Watch my latest video on this for a deeper dive into wheelbases - Do I still think you should buy a T300? ua-cam.com/video/CAIdUVooylQ/v-deo.htmlsi=U-8Z8EF7ztvU8GBS
Just a quick tip for those starting on a budget: If you have some old joystick for flying sims lying around just use that as a handbrake. You ofc have to setup axis accordingly but its not difficult and you get lots of extra buttons as a bonus.
@@xavierpayne7179 Im pretty sure you can. There is a app for AC called Joycam however Ive never tried it myself. But from what Ive seen gamepad might be better for this as it basically emulates controls of a drone.
I bought myself a Logitech G29 and shifter as my first wheel and pedal set and I'm pleased as punch with it. In fact, I also built a Ricmotech RS-1 and bolted everything down. Bolted down wheel for stability, bolted on 6-speed shifter, inverted pedals also bolted on. Actual car seat from a junkyard. It's very nice. I've gotten plenty of compliments on it. Also replaced the brake pedal spring with a newer one like the G923 has. I've been playing PS3 and PC games with it. Gran Turismo 5/6, F1 2010, American Truck Simulator, Forza Horizon 4, and at some point, Assetto Corsa.
Thats great its working for you.ive ow ed two logitech wheels. The g27 and g920 both equally junk but in different ways. If you are driving close to pro levels it will destroy the logitech wheels.. They're a horrible investment considering the price of the moza r5 .
Yea like every thing in life, each of their own. I bought g20 for my son to play his racing games. Huge upgrade from entry PXN V9 😂. Now the more I watch videos, I’m ready to spend $500-$1000 😅. But I let my son play this G20 til he gets a summer job since all his friends use the same wheel. Send me a link of your set up? Debating to build one from a Skyline seat I prob could get for cheap
@@cristianadangonzalez628 I use my G29 on my PS3 Slim model just fine. The only problem with it is that on PS3 it emulates the Logitech Driving Force GT, not the G25/27, so you don't get the clutch pedal and you cannot use the 6-speed H-pattern shifter. That only works on PS4/PS5 and PC, unfortunately. But it's fine. I can paddle-shift my way through F1 2010 and Gran Turismo 5/6.
I've been using a G920 attached to my computer desk for about three years. I play ACC and F1 2020 and it works well enough for me. It would be fun to have a sim rig but I can't justify the money and space it requires.
While i mostly agree, if you want a setup with a shifter the thrustmaster is lot more expensive compared to Logitech. A friend of mine tried both and went with the g29 because he didnt feel much diference.
Yep! I've encountered this problem multiple times over the last week browsing racing wheels. I found a new Logitech wheel set with a shifter included for just over $200. Beginners may not want to deal with the complexity of clutches and manual gearboxes but if you wanted to check it out without spending $150 on the shifter alone then Logitech is the best way to go.
I decided to get t300rs but when i went to get one, it was more than double the price of g29. Hence I chose g29. My friend got a t128. We both are noobs and just play for fun together with our friends. Imo, honestly both the wheels are awesome. Just get any force feedback wheel that falls in your budget. For serious sim racing dd is the best i guess.
You have no idea how AWESOME and insightful your video was!! I'm starting a Racing Sim Cafe, and wasn't sure what to avoid when building these building rigs. Thaaaank youu!
I totally agree with this, I have the logitech g29. And while it is obviously a great upgrade from a controller I am kind disappointed in it, it feels like an expensive kid's toy and I regret not spending a bit more for belt driven. I am happy that it comes with a clutch pedal though because many pedal sets don't, and the good ones with a clutch are quite expensive. I also got the logitech shifter and later on got a fanatec handbrake to make drifting a bit easier.
My friend couldn't find t300 that I have, and bought g29. It feels like toy compared to t300, difference is really big for the small difference in cost. G29 is okay, you still can drive on it and feel things, but it really lacks power and you can drive it with your fingers, it is that lite, while on the other hand my hands hurt on t300 after 30minutes of driving, and I only use 85% of force. But pedals wise, I found g29 ones to be more intuitive because they are similar feel to todays modern car pedals (which is not something you find in race car), and I had to learn to use t300 ones for quite some time, they are sturdy but have really almost no force back, so at least you can be happy with that
@@Tomica031It is actually difficult to find the T300, especially if you are not living in the USA. In contrast, the G29 is widely available. Furthermore, the G29 features a fantastic shifter(fo its money) that is compatible exclusively with this wheel and is three times cheaper than the shifter from Thrustmaster. I genuinely desire a T300, but purchasing it is not as straightforward.
@@slavaukraini8061 yep, like I said, g29 is good starter point and pedals are very good (better than t300 ones you get), if only they put full belt system like t300 and raised price up a bit it would be so perfect
I left a comment elsewhere but look up LUT generator and make one for your wheel. It will make a huge difference in improving the feeling. If you aren’t familiarliar, it’s software that creates a customized force feedback curve for your wheel which you can then use in various racing sims so that the force feedback is much more accurate to what the game intended it to feel like. I cannot overstate how much of a difference it makes, especially the more subtle force feedback effects feel so much better after setting one up. That’s what I did with my Logitech and it’s so much better than what it is stock.
I have been using a Thrustmaster TMX Wheel for the last 3 Years now on PC and Xbox and I can say its great fun for casuals. It's a bit cheaper feeling but the compatibility with other Thrustmaster products works well. I now have the Shifter and better pedals and it's great. The wheel is around 200 now.
Love the wheel stand + playseat combination. Never thought about combining them and turn them into the ultimate “compact sim rig”. Thanks for the tip man!
Wow!! This is by far THE most straight to the point video i watched about simracing! Every topic about sim race gear is explained in just the right depth. Very well done my man!❤💪👍
Logitech us best for beginners with low budget. I have my G29 almost since release, no issues at all, still works great. I'm saving money now for G Pro or Moza setup.
I used to race modded clunkers at an old dirt track when I was a kid, then I got married, had kids and life kind of got in the way of my favorite past time. Kids are teenagers, I'm out of the army, so I'm ready to get back into this without the risk of dying in a car fire. Thank you so much.
Definitely feel you on getting less daring as i get older. Check out the game wreck fest if you haven't already, don't think the physics are as realistic but might be up your alley.
Well you just saved me money. I also have a t300 that I upgraded from a g920. And the difference was huge. Good to know DDs arent as big of a difference.
I agree with this so much. I started on a t150 thrustmaster setup on os4 playing gt6 and ACC. It was fun. Got me into the hobyy. But about two month later i ran across a deal on a used t300. It was game one from then on. Im now in a full direct drive fanatec rig on pc
@@El_loll_CAN yeah XD my last wheel locked at 180 degrees and hade 0 vibration, 0 force feedback, and it felt extremely cheap Edit: so yeah I definitely think the g923 is an upgrade lol
@@AtomicArchives thanks for your response, I am picking up last minute deal either G923 or T300 RsGT. I am a beginner so still don’t how will it go with me but I guess I won’t be spending $$$ for another wheel later as I will be using it on the weekends only just for fun while playing GT7 , what do you suggest ?
@@El_loll_CAN I’d probably suggest you research it a little and if it’s something that interests you then I would recommend the g923 or the g29 (since thats all I’ve tried) and if you don’t like it you could return it, I’d also suggest getting a cockpit or making one if you are serious about sim driving/racing
Maybe t300 has a better overall feel but my t300 broke in a month. RMA'd it but I wanted to test g29 too so I chose that instead. I stuck with g29 I didn't feel much downgrade and logi after years like when I bought it.
