Long distance testing of the Diana Model 48 (RWS 48) with the Element Optics Helix 6-24x50 SFP scope
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- If you missed the Box to Bench (part 1) of the Diana Airguns Model 48 review I strongly suggest that you go check that one out first.
In this video I take the Model 48 out for some longer distance target shooting, at 30, 45 and 55 yards, but with a twist. OK, maybe not a twist, but this time I add a scope. The @ElementOptics Helix, in 6-24x50 SFP trim seemed like the perfect fit once I learned that Diana is their distributor in Germany.
My first suspicion that the Model 48 was more precise than I could shoot it with open sights was 100% correct. This rifle can hold groups at much longer distances than I can see clearly enough without magnification. Watch and see.
The Helix is a solid scope and I have no concerns about mounting it on a springer, but Diana makes a Zero Recoil Mount, so I thought I might as well check that out too. You'll see that in the video. It does what it says.
I've been shooting the Model 48 almost daily for about 6 weeks and I've only had one thing fall short of perfection. And it wasn't the airgun's fault. Keen eyed observers will notice in the edit of the 55 yard targets a "flier" appear between shots 4 and 5. I had a pellet fall out of the breech while loading. As a result I dry fired, and when I figured out what happened instead of discarding it (stupid) I decided to shoot it, and it predictably was way off target. The pellet was obviously out of specification as it was loose the second time I loaded it. Stupid choice, but you deserve the truth about it. Especially if you've bothered to read this far into the description.
The Model 48 is an awesome performer and would be an easy recommendation for anyone looking into a spring powered airgun.
I am ecstatic to announce a new channel partner, Diana Airguns of Germany, to the Wisconsin AirGunners family. Expect to see more content from Diana on the channel, and if there is something specific from their catalog that you’d like to see, let us know in the comments and I will see what I can do.
This is Mr. Suzy, I've had my 48 since about 1986, it's had 3 rebuilds and I ordered chamber oil today because it has sat awhile unused plus my 34 is a bit dry too. Got many PCP's , but diggin the springers lately. When you did this video your 48 hadn't even got close to break in.
It's like breaking in a lacrosse stick, cricket bat or baseball glove. It's a labor of love.
Hi Great show. Fifty years ago I purchased a Webley MK3 .22 air rifle from new and no matter how tight I screwed the scope down it would always work itself loose . I had no knowledge that scopes with a built in shock absorber like the one you demonstrated existed . Guess who is going to get one of these scopes for his 75th birthday. Thanks for taking the time to spread your knowledge.
I'm glad to have the platform to do it! Thanks for reaching out.
Diana 48 is really really good in .22 cal. That caliber is more accurate
@@joeramirez7879 it certainly has the weight to buck the wind.
In 1989 my dad picked up an RWS Model 52, which is basically this gun with a checkered stock. It was the gun that got me into air rifles. We spent ages shooting it of the porch at my dad's shop or in the indoor range at his buddy's garage. When he passed I inherited the gun and I love shooting it. Every shot brings memories. That being said, I had to add an anti-barrel droop riser and a scope for my eyesight. My only complaint with this gun is how heavy it is. It's more than capable of hunting, but it's just not fun to lug very far.
I use my 48 for shooting gophers all the time, I use a Bogpod tripod with the platform rest addition (can't think of the name of it off the top of my head). You can just leave the 48 on the rest between shots, saves your arms because as you said it is a beast to hold and carry around for any length of time, LOL.
I hit a shotgun shell at 85 yd with my model 48 22 caliber. And a can every time at 95 yd. Tripod rest and a small chair.
Nice!
Nice review again PJ.
I really liked the slowmotion photage.
Thanks. I’m glad you like it!
Great review Pj, and very informative, thats some cracking results with it, looking forward to your next video Cheers 👌👌👌👍👍👍👍
Thanks Casper. I hope all is well with you and your family in the new year.
@@WiscAirGunners Thank you Pj and wishing you the same to you and yours 👍👍👍
Love it! My 52 is just a jazzed up 48. Mine is very old and has the T01 trigger and is on its second spring and piston. It is a heck of a shooter.
Hope you still have time to shoot it!
How many rounds did you get out of your piston and seals before you had to change them? Did you lube them regularly? Thank you.
Had one a few years back and had it tuned to perfection spent a small fortune on it. It was set at about 11ftlbs the limit in the uk but the accuracy was incredible out at 56 yards I could get all my shots under a uk 5p coin which is 15mm. It had the T01 trigger it was stripped tuned and set at 1 pound 5onces. But I sold it on and regretted it as you do.
#theonethatgotaway
I have a tunekit 12ft/lbs to and i think this will be the best balance between power and accuracy
Very happy new year. Nice video, now i must have the element scope you use 😃. I wish you a great relationship with diana airguns of germany.
Thanks. They’ve been great to get to know.
