or compassion from their parents is going to have issues for sure
That’s the drawback of being born in this privilege. The crown is more important than family. As queen Mary put it, “the crown must win, must always win.” I get prince Charles, but being part of the monarchy has its own disadvantages. And what people didn’t like about Charles is he wanted it all. The freedom of the commoner and perks of the crown without the responsibility of being part of the monarchy. If he wanted Camilla that much then he should have just left like what King Edward did. But he wanted Camilla and to be king.
That’s why royalty have large families! There is always someone to talk , and listen, and share and get very professional advice. Watch a King’s speech
@@tatsianaketsko1479 That was George VI with his speech therapist, not his family. He could only talk to his wife about everything. His own brother mocked him, which didn't help his confidence.
Queen Elizabeth was merely making a modifiable point with him, over his lust with a married mistress that dishonored his lawful marriage to Di, who he should have been attending.
She always loved Charles. That's what mothers do. But she cannot support him for what he has done. Because now people will always judge him for this instead of something else.
You have understand, she did love Charles she loved all of her children, but she has her hands full, she became Queen at 25 years old, the whole entire nation is on her shoulders, a full time wife, and a full time mom, she had a lot to handle and she didn’t like what Charles was doing sleeping with another woman while married, she was showing tough love
In my opinion the Queen is stern and cold here because she was hurt by Charles' speech. She did show how she cared about him, and smiled when she said Charles' hobby is acting to the PM.
ScarletLeader yeah because they’re supposed to be impartial, or in other words, not show bias, which can come across as quite cold... not to mention all the rules they’re bound by.
She wasn't going to let him see how upset she was. At least, that is what she tried. But she drops her guard when she confronts him with the speech. It got to her on a personal level but she hid behind the protocol. Had she given him one iota, it would mean she had to recognize and validate Charles' feelings. In this scene you can tell he got to her and she just demolishes him.'No one' Very well acted.
Turns out that if you raise a person with no emotional sentiment, suppress who they truly are, force them to give up the person they truly love, and neglect them when they need you most; they’ll turn cold and heartless and project their frustration and anger towards the person they’re around who is allowed to be what they were denied.
I understand both points of view. The British monarchy has no party, the are an emblem, a figure of union, they are a way to unite them all under one crown as a solid nation. There for they can not have public political opinion because they are the state, it would be as if the flag had a political party. I get that Charles was young and wanted to be heard, but I know that the queen was right, if the flag shows preference for certain very prominent political views, the other sides would rise in outrage and it would be the beginning of chaos.
Hence the public preference for Charles not to reign, but to abdicate for William. This won't happen, yet Charles' current health isn't as robust as that of HM at the same age, so time will tell.
I'll be honest, I felt bad for Charles up through Season 3. You see how he is treated by other people and his own family and it's really heartbreaking. Obviously, any sympathy we all had for him went out the door in Season 4 when we saw how he treated Diana, but Season 3 honestly made you feel something for Charles.
It was meant to explain why he did what he did to Diana, not excuse it. Which is why we are so disappointed in him in Season 4 because ultimately he made the choice to treat Diana badly, no one forced him, or even told him, to do that. That decision was all on his own. He could have chosen to be a better man, he didn't. That's why no one wants to hear his side... because it's full of excuses, not taking responsibility. It would only be after Diana's death and his sons constantly telling him that they blame him for not protecting their mother and hiding behind Camilla, a woman they could accept as the woman who had his heart and who could make him happy, but never will they see her as a mother figure in any form, before he finally does that. Because sometimes you have to lose somebody just to find out what exactly it is you lost. And Charles... He's lost a lot. And it's his own fault, not his mother's. Yes, she had a hand, but choices? His. No one else's.
Charles goes around whining about how no one gives him any kindness or empathy, yet he treats his wife like garbage. You get back the energy you put out.
how can it be that he gets the energy he puts out when this happened way before he even knew of lady di??? he mistreated her because he himself was mistreated. he cant give what he doesnt have.
@@danella430 Oh please, he was the most coddled, spoiled child on the planet. He mistreated Di because he's a malignant narcissist. He was insanely jealous of her popularity.
What's interesting is that Charles wanted to help. His changing the speech was him trying to show that he actually gave a crap and didn't want to stand there as a figure head. *edit*: HOLY CRAP 1.6K likes?! THANK YOU.
One can read the actual text of the speech at www.princeofwales.gov.uk/speech/speech-hrh-prince-wales-replying-loyal-address-sir-ben-bowen-thomas-president-university It does not match the fictionalized version above. The actual speech can be viewed at ua-cam.com/video/D7zaLuA_DGI/v-deo.html
@@RaymondHng Yeah I read it. It's still quite pro Wales but a lot more subtle then the show. I think the show dummied it out so people could get the point it was trying to make rather then trying to read between the lines.
The moment she said "No one wants to hear it" i remembered Colin firths portrayal of her father in the film the Kings speech, the bit in the church with Lionel as they argue about why anyone should listen to him and he yells "Because i have a voice!" . Not because he was a king but because he was a person . I hope the Queen never was this blunt to Charles because it only means her fathers fight to be heard didn't have the lasting effect it should have.
Thankfully I wasn't the only one who thought about that scene in The King's Speech! The contrast between "I have a voice!" and this scene just strikes me.
__ Times had changed a lot between the 30s and the 70s. The King would have been closely consulted by government and allowed to have and express more of his personal opinions on policy, which Elizabeth and Charles would never get to do as society had put the monarchy in a very precarious place after the war. The King had a voice that he needed to use to communicate with his people in times of crisis, the Queen realises that no one wants to hear anything from her otherwise
@@tacosmexicanstyle7846 If The Queen or Charles will start expressing their voice.... They will be quickly got rid of. Modern people will say:"We didn't choose you, we don't want to hear your opinion!"
Her father was also a rather different parent. With his daughters he was always kind and warm, at least in the show. Elizabeth with Charles is just ice. Besides that, she should have taught him before making him go to Wales, not after. Anyway, this conversation reminds me Tywin and Tyrion's conversation after the battle at Blackwater Bay.
@@Thekellin1 it is not about having an opinion. The dutch royals don't express their opinions, either. But they do communicate with empathy and warmth, making people feel heard and encouraging people to take the time to listen to eachother and take eachothers' feelings into consideration.
3:05 - absolutely amazing! Josh O'Connor's portrayal of Prince Charles was wonderful. I fear he won't be as recognized as the leads Olivia and Toby during award season but he should be. He was the standout of S3 to me.
When she says no one wants to hear it, she isn't just talking about his voice. She's talking about all of them. People look at her and see her as the system, when she too is in the same position as Charles.
Then why have monarchs at all? The whole idea is archaic and nonsensical. No human being is better than another, especially due to chance or luck of birth. We should vote for our leaders, not deem them from lineage.
Even in this short scene, these two brilliant actors pulled me in and tore me up. Writing. Direction. Editing. Production Design. Acting. All top notch.
This acting, honestly, I felt like it could've been an actual conversation that Their Majesties might have had in real life. I've never exactly been a fan of the monarchy in this country, but I feel as though this scenario could go a long way to explaining why so many of its members are the way they are. Imagine being told nobody wants to hear what you have to say, especially by your own mother.
... and especially if 'what you had to say' was actually a huge success and very well recieved, which means your own mother who should thank you for that strike of a genius is the one being led by irrational emotions only.
One can read the actual text of the speech at www.princeofwales.gov.uk/speech/speech-hrh-prince-wales-replying-loyal-address-sir-ben-bowen-thomas-president-university It does not match the fictionalized version above. The actual speech can be viewed at ua-cam.com/video/D7zaLuA_DGI/v-deo.html
The Firm often states positions through actions rather than word. Although Buckingham Palace put out at statement presumably in support of Andrew (e.g. never met Ms. Roberts) their actions have been anything but supportive: stripped of major roles and responsibilities. The Firm is definitely stating an opinion on Andrew and the idea that he resigned of his own volition is pure poppycock. The Monarchy speaks and take positions on matters through what it does and not what it says. Actions always speak louder than words.
Charles made a mistake in that he changed a prepared speech from the prime minister office and altered it to a message that wasn't in keeping with his office. The monarchy is for the people and can't publicly work against the elected representative of the people.
She was preparing him in the same way she was prepared by her mother and grandmother. It's cold but in her way, she's trying to protect him. If you show too much character, if you let them in, they'll never stop. It's foreshadowing the Diana saga.
I read a theory somewhere that in reality, QEII's favorite is Andrew, because Charles and Anne are the kids she had for duty, and then Andrew and Edward were born when she was more settled as Queen. So maybe that's the direction the show will take, and if it goes forward to the present day we're going to see the ramifications of that decision lol, I can't wait, it's going to be messy.
@@sarasr18 Charles and Anne were born when she was still a princess, a young bride living her life outside the palace. The happiest days of her life, probably. The problem is those days were soon over when she became queen all of a sudden. She couldn't spent much time with them, hence the weird relationship with them, especially with Charles.
Olivia Colman is brilliant. She conveys so much with just her seemingly frozen facial expressions when she is not speaking, but they can convey so much. I will miss her, as I missed Claire Foy, but I am looking forward to Imelda Staunton who I am sure will rise to the task. I can’t wait until season 5 comes along.
This was Charles cry for attention or help & he has been shut down. I felt bad for him because he didn’t ask for it, he wanted to do other things but he‘s the heir to the throne.
