DIY a better (and cheaper) long life motorcycle battery

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  • Опубліковано 26 сер 2024
  • In this video I am using LiFePO4 18650 cells to build a better battery for my motorcycle. These batteries last 7-8 years compared to the 2-3 of lead acid. I will be replacing all of my motorcycle batteries with these since the performance has been exceptional.
    If you want to make one for a car, I suggest 40 cells (4S/10P) and 48 cells (4S/12P) for a truck or large SUV.

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  • @MrAntonioTech
    @MrAntonioTech 3 роки тому +13

    Great video! One thing that would really help the project and save everyone who builds such battery time is checking each battery BEFORE you solder them into one pack.

    • @highervoltage5430
      @highervoltage5430  Рік тому +1

      Very true.

    • @MisterJDee
      @MisterJDee Рік тому +1

      @@highervoltage5430 Thanks for your video.. still relevant even after all these years. Question... I am going to build a battery using 8x 26650 cells for my bike... I was thinking of using an active BMS to protect the cells from over and undercharge as well as balancing. I'm trying to choose the right max current capacity for the BMS, but I don't know how much current a starter motor usually draws when starting a cold engine. Is it more than 100A or less? Have you used any active BMS's before that you could recommend? Many thanks! Dean

  • @eivis13
    @eivis13 4 роки тому +10

    Normaly you disconnect the negative lead first, not the red one. This is because you can accidentaly touch the body of the car/bike with the loose lead and short the electronics with charge left inside the capacitors. It's like mixing drinks - you can mix vodka with vodka all the time, but don't mix it with whiskey, rum or anything else (though a pint of beer after a bottle of vodka never did me any harm).

  • @MoswenMedia
    @MoswenMedia 3 роки тому +1

    Respect for wearing your riding gear, even just to demo a diy battery video.

  • @samuels9489
    @samuels9489 Рік тому +6

    Very good video. I would consider hooking up one single set of batteries (4x18650 in series) in parallel with a super capacitor pack - 6x500F 2.7V with balance board to provide 16v(max) 83F capacitor pack. The capacitor provides a large amount of cranking amps. I would use on Yamaha XT250 enduro.

    • @alaricace8118
      @alaricace8118 Рік тому

      Hi, Did you yet made this battery pack?

    • @jvinsnes
      @jvinsnes 11 місяців тому

      I am very interested in this. Where can I find more info about such battery?

  • @roynexus6
    @roynexus6 3 роки тому +30

    It looks like you are drawing power directly from the battery (not via BMS)and charging battery directly as well (not via BMS). The BMS you are using will only balance the cells, but not protect against overcharging / over dis-charging. If this is true, you'll destroy this battery pretty fast. Potentially you are dealing with a Li-Ion battery that can catch on fire right under your seat and next to your fuel tank. Good luck.

    • @chuckdickey3250
      @chuckdickey3250 2 роки тому +7

      He is using LiFePO4 batteries that are more forgiving and do not generally combust upon failure like Lithium Ion.

    • @allsafe1
      @allsafe1 2 роки тому

      If that is the case what is the solution ?

    • @Artemis_xe
      @Artemis_xe 2 роки тому +3

      @@allsafe1 get a different BMS?

    • @starktynt4103
      @starktynt4103 Рік тому +1

      @@Artemis_xe yes , get a bms with high amps

  • @turbofan67
    @turbofan67 2 роки тому +5

    I'll probably never do it, but that was really interesting.
    I didn't think you were supposed to apply that much heat to an 18650 cell.

  • @Oberyn_Martell
    @Oberyn_Martell 3 роки тому +29

    "Don't worry about overheating it". wow.. really. have you heard of a spot welder.

    • @sunny_froyo
      @sunny_froyo 3 роки тому +3

      Bruhh, why wouldn't he just use copper instead of nickel if he's gonna solder everything. So much about this is wrong lol

    • @sanchikrr
      @sanchikrr 3 роки тому

      @@sunny_froyo nickel plates is better on lithium based batteries as they dont oxidise the way copper does.. This is one benefit of not having short circuits in the long run..

    • @sanchikrr
      @sanchikrr 3 роки тому

      Electrical wise, i do not recommend to have a solder on battery more than 3 secs as it will damage and discharge the battery..

    • @DrifterDc
      @DrifterDc 2 роки тому +1

      @@sunny_froyo maybe he doesn't have the spot welder, just want to use once it's not worth it to buy one for, just used what he already had 👍

  • @herenow2895
    @herenow2895 3 роки тому +7

    You can knacker an 18650 by applying heat to the middle of the negative end. Try and keep it the outside and use a spot welder to keep the heat to a minimum.
    You can make a good spot welder with a12v car battery, a momentary switch and a solenoid.

