Watch my latest video on this for a deeper dive into wheelbases - Do I still think you should buy a T300? ua-cam.com/video/CAIdUVooylQ/v-deo.htmlsi=U-8Z8EF7ztvU8GBS
Just a quick tip for those starting on a budget: If you have some old joystick for flying sims lying around just use that as a handbrake. You ofc have to setup axis accordingly but its not difficult and you get lots of extra buttons as a bonus.
@@xavierpayne7179 Im pretty sure you can. There is a app for AC called Joycam however Ive never tried it myself. But from what Ive seen gamepad might be better for this as it basically emulates controls of a drone.
I bought myself a Logitech G29 and shifter as my first wheel and pedal set and I'm pleased as punch with it. In fact, I also built a Ricmotech RS-1 and bolted everything down. Bolted down wheel for stability, bolted on 6-speed shifter, inverted pedals also bolted on. Actual car seat from a junkyard. It's very nice. I've gotten plenty of compliments on it. Also replaced the brake pedal spring with a newer one like the G923 has. I've been playing PS3 and PC games with it. Gran Turismo 5/6, F1 2010, American Truck Simulator, Forza Horizon 4, and at some point, Assetto Corsa.
Thats great its working for you.ive ow ed two logitech wheels. The g27 and g920 both equally junk but in different ways. If you are driving close to pro levels it will destroy the logitech wheels.. They're a horrible investment considering the price of the moza r5 .
Yea like every thing in life, each of their own. I bought g20 for my son to play his racing games. Huge upgrade from entry PXN V9 😂. Now the more I watch videos, I’m ready to spend $500-$1000 😅. But I let my son play this G20 til he gets a summer job since all his friends use the same wheel. Send me a link of your set up? Debating to build one from a Skyline seat I prob could get for cheap
@@cristianadangonzalez628 I use my G29 on my PS3 Slim model just fine. The only problem with it is that on PS3 it emulates the Logitech Driving Force GT, not the G25/27, so you don't get the clutch pedal and you cannot use the 6-speed H-pattern shifter. That only works on PS4/PS5 and PC, unfortunately. But it's fine. I can paddle-shift my way through F1 2010 and Gran Turismo 5/6.
Wow!! This is by far THE most straight to the point video i watched about simracing! Every topic about sim race gear is explained in just the right depth. Very well done my man!❤💪👍
Number 1 thing I recommend to anyone who's getting into sim racing or have been in it for awhile. Transducers for chair, it adds engine, road, and tire feel in the chair, it's an absolute MUST have.
I totally agree with this, I have the logitech g29. And while it is obviously a great upgrade from a controller I am kind disappointed in it, it feels like an expensive kid's toy and I regret not spending a bit more for belt driven. I am happy that it comes with a clutch pedal though because many pedal sets don't, and the good ones with a clutch are quite expensive. I also got the logitech shifter and later on got a fanatec handbrake to make drifting a bit easier.
My friend couldn't find t300 that I have, and bought g29. It feels like toy compared to t300, difference is really big for the small difference in cost. G29 is okay, you still can drive on it and feel things, but it really lacks power and you can drive it with your fingers, it is that lite, while on the other hand my hands hurt on t300 after 30minutes of driving, and I only use 85% of force. But pedals wise, I found g29 ones to be more intuitive because they are similar feel to todays modern car pedals (which is not something you find in race car), and I had to learn to use t300 ones for quite some time, they are sturdy but have really almost no force back, so at least you can be happy with that
@@Tomica031It is actually difficult to find the T300, especially if you are not living in the USA. In contrast, the G29 is widely available. Furthermore, the G29 features a fantastic shifter(fo its money) that is compatible exclusively with this wheel and is three times cheaper than the shifter from Thrustmaster. I genuinely desire a T300, but purchasing it is not as straightforward.
@@slavaukraini8061 yep, like I said, g29 is good starter point and pedals are very good (better than t300 ones you get), if only they put full belt system like t300 and raised price up a bit it would be so perfect
I left a comment elsewhere but look up LUT generator and make one for your wheel. It will make a huge difference in improving the feeling. If you aren’t familiarliar, it’s software that creates a customized force feedback curve for your wheel which you can then use in various racing sims so that the force feedback is much more accurate to what the game intended it to feel like. I cannot overstate how much of a difference it makes, especially the more subtle force feedback effects feel so much better after setting one up. That’s what I did with my Logitech and it’s so much better than what it is stock.
I've been using a G920 attached to my computer desk for about three years. I play ACC and F1 2020 and it works well enough for me. It would be fun to have a sim rig but I can't justify the money and space it requires.
I have been using a Thrustmaster TMX Wheel for the last 3 Years now on PC and Xbox and I can say its great fun for casuals. It's a bit cheaper feeling but the compatibility with other Thrustmaster products works well. I now have the Shifter and better pedals and it's great. The wheel is around 200 now.
Love the wheel stand + playseat combination. Never thought about combining them and turn them into the ultimate “compact sim rig”. Thanks for the tip man!
started with a 923 and shifter, it was a great decision. The price point also didnt scare my friends away from jumping in the game with me, i currently have a logitech g pro direct drive, you cant find a negative review about it online, logitech still hasnt let me down, however if money isnt a issue of course theres other options, but even with logitech only having 1 wheel ATM you know more are coming
People always forget this one. The upgrades they did from the G29 and G920 are great. Small amount of haptics on the wheel itself makes the audio of the vehicles rumble your experience even better. Also the pedal upgrade, so much more realistic until you get a pedal set with loadcells. Best starter pedals IMO. I used the G923 for a solid year with no complaints BUT the noise when racing offroad.
While i mostly agree, if you want a setup with a shifter the thrustmaster is lot more expensive compared to Logitech. A friend of mine tried both and went with the g29 because he didnt feel much diference.
Yep! I've encountered this problem multiple times over the last week browsing racing wheels. I found a new Logitech wheel set with a shifter included for just over $200. Beginners may not want to deal with the complexity of clutches and manual gearboxes but if you wanted to check it out without spending $150 on the shifter alone then Logitech is the best way to go.
I decided to get t300rs but when i went to get one, it was more than double the price of g29. Hence I chose g29. My friend got a t128. We both are noobs and just play for fun together with our friends. Imo, honestly both the wheels are awesome. Just get any force feedback wheel that falls in your budget. For serious sim racing dd is the best i guess.
I started on a g27 back when it released in 2010 playing rFactor drifting online (sorta) with mates via a vpn and some trickery to appear as a local network... anyway I used that bolted to my table right up until about 2016 when I figured I should invest something into my hobby. I got a GT Omega frame which set off a wild change of events for even better immersion. I then got a full Fanatec setup and vr which led into a full Trak Racer extrusion rig. It's an expensive hobby. XD Great video.
I second everything you said in the video lol. I'm currently running a logitech g920 +shifter +keyboard ebrake that I've modded into feeling more """realistic""", such as increased brake and clutch resistors, resistor bands in the shifter and, after snapping the gear on my first g920, upgradging to a more sturdy gearset. What I can tell people wanting to start off is to NOT BUY LOGITECH. It is almost a guarantee that you will run into issues with your setup and teach yourself bad habits along the way to compensate. To compound those issues, unless you're really tech savvy or know what a drift car is actually supposed to feel like then you likely won't even know that you're teaching yourself bad habits along the way. On top of that, logitech software is notorious for bugging out and im currently experiencing centering issues with my logitech even after a complete PC/hardware wipe and LUT mapping my wheel. All in all, seat time is king, even on a sim, but sub-par seat time isn't doing you any favors.
I agree with this so much. I started on a t150 thrustmaster setup on os4 playing gt6 and ACC. It was fun. Got me into the hobyy. But about two month later i ran across a deal on a used t300. It was game one from then on. Im now in a full direct drive fanatec rig on pc
Lmao I just bought a g29. I completely agree that you have to do a lot yourself but it is cool drifting around. I'm also not old enough to drive so I wouldn't know what its like. Great video though!