@John Matrix He could, but if you've been raised to believe that you have a duty to someone, it's not that easy. It's why even in ordinary families, people get "trapped" into giving up their own lives in service to their families of origin. The guilt of wanting your own life is overwhelming. Not to mention, he would have never been free; not really. Do Harry and Meghan seem free to you? Paparazzi still hounds them and their every move is watched, reported, and criticized. It looks and sounds exhausting.
If this scene is based around an actual conversation that the Queen had with Charles, then it explains so much of why he did nothing in his marriage with Diana. He was simply following what his mother was telling him was the way to do things. Also keep in mind, the words of Queen Mary are the words of a different century. The Queen was so trapped by the traditions of the past and their way of doing things that she forgot to be a mother to the child who needed it more than any of her children. That’s why I love Diana, because she was determined to ensure that her children, especially the boy who will one day be King, would still remember to be a man of principle, love, and above all else, HUMANITY!! Mark my words, many “traditions” and ways of the royal family will die the day the Queen dies...
As much as I love Olivia Colman and think of her as one of the greatest, I can't help but hold Claire Foy's portrayal of the Queen in higher regard. Of course Colman is incredible too, but there's something about the body language and the restraint that Foy brought to her performance. She was fragile yet glorious.
I think Olivia is great, my chief complaint is that she looks nothing like the Queen. Besides the wig, the face and features are all wrong, not to mention Olivia's brown eyes. I love her acting, tho...I just wish they could have cast a more 'passable' actress, given that E II is one of the most recognized faces in the world.
I totally disagree with you. Olivia's casting in the role and her portrayal are superb: contained, nuanced and the sense of restrained emotion is masterful.
It reminds me of that scene from season 2 where Charles is in the cockpit with his father and he's panicking and Phillip just loses it. Both are trying to do their best to raise their son but realuse they just can't get a 'grip' on him. He's emotional, sensitive but willful and headstrong. The kind of kid who would rather starve to death than be fitted into a mold. And then he did the same thing to Diana who was even more sensitive.
He wouldn't rather starve to death than be fitted in a mold, that would imply he would be willing to sacrifice something and he clearly isn't. Charles has always plainly wanted to be King, but he doesn't want to do the WORK and difficulty of being a King. In this scene, and in real life we see it in his personal life with Diana and Camilla, his arrogance and self-absorption is on full display. Elizabeth KNOWS that a sacrifice is required and her son is not willing to make it.
I always find it curious how people seem to only understand the hardship of the crown through one person. Everyone can agree that Diana was a victim, but forget that Charles was too a victim of the crown, as is his mother. All these people have no say in how to live their lives and not allowed to complain either.
I think the reason people are able to sympathize with Diana more is because she didn't buy into the whole "the Crown above all" nonsense and didn't inflict any of that suffering onto anyone. Elizabeth was a victim of the crown, and she in turn made Charles suffer. Charles did the same to Diana.
@@edithputhy4948 yeah it is really tough. Thats what makes it such a joke that we romantize their lives so much, they live awful unhappy lives surrounded by fluff and gold and tea cakes all while being miserable and yet still believing they deserve all that stuff and need it. Its all a big joke.
Counter point: Charles didn't have to treat Diana that way. He said it himself, he shouldn't be the only one to cheat. Instead of changing the pattern he made it more visable.
"No one wants to hear it. No one." - No one is interested in what you think, how you feel, or who you are. No one wants to recognize you. No one sees you. How's that for being obliterated. 😨
I find this particular video interesting because of how many people sympathize with Charles. This man was born into a royal family. Because of that, he is rich, has traveled the world, was given an excellent education, and will always have a job. But it also comes with responsibilities, restrictions that non royals do not have. Some of them are incredibly harsh, but it seems like that's balanced with all the good things that come with being royal. But what people don't seem to realize is that becoming the next king is a CHOICE that Charles has. He can bow out (his uncle did, so did his son). He can remain in the royal family but have his sister Anne be the next queen. He could have completely walked away from it all and lived a quiet life with Camilla. But he didn't do that, he wanted to be king. He wanted to be the center of every thing. He wanted to be important and special. He just didn't want to have to follow the same rules his mom had to follow. He wanted it easy and simple. And when he couldn't get what he wanted, he threw tantrums. In public. Like a child. My guess is that if this conversation did actually happen between them, it wasn't the first time. Or second. Knowing how whiny Charles is, the reason these harsh words were uttered was because the Queen was utterly exhausted with him. He wasn't getting what she was trying to teach him. And him thinking that he should be congratulated when he had done something wrong in public probably pushed her beyond her breaking point. I bet he got the lesson after this conversation though. Probably moped about it for some time to Camilla though, who probably patted his head and gave him hot cocoa, scones, and a gold star for being such a good boy with such a bad mummy.
Yup. It amazes me that people don't see the utter arrogance and self-absorption here. Teenage Charles thinks his mother doesn't have a beating heart because she doesn't throw tantrums. You can see the bewildered hurt in her face very subtly. She realizes what a child he is for assuming something like that.
True, but bowing out from the royal family because of love is pretty much abandoning his duties and family. It's a big thing to give up for love and one woman. Prince Andrew would have been king if King Charles gave up the throne before he married Princess Diana, not Princess Anne as they still had male primogeniture.
Charles: "Because I have a beating heart" *It's heartbreaking. We sometimes forget that Elizabeth isn't just the Queen to Prince Charles, but also his mother and to hear her say those words to her own son is heartbreaking. *
It's pretty clear that Charles resented Diana for expressing herself in a way that he never had the freedom to. He had already been so browbeaten by his own family that, by the time he married Diana, he had already been transformed into a man who both openly resented but was none-the-less beholden to family duty.
The sad thing is that impartiality haunted her during Aberfan when people needed her and she drug her feet. To not show emotion or feel is to lose trust. I thought that was evident in all the times when people wanted a real voice and not a figure head. When you become disconnected and don’t speak up for what is right you become a part of the problem. It’s a comfortable place to be but a dangerous one for those at the bottom that are affected the most.
Is it only me that loves seeing the scenes in movies or shows that were tiny clips in the trailer? ...almost like you’re experiencing how excited you were to see it when you watched the trailer all over again
Josh O'Connor must have high empathy levels, because I feel I was really watching Charles, but a Charles only seen and known by a few people. He painted such an intimate portrait of him, I think, and this is a big part of why this show is sooo good, so well done. I just cannot stop watching Josh and Olivia Coleman together, they are soo god. And Olivia Colman seems to have two entities inside her: her usual everyday self and her Talent, that just has this incredible life of its own. The top performances of any film about the royal family ever done, hands down. Second to them I would place Helen Mirren, third Alex Jennings (first as the Duke of Windsor, second as Charles) and fourth Naomi Watts, who at times seemed to actually be Diana.
The actress playing the Queen is doing a really good job. I haven't watched the crown but my jaw dropped when I heard her speak. The way she lets her voice flow is pretty much identical to the Queen's, it's incredible.
How Olivia Coleman managed to sound like Claire Foy is awesome and scary at the same time. Excellent choice. ALSO, Josh just nailed this. Beautifully written.
While she may have seemed harsh her words were true, no one wants to hear it, they are Royalty which they are expected to behave in a certain way, its always been the Crown which is number one priority , the Queen had dreams of a different life however she accepted her duty and had no choice to put its needs before anything else including her children, no one could ever ever understand the heavy burden of being Queen and how lonely and cruel it actually is , Queen Elizabeth has seen so many prime ministers come and go, so many people too and yet she is still here, she dedicated her life and as a woman of power in them times years back it was no cakewalk. Lol I could ramble more but I will shut up now. 😆
Auntkekebaby Believe me they don’t want it to end. They like being luxurious and Fancy but when it comes to their actual jobs some of them don’t want it. You need to choose one and most of them choose sticking with family and working as a member of Royal Family
@@Auntkekebaby They can be themselves in their own homes. Just not when doing public duty. But they're not elected officials so it would be incredibly unwise to be involved in politics. The backlash would be tremendous.
So sad that he did realize that her speech meant she, too, wants to give an opinion and wants to use her voice sometimes, but never does because it conflicts with the crown. He didn't understand that she was in thr very same position as him. Instead he insults her, saying she has no heart and no character. I guess that's way she was so cold to him in the end.
Yes. I don't see queen mother as being cold hearted here. She was educating him but he failed to recognize that. If only he showed an ounce of sympathy and caring for what she had suffered, she would probably be more lenient towards him.
When he said he had a beating heart, it really made me feel sorry for him, cause he's right, the Queen was always one to follow protocol and do whats expected of her while not disappointing anyone, and not everyone can do that, Charles felt trapped and shouldn't be looked at as a fool, because he wasn't, he was forced into many things, including his marriage.
But that didn't give him the right to treat Diana the way he had. He didn't have the strength to overcome the system of abuse of being royal, not like his grandfather, who refused to allow how his own parents treated him have any sway over how he treated his wife and daughters. Even when he was forced to become King that didn't stop him either. Elizabeth didn't just lose her father, Charles lost his grandfather, someone they both needed to show them the way.
I was watching the Diana in her words documentary and she always said how Charles never encouraged her or gave her praise or thanked her for anything. This makes total sense now!!
Charles is a classic example of: You can't give what you don't have or teach what you don't know.
Well yah, she cheated on him.
@@MalrickEQ2 what?
