Actually, there wasn't a compound on the express. The Wikipedia article about the Hawes Junction rail crash has the type of engines involved listed. I found more details with some research. The express was a pair of engines, a Kirtley 2-4-0 and the other a Johnson Class 2 4-4-0, 48 and 549. The light engines were also Johnson Class 2 4-4-0s, 448 and 548. 448 was from Johnson's 2203 Class 548 and 549 were from Johnson's 60 Class No clue what the exact class of the 2-4-0 was, Kirtley 2-4-0 does little to narrow it down and I couldn't find any info on any with the number of 48.
@@godzillahomeraccording to my research, it was 2 MR class 2 4-4-0s as the light engines, and the express locos were a class 800 2-4-0 and another class 2
I just realized in spite of the song saying from the man who condemns it's putting blame on the guy who has no control over the idiots who are driving the engines The engineer is at fault for this because he would have known the timetable and therefore he would know that an express train would be barreling down any minute and will not do the foolish maneuver of bringing 2 slow shunting engines onto the main line
Yes, however, the signalman forgets about the light engine, giving out the mainline. In addition, the crew of the express were late, so the timetable was out of the picture in terms of knowing what time the express were arriving. We must remember that this was 1910, so now means of calculating how late a service was efficiently. However I do see your point. As much as the crews were at fault, the signalman was too.
@@jackminett768 Well I mean I know that it says it but at the same time there's a timetable there's a schedule You have to remember that kind of thing yes the signal man had forgotten about the light engines but at the same time they should have known about the train
Basically both the 'bobby' (signalman) and the light engine crews were to blame - the light engines for forgetting to go and remind the signalman they were there, and the latter for forgetting about them. Long duty hours, heavy Christmas Eve traffic, extra light engine movements and, importantly no 'collars' on his levers to remind him the engines were there. Of the men involved, the signalman was the most culpable and, to his credit, never shirked from admitting his mistake or blaming others. (Go, tell the stationmaster, I am afraid I have wrecked the Scots Express.) Its very easy for those of us who weren't there, living the moments, to make judgements........
The express in question was over 15 minutes behind schedule, and the light engines had been expecting a go-ahead for 20 minutes. In the accident investigation the blame was laid with both the signalman and the engineers of the light engines as the signalman should have been aware of their presence and they should have alerted him to it after waiting for such a long time. That being said the characterization of them being condemned is still inaccurate anyway as both of the engineers in the light engines survived, one of them was blown clear from the wreckage and limped over a mile to the next signal box to call for help.
I love your videos! My favourite of the videos are probably the office fire drill and the day we run away but this is definitely up there Amazing work! :]
Amazing layout + Models, and as always your adaptations are great! As for suggestions, 'Eight frieght blues' and 'Night Frieght' are two songs are I think would work great in model form
Thank you 😁 sadly the layout isnt mine but thank you 😁 eight freight is the next to be filmed (tonight) and I’ll listen to the night freight later to see if I can 😁👍
@@castielsosa8512Innit bro it’s like £80 in the Uk for a beginner Hornby train set😭😭 And the average models alone are at least over £100 I hate inflation
Hawes Junction - similar in that it was a rear collision, primarily due to the Midland's 'small engine' policy, and poor quality coal. Two expresses, following one another down the line; the first stalled, shy of steam because of the lousy coal and no one thought to go back with detonators. The following train was also struggling with poor coal and a defective injector - driver and his mate distracted, and pitched straight into the first one, followed by a fire. @@SSR_YT-lil
1:21 gives me chills, these adaptations are awesome 👏🏻
Excellent, behind eight freight blues ais gill is my favourite goulder song. Keep up the magnificent work!
it is one of best songs ever made and your adaptation makes it even greater
Thank you for introducing me to David Goulder
You’re welcome 😁
The locomotives and coaches shown weren't around in 1910. The express loco was most probably a Midland Compound
Actually, there wasn't a compound on the express. The Wikipedia article about the Hawes Junction rail crash has the type of engines involved listed. I found more details with some research.
The express was a pair of engines, a Kirtley 2-4-0 and the other a Johnson Class 2 4-4-0, 48 and 549. The light engines were also Johnson Class 2 4-4-0s, 448 and 548.
448 was from Johnson's 2203 Class
548 and 549 were from Johnson's 60 Class
No clue what the exact class of the 2-4-0 was, Kirtley 2-4-0 does little to narrow it down and I couldn't find any info on any with the number of 48.
@@godzillahomeraccording to my research, it was 2 MR class 2 4-4-0s as the light engines, and the express locos were a class 800 2-4-0 and another class 2
excellent video, model scale superb, and the song as "bonus"
Congratulations 👍👏
My favourite song on the album, so glad this is getting the representation it needs
I just realized in spite of the song saying from the man who condemns it's putting blame on the guy who has no control over the idiots who are driving the engines The engineer is at fault for this because he would have known the timetable and therefore he would know that an express train would be barreling down any minute and will not do the foolish maneuver of bringing 2 slow shunting engines onto the main line
Yes, however, the signalman forgets about the light engine, giving out the mainline. In addition, the crew of the express were late, so the timetable was out of the picture in terms of knowing what time the express were arriving. We must remember that this was 1910, so now means of calculating how late a service was efficiently. However I do see your point. As much as the crews were at fault, the signalman was too.
