Which Rolex Submariner to BUY? - 5513, 14060, 14060m, 114060
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The Rolex Submariner, or more commonly known as the No Date Submariner, is one of the most iconic watches ever. However, they have changed massively over the past few decades making it quite hard to decide which one to buy.
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Rolex Submariner 5513
Rolex Submariner 14060
Rolex Submariner 14060m
Rolex Submariner 114060
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Bark and Jack well done 👍🏼 Adrian, love this when you do vertical reviews of watches. I know Hodinkee do reference points but your own unique opinion is also great to hear. So don’t second guess yourself! If you want to do your own review then do it!
Hey, nice Video.. Omega seamaster is also interessting, has a great history and is much affordable.
Adrian what is the story with that sick clown, John McAnus? Did you get his channel binned. If so, well done.
Date or no date?
Let me point out some mistakes on this video. The MK1 gen of the 14060M (2 liners) were NOT chronometer certified by COSC, possibly due to costs associated with it, it was produced for 8 years from 1999 to 2007. The MK2 (4 liner) was the first no date Sub ever to become COSC certified, hence the extra 2 lines of text stating so, this happened in 2007, and this MK2 was produced until 2012, not 2009, it had a 5 year lifespan. The 114060 was introduced at Basel 2012, not 2009 and was discontinued in late 2020 after 8 years.
Correct...!
I believe the first submariner to be COSC certified was the 5512 four liner.
@@Chanelsvibe Correct!
@@Chanelsvibe I stand corrected my good Sir!! Thank you!!
Totally agree!
What an honor to be mentioned on your channel! Thank you and happy we could help 🙏
Superb footage Kai. Thanks so much. 👍🏻
Watch family😊
I am a lady watch lover in Virginia and am so happy to have found Jenni! A woman who knows watches and can provide great content for anyone who loves watches especially us women in the hobby!! Tell her thanks for all of her hard work!
@@BarkandJack Nice videos mate, I just picked mine up ua-cam.com/video/V3nvwsl2PkI/v-deo.html
2-line 14060M is the pinnicle for me. Perfect case shape, clean dial, and modern enough to be used every day.
I own one. Best sub ever, IMHO
@@alpa4736 I agree, perfectly balanced, astehtically pleasing shape, perfection.
it would be great if the thicknesses of watches were mentioned and not only the diameter, as it makes a big difference for fit and wear. Great videos, thanks Adrian.
Another measurement to consider along with watch thickness is the lug to lug. To me this is most important as it can determine what will fit a wrist when you know your wrist breadth as you look down it - as if doing a wrist shot. Since my wrist breadth is 52mm, I focus on watches with lug to lug measuring 48mm or less.
I think the difference is around 1mm, 11.8mm 14060 vs 12.5 for the 114060 or something like that
@@8rooks what about the 5513 plz ?
2nd...this is the Video I didn't know I was waiting for, but now having seen it, I realize I've always been hungry for the information & the context of it.
So much good info I know this is one of your videos I'll re-watch multiple times. What a gift. Thank you, Adrian!
THE bond watch was the 6538. Also not all 14060 were tritium. In 1998 they were Swiss branded with Luminova and in 1999 and 2000 they were branded Swiss Made and had Superluminova. The M really came to the market in late 2000 and had the exact same dial as its predecessor two years before. And an aluminium insert is closer to 100 bucks than to 20 these days :)
The "Swiss" only branded were 1998-1999, "U" and almost all "A" serial #. Luminova.
The best sub is the one you can get your hands on. Got a 114060 for a few months now, and loving it!
Wear in good health
I own the ceramic.. it’s a tank.... ideally I’d love to have a two liner 14060m to keep it company!
🙏🏻 Great summary ,thank you for you time in making this video.
I have a 1406m four liner and like you spent lots of time deciding on which watch to buy it’s a truly classic watch that I love wearing. And will one day hand down to my son..