I started on a g27 back when it released in 2010 playing rFactor drifting online (sorta) with mates via a vpn and some trickery to appear as a local network... anyway I used that bolted to my table right up until about 2016 when I figured I should invest something into my hobby. I got a GT Omega frame which set off a wild change of events for even better immersion. I then got a full Fanatec setup and vr which led into a full Trak Racer extrusion rig. It's an expensive hobby. XD Great video.
started with a 923 and shifter, it was a great decision. The price point also didnt scare my friends away from jumping in the game with me, i currently have a logitech g pro direct drive, you cant find a negative review about it online, logitech still hasnt let me down, however if money isnt a issue of course theres other options, but even with logitech only having 1 wheel ATM you know more are coming
People always forget this one. The upgrades they did from the G29 and G920 are great. Small amount of haptics on the wheel itself makes the audio of the vehicles rumble your experience even better. Also the pedal upgrade, so much more realistic until you get a pedal set with loadcells. Best starter pedals IMO. I used the G923 for a solid year with no complaints BUT the noise when racing offroad.
Due to low budget i got myself a thurstmaster t248, which is both, gear and belt driven. With small diameter wheel it feels toyish but it's quite hard to change it. As entry level i think it's acceptable because it has simmilar price to Logitech but has got the belt
Lots of sim drifter videos are with logitech wheel g27 g29 g920 g923 just need to do a lut. But the t300 is an upgrade if you can afford it. In my country the t300 with no shifter is worth more than double what the g29 is selling for
Any wheel is better than no wheel, but the T300 is significantly better than the logitech. Even with LUT they rotate too slow to simulate real life due to the gear drive. Can you drive around that? Sure. Is it realistic? No. That said... nothing wrong with working within the bounds of what you can afford and what's available to you.
Lmao I just bought a g29. I completely agree that you have to do a lot yourself but it is cool drifting around. I'm also not old enough to drive so I wouldn't know what its like. Great video though!
Going from the T300 RS to the fanatec DDpro 8nm with load cells= massive difference. And now Gt7 in vr 👌. Excellent. I don't play ACC anymore. I think the DD pro even on console is a lot better compared to using the T300 RS on pc. Just my thoughts. I could be wrong. Dirt 2.0 and wrc generations. Amazing. F1 2022...very good with the DD pro and mclaren open wheel. It's still som cade, I know. Gt7 compared to ACC had a lot more to offer. Sim cade or not. And gt7 now on psvr2. Was my best racing experience ever. The interiors in vr are insane. Not one game has that.
I like how you get straight to the point and don't talk like a media robot. With that unnatural and stupid rhythm voice tone that some people talk while reading reviews.
Big downside of Logitech for me is that their software/drivers seem to be glitchy and bug ridden. The anti-overheat circuitry kept activating even when the wheel was cold meaning that i regularly lost my ffb gain in the middle of races. Also, the wheel rotation kept resetting to 900 degrees which isn't much use when you're trying to find an F1 car and need something around 360 degrees. Since upgrading to a Fanatec CSL Elite a few years ago I've had no issues other than a couple of minor driver issues that were easily rectified by reinstalling an earlier version.
When I went from a G27 -> TS-PC immediately the thing I noticed wasn't so much the extra force but the way in which I could now recover from a somewhat sharp snap. On the G27 a sudden snap would lead to a seesaw motion eventually leading to a spin, this being due to the wheel not keeping up with the wheels on the car in game. Overall I'd say a better stronger wheel leads to much better consistency and a far better idea of what the car is doing
actually looking into this hobby recently. always amazes me in every facet of a hobby how deep shit goes and how deep you allow yourself to get into them. this by far is a really cool hobby and cant wait to join this "friendly" community from what ive seen??? looking for a budget T300 lol are there no other options like lower ver. of a thrustmaster > Logitech? thanks for the content you produce!
Like any community sim racing/drifting has some elitist type folks in terms of gear, games, etc., but overall yeah it's a really good community. Not a ton of options below the T300 or logitech G29 unfortunately. Used is the way to go if you have the option.
If you haven't bought anything yet, Moza is coming out with an R3 bundle very soon that's PC and Xbox DD for $399. I'm in the same boat, my wheel stand arrives today and I'm waiting on the above wheel to be released.
@@omniscient420I’m trying to get a DD wheel but am a bit conflicted on what I should get… moza or fanatec? My budget is up to 1k… I was first looking at the t300 Ferrari alcantara but I’m not sure
@@tuff77777it depends on what platforms you're going to use it on. I'm going with Moza for Xbox/PC. Fanatec has a larger ecosystem with lots to choose from. Moza is still new so who knows how they will grow. I'm fairly casual right now.
I've used both a thrustmaster and a logitech. There are pros and cons to both. I will say it's easier to get a clutch and shifter with logitech which has ultimately won me out
Yeah, the H-shifter price with Thrustmaster is what turned me over to the Logitech. I know I'm gonna upgrade eventually, so I just want to get my foot in the door.
I had a g29, now a logitech pro, and I love it super easy to set up and has a good feel to it. I also had a fanatic dd2 before the logitech Pro, and I hated it. I'm not in the 90s anymore to spend hours or days to set up drivers and firmware.
Number 1 thing I recommend to anyone who's getting into sim racing or have been in it for awhile. Transducers for chair, it adds engine, road, and tire feel in the chair, it's an absolute MUST have.
Got this one now and I do like it great start but looking at a direct drive soon.. Anything to start is better than nothing for sure.. pc is the way to go..
Would love to see an update on this video taking into account the GT7 physics patches (more realistic !), the Logitech G Pro wheel (direct drive!) and PS VR2. Thanks for your video !
Would love to but I'm just a regular dude with a full time job lol so finding the time and money to dig into all these different setups is a little difficult at the moment. Maybe once the channel takes off (fingers crossed).
Upgraded my PC from a 3080 to a 4090, as well as every other part recently. This made me want to try sim racing as modern racing games look incredible at maxed out graphics, and I went for a Fanatec CSL DD + F1 wheel + CSL Elite V2 Pedals, for cockpit a Playseat trophy (no space for a playseat F1 ultimate) and a G9 Neo 49", and sometimes using my Quest 3 for VR. Well worth the money, I highly recommend spending more if possible. Between playing on my setup and my friends, who uses a g29 clamped to his desk, its light and day. He comes over a lot more often now to "hang out" meanwhile he just sits and races all day. Anyways good vid.
as a Logitech G27 owner, I can confirm Logitech wheels arent the best for drifting, the FFB is slow, clunky and loud, which I dont mind, but I plan on upgrading to a T300 RS GT or maybe even a DD wheel when I get the money for it. Very good video
Used a Logitech g920 wheel for a long time now. Tried learning to drift and couldn’t do it. Spent weeks at a time learning, then going away and coming back again with same result. Then I got a direct drive wheel yesterday and within half hour of trying to drift once I got use to the wheel, I was doing donuts more consistently, gaining back control at corners more consistently and actually drifting without spinning out. Sure I still spin out. But it feels like I actually started to get it. And looking forward to using it more on days off to learn. Also my lap time has improved slightly on the brands hatch course. But I think that’s because the feedback is faster to feel, and more responsive.
Great video! Appreciate the advice. I went with the full budget build route to save money for my real e36 lol. Hoping it translates to the real thing well enough. A little concerned that I’ll have to upgrade if it starts to reinforce bad habits tho.
Yeah I get that lol. Been looking at upgrading my pedals but at the same time trying to get some seats for the Z. Assuming you're talking logitech, def play around with whatever LUT updates people recommend. Not to say you can't transition from logi, but I can definitely see it being easier from Thrustmaster.
Thanks mate. Literally trying to decide what set up to invest in for a start. Lots of great info in this vid and well presented with a cool sense of humour. Nice
I own a g 29 and a trustmaster t300 and i'can say the logitech feels much more like a toy. But for beginners the g29 is just the perfect steering wheel to start sim racing
When I first got into sim racing about 7 years ago and moved from controller to a non-FFB thrustmaster 458 italia wheel and pedal set which had bungee strap of the force to center the wheel. After a year or so on that, I upgraded to the T300RS pack with the t3pa pedals. Anyone looking into reviews comparing the Logitech and T300 options will undoubtedly come across reviews saying the T300 overheats etc. and that logitech is better - WRONG! I live in a region where summer temps reach over 40c and the T300 as my daily driver has never failed me once, not even a hint of FFB fade. The unit is solid, the stock wheel in-hand feels good. Logitech spend the FFB motor bugdet on the leather wheel wrap and left the buyer to experience ancient gear FFB. In a nutshell, I have been using Thrustmaster wheels and pedals for almost 10 years and not a single mechanical failure with daily use. Of course dont set your FFB to 100% in the software but rather in the game being played and you will have a long time friend steering you in the right direction day in and day out.