Logitech us best for beginners with low budget. I have my G29 almost since release, no issues at all, still works great. I'm saving money now for G Pro or Moza setup.
Going from the T300 RS to the fanatec DDpro 8nm with load cells= massive difference. And now Gt7 in vr 👌. Excellent. I don't play ACC anymore. I think the DD pro even on console is a lot better compared to using the T300 RS on pc. Just my thoughts. I could be wrong. Dirt 2.0 and wrc generations. Amazing. F1 2022...very good with the DD pro and mclaren open wheel. It's still som cade, I know. Gt7 compared to ACC had a lot more to offer. Sim cade or not. And gt7 now on psvr2. Was my best racing experience ever. The interiors in vr are insane. Not one game has that.
Well you just saved me money. I also have a t300 that I upgraded from a g920. And the difference was huge. Good to know DDs arent as big of a difference.
It’s more expensive but I’m of the camp of buying stuff that you won’t replace in the future. Investing in a strong rig right from the go is the way to go. So in the future when you upgrade to a direct drive you know your rig will be able to handle it. I also recommend going straight to a load cell brake pedal. Sure spring loaded potentiometer pedals will get you started but you’re going to be giving lap time up.
I don't disagree if you've got the cash to burn and know you're going to stick with it. But at the same time FB marketplace is generally littered with setups that people thought they were going to stick with and didn't. I still say if this is your first foray there's nothing wrong with a beginner setup to test the waters. You'd also be amazed at how many people I get arguing for bottom of the line logitech gear being good enough.
That depends on your situation. If you're not sure you're going to really get into the hobby you don't want to shell out a bunch of cash on something you may seldom use as using lower-end things can be great for getting your foot through the door as someone who doesn't have a lot of expendable cash. Being cheaper also means you can get something faster if it requires time to save. As a result, it can be worth it in terms of getting your hand on something that much sooner as and you can still save for the higher-end thing or you might even just get comfortable with what you already purchased (resulting in you not needing to upgrade) as bear in mind these things have severe diminishing returns in some cases. It's a similar logic to hire purchase where you pay more in the long run but you get your hand on the thing you want that much faster, you just have to consider your situation and find out what works best as there is no one-size fits all solution; bear in mind the cost and time differs by region in some cases. Not only does your job determine your income but also what country you do it in
actually looking into this hobby recently. always amazes me in every facet of a hobby how deep shit goes and how deep you allow yourself to get into them. this by far is a really cool hobby and cant wait to join this "friendly" community from what ive seen??? looking for a budget T300 lol are there no other options like lower ver. of a thrustmaster > Logitech? thanks for the content you produce!
Like any community sim racing/drifting has some elitist type folks in terms of gear, games, etc., but overall yeah it's a really good community. Not a ton of options below the T300 or logitech G29 unfortunately. Used is the way to go if you have the option.
If you haven't bought anything yet, Moza is coming out with an R3 bundle very soon that's PC and Xbox DD for $399. I'm in the same boat, my wheel stand arrives today and I'm waiting on the above wheel to be released.
@@omniscient420I’m trying to get a DD wheel but am a bit conflicted on what I should get… moza or fanatec? My budget is up to 1k… I was first looking at the t300 Ferrari alcantara but I’m not sure
@@tuff77777it depends on what platforms you're going to use it on. I'm going with Moza for Xbox/PC. Fanatec has a larger ecosystem with lots to choose from. Moza is still new so who knows how they will grow. I'm fairly casual right now.
Got this one now and I do like it great start but looking at a direct drive soon.. Anything to start is better than nothing for sure.. pc is the way to go..
Love the channel man, I’ve been sim racing/drifting for a few years and have really been looking into buying another 350z to drift, and you showing your experiences/progress makes it a lot less intimidating. Also what do you do for practicing tandems? not to be mean but alot of people in some of the popular servers are still learning lol. Just wondering if maybe there’s more serious servers, or maybe discord groups. Figured I’d ask. Love the content!
Awesome to hear, honestly my main goal for the channel is to make it less intimidating and get other folks to make the jump. I'm sure there are some more serious servers out there but I just join whatever and drift around a bit until you spot the few folks on the server who look decent, then start snugging up. This is very much how real life tandems have been in my experience as well, spotting for the people closest to your skill/car level who look consistent enough to avoid wrecking your car. Then approach and ask if they'd be up for tandems. Then inevitably some body smacks into you from behind and wrecks the whole train lol.
When I first got into sim racing about 7 years ago and moved from controller to a non-FFB thrustmaster 458 italia wheel and pedal set which had bungee strap of the force to center the wheel. After a year or so on that, I upgraded to the T300RS pack with the t3pa pedals. Anyone looking into reviews comparing the Logitech and T300 options will undoubtedly come across reviews saying the T300 overheats etc. and that logitech is better - WRONG! I live in a region where summer temps reach over 40c and the T300 as my daily driver has never failed me once, not even a hint of FFB fade. The unit is solid, the stock wheel in-hand feels good. Logitech spend the FFB motor bugdet on the leather wheel wrap and left the buyer to experience ancient gear FFB. In a nutshell, I have been using Thrustmaster wheels and pedals for almost 10 years and not a single mechanical failure with daily use. Of course dont set your FFB to 100% in the software but rather in the game being played and you will have a long time friend steering you in the right direction day in and day out.
as a Logitech G27 owner, I can confirm Logitech wheels arent the best for drifting, the FFB is slow, clunky and loud, which I dont mind, but I plan on upgrading to a T300 RS GT or maybe even a DD wheel when I get the money for it. Very good video
Lots of sim drifter videos are with logitech wheel g27 g29 g920 g923 just need to do a lut. But the t300 is an upgrade if you can afford it. In my country the t300 with no shifter is worth more than double what the g29 is selling for
Any wheel is better than no wheel, but the T300 is significantly better than the logitech. Even with LUT they rotate too slow to simulate real life due to the gear drive. Can you drive around that? Sure. Is it realistic? No. That said... nothing wrong with working within the bounds of what you can afford and what's available to you.
I used to race modded clunkers at an old dirt track when I was a kid, then I got married, had kids and life kind of got in the way of my favorite past time. Kids are teenagers, I'm out of the army, so I'm ready to get back into this without the risk of dying in a car fire. Thank you so much.
Definitely feel you on getting less daring as i get older. Check out the game wreck fest if you haven't already, don't think the physics are as realistic but might be up your alley.
Maybe t300 has a better overall feel but my t300 broke in a month. RMA'd it but I wanted to test g29 too so I chose that instead. I stuck with g29 I didn't feel much downgrade and logi after years like when I bought it.
Finally someone speaking the truth about Logitech. I had one for 3 hours. Told myself if this is what sim racing was then I wasn't interested. Got a t300 and lo and behold it felt like driving a car and not a box of gears.
Due to low budget i got myself a thurstmaster t248, which is both, gear and belt driven. With small diameter wheel it feels toyish but it's quite hard to change it. As entry level i think it's acceptable because it has simmilar price to Logitech but has got the belt
After I discovered Tokyo no Hesi servers and the drift physics on AC, I really want to build a PC with VR. AC on PC is a car guys dream game. Street racing midnight club style and drifting the togue in VR looks so fun and amazing. And the audio is sooo good. A lot of love goes into those AC mods.
Big downside of Logitech for me is that their software/drivers seem to be glitchy and bug ridden. The anti-overheat circuitry kept activating even when the wheel was cold meaning that i regularly lost my ffb gain in the middle of races. Also, the wheel rotation kept resetting to 900 degrees which isn't much use when you're trying to find an F1 car and need something around 360 degrees. Since upgrading to a Fanatec CSL Elite a few years ago I've had no issues other than a couple of minor driver issues that were easily rectified by reinstalling an earlier version.