    • @junkvista61
      @junkvista61 Рік тому +1

      I saw a you tuber posted a video for this idea. Thank for remind me and I searching for it

    • @josh_ari
      @josh_ari Рік тому

      Yeah but he's gotta build the battery first before he can use one as a spot welder. 😆

    • @herenow2895
      @herenow2895 Рік тому

      @@josh_ari - A "car" battery for a spot welder. Not an 18650 battery.🤐

    • @josh_ari
      @josh_ari Рік тому

      @@herenow2895 you can't use a motorcycle battery?

    • @herenow2895
      @herenow2895 Рік тому +1

      @@josh_ari - Any 12v lead acid battery. The bigger it is, the more spot welds you can do.

  • @Denver1976Man
    @Denver1976Man 3 роки тому +4

    I made one for my 1500 cc bike. it is 7 yrs now and still strong. I.m thinking of capacitors next. they have gotten so much stronger.

  • @willacewallace5905
    @willacewallace5905 4 роки тому +8

    As much as you know about this stuff.... You really should be wearing PPE gear. Like when you hose out the battery box without eye protection.
    Next time just dump baking soda to neutralize the acid, then rinse with low pressure.

  • @doctordev97
    @doctordev97 4 роки тому +7

    as for those ring terminals. crimping is actually better for vehicles because vibration can cause solder to crack over time

    • @antonycarter8628
      @antonycarter8628 4 роки тому +3

      Devin May 100% agree....

    • @PhilNelson_internet_fossil
      @PhilNelson_internet_fossil 3 роки тому +2

      If my memory is good, it's been known for a long time (since around WWII) that crimp connectors, properly done, are superior. For speed (that helped us win the war, because the Germans were soldering their field phones, which takes longer) and resistance to flexing and vibration (because the spot where solder stop wicking up the wire is a transition from stranded wire to effectively solid wire, the strands break, one by one, at that point, from flexing).

    • @PhilNelson_internet_fossil
      @PhilNelson_internet_fossil 3 роки тому +2

      I'm sure I remember reading that crimp type connectors help win the war. Wikipedia says 1953, but, that could be when they went commercial, I guess.
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimp_(electrical)

    • @PaulSmithGsy
      @PaulSmithGsy 2 роки тому

      NASA found the same on spacecraft. Solder joints crack. Crimped ones don't, so they solder AND crimped all the connections!

  • @cruiser97eric1
    @cruiser97eric1 4 роки тому +13

    A battery balancer is not a complete BMS. The balancer has no way of cutting off the battery from the outside world like a complete BMS is able to. Because of that it does not keep the battery from over charging or over discharging and it does not protect against excessive charging current or excessive discharging current.

    • @diavolescaCZ
      @diavolescaCZ 4 роки тому

      @@electricalfive2248 And the solenoid will prottect he LiFePo cells against over/under discharge? No it won't... And the starter isn't the only thing drawing power.
      And that balancer he used has minimal balancing current. Better to use one of the cheap ACTIVE balancers.

    • @electricalfive2248
      @electricalfive2248 4 роки тому

      @@diavolescaCZ you're right, sorry

    • @diavolescaCZ
      @diavolescaCZ 4 роки тому

      @@electricalfive2248 no problem. You didn't call me stupid. I agree that a BMS for car starting currents would be very expensive. For a motorcycle it might not be a big problem

    • @OlperKeleman
      @OlperKeleman 3 роки тому +1

      Active balancers often take more quiescent current vs passive. This can make a difference when storing rhe battery over winter.

  • @alejandrovegarodriguez6422
    @alejandrovegarodriguez6422 Рік тому

    What a beautiful bike you have there! Good project, I will do it.

  • @FancyAnimal
    @FancyAnimal 3 роки тому +4

    These LiFEPO4 70 amp batteries are 7.50 each x 24 = $180 just for the batteries. You can buy a complete LiFEPO motorcycle battery from Shorai for $150.

    • @SergeyPRKL
      @SergeyPRKL 3 роки тому

      It's like me, that gets cells for free. ALso, with this you can hide entire battery inside a 1" frametube.

  • @dieselscience
    @dieselscience 2 роки тому +1

    My 1972 Triumph has a kick starter AND a battery... originally a LEAD ACID battery... oh, I forgot to mention I'm wrapping up my Master's in engineering. I have an unused, never filled, still sealed lead acid battery on the shelf waiting for a project.

  • @junkvista61
    @junkvista61 Рік тому

    Thanks, I plan to build one. I know this video is few years old so the links may be no longer good but if you just give them out as reference then help a lot of us.

  • @themonkeydrunken
    @themonkeydrunken 5 років тому +46

    This is a great list of what NOT to do when building a pack out of 18650s. Geez.

    • @CAGreve1231
      @CAGreve1231 4 роки тому +8

      Lithium Phosphate is much different than Lithium Ion. Much safer, and not flammable.

    • @mastermaximoo969
      @mastermaximoo969 4 роки тому +6

      Can you list what he did wrong?

    • @krlenjuska
      @krlenjuska 4 роки тому +8

      @@mastermaximoo969 soldering is first thing.