I second everything you said in the video lol. I'm currently running a logitech g920 +shifter +keyboard ebrake that I've modded into feeling more """realistic""", such as increased brake and clutch resistors, resistor bands in the shifter and, after snapping the gear on my first g920, upgradging to a more sturdy gearset. What I can tell people wanting to start off is to NOT BUY LOGITECH. It is almost a guarantee that you will run into issues with your setup and teach yourself bad habits along the way to compensate. To compound those issues, unless you're really tech savvy or know what a drift car is actually supposed to feel like then you likely won't even know that you're teaching yourself bad habits along the way. On top of that, logitech software is notorious for bugging out and im currently experiencing centering issues with my logitech even after a complete PC/hardware wipe and LUT mapping my wheel. All in all, seat time is king, even on a sim, but sub-par seat time isn't doing you any favors.
in my country I got G29 with half the price of T300, G29 also come with much greater warranty of 24 months compare to T300... But it could be because there's no official distributor of Thrusmaster here
It’s more expensive but I’m of the camp of buying stuff that you won’t replace in the future. Investing in a strong rig right from the go is the way to go. So in the future when you upgrade to a direct drive you know your rig will be able to handle it. I also recommend going straight to a load cell brake pedal. Sure spring loaded potentiometer pedals will get you started but you’re going to be giving lap time up.
I don't disagree if you've got the cash to burn and know you're going to stick with it. But at the same time FB marketplace is generally littered with setups that people thought they were going to stick with and didn't. I still say if this is your first foray there's nothing wrong with a beginner setup to test the waters. You'd also be amazed at how many people I get arguing for bottom of the line logitech gear being good enough.
That depends on your situation. If you're not sure you're going to really get into the hobby you don't want to shell out a bunch of cash on something you may seldom use as using lower-end things can be great for getting your foot through the door as someone who doesn't have a lot of expendable cash. Being cheaper also means you can get something faster if it requires time to save. As a result, it can be worth it in terms of getting your hand on something that much sooner as and you can still save for the higher-end thing or you might even just get comfortable with what you already purchased (resulting in you not needing to upgrade) as bear in mind these things have severe diminishing returns in some cases. It's a similar logic to hire purchase where you pay more in the long run but you get your hand on the thing you want that much faster, you just have to consider your situation and find out what works best as there is no one-size fits all solution; bear in mind the cost and time differs by region in some cases. Not only does your job determine your income but also what country you do it in
MIDPOND!!!! Awesome to see that the track is on assetto corsa. I’m about to build my first sim setup and your video has helped me leaps and bounds. Maybe I’ll catch you out at Midpond one day!
I got the g29 some time ago it was kinda weird the force feedback but after some things i did it feels good but the main problem is the rotation of the wheel it rotates slowly but overall it's fine
Oculus Quest 2 with Assetto corsa here. Go with the Index if your looking for a good VR racing experience. Oculus Link has some issues when playing and I find things that are far away look almost like a video with a very low bitrate. very blurry and blocky.
Love the channel man, I’ve been sim racing/drifting for a few years and have really been looking into buying another 350z to drift, and you showing your experiences/progress makes it a lot less intimidating. Also what do you do for practicing tandems? not to be mean but alot of people in some of the popular servers are still learning lol. Just wondering if maybe there’s more serious servers, or maybe discord groups. Figured I’d ask. Love the content!
Awesome to hear, honestly my main goal for the channel is to make it less intimidating and get other folks to make the jump. I'm sure there are some more serious servers out there but I just join whatever and drift around a bit until you spot the few folks on the server who look decent, then start snugging up. This is very much how real life tandems have been in my experience as well, spotting for the people closest to your skill/car level who look consistent enough to avoid wrecking your car. Then approach and ask if they'd be up for tandems. Then inevitably some body smacks into you from behind and wrecks the whole train lol.
After I discovered Tokyo no Hesi servers and the drift physics on AC, I really want to build a PC with VR. AC on PC is a car guys dream game. Street racing midnight club style and drifting the togue in VR looks so fun and amazing. And the audio is sooo good. A lot of love goes into those AC mods.
Definitely a good option. Maybe a g920. It’s also for Xbox and I use it on pc and it’s fantastic for a pro setup if you’re not picky about force feedback
THANK YOU! Exactly the video I was looking for. All others were for people with not as much pc and car experience. You answered all my questions thanks again.
Just looking to build a home made rig. I have a logitech driving force gt that I got for half price 2 years ago😂. I'm planning to upgrade since software is getting outdated. But first I want to build the rig. I have an existing tv allready not the best but it is full hd and hella huge. It will be good to start but defenetly willing to upgrade.
you have the same music with the guys over at missedapex podcast! took me a while to figure out. both you guys occupy the racing scene so I guess also have similar taste in music? Moved from a g29 to a tspc. but the shift from potentiometer to Thrustmaster's TS-PC definitely was the bigger upgrade. Good stuff!
Lol its one of the few free metal songs you can get from the UA-cam library without them hitting you with copyright claims. Similar taste in music, probably, but just as much having limited choices. 😭
😂 for a oem g series i agree. But if your on a budget, you can easily mod a g series wheel to be better than almost anything out there. I perfer my 2 of my g29s, over my t300, my csl elite, only 2 wheel bases that are better is simucube and monza. Granted monza is just pretty decent for the price range. The g29 can easily be converted to a belt drive system, or a direct drive system if you know what your doing. But you really dont need all that unluss sound is a major issue for you. The "slop" in the gear system is easily fixed by swapping out the rack n pinon setup. Want more tq, just increase the tooth count on the gears in the 2 motors, which can also be upgraded. On my gear driven g29 im pushing 18.4nm tq. So needless to say i really need to turn ffb down in alot of games. Theres zero slop in the wheel, and with a pull of a pin i go from 900° to 1080° for trucking games. Besides the cost of the base itself, im only $138 into mods on the gear driven one. Were as belt driven mod can be had for $76 or dd conversion at $215. But in all honesty the gear driven setup feels alot better to me, so its my go to wheel. My t300, csl elite, simucube aplha, and monza are all just crammed in the closet for now.
A bit late but I can't stress enough how good of an advice this is! I bought G29 as my first wheel and it lfet me very disappointed. I sold it very quickly and got T300 instead and I couldn't have been happier. For the difference in price it is well worth it. I hated the grindy feeling of the G29 wheel, the loudness it made and hard ability to drift at all.
@@Manning0151 yeah, kinda, don't have an rwd, so I had to learn drifting on wheel, and on G29 it was hard and unrealistic. went to T300 and now I have at least some capability. anything else you want to mock me on?
The someone standing behind you VR thing had me dying. Anytime I hear a noise I get a little paranoid when I'm racing in VR. I had a stink bug hit me the other day and ripped off my headset so fast.
I have a homebuilt stand with one of the stock seat out of my race car and a g920. I added a handbrake and changed to a real steering wheel. I see nothing wrong with starting out on a g920 or g29. I mainly do drifting and I don't have any issues with transitioning on it.
@@solaryellowis3007 I don't have any issues with running hot laps. The longer you use it and the more you mess with settings the better it gets. I'm not saying it compares to a direct drive but I don't get all the hate around the g29 and g920. They're perfectly good wheels for entry level drifting and racing.