Now i had install the Steyr bridge with 0,5° down to front and the Ritter 6-24 x 50 vision3. Also i change on the Front of the barrel to the barrelweight from the 56th. IT works well
I've done a lot of testing of the ZR Mount. It works well when setup correctly.
Hey PJ this is Brad from way ...way back. Yes the Diana slide rail works great. I blew a Vector scope with my Gamo Magnum .22 ....got a slide rail and it did great. Definitely need to take it apart every once and a while to clean and relube. Some of the knockoffs are cheap and a bit dry.
Makes sense! Thanks for the tip. Hope all is well.
Indeed, Steve (AEAC) is a good dude. I like his presentations as well.
Agreed!
You are absolutely spot on with your comments regarding finding out how the springer should be held to produce the most accurate results. I have a Gamo Fox, which is a springer. I have never seen a review of the gun claiming it to be a very accurate gun.
My experience with it was, every time I shot it I would get widely varying groups. I blamed the Fox, I blamed the scope, which was a good quality scope. In frustration I put the scope on one of my pcp's and was getting very tight groups. I put the scope back on the Fox and took great care to hold the gun precisely the same way each time I shot it. A miracle, I started consistently getting groups between 1 inch to 1/2 inch groups at 20 and 25 yards. Certainly not as accurate as my pcp's, but a far cry better than what I previously was getting. I found that moving my hand hold as little as an inch along the barrel support would markedly effect accuracy. So it wasn't the Fox, it wasn't the scope, it was me not finding the right hold to produce the best accuracy for the Fox.
Incidently, your videos are very good.
Thanks for that response. Consistency is the key!
Look up "artillery hold" for shooting springers. And don't grip it tight like a firearm. Cheers...
I can concur about using what is known as the artillery hold to produce the best results with a springer. I own a few different types and brands of airguns with differing power levels, and I achieve the best results with the light hold sensitivity of the artillery hold with all my springers.
I just found your channel and subscribed as I’m debating purchasing a Diana model 48, and find UA-cam invaluable when gleaning information one can trust. Ciao and namaste
@@prunesquallor3444 - I have 3 Diana's, a model 48 in .22, a model 34 and 350 magnum pro-compact both in .177. The 48 and 34 are not terribly hold sensitive (great even off of a bag or tripod), quite forgiving, they are also not that picky with pellets. They shoot the cheap Crosmans nearly as well as higher end pellets (RWS, JSB or H&N). The 350 mag is a tad more hold sensitive, it is also not very pellet picky. You won't regret buying a Diana. Cheers...
Looking forward to that next springer review
Awesome. Glad to hear folks are interested.
Open notch and blade sights just aren't very precise. They are great in low light, against targets of low contrast at close range. Perfect in the woods! But if you want precision irons you have to go aperture or even diopter sights. That rear aperture really helps even tired old eyes focus. Try it out sometime, I love mine!
My Bell Target rifles all have diopters, and it really is amazing how precise you can be when they are properly set up. I do love a good rear peepsight, and I wish more rifles would come stock with them.
460 magnum in .22!
If that's what you have coming you will be impressed. Great squirrel hunting rig!
I'll be watching!
James from Michigan
Thanks. The 460 is next up.
I own a diana 48 and have recently put a Vortek PG4 steel HO kit in it. The gun has become more accurate. The springbuzz is gone and it has become silent. More fun to shoot. And somehow the recoil is less.
The kit gives about 5 joules extra power so now I can shoot the heavier pellets with good speed. It doesnt like pellets under 10 grain anymore but that is fine.
Cool. Thanks for the info!
Great video! Thank you for sharing! I hope the Underlever Diana is a model 480! I love mine.
Glad to hear!
Love it
Thanks
I have the RWS 36,350,48,55,The 350 is my favorite.
Nice!
These are great airguns - I had the M52 and shouldn't have sold it. It was "as new" and had only fired about 400 pellets when I sold it.
This kind of regret is why I hate selling airguns.
For a starter springer I've been recommending the gamo silent cat. It's very reasonably priced. It's about the same price that i paid for the rws 34 over 30 years ago.
I have a friend who does a lot of pest control with a Gamo and speaks highly of them.
Sorry but that makes no sense?! Say you bought a house...then you bought the same one 30 years later?!?! There is no comparison!
@@irishkelly654the gamo silent cat is inexpensive, i believe it's a good value. Today an rws 34 is @ 3x the cost of the gamo silent cat. And maybe this will satisfy you. The rws 34 hasn't changed much in the last 30 years.
Hope I dont jinx u but I hope I make it to RMAC, that year u and John went and did like a 50 part video was awesome. Seriously, I guys are doing stuff id really like to do. Haha at least I can see it here
I feel ya on old eyes and iron sights. I'm lefty, but my left eye is legally blind according to the DMV. I see 2 front sight dots and out at the target it all looks blurry. So, instead of being sensible and getting some corrective lenses, I have taught myself to shoot iron sights right handed. Lol. It's taken many months for it to become a natural feeling right handed, but I'm glad I did it. By springtime I'll be getting some glasses or something though.