    • @dogdipstick
      @dogdipstick 4 роки тому +9

      @@mastermaximoo969 Solder, wrong tape, cheap bms weak connections and just about everything else. Never build a batt like this.

    • @SuperGrover
      @SuperGrover 4 роки тому +7

      Horror movie. At least neutralize the old batter acid with some baking soda. Imagine someone trying to copy this???

  • @blimpdude
    @blimpdude Рік тому

    Just found this video. Looking to make a battery for my rzr sxs but I have that exact same motorcycle. Mine is painted Black diamond. Just thought I would share. Nice video.

  • @fokkerschrauber
    @fokkerschrauber 9 місяців тому +1

    normaly u connect Plus first, then Ground, because of the possibility to make short with the Wrench to GND.

  • @quartzii_uwu
    @quartzii_uwu 4 роки тому +4

    I have an 3s 5p 16ah battery pack in my 50ccm scooter can also start an car :D bms with cutoff for safety and a modified charge limiter to 12.3v for not stressing the cells works perfect since last year

    • @abdodarwish3334
      @abdodarwish3334 3 роки тому +1

      Did you try it on a motorcycle and it worked ??How is the delivery

    • @quartzii_uwu
      @quartzii_uwu 3 роки тому +1

      @@abdodarwish3334 it still work well

    • @abdodarwish3334
      @abdodarwish3334 3 роки тому

      @@quartzii_uwu Possible pictures of the installation method, the board used, and whether the startup works on it directly. Thank you for your interest in responding

    • @quartzii_uwu
      @quartzii_uwu 3 роки тому +1

      @@abdodarwish3334 hey , it would be a mess to reach the charge controller you can also use normal 12.6v charge controller with a little bit of wiring theyill work also

    • @abdodarwish3334
      @abdodarwish3334 3 роки тому

      @@quartzii_uwu If a drawing or illustration is available for practical implementation

  • @ErnieScavinckyVideo
    @ErnieScavinckyVideo 5 років тому +2

    Ironically I was looking at doing this on my bike last week! Great tutorial Alex!

    • @hectormelendez968
      @hectormelendez968 4 роки тому

      Yes.... thinking just to add starting power to my Hayabusa, not completely replacing it. When my motor hot up, it hesitate for starting. I'm thinking to add some amps to fixing this inconvenience. How do I design it extra cells?

    • @mamun2a
      @mamun2a 4 роки тому

      @@hectormelendez968 replacing led acid battery is good decision

    • @jaromor8808
      @jaromor8808 3 роки тому +1

      _"Ironically"_
      maybe use such words only when you know their meaning...?

  • @szbalogh
    @szbalogh 4 роки тому +5

    Washing lead sulphate out the garden? Great idea.

  • @LilDefuseKit
    @LilDefuseKit 5 років тому +7

    Such a high quality video! Your channel is underrated

    • @wolfe1970
      @wolfe1970 3 роки тому

      Full of bullshit you mean, since when does a bike battery only last a few years.....

  • @PkwyDrive13
    @PkwyDrive13 4 роки тому +8

    Yeah... I'll just go buy a new battery.

  • @stighenningjohansen
    @stighenningjohansen Рік тому

    My new MC came with i Li battery., and it died after one year. The battery in my Honda SH-50 1986 is still working.. It started the moped in a pile
    of snow at -20C, so, I will by a lead acid battery for the MC

  • @daand12
    @daand12 3 роки тому +1

    Rather don't solder on them, few of mine vented during soldering. Ordered a spotwelder on AliExpress two weeks ago because of this. But the LifePO4 cells were a few years old already and holding between 1000-1200mah out of 1400.

  • @jarikinnunen1718
    @jarikinnunen1718 2 роки тому

    TX90 connectors are good for connect battery . It is very easy take along or use two separed battery. No any good reason use lead acid battery parts to make new.

  • @gerrymcerlean8432
    @gerrymcerlean8432 2 роки тому +4

    A LiFePO4 cell is more suitable (cheaper, and safer) to use for a car or motorcycle battery. The main reason is that the nominal voltage of this cell chemistry is 3.2V (12.8 V for 4 in series). A lead-acid battery has a nominal voltage of 13.6V. The motorcycle's charging voltage (usually 14.4V) is just perfect for LIFePO4 cells. The battery will not be over-charged. Also, the BMS you use should be rated for at least 100A output as he starter motor will draw around 100A. The one you used here looks too small.

    • @dushk0
      @dushk0 2 роки тому

      Lead acid nominal is 12 exactly iirc. With lifepo, the situation is that the nominal voltage is basically quite a discharged state. Whether that's good or bad, hard to tell but probably fine, as long as the alternator isn't faulty and provides sufficient voltage to actually charge it properly.

  • @edwardrharevichjr.8490
    @edwardrharevichjr.8490 5 років тому

    Sweet upgrade Alex. Just shared this to a bike forum I lurk on.