YES ive built my rig around one of those ikea chairs! Actually works REALLY well as a driving position as it's fairly reclined. Home built is the way to go if you have the means
Great advice! I followed exactly none of it. I decided to go with the G920 on Xbox in front of my TV using a home built stand I made out of scrap 2x4's and plywood... cost next to nothing and it's super fun :)
Thank for the info! I recently purchased my first sim rig; therefore, I've kept it relatively cost effective by purchasing the GT Omega Classic wheel stand and seat mount. I picked a driver seat from a 2015 Mini Cooper for $100 from a junk yard (saved me $200). Lastly, I went with the Logitech G923 to go with my PSVR2 headset. If I enjoy this rig, I will upgrade the components, including the wheel. In your opinion, if money were not an option, which wheel and pedal setup would you choose?
Honestly I have no idea. There's a bunch of sim focused channels out there that could probably answer better than I can in terms of expensive gear, but my focus is generally bang for the buck because I'm trying to also balance the cost of drifting in real life. My setup now is a decent low-mid range: Simagic Alpha Mini Thrustmaster TLCM TM TH8A shifter Gt Omega Art If I had a bunch of money I'd probably go higher end and include a motion rig, but would really have to do some more research to see what that would be.
Hi there. Im thinking of upgrading from my tmx to a tx or tsxw. Do you still feel the little stops and gears like when youre turning the wheel? I feel like when i use tmx i can feel im rotating some sort of gears and it is not 100% smooth
Great video, I have a baisc rig set up, with a Logic wheel mounted to a basic desk, but I use VR, I find especially with drifting that I drive a lot harder than using the screen.
PC setup here, First timer. That picture of you lol, that's me (minus the headset) G29 too lol, regardless of the title as well, idk if anything honestly could make me better. Ive realized just how COMPLETE SHIT I am at SIM.. This is going to be a LOOOONG Journey!
I will upgrade my PC this year and I will focus on building my first SIM RACING RIG next year. It is always my dream to have a SIM RACING RIG at home since I was a kid.
first! haha, i can definetly suggest going for thrustmaster instead of logitech, i had the g27 back in the days, then switched to t500rs and it still works after 6 years, i want to get to DD but $$$$
The fact that you can get a G923 + Playseat Challenge + Quest 3 for under $1000 is kind of INSANE. Is there anywhere that you can get a triple monitor setup for the price of a Quest? Is there any wheel set where you can get a wheel+ triple pedal + gear shifter for under $300?
I have been using a rental G29 with a Playseat Challenge for several weeks. Frankly speaking, the force feedback was so lost in the chair flex, wheel flex, gearing play, that in the end i found it completely useless as a tool that should communicate car&track information to me as a driver. It felt like the only things the "feedback" did was resist rotation and occasionally push my hands. All ridiculously grainy and happening with a micro delay. I'd say using a PS5 gamepad with tilt-to-steer controls in GT7 was more effective and convenient for me after adjusting, with the only downside that it is not fixed in one place and does not allow for 900 degree rotation. On the bright side, the gamepad has nice adaptive triggers which allowed to feel some sense of grip when braking and accelerating, compared to basic G29 pedals.
I got brand new g923 for 170$ and it was the best purchase i've ever made. I got myself logitech shifter and 3d printed hall-sensor handbrake. I fit within 230$ for everything and it works well, but I might upgrade in the future
I currently own a logitech g29 that I bought for cheap as I didn’t have the money or space for a full setup. Soon going to live on my own so now I have the space but still no money so I’ll probably buy a decent stand with seat and call it done.
Honestly I think if you're going to go DD you should go for some future proofing and do R9 at a minimum. Lot's of folks going to eventually want more torque than the R5 can provide.
I have a question about Fanatec. I want to buy a decent setup, so I immediately thought of a whole Fanatec setup, but several people say that wouldn't be the case. Fanatec is not that good at all, in the end.
A year ago i got the chance of getting a Thrustmaster TGT with a playseat alcantara for 650 euros, then i bought the SSH shifter new with the side plate for the playseat then a Rift s headset second hand and then i ordered a 16 bit hall sensor handbrake new, overall i'm so happy with my setup, racing GT cars is allot of fun and drifting is even more fun, only part is i'm more towards drifting and my friends are more towards GT racing, overall budget was 1100 and my pockets are still burning, great video whould recommend it to everyone who's thinking on buying a wheel. BTW maby a bit random but if anyone is down to drift at any point pls let me know, i'm down for anycars even vdc
What about the T248 compared to the T300? I am currently wondering between those two, especially since they seem the be the same price around where I live in the used market
i wish i looked further when i bought my irst wheel got my logitech g29 (pc) for 5-6yrs now an have an issue that some buttons are triggered when i dont touch any buttons, found others with the same issue its the cable loosens IN the wheel over time i could open it but i heard the issue comes bak after time so for now controls as headlights, hazards, wipers and so on id use my keyboard and the bearing FFB is really loud by now man wished i took 80 bucks more for a t300
I got my g29 a while ago and I love it but definitely want to upgrade. My issue is I really like gran turismo 7 and need a wheel that is compatible with it.
I bought a Ps5 just for gran turismo 7... asseto corso was really rough looking.. and the servers were empty.. forza horizon 5 similarly also felt empty.... but good thing is I can switch back over to my gaming pc if a better racing game comes out. not ready for iracing yet.
Watch my latest video on this for a deeper dive into wheelbases - Do I still think you should buy a T300? ua-cam.com/video/CAIdUVooylQ/v-deo.htmlsi=U-8Z8EF7ztvU8GBS
Do you have any ps5 wheels for sale? Lol, is that ferrari wheel any good?
I like how this video is straight to the point. No long boring introduction lol. Good job. I'm working on getting a wheel.
Just a quick tip for those starting on a budget:
If you have some old joystick for flying sims lying around just use that as a handbrake. You ofc have to setup axis accordingly but its not difficult and you get lots of extra buttons as a bonus.
im getting a wheel in 2 weeks and plan to do this, but is there not a downside to being able to move the joystick from side to side?
@@Goliath83you could probably find a way to lock one of the axis’
Can you set up an old joystick like that to do the camera?
fam, I just read this and I am about to run to my room and get my 2001 joystick xD
Thx
@@xavierpayne7179 Im pretty sure you can. There is a app for AC called Joycam however Ive never tried it myself. But from what Ive seen gamepad might be better for this as it basically emulates controls of a drone.
I bought myself a Logitech G29 and shifter as my first wheel and pedal set and I'm pleased as punch with it. In fact, I also built a Ricmotech RS-1 and bolted everything down. Bolted down wheel for stability, bolted on 6-speed shifter, inverted pedals also bolted on. Actual car seat from a junkyard. It's very nice. I've gotten plenty of compliments on it. Also replaced the brake pedal spring with a newer one like the G923 has. I've been playing PS3 and PC games with it. Gran Turismo 5/6, F1 2010, American Truck Simulator, Forza Horizon 4, and at some point, Assetto Corsa.
Thats great its working for you.ive ow ed two logitech wheels. The g27 and g920 both equally junk but in different ways. If you are driving close to pro levels it will destroy the logitech wheels.. They're a horrible investment considering the price of the moza r5 .
Yea like every thing in life, each of their own. I bought g20 for my son to play his racing games. Huge upgrade from entry PXN V9 😂. Now the more I watch videos, I’m ready to spend $500-$1000 😅. But I let my son play this G20 til he gets a summer job since all his friends use the same wheel. Send me a link of your set up? Debating to build one from a Skyline seat I prob could get for cheap
Thanks for share your experience, I have a question, is de g29 and the t300 / t300rs compatible with PS3 slim?
Get the truebrake pedal mod for it. 👌🏼
@@cristianadangonzalez628 I use my G29 on my PS3 Slim model just fine. The only problem with it is that on PS3 it emulates the Logitech Driving Force GT, not the G25/27, so you don't get the clutch pedal and you cannot use the 6-speed H-pattern shifter. That only works on PS4/PS5 and PC, unfortunately. But it's fine. I can paddle-shift my way through F1 2010 and Gran Turismo 5/6.
Always owned a Logitech wheel. On a G Pro now. No regrets at all.