Thanks mate. Literally trying to decide what set up to invest in for a start. Lots of great info in this vid and well presented with a cool sense of humour. Nice
Upgraded my PC from a 3080 to a 4090, as well as every other part recently. This made me want to try sim racing as modern racing games look incredible at maxed out graphics, and I went for a Fanatec CSL DD + F1 wheel + CSL Elite V2 Pedals, for cockpit a Playseat trophy (no space for a playseat F1 ultimate) and a G9 Neo 49", and sometimes using my Quest 3 for VR. Well worth the money, I highly recommend spending more if possible. Between playing on my setup and my friends, who uses a g29 clamped to his desk, its light and day. He comes over a lot more often now to "hang out" meanwhile he just sits and races all day. Anyways good vid.
I own a g 29 and a trustmaster t300 and i'can say the logitech feels much more like a toy. But for beginners the g29 is just the perfect steering wheel to start sim racing
Used a Logitech g920 wheel for a long time now. Tried learning to drift and couldn’t do it. Spent weeks at a time learning, then going away and coming back again with same result. Then I got a direct drive wheel yesterday and within half hour of trying to drift once I got use to the wheel, I was doing donuts more consistently, gaining back control at corners more consistently and actually drifting without spinning out. Sure I still spin out. But it feels like I actually started to get it. And looking forward to using it more on days off to learn. Also my lap time has improved slightly on the brands hatch course. But I think that’s because the feedback is faster to feel, and more responsive.
I've used both a thrustmaster and a logitech. There are pros and cons to both. I will say it's easier to get a clutch and shifter with logitech which has ultimately won me out
Yeah, the H-shifter price with Thrustmaster is what turned me over to the Logitech. I know I'm gonna upgrade eventually, so I just want to get my foot in the door.
MIDPOND!!!! Awesome to see that the track is on assetto corsa. I’m about to build my first sim setup and your video has helped me leaps and bounds. Maybe I’ll catch you out at Midpond one day!
THANK YOU! Exactly the video I was looking for. All others were for people with not as much pc and car experience. You answered all my questions thanks again.
Great video! Appreciate the advice. I went with the full budget build route to save money for my real e36 lol. Hoping it translates to the real thing well enough. A little concerned that I’ll have to upgrade if it starts to reinforce bad habits tho.
Yeah I get that lol. Been looking at upgrading my pedals but at the same time trying to get some seats for the Z. Assuming you're talking logitech, def play around with whatever LUT updates people recommend. Not to say you can't transition from logi, but I can definitely see it being easier from Thrustmaster.
Definitely a good option. Maybe a g920. It’s also for Xbox and I use it on pc and it’s fantastic for a pro setup if you’re not picky about force feedback
Would love to see an update on this video taking into account the GT7 physics patches (more realistic !), the Logitech G Pro wheel (direct drive!) and PS VR2. Thanks for your video !
Would love to but I'm just a regular dude with a full time job lol so finding the time and money to dig into all these different setups is a little difficult at the moment. Maybe once the channel takes off (fingers crossed).
I had a g29, now a logitech pro, and I love it super easy to set up and has a good feel to it. I also had a fanatic dd2 before the logitech Pro, and I hated it. I'm not in the 90s anymore to spend hours or days to set up drivers and firmware.
in my country I got G29 with half the price of T300, G29 also come with much greater warranty of 24 months compare to T300... But it could be because there's no official distributor of Thrusmaster here
I got the g29 some time ago it was kinda weird the force feedback but after some things i did it feels good but the main problem is the rotation of the wheel it rotates slowly but overall it's fine
I got brand new g923 for 170$ and it was the best purchase i've ever made. I got myself logitech shifter and 3d printed hall-sensor handbrake. I fit within 230$ for everything and it works well, but I might upgrade in the future
Playseat with a Logitech G29 is perfect for me, someone who is casual and maybe races 6-8 hours a week. If you’re really into sim racing, get a DD wheel. But for someone who doesn’t have the time to dedicate to racing all week - I think my < $500 setup is perfect and money well spent. I just couldn’t commit to spending more than $500 for a setup I will use 2-3 times a week max. I feel pretty competitive with my G29 - not top tier but fast enough to compete and have fun.
I got a logitech wheel and I avoid using it because of the gear system, looking for an upgrade but nothing crazy expensive. I think you're spot on about the T300RS and will be picking one up shortly!
I will upgrade my PC this year and I will focus on building my first SIM RACING RIG next year. It is always my dream to have a SIM RACING RIG at home since I was a kid.
Bought a t80 as my first wheel. Had fun, but I wanted something a little more. I had heard force feedback was the way to go but was a little out of my budget. I bought a cheap thrustmaster tx for $240, and man, it's a blast. The belt makes a little noise, and you can tell it was someone's rig for years, but it still works perfectly. I figured if anything, I bought an overpriced thrustmaster wheel, and I can get a brand new wheelbase eventually. I also learned the importance of a clutch peddle fast.
Great advice! I followed exactly none of it. I decided to go with the G920 on Xbox in front of my TV using a home built stand I made out of scrap 2x4's and plywood... cost next to nothing and it's super fun :)
When I went from a G27 -> TS-PC immediately the thing I noticed wasn't so much the extra force but the way in which I could now recover from a somewhat sharp snap. On the G27 a sudden snap would lead to a seesaw motion eventually leading to a spin, this being due to the wheel not keeping up with the wheels on the car in game. Overall I'd say a better stronger wheel leads to much better consistency and a far better idea of what the car is doing
you have the same music with the guys over at missedapex podcast! took me a while to figure out. both you guys occupy the racing scene so I guess also have similar taste in music? Moved from a g29 to a tspc. but the shift from potentiometer to Thrustmaster's TS-PC definitely was the bigger upgrade. Good stuff!
Lol its one of the few free metal songs you can get from the UA-cam library without them hitting you with copyright claims. Similar taste in music, probably, but just as much having limited choices. 😭
😂 for a oem g series i agree. But if your on a budget, you can easily mod a g series wheel to be better than almost anything out there. I perfer my 2 of my g29s, over my t300, my csl elite, only 2 wheel bases that are better is simucube and monza. Granted monza is just pretty decent for the price range. The g29 can easily be converted to a belt drive system, or a direct drive system if you know what your doing. But you really dont need all that unluss sound is a major issue for you. The "slop" in the gear system is easily fixed by swapping out the rack n pinon setup. Want more tq, just increase the tooth count on the gears in the 2 motors, which can also be upgraded. On my gear driven g29 im pushing 18.4nm tq. So needless to say i really need to turn ffb down in alot of games. Theres zero slop in the wheel, and with a pull of a pin i go from 900° to 1080° for trucking games. Besides the cost of the base itself, im only $138 into mods on the gear driven one. Were as belt driven mod can be had for $76 or dd conversion at $215. But in all honesty the gear driven setup feels alot better to me, so its my go to wheel. My t300, csl elite, simucube aplha, and monza are all just crammed in the closet for now.
I was anticipating the release of the G29. After almost 10 years with no problem, I'm about to hand it over to my grandson and upgrade. It's important to remember that Logitech is a computer peripheral company that's been around for decades. Not to mention, one of the first companies to make high-quality aftermarket peripherals for PlayStation (PS1.) The rest of these companies only make one thing. They go about business entirely different. If you're just getting into it and need to keep price down, Logitech should be at the top of your list. Especially for reliability and ease of use. The Logitech and play seat upgrades are on the way, and I'm looking forward to not spending a dime on it for another 10 years. Don't take sim advice from a guy with a folding rig
I just got my g29 and I’m in love with it never have a problem other than I don’t have a good place to mount it so I Jerry rigged it and still one of the best wheels I’ve owned
YES ive built my rig around one of those ikea chairs! Actually works REALLY well as a driving position as it's fairly reclined. Home built is the way to go if you have the means
Thrustmaster make some solid wheelbases, I used their TS-PC for years without issue, loads better than the Logitech gear driven wheelbases. Direct drive is great but you're right the difference between a good belt drive wheelbase and a direct drive isn't as big of a difference as gear driven to belt drive. I think the TS-PC is around 4 or 5Nm and I never found it lacking, some vehicles in some sims you'll probably want to use less than full power ffb.