  • @gcgopro6912
    @gcgopro6912 Рік тому

    I have a lithium battery. This week I went to my bike and it started no problem, rode to a friend ten miles away came out and all electrics were dead as a dodo. Nothing, no lights on the display. I pressed the button on top of the battery - nothing. I tried to bump start it - no go. I thought this cannot be the battery, so it must be a circuit problem. I had to go back with a trailer.
    When I got home I put jump leads on the battery and it started. When in the garage I turned the key and the battery produce nothing, I pressed the button on the battery and behold it worked this time!
    I will never buy another lithium battery. If I had had an acid/lead battery it would not have started and then failed after the ride and caused me all this trouble and time wasted. Maybe they should supply jump leads when you buy the batteries, as you will need them!

  • @georgezibra
    @georgezibra 2 роки тому +1

    Hello, my question is about the charge that the batteries are taken from the motorbike alternator, does go through the BMS or direct to the poles of the battery? and is the bms only for balancing the pack? how much ampers is the pack receiving from the alternator, because the voltage logicaly must be from 13,8 - 14,4 if i am right!!! Thank you!

  • @magnusborresen1321
    @magnusborresen1321 Рік тому

    This is one of the biggest disregards to safety I have seen. The video is good quality and your explaining some aspects really well. In my opinion, batteries are extremely dangerous devices to start playing around with, especially for high current applications such as vehicle batteries. Starter motors draws hundreds of amps during vehicle startup and very simple mistakes can be costly. LiFePo4 are less susceptible to catch fire when used outside normal operating conditions than standard li-ion batteries. But you are basically telling people to start making their own batteries in the blind.
    Some problems I see, other than you not using safety equipment are:
    * You should be using a way bigger tip when soldering the batteries. This will provide a better heat transfer such that exposure time to the heat is minimized. And yes, overheating the batteries is important and you should pay attention. At the very least you could damage the cell.
    * You do not talk about dimensioning at all! You're just explaining what type of battery you buy and that people shouldn't trust the numbers in eBay ads. NEVER buy batteries from and unknown source. You have no idea what they are actually made of. Just by them from reputable brands and pay the 10-20% extra they cost.
    * Your BMS is BS. No talk about the dimensioning here either. You can't just go out and buy any old BMS for this type of problem. It needs to be able to handle the charging current and voltage. Which you don't talk about either. Vehicle do not output 12 V from the regulator/alternator combination but rather closer to 14.4V. Does your BMS has overvoltage protection? When does it cut off the charging? Over current protection? How does it balance the cells? It looks horribly small for a battery pack charged by a vehicle.
    * Lithium batteries are usually charges using a constant current and constant voltage. Your BMS will only provide somewhat constant voltage, depending on the output of the regulator of the vehicle.
    * I would also personally prefer to have fuses between the cells of the battery such that shorts in one cell does not affect the others.
    There might be other issues that I have missed. Please, do not build a battery pack on the basis of this video.

  • @yannicktherrien9084
    @yannicktherrien9084 3 роки тому +6

    Hello, since your video is 2 years old, I guess it is a good time length test. Does it still work, and do you still recommand it ?

  • @shaegrover9516
    @shaegrover9516 4 роки тому +1

    Something I feel needs to be mentioned. This battery is MUCH LIGHTER than Lead or AGM. A similar name brand lithium motorcycle battery is $159-$225 (antigravity).

    • @chrishart8548
      @chrishart8548 4 роки тому +2

      And the anti gravity is about 1/3 of the ah too. A 6.5ah antigravity replaces a 12-14ah lead acid. Lithium batterys love to hide AH and just boasts about CCA

  • @badhonebrahim7707
    @badhonebrahim7707 4 роки тому +1

    So we'll explained just wouldve been gr8 if u could zoom in a little bit when u were soldering the bms.

  • @scottduede8134
    @scottduede8134 3 роки тому +4

    You built something really awesome here. I'm going to copy this, with the only difference being in battery size: I'll use 26650 instead of 18650.

    • @highervoltage5430
      @highervoltage5430  3 роки тому +5

      I use 26650's mostly now as well. They are easier to come by and have higher capacity and discharge rates.

    • @mandysantos3677
      @mandysantos3677 2 роки тому

      32650 is much better.

    • @sped105
      @sped105 Рік тому

      @@highervoltage5430 How are they easier to come by then 18650?

  • @triadwarfare
    @triadwarfare 4 роки тому +3

    Thanks, I was looking for this instruction specifically, as I only found instructions for cars or e-bikes. I'll definitely try this once my maintenance free battery goes to sh*t.
    However, I'll also try to apply some lessons from other channels like using a spot welder.

  • @jameswyatt1304
    @jameswyatt1304 3 роки тому +1

    If you disconnect ground first and connect ground last, then a wrench/screwdriver accident between positive and chassis isn't so spectacular. You can guess how I've learned this...

    • @dalesworld1308
      @dalesworld1308 3 роки тому +1

      Yes. 'Last on, first off' is good practice.