@@jackminett768 Well I mean I know that it says it but at the same time there's a timetable there's a schedule You have to remember that kind of thing yes the signal man had forgotten about the light engines but at the same time they should have known about the train
Basically both the 'bobby' (signalman) and the light engine crews were to blame - the light engines for forgetting to go and remind the signalman they were there, and the latter for forgetting about them. Long duty hours, heavy Christmas Eve traffic, extra light engine movements and, importantly no 'collars' on his levers to remind him the engines were there. Of the men involved, the signalman was the most culpable and, to his credit, never shirked from admitting his mistake or blaming others. (Go, tell the stationmaster, I am afraid I have wrecked the Scots Express.) Its very easy for those of us who weren't there, living the moments, to make judgements........
This is about a real wreck where the signalman was deemed at fault
The express in question was over 15 minutes behind schedule, and the light engines had been expecting a go-ahead for 20 minutes. In the accident investigation the blame was laid with both the signalman and the engineers of the light engines as the signalman should have been aware of their presence and they should have alerted him to it after waiting for such a long time.
That being said the characterization of them being condemned is still inaccurate anyway as both of the engineers in the light engines survived, one of them was blown clear from the wreckage and limped over a mile to the next signal box to call for help.
What song is next? Man who put the engine in the chip shop? Big Bertha? Eight freight blues?
Eight freight blues should hopefully be the one, though it’s been delayed due to an engine malfunction
@@thehorrocksbranch9888 oh dear
@@TheLostGamerManoh dear indeed
They did all of them that you listed I think
@@F4productions4072 Not Race to the north.
Imagine being in the engine and you see a Dutchess right behind you at max speed.
Reminds me of the Charfield crash of 1928 which had more or less the same circumstances.
It seems like theres still lots of Dave Goulder songs for me to hear then, the visuals here are excellent as always!
Thank you 😁
Good song
In my opinion I'd love to see the race to the north, one of my fav songs from the album
That is one I have been warming up to ten more I listen so there’s a possibility of yes 👍
id love if you made "the dinosaur the railway left behind", thats my fav
I was thinking of that one just today
I love your videos!
My favourite of the videos are probably the office fire drill and the day we run away but this is definitely up there
Amazing work! :]
Thank you very much 😁
@@thehorrocksbranch9888 you are very welcome!
Keep up the grind 👍🏾
Amazing layout + Models, and as always your adaptations are great!
As for suggestions, 'Eight frieght blues' and 'Night Frieght' are two songs are I think would work great in model form
Thank you 😁 sadly the layout isnt mine but thank you 😁 eight freight is the next to be filmed (tonight) and I’ll listen to the night freight later to see if I can 😁👍
I love the arrest who wrote the song and you did great making it come alive
Thank you very much 😁
How many engines do you have on the horraks branch line?
Probably just over 60 including some older models
@@thehorrocksbranch9888that is not enough engines you should get the total to 100.
@@Fives-5555-i4r ,dawg ho-scale/oo-scale trains are expensive💀😭✋🙏🙏
@@castielsosa8512Innit bro it’s like £80 in the Uk for a beginner Hornby train set😭😭
And the average models alone are at least over £100
I hate inflation
How about a video on like, rescue and repair. Or maybe another song, those are good. Especially this one.
But yeah, you do great work lad.
I’ll have a look into it, thank you 👍
Rescue and repair?
Rescue and repair, you know, when an engine with a heavy goods for example crashes, what do they do?
@@cmc9775 oh okay I get you, yes I was going to do a video kind of like that so yes I’ll try and see if I can 👍
And three years later there was yet another train crash at ais gill
Really? What crash?
The more popular one
Hawes Junction - similar in that it was a rear collision, primarily due to the Midland's 'small engine' policy, and poor quality coal. Two expresses, following one another down the line; the first stalled, shy of steam because of the lousy coal and no one thought to go back with detonators. The following train was also struggling with poor coal and a defective injector - driver and his mate distracted, and pitched straight into the first one, followed by a fire. @@SSR_YT-lil
Eight Freight Blues, please!
Filming that in a few hours 👍
Hey, can you make a music video called the man who the engine in the chip shop, please?
Indeed, going to work on that on Friday, not sure on when I can get it out though
The signal man must have felt Guilty
Another great video and one of my favourite songs by Dave Goulder! Do you think you could do either Over the Hills or Maybe Tomorrow by Terry Bush?
I can certainly have a look and try 😁
@@thehorrocksbranch9888 Thanks.
Bertha would be great to bank railtours and freight trains up lickey, unfortunately that’ll never happen
Hell why not let her pull them!
@@datguymiller because she was scrapped back in the 50s
Can you do the end of the pinxton line after 8 freight blues please?
I can see if I can yes 😁
@@thehorrocksbranch9888 thank you so much mate and try not to get rushed off your wheels if you know what I mean.
Indeed I do 😂 there may be one or two before pixton though I do believe it will be one to come out soon
This ones a good one how about thinking of interpreting THE CARNFORTH SONG.
That one im not 100% sure on, I’ll go through the song and see what engines I’m missing and such but I’ll have a go 👍
@@thehorrocksbranch9888 maybe you can do that later if you have the right models
Right chaps, time to put the engine in the chip shop.
Soon lads, soon 🥳
Can you do the fireman’s lament or night freight?
I can check out both 😁
The man who put the engine in the chip or eight freight blues
He said eigt freight blues on a comment
*eight
Theres one called the turntable crash or smmthing
Correct
Hi
It called the turntable song
Yup that one is also in my channel, already adapted 😁
@@thehorrocksbranch9888 ok
You should do Big Bertha
May wait till the KR models one comes out for that, or till I get a model of her
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