In my opinion it would have made a lot more sense to spend the $1500 on an intercooler upgrade over the carbon Fiber intake. Modify the stalk box (as seen in many videos posted on UA-cam ), upgrade the silicone hose and add the inlet elbow for $200. It was definitely heat soaking . Not to mention adding an aftermarket exhaust which would increase top End Performance for the S3 . The S3 Unitronic stage 2 TCU and ECU should be much closer if not beaten the RS3.
Exactly. When it comes to the main bits, S3's are just VW Golfs in different skin. The S3 (and Golf R and even the GTI) is fantastic, and it's pretty quick with just bolt-ons, but there's no one on the planet who'd ever consider an S3 if that 5-pot upgrade were legitimately in their budget. And Audi knows the value of that engine, too, which is why they said no when VW came knocking asking to put it in the MK8 R. My only two gripes with the RS3 are that (1) we don't get the sportback in the states, and (2) we don't get a no-sunroof option in the states. Both of those issues can be remedied with a Golf R, but then of course you still lose the 12453.
@@jae9843 I agree, but at least there's the TTRS. It has no sunroof, and is a hatchback so that's something. That is if you like the styling and can swing the extra price.
@@ballathug8404 volvos like my 850turbo. Got a 2.3rn motor bigger injectors meth injection bigger turbski. May have to post some flyby 🤣 or run one of these audios 🤣
i was thinking of buying an s3 cuz the rs3’s are expensive but the rs3 stock is already faster than an s3 that has like 430 horsepower, that 5 cylinder kills, and the rs3 transmission is one of the best in the world, definitely buying the rs3 soon
On paper the S3 Stage 2 should be quicker than the RS3 stock as it gets a better 1/4 mile times. RS3 stock 1/4 mile is ~12.2s 400BHP S3 1/4 mile is ~11.6s (in mine at least so may depend on tune)
I have a unitronic stage 2 E85 FBO and it's a beast. I've done roll races and it beats almost all cars I've run. Putting out 620hp/560 torque at the crank (560hp/520 torque to the wheels)
Unitronic is a great tuner. Would love to see an IE or EQT E30 car run with the RS3. Those tuners are consistently over 1/2 second quicker in the quarter and 60ft times are more aggressive. Cool run though.
@@scottjohnson4885 also he didnt mention an intercooler so hes losing some top end power and probably more doing run after run. If that s3 had an intercooler i bet it would win more consistently.
Never saw an Audi DCT that wasn't lightening fast in manual mode. I think the better deal would be the Standard S3 with the $4K in mods. That was obviously mod money well spent.
The I5 has more thought put into the design with it being a performance based engine used in racing events, the 2.0L i4 is a commonly shared platform in the VAG group meaning the same engine is used in multiple cars from multiple brands which all have different power outputs , it also depends who’s driving and when they’re servicing their cars. Cars are only as reliable as their users meaning you look after it, it’ll look after you
Agreed, or at least if you're racing in comfort mode, it should be without brake boosting. Just all brake then all gas. In real life, if you're gonna take the time to brake-boost, you're probably gonna put your car in Sport mode too.
Agreed. My car is trying to avoid any aggressive anything in comfort mode. Auto in my car is way better. It will stay in comfort mode until you are obviously requesting more from it. It doesn't switch to sport, but it does alter the car because the input you are giving it is letting it know that this is not a normal request. Comfort doesn't care what you ask for and will do it's best to stop any aggressive downshifting or acceleration. Since a lot of competitors don't really offer such a mode, it's best to replace it with auto when it comes to comparisons.
I have an 18' s3 APR stage 1 R600 intake and Rogue downpipe. Here in SA with hotter climate I can feel the car losing quite a bit of power after 1 or 2 pulls. I know of a few 7.5R with exactly same setup with an vwr intercooler fitted contantly pushing 310kw and more than 550nm run after run. The R with intercooler fitted would definitely walk the rs3.
Nice runs, personally I don't really get all the different drive and transmission modes, if you're keen on racing and running the car flat out, shouldn't you always be in the sportiest settings?
I assume comfort mode is used to simulate real-world impromptu scenarios where you’re at a light or cruising already, and the other modes are used to show possible differences between modes.
@@mikenice1204 Yes probably to add more content is my guess. He also has a lot of dead air time during races where nothing really happens on screen. Good channel overall, just needs a bit of polish.
@@nighthawk0077 100% agree, he needs to get someone to help him out with what to say and editing of the final product and dont do 2 runs in 'comfort mode' , maybe 1 if any.
I said this in the chat but I'm sure it was lost. Going forward, please don't try to brake boost on VW/Audi cars in anything other than Sport/Dynamic mode. When you're in the correct mode, you have to jab the throttle really quickly, otherwise the ECU gets confused (stock and otherwise). In short, please stop doing brake boost in comfort/normal and you have to add throttle like you mean it. This isn't intuitive but that's how VW/Audi does it. The only times RS3 lost is when it didn't build boost properly. It's a quick car (11.8-12.2) typically depending on weather conditions.
