@@ifuckinglovehumanism3624 yeah I totally misspoke there. For some reason, I sometimes think that ice and rock are super effective against each other, but that’s not how it works
Yeah Lorelei is my favorite to be sure. I did the best I could with it, it’s just unfortunate that Leaf, I think that’s the female default character, has a hat. I couldn’t quite figure out how change that into convincing hair.
Yeah, I realized after the fact that I should have done reindeer names or something more Christmasy, but whenever I think of Lorelei, Gilmore always comes to mind
you know, i can see how Lorelei is christmas themed because ice. i also thought it was really cool that you used her sprite and even decided to use piloswine as a 6th pokemon, though i suppose there werent many other options (you couldve used delibird but i mean, christmas theme isnt THAT important). i dont know if this is unoriginal, and im sure many will say this too, but my favorite kanto elite four is definitely Agatha. anyways, i enjoy all of your videos Joe, i declared my place here on this channel with the flying type hardcore nuzlocke, and i have not been disappointed with the content. i love all the videos and i enjoyed the content you decided to bring to the pokemon community. i hope you have an amazing christmas
A main reason I chose Lorelei is because her walking sprite was already in the game, so it required less work than some other trainers would have. And linking ice to Christmas, at least a little bit, seemed appropriate. You’re already the second person I say Agatha is your favorite, I didn’t realize she had so many supporters tbh. Thanks for all your interesting and supportive comments. I’m sure it helps with the UA-cam algorithm. Have a great Christmas too!
Gilmore Girls theme naming? Interesting. Character theme runs are fun to see 13:05 "And it's another ice/water pokemon" -not until it evolves it isn't, so you just got a pure water type! For all of like 5 levels and no relevant battles
What i love about Gen 5 is you could challenge the league in any order. It really made it clear that each member had a rock paper scissors victory: fighting, psychic, dark, ghost. The Champion was pretty much a bug master.
Agatha will always be my favorite kanto elite 4, for really committing to the bit on being a scary old lady. Also, she’s one of the most divorced characters in Pokémon. You can’t tell me with how she talks about him that Agatha didn’t get in an acrimonious divorce with Professor Oak.
@@NuzlockeJoe in Pokémon Masters, Agatha talks a lot about Oak. And Blue calls her granny. Worth looking up the dialog on bulbapedia for a laugh, if nothing else
@@animezing2133 I’m actually already working on a Rom Hack similar to this one, but with Agatha. Though it’ll be a few months before I complete the video
Personally i think swinub should be her starter. Since in thr game, swinub can only be found in island 4 in the sevii island where Lorelei is from. Just my 2 cents. Great video btw😁
Also, I'm sure you get a million suggestions and you're overwhelmed as it is but here's another one: Rival Silver's team is available in its entirety naturally in pokémon Platinum once you use the universal randomizer to replace the starter with a Johto one. 🤷🏻♂️ It would flow pretty well and be easy to set up
I can certainly consider it. I haven’t done any editing in gen 4 so I’m not sure to how change sprites and what not, but I’m sure I could figure it out.
@@NuzlockeJoe for what it's worth I bet all of us would watch even without the custom sprites. As long as the spirit of the run is in it that's what matters. Do whatever's best for you!
Love the video! How did you manage to change the sprite is it anything specific you need to do bc I’ve seen a another UA-camr do it for Misty having her sprite in the game. Plus you also inspired to use her team on my heart gold game lol using part of her stadium team and her main team amazing keep providing awesome content
I’m sure there are a few ways to do it. For me, I used this video to learn how to download the decomp files, which includes all the sprites. So I can just edit the sprites to my hearts content. It takes a bit of time to get it all working, but once it does you can do basically anything you want to the game ua-cam.com/video/q0H_22K9f9Q/v-deo.html
Not sure about let’s go, I just focused on her FRLG team. Because if I branched out too much she’d have her stadium Pokémon, and let’s go, I just didn’t want to deal with all that.