Your standards need work
@Cheby Chvse I disagree LOL but I have yet to drive a DD 😮
a man of culture
@@X11CHASE your privilege needs work
Leaning towards logitech too just because of the fact that logitech has never let me down before either
The way you explained the differences between thrustmaster and Logitech in terms of realism is amazing thank you
This is such a common topic BUT probably the best sim racing startup video I've seen in a long time if not ever. Bloody brilliantly done :)
Same here mate. I tried the G25 years ago and it felt good but g29 after real car feels like cr&p
I've been using a G920 attached to my computer desk for about three years. I play ACC and F1 2020 and it works well enough for me. It would be fun to have a sim rig but I can't justify the money and space it requires.
This guy need Cockpit crazy shit, they all sell Mario Kart crap
He needs mad clickbait scum....
You literally just described me 😂 but I've just bought a cockpit as I'm sick of my computer chair with wheels 😂
While i mostly agree, if you want a setup with a shifter the thrustmaster is lot more expensive compared to Logitech.
A friend of mine tried both and went with the g29 because he didnt feel much diference.
your friend might be deficient
Yep! I've encountered this problem multiple times over the last week browsing racing wheels. I found a new Logitech wheel set with a shifter included for just over $200. Beginners may not want to deal with the complexity of clutches and manual gearboxes but if you wanted to check it out without spending $150 on the shifter alone then Logitech is the best way to go.
I decided to get t300rs but when i went to get one, it was more than double the price of g29. Hence I chose g29. My friend got a t128. We both are noobs and just play for fun together with our friends. Imo, honestly both the wheels are awesome. Just get any force feedback wheel that falls in your budget. For serious sim racing dd is the best i guess.
You have no idea how AWESOME and insightful your video was!! I'm starting a Racing Sim Cafe, and wasn't sure what to avoid when building these building rigs. Thaaaank youu!
I totally agree with this, I have the logitech g29. And while it is obviously a great upgrade from a controller I am kind disappointed in it, it feels like an expensive kid's toy and I regret not spending a bit more for belt driven. I am happy that it comes with a clutch pedal though because many pedal sets don't, and the good ones with a clutch are quite expensive. I also got the logitech shifter and later on got a fanatec handbrake to make drifting a bit easier.
My friend couldn't find t300 that I have, and bought g29. It feels like toy compared to t300, difference is really big for the small difference in cost. G29 is okay, you still can drive on it and feel things, but it really lacks power and you can drive it with your fingers, it is that lite, while on the other hand my hands hurt on t300 after 30minutes of driving, and I only use 85% of force. But pedals wise, I found g29 ones to be more intuitive because they are similar feel to todays modern car pedals (which is not something you find in race car), and I had to learn to use t300 ones for quite some time, they are sturdy but have really almost no force back, so at least you can be happy with that
@@Tomica031It is actually difficult to find the T300, especially if you are not living in the USA. In contrast, the G29 is widely available. Furthermore, the G29 features a fantastic shifter(fo its money) that is compatible exclusively with this wheel and is three times cheaper than the shifter from Thrustmaster. I genuinely desire a T300, but purchasing it is not as straightforward.
@@slavaukraini8061 yep, like I said, g29 is good starter point and pedals are very good (better than t300 ones you get), if only they put full belt system like t300 and raised price up a bit it would be so perfect
I left a comment elsewhere but look up LUT generator and make one for your wheel. It will make a huge difference in improving the feeling.
If you aren’t familiarliar, it’s software that creates a customized force feedback curve for your wheel which you can then use in various racing sims so that the force feedback is much more accurate to what the game intended it to feel like. I cannot overstate how much of a difference it makes, especially the more subtle force feedback effects feel so much better after setting one up. That’s what I did with my Logitech and it’s so much better than what it is stock.
@@lllSavitarlll Thanks a lot, not expecting a world of difference but I'll definitely take a look.
I have been using a Thrustmaster TMX Wheel for the last 3 Years now on PC and Xbox and I can say its great fun for casuals. It's a bit cheaper feeling but the compatibility with other Thrustmaster products works well. I now have the Shifter and better pedals and it's great. The wheel is around 200 now.
Love the wheel stand + playseat combination. Never thought about combining them and turn them into the ultimate “compact sim rig”. Thanks for the tip man!
Wow!! This is by far THE most straight to the point video i watched about simracing! Every topic about sim race gear is explained in just the right depth.
Very well done my man!❤💪👍
Logitech us best for beginners with low budget. I have my G29 almost since release, no issues at all, still works great. I'm saving money now for G Pro or Moza setup.
your talking speed and directness makes my heart happy
I used to race modded clunkers at an old dirt track when I was a kid, then I got married, had kids and life kind of got in the way of my favorite past time. Kids are teenagers, I'm out of the army, so I'm ready to get back into this without the risk of dying in a car fire. Thank you so much.
Definitely feel you on getting less daring as i get older. Check out the game wreck fest if you haven't already, don't think the physics are as realistic but might be up your alley.
Well you just saved me money. I also have a t300 that I upgraded from a g920. And the difference was huge. Good to know DDs arent as big of a difference.
I have G27 for almost 10 years. Back then this was premium. :)
I have the g29 and I think that the g27 was the real chad
@@ignaziomessina69 I have both G27 and G29 and I am sure G27 is much better.
I agree with this so much. I started on a t150 thrustmaster setup on os4 playing gt6 and ACC. It was fun. Got me into the hobyy. But about two month later i ran across a deal on a used t300. It was game one from then on. Im now in a full direct drive fanatec rig on pc
Couldn’t agree more with this video! The T300 is heads above the Logitech G29/G920. Had mine for a week before returning it and buying a T300 😁
its also heads above in price
@@exernal8969 Yes it is. But it’s worth either getting the T300 used or save up more money before buying a wheel
I got TSPC racer love it
@@exernal8969 if you can get it on sale, at least in canada its around the same price
I bought a logitech g923 just to try it out from Best Buy. I’m going to return it and get the thrust master. T300rs thank you
Finally a good video that’s not just someone trying to constantly upsale
Zero regrets on g27 and then g923. It's a pretty good start.
Just got a g923, setup took me hours bc the first thing I did was throw the instructions into my garbage can 😂
@@AtomicArchivesdid you like the G923?
@@El_loll_CAN yeah XD my last wheel locked at 180 degrees and hade 0 vibration, 0 force feedback, and it felt extremely cheap
Edit: so yeah I definitely think the g923 is an upgrade lol
@@AtomicArchives thanks for your response, I am picking up last minute deal either G923 or T300 RsGT. I am a beginner so still don’t how will it go with me but I guess I won’t be spending $$$ for another wheel later as I will be using it on the weekends only just for fun while playing GT7 , what do you suggest ?
@@El_loll_CAN I’d probably suggest you research it a little and if it’s something that interests you then I would recommend the g923 or the g29 (since thats all I’ve tried) and if you don’t like it you could return it, I’d also suggest getting a cockpit or making one if you are serious about sim driving/racing
Straight to the point. Thank you for taking the time to put this together.
Maybe t300 has a better overall feel but my t300 broke in a month. RMA'd it but I wanted to test g29 too so I chose that instead. I stuck with g29 I didn't feel much downgrade and logi after years like when I bought it.
Bro after 7months is your g29 still good?
@@djxjdjdhdjd4020 same as new but I didn’t use everyday 😊
I started on a g27 back when it released in 2010 playing rFactor drifting online (sorta) with mates via a vpn and some trickery to appear as a local network... anyway I used that bolted to my table right up until about 2016 when I figured I should invest something into my hobby. I got a GT Omega frame which set off a wild change of events for even better immersion. I then got a full Fanatec setup and vr which led into a full Trak Racer extrusion rig.
It's an expensive hobby. XD Great video.
Cant explain how thankful I am for this series. Liked, subbed, and shared with some pals looking to do the same thing as me. Thank you!