I have a 2015 S3 and absolutely love it. 30k miles 1 owner 10k in but that's mainly a pretty APR exhaust and lowering springs. It is not a true Quattro, they are a haldex transmission. Love it but doesn't feel like a true Quattro
@@isflin9919 yeah it’s a B8 S5 Cab I’m stage 2 single pulley and still cant break into the 3’s 0-60. Will prob have to go dual pulley with upgraded cooling to do it. I know stage 1 S3’s can break into 3’s.
@@Magowin S3 has no top end if you are going ots. I'd suggest considering a 340i.less mods will make that far quicker and the interior on all the 3s are lacking from audi.
I really like the intro sound/ specs/360 view. I wish you bring that back that segment in your 2022/23 vids. The talk time before the race in that video is good by the way.👍
OMG, you've got to use LAUNCH MODE when racing. You hold the brake, stand on the throttle to get the revs and boost up, then release the brake when it's GO time.
Unitronic pulls 592hp with their E-85 tune RS3. If you think about it that is almost 50% power increase over stock (400 hp) with just a tune.. that is nuts!! if you divide 592 hp by 2.5 liters you get 236hp/liter with just a tune. Even the EA888 gen 3 pulls very nice power numbers but the RS3 shines too.
I'd like to see them going around a track to see how the tuned S3 does without the torque splitter against the RS3. So many videos of straight line racing, but i can't find any time trials around a track comparing tuned S3 v RS3 stock. I have an S3 8Y and planning to get it tuned. May try a couple of track days before and after tuning to compare and upload the video.
RS3 & S3 a little underrated on both, even though the 5 cylinder lost a couple, it did win much more, the S3 had more peak torque but under curve the RS3 was clearly making more power through the RPM range giving it an edge in low to mid rpm. Once again amazing comparison, amazing show.
@@vroomgc that would be interesting for sure, and the better traction of the Golf R will be interesting from a dig, even if the RS3 gets better times. Thing is, I’ve seen stock RS3’s from the US do 11.7-12 seconds in the quarter mile and some have gotten 12.4 from different parts of the world and that’s not even considered the opf (carwow did. a race between a non-opf and one with opf and they were the same), also Carwows leaderboard shows that the Mk8 Golf R does about the same times as the RS3 (also I’m referring to the facelift RS3 in all of this).
@Richard jurczak. .. +1. The sight lines are horrendous providing zero viewer orientation. The progression of the subject matter must be in view of the viewer. .. A wee bit of camera oreintation practice is a good thing. ..
@@2K5W9M1 I have the upgraded seats in my S3 and they are just amazing😌Anyone know if the RS has the same fuel capacity as the S3?(I don’t think I’ve ever gotten 300 miles on a tank😳)
@@wbwayne8887 its kinda long story. So there is a country in Europe called Albania. 🇦🇱. The native people of that country call the country SHQIPERIA. and they call each other SHQIPE. OR. SHQIPTAR. SHQIPERIA means Land of the Eagles. SHQIPE CAN ALSO IN SHORT BE AN EAGLE. The Q is pronounced CH. As in Cherry. Or China.
@@wbwayne8887 you may ask why we call our country a different name then the one in English. That's also a long story. But to give a few examples. Germans don't call Germany Germany. They call it Deutschland (doych·land). Or Japanese call Japan NIPON. OK THAT'S IT. PEACE.
I actually think that If I get the RS3 over the S3 is just because of sound, because the price difference is very significant, and they are basically the same car, almost same design, same transmission, same AWD, if you like the power of the RS3 just tune your S3 and that’s it 😅
At the beginning it says the Rs3 has the 7 speed DSG, and the S3 has a 7 speed auto, probably a fwd ZF transmission, RS3 performance is amazing but so is the price, as amazingly high. EDIT Looks like the same transmission? Guess the engines are the big difference.
@@garys2157 Both cars have DSG transmissions. S3 has dq381 if it's 7 speed or dq250 if it's 6 speed (non FL s3's have dq250, while FL's get dq381). Rs3 has and always had dq500. dq500 > dq381 > dq250.
Both cars are very cool, though my preference would be the RS3 because 5 cylinder engine is always better than a 4 cylinder engine IMO. I drive a 5 cylinder Volvo. 🙂
I hope y’all see this, but it’s the gearing difference in the transmission, NOT THE power. this is done on purpose to further distinguish the RS3 from a S3. If you look at the gearing difference you’ll easily see.
So the RS3 basically wins in power weight ratio here? I was under the same impression but I wouldn’t be surprised if the S3 is making 400 wheel as well. My A3 with an IS20 is making 350 wheel with same mods and EQT tune
yeah Haldex(s3) vs proper Quattro(RS3).. makes a big difference. I"ve driven both and the Quattro is so good in pretty much all conditions with peace of mind. With haldex I was worrying about damaging it over potholes and bumpy airtime situations..