Finally! The Sub video!
As a proud owner of a 114060 since over a year, I still find myself staring at it with sparkles in my eyes every time I wear it, which is every single day. I adore this watch more than anything else I’ve ever owned!
greycats99 owned mine since January and feel exactly the same. Doubt I’ll ever need another watch
If you get an 114060, get ready to sell the collection off! It’s the best one watch collection there is!
I’m growing bored with mine 🙁 have been on a seiko kick recently.
Great, concise history of the Sub. Thanks! Completely agree that you need a watch to wear and enjoy even if it might get slightly beaten up. My compromise is I have the 114060 which I use for best but a Ginault Ocean Rover 2 with aluminium bezel (rather than the new ceramic version they do) plus domed vintage look sapphire crystal as my everyday watch. The Ocean Rover 2 build quality is (I’d say) similar to the Rolex and you get the vintage look but won’t break the bank if you bash it while doing DIY!
I got my 14060m four liner (2010) just a week ago. I'm loving it so far. Initially, I was a bit taken aback by the seemingly flimsy stamped clasp. But once sized properly and on the wrist, it wasn't a concern. It also feels very small. I also bought a brand new Omega Seamaster Professional 300m just two weeks earlier and it's a beast of a watch. The 42mm diameter suits me well.
I decided on the 14060m, classic Sub thanks to your video. I would love the modern clasp on the classic case.
Nice informative video. As someone else said the best one is the one on your wrist, in my case the '69 5513 I've had from new. It's seen parties,
the underside of 8 feet of Arctic ice and everything in between. I much prefer its svelt case to the most recent iteration. I'll never have another Rolex as I can't justify the cost of a new one.
So informative...Thanks Mate....personally always wanted a 14060 (pre 99'), the 4 line variant was just like any other sub, that classic vintage look for me.
I prefer the ceramic bezel, maxi case and bracelet on the 114060. Great review and thank you for sharing your experience
Any toolwatch Rolex Submariner needs lug holes... so the 14060M is the last of the classic Rolex Submariner diving watches...
8:52 4 line dial version 3130 ran from 2007 to 2012
Ph MWU why though? Never understood the whole lug hole necessity thing. Of course, I also think that a watch which comes on a bracelet belongs on that bracelet.
If a watch comes on a shit or average bracelet maybe but the new sub has possibly the best bracelet and clasp on the market... why would you want to take it on and off? It’s not exactly hard to take the bracelet off without drilled lugs anyway but I don’t get why...
Only two words: THE BEST! Surely the best ever video about Submariner that I have ever seen. Very objective but with passion. Loved the map resuming the models! Congrats!
Last month I bought a 1973 5512 , I dont really wear it, but just love to look at it, try it on and put it back in the safe :)
I have a 5513 as well and have basically the same thoughts as to its durability. And I've thought about getting an M or 114260 to update the glass and luminous. But I like the rattle of the bracelet and the look of the watch so much more than the 114. I'd consider an M though, like yours - the 2 line. One difference of opinion: I love the 2-way bezel - so much easier to set, and mine doesn't spin around without a deliberate move. Thanks
Just got an unpolished 2-liner 14060M and I absolutely love it! The video definitely helped!! Thanks!!
Personally, I think a pre-ceramic model with the newest bracelet would be a great combination, considering that the maxi case just looks too bloated in its proportions.
Nice video Adrian, I agree with you on the 14060m modern features housed in the elegant case with the slim shoulders which seem to suit the watch better than the maxi case 👍
I have the two line 14060M and it really is the perfect Submariner in my opinion.
I was offered a 114060 a couple of years ago at retail price and I couldn't refuse it.
You're absolutely right, they are like two totally different watches character wise, and on the wrist.
If I really had to part with one of them it would undoubtedly be the 114060. It's beautifully engineered but I find it a bit to square, boxy and soulless.