Great pacing, all relevant information and no time wasted. Excellent video!
started with a 923 and shifter, it was a great decision. The price point also didnt scare my friends away from jumping in the game with me, i currently have a logitech g pro direct drive, you cant find a negative review about it online, logitech still hasnt let me down, however if money isnt a issue of course theres other options, but even with logitech only having 1 wheel ATM you know more are coming
People always forget this one. The upgrades they did from the G29 and G920 are great. Small amount of haptics on the wheel itself makes the audio of the vehicles rumble your experience even better. Also the pedal upgrade, so much more realistic until you get a pedal set with loadcells. Best starter pedals IMO. I used the G923 for a solid year with no complaints BUT the noise when racing offroad.
Due to low budget i got myself a thurstmaster t248, which is both, gear and belt driven. With small diameter wheel it feels toyish but it's quite hard to change it. As entry level i think it's acceptable because it has simmilar price to Logitech but has got the belt
Lots of sim drifter videos are with logitech wheel g27 g29 g920 g923 just need to do a lut. But the t300 is an upgrade if you can afford it. In my country the t300 with no shifter is worth more than double what the g29 is selling for
Any wheel is better than no wheel, but the T300 is significantly better than the logitech. Even with LUT they rotate too slow to simulate real life due to the gear drive. Can you drive around that? Sure. Is it realistic? No. That said... nothing wrong with working within the bounds of what you can afford and what's available to you.
Lmao I just bought a g29. I completely agree that you have to do a lot yourself but it is cool drifting around. I'm also not old enough to drive so I wouldn't know what its like. Great video though!
Eh, at the end of the day any wheel is better than no wheel. Appreciate it!
Going from the T300 RS to the fanatec DDpro 8nm with load cells= massive difference. And now Gt7 in vr 👌. Excellent. I don't play ACC anymore. I think the DD pro even on console is a lot better compared to using the T300 RS on pc. Just my thoughts. I could be wrong. Dirt 2.0 and wrc generations. Amazing. F1 2022...very good with the DD pro and mclaren open wheel. It's still som cade, I know. Gt7 compared to ACC had a lot more to offer. Sim cade or not. And gt7 now on psvr2. Was my best racing experience ever. The interiors in vr are insane. Not one game has that.
No one cares if sim cade or not, the fun you having is what matters. Enjoy it the way u wanna
@@AliceinWonderlands indeed. This sim cade vs real sim debate is so funny.
I like how you get straight to the point and don't talk like a media robot. With that unnatural and stupid rhythm voice tone that some people talk while reading reviews.
Big downside of Logitech for me is that their software/drivers seem to be glitchy and bug ridden. The anti-overheat circuitry kept activating even when the wheel was cold meaning that i regularly lost my ffb gain in the middle of races. Also, the wheel rotation kept resetting to 900 degrees which isn't much use when you're trying to find an F1 car and need something around 360 degrees. Since upgrading to a Fanatec CSL Elite a few years ago I've had no issues other than a couple of minor driver issues that were easily rectified by reinstalling an earlier version.
When I went from a G27 -> TS-PC immediately the thing I noticed wasn't so much the extra force but the way in which I could now recover from a somewhat sharp snap. On the G27 a sudden snap would lead to a seesaw motion eventually leading to a spin, this being due to the wheel not keeping up with the wheels on the car in game. Overall I'd say a better stronger wheel leads to much better consistency and a far better idea of what the car is doing
TS-PC is the wheelbase from thrustmaster right?
actually looking into this hobby recently. always amazes me in every facet of a hobby how deep shit goes and how deep you allow yourself to get into them. this by far is a really cool hobby and cant wait to join this "friendly" community from what ive seen??? looking for a budget T300 lol are there no other options like lower ver. of a thrustmaster > Logitech? thanks for the content you produce!
Like any community sim racing/drifting has some elitist type folks in terms of gear, games, etc., but overall yeah it's a really good community. Not a ton of options below the T300 or logitech G29 unfortunately. Used is the way to go if you have the option.
If you haven't bought anything yet, Moza is coming out with an R3 bundle very soon that's PC and Xbox DD for $399. I'm in the same boat, my wheel stand arrives today and I'm waiting on the above wheel to be released.
@@omniscient420I’m trying to get a DD wheel but am a bit conflicted on what I should get… moza or fanatec? My budget is up to 1k… I was first looking at the t300 Ferrari alcantara but I’m not sure
@@tuff77777it depends on what platforms you're going to use it on. I'm going with Moza for Xbox/PC. Fanatec has a larger ecosystem with lots to choose from. Moza is still new so who knows how they will grow. I'm fairly casual right now.
Well done video. Quick and clear with great info. Nice change from the many UA-camr noisy theatrics.
I've used both a thrustmaster and a logitech. There are pros and cons to both. I will say it's easier to get a clutch and shifter with logitech which has ultimately won me out
Yeah, the H-shifter price with Thrustmaster is what turned me over to the Logitech. I know I'm gonna upgrade eventually, so I just want to get my foot in the door.
I had a g29, now a logitech pro, and I love it super easy to set up and has a good feel to it. I also had a fanatic dd2 before the logitech Pro, and I hated it. I'm not in the 90s anymore to spend hours or days to set up drivers and firmware.
Number 1 thing I recommend to anyone who's getting into sim racing or have been in it for awhile. Transducers for chair, it adds engine, road, and tire feel in the chair, it's an absolute MUST have.
I’ve rocked a g920 for 3 years and have no complaints
Got this one now and I do like it great start but looking at a direct drive soon.. Anything to start is better than nothing for sure.. pc is the way to go..
Would love to see an update on this video taking into account the GT7 physics patches (more realistic !), the Logitech G Pro wheel (direct drive!) and PS VR2. Thanks for your video !
Would love to but I'm just a regular dude with a full time job lol so finding the time and money to dig into all these different setups is a little difficult at the moment. Maybe once the channel takes off (fingers crossed).
@@JankyDrift fair enough. Cheers 🍻
@@JankyDrift Buy it, review it, return it for refund 😂Amazon is very customer friendly about returns.
Finally. Advice from someone seemingly genuine. Thanks mate
Hands down the best, no nonsense, video for people looking to get into sim drifting. Good stuff.
Upgraded my PC from a 3080 to a 4090, as well as every other part recently. This made me want to try sim racing as modern racing games look incredible at maxed out graphics, and I went for a Fanatec CSL DD + F1 wheel + CSL Elite V2 Pedals, for cockpit a Playseat trophy (no space for a playseat F1 ultimate) and a G9 Neo 49", and sometimes using my Quest 3 for VR. Well worth the money, I highly recommend spending more if possible. Between playing on my setup and my friends, who uses a g29 clamped to his desk, its light and day. He comes over a lot more often now to "hang out" meanwhile he just sits and races all day. Anyways good vid.
as a Logitech G27 owner, I can confirm Logitech wheels arent the best for drifting, the FFB is slow, clunky and loud, which I dont mind, but I plan on upgrading to a T300 RS GT or maybe even a DD wheel when I get the money for it. Very good video
Used a Logitech g920 wheel for a long time now. Tried learning to drift and couldn’t do it. Spent weeks at a time learning, then going away and coming back again with same result. Then I got a direct drive wheel yesterday and within half hour of trying to drift once I got use to the wheel, I was doing donuts more consistently, gaining back control at corners more consistently and actually drifting without spinning out. Sure I still spin out. But it feels like I actually started to get it. And looking forward to using it more on days off to learn. Also my lap time has improved slightly on the brands hatch course. But I think that’s because the feedback is faster to feel, and more responsive.
Great video! Appreciate the advice. I went with the full budget build route to save money for my real e36 lol. Hoping it translates to the real thing well enough. A little concerned that I’ll have to upgrade if it starts to reinforce bad habits tho.
Yeah I get that lol. Been looking at upgrading my pedals but at the same time trying to get some seats for the Z. Assuming you're talking logitech, def play around with whatever LUT updates people recommend. Not to say you can't transition from logi, but I can definitely see it being easier from Thrustmaster.