I have a s3 2017 with a tune stage 2 and tcu also and no muffleurs delete but a cold air intake new spark plug a down pipe all the brand name is induct performance canada speedshop and tune to 27 pound of boost almost 28 psi 94 pump gaz no dyno tested but around 400 hp and maybe 375 ppund feet of torque but it quick and fast to a 100km/h to 150 it is in no time so verry happy of mine for now but no more mods in the future a got 5 k on it with gauge AEM wideband it enough for me
Is the S3 on stock intercooler? I didnt hear intercooler as part of the mod list. Stock intercooler is going the hurt the S3 because data logs prove that they get heat soaked even in stock form. I haven't watched the video yet but I'll guess that the S3 loses performance with each run due to IATs increasing
Should’ve been done with the A3 and the s3 since they both share a ea888.. most people like me spring for the A3 and build it up to 290hp for 4k as well
Stumbled across this vid bc was looking to trade in for something new; tested a new + used M3 today. Whilst waiting for the dealer to get hold of their inbound RS3, also gave an S3 & S4 a chance too. Was not... impressed, which merely puts me back to square one. They were "nicer" and certainly better-equipped... probably faster too, in certain environs. But the "feeling" was off, if that makes any sense. Numb, even vs. my routine commute efforts. Edit: I'm a QV owner. It's got plenty of ownership faults (to be sure), but it's drivability is so far ahead of anything I took the fam in today. Maybe I should stop comparing the next car to how the AR runs. Because it's not even the same language. 🙄
Ive been deep diving ito modifiying my 2018 audi s3 and for something like 12,000 you can take the S3 to equilibrium tuning and make the s3 a 710whp e85 chugging fire breathing monster.
I wish these car reviewers would stop saying/talking about Quattro as though it's only one system. Quattro is Audi's branded AWD, well full-time 4WD system. There are different versions, esp. depending on transversely-mounted versus longitudinally-mounted engines. So please say which Quattro system the car has and include the rear diff. too, since they aren't all the same.
Wait until you require boost when in efficient mode, only just bought a 8V S3 310, and was going down the motorway, wanted to put the hammer down and it didn’t feel any different to my Ibiza FR 😂
If its 4k spent for the tune than it may be more than just a stage 2 tune. However if its a stage 2 tune and the tcu is tuned I will take the S3 for the win. I have a golf r tuned stage 1+ and I raced a stage 1 audi ttrs and lost but it wasnt that much of a difference so ya I'd say a stage 2 S3 beats the stock rs3.
I ran 11.93 on this local track (Cayuga) on a hotter day and 11.84 at St Thomas in a Uni stg2 Golf r. Barely beat a stock rs3 (he ran 11.85 and 11.89). His buddies ran low 11s (stage 1 most likely). Same night I beat a stage 3 s3 (as he called it). He couldn't get out of 12.2s that night.
@@Reptil33 Stage 3 s3 so he did a turbo swap ? Cause thats what a Stage 3 is all about and fuel pump , etc. I'm betting not. Maybe the S3 tuned just cant do as well as the Golf R.. that surprises me. Good runs in your golf. Mine's a 2016 and have stayed at the 1+ tune for now.
@@vroomgc Thanks! I won't name the shop to avoid a war here but I think that's what they told him was a stage 3. I actual forget if he said he had an upgraded turbo. I know the ecu & dsg flash weren't Unitronic. He was full weight and had Indy 500 tires. I typically mixed e85 and e98 in mine to avoid knock I'm not sure he knew about it and may have struggled with heatsoak even with increased power (if he did upgrade the turbo).
The son has the old RS3 (360hp) tuned to 415hp and that thing is properly fast. Seriously doubt a 2020 RS3 won’t stand a chance despite having an extra gear.
would rather just get a CPO RS3 with warranty price difference vs. new S3 would be pretty close to tuning an S3 plus you look cooler with the nicer car vs. a sleeper that isn't always faster or overall is still slower.
Exactly why I do not buy the RS3, unless I hear the exhaust it is difficult to know which is which. When you see an M2 pass by, you know it is an M2, not a 328 or a 335. I get it is one nice 5 pot bast of an engine, but that does not justify the pricetag with a S3 exterior.
The presenter in the red shirt isn't using launch control correctly. You can clearly see the car falling flat when he pulls forward. The dude in the S3 will always win at a stand still with the RS3 bogging like that. It's unfortunate because I REALLY wanted to see how these two cars matched up when all conditions are done correctly.
In my opinion it would have made a lot more sense to spend the $1500 on an intercooler upgrade over the carbon Fiber intake. Modify the stalk box (as seen in many videos posted on UA-cam ), upgrade the silicone hose and add the inlet elbow for $200. It was definitely heat soaking . Not to mention adding an aftermarket exhaust which would increase top End Performance for the S3 . The S3 Unitronic stage 2 TCU and ECU should be much closer if not beaten the RS3.