Totally true. I started with the G25, switched to the G27 and then made it to Thrustmaster. (T150, then T300) The FFB is much better than Logitech's. The T300 is probably the best way to start simracing, if you are on a budget. I changed the fan to a noctua fan, since the stock one is too loud. If possible, I would go with a Direct Drive Wheel. It was a game changer for me when I switched to the Moza R16 and their GS wheel. I also own the CS Wheel and bought an aftermarket wheel to have it even bigger. If you get your hands on a cheap Logitech and you are starting simracing, it is totally fine, but probably want a little more after maybe a year.
A bit late but I can't stress enough how good of an advice this is! I bought G29 as my first wheel and it lfet me very disappointed. I sold it very quickly and got T300 instead and I couldn't have been happier. For the difference in price it is well worth it. I hated the grindy feeling of the G29 wheel, the loudness it made and hard ability to drift at all.
@@Manning0151 yeah, kinda, don't have an rwd, so I had to learn drifting on wheel, and on G29 it was hard and unrealistic. went to T300 and now I have at least some capability. anything else you want to mock me on?
The someone standing behind you VR thing had me dying. Anytime I hear a noise I get a little paranoid when I'm racing in VR. I had a stink bug hit me the other day and ripped off my headset so fast.
Just looking to build a home made rig. I have a logitech driving force gt that I got for half price 2 years ago😂. I'm planning to upgrade since software is getting outdated. But first I want to build the rig. I have an existing tv allready not the best but it is full hd and hella huge. It will be good to start but defenetly willing to upgrade.
A year ago i got the chance of getting a Thrustmaster TGT with a playseat alcantara for 650 euros, then i bought the SSH shifter new with the side plate for the playseat then a Rift s headset second hand and then i ordered a 16 bit hall sensor handbrake new, overall i'm so happy with my setup, racing GT cars is allot of fun and drifting is even more fun, only part is i'm more towards drifting and my friends are more towards GT racing, overall budget was 1100 and my pockets are still burning, great video whould recommend it to everyone who's thinking on buying a wheel. BTW maby a bit random but if anyone is down to drift at any point pls let me know, i'm down for anycars even vdc
first! haha, i can definetly suggest going for thrustmaster instead of logitech, i had the g27 back in the days, then switched to t500rs and it still works after 6 years, i want to get to DD but $$$$
If you have Logitech bare in mind that what's worst is the pedals. If there's any upgrade you may want to make will always be the pedals. The feel and ffb going from logitech to a Thrustmaster T300 is big, but it will never be as big as going from normal potentiometer pedals to Loadcell pedals. Consider that if you have already a budget setup and want to upgrade
Just to clear up, thr T3PA pedals that tend to come with the T300 for me didn't feel that much better than logitech. But agreed that upgrading to load cell makes a bigger difference.
@@JankyDrift Yes I've used the T3PA and they're just like the logitechs, they use the same technology with the potentiometers. I understand I wasn't really clear at first. Thanks for the support
I’m on a budget so I picked up a g920 barely used for 150. Thrustmaster prob the next upgrade but that’s over double the price of a Logitech and god forbid a fanatec which is double of a thrustmaster. The hobby can def get expensive
I have been using a rental G29 with a Playseat Challenge for several weeks. Frankly speaking, the force feedback was so lost in the chair flex, wheel flex, gearing play, that in the end i found it completely useless as a tool that should communicate car&track information to me as a driver. It felt like the only things the "feedback" did was resist rotation and occasionally push my hands. All ridiculously grainy and happening with a micro delay. I'd say using a PS5 gamepad with tilt-to-steer controls in GT7 was more effective and convenient for me after adjusting, with the only downside that it is not fixed in one place and does not allow for 900 degree rotation. On the bright side, the gamepad has nice adaptive triggers which allowed to feel some sense of grip when braking and accelerating, compared to basic G29 pedals.
I have been told by many peers that sim racing COULDNT improve driving, I can't wait to get set up and improve myself. I felt like this would be the best option to learn how to drive manual transmission (fundamentals) without having a manual available to practice on.
As someone who built a pc last year and bought a racing wheel finally for 170 bucks new (g920) If your spending more then 200 on the wheel Dont buy logitech... This mans points are right on nail. Takeaways.. Save 50 bucks each time till you can afford a DD wheel . Dont look back. Have fun And remember the resale on the used market for DD is Good and demanding constantly reaching new highs and lows as budget sim racers snag the used DD
not mentioning the Logitech pro dd makes the title confusing and possibly clickbait. But your honesty in content, in your own story, is why i liked and left this comment. from no actual sim experience but from all the content available on youtube, you're the second to say it so straightly start with the t300 but it has been implied more than three. If you're an adult that wants to really try sim racing it seems the t300rs is a good bottom line- i saw one kit last month complete wheel and pedal for 313 pounds, so it's a hard bar but i'll say i hope it is really worth it. also anecdotally near the end I was curious what you paid for your thrustmaster and wheel. Did you choose that wheel, or where you looking for a certain size and lightness and got a wheel that matched that, and your price?
Yeah I thought about that logitech point when I was putting this video up, but it seemed like too much to jam into the title/thumbnail. Plus I've seen far too many people fall for logitech's price point on their gear driven wheels, so the intentions were good trying to prevent people from wasting money (at the cost of being a little clickbait-y). I can't remember what I paid for my T300 setup but I think it was around 250-300 (USD) for the wheel and pedals. The steering wheel actually came on my drift car and was only of the first things I removed because it felt dangerously cheap. On the sim side it worked great because the cheap quality meant it was nice and light as you said. Either way knew I wanted a 350mm wheel to match my real life setup, so it just happened to work out.
@@JankyDrift I watch usually at work, (so haven't deep dived your channel yet.) Thank you for complete and clear answer. I figured about the title, that makes sense anyone looking to spend less than $400 in total will never look at the logitech pedalsless pro for 1k. in this reply I see again the truth you're trying to relay, why not pay $100 (i don't know all prices but 33% more) to get the real driving experience. good luck with the channel! connecting real car with sim car. (just ramble conjecture below) I am not sure what you want to make and what people want to watch, it seems people like watching other people play games. (i personally don't understand this new trend of watching people play instead of playing...) broughy1322 he sort of car person who now just has people watch him race. (he has gta online to leech off of) but thank you and good luck. cool story about the wheel!
Well I just personally picked up the g923 For my Xbox Series X This is my first wheel set up that I'm ever having for a controller, so I'll Play with the g923 At once I am a little better down the road. I'll get a better wheel but for starting out. Logitech seems to be OK for first starters. I know some people don't like Logitech. But you know? It's a good sense to me when you first start out.
BRUH…..nicely done dude and thanks for the info…..I’m looking at set ups and was eyeing the Logitech g920-whatever but didn’t feel right, now I know why.
Idk if anyone will see this but I’ve tried both wheels (logitech & thrustmaster) in stores so that I could decide better than just referring to youtube. My take was, logitech (g920) packs with everything you need on the go. The wheel responds flawlessly although it’s gear driven with small torque motor and it rattles like hell. The break pedal has the biggest point. On the other hand with thrustmaster (t300rs), it felt underpowered and almost the opposite of logitech.i was told it was brought up to max torque setting, but it’s just not it. It’s nice on the hand with great feel of that belt driven system and that’s just it. But i like that with thrustmaster eco system, it’s very much expandable with mods and different wheels, but it’ll cost an extra money. So my conclusion was just go straight to Fanatec csl DD bundle set with f1 style steering wheel haha
Note that I’ve compete many sim competitive tournaments, so i know what kind of wheel is great. Been using rental sim in my local area, so now I own one
Watch my latest video on this for a deeper dive into wheelbases - Do I still think you should buy a T300? ua-cam.com/video/CAIdUVooylQ/v-deo.htmlsi=U-8Z8EF7ztvU8GBS
Do you have any ps5 wheels for sale? Lol, is that ferrari wheel any good?