  • @knicklicht7945
    @knicklicht7945 2 роки тому

    Connecting the plus terminal first is the right way ! Minus dosent go first!

  • @3613jeremy
    @3613jeremy Рік тому

    I'm tempted to try this in all of Yamaha wisdom they used a 14b mini-bike battery to crank over my 1900cc V-twin the highest peak output or CCA is 210 with the yuasa AGM battery at $140 if they would of allowed 1/2" more room for the battery it would of made this so much easier

    • @highervoltage5430
      @highervoltage5430  Рік тому

      Be aware that lithium batteries do NOT like cold weather. The cold cranking amps drop to less than half if it is below 70 degrees outside.

    • @3613jeremy
      @3613jeremy Рік тому +1

      @@highervoltage5430 unfortunately the lipo battery at half is still more then the full AGM battery it has room for

  • @moronanticriss
    @moronanticriss 4 роки тому

    So no bike this day :-)
    Looking to buid small one for my 2t ktm, not for weight but power. I run added 40w led light for night riding.
    Thanks for video.

  • @DavieCalifornia
    @DavieCalifornia 3 роки тому +2

    After 10 years of living in Germany I'm absolutely horrified at the idea of just dumping battery acid on your lawn. No no no noooo.

  • @josephxanthopoulos
    @josephxanthopoulos 3 роки тому

    Do NOT try this, if you don't know the risks and you don't know how to use the tools. If you are not sure..............just go to a battery store :) . safety first.
    Ps: I'm electronic engineer , not a battery seller . And this video is perfect ! Well done Alex.

  • @joelfiat147
    @joelfiat147 4 дні тому

    what BMS you choose ( Amperage)?

  • @WSturme93
    @WSturme93 3 роки тому +1

    Did you do anything to the alternator on the bike to protect the battery? Or does the bms do all the work?

    • @highervoltage5430
      @highervoltage5430  3 роки тому +1

      You don't have to do anything. a 4 cell LiFe battery is capable of 14.8 volts without damage. Most alternators have a voltage cut off between 13.2 and 13.6 volts.

  • @sonerkol
    @sonerkol Рік тому

    Mey friend good for you. but my bike battery ytx12bs 12v 12ah.. buuut Cca: 180AH.. (Cold cranking amps - CCA).. Cold cranking amps (CCA) - CCA is critical to the ability to start the vehicle when the engine is cold. The number of amps a battery at 0 degrees Fahrenheit can deliver for 30 seconds until the battery voltage drops to an unusable level. And this one BMS blow up...
    AND in this case the BMs also blow fuses.. Even if I use a high amperage bms...What do you think I should do in this situation?

  • @supercomtesse5050
    @supercomtesse5050 3 роки тому

    Merci super vidéo

  • @3536satyam
    @3536satyam 3 роки тому

    Excellent 👍

  • @jeffmontag8155
    @jeffmontag8155 4 роки тому +4

    Bone dry standard battery? Maybe if you had added water when necessary and kept it charged, you wouldn't have to spend valuable riding time making one.

  • @mingonmongo1
    @mingonmongo1 4 роки тому

    Straightforward and nicely explained... well-done, thx! Would be curious re: the total cost, especially compared to say, a similar capacity conventional LI battery?

    • @sanchikrr
      @sanchikrr 3 роки тому

      You can buy lithium batts from ebay or chinese store.. And they sell super cheap for the battery cells...
      An average good Lead acid batts are sold around USD 100 (E.g: YTX10)
      And a branded Lithium batts (E.g: Skyrich) USD220.
      DIY Lithium should cost ard USD 80 max...

  • @alaricace8118
    @alaricace8118 Рік тому

    Hi, Do you have any update on this battery pack?

  • @xgamerbih
    @xgamerbih 3 роки тому +1

    Don’t solder cells. Use a spot welder. Heat damages the cells

    • @thirtythreeeyes8624
      @thirtythreeeyes8624 3 роки тому

      Life batteries are more tolerant but, even li-ion getting damaged by soldering is mostly a myth unless you hold the iron on there for a a good minute.

  • @martysmith2422
    @martysmith2422 4 роки тому +6

    "Dont worry about overheating the cell" LOL damn. Soldering like that basically ruins your cells.They might work for a while but yeah, that chemistry degrades fast under high temp.

    • @jonny95210
      @jonny95210 4 роки тому

      “Get the battery good and hot” lol WUT?!

    • @eivis13
      @eivis13 4 роки тому

      @@jonny95210 i see you missed a word there frieend. You can't go storing energy without pads.

    • @eivis13
      @eivis13 4 роки тому

      That sentance is true if you get yourself a quickly heating soldering iron or do it at high temps. Using welding is preffered mostly because it is safer to do so, faster, cheaper and no blm kids will try and use cheap 10-20w soldering irons to do so. I'd say you need at least a 60w soldering iron to solder and a small fan cooling the cell it self to do it safely, but then again i made only 1 pack like that. The other i tried making was welded with super caps, a solenoid and with observation. 1st one works nicely, bit less of a charge than it should, but i take it the charging controller shuts off any current at ~16v and not higher. The second one is still to be used, it's ment for a lifepo4 supercap lead acid replacement battery. Was thinking of making every connection with brass nuts and bolts but after 3 montha of waiting for the nuts and bolts i'm gonna have to rethink that bit.