True IMHO the Carbon Fiber intake is way to much overkill and the price is expensive.
But you loose the 5 cyl
Totally agree.
Agree 100%. I suspect his hp/t figures are off for the S3. I’ve seen similar build only pump out 375 to the crank.
The S3 is quick, but $4,000 still doesn't get you a firing order of 1-2-4-5-3 and the phenomenal sound that accompanies it. Glad I made the switch.
Ennit those 5 pots sound SAF
Exactly. When it comes to the main bits, S3's are just VW Golfs in different skin. The S3 (and Golf R and even the GTI) is fantastic, and it's pretty quick with just bolt-ons, but there's no one on the planet who'd ever consider an S3 if that 5-pot upgrade were legitimately in their budget. And Audi knows the value of that engine, too, which is why they said no when VW came knocking asking to put it in the MK8 R. My only two gripes with the RS3 are that (1) we don't get the sportback in the states, and (2) we don't get a no-sunroof option in the states. Both of those issues can be remedied with a Golf R, but then of course you still lose the 12453.
@@jae9843 I agree, but at least there's the TTRS. It has no sunroof, and is a hatchback so that's something. That is if you like the styling and can swing the extra price.
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The 5s sound great but im a sucker for a hatch cant help myself also dont like that they took away the stick shift.
By far one of the best drag races, the similarities build suspense.
That S3 runs really strong with minimal mods...
Respect!
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You should do the same comparison except with an Audi A3(tuned) and S3(stock)
Oh yes i would like to 👀 that
A3 makes 380 hp on stage 2 though, so not sure if they would be as close as these two.
@@klever6913 A3? You mean S3 :)
@@klever6913 my EQT stage 2 s3 makes 400
My hybrid TT makes around 490hp with stage 4 ASK hybrid turbo. Same engine as A3
Audi's 5 Cylinder engines are the best 5 cylinders I ever heard... Especially the Quattro rally car.
Yeah my buddy has A TTRS and its omg sexy sounding
What's another car that has the 5cyl?
@@ballathug8404 Audi RS3 (2010-2013), Audi TT RS (2009 - present), Audi RS3 (2015 - present), KTM X-Bow GTX and Audi RS Q3
@@ballathug8404 volvos like my 850turbo. Got a 2.3rn motor bigger injectors meth injection bigger turbski. May have to post some flyby 🤣 or run one of these audios 🤣
@@raphaelfrancis4509 cupra formentor 2.5 also
Good race and good comparison! Thanks for clearly going over the modifications on the S3, even if it's just an exhaust please inform us.
I have an S3 as well and I can tell the S3 in the video is heatsoaked after a few runs..we need that intercooler upgrade for our 4 bangers lol
Impressive S3!!! Only thing that really kills it is a stage 2 tune plus extra mods on the RS3 and it's in another league.
Yup stage 2 E85 with full bolt ons here. It's a beast!!
i was thinking of buying an s3 cuz the rs3’s are expensive but the rs3 stock is already faster than an s3 that has like 430 horsepower, that 5 cylinder kills, and the rs3 transmission is one of the best in the world, definitely buying the rs3 soon
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That tune was still impressive...this is another really good video!
On paper the S3 Stage 2 should be quicker than the RS3 stock as it gets a better 1/4 mile times.
RS3 stock 1/4 mile is ~12.2s
400BHP S3 1/4 mile is ~11.6s (in mine at least so may depend on tune)
I’m beating rs3s after 80 by 3-4 cars my best quarter mile was 11.7 @ 116 so I don’t think a tune only s3 is beating a rs3 after 80/90
This was interesting to watch since I don't know any thing about each car. Both look like fun little Germans! Thx for uploading
my stage 3 rs3 gaps your charger son
@@bilals1187 you tell him lad
That 5 cylinder RS3 sounds oh so good!!!
I have a unitronic stage 2 E85 FBO and it's a beast. I've done roll races and it beats almost all cars I've run. Putting out 620hp/560 torque at the crank (560hp/520 torque to the wheels)
Hey man, what are the best upgrades for an rs3 and why?
Completely dependent on the tuner and supporting mods.
Unitronic is a great tuner. Would love to see an IE or EQT E30 car run with the RS3. Those tuners are consistently over 1/2 second quicker in the quarter and 60ft times are more aggressive. Cool run though.
@@scottjohnson4885 also he didnt mention an intercooler so hes losing some top end power and probably more doing run after run. If that s3 had an intercooler i bet it would win more consistently.
@@cameronshaw572 what kind of intercooler ?
@@DonM340i i personally run an APR, but Integrated Engineering IC is a bit bigger and has water meth ports.
Great video. I have an S3 but that RS3 sounds glorious!
Who else wants to see Julia?
Word me too
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You can at 5:30, but why is she the flag man and not woman?