Cool video Interesting to see how Ice types perform in the early game since are normally available really late I watched an MANDJTV Ice type only USUM playthrough that showed can actually get Smoochum pretty early Add in Alolan Ninetails and Alolan Sandslash being used by Lorelei in LGPE rematch team then think would be cool as a sequel video Like Lorelei gets on the wrong boat when going to the SEVII Islands and ends up in Alola Also did you consider using Lorelei's Pokémon from Spin-off game like Pokémon Stadium Lorelei uses Articuno, Exeggutor, Wigglytuff, Starmie and Omastar
That could be funny. It’s been a while since I did an Alola run now. And in my last run, I really wanted a ninetails, but it was a ghost run so I couldn’t. As for her other Pokémon, I did consider that, but I didn’t think it was necessary. My goal was to get up to 6, and I was confident her team was strong enough to make it
Nuzlock joe: says who’s your favorite elite four member in Kanto Me: thinks Bruno is the coolest one Nuzlock Joe: except Bruno because he’s the worst Me:😢
Now I feel bad! To be fair, if Bruno would just get rid of his two onix he would be a lot better. I mean the first gym leaders ace does Not belong on an elite 4 team once, let alone twice!
Well if you include all of Lorelei's teams you could also have gotten a Starmie and an Omastar(from her Pokemon Stadium 2nd round team) WHich I would have been fine with because that would have gotten you more options to play with and they certainly work in her team.
This link lists all the changes I made to the rom, including where to find these guys. But yes, they are where I show. docs.google.com/document/d/19sZZ4LCum6pUmgoX7t8RTTKbJFjBfvuLWYKNujdY6vg/edit?tab=t.0
Been trying the same thing in USUM. Cynthia's final rematch BDSP team has been the only one that got me to the end. My slight modification to my nuzlockes is the main team members can still be used if fainted. All others are dead if fainted...
@Nuzlocke Joe usually I pick a route to add a main member when I get to said route instead having all 6 at the start using powersaves. Makes it more challenging and fun using mons not from the usum pokedex but also ones that are only on the last 2 Islands a lot earlier
@@NuzlockeJoe I’ll tell ya the only way it’s possible is picking your starter then buying the magikarp in the Pokémon center in front of mt moon and skipping as many trainers before misty as possible
So in my opinion lorelei and lance share the place for best most of the time its them 2 i have difficulty with lorelei cuz hee team bulky and lance because of type coverage
You see, I thought about it, but Agatha might not survive an whole run. Ya know, cuz she’s so old. I might still try it at some point in the future though, she has a bit more love than I realized
Yeah I sometimes forget which way it is. Which is surprising, since I’ve been playing these games since the beginning. You think I’d figure it out by now lol
@@NuzlockeJoe I've also been playing since the beginning and I forget things sometimes, usually it's what typing certain Pokémon are because they don't "look like" their typing lol
@@crazymulatto8981 yeah I’m not either tbh. But for sprite changing, there isn’t too much to it. I learned how to get starter by watching the first few videos on this guys channel. youtube.com/@TeamAquasHideout
I mean, maybe I’m just hating on him for nothing, because I haven’t read any of the manga. But the did has two on onix in the 50s. The first gym leader had an onix, so it’s a bad choice I think.
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Please keep in mind that aerodactyl is only 2 Times weak to ice. Rock has no weekness against ice. You could get punished for this in the future..
@@ifuckinglovehumanism3624 yeah I totally misspoke there. For some reason, I sometimes think that ice and rock are super effective against each other, but that’s not how it works
@@NuzlockeJoe yeah, easy mistake to make. I think its because of rock/ground times having a weakness to ice. I just wanted to make sure you know=)
The Lorelei backsprite kills me, I love it! Also my favourite E4 member probably is Lorelei herself. I like the pokemon she chooses.
Yeah Lorelei is my favorite to be sure. I did the best I could with it, it’s just unfortunate that Leaf, I think that’s the female default character, has a hat. I couldn’t quite figure out how change that into convincing hair.
Yeah me 2 I love looking at her form the back 😏
My favorite is Agatha
@@Queefersutherland97 simping for grandmother i see absolute culture
Also, love the naming scheme. My kids' mom would binge the entire series on repeat.