If Rolex made a modern Ceramic Submariner in the 40mm Yacht Master case it would be sublime!
I have the 14060M with 2 lines of text too and would say it's the best of the bunch. I agree the 114060 is too boxy, and lacks that astehtically pleasing look of the earlier models.
Love the pre-ceramic, 5 digit Subs. The lugs are more tapered and it rest easy on the wrist. Anyway, I have been wearing my 16610 around the house since I have been staying at home for the past couple of weeks lol
Amazing video Adrian🙏 a great successor to your video about the Explorer line. IMO, these comparison-videos are your sweetspot.
To be able to start an introduction about watches whilst moving your hands at the same time is nothing unusual, but not to spill any coffee while doing it is a real gift! An enjoyable review, thank you.
You nailed it again, Adrian. Good scope also, not trying to step on Hodinkee's toes. What I feel all the Subs you mention lack to make them perfect from my point of view is the the 360 degree indices on the bezel. One of the reasons I like the modern bigger sibling 116600 Seadweller or a true Mil-Sub. Thanks for the great work.
Thank you!! The video I needed....it’s on my list but confused 🤷🏻♂️, I need to saved which one!!!!
I have the 116610LN and I truly love it. Understated and looks great in business or leisure wear. Instantly recognisable and a true classic.
Another excellent video. I especially like your comments about wearing your Rolex. For a while, I obsessed about mine, concerned about any minute imperfections that I might create by wearing it. Then I realized that the only way to keep it pristine was to never actually wear and enjoy it.....and that would be a real shame. So, I compromise by wearing it often, but try to remember to set it aside if I start an activity that has a likelihood of causing it excessive wear and tear. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.......cheers!
Thanks to this video I now own a two line 14060M. Love the symmetry, lack of unneccessary info on the dial, no redundant "ROLEX" markings around the rehaut, and graceful contour.
Congrats John, it's a brilliant watch.
Just acquired a 124060, it is iconic with proper vintage feel but a forward looking wear, a perfect blend and sublime to hold.
Excellent video. Enjoyed that one. You're a public service keeping us entertained during these unfortunate times. Give Jody a bell, feels like he's not dragging his end of the log!
Great overview. Ideal Submariner (best, for me) would be the 114060 face, hands (like the proportions) and ceramic bezel in the previous 14060m case (not a fan of the maxi) but with the bracelet upgrade. I'd also keep the SuperLuminova.
Cool video, as ever Adrian. I’ve got a 14060 and a current sub date ceramic. As the sub date ceramic was my first Rolex I have a real soft spot for it. However, you just can’t beat the purity of the 14060.
I’ve also got a 981 Porsche Cayman which is a lovely , balanced , exhilarating and enjoyable car but will always yearn for an air cooled 911.
Keep up the great work mate.
May you and your family stay safe.
Great video Adrian. Very timely. I have recently been weighing up the idea that a 14060m needed to enter my collection as my everyday watch...
Great video. I agree and like the pre-maxi case much better. That being said I am jealous of the new bracelet. Also I do like the Maxi dial and hands. A big reason I picked up a Kermit.
14060M rise up! Loved the production, and glad you went over submariners I personally love them.Will you possible do a collection overview this year?
I remember almost buying a 2 line sub in 2007 and was surprised how flimsy the bracelet was when you considered the price. The current model matches the price asked at retail and the hype.
the old bracelet is so comfortable for long term wear though
omg, this video is so great. Good work. I can see how much work you put into this. Thank you, Adrian. good research. If there's one Sub video you need to watch before purchasing, this is it!
I'm just happy enough to land an 114060! Can't beat that bracelet, and I love how in certain light... the bezel looks "ghost" OH!! The sound of that bezel click is sublime! Great video Adrian.
Hi Adrian the perfect sub for me is the 14060m with the Rolex in the rehaut or the two liner but really too bad doesn’t come with a SEL bracelet.