My money is on the RS3. If S3 is only stage 2, it will not outrun the RS3.
I dont agree , I think Stage 2 takes it.
It all depends who tunes your car but unitronic is a slow tune!
it depends on budget and looks really.. they perform very similarly
All I saw was the RS3 reeling in the S3 every single time. Gonna need some E85 in that S3 to win it
apr stage 2 audi s3 beats stock rs3. All it is, is a downpipe and tune. So if you are going to drop rs3 money...then. get something like the c8
I had a 10 sec Audi S4 on my channel for a little bit. 034 is tuning the RS5 this summer too. Audi is sick
Never saw an Audi DCT that wasn't lightening fast in manual mode. I think the better deal would be the Standard S3 with the $4K in mods. That was obviously mod money well spent.
Maybe but money can’t buy i5 engine sound
@@Marbind
That's for sure.
I think the i4 tfsi is more reliable than the i5
The I5 has more thought put into the design with it being a performance based engine used in racing events, the 2.0L i4 is a commonly shared platform in the VAG group meaning the same engine is used in multiple cars from multiple brands which all have different power outputs , it also depends who’s driving and when they’re servicing their cars. Cars are only as reliable as their users meaning you look after it, it’ll look after you
@@Marbind You are right, but it is not worth $15K more...no sound is.
That RS3 sounds nice. I think Audi sandbagged the power numbers on it
Don't waste time on comfort mode
Agreed, or at least if you're racing in comfort mode, it should be without brake boosting. Just all brake then all gas.
In real life, if you're gonna take the time to brake-boost, you're probably gonna put your car in Sport mode too.
Agreed. My car is trying to avoid any aggressive anything in comfort mode. Auto in my car is way better. It will stay in comfort mode until you are obviously requesting more from it. It doesn't switch to sport, but it does alter the car because the input you are giving it is letting it know that this is not a normal request.
Comfort doesn't care what you ask for and will do it's best to stop any aggressive downshifting or acceleration. Since a lot of competitors don't really offer such a mode, it's best to replace it with auto when it comes to comparisons.
I have an 18' s3 APR stage 1 R600 intake and Rogue downpipe. Here in SA with hotter climate I can feel the car losing quite a bit of power after 1 or 2 pulls. I know of a few 7.5R with exactly same setup with an vwr intercooler fitted contantly pushing 310kw and more than 550nm run after run. The R with intercooler fitted would definitely walk the rs3.
It'll be close race. The R definitely wouldn't walk a rs3 with the listed mods. Rs3 is the car to have, way more potential.
Nice runs, personally I don't really get all the different drive and transmission modes, if you're keen on racing and running the car flat out, shouldn't you always be in the sportiest settings?
Agreed. Never really understood the point of running it in comfort mode in these videos.
I assume comfort mode is used to simulate real-world impromptu scenarios where you’re at a light or cruising already, and the other modes are used to show possible differences between modes.
totally agree. what's the point of a dig or roll race with anything less than optimal settings for each car
@@mikenice1204 Yes probably to add more content is my guess. He also has a lot of dead air time during races where nothing really happens on screen. Good channel overall, just needs a bit of polish.
@@nighthawk0077 100% agree, he needs to get someone to help him out with what to say and editing of the final product and dont do 2 runs in 'comfort mode' , maybe 1 if any.
Two amazing vehicles
Yep I have owned both and both amazing daily drives, RS3 even more so.
I said this in the chat but I'm sure it was lost. Going forward, please don't try to brake boost on VW/Audi cars in anything other than Sport/Dynamic mode. When you're in the correct mode, you have to jab the throttle really quickly, otherwise the ECU gets confused (stock and otherwise). In short, please stop doing brake boost in comfort/normal and you have to add throttle like you mean it. This isn't intuitive but that's how VW/Audi does it. The only times RS3 lost is when it didn't build boost properly. It's a quick car (11.8-12.2) typically depending on weather conditions.
I agree you can't brake boost these cars specially with dct.
I have a 2015 S3 and absolutely love it. 30k miles 1 owner 10k in but that's mainly a pretty APR exhaust and lowering springs. It is not a true Quattro, they are a haldex transmission. Love it but doesn't feel like a true Quattro
Kind of a case no replacement for displacement…..
tuck the thinkware dashcam wires on the RS3 pls
Nice race really enjoyed it I'd love to see this RS3 against the Supra mk5 3.0L or the RS3 against the M340I
The same ：3
Carwow have the 340
On a roll it'll be close. Drag, rs3 by a few car lengths
Yeah S3’s tuned are no joke I was going to get one instead of my S5 cab.
B8 S5?
@@isflin9919 yeah it’s a B8 S5 Cab I’m stage 2 single pulley and still cant break into the 3’s 0-60. Will prob have to go dual pulley with upgraded cooling to do it. I know stage 1 S3’s can break into 3’s.