Yeah, I realized after the fact that I should have done reindeer names or something more Christmasy, but whenever I think of Lorelei, Gilmore always comes to mind
you know, i can see how Lorelei is christmas themed because ice. i also thought it was really cool that you used her sprite and even decided to use piloswine as a 6th pokemon, though i suppose there werent many other options (you couldve used delibird but i mean, christmas theme isnt THAT important). i dont know if this is unoriginal, and im sure many will say this too, but my favorite kanto elite four is definitely Agatha.
anyways, i enjoy all of your videos Joe, i declared my place here on this channel with the flying type hardcore nuzlocke, and i have not been disappointed with the content. i love all the videos and i enjoyed the content you decided to bring to the pokemon community. i hope you have an amazing christmas
A main reason I chose Lorelei is because her walking sprite was already in the game, so it required less work than some other trainers would have. And linking ice to Christmas, at least a little bit, seemed appropriate. You’re already the second person I say Agatha is your favorite, I didn’t realize she had so many supporters tbh.
Thanks for all your interesting and supportive comments. I’m sure it helps with the UA-cam algorithm. Have a great Christmas too!
I’m so happy you decided to use the wheel for Seel as well. That’s just my kind of humor.
Man the naming scheme is so awesome. My wife just finished re watching the series lol
Come on, Jynx has Babette or Ms Patty energy, Sookie is an absolute read 🤣🤣
Yeah you’re right. I just chose Skokie because she’s a more well known character.
Lmao
Took me until Luke to realize the naming scheme lol my wife loves that show
Great battling! Would love to see more trainer nuzlocke runs
So far, I’ve done this one, and a Geeta Nuzlocke in Violet. Another one is coming out next week though too
Okay the team names are S tier.
Now this, we can agree on!
That backsprite was actually pretty n-ice. I thought it was pretty cool. Snow doubt about it. Merry Christmas 🎄
Ok, that was pretty good. Merry Christmas!
Love this concept dude was an awesome watch
Thanks! I did a similar run with Agatha you should check out too! Next video in the set will be Lance!
Love your vids man, I’m a new subscriber and I hope you get the amount of subscribers you deserve
Thanks! The past month has been pretty as far as views and subs. I’m hoping to hit 10,000 but may, which will be my one year anniversary here
When i was a kid with no clue what i am doing, Jynx and my started carried me. Very underrated pokemon
Love the theme challenges!
3:29 wait is he doing a Gilmore girls theme for the nicknames
I think Lorelei is prettier than Cynthia... Especially Anime Lorelei
yeah...for two reasons lmao
Gilmore Girls theme naming? Interesting. Character theme runs are fun to see
13:05 "And it's another ice/water pokemon" -not until it evolves it isn't, so you just got a pure water type! For all of like 5 levels and no relevant battles
Subscribed. Great content!
Awesome, thank you!
What i love about Gen 5 is you could challenge the league in any order. It really made it clear that each member had a rock paper scissors victory: fighting, psychic, dark, ghost. The Champion was pretty much a bug master.
Yeah, I agree. In normal playthroughs it might not matter too much, but for nuzlockes it makes preparation easier too
Aye, It definitely makes things a lot easier. 💯
FYI ice does neutral damage to rock types, so your ice beam into aerodactyl was only 2x effective, not 4x!
Yeah, you’re obviously correct. Don’t know what I was thinking there…
Love this concept. Run with it!
Uhhh thank you for Lorelei run! Now do my next kanto queen Agatha! Love love Agatha!!
That is certainly the next kanto run I’ll do for sure. She is much more liked than I realized
Oh damn, the Gilmore Girls name theme. Honestly kind of an underrated show.
My name is Rory and this video was very inspirational; full of positive affirmations 😂
I’m glad I could give you a little ego boost. Idk about you, but this Rory was pretty great
Agatha will always be my favorite kanto elite 4, for really committing to the bit on being a scary old lady. Also, she’s one of the most divorced characters in Pokémon. You can’t tell me with how she talks about him that Agatha didn’t get in an acrimonious divorce with Professor Oak.
I kinda like that backstory. I’m currently working on a Rom hack like this where I play as Agatha, so I might include that story line…
@@NuzlockeJoe in Pokémon Masters, Agatha talks a lot about Oak. And Blue calls her granny. Worth looking up the dialog on bulbapedia for a laugh, if nothing else
waiting for this one omg
Agatha is hands down fave Kanto E4 member!! 👻
You’re like the fourth person to say that, I didn’t realize she was so popular!
@@NuzlockeJoe Maybe you could do a ghost-type run (nuzlocke or just a regular monotype challenge) and call your trainer Agatha!!!! 🙏😁
@@animezing2133 I’m actually already working on a Rom Hack similar to this one, but with Agatha. Though it’ll be a few months before I complete the video
@@NuzlockeJoe Cool. Subscribed.