Thanks mate. Literally trying to decide what set up to invest in for a start. Lots of great info in this vid and well presented with a cool sense of humour. Nice
I own a g 29 and a trustmaster t300 and i'can say the logitech feels much more like a toy. But for beginners the g29 is just the perfect steering wheel to start sim racing
When I first got into sim racing about 7 years ago and moved from controller to a non-FFB thrustmaster 458 italia wheel and pedal set which had bungee strap of the force to center the wheel. After a year or so on that, I upgraded to the T300RS pack with the t3pa pedals. Anyone looking into reviews comparing the Logitech and T300 options will undoubtedly come across reviews saying the T300 overheats etc. and that logitech is better - WRONG! I live in a region where summer temps reach over 40c and the T300 as my daily driver has never failed me once, not even a hint of FFB fade. The unit is solid, the stock wheel in-hand feels good. Logitech spend the FFB motor bugdet on the leather wheel wrap and left the buyer to experience ancient gear FFB. In a nutshell, I have been using Thrustmaster wheels and pedals for almost 10 years and not a single mechanical failure with daily use. Of course dont set your FFB to 100% in the software but rather in the game being played and you will have a long time friend steering you in the right direction day in and day out.
Hahah, you bought cheap Mario Kart wheels, Logitech has good wheels too
Why buy crap ?
I second everything you said in the video lol. I'm currently running a logitech g920 +shifter +keyboard ebrake that I've modded into feeling more """realistic""", such as increased brake and clutch resistors, resistor bands in the shifter and, after snapping the gear on my first g920, upgradging to a more sturdy gearset.
What I can tell people wanting to start off is to NOT BUY LOGITECH. It is almost a guarantee that you will run into issues with your setup and teach yourself bad habits along the way to compensate. To compound those issues, unless you're really tech savvy or know what a drift car is actually supposed to feel like then you likely won't even know that you're teaching yourself bad habits along the way.
On top of that, logitech software is notorious for bugging out and im currently experiencing centering issues with my logitech even after a complete PC/hardware wipe and LUT mapping my wheel.
All in all, seat time is king, even on a sim, but sub-par seat time isn't doing you any favors.
Lol I'm impressed with the level of effort you went through to make the logitech decent. Let your story be a cautionary tale.
@@JankyDrift you can polish a turd, but at the end of the day it's still a turd lol.
in my country I got G29 with half the price of T300, G29 also come with much greater warranty of 24 months compare to T300... But it could be because there's no official distributor of Thrusmaster here
It’s more expensive but I’m of the camp of buying stuff that you won’t replace in the future.
Investing in a strong rig right from the go is the way to go. So in the future when you upgrade to a direct drive you know your rig will be able to handle it.
I also recommend going straight to a load cell brake pedal. Sure spring loaded potentiometer pedals will get you started but you’re going to be giving lap time up.
I don't disagree if you've got the cash to burn and know you're going to stick with it. But at the same time FB marketplace is generally littered with setups that people thought they were going to stick with and didn't. I still say if this is your first foray there's nothing wrong with a beginner setup to test the waters.
You'd also be amazed at how many people I get arguing for bottom of the line logitech gear being good enough.
That depends on your situation. If you're not sure you're going to really get into the hobby you don't want to shell out a bunch of cash on something you may seldom use as using lower-end things can be great for getting your foot through the door as someone who doesn't have a lot of expendable cash.
Being cheaper also means you can get something faster if it requires time to save. As a result, it can be worth it in terms of getting your hand on something that much sooner as and you can still save for the higher-end thing or you might even just get comfortable with what you already purchased (resulting in you not needing to upgrade) as bear in mind these things have severe diminishing returns in some cases.
It's a similar logic to hire purchase where you pay more in the long run but you get your hand on the thing you want that much faster, you just have to consider your situation and find out what works best as there is no one-size fits all solution; bear in mind the cost and time differs by region in some cases. Not only does your job determine your income but also what country you do it in
MIDPOND!!!! Awesome to see that the track is on assetto corsa. I’m about to build my first sim setup and your video has helped me leaps and bounds. Maybe I’ll catch you out at Midpond one day!
I got the g29 some time ago it was kinda weird the force feedback but after some things i did it feels good but the main problem is the rotation of the wheel it rotates slowly but overall it's fine
Because I mainly drift and stuff so the rotation is pretty important if I want to do corner right after each other but it works fine ig
@@Andieu9753 drifting is horrible on the g29, exactly why i sold mine
Oculus Quest 2 with Assetto corsa here.
Go with the Index if your looking for a good VR racing experience. Oculus Link has some issues when playing and I find things that are far away look almost like a video with a very low bitrate. very blurry and blocky.
Love the channel man, I’ve been sim racing/drifting for a few years and have really been looking into buying another 350z to drift, and you showing your experiences/progress makes it a lot less intimidating. Also what do you do for practicing tandems? not to be mean but alot of people in some of the popular servers are still learning lol. Just wondering if maybe there’s more serious servers, or maybe discord groups. Figured I’d ask. Love the content!
Awesome to hear, honestly my main goal for the channel is to make it less intimidating and get other folks to make the jump.
I'm sure there are some more serious servers out there but I just join whatever and drift around a bit until you spot the few folks on the server who look decent, then start snugging up. This is very much how real life tandems have been in my experience as well, spotting for the people closest to your skill/car level who look consistent enough to avoid wrecking your car. Then approach and ask if they'd be up for tandems.
Then inevitably some body smacks into you from behind and wrecks the whole train lol.
After I discovered Tokyo no Hesi servers and the drift physics on AC, I really want to build a PC with VR. AC on PC is a car guys dream game. Street racing midnight club style and drifting the togue in VR looks so fun and amazing. And the audio is sooo good. A lot of love goes into those AC mods.
Okay you got me with that paid ad, gotta love an honest beggar haha. Earned a sub
hey man, considering g923 for xbox. im just gonna play every so often and don't need a crazy setup what's your opinion
Definitely a good option. Maybe a g920. It’s also for Xbox and I use it on pc and it’s fantastic for a pro setup if you’re not picky about force feedback
I jumped from Logitech to simagic, and as soon as I hit the power, my breaker blew🙃
Which simagic?
Best video 4 me as someone who know not mutch about simracing and want to start . thanks a lot ;)
THANK YOU! Exactly the video I was looking for. All others were for people with not as much pc and car experience. You answered all my questions thanks again.
i'd suggest a 12nm direct drive wheel base and load cell pedals.
I have gotten multiple friends into sim racing with the logitech, its a great starter wheel for someone unsure if they actually want to sim race.
Nice video.
I few years back I got the T-150. I don’t recommend it, some times the wheel doesn’t give any feedback of what the car is doing
Just looking to build a home made rig. I have a logitech driving force gt that I got for half price 2 years ago😂. I'm planning to upgrade since software is getting outdated. But first I want to build the rig. I have an existing tv allready not the best but it is full hd and hella huge. It will be good to start but defenetly willing to upgrade.
you have the same music with the guys over at missedapex podcast! took me a while to figure out. both you guys occupy the racing scene so I guess also have similar taste in music? Moved from a g29 to a tspc. but the shift from potentiometer to Thrustmaster's TS-PC definitely was the bigger upgrade. Good stuff!
Lol its one of the few free metal songs you can get from the UA-cam library without them hitting you with copyright claims. Similar taste in music, probably, but just as much having limited choices. 😭
😂 for a oem g series i agree. But if your on a budget, you can easily mod a g series wheel to be better than almost anything out there. I perfer my 2 of my g29s, over my t300, my csl elite, only 2 wheel bases that are better is simucube and monza. Granted monza is just pretty decent for the price range. The g29 can easily be converted to a belt drive system, or a direct drive system if you know what your doing. But you really dont need all that unluss sound is a major issue for you. The "slop" in the gear system is easily fixed by swapping out the rack n pinon setup. Want more tq, just increase the tooth count on the gears in the 2 motors, which can also be upgraded. On my gear driven g29 im pushing 18.4nm tq. So needless to say i really need to turn ffb down in alot of games. Theres zero slop in the wheel, and with a pull of a pin i go from 900° to 1080° for trucking games. Besides the cost of the base itself, im only $138 into mods on the gear driven one. Were as belt driven mod can be had for $76 or dd conversion at $215. But in all honesty the gear driven setup feels alot better to me, so its my go to wheel. My t300, csl elite, simucube aplha, and monza are all just crammed in the closet for now.
