Amazing metal Guttering
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- Опубліковано 3 вер 2022
- We are doing the metal guttering installation at the big build. We are using a superior gutter that will last far longer than cheap plastic and will look amazing
But the real big difference with this gutter installation is that we can deal with far more rainwater to keep the fabric of the building protected
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These roll form gutters have been used in Canada & USA for 50 years. The leaf guard cover is a recent development and essential if trees are nearby. Robin’s round downspout & symetrical attachment method is aesthetically superior and allows better drainage performance than the square downspouts used on this side of the pond. These are the small details that matter. The end user may not have the vocabulary to appreciate this level of craftsmanship, but they will know the difference because everything just looks right as it should be. Outstanding Craftsmanship. Hope the owner has a Tool Box Party to thank all who worked on this project c/w BBQ & Bubbles etc.
I fitted seamless aluminium gutters in South Africa 25 years ago. The machine hasn’t changed a bit in that time. 😱
It’s so different in every country. We don’t have rollers in Australia. We’re getting it in the year 2047. However, we’ve had left gutter guard for about 25 years due to the risk of bush fires. We also have a reg where the gutters must be 10mm from the fascia board to prevent flooding of the eaves.
@@didjwentworth5778 Roll formed gutters have been in Australia for many years. You might want to investigate. For high risk fire zones have a look at code changes to construction in California & new fire prevention products used.
Can't wait to see a full long video of the whole build ... soooo much great content to re watch again. Super important points on water removal and here where I live also very dry and can collect the water ... BLOWS MY MIND that some places in the world don't allow rain barrels. Thanks again for showing us all the details of this glorious build.
*barrels
Such a shame the rainwater is not harvested for use either in the house but definitely for the garden…. Makes a big difference for your building regulations compliance as well.
Great video, thanks Richard and Robin !!!!
Great finish to a fantastic build. Well done everyone involved.
When I came off the tools because of my back I went into sales and sold seamless and roofline, fascia, soffits, cladding in Bourton on the Water, when with customers I used to tell them " after they told me they had a quote for plastic" " well plastic is guaranteed to leak" and they went " really? " so I took a plastic straight joint connecter from my bag and pointed out the rubber gaskets as being like tap washers and after a few years of hard winters, frost, snow etc, they perished ( very true) and that's when you get the drip, drip, drip, just like a tap, ( that's what ours are doing now in a couple of places)" well with our seamless it's guaranteed not to leak"😊, that usually sealed a sale, where I'd get the fascias n soffits as well on a lot of occasions😊
Nice one!!
Hey Robin..... perfect timing..... Sunday dinner finished, dishes cleared...... now for a cup.of coffee and another masterclass in perfection no doubt....... keep up the good work 👏
That’s awesome, great setup
Wow nice job
That's such a great idea. The end result looks so sleek.
Fab - now I can see it's much better to replace than paint!! Cheers for this, Robin & Richard.
The building it' self is a very nice contrast and colourful
Good looking job 🔨
When I lived in Canada we done a big cedar shingle roof,they installed a copper seamless gutter it looked amazing
It looks absolutely cracking
U make everything so simple. I no I keep saying it. But mate. LOVE UR WORK. PS. THE HOUSE LOOKS FANTASTIC. THANK U FOR SHARING.
Great transformer from a great machine. 👍👍👍
Excelente trabajo 👊 💯
"So you make an approximation on the length do you?"..... I can hear the anxiety in your voice when you ask that. Inspirational videos as always. Please keep them coming
What an amazing system. I can't believe he did all that without gloves. My hands would have be in shreds.
You take more care without gloves...
Pretty standard quad gutter that is used a lot in Oz. That is a normal size. They also do deep flow versions. We don't extrude on-site but can buy pretty long lengths so fewer joins. End caps the same outlets the same called droppers. You can buy pre made internal and external corners but the pros usually cut and fold their own. Downpipe every 6M max. Ours mostly have storm outlet holes along the front to help release the water outwards at a certain level to stop flow back into house. Don't do soakaways. Too much water. If no storm drains then to ground. Or as at my place to tanks as rainwater is all we have. Go a bit further North to the tropics often no gutters as they just don't cope.
hello robin i have been watching the big build from the begining .....i salute you for a 1st class job from old building to new ..as they say if you maintain level , plumb and square every job turns out to be near purfect ...well done to you sir cant wait for the next project
Longest we did was a 150m piece on a barn. These gutters never would take off in the uk due to the height and close proximity of houses making ladders very difficult to use. Scaffolding would render the job too expensive
Absolutely love your channel Robin, from a younger joiner in the UK 💪🏼👌🏼
Wow I like that brilliant
Great video. Installed aluminium guttering this weekend - Vintage Ogee colour matched to my windows and facia RAL 7023. It wasn’t seamless but still far superior to UPVC.