  • @siewchong
    @siewchong 4 роки тому

    Hello Alex, the fpv cloverleaf antenna maker 😄

  • @koningbolo4700
    @koningbolo4700 2 роки тому +1

    I have a 6v motorcycle without a starter.. What configuration of 18650's or other cells do you recommend?

    • @sssxxxttt
      @sssxxxttt 2 роки тому

      I also have an old 6V, no starter machine. Headlight is 35W, tail and number light 5W and I want to remember the ignition is like 25 W. The system needs to handle a bit above 10 A. I guess two 18650 cells In series would be enough? Maybe parallel that for a lite more capacity.

  • @lonniestutler313
    @lonniestutler313 3 роки тому

    Sounds good. So here's the but. What about your stater, and charging in cold weather. Can these charge frozen.

  • @MWhite-dv1uu
    @MWhite-dv1uu 5 років тому +9

    Is charging voltage important? How will lifepo4 be different than lead I regard to the stator/rectifier system?
    Thanks again!

    • @trondwell13
      @trondwell13 4 роки тому

      yes - never overvolt and avoid discharging completely - check your bike charging voltage does not exceed 14.5-15v

    • @trondwell13
      @trondwell13 4 роки тому +2

      lighter - high power - low stamina - fast recharge - fragile but potentially longer life if looked after - NOT GOOD if bike has a parasitic current draw

    • @CAGreve1231
      @CAGreve1231 4 роки тому

      @@trondwell13 - Hit the nail on the head with this comment!

  • @shindvs
    @shindvs Рік тому

    Why not use 32659 3.2volt 6000ma battery BMS around 49 amp

  • @maatiraouki9124
    @maatiraouki9124 Рік тому

    merci

  • @ggtr0nic
    @ggtr0nic 5 років тому

    cool ...excellent DiY video !

  • @changchung
    @changchung 2 роки тому

    Nice. Old but good video. I wondering about the solder iron? How many watts it is? Where you get it?

  • @the1spyderryder
    @the1spyderryder 4 роки тому +1

    Great Video, and Great project! Question, shouldn't each cell be managed? Not sure how that would be done on parallel packs. Ok it seems that you are using 3X8 cell pack, is that right? How long has it been since you built this pack, and is it still working and have you had to charge it? Wont the BMS also protect the battery pack from discharging below a point that will damage the cells? Thanks

    • @dushk0
      @dushk0 2 роки тому

      3x8 or 8x3? Not hard to figure out which...

  • @ytundefined
    @ytundefined 5 років тому

    Nice one! Thanks!

  • @dariusm1142
    @dariusm1142 Рік тому

    Great video. I'd like to make this. As I try to buy 18650s I'm finding they come in different amperages (2500mAh, 3500mAh, etc.). Just wondering what was the amperages of the 18650s used in this video? Same goes for the BMS. I'm finding em for sale everywhere from 4s-2500mA to 4s-3500mA.

  • @hellishgrin4604
    @hellishgrin4604 4 роки тому +2

    A flooded lead acid battery for a CB 750 is what $50 minimum? Most 18650s LiFe batteries i've seen go for about $45 per 24. When you factor in the other components, how much did you end up saving? Not to mention time, energy, skill, safety, tools, etc. Why not just buy an AGM? Or find a way to rig a regular rc car battery pack?

    • @shaegrover9516
      @shaegrover9516 4 роки тому

      From all the research I haven't done yet I believe a ton of RC car batteries aren't 12 volt. They'll obviously have one or two. So if you find out why not comment below.

    • @hellishgrin4604
      @hellishgrin4604 4 роки тому +1

      shae grover I'm sorry, I should have clarified. I was referring to the11.1v 3 cell Lipo battery backs with a nominal charge voltage of around 12.6v commonly used in rc aircraft and cars. However, LiFe are probably still ideal for long term storage use without proper maintenance like an inexpensive trickle charger you would use on a lead acid. Li-Fe (I forget how many cells these typically have) packs are around 6.6v with a 7.2v nominal charge, as described in the video, this is a fairly useful range if you were to use them in a series configuration.
      Of coarse lithium Ion like they use in the real motorcycle batteries would be even less expensive than the already cheap LiPo, but they tend to have a shorter shelf life and faster self discharge rate if i'm not mistaken.
      But it does all come down to wether or not you properly maintain a battery. Trickle charging, indoor storage, and observing fluid levels if it's a flooded battery, will certainly improve the life expectancy. Of course AGM is still better in almost every way compared to flooded.

  • @Jawst
    @Jawst Рік тому

    Checkout some of Big Clives videos! Some really good information about why you shouldn't overcharge lithium batteries! You don't want to set your balls on fire!!!