A bit late but I can't stress enough how good of an advice this is! I bought G29 as my first wheel and it lfet me very disappointed. I sold it very quickly and got T300 instead and I couldn't have been happier. For the difference in price it is well worth it. I hated the grindy feeling of the G29 wheel, the loudness it made and hard ability to drift at all.
So you couldn’t drift, and decided to blame the wheel instead of your own lack of ability? Makes sense😂😂😂
@@Manning0151 yeah, kinda, don't have an rwd, so I had to learn drifting on wheel, and on G29 it was hard and unrealistic. went to T300 and now I have at least some capability. anything else you want to mock me on?
The Fanatec CSL DD is available in a bundle for around 400 bucks.
And it’s direct drive!
The someone standing behind you VR thing had me dying. Anytime I hear a noise I get a little paranoid when I'm racing in VR. I had a stink bug hit me the other day and ripped off my headset so fast.
I have a homebuilt stand with one of the stock seat out of my race car and a g920. I added a handbrake and changed to a real steering wheel. I see nothing wrong with starting out on a g920 or g29. I mainly do drifting and I don't have any issues with transitioning on it.
This. It seems “drifters” find the g29 suitable but people hunting lap times find them a bit lacking.
@@solaryellowis3007 I don't have any issues with running hot laps. The longer you use it and the more you mess with settings the better it gets. I'm not saying it compares to a direct drive but I don't get all the hate around the g29 and g920. They're perfectly good wheels for entry level drifting and racing.
YES ive built my rig around one of those ikea chairs! Actually works REALLY well as a driving position as it's fairly reclined. Home built is the way to go if you have the means
Omg just keep getting better and better!!!! I love it
This is the most helpful video I've seen, what is the name of your cockpit... it is PERFECT for what I need.
Great advice! I followed exactly none of it. I decided to go with the G920 on Xbox in front of my TV using a home built stand I made out of scrap 2x4's and plywood... cost next to nothing and it's super fun :)
Thank for the info! I recently purchased my first sim rig; therefore, I've kept it relatively cost effective by purchasing the GT Omega Classic wheel stand and seat mount. I picked a driver seat from a 2015 Mini Cooper for $100 from a junk yard (saved me $200). Lastly, I went with the Logitech G923 to go with my PSVR2 headset. If I enjoy this rig, I will upgrade the components, including the wheel. In your opinion, if money were not an option, which wheel and pedal setup would you choose?
Honestly I have no idea. There's a bunch of sim focused channels out there that could probably answer better than I can in terms of expensive gear, but my focus is generally bang for the buck because I'm trying to also balance the cost of drifting in real life.
My setup now is a decent low-mid range:
Simagic Alpha Mini
Thrustmaster TLCM
TM TH8A shifter
Gt Omega Art
If I had a bunch of money I'd probably go higher end and include a motion rig, but would really have to do some more research to see what that would be.
@@JankyDrift Hobbies, why do they have to be so expensive? HAHA! - Thanks for the quality feedback!
What about the g923?
I've played on the tmx for 3 years and decided I should upgrade, moved on to the tsxw, open wheel and tlcm, night and day improvement.
Hi there. Im thinking of upgrading from my tmx to a tx or tsxw. Do you still feel the little stops and gears like when youre turning the wheel? I feel like when i use tmx i can feel im rotating some sort of gears and it is not 100% smooth
Great video, I have a baisc rig set up, with a Logic wheel mounted to a basic desk, but I use VR, I find especially with drifting that I drive a lot harder than using the screen.
PC setup here, First timer. That picture of you lol, that's me (minus the headset) G29 too lol, regardless of the title as well, idk if anything honestly could make me better. Ive realized just how COMPLETE SHIT I am at SIM.. This is going to be a LOOOONG Journey!
I will upgrade my PC this year and I will focus on building my first SIM RACING RIG next year. It is always my dream to have a SIM RACING RIG at home since I was a kid.
first! haha, i can definetly suggest going for thrustmaster instead of logitech, i had the g27 back in the days, then switched to t500rs and it still works after 6 years, i want to get to DD but $$$$
Yeah if my bank account had an extra zero or two I'd go DD for sure, but my T300 gets the job done.
Just upgraded to a t500 rs it’s great
The fact that you can get a G923 + Playseat Challenge + Quest 3 for under $1000 is kind of INSANE.
Is there anywhere that you can get a triple monitor setup for the price of a Quest? Is there any wheel set where you can get a wheel+ triple pedal + gear shifter for under $300?
I have been using a rental G29 with a Playseat Challenge for several weeks. Frankly speaking, the force feedback was so lost in the chair flex, wheel flex, gearing play, that in the end i found it completely useless as a tool that should communicate car&track information to me as a driver. It felt like the only things the "feedback" did was resist rotation and occasionally push my hands. All ridiculously grainy and happening with a micro delay. I'd say using a PS5 gamepad with tilt-to-steer controls in GT7 was more effective and convenient for me after adjusting, with the only downside that it is not fixed in one place and does not allow for 900 degree rotation. On the bright side, the gamepad has nice adaptive triggers which allowed to feel some sense of grip when braking and accelerating, compared to basic G29 pedals.
I got brand new g923 for 170$ and it was the best purchase i've ever made. I got myself logitech shifter and 3d printed hall-sensor handbrake. I fit within 230$ for everything and it works well, but I might upgrade in the future
I currently own a logitech g29 that I bought for cheap as I didn’t have the money or space for a full setup.
Soon going to live on my own so now I have the space but still no money so I’ll probably buy a decent stand with seat and call it done.
So I bought a t150 a few years ago. Love it but imma go for a t300 here soon as I bought the t150 pro, so I got the t3pa pedals
these days go with a csl DD pro from fanatec or go with a Monza r 5. Ready to race bundles for about $400.00
Honestly I think if you're going to go DD you should go for some future proofing and do R9 at a minimum. Lot's of folks going to eventually want more torque than the R5 can provide.
I have a question about Fanatec. I want to buy a decent setup, so I immediately thought of a whole Fanatec setup, but several people say that wouldn't be the case. Fanatec is not that good at all, in the end.
A year ago i got the chance of getting a Thrustmaster TGT with a playseat alcantara for 650 euros, then i bought the SSH shifter new with the side plate for the playseat then a Rift s headset second hand and then i ordered a 16 bit hall sensor handbrake new, overall i'm so happy with my setup, racing GT cars is allot of fun and drifting is even more fun, only part is i'm more towards drifting and my friends are more towards GT racing, overall budget was 1100 and my pockets are still burning, great video whould recommend it to everyone who's thinking on buying a wheel.
BTW maby a bit random but if anyone is down to drift at any point pls let me know, i'm down for anycars even vdc
What about the T248 compared to the T300? I am currently wondering between those two, especially since they seem the be the same price around where I live in the used market
i wish i looked further when i bought my irst wheel got my logitech g29 (pc) for 5-6yrs now an have an issue that some buttons are triggered when i dont touch any buttons, found others with the same issue its the cable loosens IN the wheel over time i could open it but i heard the issue comes bak after time so for now controls as headlights, hazards, wipers and so on id use my keyboard and the bearing FFB is really loud by now man wished i took 80 bucks more for a t300
I got my g29 a while ago and I love it but definitely want to upgrade. My issue is I really like gran turismo 7 and need a wheel that is compatible with it.
I believe the fanatec wheels are compatible.
I bought a Ps5 just for gran turismo 7...
asseto corso was really rough looking.. and the servers were empty..
forza horizon 5 similarly also felt empty....
but good thing is I can switch back over to my gaming pc if a better racing game comes out.
not ready for iracing yet.
I wish there was a physical shop where you could try out different gear first before spending hundreds or even thousands of dollars.