I’ve got that stuff on my house looks great 👍 great video as always
Nice one Mark!! have a good week bro
With heavy rain there will be a waterfall effect in the corner where the two roofs meet and will just run over the gutter..Here we put a high piece of metal guard on the corner to stop the water running over the gutter.
Not sure about the mastic joints?
One thing that I think worth mentioning Robin is how easy it is to cause surface damage to the plastic down spout materials through careless handling. If you get it from a big box store it's worth checking that the pieces you pick up don't have a lot of scratches on the surface and also with making sure you don't add any when cutting and fitting. I use Flo-Plast down spout and even something as simple as sliding a pipe clip up the pipe can leave scratches.
Great comment
the place looks lovely, not sure how it looked at the start but it looks just as original as it was back in the day, just a bit squarer lol
There is no climate crisis....follow the money. Excellent series of BB vids....seen most of them. Proper craft and attention to detail. Great stuff Robin.
I like a challenge in life so was looking for something that's almost impossible to do and learn, a job which only a select few humans are able to do, a job that involves not turning the air blue, and a job that does not rip the skin from their fingers. Inserting a gutter into a gutter clip! Finding that a sisyphean task, i have decided to learn something much easier so am now studying quantum physics whilst simultaneously learning to speak Mandarin.
I think the clip is inserted into the gutter.
I think Water butt's should mandatory on all new guttering installations. More so now with the cost of living and the price of water!
Best gutter I've seen. I wonder if the council have it on thir homes 😅
The big build nearly finished! It'll take Robin about 3 months to write the bill!
9:46 "how does this cleat work". 9:49 "how does this cleat work"? Theres an echo in that gutter! 😁
at 12:45, or you can use a wrench, longer handle therefore less strain on your hands.
There's a reason that this type of gutter is rare over here and its cost! The cost difference is insane compared to regular upvc. I appreciate it looks lovely but I still feel there'd be maintenance issues in time with this, especially with that sealant splodged in there!
My feelings exactly. I think we've all seen upvc gutters that have been installed with silicone and know what happens sooner rather than later.
@@markrainford1219 absolutely, I done a replacement yesterday and the amount of silicone the previous guy had pumped in was ridiculous!
Hi Robin, should look into twinplas guttering. We use it very much here down in the north west of the uk.
one of those ratchets for installing radiator tails would work well with that tool he uses to punch a hole in the guttering.
never seen anything like this up in the north east like.
Think I still prefer the galvanised gutters you put up on a build some time ago.
Neat as ninepence
Leaf guards are great but you should remove them once a year to remove the mud/dirt in the gutter. Leaf guard slows down the water that normally washes the dirt down the pipe.
Looks great. My only critique would be the silicone although I’m sure they’ve tried exploring alternate methods…
It forms a strong rubberlike seal, very hard to pull apart, I've seen it on samples shown to me by the fixers when I sold it👍
At 3:31 he steps across the top of a step ladder. I did this exact same thing when pulling a chalk line while guttering with my dad last summer. I fell, dislocated and fractured my shoulder and had to be brought to hospital by ambulance. Not criticising the pro’s, just sharing my experience because I was off manual work for 3 months and still feel the ache more than a year later.
Sounds like a sore one. Is that a genuine known safety issue (as in something the health and safety folks would tell you off for)? I hadn't considered it a thing, I actually thought that top step could be used as a seat and have done it many times! Is it just because you're more off-balance than if you're leaning into a ladder?
@@ricos1497 most step ladders have steps on one side and a frame on the other with a larger platform at the top for a can of paint, etc. My accident was on the same type as the one here, steps each side, which makes it inviting to swing your leg over. I read up afterwards and it’s certainly not the “approved” way to use stepladders. I was also overextending, on a folding ladder and on a gravel surface.