Just a quick tip for those starting on a budget:
If you have some old joystick for flying sims lying around just use that as a handbrake. You ofc have to setup axis accordingly but its not difficult and you get lots of extra buttons as a bonus.
im getting a wheel in 2 weeks and plan to do this, but is there not a downside to being able to move the joystick from side to side?
@@Goliath83you could probably find a way to lock one of the axis’
Can you set up an old joystick like that to do the camera?
fam, I just read this and I am about to run to my room and get my 2001 joystick xD
Thx
@@xavierpayne7179 Im pretty sure you can. There is a app for AC called Joycam however Ive never tried it myself. But from what Ive seen gamepad might be better for this as it basically emulates controls of a drone.
I like how this video is straight to the point. No long boring introduction lol. Good job. I'm working on getting a wheel.
I bought myself a Logitech G29 and shifter as my first wheel and pedal set and I'm pleased as punch with it. In fact, I also built a Ricmotech RS-1 and bolted everything down. Bolted down wheel for stability, bolted on 6-speed shifter, inverted pedals also bolted on. Actual car seat from a junkyard. It's very nice. I've gotten plenty of compliments on it. Also replaced the brake pedal spring with a newer one like the G923 has. I've been playing PS3 and PC games with it. Gran Turismo 5/6, F1 2010, American Truck Simulator, Forza Horizon 4, and at some point, Assetto Corsa.
Thats great its working for you.ive ow ed two logitech wheels. The g27 and g920 both equally junk but in different ways. If you are driving close to pro levels it will destroy the logitech wheels.. They're a horrible investment considering the price of the moza r5 .
Yea like every thing in life, each of their own. I bought g20 for my son to play his racing games. Huge upgrade from entry PXN V9 😂. Now the more I watch videos, I’m ready to spend $500-$1000 😅. But I let my son play this G20 til he gets a summer job since all his friends use the same wheel. Send me a link of your set up? Debating to build one from a Skyline seat I prob could get for cheap
Thanks for share your experience, I have a question, is de g29 and the t300 / t300rs compatible with PS3 slim?
Get the truebrake pedal mod for it. 👌🏼
@@cristianadangonzalez628 I use my G29 on my PS3 Slim model just fine. The only problem with it is that on PS3 it emulates the Logitech Driving Force GT, not the G25/27, so you don't get the clutch pedal and you cannot use the 6-speed H-pattern shifter. That only works on PS4/PS5 and PC, unfortunately. But it's fine. I can paddle-shift my way through F1 2010 and Gran Turismo 5/6.
Always owned a Logitech wheel. On a G Pro now. No regrets at all.
Your standards need work
@Cheby Chvse I disagree LOL but I have yet to drive a DD 😮
a man of culture
@@X11CHASE your privilege needs work
Leaning towards logitech too just because of the fact that logitech has never let me down before either
This is such a common topic BUT probably the best sim racing startup video I've seen in a long time if not ever. Bloody brilliantly done :)
Same here mate. I tried the G25 years ago and it felt good but g29 after real car feels like cr&p
The way you explained the differences between thrustmaster and Logitech in terms of realism is amazing thank you
Zero regrets on g27 and then g923. It's a pretty good start.
Wow!! This is by far THE most straight to the point video i watched about simracing! Every topic about sim race gear is explained in just the right depth.
Very well done my man!❤💪👍
Number 1 thing I recommend to anyone who's getting into sim racing or have been in it for awhile. Transducers for chair, it adds engine, road, and tire feel in the chair, it's an absolute MUST have.
I totally agree with this, I have the logitech g29. And while it is obviously a great upgrade from a controller I am kind disappointed in it, it feels like an expensive kid's toy and I regret not spending a bit more for belt driven. I am happy that it comes with a clutch pedal though because many pedal sets don't, and the good ones with a clutch are quite expensive. I also got the logitech shifter and later on got a fanatec handbrake to make drifting a bit easier.
My friend couldn't find t300 that I have, and bought g29. It feels like toy compared to t300, difference is really big for the small difference in cost. G29 is okay, you still can drive on it and feel things, but it really lacks power and you can drive it with your fingers, it is that lite, while on the other hand my hands hurt on t300 after 30minutes of driving, and I only use 85% of force. But pedals wise, I found g29 ones to be more intuitive because they are similar feel to todays modern car pedals (which is not something you find in race car), and I had to learn to use t300 ones for quite some time, they are sturdy but have really almost no force back, so at least you can be happy with that
@@Tomica031It is actually difficult to find the T300, especially if you are not living in the USA. In contrast, the G29 is widely available. Furthermore, the G29 features a fantastic shifter(fo its money) that is compatible exclusively with this wheel and is three times cheaper than the shifter from Thrustmaster. I genuinely desire a T300, but purchasing it is not as straightforward.
@@slavaukraini8061 yep, like I said, g29 is good starter point and pedals are very good (better than t300 ones you get), if only they put full belt system like t300 and raised price up a bit it would be so perfect
I left a comment elsewhere but look up LUT generator and make one for your wheel. It will make a huge difference in improving the feeling.
If you aren’t familiarliar, it’s software that creates a customized force feedback curve for your wheel which you can then use in various racing sims so that the force feedback is much more accurate to what the game intended it to feel like. I cannot overstate how much of a difference it makes, especially the more subtle force feedback effects feel so much better after setting one up. That’s what I did with my Logitech and it’s so much better than what it is stock.
@@lllSavitarlll Thanks a lot, not expecting a world of difference but I'll definitely take a look.
I've been using a G920 attached to my computer desk for about three years. I play ACC and F1 2020 and it works well enough for me. It would be fun to have a sim rig but I can't justify the money and space it requires.
This guy need Cockpit crazy shit, they all sell Mario Kart crap
He needs mad clickbait scum....
You literally just described me 😂 but I've just bought a cockpit as I'm sick of my computer chair with wheels 😂
Couldn’t agree more with this video! The T300 is heads above the Logitech G29/G920. Had mine for a week before returning it and buying a T300 😁
its also heads above in price
@@exernal8969 Yes it is. But it’s worth either getting the T300 used or save up more money before buying a wheel
I got TSPC racer love it
@@exernal8969 if you can get it on sale, at least in canada its around the same price
I bought a logitech g923 just to try it out from Best Buy. I’m going to return it and get the thrust master. T300rs thank you
I have been using a Thrustmaster TMX Wheel for the last 3 Years now on PC and Xbox and I can say its great fun for casuals. It's a bit cheaper feeling but the compatibility with other Thrustmaster products works well. I now have the Shifter and better pedals and it's great. The wheel is around 200 now.
Love the wheel stand + playseat combination. Never thought about combining them and turn them into the ultimate “compact sim rig”. Thanks for the tip man!
started with a 923 and shifter, it was a great decision. The price point also didnt scare my friends away from jumping in the game with me, i currently have a logitech g pro direct drive, you cant find a negative review about it online, logitech still hasnt let me down, however if money isnt a issue of course theres other options, but even with logitech only having 1 wheel ATM you know more are coming
People always forget this one. The upgrades they did from the G29 and G920 are great. Small amount of haptics on the wheel itself makes the audio of the vehicles rumble your experience even better. Also the pedal upgrade, so much more realistic until you get a pedal set with loadcells. Best starter pedals IMO. I used the G923 for a solid year with no complaints BUT the noise when racing offroad.
While i mostly agree, if you want a setup with a shifter the thrustmaster is lot more expensive compared to Logitech.
A friend of mine tried both and went with the g29 because he didnt feel much diference.
your friend might be deficient
Yep! I've encountered this problem multiple times over the last week browsing racing wheels. I found a new Logitech wheel set with a shifter included for just over $200. Beginners may not want to deal with the complexity of clutches and manual gearboxes but if you wanted to check it out without spending $150 on the shifter alone then Logitech is the best way to go.