@@MalrickEQ2 No he cheated on HER
@@saniahussain6481
Don’t know whether you know this but... they cheated on each other. She had her partners and he had his; he’d never stopped loving camilla even though his arranged marriage to Diana split them apart. If it is anyone’s fault, it’s the family’s.
"No one wants to hear it"
The Queen doesn't throw shade, she casts an eclipse.
yeah
i'd say that's a pretty accurate statement about the queen
lmao
Truth
😂😂
I love how she quoted her grandmother’s words from the first season. It gives a good perspective in how she really took those words to heart, and it really was the catalyst in her transformation as an impartial queen.
The difference is that her grandmother said it with tenderness and reassurance when Elizabeth felt that saying nothing was wrong, whereas Elizabeth says it coldly to Charles, as if no one cares about his words.
@@lordalessan Yes, but I think Elizabeth said it in that manner because Charles changed his speech in order to aim it at her. Elizabeth struggled with not knowing what to do about handling crises early in her reign, whereas Charles had a rebellious/ individualistic streak, and there was a lot of fear that he would follow the same path as the previous Prince of Wales.
Elizabeth was known to be very cold towards Charles and it’s sad to see almost no real concern or consideration for his interests- only the interests of the royal family.
I love that she's in the position to say those words and understand them. She said Charles' first response to her grandmother. The difference is, Charles digs his heels in and misses the point. "I'm not a symbol!" he proclaims and yet...the entirety of seasons 1 & 2 dealt with Elizabeth having to become a symbol. She's had her life uprooted because a family member decided he didn't want to be a symbol. Her grandmother saw three monarchies crash because of the same issue. Ever since her father became King, her side of the family was picking up a mess her uncle left behind. She's trying to impart a wisdom she had to learn and is essentially told, to her face, by her son, that she has no understanding of what the Sovereign should be doing. And that action is unforgivable.
It does not let anyone out of their obligations as a parent. Atrocious and wicked parenting that has no excuse and no retrieval. They get their karma now, but to treat Charles as these parents did, as their parent and grandparents did them, shows they can learn nothing. It is repugnant.
@@djnoneofyourbusiness525 she’s his mother!!!! Much higher and more responsible title than monarch or defender of the faith, at which she’s done a shocking job, as on her watch the next defender is DIVORCED AND REMARRIED which the church they lead FORBIDS. Her cruelty here is hopefully an exaggeration for dramatic effect, but even when reduced, the treatment of Charles is inexcusable.
The way she says "It is a duty" is so similar to Clare Foy's voice it's almost scary
@@floare8561 yeah yeah I know but Olivia manages to have some continuity between Claire's acting and her own. The voice is a very distinctive feature of a person and the fact that two people were that good at imitating a third person in the same way is uncanny. Does that make sense?
These actresses and actors do take direction and my guess is it is the same director and speech coach as in the first seasons. Why wouldn't it be?
@@j.verdikto4739 right!!! I love what you said. It makes it so much more seamless that they both were able to capture QE's voice, while both sounding the same. Masterful! While also maintaining the continuity you spoke of. 👌
I guess they practised under the same accent coach
Absolutely, she really sounds like an older version of her
First she had to deal with her sister about having “too much character” and then she had to deal with her own son about the same thing, aye no wonder she decided to become immortal (I spoke too soon……RIP HM）
And now HRH Megan is at it
having a personality is what causes you to die
@@indiciaobscure truly enlightening statement right there.
Maxi Delevingne excuse me, but Prince Tampon and Climate Change IS problematic
@@hughobrien4964 the difference between Margaret and Meghan is Margaret just wanted to have fun, be her own self, which was a rich party girl too traumatized to grow up. Meghan on the other hand, wants spotlight and power, even if that means nobody having fun, including the funny bone in the family.
The Crown really tried and nearly succeeded in making me feel bad for Charles in season 3. And then season 4 happened. And we remembered how he treated Diana. And then I don’t feel sorry for him anymore.
You have to bring all episodes together to understand why Charles acted that way. You can‘t just accuse him for everything he has done to Diana without analysing everything that lead up to the moment. I personally believe there is no such thing as a bad person. We are made to be a bad person and I think that happened to Charles. He never felt loved by his parents. We was told he wasn‘t king material and so on. Diana was just too much for him. He couldn’t handle the fact that she came into this life and did everything right from the beginning on. People never recognize (still not know) how dedicated he is to his own country and the crown. But Diana got the attention for what she did. And he realized that she was stealing the acknowledgement he was so desperately seeking for. With this realisation I guess everything went down and Camilla came back on screen. Someone who loved him but wasn‘t ‚special‘ (Not in a mean way) enough to take the light from him but rather share with him. This is obviously not an apology for what he did but I guess it humanizes his actions and we likely would have acted the same way. It‘s always easy to blame sb if you aren’t in the same shoes :)
@@lovedottie1720 he was dating Diana's older sis when she caught his eye, so philandering even then. Pretty hard to sympathise w this guy, a confused ass man who had no spine
So yeah, this does make him a bad person. Had Diana still been around he could've had a chance at redemption, idk like maybe an apology or more warmth towards his own kids but that's not happening is it?
Right! Very emotional.
@@lovedottie1720 Charles needed to be toughened up! Charles got the ways of his mother! His sister got the ways of their dad! I got way more respect for Ann than i do Charles! At least Ann fought off an attempted kidnapping at gunpoint! Charles would've most likely peed his pants like a schoolboy punk!
Remember several things. First off, The Crown is a fictional drama based on actual people. Second, there are two sides to every story. Third, Charles is not the only one who made mistakes. Diana was emotionally unstable before she ever married Charles. Her mother abandoned the family and left her with insecurity. She could be very manipulative with the family and most especially with the press. And Diana strayed, too. She had multiple affairs. She and Charles should never have married. They were polar opposites in every way. It was doomed from the start. After the divorce, Diana really went off the rails, running around with Dodi Fayed and flaunting the relationship. And we all know how that ended up. Charles and Diana both made mistakes.
The Queen’s speech to Charles is verbatim the exact same one Elizabeth’s grandmother Queen Mary gave her in season 1. To the word.
A bit too similar. Makes me wonder if his mother told him about it.
@@zaria1528 I think the scene served to underline the difference between Elizabeth and Charles. She was able to accept losing herself, he is not. While the dialogue was 1:1 for the first part, Charles broke out and rejected his mum's wisdom whereas Elizabeth didn't challenge her grandma and settled into her role
Yeah that was quite a bit too obvious and expectable and actually devalued the drama and originality of this otherwise interesting dialogue. I wouldn't have made that "creative" choice as a writer or director.
@@NiVi192 Don't get me wrong, me neither. I'm sure the writers thought they were being clever but it just made me roll my eyes.
I thought that was annoying. Yes, the Queen is trying to pass down the same lesson, but it was word for word. There is no way Charles would have the exact responds as his mother.
Goddamn. I know WHY she's saying it, but imagine being a young adult and hearing that. That's just soul crushing.
I would say the queen is rather emotionally stunted too
.....and from his own mother!. People that would love to be a king/queen, are clueless in matters of History
I think it's something we all learn to degree as adults. We're brought up being told we're special and to speak our minds and then when we get older we learn we're not so special. Charles here is acting like he is a special little button, exempt from the rules of impartiality. Like he is the only person in the family with feelings. His mother may not be as expressive but she still has them. She just channels them
@@MsJubjubbird exactly. they aren’t just any family, they are royalty with subjects all over the world. impartiality is a duty. this magnitude of wealth, fame and privilege, like everything else, comes with a price. you are there to look nice, not to shoot your mouth off to anyone who will listen to you. it’s a bitter pill to swallow, and she’s telling him here it’s the hardest part, but it is what it is. this is what he was born into.
soul evaporating
“I have just embarked”
“You were SENT”
The writing in this is brilliant. She always chose her words carefully
"No one wants to hear it!"
The queen throws shade at Charles with all the force of a sledgehammer.
I totally agree🤴👍🇺🇸
That's not shade. It's a read.
She didn't even raise her voice yet it felt like she beat him down.
Tough love
Owl Man thank you. Nobody knows what the hell shade is anymore
Complaining about being unseen when he does the same shit to Diana.
It was a cycle of abuse where Diana ended sacrifice.
Facts
it's almost like people who are raised by emotionally unresponsive parents become emotionally unresponsive themselves, hmmmmmm
Ohhhhhh!!!! Mega shade!!!!
But this was over a hundred years before he met Diana 💯🎅🎅🎄🎄🎄🎄🔥🔥🎈🎈🎈🎄🎄🎅🎅🎅🎅🎅💯
Olivia's range from sweet and heartbreaking to brutally cold is breathtaking. Even I shrank down in my seat here.
I have the highest regard for Olivia Coleman as an actor. I thoroughly enjoy watching her performances.
And we wonder why he turned out to be a cold heartless person towards Diana. Look at this family dynamic. Repeated denial of love turns hearts cold. Its a fact
It's a documentary or not,
It could be a reason why he is the way he is, but it doesn't excuse him to treat Diana that way! Every prince and princess are treated that way!
@@jellyfishi_ thats even better IMO, the writers understand the characters so well you can trace the reason of their actions to their experience in previous seasons and even beyond that (because you get why the Queen is like she is since she also had two seasons before this one). This is not only great screenwritting but also makes sense with the knowledge we have of the real people they are playing. Is brilliant.
Say it again
Im sure the real life Charles is just a piece of shit.
Ummm...excuses!!
So explain why he didn't treat Camilla that way if he didn't know better??
Probably one of the saddest scenes from the series.