  • @idus
    @idus 4 місяці тому

    why a 4s? It seems it wont fully charge being 16.8 full and 12v dead. I suppose if it works its worth a try. my alternator only goes to about 14.5v max.

    • @idus
      @idus 4 місяці тому

      LiFePO4 I get it now. 14v max and 11 dead for a 4s.

  • @MWhite-dv1uu
    @MWhite-dv1uu 5 років тому +1

    Cool info! Is making sure the cells aren't moving around in the old case important?

    • @highervoltage5430
      @highervoltage5430  5 років тому +1

      Not really. I made a motorcycle battery where the cells bounced around the box and it has been ok. It is best to put a little styrofoam or other material in the battery to give it some dampening, but unless the battery gets slammed down hard, it doesn't really matter.

  • @charlieball9569
    @charlieball9569 3 роки тому

    So, you just wire this battery up and go? Doesn't this type of battery install require an upgrade to the regulator rectifier?

  • @28universe
    @28universe Рік тому

    you can use 32650 instead.

  • @devanpina8236
    @devanpina8236 4 роки тому +1

    Where e re did you get the cells

  • @DT-gun
    @DT-gun 5 років тому +3

    Could this be scaled up to work for a car battery?

    • @highervoltage5430
      @highervoltage5430  5 років тому +2

      Yes. I would go 4S/10P. The battery will likely last as long as the car.

    • @klinikdarajat1243
      @klinikdarajat1243 4 роки тому

      can the battery pack placed in engine bay?

  • @andretait2817
    @andretait2817 3 роки тому

    What I sawder?

  • @antonycarter8628
    @antonycarter8628 4 роки тому +1

    Nice video.... But do some more research before copying..... Especially on h&s and insulating batteries

  • @mrboombasticromantic
    @mrboombasticromantic 3 роки тому

    Are there any issues with floating the charge for it?
    And if resistors are dissipating excess charging current in BMS module how it is exhanged out of the battery box?

  • @RoopeshShah
    @RoopeshShah 2 роки тому

    I can get some decent 32650 batteries. You think I can get away using just 12 of these in place of 24 18650 batteries?

  • @sorri7218
    @sorri7218 Рік тому

    first of all never turn on headlight or any light before starting up your motorcycle. always start your bike first and give a little rav than turn on the lights this ill keep your battery healthy

    • @Daschickenify
      @Daschickenify Рік тому

      That's not possible on newer bikes sold in the U.S., when you turn the key, the lights come on. There is no switch.

    • @highervoltage5430
      @highervoltage5430  Рік тому

      Yep. Headlight always on. Required on every bike made after 1978.

  • @martinwhite418
    @martinwhite418 2 роки тому

    RUN.

  • @ReQuiem_2099
    @ReQuiem_2099 3 роки тому +1

    Awesome! Just one thing, as a definitely-not-electrician, is there a good place to get the required battery details to match our bike specifications? I’m pretty sure that my 373cc single cylinder wouldn’t need the same Voltage/Amperage

    • @gerrymcerlean8432
      @gerrymcerlean8432 2 роки тому

      I'm pretty sure it would.

    • @officialmysteriousrider130
      @officialmysteriousrider130 2 роки тому

      Just use a 12v rotary tool battery does same job and cheaper you can also put it inside the original battery like he did in the video. You'll also have a charger that comes with it that way with a bit of modification

  • @ronanrogers4127
    @ronanrogers4127 2 роки тому

    Tell me this battery is still working today, because my guess is that it’s not.

  • @joesam8113
    @joesam8113 4 роки тому

    Hi want to know for 12v 6ah 10hr to concert lithium battery how much 18650 battery do i need. and can i know what kind of bms do i need. tq

  • @highlanderoutsider5259
    @highlanderoutsider5259 3 роки тому

    Or you could just connect a battery maintainer to your battery if you know your over wintering it.

  • @abdodarwish3334
    @abdodarwish3334 2 роки тому

    How was the experience so far and what happened to the batteries??

  • @mamun2a
    @mamun2a 4 роки тому +1

    Im working to build one for my bike, but controlling rectifier volt is delaying me.. Im waiting for a circuit from aliexpress to fit it. I dont know how u manage rectifier volt??

    • @AndreBezanson
      @AndreBezanson 3 роки тому

      You need a lithium ion friendly regulator that you can replace your stock regulator with

  • @mitropoulosilias
    @mitropoulosilias 3 роки тому

    have you checked cells voltage after a year of so?

  • @thamomentum
    @thamomentum 5 років тому

    You're a wizard

  • @GogogoFolowMe
    @GogogoFolowMe 4 роки тому

    I don't know what you do when wintering your batteries, but mine held its charge since I bought the bike 5 years ago and is officially dead this spring. Of course last season it was a little weak but only 2-3 year is very underestimated...