I decided to get t300rs but when i went to get one, it was more than double the price of g29. Hence I chose g29. My friend got a t128. We both are noobs and just play for fun together with our friends. Imo, honestly both the wheels are awesome. Just get any force feedback wheel that falls in your budget. For serious sim racing dd is the best i guess.
your talking speed and directness makes my heart happy
I started on a g27 back when it released in 2010 playing rFactor drifting online (sorta) with mates via a vpn and some trickery to appear as a local network... anyway I used that bolted to my table right up until about 2016 when I figured I should invest something into my hobby. I got a GT Omega frame which set off a wild change of events for even better immersion. I then got a full Fanatec setup and vr which led into a full Trak Racer extrusion rig.
It's an expensive hobby. XD Great video.
I second everything you said in the video lol. I'm currently running a logitech g920 +shifter +keyboard ebrake that I've modded into feeling more """realistic""", such as increased brake and clutch resistors, resistor bands in the shifter and, after snapping the gear on my first g920, upgradging to a more sturdy gearset.
What I can tell people wanting to start off is to NOT BUY LOGITECH. It is almost a guarantee that you will run into issues with your setup and teach yourself bad habits along the way to compensate. To compound those issues, unless you're really tech savvy or know what a drift car is actually supposed to feel like then you likely won't even know that you're teaching yourself bad habits along the way.
On top of that, logitech software is notorious for bugging out and im currently experiencing centering issues with my logitech even after a complete PC/hardware wipe and LUT mapping my wheel.
All in all, seat time is king, even on a sim, but sub-par seat time isn't doing you any favors.
Lol I'm impressed with the level of effort you went through to make the logitech decent. Let your story be a cautionary tale.
@@JankyDrift you can polish a turd, but at the end of the day it's still a turd lol.
I agree with this so much. I started on a t150 thrustmaster setup on os4 playing gt6 and ACC. It was fun. Got me into the hobyy. But about two month later i ran across a deal on a used t300. It was game one from then on. Im now in a full direct drive fanatec rig on pc
Lmao I just bought a g29. I completely agree that you have to do a lot yourself but it is cool drifting around. I'm also not old enough to drive so I wouldn't know what its like. Great video though!
Eh, at the end of the day any wheel is better than no wheel. Appreciate it!
Logitech us best for beginners with low budget. I have my G29 almost since release, no issues at all, still works great. I'm saving money now for G Pro or Moza setup.
Cant explain how thankful I am for this series. Liked, subbed, and shared with some pals looking to do the same thing as me. Thank you!
Straight to the point. Thank you for taking the time to put this together.
Going from the T300 RS to the fanatec DDpro 8nm with load cells= massive difference. And now Gt7 in vr 👌. Excellent. I don't play ACC anymore. I think the DD pro even on console is a lot better compared to using the T300 RS on pc. Just my thoughts. I could be wrong. Dirt 2.0 and wrc generations. Amazing. F1 2022...very good with the DD pro and mclaren open wheel. It's still som cade, I know. Gt7 compared to ACC had a lot more to offer. Sim cade or not. And gt7 now on psvr2. Was my best racing experience ever. The interiors in vr are insane. Not one game has that.
No one cares if sim cade or not, the fun you having is what matters. Enjoy it the way u wanna
@@AliceinWonderlands indeed. This sim cade vs real sim debate is so funny.
Well you just saved me money. I also have a t300 that I upgraded from a g920. And the difference was huge. Good to know DDs arent as big of a difference.
It’s more expensive but I’m of the camp of buying stuff that you won’t replace in the future.
Investing in a strong rig right from the go is the way to go. So in the future when you upgrade to a direct drive you know your rig will be able to handle it.
I also recommend going straight to a load cell brake pedal. Sure spring loaded potentiometer pedals will get you started but you’re going to be giving lap time up.
I don't disagree if you've got the cash to burn and know you're going to stick with it. But at the same time FB marketplace is generally littered with setups that people thought they were going to stick with and didn't. I still say if this is your first foray there's nothing wrong with a beginner setup to test the waters.
You'd also be amazed at how many people I get arguing for bottom of the line logitech gear being good enough.
That depends on your situation. If you're not sure you're going to really get into the hobby you don't want to shell out a bunch of cash on something you may seldom use as using lower-end things can be great for getting your foot through the door as someone who doesn't have a lot of expendable cash.
Being cheaper also means you can get something faster if it requires time to save. As a result, it can be worth it in terms of getting your hand on something that much sooner as and you can still save for the higher-end thing or you might even just get comfortable with what you already purchased (resulting in you not needing to upgrade) as bear in mind these things have severe diminishing returns in some cases.
It's a similar logic to hire purchase where you pay more in the long run but you get your hand on the thing you want that much faster, you just have to consider your situation and find out what works best as there is no one-size fits all solution; bear in mind the cost and time differs by region in some cases. Not only does your job determine your income but also what country you do it in
Well done video. Quick and clear with great info. Nice change from the many UA-camr noisy theatrics.
I have G27 for almost 10 years. Back then this was premium. :)
I have the g29 and I think that the g27 was the real chad
@@ignaziomessina69 I have both G27 and G29 and I am sure G27 is much better.
Great pacing, all relevant information and no time wasted. Excellent video!
actually looking into this hobby recently. always amazes me in every facet of a hobby how deep shit goes and how deep you allow yourself to get into them. this by far is a really cool hobby and cant wait to join this "friendly" community from what ive seen??? looking for a budget T300 lol are there no other options like lower ver. of a thrustmaster > Logitech? thanks for the content you produce!
Like any community sim racing/drifting has some elitist type folks in terms of gear, games, etc., but overall yeah it's a really good community. Not a ton of options below the T300 or logitech G29 unfortunately. Used is the way to go if you have the option.
If you haven't bought anything yet, Moza is coming out with an R3 bundle very soon that's PC and Xbox DD for $399. I'm in the same boat, my wheel stand arrives today and I'm waiting on the above wheel to be released.
@@omniscient420I’m trying to get a DD wheel but am a bit conflicted on what I should get… moza or fanatec? My budget is up to 1k… I was first looking at the t300 Ferrari alcantara but I’m not sure
@@tuff77777it depends on what platforms you're going to use it on. I'm going with Moza for Xbox/PC. Fanatec has a larger ecosystem with lots to choose from. Moza is still new so who knows how they will grow. I'm fairly casual right now.
I’ve rocked a g920 for 3 years and have no complaints
Got this one now and I do like it great start but looking at a direct drive soon.. Anything to start is better than nothing for sure.. pc is the way to go..
Love the channel man, I’ve been sim racing/drifting for a few years and have really been looking into buying another 350z to drift, and you showing your experiences/progress makes it a lot less intimidating. Also what do you do for practicing tandems? not to be mean but alot of people in some of the popular servers are still learning lol. Just wondering if maybe there’s more serious servers, or maybe discord groups. Figured I’d ask. Love the content!
Awesome to hear, honestly my main goal for the channel is to make it less intimidating and get other folks to make the jump.
I'm sure there are some more serious servers out there but I just join whatever and drift around a bit until you spot the few folks on the server who look decent, then start snugging up. This is very much how real life tandems have been in my experience as well, spotting for the people closest to your skill/car level who look consistent enough to avoid wrecking your car. Then approach and ask if they'd be up for tandems.
Then inevitably some body smacks into you from behind and wrecks the whole train lol.
When I first got into sim racing about 7 years ago and moved from controller to a non-FFB thrustmaster 458 italia wheel and pedal set which had bungee strap of the force to center the wheel. After a year or so on that, I upgraded to the T300RS pack with the t3pa pedals. Anyone looking into reviews comparing the Logitech and T300 options will undoubtedly come across reviews saying the T300 overheats etc. and that logitech is better - WRONG! I live in a region where summer temps reach over 40c and the T300 as my daily driver has never failed me once, not even a hint of FFB fade. The unit is solid, the stock wheel in-hand feels good. Logitech spend the FFB motor bugdet on the leather wheel wrap and left the buyer to experience ancient gear FFB. In a nutshell, I have been using Thrustmaster wheels and pedals for almost 10 years and not a single mechanical failure with daily use. Of course dont set your FFB to 100% in the software but rather in the game being played and you will have a long time friend steering you in the right direction day in and day out.