"No one wants to hear it."
"Are you talking about the country, or my own family?"
"No one."
Agree, her knowing how it feels to be unheard could have made a point to listen to him for a bit.
Yeah, well. After he turned around and treated Diana like garbage, then I think Liz is right. Nobody gives a fuck what he has to say. And no one wants to hear anything from that mouth of his.
Sums up her complete inability as a parent.
@@ElizaHamilton1780 he’s still human at the end of the day and every human deserves to be heard. I get that he isn’t the best person but we must stop acting like Diana was just a victim and nothing else throughout their marriage
Not probably. Definitely. Nobody should ever be, or ever want to be a 'monarch'. It operates a perversion similar to religion in any human society. It's another *evil meme.*
He is a sad pathetic man, camila was dull and nurturing towards him, built his ego up. She was the first to do that and that’s why Charles clingged to her. With princess Diana she was beautiful, funny, smart, did her best to be the perfect princes for him but she stole the spotlight and he didn’t like that. He wanted her to be in the background and stand still, boost up his ego and give him all the attention. But she fought back, she didn’t bend to him like camila did. He wanted to be heard, seen, understood cause he wanted to be the only one everyone had eyes on. He picked Diana cause he thought she would be a background prop doing what he says not having a mind of her own.
Yes he is a true narcissist
@@InHisService772 No, he is just a weak man
@@iTube22100 no he is not weak. He is manipulative. What he did to Princess Diana was absolutely CRUEL. Flaunting his mistress in front of her and supporting the friendship between Princess Diana and Camilla as if Diana was wrong to even complain about the affair. CHARLES IS NOT THE VICTIM. He is a narcissist in every sense of the term.
He is pathetic for being emotional abuse for most of his Life by His own Family? He is weak for Being made to a Symbol rather giving a Chance to be Somebody? He is weak because he had mistakes and faults like ever Human being?
Diana had a affair too she was't Perfect nobody is.
@@narrationa8213 We all have our crosses to bear no matter our big or small!! It doesn't give us an excuse to harm others because we consider that we are suffering!!! The arrogance of Prince Charles is palpable. Surely a Prince could have dealt with his "emotional torment" in a way that was less harmful to another human being! HE NEVER LOVED Princess Diana!!!!! He used her. There should be a gross amount of shame and humility from him for what he has done. Instead we see NOTHING but arrogance. He is loathsome! But, there is one thing tht I loathe more than a narcissist which is making the narcissist's victim the perpetrator. Princess Diana as a young 19 year old girl who was clearly emotionally sensitive entered a fake marriage because she is charmed by a fake Prince (meaning he is a Prince in title only) eventually learns that the whole thing - all of it - was a show and that she was put-upon. Diana may have reacted to her miserable marriage and the realization that she had been completely setup and bamboozled by sleeping with other men, but she WAS and ALWAYS will be the victim of that horrid, god awful monarchy. God only knows what the rest of us would have done in her shoes.
The acting in this 3rd season has been astounding so far. This was a great scene, but then there are so many. The scenes with Prince Philip's mother are amazing also...she is a phenomenal actress.
I agree. The unconventional cast switch that they bet on worked. Im glad about it lol
@@cw2045 Agreed. I finally finished the season and thought was amazing. I hope they keep them for one more season at least.
The acting may be great but some scenes are tedious as hell: for example the 7th episode was rather painful to watch.
The always fabulous Jane Lapotaire!
Who the hell cast this actor as Charles? He's too cute
Ima Karimah That’s Josh O’Connor, a brilliant actor.
Cute ???? surely you jest ! LOL
@@paulbrown1585 He is cute, if you can ignore that accent. Definitely, too cute to be Charles.
It was likely casting director Nina Gold, who incidentally, also did GOT.
He is going to get his Oscar
Olivia Colman is unbelievably good. It’s almost comical how good she is. Born to be an actor.
Olivia Coleman was outstanding. What a gifted and versatile actor.
The British has had a series of outstanding actor/actresses. Colman is another one. 🎉
When you consider how the queen acts like an actual queen, her children's behavior make alot more sense. They never had an actual mother. Of course they are weridos lmao.
Andrew Panin yes. That’s really really really funny. Realllllly really funny. I can totally see people laughing for all eternity at that.
You're the only weirdo here tho
@@Error404SkyeNotFound says the person who unironically enjoys kpop
"Weirdo" is a word used by arrogant and intolerant people. No one is perfect.
@@wilfordfraser6347 bruh you weirdo
When she said “No one wants to hear it”. You can see her sadness because she was in the same position and she had to learn that no one does want to hear it. She had to learn the hard way and she’s trying to help him, no matter how he may take it.
You nailed that. She is a remarkably good actress, isn't she?
This isnt help, this is emotional abuse, no matter how right she may be she deffinitely couldve beeb way nicer.
@@warqaanizar2527 Royal life is not nice, there's no room for cracks or faults because the moment a royalty shows them they are done for and becomes a target.
Actually, I think she had fairly loving parents - at least as depicted in some things I’ve seen. None of us know how thing really were.
How do we know if this scene actually happened?
@@danbev8542 This exact scene may not have happened but there have been many who have witnessed that family in action. Who have gone on to release what they know in great detail. That family is fucked.
You can see the hurt on her face at 3:20.
We've seen her spend her entire life up to this point learning to suppress and mold herself into the person she thought the country needed-and now her own son is telling her that it's made her soulless.
When she says "no one wants to hear it," I feel like she's talking as much about her own voice as she is about his.
Idk if she made the right decision or not, but I feel for her either way.
Excellent observation
She was a brilliant queen, but a terrible mother
@@v1nniacb452calling her a terrible mother seems out of line, unless you have something substantial to back that up. A lot of the decisions in the rearing of her children were a necessity for that situation, and just because the child didn’t like the way they were raised, it does not mean the parents were bad parents. If we hear Charles say his mother was soulless, he may have a reason for it, but that doesn’t make it true. How many children hold grudges against their parents just because they didn’t get something they wanted? Some situations require strictness. This scene is a perfect illustration of how a child can so easily and casually misconstrue a parent’s feelings and reasons. She had a very good reason to rebuke him here.
@@v1nniacb452she wasn’t a terrible mother, you need to understand that she had a country to run, she had to be Queen to her country First and a mother second. In this scene she is showing tough love to her son, he was sleeping with his mistress, being unfaithful, even admit to having an affair and she wasn’t approving any of his actions,
@@angelsmith2101 she did not have a country to run, the whole point of the queen and her spiel is that the royal family does not run anything, they are shiny, pretty and silent symbols and nothing more
“Or exist”
“ I have a beating heart”
Those two lines made me feel empathy for Charles
I feel also bad for the Queen as well, both are victims of the Crown's weight
icyhugs completely agree :/
Are you also a prince?
@@pneron2032 does one need to be?
... you do realize this is just a script a person wrote that in no way reflects any truth?
The Camila vs Diana thing makes sense now. All 3 had their faults. But Diana was too much for Charles from the start, shined brighter. Just her nature. Camila was like the womb that Charles never had. Different, special but not too much.
Finally, a sensible comment about the whole sordid affair! Don't forget Dale 'Kanga' Tryon, Baroness Tryon. I believe Charles once said she was the one woman who completely understood him and she, too, died under mysterious circumstances mere months after Diana. If I'm not mistaken, Diana and Kanga had begun a sort of sisterhood communication over how much influence Camilla had over Charles and how he was systematically pushing both of them out of his life due to that influence. It was a tangled mess of emotions all over the shop, as the Brits sometimes say and I feel bad for all involved. I think Diana did want things to work out, but Charles was too emotionally stunted and she was not mature enough to deal with that. She was the perfect fairytale princess, but Camilla was the 'round the way girl' (as we say in the States) and could see right through pomp and circumstance. I think Kanga was probably in between the two personality wise, but she, too, was not seen as 'appropriate.' All of this 'appropriateness' and surrendering to duty has made a train wreck out of these people, but that is the weight one has to bear I suppose when one 'has it all.'
@@DarlingNikki2 yea all this appropriateness bs caused a whole lot of suffering thats unnecessary
I think camila+charles is a true love story. They met while still young... were forced to live apart for 30+ yrs, both married other people, but at the end (and after 'fighting' lots of people, even the queen), they got to be together. True love story.
Diana and Charles were both very flawed individuals who should never have married each other because they never loved each other, and they only hurt each other. He married her only because she was young, and cute, and had the right pedigree. She married him only because he was rich, and famous and a prince. None of those are good enough reasons to make a marriage work.
@@celia-ov6rm true, love is not something u can force upon people, it just happens. Arranged marriages are stupid, glad that most parents nowadays realize that
@Skye Blue: I think Diana did care for Charles in the way that a young woman who is not born into a royal family with all their expectations can. Was she wrong to throw herself down the stairs pregnant? Of course! I'm not in denial of that. She knew it was wrong, too, I'm sure, but she was obviously mentally stressed and desperate to do such a thing and Charles could not understand her needs as he was not raised in a way to understand. His entire life has been about duty, obligation, observation of hundreds of years of traditions, and submersion of one's own personality for the good of crown and country. Compassion, understanding and empathy are not things that he was raised to have and I feel for him on that level. I also feel for Elizabeth, as she became Queen at the same time she was a young mother trying to raise children. Everything shifted overnight in that moment and nothing would ever be the same for her, her children or her husband. I'm sure deep inside she regrets it, but would not do anything to serve her country less than she has.