@@Magowin S3 has no top end if you are going ots. I'd suggest considering a 340i.less mods will make that far quicker and the interior on all the 3s are lacking from audi.
I didn't realize they had S5 taxis. 🚖
@@wbwayne8887 lol it’s short for Cabriolet.
Anyone else suffering from drag race withdrawal today? 😂
Sam, you've been spoiling us.
Imagine if you did the interview face-to-face instead of over the radio...
I really like the intro sound/ specs/360 view. I wish you bring that back that segment in your 2022/23 vids. The talk time before the race in that video is good by the way.👍
OMG, you've got to use LAUNCH MODE when racing. You hold the brake, stand on the throttle to get the revs and boost up, then release the brake when it's GO time.
200hp per liter with a tune is damn impressive
Unitronic pulls 592hp with their E-85 tune RS3. If you think about it that is almost 50% power increase over stock (400 hp) with just a tune.. that is nuts!! if you divide 592 hp by 2.5 liters you get 236hp/liter with just a tune. Even the EA888 gen 3 pulls very nice power numbers but the RS3 shines too.
I'm on unitronic stage 2 E85 putting 620hp at the crank (560 wheels). It's blazing fast!!
I'd like to see them going around a track to see how the tuned S3 does without the torque splitter against the RS3. So many videos of straight line racing, but i can't find any time trials around a track comparing tuned S3 v RS3 stock. I have an S3 8Y and planning to get it tuned. May try a couple of track days before and after tuning to compare and upload the video.
RS3 & S3 a little underrated on both, even though the 5 cylinder lost a couple, it did win much more, the S3 had more peak torque but under curve the RS3 was clearly making more power through the RPM range giving it an edge in low to mid rpm. Once again amazing comparison, amazing show.
I would love to see a drag race with the all new 2022 S3/RS3 vs 2020 S3/RS3
Or a 2022 Golf R which has been upgraded in power vs a 2020 RS3. I know it already beats the s3 because it has been done already on youtube.
@@vroomgc that would be interesting for sure, and the better traction of the Golf R will be interesting from a dig, even if the RS3 gets better times. Thing is, I’ve seen stock RS3’s from the US do 11.7-12 seconds in the quarter mile and some have gotten 12.4 from different parts of the world and that’s not even considered the opf (carwow did. a race between a non-opf and one with opf and they were the same), also Carwows leaderboard shows that the Mk8 Golf R does about the same times as the RS3 (also I’m referring to the facelift RS3 in all of this).
I want it cause its so small and the 5 sounds amazing stock or modded. Plus gas ain't that bad for the power you get imo
Tuned G30 M550 Xdrive vs M5.. Would love to see that one
You should do 50km,60km and 80km rolls and see how it goes. I would also like to see a stage 2 mk7.5r vs Stock rs3
This makes my next purchase difficult. You need a drone for better camera angles and overhead views. Great job
@Richard jurczak. .. +1. The sight lines are horrendous providing zero viewer orientation. The progression of the subject matter must be in view of the viewer. .. A wee bit of camera oreintation practice is a good thing. ..
For those that aren’t familiar with Unitronic tuning, its the most reserve of all the options on the market for the MQB platform.
That 5th cylinder made the difference
7:08 that head jerk wasn't timed properly with the upshift.
😂🤦♂️
😂 I’m dead. I was thinking the same
S3 all day long i have a full bolt on audi s3 stage 2 and im mirror to mirror with my buddies stock 2018 ttrs
Jeez those seats in that rs3 🔥🔥🔥
@@2K5W9M1 I have the upgraded seats in my S3 and they are just amazing😌Anyone know if the RS has the same fuel capacity as the S3?(I don’t think I’ve ever gotten 300 miles on a tank😳)
Second. Best shqipe in town. 🇦🇱
Thank you shqipe 🇦🇱
What's a shqipe? 🤷♂️
@@wbwayne8887 hahaha. That got me laughing so hard
@@wbwayne8887 its kinda long story. So there is a country in Europe called Albania. 🇦🇱. The native people of that country call the country SHQIPERIA. and they call each other SHQIPE. OR. SHQIPTAR.
SHQIPERIA means Land of the Eagles. SHQIPE CAN ALSO IN SHORT BE AN EAGLE.
The Q is pronounced CH. As in Cherry. Or China.
@@wbwayne8887 you may ask why we call our country a different name then the one in English. That's also a long story. But to give a few examples. Germans don't call Germany Germany. They call it Deutschland (doych·land). Or Japanese call Japan NIPON.
OK THAT'S IT. PEACE.
4k seems like a lot for downpipes, cai, unlocked pcm and a tune.
I actually think that If I get the RS3 over the S3 is just because of sound, because the price difference is very significant, and they are basically the same car, almost same design, same transmission, same AWD, if you like the power of the RS3 just tune your S3 and that’s it 😅
At the beginning it says the Rs3 has the 7 speed DSG, and the S3 has a 7 speed auto, probably a fwd ZF transmission, RS3 performance is amazing but so is the price, as amazingly high. EDIT Looks like the same transmission? Guess the engines are the big difference.