That’s perseverance! I shoot pistol and AR with irons for work, but it’s a different ballgame when you are shooting the tiny targets as opposed to the big ones, but I’ve taught myself to shoot lefty for tactical reasons, so I know what kind of work you’ve put into that project.
I'd love to see the comparison with this and the 48.
Do you mean the RWS branded version?
@@WiscAirGunners Yes I ment the 480 Diana. Actually if you did a 50 75 and 100 yards accuracy test with it on splatter targets that would be amazing.
Sport match mounts do a one piece dampa mounts
I haven't seen anyone carrying those here in the US. Sport Match yes, but not the dampa mount.
If you like the model 48, you should try their model 54 air king with its recoilless design. I have one in .22 caliber and it is amazing. You can see the impact of the pellet as your sight picture in the scope barely moves.
That sounds awesome!
Really great video my friend. I have a Diana RWS model 36 in 22 caliber probably purchased it it 1998. Until this video i have been struggling to find a mount that doesn't move .. Can you tell me where to find that mount that shows the New Design like on you're video PLS.. Also I'm a new subscriber thanks again have a good week pal!!
I think AoA stocks it in the US.
I gone to order next week in the netherlands
Nice. Love mine!
48 will do 50 yards easily ,but the gun is really heavy, 10lbs +
Sometimes heavy is good.
Dude those are the same 3 inch targets I had. I had trouble with them sticking to cardboard so I stuck them on paper and taped it to cardboard
Every once in a while I get one that doesn't want to stay on in the cold. If I stick them inside before taking them outside they do much better.
The wife just got a new roll from.....? So we will see how it turns out. Have a good one buddy
I worked in a packaging facility and we found that boxes would absorb humidity and that would ruin our tapes adhesion. Keep those boxes dry! Happy shooting!
the mount just have to go to the beginpoint exact and steady . the play is not a concern
It does that.
Great video. Question...have you tried to compare a one piece (fixed) mount to the recoilless Diana one? I understand the idea of the recoilless mount but I believe it would be inherently less accurate to a fixed mount?! Thanks again...
I’m working on a 460 Magnum with fixed mounts right now. I was impressed with the Diana mount and didn’t feel like it gave anything up.
@@WiscAirGunners - Thanks for the reply. Very interesting for sure. I will have to look in to it a bit more. I will keep my eyes open for the 460 review. Thanks again for your time.
I just purchased a new diana 48 , my first diana . I surprised at how cheaply it's made , the trigger however is really good . The stock is impressive but the metal work is cheap and the plastic parts are pitiful . It's hard to cock compared to a HW . I feel that it isn't worth the purchase price.
In fairness a fixed barreled HW is 2-300$ more. No one likes plastic parts.
Does the mount have 10moa built in.
I use two rubber bands one behind the scope bell n other near the eye piece. wrapped around the scope and stock so it prevents any play.
It does not have any MOA built in.
@@WiscAirGunnersIncorrect. It has roughly 25 MOA built in.
Is there a recommended Bipod for this rifle? Just received mine today. It's heavy!
Well, to mount one I think you’d have to drill the stock for a rail or swivel stud.
Accutac, Scandinavian Airguns and Spartan (Javelin) all make top class bipods and I’d have no hesitation recommending any of those. There are cheap bipods out there, some will get the job done, but I don’t recommend going that route as you’ll always be compromising with each shot.
If you don’t want to do that I’d look to a Protektor Model leather bag for bench or Primos Trigger Sticks for the field. The Protektor stuff is first class and a great value.
yep and it will shoot different when you free hand it instead of on the bench i can shoot them but nothing in the pellet rifle world shoots more consistant than a quality pcp but they fit a spot in the pellet rifle world
Agreed on the hold sensitivity. It’s good to know there are options out there, and if you enjoy the learning process there is a lot to love here.
Mirage is how you can dope for wind.
It does funny things at extremely low temperatures, and because I was using the spotter with a different level of magnification it wasn't as useful as it might have been.
@@WiscAirGunners I discovered it in a field target match as I was ranging a field target. I ranged and backed up to the mirage again. Held just inside of 9 o'clock to hit dead center.
Did you shoot the 7.5 joule version or a higher level diana 48?
This one is full power made for the US market.
I think about the vortek tune kit pg4 for my rifle.
This will power up to 16 joule
Now i bought the pg4 tune it from vortek usa 💪
@@thor-sten1564 the vortek pg4 steel HO kit will boost power to 30-31 Joules. I have that kit in My 48. It transforms the gun into powerfull and accurate.
Gets rid of that springbuzz too.
@@johnvanberrgem286 i choose the 16 joule version, i think it is more handleble
Get a mirror your house
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we can build air guns
Greetings from Germany
You certainly can!
@@WiscAirGunners Yes i agree you certainly can.