Just subbed loved the idea, you should really do the rest of the Elite Four next. May I suggest struggling with Bruno's two Onix?
As man, Bruno? Tbh if I did one as him, I would probably use his rematch team where he has Steelix instead
@@NuzlockeJoe Yeah that would probably make it possible lol, either way I'd just love to see more elite four member teams!
@@NuzlockeJoe I’d never wish someone to use an onix. Unlike the imposter Bruno, unlock it’s true form!
fun concept
Personally i think swinub should be her starter. Since in thr game, swinub can only be found in island 4 in the sevii island where Lorelei is from. Just my 2 cents. Great video btw😁
That’s a good point actually. I did consider doing the sevii islands here, but due to time limitations decided not to.
Also, I'm sure you get a million suggestions and you're overwhelmed as it is but here's another one: Rival Silver's team is available in its entirety naturally in pokémon Platinum once you use the universal randomizer to replace the starter with a Johto one. 🤷🏻♂️ It would flow pretty well and be easy to set up
I can certainly consider it. I haven’t done any editing in gen 4 so I’m not sure to how change sprites and what not, but I’m sure I could figure it out.
@@NuzlockeJoe for what it's worth I bet all of us would watch even without the custom sprites. As long as the spirit of the run is in it that's what matters. Do whatever's best for you!
@@TonerTheTank that’s true, but I feel like the sprite change makes it more unique.
Lmao omg a Gilmore girls run. Love it.
Felt appropriate
Why are all these videos and the sarcastic commentary so amusing to me?
Idk man, that sounds like a you problem.
Seriously though, thanks!
@@NuzlockeJoe
It's great stuff, man.
Subbed for you homie
Appreciate it!
@@NuzlockeJoe No problemo, you've got fun content.
Love the video! How did you manage to change the sprite is it anything specific you need to do bc I’ve seen a another UA-camr do it for Misty having her sprite in the game. Plus you also inspired to use her team on my heart gold game lol using part of her stadium team and her main team amazing keep providing awesome content
I’m sure there are a few ways to do it. For me, I used this video to learn how to download the decomp files, which includes all the sprites. So I can just edit the sprites to my hearts content.
It takes a bit of time to get it all working, but once it does you can do basically anything you want to the game
ua-cam.com/video/q0H_22K9f9Q/v-deo.html
Thanks for the information I will check it out thank you 🙏🏾
This should be henceforth known in the Pokemon Community as a GilmoreLock.
I second that notion!
best idea for a nuzzlock
Well thanks!
Is Piloswine on her rematch team for FRLG and Let's Go PE?
If so...is Sneazel, Glalie, and Walrein fair game for her?
Not sure about let’s go, I just focused on her FRLG team. Because if I branched out too much she’d have her stadium Pokémon, and let’s go, I just didn’t want to deal with all that.
Lapras is so strong. You should have started off with seel or something
Yeah, but Lorelei and Lapras just go together! The first gym would have been easy anyway.
Cool video
Interesting to see how Ice types perform in the early game since are normally available really late
I watched an MANDJTV Ice type only USUM playthrough that showed can actually get Smoochum pretty early
Add in Alolan Ninetails and Alolan Sandslash being used by Lorelei in LGPE rematch team then think would be cool as a sequel video
Like Lorelei gets on the wrong boat when going to the SEVII Islands and ends up in Alola
Also did you consider using Lorelei's Pokémon from Spin-off game like
Pokémon Stadium Lorelei uses Articuno, Exeggutor, Wigglytuff, Starmie and Omastar
That could be funny. It’s been a while since I did an Alola run now. And in my last run, I really wanted a ninetails, but it was a ghost run so I couldn’t.
As for her other Pokémon, I did consider that, but I didn’t think it was necessary. My goal was to get up to 6, and I was confident her team was strong enough to make it
i remember doing something like this, i do Pokemon fire red only ice, but i didn't had swinub and i couldn't use slowbro, but i use Articuno
Yeah I like that this was mostly an ice run, but articuno would certainly have brought a lot to the team.
but you still have 5 pokemons and articuno do a job like for 2 pokemons, so like full team
Lorelei’s walking animation looks so strange haha
But I didn’t even make that one! I only made the horrific battle back sprite
Nuzlock joe: says who’s your favorite elite four member in Kanto
Me: thinks Bruno is the coolest one
Nuzlock Joe: except Bruno because he’s the worst
Me:😢
Now I feel bad!