Not criticising the pro’s here as familiarity brings confidence, just sharing what happened to me.
@@kiwifruitpoo thanks! Hope the shoulder is better. I find hanging from a bar or tree for 30-60 seconds helps my dodgy shoulder!
we had seamless on hand to change snow will bend it
Best is Rheinmetal zinc with a rainwater collection system!!! Loosing all the water to soakaway. Any expansion joints??
I’m thinking how to fix my system just like this one. An end has come off because a fixing has failed. Also I notice that heavy rain just spills over the outer edge. Still a fan of Robin though.
Looks mint 👌 would using a 12 volt ratchet gun will save a bit of time instead of winding the Allen key for the down pipes? All the best mate
All looks good gear! Would be great to at least see safety glasses being worn when drilling metal above head.
Hey Robin, love the idea of seamless gutter and your videos overall.
However a few points had me thinking on this one.
The first one is the on-site cutting, while that’s great having it customised, I can’t help thinking the bare metal will start to corrode. The end cap which had channels cut in to looked a prime candidate for that. I’ve got 30yr old half round UPVC on my cottage. The only issue I get it’s at the joint leaking. However with new seals I’m confident the plastic would do another 30yrs.
The other point, and it’s real bugbear. Why not use stainless fixings for the down pipe? You’ve gone to almost extremely lengths to produce a template for fixings. But on the next step looking to save 5 mins using concrete screws, which I can’t help think will bleed rusty stains down the walls eventually. A real pain if you’ve got coloured render.
The seamless gutter is aluminium, so whilst it will oxidise, it won’t rust. The fixings were ‘designed to be used externally’ which again means they won’t rust. 👍
Robin, great vid as always but no mention of installing guttering to falls? or is it installed level? not a spirit level in sight. surprised you selected UPVC downpipe when you could have used aluminum square or round making the whole system recyclable
You don't bother setting the drainage gradient over the long runs? 1:400 is all you need. I've found standing water leads to gunge buildup, mosies, pongs ... ps those stepped drill bits are very useful, they also remove the burrs
Upvc is currently being recycled scrap merchant near me pays £200 per ton!
Cracking job boys. 35 degrees is basically every day for 6 months down under. You boys wouldnt survive 😂
ive had a lot of mixed experience with gutter guards, the biggest problem is usually when people think it means they never need to clean the gutters. Normal unprotected gutters can usually cope with a small amount of leaves but i found what happens with the gutter guards is they trap all the leaves, which eventually compost and you find down pipes that are packed solid with dirt. If there are a lot of tree's they are still usually the best option though.
I too have had very mixed results with guards. On my conservatory, almost zero fall, I use a wet/dry vac and just suck all the crap out.
No mention of the fall required, did you do it with a laser? That machine looks like the business, the only waste will be when a colour change reel is required.
Seamless runs 👍. What was the brand of Canadian leaf guard?
Alurex
What is the cost p/mtr compared to upvc?
Really nice. Bottom of the gutter ties in lovely with the soffit. Was all that water at your house Robin?
Yep!
Robin, great channel! What was the make of the masonry screws you used?
These are called wall bite screws
do you use them green marksman things? instead of holding that beautifully made, ( and lets face it ...GENIUS) jig for drilling those holes for the downpipe clips, ( which i WILL be using next gutter job i do , so thanks for that Robin) , i cant help but notice the chance to use the marksman tool , Ive been using them for a few months now , and i tell you what.... its revolutionary! little green squirter thing, just marvellous invention. saves me trying to muscle a piece of board or whatever up , and running the risk of it slipping ( in this situation at least).
not that i would dream of thinking i could advise the master here, but don't think Ive seen you using one yet, so just curious as to why. they truly are a game changer.
Hi Jon, I have a marksman and they really are useful especially with a roughcast or pebbledash wall! and actually with that i could easily go and use the template and mark all the holes in one go then drill them all in one go, your suggestion could have saved me some time!!! have a good week mate
Looks like a good system!! How come you didn't use this on your place Robin? Cheers
Hi Oli, I have no gutters on my main house as we have a continuous parapet and only down pipes, I do have a metal gutter called majestic by Lindab on my summer house and that looks awesome too
Your clients must pay you a fortune to stand around watching the gutter guy 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
What kind off work trousers you got on there Robin .Am looking towards my Autumn winter wardrobe 🤔
These are Englebert Strauss
@@ukconstruction cheers pall .hope you got a inside job today its pishing down here 😂
you can definitely tell this fella docent want to be on film lol
Can you get the material in a plain galzanised finish?