Adrian, I have been a regular viewer for the last six months, and found them all professionally presented and very interesting, but this one took your standard up to another level. I couldn't analyse what was different, but my attention didn't waver at any time. I just enjoyed listening. Phil.
Excellent comparative review video.
My choice is clear. The modern submariner is all one needs from a watch for daily use. It looks good, runs well, and is rugged and beautiful. What more could you ask for? Well, wait, date and cyclops are always wellcome.
I like the style of the vintage Subs but to me a dive watch needs to be tough and reliable, so the 114060 is the best for me. I also hate flimsy bracelets and clasps, and since a Sub belongs on a bracelet, that's another reason to go for the current version.
I've really hoping the new version slims the case lugs down and offers a satin finish ceramic bezel with an updated movement but the same excellent bracelet. I never swapped out my previous generation Submariner as I found the Maxi Case to look ungainly with the larger lug to bracelet interface looking like they were pared from two different watch models.
Love this video about as much as I love my 14060m 2 Line ! Great info and fun to rewatch !
I used the latest submariner for a time. But I changed it back to my 1680. I realy love this watch. By the way, watchvice is a great channel.
I would appreciate very much a video about the very ealy GMT Master.
Best regards from Hamburg, Germany
The answer to your title question is: “yes”
I have every Sub model but more of a Patek kinda guy.
Cleg Smegson rich kid?
@@Mitch-dr7un CEO of my own business actually. Seiko kid?
Cleg Smegson Wow a 6200,6204,6205,5514,5510,6538,5517,5512,6536,5508,5513,1680 etc etc hats off to you sir I’m well impressed
@@clegsmegson2627 I know, right? Seikos, gross! Poor people are so disgusting. They can't understand why you would watch a video about watches you supposedly already own by a channel that explicitly denounces watch snobbery. Pathetic. But, I get you man. As soon as these dweebs run their own company and find their worth in material possessions, they'll understand too.
Great Video - drilled lugs would have been an interesting topic. I see your newer 14060m must be quite late to have engraved rehaut but it still has drilled lugs???
I have a date version with un-drilled lugs - did they continue with the drilled lugs on the no date due to it being more likely to be used by professional divers?
Black Bay 58, toughness of a 114060 and the feel of a 5513
Very good point, my sentiments exactly, that's why I bought one & it's been a fantastic.
BB58 is more like a 6536 as opposed to 5513
The BB58 is very close to my 5508. I tried it while having my 5508 on my wrist. Almost a modern clone
its a great watch
Yeah, the 6536 and 5508 are just about the size of the bb58, I have them all. I’ll probs. Do a comparison on UA-cam soon. I’ll raven compare them to earlier 36mm models, and the first 5512 versions. The bb58, 6536, and 5508 are the perfect proportions, and all beautiful.
a great indepth video of a truely amazing watch that has been the legend it is for 70 years ..been lucky to get my grail ..a 124060 , totally against the ad worries you hear about .its mine for life
Thanks Adrian. Knowledge enhanced.
Bought my SubC Date 116610LN 3 years ago. I destroy watches, but this one has held up well, surviving a fall onto brick, dinging on metal as I do my daily activities: I don’t have to baby it. The band is strong and durable. For me, this watch is perfect. The fact that it’s worth more than I paid is icing on the cake.
I own the 14060M too (2 line version). I had no idea it was COSC certified. I thought that only applied to the 4 liner. Thanks for filling me in...!
I have a 2002 14060M (2 line version). I have heard that the 2 line, pre 2007, version was COSC certified and I have heard that it was not certified. I wish knew for sure which was right. Very important for me to know.
Great breakdown of the different watches.
Thanks for the video Adrian ! Great detailed work as always !
One of the first watch videos I ever enjoyed and learned from was Adrian's, about the Explorer. Similar to this one. Stay safe, Adrian and the entire Watch Fam!
LibrarianRobert Remember it. He was on a roof and it was cold. Funny how you remember extraneous things like that.