To be fair, if Bruno would just get rid of his two onix he would be a lot better. I mean the first gym leaders ace does Not belong on an elite 4 team once, let alone twice!
Well if you include all of Lorelei's teams you could also have gotten a Starmie and an Omastar(from her Pokemon Stadium 2nd round team) WHich I would have been fine with because that would have gotten you more options to play with and they certainly work in her team.
I did consider her stadium teams, but she also has Pokémon like executor and articuno, so I decided against it.
can we get this rom
I might start looking into that, I just don’t want to get into Nintendo legal trouble
If we play this on an emulator, can you get slowpoke where you did? Or are we sol until you can actually get her team?
This link lists all the changes I made to the rom, including where to find these guys. But yes, they are where I show.
docs.google.com/document/d/19sZZ4LCum6pUmgoX7t8RTTKbJFjBfvuLWYKNujdY6vg/edit?tab=t.0
@NuzlockeJoe okay my apologies! I really appreciate the work you put into them! I just looked for a slowpoke for like 30 minutes haha
@ be sure you’re on the right level too
@NuzlockeJoe honestly i wasn't in the right area haha i thought you caught slowpoke after brocks gym in the grass before haha
i really love the ghost type e4 since i love Gengar sad thing they remove its levitate ability in the later gens
Yeah, I didn’t like that either. It was nice not having to worry about super effective ground moves
8:50 A wheel of any kind is not "all mighty".
I would like to see evolutions for Lorelei original team. My suggestion is
Lapras Evolution - 600
Type: Ice / Water
Ability: Ice Age (Stronger Snow)
HP: 130
Attack: 50
Defence: 100
Sp Atk: 120
Sp Def: 150
Speed: 50
Cloister evolution - 575
Type: Ice / Rock
Ability: Skill Link
HP: 80
Attack: 110
Defence: 180
Sp Atk: 50
Sp Def: 105
Speed: 50
Dewgong evolution - 575
Type: Ice / Electric
Ability: Slush Rush
HP: 100
Attack: 50
Defence: 100
Sp Atk: 105
Sp Def: 150
Speed: 70
Jynx Evolution - 540
Type: Ice / Psychic
Ability: Snow Cloak
HP: 60
Attack: 60
Defence: 60
Sp Atk: 120
Sp Def: 120
Speed: 120
With a buff to ice types where it resists Ground, Electric, Water & and removes its weakness to Fire so its neutral
I'd also like to see Bruno's team get some love as well with some evolutions to the Hintmons
Roguechan - 575
Type: Fighting / Water
Ability: Arena Trap
HP: 100
Attack: 120
Defence: 85
Sp Atk: 50
Sp Def: 120
Speed: 100
Roguelee - 575
Type: Fighting / Fire
Ability: Defiant
HP: 100
Attack: 120
Defence: 120
Sp Atk: 50
Sp Def: 85
Speed: 100
Roguetop - 575
Type: Fighting / Ground
Ability: Filter
HP: 100
Attack: 85
Defence: 120
Sp Atk: 50
Sp Def: 120
Speed: 100
Add to that Marchamp rework to give him 600 stat points
Marchamp - 600
Type: Fighting / Steel
Ability: No Guard
HP: 130
Attack: 130
Defence: 135
Sp Atk: 35
Sp Def: 135
Speed: 35
Dude the jynx Gilmore girls reference is a deep cut
Edit:omg all the names wow! How did I just notice that! Lol
Yeah, the only real Lorelei characters I know are in Pokémon, and Gilmore girls. So I had to use them
Been trying the same thing in USUM. Cynthia's final rematch BDSP team has been the only one that got me to the end. My slight modification to my nuzlockes is the main team members can still be used if fainted. All others are dead if fainted...
Yeah someone suggested I try an Lorelei themed ice run in USUM. It would be cool to use alolan ninetails
@Nuzlocke Joe usually I pick a route to add a main member when I get to said route instead having all 6 at the start using powersaves. Makes it more challenging and fun using mons not from the usum pokedex but also ones that are only on the last 2 Islands a lot earlier
You should really do every main characters team from the mangas
I could, I just know absolutely nothing about the manga. So I figured I’d start where I know the most
Who did the artwork for the Lorelei on the side?