    • @highervoltage5430
      @highervoltage5430  4 роки тому +1

      Depends on the bike, battery, and care. In a warm garage, 4-5 years is possible. However, if you have ever owned a BMW motorcycle, 2 years is the best you get from a battery. However, my lithium batteries have been going on 8 years now.

    • @GogogoFolowMe
      @GogogoFolowMe 4 роки тому +1

      @@highervoltage5430 Do these bikes tend to have electrical leak of some sort ? Or is the battery undersized and the high demanding cranking is what kills it ?

    • @cruiser97eric1
      @cruiser97eric1 4 роки тому

      As you can see in the video, his battery had no little or no electrolyte when he tried emptying it on the grass. He forgot to add water to the cells and that is probably why the battery was dead. Unless it was an AGM type, in which case the electrolyte was trapped in a glass mat between the plates.

  • @markimark5102
    @markimark5102 4 роки тому

    I am using 32650 lifepo4=)

  • @timpoiu
    @timpoiu 3 роки тому

    I think its better to use lithium iron phosphate 18650 HIGH DRAIN , high drain is for turning motors. Also you could just get a maintenance charger for the bike in storage, this will extend the life of a lead acid battery by years. And no safety glasses is just unwise. plastic safety glasses are about $3 at hardware stores.

  • @defylifeadventure
    @defylifeadventure 3 роки тому

    What happens on a motorcycle when the BMS cuts the charge from the stator? With a conventional alternator that would destroy the alternator. Instead you'd do it by cutting the field wire. How does this compare the charging system on a bike?

    • @TheGuruStud
      @TheGuruStud 2 роки тому

      It's not since it's directly connected to the battery.

  • @ramargate
    @ramargate 4 роки тому

    Nice

  • @TheresTyrannyAfoot
    @TheresTyrannyAfoot 2 роки тому

    I just finished a 4s 10p with USB so I can charge my phone in my tent

  • @slick1908
    @slick1908 3 роки тому

    The reason people use lead acid is because they work no matter the temperature outside. Lithium batteries cannot be charged below 0 celsius, otherwise you will destroy them. So you better use another battery if you want to start your bike during winter.

    • @Rebel635csi
      @Rebel635csi 3 роки тому

      think about what you just said....motorcycle, start it below 0C....99% of motorcycle riders park their bikes during winter...so charging the battery below 0C is not really an issue if its in storage.

    • @slick1908
      @slick1908 3 роки тому

      @@Rebel635csi parking it does not mean you don't start the engine at all at least once a month for a few minutes

    • @Rebel635csi
      @Rebel635csi 3 роки тому +1

      @@slick1908 worst thing you can do actually. Running an engine without getting the oil hot enough to burn off the moisture introduces more acidity to the oil, more condensation build up in the engine and exhaust and does nothing to prolong the life. Best thing to do is leave it alone, pull the battery and don’t touch it till spring.

    • @slick1908
      @slick1908 3 роки тому

      @@Rebel635csi You might be right on this one I'm not going to argue. What about overheating? Lithium requires special chargers, the same as in phones that will adjust the amperage according to battery voltage otherwise heat and fireworks may occur, an alternator is not designed for that. Adding that to the fact the battery sits next to an internal combustion engine, things are not looking well

    • @Rebel635csi
      @Rebel635csi 3 роки тому +1

      @@slick1908 commercial lifepo4 batteries are available. Lifepo4 charging curve is so similar to lead acid other than not requiring a float charge that it’s not an issue. Engine bay heat affects the lead acid batteries just as much as lifepo4. The only reason they aren’t used widespread is cost. They also are great for high current inrush for their weight and size but their amp hours are still low. So accidentally leaving lights on will drain them much faster.

  • @byshasshop2097
    @byshasshop2097 3 роки тому

    what is output voltage of your batteries

  • @dancrawford174
    @dancrawford174 3 роки тому

    Nice looking Nighthawk 650, what year is that one?

  • @rustusandroid
    @rustusandroid 3 роки тому

    Just lay that 400 degree iron right on that battery huh... wow.

  • @razibuiu1
    @razibuiu1 5 років тому +1

    My Bike Battery spec is 12V 5Ah. Can i use this battery in my Bike

    • @mamun2a
      @mamun2a 4 роки тому +1

      Yes, u can

  • @DiegoPocovi
    @DiegoPocovi 5 років тому

    Hi Alex please questions/help 1-Why you choose LIFE instead of LI-Ion? because the voltage 3.2 vs 3.7? Are the main leads connected to the balancer ? it gives you enough amps? instead of direct to the battery? and use balancer for charge only? Thanks.

    • @trondwell13
      @trondwell13 4 роки тому

      flammability

    • @DiegoPocovi
      @DiegoPocovi 4 роки тому +1

      @@trondwell13 thanks, a bit late but good. I built mine few weeks ago, thanks.

  • @parengjongs350
    @parengjongs350 3 роки тому

    why not lithion ion?

  • @thirtythreeeyes8624
    @thirtythreeeyes8624 3 роки тому

    Any info on weight?