Yes as shown in the swatches that we showed towards the end of the video
Robin on the bargeboard at 12:19 the sprocket piece how long do you cut it? Do you do cut it the kickup height to the first batten ? Thanks
This depends on the type or roof tile and the pitch of the roof, so the steeper the roof the higher it is, it always needs to be about the same as the batten that you are using plus the tile thickness so it replicated the kick that the tile has when laid one over the other
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Wouldn't a heavy leaf fall just sit on top of those gutter 'leaf guards' and deflect the downpour over the edge?
Not for long. The leaf guard has a slight slope. Leaves will leave the gutter surface…
also, american guttering systems have finally made their way over to these shores
From America or any other part of the world, gutter is a gutter and we already know what will it happen to them.
nice but what`s the lifespan (rust) compared to upvc ???
Towards the end of the video, Richard explains that we can expect 30 years plus from this system
@@ukconstruction I`ll get back to you in 30 years then ,,,,,,,,,
Completely agree with future protecting our properties, from the chaos that is coming, by increasing your water removal capacity but I'm confused as to why your downpipe is the same diameter as standard downpipe, I'd have thought you'd increase the diameter to accept the increase in water flow?
Well we increased the number of downpipe positions, the existing property had 4 we have 6 now so a 50% increase
Black Tee Shirts and trousers on the hottest day of the year. Phewwww. 🥵🥵🥵
What fall did you set the guttering
Very minimal, the beauty of this deep gutter is that it can be placed close to level so it appears parallel and true
Hey Robin, what was the total cost of that job? Your part.
I am planning to do a video about the core building costs at The Big Build with my customers approval so keep tumed
@@ukconstruction this would be fantastic
@@ukconstruction Sounds good; thanks
There is no drout 🤣
Is this a franchise business? In other words can we buy the franchise to this system, so we are able to deliver it to our customers in our local area?
I bet Richard could help you there, maybe reach out to him from the link below
@@ukconstruction Why didn't I think of that? 😁 I will indeed Robin. Thanks buddy.
My OCD couldn't cope with how off centre the down pipe holes are...........................Why doesn't he measure them?..................Guess work, never works!!
That machine is really clever. However, here it is a question, if the customer wants a different colour for the gutters, whatever colour you already have in the machine is going to the bin, isn't it? Bearing in mind you have a long van, and a long machine, that will be a long piece of gutter going to the scrapyard I assume.
Or into stock for the next job wanting that colour.
@@gbwildlifeuk8269 - one might have assumed that was obvious, but there you go.....
@@gbwildlifeuk8269 What they didn’t say was, in case of colour change, if the machine let them take out the material that is inside the machine and reuse again next time when the customer wants that specific colour.
So much better the standard shit cutter i have
Great for long length.. But! Have a look at that mastic the donut put on the stop ends.. what a cowboy job..that will perish quite quickly and they will all leak..
This sealant is specifically for this, its a part of the overall system approved by the manufacturer
Yes, it's the one thing I didn't like and think lets it down. There's no way that splodge of silicone will last anywhere near the life of the rest of the system- will have dripping stopends in 2 or 3 years
@@tonyatkinson8962 Maybe, but it'd be fairly easy to fix. I've never understood why there isn't a better tool for applying sealant like that. Such an awkward way of applying the sealant/glue and very difficult to get it looking nice. A single handed device with a small tube (that could be refilled) that could allow for a lot more accurate and neat job. Possibly wouldn't solve the overall issue of a perished join of course!
@@ricos1497 yes, could tool it in to make it neater, although not going to see the mastic and not much of an issue. I always think that mastic should be compressed between a joint to be reliable long term, just like the internal corner detail. Cracking design that bit, it's as if the designer just got lazy with the stopends! Anyway, great system overall and enjoyed the video!
My thoughts too. Would have expected a built in seal of sorts. Seems at odds with the rest.
Why put gutters on at all? Climate change means there will be no rain in England in the future anyway.
Criminal ,water to a soakaways !££££
Use it ,toilets ,washing machines ???££
rainwater collection would need some sort of filtration before use in a washing machine.