It’s her sprite from the Pokémon Masters game. I think i got it from bulbapedia
I’ve been doing a hardcore nuzlocke gift Pokémon (in game trade/fossils included) in leaf green and it’s very fun and challenging
I actually have that one on my list! Granted, it’s a very long list so who knows when I’ll get to it.
@@NuzlockeJoe I’ll tell ya the only way it’s possible is picking your starter then buying the magikarp in the Pokémon center in front of mt moon and skipping as many trainers before misty as possible
Can you please do lanes
So in my opinion lorelei and lance share the place for best most of the time its them 2 i have difficulty with lorelei cuz hee team bulky and lance because of type coverage
Yeah I can see that.
She has Jynx so the answer was already yes you definitely can lol
Basically, yes!
@@NuzlockeJoe definitely an underrated Pokémon due to controversy even Smoochum is solid
without math no pokemon game would exist, even more, no game would exist at all!
Favourite E4 member is Bruno, but only because you said it was the wrong answer
How dare you be so vulgar on MY channel!
Lorelei is a strong independent woman who won't put up with misogyny
This guy gets it!
koga is Not much better than Bruno, but his team can be quite good with the right moves
Especially in yellow. I just finished playing through a teller run, and did team is so bad!
Ice is a better type than Fighting, Poison, or Flying
Agatha all the way
You see, I thought about it, but Agatha might not survive an whole run. Ya know, cuz she’s so old.
I might still try it at some point in the future though, she has a bit more love than I realized
Ngl I think ice needs more love as it gets worse every gen
It’s my favourite type though so ice lives matter I guess
she's my idol and hero
Do more do more … ice queen for the win
She is pretty great! Based on the comments here, it looks like Agatha is going to be the next one
Aerodactyl wasn't 4 times weak to ice. Rock is not weak to ice. I used to think that too lol
Yeah I sometimes forget which way it is. Which is surprising, since I’ve been playing these games since the beginning. You think I’d figure it out by now lol
@@NuzlockeJoe I've also been playing since the beginning and I forget things sometimes, usually it's what typing certain Pokémon are because they don't "look like" their typing lol
you should had picked one of her Pokémon Stadium teams
I did look at them, but the Pokémon stadium Pokémon open up so many more options, while straying away from what I view as a “true” Lorelei team
Ice isn’t 4x effective against aerodactyl dude
Yeah, I messed that one up
How is he playing as Lorelei?
It’s a rom hack I made. I basically just changed around some sprites.
@@NuzlockeJoe I see, I'm not too well versed in that so that's why I asked 😅
@@crazymulatto8981 yeah I’m not either tbh. But for sprite changing, there isn’t too much to it.
I learned how to get starter by watching the first few videos on this guys channel.
youtube.com/@TeamAquasHideout
@@NuzlockeJoe really? I'll check it out, thank you
I hate how you only used dewgong once to secrafice it 😞
Yeah I did really feel bad about it. I like dewgong, but I had a really slow one, and plenty of other ice/water Pokémon to chose from
I would say lance is the best he can give you a lot tough time
I agree, but one thing I don’t like about lance is he basically has the same Pokémon three times.
@@NuzlockeJoe true kinda why I like him in the anime better he have more Pokémon like his red gyradose and dragonite not to mention his hydreigon
Love Gilmore girls
bruno is best if u read manga
I mean, maybe I’m just hating on him for nothing, because I haven’t read any of the manga. But the did has two on onix in the 50s. The first gym leader had an onix, so it’s a bad choice I think.
Do agatha!
You are the third person to say that. Didn’t realize the old hag had such a following
Gilmore girls
Yeah, the first name probably gave it away, huh?
lance
You are incorrect. Bruno is not the worst Elite Four member of all time.
I didn’t say if all time, just in kanto.
Who would you say is worse than Bruno?
Holy shit a nuzlocker beat a nuzlocke with no deaths and didn’t kill mons for views! Wow
Aerodactyl doesn’t have any 4x weaknesses..
Yeah someone else pointed that out too. I must have mixed up the script a bit with his flying dragons around
Agatha all the way
Yeah, she is was more popular than I realized. I’ve already started a run with her!