This scene was cold blooded, no matter how much I detest his behavior with Diana you can't deny he was deprived and it shaped him into who he became.
That is the story of us all, I won't pretend I totally understand but children early on need certain things to develop into a more healthy well rounded being. I'd like to add no one truly knows if this scene is real and many other things thru the seasons.
_"That is the story of us all"_ - and that is the end goal of the evil meme named 'monarchism'. Your monarch is your country: he is also YOU. It's a less than zero sum game for human beings, but pretty good for the monarch and all those who support him. Always pick the winner.
@@tonyduncan9852 yes I agree there's no need for a monarchy. In my mind I ask the question "who decided you were a queen or a king, it's because you said so"? Then they murdered many people in many countries to create a common wealth and here is England today.
Yet they say they are not racist, or that they dont hate other cultures...lol
It's laughable.
She wasnt cold blooded. She LEADS by example. She was a very young child when her uncle threw away a kingship for a twice divorced woman who in the end despised him. She saw a kingship kill her very unprepared father.
She KNOWS what it takes to shepard a nation for generations and remain its servant and leader.
By example she has remained almost without fault. Keeping her opinions to herself and listening to wise council of HER government.
Charles saw it as cold and rebuffed while Anne rose up and succeeded quietly being the hardest working royal member .
While Charles bit hed and moaned and acted spoiled and stomped his little feet about how unfair life is.
Ugh. Odious little man.
@@gigidodson Yes. She is truly noble, AND of good character. But so am I. Monarchs are deposed only by killing them. Must I kill her?
Unlike her, I don't believe in killing anyone, for ANY reason. Must I suffer her in perpetuity?
Unlike people that support monarchy, I believe that EVERY SINGLE INDIVIDUAL IS EQUAL TO EVERY OTHER, AND HAS THE EQUAL RIGHT NEVER TO BE DOMINATED BY ANY OTHER, THE EQUAL RIGHT TO HEALTH AND EDUCATION TO ADULTHOOD.
Monarchs DON'T, and everyone else is a SUBJECT.
IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER HOW 'NOBLE' ELIZABETH WINDSOR IS.
The day Charles as king, reveals an opinion no matter how popular will be the day some faction will have to take up an opinion against his opinion and because he is king they will have to go very hard and ruthless in their opposition. It will be the end of the Monarchy. The Queen expressed an opinion only once. It was against xenophobia. She has acted publicly only once when she dissolved The Australian parliament. She handled both deftly. I don't think Charles can pull off having an opinion. He has too much ego.
This part was a bit sad. I understand why she says it , but to have your own mom to tell you, you must suppress yourself... It's hard. This scene and the one where the former king dies and Charles says he felt he had replaced him made me feel bad for prince Charles.
She is not only her mother she is his Queen too, she was harsh but it was necessary because he his showing individuality and as future king he has to learn to keep his personal opinions and thoughts to himself for both is sake, his family and the kingdom. It's tough love.
@@nightnaughty like I said, I understood why she said it. She literally explained it on the scene. Still it was sad. Charles was just asking his mom to act like a mom instead of the queen (for this one time). It's sad they gotta repress who they really are for sake of the crown.
@@cristina7543 I agree it is sad, but i commend the Queen's commitment to her oath and to her people, she has remained true for all these years, for better or for worst.
@@nightnaughty She could at least hear him out privately.
@@littlegirlblue6326 It's a fictionalized scene, we don't know what really happend, still been in her position is not easy, she has to put her country first always, as you can see in the scene she heard her own words back at her from her own son about the frustrations own doing nothing, she might simpatized with him but can let him know that in this case she had to put her foot down to stop him from going on a dangerous road like her uncle.
You can see why prince Charles so attached to Camila. He have a mommy issue. Can’t blame him
I would not call it a mommy issue, he never got any love and attention from both parents. Of course, he would look for it in someone else.
Trte Mrte But he did have a father figure in his uncle.
Lolsssss yes that makes sense
And Camilla took advantage of that too
Agreed. I felt that she was weirdly matronly towards him on the show, I wonder if this is a reflection to how their relationship actually was in reality.
"mommy, i have a voice" that part was really so sad. probably the only time i felt bad for charles.
No one should feel bad for Charles
Do you know how many people cater to him and lick his boots at every corner?
The show can’t actually show that he had 3-4 mistresses 1 died in an accident like his wife
Then of course he killed his wife and all the other folks in that car
And now …. Now he is king
I hope Netflix has some guts in season 5
@@AT-cy7imblame the family for forcing him to marry Diana. He wanted Camilla from day 1.
@@KingAgniKai you clearly needv to do your research ;)
@@AT-cy7im I did. Charles always wanted Camilla, not Fiana
@@KingAgniKai behave yourself
She does come across as cold here and it seems very unfair that they can't have opinions. But I think that's the very reason the British Monarchy has endured. She has a point. Because they're really only steps away from being got rid of. Even now. They have to keep themselves to themselves and try not to step on anyone's toes. It wasn't that long ago after all when the majority of the European monarchies were very abruptly got rid of.
That may be true to some extent. However, in many other nations, even Island countries like mine, nobles or royalty have always showed great restraint when it comes to revealing their (political) feelings and opinions. It is never to do with the removal of a monarchy. They wield a lot of power so/but they must stay silent. They are the embodiment of unity and the perfect image of strength in times of need. With that being said, they do have opinions. Those opinions are only ever heard by those they are close to. The public need never know.
Endurance? Survival? What are you talking about, the lack of willpower is why the monarchy has no real power anymore.
The queen can talk tough and continue the rhetoric of obedience, but that’s only because she doesn’t have a fucking clue what it means to have real power. Nor did Queen Victoria, despite the success of he reign. Just like the Japanese Empire in ww2 it was not the monarchy in charge, it was people behind the scenes, the nobles and aristocracy, and capitalist elites who had real power.
The British empire was built on this, and when that system started falling apart, the queens complacency and failure to step up and actually rule is why the lowly house of windsor has no power anymore.
Were it the medieval ages with proper functioning monarchies, it’s likely a prince such as Charles and actions of his sorts could lead to his own real rule of wales.
A monarchy who is only a figurehead is a monarchy worth nothing.
@@CobraRedstone If they want to remain relevant, they could consider having Harry have some role in Canada. Things might be too strained in the family now though. With the Empire becoming the Commonwealth long ago, the Queen could have explored distributing the realms to her many family members.
They were NOT very abruptly got rid of. The German, Austrian, and Russian monarchies collapsed because of defeat and/or fallout from World War I. Italy's abolition of the monarchy was a result of the end of Fascism and its involvement with it, along with the country's World War II catastrophe.
It is also what almost destroyed the monarchy. The remaining monarchies in europe, all evolved. The british monarchy was a dinosaur.
That final "No one" felt like "I, your own mother, don't want to hear you". I've heard that and worse from my mother, and she's been dead to me for years.
So heartbreaking. You can't act like your mother's dead when she's The Queen. She's on every bank note, how miserable. I hope this didn't actually happen.
My mother ... Same... Still hear those words after she has been gone 15 years.
When I first saw this scene I saw my mother saying the exact same thing to me 30 years ago! It seemed harsh then but as I look back on it, she was right. My mom has been gone for 12 years now and I miss her deeply every day. She knew that the world was tough, and she wanted me to be tough enough to survive in it!
😪
@@littlegirlblue6326 It did.
i just realized this is the EXACT dialogue elizabeth had with her grandmother back in season 1. the difference is interesting: she responded to the “the less you do, the less you say…” talk with more sadness, whereas charles’s reaction was rather angry and confused. some brilliant writing here
Yes, Mary of Teck gives her this speech in bed with her cigarette in her mouth. It was great how the movie referred back to that moment.
people are different
Olivia Colman is a very expressive person, while playing the queen she contains herself too much. And she does it perfectly.
She is following the directors and her own head. She is very good.
@Hafiz Rahman Don't you think the directors are telling her what to do and overseeing this??
@Hafiz Rahman do you know the queen privately?
apparently she kept listening to 'shipment reports' all the time to keep her expressions blank when her co stars were talking, because she can not keep a straight face.
@@poojasengupta8631 it was the weather she was listening to
"Let me let you into a secret. No one wants to hear it." Wow!
It was as she'd had a premonition of him going off the rails, which he did starting from 1988, with all his Chicken Little (the sky is falling) speeches predicting doom.
The actress is great. As she’s telling her son no one cares it’s like she’s hesitant but acknowledging her sons pain. It’s like her words are cold but her eyes were kind and sad for her son
This was the same woman that stayed up late at night worried and nearly ruined her marriage over Charles being bullied at Gordonstoun.
Sedd Not enough to remove him
Ikr. I think they went too far with the "cold hearted" thing during this episode. It just doesn't feel right by having the S1 and S2 version of Elizabeth in mind. Doesn't feel like the same person and it bothered me.
I think she went on that road trying to protect and prepare him for the Crown and maybe not sufer like she did (like in her fammily afairs) Because most of the job as the king/Queen is this, be neutral, imparcial, not puting yourself on the matter, and doing what the prime ministre or your secretary think is best. Its a every day work of self anullment.