Hahah, you bought cheap Mario Kart wheels, Logitech has good wheels too
Why buy crap ?
as a Logitech G27 owner, I can confirm Logitech wheels arent the best for drifting, the FFB is slow, clunky and loud, which I dont mind, but I plan on upgrading to a T300 RS GT or maybe even a DD wheel when I get the money for it. Very good video
Finally a good video that’s not just someone trying to constantly upsale
Lots of sim drifter videos are with logitech wheel g27 g29 g920 g923 just need to do a lut. But the t300 is an upgrade if you can afford it. In my country the t300 with no shifter is worth more than double what the g29 is selling for
Any wheel is better than no wheel, but the T300 is significantly better than the logitech. Even with LUT they rotate too slow to simulate real life due to the gear drive. Can you drive around that? Sure. Is it realistic? No. That said... nothing wrong with working within the bounds of what you can afford and what's available to you.
I used to race modded clunkers at an old dirt track when I was a kid, then I got married, had kids and life kind of got in the way of my favorite past time. Kids are teenagers, I'm out of the army, so I'm ready to get back into this without the risk of dying in a car fire. Thank you so much.
Definitely feel you on getting less daring as i get older. Check out the game wreck fest if you haven't already, don't think the physics are as realistic but might be up your alley.
Maybe t300 has a better overall feel but my t300 broke in a month. RMA'd it but I wanted to test g29 too so I chose that instead. I stuck with g29 I didn't feel much downgrade and logi after years like when I bought it.
Bro after 7months is your g29 still good?
@@djxjdjdhdjd4020 same as new but I didn’t use everyday 😊
Finally someone speaking the truth about Logitech. I had one for 3 hours. Told myself if this is what sim racing was then I wasn't interested.
Got a t300 and lo and behold it felt like driving a car and not a box of gears.
Due to low budget i got myself a thurstmaster t248, which is both, gear and belt driven. With small diameter wheel it feels toyish but it's quite hard to change it. As entry level i think it's acceptable because it has simmilar price to Logitech but has got the belt
After I discovered Tokyo no Hesi servers and the drift physics on AC, I really want to build a PC with VR. AC on PC is a car guys dream game. Street racing midnight club style and drifting the togue in VR looks so fun and amazing. And the audio is sooo good. A lot of love goes into those AC mods.
Big downside of Logitech for me is that their software/drivers seem to be glitchy and bug ridden. The anti-overheat circuitry kept activating even when the wheel was cold meaning that i regularly lost my ffb gain in the middle of races. Also, the wheel rotation kept resetting to 900 degrees which isn't much use when you're trying to find an F1 car and need something around 360 degrees. Since upgrading to a Fanatec CSL Elite a few years ago I've had no issues other than a couple of minor driver issues that were easily rectified by reinstalling an earlier version.
Thanks mate. Literally trying to decide what set up to invest in for a start. Lots of great info in this vid and well presented with a cool sense of humour. Nice
Hands down the best, no nonsense, video for people looking to get into sim drifting. Good stuff.
Upgraded my PC from a 3080 to a 4090, as well as every other part recently. This made me want to try sim racing as modern racing games look incredible at maxed out graphics, and I went for a Fanatec CSL DD + F1 wheel + CSL Elite V2 Pedals, for cockpit a Playseat trophy (no space for a playseat F1 ultimate) and a G9 Neo 49", and sometimes using my Quest 3 for VR. Well worth the money, I highly recommend spending more if possible. Between playing on my setup and my friends, who uses a g29 clamped to his desk, its light and day. He comes over a lot more often now to "hang out" meanwhile he just sits and races all day. Anyways good vid.
I own a g 29 and a trustmaster t300 and i'can say the logitech feels much more like a toy. But for beginners the g29 is just the perfect steering wheel to start sim racing
Used a Logitech g920 wheel for a long time now. Tried learning to drift and couldn’t do it. Spent weeks at a time learning, then going away and coming back again with same result. Then I got a direct drive wheel yesterday and within half hour of trying to drift once I got use to the wheel, I was doing donuts more consistently, gaining back control at corners more consistently and actually drifting without spinning out. Sure I still spin out. But it feels like I actually started to get it. And looking forward to using it more on days off to learn. Also my lap time has improved slightly on the brands hatch course. But I think that’s because the feedback is faster to feel, and more responsive.
I've used both a thrustmaster and a logitech. There are pros and cons to both. I will say it's easier to get a clutch and shifter with logitech which has ultimately won me out
Yeah, the H-shifter price with Thrustmaster is what turned me over to the Logitech. I know I'm gonna upgrade eventually, so I just want to get my foot in the door.
MIDPOND!!!! Awesome to see that the track is on assetto corsa. I’m about to build my first sim setup and your video has helped me leaps and bounds. Maybe I’ll catch you out at Midpond one day!
THANK YOU! Exactly the video I was looking for. All others were for people with not as much pc and car experience. You answered all my questions thanks again.
Great video! Appreciate the advice. I went with the full budget build route to save money for my real e36 lol. Hoping it translates to the real thing well enough. A little concerned that I’ll have to upgrade if it starts to reinforce bad habits tho.
Yeah I get that lol. Been looking at upgrading my pedals but at the same time trying to get some seats for the Z. Assuming you're talking logitech, def play around with whatever LUT updates people recommend. Not to say you can't transition from logi, but I can definitely see it being easier from Thrustmaster.
hey man, considering g923 for xbox. im just gonna play every so often and don't need a crazy setup what's your opinion
Definitely a good option. Maybe a g920. It’s also for Xbox and I use it on pc and it’s fantastic for a pro setup if you’re not picky about force feedback
Would love to see an update on this video taking into account the GT7 physics patches (more realistic !), the Logitech G Pro wheel (direct drive!) and PS VR2. Thanks for your video !
Would love to but I'm just a regular dude with a full time job lol so finding the time and money to dig into all these different setups is a little difficult at the moment. Maybe once the channel takes off (fingers crossed).
@@JankyDrift fair enough. Cheers 🍻
@@JankyDrift Buy it, review it, return it for refund 😂Amazon is very customer friendly about returns.
I had a g29, now a logitech pro, and I love it super easy to set up and has a good feel to it. I also had a fanatic dd2 before the logitech Pro, and I hated it. I'm not in the 90s anymore to spend hours or days to set up drivers and firmware.
in my country I got G29 with half the price of T300, G29 also come with much greater warranty of 24 months compare to T300... But it could be because there's no official distributor of Thrusmaster here
I got the g29 some time ago it was kinda weird the force feedback but after some things i did it feels good but the main problem is the rotation of the wheel it rotates slowly but overall it's fine
Because I mainly drift and stuff so the rotation is pretty important if I want to do corner right after each other but it works fine ig
@@Andieu9753 drifting is horrible on the g29, exactly why i sold mine
I got brand new g923 for 170$ and it was the best purchase i've ever made. I got myself logitech shifter and 3d printed hall-sensor handbrake. I fit within 230$ for everything and it works well, but I might upgrade in the future
I jumped from Logitech to simagic, and as soon as I hit the power, my breaker blew🙃
Which simagic?
Best video 4 me as someone who know not mutch about simracing and want to start . thanks a lot ;)
Playseat with a Logitech G29 is perfect for me, someone who is casual and maybe races 6-8 hours a week. If you’re really into sim racing, get a DD wheel. But for someone who doesn’t have the time to dedicate to racing all week - I think my < $500 setup is perfect and money well spent. I just couldn’t commit to spending more than $500 for a setup I will use 2-3 times a week max. I feel pretty competitive with my G29 - not top tier but fast enough to compete and have fun.
I have gotten multiple friends into sim racing with the logitech, its a great starter wheel for someone unsure if they actually want to sim race.