Cool review
Thanks Adrian
Great video. This helps with understanding the sub, thanks.
Yes it has changed over time but not as much as you'd think. I ended up with a 1991 14060 but maybe a 5513 some day. I'm more into vintage.
Adrian this was a great video, one of your best. Your very best was when you fell in the river in Scotland. For me 114060 wins hands down. Best looking rolex ever!!! I still love mine and never want to replace it.
Thanks so much, this is incredibly informative. Are you able to put a new bracelet on the older Subs? eg if you purchase a 14060m from a dealer/Chrono24 (without a bracelet), could you purchase the new version and would it fit?
Nice vid, thanks mate. Personally I’d wait for the supposed new one with a 72hr power reserve?
Neo-Vintage Rolex with sapphire crystal and tritium lume is by far my favorite generation of Rolex! Great video bruv!
Great presentation Adrian.
Great video Adrian really enjoyed it.
One small point, the Sub that features in Dr no was a ref 6538, not the 5513
The 6538 has no crown guards.
The ceramic 114060 was easily my choice. However I would not pay a premium for one. It can be had from an AD at retail with a little patience.
Hi Adrian I got the 16613 and match fantastic with your blue nato strap...i consider as you do the new Subs are an spectacular piece of micro-engineer...too perfect for my taste, for my point of view the ceramic Rolexes Stop been a Rolex no more...Thank you.
these were best tool watches of their time when they are first introduced. now lets take a spin and get 114060 to 50s people will love it. reason is its bezel will never scratch the dial will never fade it will always look good.
Great info on the references. Thanks, Adrian!
So helpful , I’m not a huge fan of the new version as it does look to square. Now it’s a journey to find a 14060m
Love my 116610LN, date and supercase
I want to start my own company that helps people find their watch style based on their fashion needs and tastes. I love what @JenniElle said about watch companies marketing men's watches and women's watches differently and why women seem to sometimes be less interested in the watch industry because of that. Definitely something we need to change.
Would love to see a video on what type of Rolex suits you best based on various Rolex styles.
Cheers!
Had a 16610 for a few years sold it as my speedmaster was getting more wrist time traded that with cash for my son's bluesy for his birthday then went two years without a decent watch then beginning of this month was lucky enough or in the right place at the right time depending how you look at it to pick up a current model stainless steel submariner from a central London AD the latest submariner is a more substantial looking watch in my opinion.
great video, but i do like and enjoy my ceramic sub 114060, i like the shinny bezel and solid bracelet which i paid for
Very cool and informative video as always, thank you for that Adrian! I have question though: Does the lume on the 14060 still glow today or is it "worn out" by now?
It’s unlikely for a 14060 lume to glow. My Explorer is from 1998 and the lume is dead. It glows for about 2-3 seconds when charged with a UV light. It’s actually really annoying when at night.
Thanks for this review! Definitely helped me narrow down the best option for me. What would be an equivalent to the 14060M but with a date?
Meir Weiss post 2000 16610, superluminova dial, 3135 movement, classic case, old bracelet. Go pre 2003 if you want drilled lugs. SELs post about 2001
Excellent video! I’ve been wanting to see a comparison like this of the no date Submariner.
I absolutely love the 6-digit refs. I think the overall presence to diameter ratio is just great. BUT... I need a date.
If I could afford one of these i'd want that the aluminum bezel model with the engraved rehaut. I love Kai's channel. I just have UA-cam auto translate the subtitles to English. he does brilliant videography guys. Great video Adran!
Thank you !
Hi Adrian. Excellent video. Can you do a similar video for Pepsi gmt master variations. I can give you one of them.... no I can’t we are locked down🤔 after this crap clears up I can lend you vintage one.