As your children grow though you do settle down a bit and expect them to be independent and stronger. Dealing with their own issues. The Queen probably did get harder on him as he got older because you aren't parenting a child you are parenting a man and in her case a future king. She probably had to set aside her maternal instincts to teach him a lesson. It's hard to parent a child once they get to a certain age you have to cut the apron strings. I bet there were lots of times in Charles' adult life she just wanted to cuddle him like her baby but you have to do what is best for the man he is and teach him to be strong. Apparently from interviews with her grandchildren and children she is a right dragon if you rub her up the wrong way with your behaviour and rightly so she can't be a doormat. Also as women get older we have less tolerance for other people's behaviour so actually her being very different is more believable than her staying the same. People change and grow over time. I think it's good to show in female characters how we constantly change and evolve and learn from the past. People are just too used to one dimensional characters in women. The Queen now has a lot of men in her life to contend with and keep in line I bet she got better with practice lol.
Hey hey spoiler alert please I haven't watched the episode yet ==
Charles never had a mother. He had a tough, distant father and a queen. The average time spend with his ''parents'' when he was little was less than 20 minutes a day. This wasn't ''tough love'', there was barely any love, just duty.
By today’s standards he would be removed from the home on the premise of neglect xD
But Dianna changed things for the little princes. She gave them as much hands on mama time as possible. Thank God for Dianna. I do know she suffered emotionally but she changed things, and set a better standard for the parenting of future kings..
Neither did Elizabeth II or George VI or any other monarch. They had nannies and duty; Queen Victoria was known to be an absolutely horrid parent.
Anne said differently. That while her parents were on trips a lot they were very loving and fun.
Child abuse and neglect.
He couldn't give to DIANA what he didn't receive from his family.. it's logic. He was always looking to be thanked and valued for who he is and that is what Camilla gave him.. He couldn't understand DIANA because for him it is what it is, he was braiwashed and never understood.
People fail to realize the impact psychological abuse can have on an individual. Yes, he was bad to Diana, but why not to Camilla? I think with time, it’s possible he could’ve fallen in love with Diana, but who knows. This entire rule of lineage is completely sick and insane.
Can we appreciate the modulation of the actor playing Charles? His voice is so on point!
This show makes me understand Charles in a totally new light
I like Prince Charles a lot more than I ever did before.
RozitaVideo
Him and Philip
Bardo Agreed!
He still an ass...
He’s done a huge amount of charity work
This was one of those "ice in the veins" things. What mother tells her son that nobody cares what he thinks or feels, including herself. A parent should be a soft place to land, even if she's a monarch. Maybe she was just trying to toughen him up but it's still a super sad scene. I can't imagine my parents saying that to me, or saying it to my own kids :(
WRONG A PARENT MUST TEACH THE TRUTH
Neither of your parents where queen or king
to be told by your own mother that you don't matter is so cold and heartbreaking. i felt so much for charles in this scene. especially when he said "mummy" softly at 3:32. so heartwrenching
Brilliant writing, brilliant acting. This is as good as it gets.
and brilliant music, too!
Too much Charles hatred here to actually fully appreciate this scene. It's all about the family being under complete control. They have no freedom. They are imprisoned into a system. They will never be able to freely show how they think or feel. Charles, being next in line, is given that lesson and he realises that he will never have a life he actually wants to have.
FACTS! Too many closed-minded people commenting.
well he can abdicate and renounce his title if he wants to publicly voice opinions
@@edithputhy4948 I mean, that's the entire point the show is making. None of the royals have a voice because they are royals, everyone's talking about how the Queen "burned" Charles by saying no one wants to hear his voice, but she's actually saying no one wants to hear THEIR voices, hers included. The public will only ever approve of royal opinions if royal opinions are aligned with theirs, which essentially means they just want regurgitated opinions and not the royals' own voices. The only way to have a voice is to renounce his title, but Elizabeth never offers him that either - she wants him to stay, and she wants him to be silenced like she was.
@@Skyblaze77 she never told her son that he could be happier, if he just left it all.
Say it again!!!
Looks like Elizabeth graduated from the same school of Empathy as Tommy Lascelles and the Queen Mother
Sedd Indeed. Such a ruthless pragmatism characteristic of the Windsor family. It’s helped them survive the modern age, but at what cost?
I find this scene and his Hollow Crown monologue from "Richard II" at the end absolutely heartbreaking. Josh O'Connor is amazing as Prince Charles.
If they can’t speak their minds publicly, they should at least be able to discuss their thoughts and beliefs with their own family. So harsh and cold. I don’t like Charles but anyone raised the way they did with no love or compassion from their parents is going to have issues for sure
That’s the drawback of being born in this privilege. The crown is more important than family. As queen Mary put it, “the crown must win, must always win.”
I get prince Charles, but being part of the monarchy has its own disadvantages. And what people didn’t like about Charles is he wanted it all. The freedom of the commoner and perks of the crown without the responsibility of being part of the monarchy.
If he wanted Camilla that much then he should have just left like what King Edward did. But he wanted Camilla and to be king.
And what happens if those opinions are leaked? The more you say, the higher the risk
That’s why royalty have large families! There is always someone to talk , and listen, and share and get very professional advice. Watch a King’s speech
@@tatsianaketsko1479 That was George VI with his speech therapist, not his family. He could only talk to his wife about everything. His own brother mocked him, which didn't help his confidence.
To be denied the basic love from his own mother is truly heartbreaking.
Queen Elizabeth was merely making a modifiable point with him, over his lust with a married mistress that dishonored his lawful marriage to Di, who he should have been attending.
She always loved Charles. That's what mothers do. But she cannot support him for what he has done. Because now people will always judge him for this instead of something else.
@@nettiegurl he shouldn’t have married her.
I disagree. It was Tough Love.
You have understand, she did love Charles she loved all of her children, but she has her hands full, she became Queen at 25 years old, the whole entire nation is on her shoulders, a full time wife, and a full time mom, she had a lot to handle and she didn’t like what Charles was doing sleeping with another woman while married, she was showing tough love
In my opinion the Queen is stern and cold here because she was hurt by Charles' speech. She did show how she cared about him, and smiled when she said Charles' hobby is acting to the PM.
Maybe it's just cuz I'm Latina, but their whole family dinamic just seems ice cold to me lol
ScarletLeader yeah because they’re supposed to be impartial, or in other words, not show bias, which can come across as quite cold... not to mention all the rules they’re bound by.
zaza saphiera oh wow she smiled while talking to someone else about him, I’m sure that was all the care he needed as her son.
@@mekelreen9869 Well it's just my opinion.
She wasn't going to let him see how upset she was. At least, that is what she tried. But she drops her guard when she confronts him with the speech. It got to her on a personal level but she hid behind the protocol. Had she given him one iota, it would mean she had to recognize and validate Charles' feelings. In this scene you can tell he got to her and she just demolishes him.'No one'
Very well acted.
Turns out that if you raise a person with no emotional sentiment, suppress who they truly are, force them to give up the person they truly love, and neglect them when they need you most; they’ll turn cold and heartless and project their frustration and anger towards the person they’re around who is allowed to be what they were denied.
Who could've guessed?
"You irksome child, I shall now choose to live forever just to spite you."
I understand both points of view. The British monarchy has no party, the are an emblem, a figure of union, they are a way to unite them all under one crown as a solid nation. There for they can not have public political opinion because they are the state, it would be as if the flag had a political party. I get that Charles was young and wanted to be heard, but I know that the queen was right, if the flag shows preference for certain very prominent political views, the other sides would rise in outrage and it would be the beginning of chaos.
and the end of there monarchy
...and possibly lead to the overthrow of the monarchy.
Hence the public preference for Charles not to reign, but to abdicate for William. This won't happen, yet Charles' current health isn't as robust as that of HM at the same age, so time will tell.
Well said
I'll be honest, I felt bad for Charles up through Season 3. You see how he is treated by other people and his own family and it's really heartbreaking. Obviously, any sympathy we all had for him went out the door in Season 4 when we saw how he treated Diana, but Season 3 honestly made you feel something for Charles.
It was meant to explain why he did what he did to Diana, not excuse it. Which is why we are so disappointed in him in Season 4 because ultimately he made the choice to treat Diana badly, no one forced him, or even told him, to do that. That decision was all on his own. He could have chosen to be a better man, he didn't. That's why no one wants to hear his side... because it's full of excuses, not taking responsibility.
It would only be after Diana's death and his sons constantly telling him that they blame him for not protecting their mother and hiding behind Camilla, a woman they could accept as the woman who had his heart and who could make him happy, but never will they see her as a mother figure in any form, before he finally does that. Because sometimes you have to lose somebody just to find out what exactly it is you lost. And Charles...
He's lost a lot. And it's his own fault, not his mother's. Yes, she had a hand, but choices? His. No one else's.
Charles goes around whining about how no one gives him any kindness or empathy, yet he treats his wife like garbage.
You get back the energy you put out.
how can it be that he gets the energy he puts out when this happened way before he even knew of lady di??? he mistreated her because he himself was mistreated. he cant give what he doesnt have.
@@danella430 Oh please, he was the most coddled, spoiled child on the planet. He mistreated Di because he's a malignant narcissist. He was insanely jealous of her popularity.
@@mesmer3780 indeed
@@danella430 Well, he did give it to Camila, so he did know how to show affection
Thank u
What's interesting is that Charles wanted to help. His changing the speech was him trying to show that he actually gave a crap and didn't want to stand there as a figure head.
*edit*: HOLY CRAP 1.6K likes?! THANK YOU.