@@garys2157 Both cars have DSG transmissions. S3 has dq381 if it's 7 speed or dq250 if it's 6 speed (non FL s3's have dq250, while FL's get dq381). Rs3 has and always had dq500. dq500 > dq381 > dq250.
The S3 sounds like a fart can
Both cars are very cool, though my preference would be the RS3 because 5 cylinder engine is always better than a 4 cylinder engine IMO. I drive a 5 cylinder Volvo. 🙂
The S5 has 6 cylinders...
@ Sam - yes but not relevant to this video with an S3 and an RS3…
My friend has an RS3 and it's tuned to almost 1,000HP - it's a red one and featured on 1320 video! A monster!
yes, most likely the IROZ kit, they are amazing, low 9s/ high 8s 1/4 mile
Next time. Chat about the specs like real persons instead of the annoying 2 kids on 2 way radios.
I hope y’all see this, but it’s the gearing difference in the transmission, NOT THE power.
this is done on purpose to further distinguish the RS3 from a S3.
If you look at the gearing difference you’ll easily see.
Let's be honest the rs3 makes 380-400whp stock from most dyno sheets
So the RS3 basically wins in power weight ratio here? I was under the same impression but I wouldn’t be surprised if the S3 is making 400 wheel as well. My A3 with an IS20 is making 350 wheel with same mods and EQT tune
It would also be nice to have an Avalon touring or TRD on here cuz we haven’t seen that yet
That s3 DSG slipped at 1st gear. Not sure if it was a clutch issue or just a nature of wet clutch dct. And RS3 cost more for a reason lol
lol, wut? I didn't get any clutch slip for any of these runs...
@@andreportolesi6867 I was just guessing... Then I'm wrong.
Love all your videos
Thank you
RS3 vs 3.0 Supra annnnnnd go
The drivetrain is not the same.
The Torsen quattro makes the difference.
yeah Haldex(s3) vs proper Quattro(RS3).. makes a big difference. I"ve driven both and the Quattro is so good in pretty much all conditions with peace of mind. With haldex I was worrying about damaging it over potholes and bumpy airtime situations..
I just got an 2015 A3 prestige. Now I want more hp and customization. I wonder can I get a pocket rocket out of it?
So no intercooler on the S3? Normally you need that for stage 2.
Keep doing the new car vs the old car. And a older lesser model tuned/modified car vs a new higher spec sport model. I love these!
Basically it’s all about the mode
The Audi RS3 still holds the world record for the fastest Audi car. That 5 cyl is absolutely nuts
I have a s3 2017 with a tune stage 2 and tcu also and no muffleurs delete but a cold air intake new spark plug a down pipe all the brand name is induct performance canada speedshop and tune to 27 pound of boost almost 28 psi 94 pump gaz no dyno tested but around 400 hp and maybe 375 ppund feet of torque but it quick and fast to a 100km/h to 150 it is in no time so verry happy of mine for now but no more mods in the future a got 5 k on it with gauge AEM wideband it enough for me
Is the S3 on stock intercooler? I didnt hear intercooler as part of the mod list. Stock intercooler is going the hurt the S3 because data logs prove that they get heat soaked even in stock form. I haven't watched the video yet but I'll guess that the S3 loses performance with each run due to IATs increasing
S3 owner here! The IC is still stock. That is next on my list along with RS7 spark plugs, coil packs, charge pipes and an exhaust. :)
ya they get so hot that the battery can over heat if you are running it too hard (by experience lol)
IE stage 2 with Full E85 Flextune may paint a different picture IMO
Should’ve been done with the A3 and the s3 since they both share a ea888..
most people like me spring for the A3 and build it up to 290hp for 4k as well
power curve is likely different enough...5c are beasts, I know it😅
I have a tuned s3 and have never tried the launch control
Use the flappy paddles (M mode) 😉
Can you please find a tuned s4 vs rs5 or rs3 race, I have a apr stage 1 b9 s4 and would love to see it
S3 have a DCT too 0:31
I want to see stock both cars rs3 stock vs s4 stick and then rs3 tune vs S5 tune.also make the stinger vs s3
I know the four cylinder has had issues. I wonder how reliable the five cylinder is in comparison? I would imagine the five is running far less boost.
Audi's 5pots are known to be almost indestructable.
Stumbled across this vid bc was looking to trade in for something new; tested a new + used M3 today. Whilst waiting for the dealer to get hold of their inbound RS3, also gave an S3 & S4 a chance too. Was not... impressed, which merely puts me back to square one. They were "nicer" and certainly better-equipped... probably faster too, in certain environs. But the "feeling" was off, if that makes any sense. Numb, even vs. my routine commute efforts.