Legendary though they are, they don’t seem to wear that well. I have a 1984 DW5200 hero G shock, I bought in October of the same year. The bezel dissolved, but the lcd and stainless steel body and mineral crystal are immaculate, 2 gulf wars and loads of swimming later, only 3 (lithium)battery changes in that time and it looks almost new! A remarkable piece, even if it is a digital watch. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to have pulled the trigger on the £880 Submariner from ‘Watches of Switzerland’ that was on offer in 1985.......doh! Good video Adrian.
Fantastic video, thank you Adrian. Personally I love the lug holes of older subs - so much easier to change straps 😊👍
Lug holes! I should have mentioned the bloody lug holes. You’re right, I love them too.
@@BarkandJack A missed B&J advertising opportunity 😂
Hi, great video. You mentioned the 14600m has 2 version, 2 line and 4 line. What do you mean by that? Thanks. I m intending to get a 5 digit reference no cyclop so this video is very informative for me. Thanks
The fact that the coronet on the crown doesn't line up when screwed down is a big flaw to me. I've got a ceramic Longines Hydroconquest that always lines up exactly when screwed in and its a $1600 watch...
I always wanted to go inside a Rolex store.
Although I am not buying this watch until 2024, should I still visit a store sooner? What should I expect inside? Is watch fitting allowed? How do you act inside? Do you say that you’re not buying right away?
Just got a 14060m four liner 2010. Buzzing
14060 was produced until 1999/00, while 14060m was produced from 2000/1 - 2009/10. They began using luminova around 1998/99 (swiss only dials) and super luminova came out around 2000, (swiss made dials). so, you have about a year gap when the 14060 could have come out of the factory on swiss made dial. my point being that even if your generalizations fit about 90% of 14060 cases, where swiss made dials are clearly service dials, there are certainly exceptions with some A serial and P serial 14060 productions coming out of the factory with swiss made dials.
Unfortunately with Rolex there are many exceptions. There’s very rarely a clean change in production. Movements, fonts, lume all change over time. I thought I’d just focus on the main changes.
5513 Submariner without the white gold indices, I just love it.
Hi Adrian. Another quality video and info. I've been thinking about a 14060 model and would like a 1991 year. Will the serial number tell me the year it was manufactured?
With these older watches can you snorkel with them if they have new seals fitted.
Keep up the great work. Mark
When you have a 7’5 inch wrist and had the 16600 the maxi case on the 114060 is a welcome relief. Fits sooo much better with a necessary glidelock. Lost me on that one jules
Get an SD43, much better for your wrist. Oe even JC with easy fix glide lock without removing the watch from the wrist.
Looking for perfection within imperfections? I think the latest iteration is possible perfection and glad Rolex is pushing forward. Don't like forward? Grab Tudor 58 Blackbay
great video, a lot to learn, two question, the accuracy changes by model or is the same? and other question, only the 114060 are antimagnetic with the parachrom hairspring?
I am not an expert, but as I know, 1- The accuracy is getting slightly better, each time the movement is upgraded. 2- I don’t think that the 114060 is even totally antimagnetic. Only it’s only the hairspring.
Hey Adrian! I have been trying out the 14060 (borrowed from a friend). This watch looks perfect and I fell in love with it since I first wore it. However, when I try to set the time in my friend’s 14060 it feels slightly different to what I feel when I set the time in my GMT. For the 14060, when I wind the crown up, the time goes backwards… This is the opposite in my GMT. Should my friend be worried?
I absolutely love my date sub. Great video 👏🏼👏🏼
Nice video, glad you skipped the refs that hodinkee already covered. New content is always better! And video is well done as always.
Btw, is there such a thing as a 14060 with maxi dial? Like with the 5513? Or only the small plots?
Nice video, I got a 116610LN Submariner in January, lucky to get one, but I do get your “clinical” comments alright. I’ve worn it twice but it hasn’t gelled with me yet I’m the same way my 18myear o,d Seamaster is (got it in 2002, make over in 2015).
I was actually trying to find Jenni's other channel. Thanks