One can read the actual text of the speech at www.princeofwales.gov.uk/speech/speech-hrh-prince-wales-replying-loyal-address-sir-ben-bowen-thomas-president-university It does not match the fictionalized version above. The actual speech can be viewed at ua-cam.com/video/D7zaLuA_DGI/v-deo.html
@@RaymondHng Yeah I read it. It's still quite pro Wales but a lot more subtle then the show. I think the show dummied it out so people could get the point it was trying to make rather then trying to read between the lines.
I think he is going to be a great king. I think Prince Andrew will be banished to the Tower once HM the Queen passes away. 😉
RozitaVideo oh please, dear old Lizzie will outlive all of them 😂
@@RaymondHng exactly! The writer(s) should just have stuck to the facts.
She’s not wrong, nobody cares what Charles has to say
FACTS
He might as well scream ‘I want attention!’ Pfft
Actually Charles has achieved quite a great deal, and it means a lot to a lot of people. As opposed to populist Queen, who did nothing but polarise.
@@cill521 do name one
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The moment she said "No one wants to hear it" i remembered Colin firths portrayal of her father in the film the Kings speech, the bit in the church with Lionel as they argue about why anyone should listen to him and he yells "Because i have a voice!" .
Not because he was a king but because he was a person .
I hope the Queen never was this blunt to Charles because it only means her fathers fight to be heard didn't have the lasting effect it should have.
Thankfully I wasn't the only one who thought about that scene in The King's Speech! The contrast between "I have a voice!" and this scene just strikes me.
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Times had changed a lot between the 30s and the 70s. The King would have been closely consulted by government and allowed to have and express more of his personal opinions on policy, which Elizabeth and Charles would never get to do as society had put the monarchy in a very precarious place after the war. The King had a voice that he needed to use to communicate with his people in times of crisis, the Queen realises that no one wants to hear anything from her otherwise
@@tacosmexicanstyle7846 If The Queen or Charles will start expressing their voice.... They will be quickly got rid of. Modern people will say:"We didn't choose you, we don't want to hear your opinion!"
Her father was also a rather different parent. With his daughters he was always kind and warm, at least in the show. Elizabeth with Charles is just ice. Besides that, she should have taught him before making him go to Wales, not after.
Anyway, this conversation reminds me Tywin and Tyrion's conversation after the battle at Blackwater Bay.
@@Thekellin1 it is not about having an opinion. The dutch royals don't express their opinions, either. But they do communicate with empathy and warmth, making people feel heard and encouraging people to take the time to listen to eachother and take eachothers' feelings into consideration.
The way he said "mummy" was so quiet, so scared even though the words after that were so clear... i know nothing about this show but wow!
“Cause a I have a beating heart”
This is the *first* time I sympathize with Charles, and even feel sorry for him.
3:05 - absolutely amazing! Josh O'Connor's portrayal of Prince Charles was wonderful. I fear he won't be as recognized as the leads Olivia and Toby during award season but he should be. He was the standout of S3 to me.
Dharane Shanmuganathan I was thinking that myself. And Peter Morgan’s writing... amazing, absolutely amazing
Aannd for season 4. Amazing!
When she says no one wants to hear it, she isn't just talking about his voice. She's talking about all of them.
People look at her and see her as the system, when she too is in the same position as Charles.
Then why have monarchs at all? The whole idea is archaic and nonsensical. No human being is better than another, especially due to chance or luck of birth. We should vote for our leaders, not deem them from lineage.
@@thomast8539 exactly
Even in this short scene, these two brilliant actors pulled me in and tore me up. Writing. Direction. Editing. Production Design. Acting. All top notch.
This acting, honestly, I felt like it could've been an actual conversation that Their Majesties might have had in real life.
I've never exactly been a fan of the monarchy in this country, but I feel as though this scenario could go a long way to explaining why so many of its members are the way they are. Imagine being told nobody wants to hear what you have to say, especially by your own mother.
...Her Majesty and His Royal Highness might have had in real life.
... and especially if 'what you had to say' was actually a huge success and very well recieved, which means your own mother who should thank you for that strike of a genius is the one being led by irrational emotions only.
One can read the actual text of the speech at www.princeofwales.gov.uk/speech/speech-hrh-prince-wales-replying-loyal-address-sir-ben-bowen-thomas-president-university It does not match the fictionalized version above. The actual speech can be viewed at ua-cam.com/video/D7zaLuA_DGI/v-deo.html
The Firm often states positions through actions rather than word. Although Buckingham Palace put out at statement presumably in support of Andrew (e.g. never met Ms. Roberts) their actions have been anything but supportive: stripped of major roles and responsibilities. The Firm is definitely stating an opinion on Andrew and the idea that he resigned of his own volition is pure poppycock. The Monarchy speaks and take positions on matters through what it does and not what it says. Actions always speak louder than words.
Charles made a mistake in that he changed a prepared speech from the prime minister office and altered it to a message that wasn't in keeping with his office. The monarchy is for the people and can't publicly work against the elected representative of the people.
She lacked so much warmth this time around, especially to her kids
In the series. There are lovely pictures of the queen with the kids.
@@starlinguk They are just pictures.
She was preparing him in the same way she was prepared by her mother and grandmother. It's cold but in her way, she's trying to protect him. If you show too much character, if you let them in, they'll never stop. It's foreshadowing the Diana saga.
I read a theory somewhere that in reality, QEII's favorite is Andrew, because Charles and Anne are the kids she had for duty, and then Andrew and Edward were born when she was more settled as Queen. So maybe that's the direction the show will take, and if it goes forward to the present day we're going to see the ramifications of that decision lol, I can't wait, it's going to be messy.
@@sarasr18 Charles and Anne were born when she was still a princess, a young bride living her life outside the palace. The happiest days of her life, probably. The problem is those days were soon over when she became queen all of a sudden. She couldn't spent much time with them, hence the weird relationship with them, especially with Charles.
Olivia Colman is brilliant. She conveys so much with just her seemingly frozen facial expressions when she is not speaking, but they can convey so much. I will miss her, as I missed Claire Foy, but I am looking forward to Imelda Staunton who I am sure will rise to the task. I can’t wait until season 5 comes along.
Imelda Staunton is brilliant as was Claire foy and Olivia Coleman.
My mother said that same thing to all four of us at one time or another. And she wondered why I never confided in her about anything.
It's hard being a mother sometimes. (also a child)
This was Charles cry for attention or help & he has been shut down. I felt bad for him because he didn’t ask for it, he wanted to do other things but he‘s the heir to the throne.
Charles, the royal homely pussy and still is!
Poor spoiled rich boy can't express whatever he wants to us pleebs lmao
@John Matrix He could, but if you've been raised to believe that you have a duty to someone, it's not that easy. It's why even in ordinary families, people get "trapped" into giving up their own lives in service to their families of origin. The guilt of wanting your own life is overwhelming. Not to mention, he would have never been free; not really. Do Harry and Meghan seem free to you? Paparazzi still hounds them and their every move is watched, reported, and criticized. It looks and sounds exhausting.
If this scene is based around an actual conversation that the Queen had with Charles, then it explains so much of why he did nothing in his marriage with Diana. He was simply following what his mother was telling him was the way to do things. Also keep in mind, the words of Queen Mary are the words of a different century. The Queen was so trapped by the traditions of the past and their way of doing things that she forgot to be a mother to the child who needed it more than any of her children.
That’s why I love Diana, because she was determined to ensure that her children, especially the boy who will one day be King, would still remember to be a man of principle, love, and above all else, HUMANITY!!
Mark my words, many “traditions” and ways of the royal family will die the day the Queen dies...
As much as I love Olivia Colman and think of her as one of the greatest, I can't help but hold Claire Foy's portrayal of the Queen in higher regard. Of course Colman is incredible too, but there's something about the body language and the restraint that Foy brought to her performance. She was fragile yet glorious.
I couldn't agree more!!
I agree too, well said!
Clair Foy was superior as Queen. I was angry to see she and other principals were recast! She deserved awards not Colman.
I think Olivia is great, my chief complaint is that she looks nothing like the Queen. Besides the wig, the face and features are all wrong, not to mention Olivia's brown eyes. I love her acting, tho...I just wish they could have cast a more 'passable' actress, given that E II is one of the most recognized faces in the world.
I totally disagree with you. Olivia's casting in the role and her portrayal are superb: contained, nuanced and the sense of restrained emotion is masterful.
It reminds me of that scene from season 2 where Charles is in the cockpit with his father and he's panicking and Phillip just loses it. Both are trying to do their best to raise their son but realuse they just can't get a 'grip' on him. He's emotional, sensitive but willful and headstrong. The kind of kid who would rather starve to death than be fitted into a mold. And then he did the same thing to Diana who was even more sensitive.
He wouldn't rather starve to death than be fitted in a mold, that would imply he would be willing to sacrifice something and he clearly isn't. Charles has always plainly wanted to be King, but he doesn't want to do the WORK and difficulty of being a King. In this scene, and in real life we see it in his personal life with Diana and Camilla, his arrogance and self-absorption is on full display. Elizabeth KNOWS that a sacrifice is required and her son is not willing to make it.
This has to be the dumbest thing i've ever heard. I hope you never become a parent until you understand what that word actually means.
One of the most powerful scenes of the series to date,and I can actually imagine The Late Queen of blessed memory saying this to The King.
I always find it curious how people seem to only understand the hardship of the crown through one person. Everyone can agree that Diana was a victim, but forget that Charles was too a victim of the crown, as is his mother. All these people have no say in how to live their lives and not allowed to complain either.
Yes!!