Edit: I'm a QV owner. It's got plenty of ownership faults (to be sure), but it's drivability is so far ahead of anything I took the fam in today. Maybe I should stop comparing the next car to how the AR runs. Because it's not even the same language. 🙄
I like these models the best love the way they look
*_Julia is the real MVP...!_*
She deserves some airtime on the channel...
I'm sure all the guys agree...?
Absolutely
Ive been deep diving ito modifiying my 2018 audi s3 and for something like 12,000 you can take the S3 to equilibrium tuning and make the s3 a 710whp e85 chugging fire breathing monster.
I wish these car reviewers would stop saying/talking about Quattro as though it's only one system. Quattro is Audi's branded AWD, well full-time 4WD system. There are different versions, esp. depending on transversely-mounted versus longitudinally-mounted engines. So please say which Quattro system the car has and include the rear diff. too, since they aren't all the same.
If the S3 had a stock intercooler it was heat soaked the whole time
The rs3 was stock….. a stage 2 tune would literally make it take a dump on the S3
@Bruce_bianchi that guys s3 is fucked must be a shit driver also
Wait until you require boost when in efficient mode, only just bought a 8V S3 310, and was going down the motorway, wanted to put the hammer down and it didn’t feel any different to my Ibiza FR 😂
If its 4k spent for the tune than it may be more than just a stage 2 tune. However if its a stage 2 tune and the tcu is tuned I will take the S3 for the win. I have a golf r tuned stage 1+ and I raced a stage 1 audi ttrs and lost but it wasnt that much of a difference so ya I'd say a stage 2 S3 beats the stock rs3.
Yep bang on. Stage 2 ea888 should just pip a stock RS3. Will be close!
I ran 11.93 on this local track (Cayuga) on a hotter day and 11.84 at St Thomas in a Uni stg2 Golf r. Barely beat a stock rs3 (he ran 11.85 and 11.89). His buddies ran low 11s (stage 1 most likely). Same night I beat a stage 3 s3 (as he called it). He couldn't get out of 12.2s that night.
@@Reptil33 Stage 3 s3 so he did a turbo swap ? Cause thats what a Stage 3 is all about and fuel pump , etc. I'm betting not. Maybe the S3 tuned just cant do as well as the Golf R.. that surprises me. Good runs in your golf. Mine's a 2016 and have stayed at the 1+ tune for now.
@@vroomgc Thanks! I won't name the shop to avoid a war here but I think that's what they told him was a stage 3. I actual forget if he said he had an upgraded turbo. I know the ecu & dsg flash weren't Unitronic. He was full weight and had Indy 500 tires. I typically mixed e85 and e98 in mine to avoid knock I'm not sure he knew about it and may have struggled with heatsoak even with increased power (if he did upgrade the turbo).
@@Turtle-sz7sk Exactly, plus a Stage 2 also includes a dp.
Audi RS7 vs RS6 please and great race btw
The son has the old RS3 (360hp) tuned to 415hp and that thing is properly fast. Seriously doubt a 2020 RS3 won’t stand a chance despite having an extra gear.
Let's tune the 2020 RS3 as well and see who is faster shall we :-)
Neither are truly Quattro, but the RS AWD is better than the S. I own a the same S model.
Looking forward to the 2022 RS3 new awd system
they both use the exact same Haldex system but the TTRS/RS3 are calibrated and tuned definitely than the Golf R/TTS/S3
8Y S3 tuned keeps up way better than a stock RS3. The evo4 engine makes about 50 more hp than the 8V.
Doesn’t the S3 have the haldex system like a golf R?
Yes it does and the Rs3 is quattro
would rather just get a CPO RS3 with warranty price difference vs. new S3 would be pretty close to tuning an S3 plus you look cooler with the nicer car vs. a sleeper that isn't always faster or overall is still slower.
I'd want to see an EQT tuned s3 like mine vs that s3
Now put 4K into the RS3… no brainer
How much more are parts for a engine that’s in relatively few cars vs every second car on the road. Unless you like expensive bills… no brainer
the RS3 is 25K more new ya dummy.
S3 have haldex awd not quattro. I belive the rs3 are geared differently too.
The tune done on it is not good if you want. A proper tunning for audi's go FoR an ABT tuning
Kick ass video. 👍👍👍
How do the s3 do against b9 s4?
Exactly why I do not buy the RS3, unless I hear the exhaust it is difficult to know which is which. When you see an M2 pass by, you know it is an M2, not a 328 or a 335. I get it is one nice 5 pot bast of an engine, but that does not justify the pricetag with a S3 exterior.
5 cylinders and a dct... really can't beat that value, I'm just imaging if they ever put a manual back in
The presenter in the red shirt isn't using launch control correctly. You can clearly see the car falling flat when he pulls forward. The dude in the S3 will always win at a stand still with the RS3 bogging like that. It's unfortunate because I REALLY wanted to see how these two cars matched up when all conditions are done correctly.