I think the reason people are able to sympathize with Diana more is because she didn't buy into the whole "the Crown above all" nonsense and didn't inflict any of that suffering onto anyone. Elizabeth was a victim of the crown, and she in turn made Charles suffer. Charles did the same to Diana.
oh boohoo being born into wealth and royalty must be so tough
@@edithputhy4948 yeah it is really tough. Thats what makes it such a joke that we romantize their lives so much, they live awful unhappy lives surrounded by fluff and gold and tea cakes all while being miserable and yet still believing they deserve all that stuff and need it. Its all a big joke.
Counter point: Charles didn't have to treat Diana that way. He said it himself, he shouldn't be the only one to cheat. Instead of changing the pattern he made it more visable.
She's wrong. The Welsh wanted to hear his voice. They greatly appreciated it.
Maybe at the time but too much of it and they will eventually hate him. Even now, he’s a supporter of climate change and he’s getting backlash for it.
Bb 8 you say climate change as if it is something odd
And what actually changed because of "his voice"?
@@Mb-eo6bg "He's a supporter of climate change" sounds like he's rooting for it lmaoo
@@Mb-eo6bg I don't think the Welsh hates him for climate change lol.
“No one wants to hear it” what I’ll say to my relatives next thanksgiving dinner 😂
Lovely 🥰
damn this actor is more Charles than the actual Charles. he never fails to impress in any project I've seen him in.
"No one wants to hear it. No one." - No one is interested in what you think, how you feel, or who you are. No one wants to recognize you. No one sees you. How's that for being obliterated. 😨
It's not just for the royals but true for common public like us.. No one cares actually..
Mysticat she learned that too, mustn’t be easy that the only
Way to protect everything you know is to become cold.
@@rudranilbiswas1160 A few people do. You just have to find them.
I find this particular video interesting because of how many people sympathize with Charles. This man was born into a royal family. Because of that, he is rich, has traveled the world, was given an excellent education, and will always have a job. But it also comes with responsibilities, restrictions that non royals do not have. Some of them are incredibly harsh, but it seems like that's balanced with all the good things that come with being royal. But what people don't seem to realize is that becoming the next king is a CHOICE that Charles has. He can bow out (his uncle did, so did his son). He can remain in the royal family but have his sister Anne be the next queen. He could have completely walked away from it all and lived a quiet life with Camilla. But he didn't do that, he wanted to be king. He wanted to be the center of every thing. He wanted to be important and special. He just didn't want to have to follow the same rules his mom had to follow. He wanted it easy and simple. And when he couldn't get what he wanted, he threw tantrums. In public. Like a child. My guess is that if this conversation did actually happen between them, it wasn't the first time. Or second. Knowing how whiny Charles is, the reason these harsh words were uttered was because the Queen was utterly exhausted with him. He wasn't getting what she was trying to teach him. And him thinking that he should be congratulated when he had done something wrong in public probably pushed her beyond her breaking point. I bet he got the lesson after this conversation though. Probably moped about it for some time to Camilla though, who probably patted his head and gave him hot cocoa, scones, and a gold star for being such a good boy with such a bad mummy.
Yup. It amazes me that people don't see the utter arrogance and self-absorption here. Teenage Charles thinks his mother doesn't have a beating heart because she doesn't throw tantrums. You can see the bewildered hurt in her face very subtly. She realizes what a child he is for assuming something like that.
True, but bowing out from the royal family because of love is pretty much abandoning his duties and family. It's a big thing to give up for love and one woman. Prince Andrew would have been king if King Charles gave up the throne before he married Princess Diana, not Princess Anne as they still had male primogeniture.
@@Tasha9315 can you even imagine Andrew as King? The catastrophe
@@kr15711 lol yeah! In a way Prince Charles did UK a favor.
@@unanimus7676 But why should he?
The ice in Olivia's voice and nuance in her acting. I love her so much!
Charles: Do I not have a voice?
Queen: "Rather too much of a voice for my liking" 😂
The Queen's Black mom moment
LMAO every mother ever to her children as they get older. Except she actually said it out loud to his face like a badass lol.
Nope. A black mom would just give you...."THE LOOK"...followed by a side-eye and a "mmmm-hm, I did'nt think so" and turn around.
yay, narcissistic parents
@@GullibleTarget That Clair Huxtable look!
@@GullibleTarget lol it's like I can hear your comment 🤣🤣🤣🤣
She’s right, though. She knows the truth and that is that the monarchy survives precisely because it isn’t political, and that’s all the value in it.
Charles: "Because I have a beating heart"
*It's heartbreaking. We sometimes forget that Elizabeth isn't just the Queen to Prince Charles, but also his mother and to hear her say those words to her own son is heartbreaking. *
This explains events in 2019 so much, this episode pulls me into their past to get the answers.
It's pretty clear that Charles resented Diana for expressing herself in a way that he never had the freedom to.
He had already been so browbeaten by his own family that, by the time he married Diana, he had already been transformed into a man who both openly resented but was none-the-less beholden to family duty.
The sad thing is that impartiality haunted her during Aberfan when people needed her and she drug her feet. To not show emotion or feel is to lose trust. I thought that was evident in all the times when people wanted a real voice and not a figure head. When you become disconnected and don’t speak up for what is right you become a part of the problem. It’s a comfortable place to be but a dangerous one for those at the bottom that are affected the most.
Well stated!
the most eviscerating "no one" ever uttered. She outdoes even herself in the next season
I can watch this show over and over and never tire of it.👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Is it only me that loves seeing the scenes in movies or shows that were tiny clips in the trailer? ...almost like you’re experiencing how excited you were to see it when you watched the trailer all over again
Over-compartmentalism for so many years has a lot of unintended bad side effects. This coldness and indifference is one of them.
Charles repeats what she said to Queen Marie. Brilliant.
Whenever duck shoot starts playing you know stuff just got real.
I honestly feel like there’s a lot of Mothers and Sons who have had this exact same type of fight. I know I have
Josh O'Connor must have high empathy levels, because I feel I was really watching Charles, but a Charles only seen and known by a few people. He painted such an intimate portrait of him, I think, and this is a big part of why this show is sooo good, so well done. I just cannot stop watching Josh and Olivia Coleman together, they are soo god. And Olivia Colman seems to have two entities inside her: her usual everyday self and her Talent, that just has this incredible life of its own. The top performances of any film about the royal family ever done, hands down. Second to them I would place Helen Mirren, third Alex Jennings (first as the Duke of Windsor, second as Charles) and fourth Naomi Watts, who at times seemed to actually be Diana.
This was one of the most powerful scene in the entire series
He isn’t only her son, but also a subject of the Queen.
The actress playing the Queen is doing a really good job. I haven't watched the crown but my jaw dropped when I heard her speak. The way she lets her voice flow is pretty much identical to the Queen's, it's incredible.
Olivia Colman deserves another Oscar for playing this part!!
K LMG it would be an Emmy, but you are correct.
How Olivia Coleman managed to sound like Claire Foy is awesome and scary at the same time. Excellent choice. ALSO, Josh just nailed this. Beautifully written.
I think the actor does Charles’ accent so well!
This reminds me a lot to Tyrion and Tywin after Blackwater (and funnily enough Charles Dance is playing Lord Mountbatten)
Would be funny if Peter Dinklage is cast as the IRA guy that asassinated him
@@ZakJordan98 uuuuuuuuuuuuuh XD
@@ZakJordan98 lol
While she may have seemed harsh her words were true, no one wants to hear it, they are Royalty which they are expected to behave in a certain way, its always been the Crown which is number one priority , the Queen had dreams of a different life however she accepted her duty and had no choice to put its needs before anything else including her children, no one could ever ever understand the heavy burden of being Queen and how lonely and cruel it actually is , Queen Elizabeth has seen so many prime ministers come and go, so many people too and yet she is still here, she dedicated her life and as a woman of power in them times years back it was no cakewalk. Lol I could ramble more but I will shut up now. 😆
this comment though!! 👏👏👏👏👏
Then it should end. They're human beings. This isn't natural. That's why this scene is important.
Auntkekebaby Believe me they don’t want it to end. They like being luxurious and Fancy but when it comes to their actual jobs some of them don’t want it. You need to choose one and most of them choose sticking with family and working as a member of Royal Family
@@Auntkekebaby They can be themselves in their own homes. Just not when doing public duty. But they're not elected officials so it would be incredibly unwise to be involved in politics. The backlash would be tremendous.
So sad that he did realize that her speech meant she, too, wants to give an opinion and wants to use her voice sometimes, but never does because it conflicts with the crown. He didn't understand that she was in thr very same position as him. Instead he insults her, saying she has no heart and no character. I guess that's way she was so cold to him in the end.
Yes. I don't see queen mother as being cold hearted here. She was educating him but he failed to recognize that. If only he showed an ounce of sympathy and caring for what she had suffered, she would probably be more lenient towards him.
When he said he had a beating heart, it really made me feel sorry for him, cause he's right, the Queen was always one to follow protocol and do whats expected of her while not disappointing anyone, and not everyone can do that, Charles felt trapped and shouldn't be looked at as a fool, because he wasn't, he was forced into many things, including his marriage.
But that didn't give him the right to treat Diana the way he had.
He didn't have the strength to overcome the system of abuse of being royal, not like his grandfather, who refused to allow how his own parents treated him have any sway over how he treated his wife and daughters. Even when he was forced to become King that didn't stop him either.
Elizabeth didn't just lose her father, Charles lost his grandfather, someone they both needed to show them the way.