I already own a PC and Oculus quest, so i just found a 2nd hand £100 Logitech G920 with gears, and i got the perfect setup for me starting out
I got a logitech wheel and I avoid using it because of the gear system, looking for an upgrade but nothing crazy expensive. I think you're spot on about the T300RS and will be picking one up shortly!
Check out the cammus c5. Cheapest direct drive on tbe market, youd be insane to pick anything else over that
I will upgrade my PC this year and I will focus on building my first SIM RACING RIG next year. It is always my dream to have a SIM RACING RIG at home since I was a kid.
Bought a t80 as my first wheel. Had fun, but I wanted something a little more. I had heard force feedback was the way to go but was a little out of my budget. I bought a cheap thrustmaster tx for $240, and man, it's a blast. The belt makes a little noise, and you can tell it was someone's rig for years, but it still works perfectly. I figured if anything, I bought an overpriced thrustmaster wheel, and I can get a brand new wheelbase eventually. I also learned the importance of a clutch peddle fast.
Great advice! I followed exactly none of it. I decided to go with the G920 on Xbox in front of my TV using a home built stand I made out of scrap 2x4's and plywood... cost next to nothing and it's super fun :)
2:30 most definitely why i havent jumped into VR yet. lol
When I went from a G27 -> TS-PC immediately the thing I noticed wasn't so much the extra force but the way in which I could now recover from a somewhat sharp snap. On the G27 a sudden snap would lead to a seesaw motion eventually leading to a spin, this being due to the wheel not keeping up with the wheels on the car in game. Overall I'd say a better stronger wheel leads to much better consistency and a far better idea of what the car is doing
TS-PC is the wheelbase from thrustmaster right?
you have the same music with the guys over at missedapex podcast! took me a while to figure out. both you guys occupy the racing scene so I guess also have similar taste in music? Moved from a g29 to a tspc. but the shift from potentiometer to Thrustmaster's TS-PC definitely was the bigger upgrade. Good stuff!
Lol its one of the few free metal songs you can get from the UA-cam library without them hitting you with copyright claims. Similar taste in music, probably, but just as much having limited choices. 😭
Finally. Advice from someone seemingly genuine. Thanks mate
This is the most helpful video I've seen, what is the name of your cockpit... it is PERFECT for what I need.
😂 for a oem g series i agree. But if your on a budget, you can easily mod a g series wheel to be better than almost anything out there. I perfer my 2 of my g29s, over my t300, my csl elite, only 2 wheel bases that are better is simucube and monza. Granted monza is just pretty decent for the price range. The g29 can easily be converted to a belt drive system, or a direct drive system if you know what your doing. But you really dont need all that unluss sound is a major issue for you. The "slop" in the gear system is easily fixed by swapping out the rack n pinon setup. Want more tq, just increase the tooth count on the gears in the 2 motors, which can also be upgraded. On my gear driven g29 im pushing 18.4nm tq. So needless to say i really need to turn ffb down in alot of games. Theres zero slop in the wheel, and with a pull of a pin i go from 900° to 1080° for trucking games. Besides the cost of the base itself, im only $138 into mods on the gear driven one. Were as belt driven mod can be had for $76 or dd conversion at $215. But in all honesty the gear driven setup feels alot better to me, so its my go to wheel. My t300, csl elite, simucube aplha, and monza are all just crammed in the closet for now.
I was anticipating the release of the G29. After almost 10 years with no problem, I'm about to hand it over to my grandson and upgrade. It's important to remember that Logitech is a computer peripheral company that's been around for decades. Not to mention, one of the first companies to make high-quality aftermarket peripherals for PlayStation (PS1.) The rest of these companies only make one thing. They go about business entirely different. If you're just getting into it and need to keep price down, Logitech should be at the top of your list. Especially for reliability and ease of use.
The Logitech and play seat upgrades are on the way, and I'm looking forward to not spending a dime on it for another 10 years. Don't take sim advice from a guy with a folding rig
I just got my g29 and I’m in love with it never have a problem other than I don’t have a good place to mount it so I Jerry rigged it and still one of the best wheels I’ve owned
I have been looking for a video like this for such a long time now! this is exactly the kind of information i needed thx!
YES ive built my rig around one of those ikea chairs! Actually works REALLY well as a driving position as it's fairly reclined. Home built is the way to go if you have the means
Thrustmaster make some solid wheelbases, I used their TS-PC for years without issue, loads better than the Logitech gear driven wheelbases. Direct drive is great but you're right the difference between a good belt drive wheelbase and a direct drive isn't as big of a difference as gear driven to belt drive. I think the TS-PC is around 4 or 5Nm and I never found it lacking, some vehicles in some sims you'll probably want to use less than full power ffb.
Totally true. I started with the G25, switched to the G27 and then made it to Thrustmaster. (T150, then T300) The FFB is much better than Logitech's. The T300 is probably the best way to start simracing, if you are on a budget. I changed the fan to a noctua fan, since the stock one is too loud. If possible, I would go with a Direct Drive Wheel. It was a game changer for me when I switched to the Moza R16 and their GS wheel. I also own the CS Wheel and bought an aftermarket wheel to have it even bigger.
If you get your hands on a cheap Logitech and you are starting simracing, it is totally fine, but probably want a little more after maybe a year.
A bit late but I can't stress enough how good of an advice this is! I bought G29 as my first wheel and it lfet me very disappointed. I sold it very quickly and got T300 instead and I couldn't have been happier. For the difference in price it is well worth it. I hated the grindy feeling of the G29 wheel, the loudness it made and hard ability to drift at all.
So you couldn’t drift, and decided to blame the wheel instead of your own lack of ability? Makes sense😂😂😂
@@Manning0151 yeah, kinda, don't have an rwd, so I had to learn drifting on wheel, and on G29 it was hard and unrealistic. went to T300 and now I have at least some capability. anything else you want to mock me on?
I ordered my t300 after 600 hours on a g27, I kinda agree, but for beginners a Logitech Is more than enough
The someone standing behind you VR thing had me dying. Anytime I hear a noise I get a little paranoid when I'm racing in VR. I had a stink bug hit me the other day and ripped off my headset so fast.
Just looking to build a home made rig. I have a logitech driving force gt that I got for half price 2 years ago😂. I'm planning to upgrade since software is getting outdated. But first I want to build the rig. I have an existing tv allready not the best but it is full hd and hella huge. It will be good to start but defenetly willing to upgrade.
Bought a 920 cause i just wanted a wheel, got sick of the controller. Love it a lot and it's far better than the controller, i feel more in control.
A year ago i got the chance of getting a Thrustmaster TGT with a playseat alcantara for 650 euros, then i bought the SSH shifter new with the side plate for the playseat then a Rift s headset second hand and then i ordered a 16 bit hall sensor handbrake new, overall i'm so happy with my setup, racing GT cars is allot of fun and drifting is even more fun, only part is i'm more towards drifting and my friends are more towards GT racing, overall budget was 1100 and my pockets are still burning, great video whould recommend it to everyone who's thinking on buying a wheel.
BTW maby a bit random but if anyone is down to drift at any point pls let me know, i'm down for anycars even vdc
Went from the g29 to the fanatec csl dd and by god the difference is insane it's like going from a power wheels toy to an actual car
first! haha, i can definetly suggest going for thrustmaster instead of logitech, i had the g27 back in the days, then switched to t500rs and it still works after 6 years, i want to get to DD but $$$$
Yeah if my bank account had an extra zero or two I'd go DD for sure, but my T300 gets the job done.
Just upgraded to a t500 rs it’s great
Omg just keep getting better and better!!!! I love it
If you have Logitech bare in mind that what's worst is the pedals. If there's any upgrade you may want to make will always be the pedals. The feel and ffb going from logitech to a Thrustmaster T300 is big, but it will never be as big as going from normal potentiometer pedals to Loadcell pedals. Consider that if you have already a budget setup and want to upgrade
Just to clear up, thr T3PA pedals that tend to come with the T300 for me didn't feel that much better than logitech. But agreed that upgrading to load cell makes a bigger difference.
@@JankyDrift Yes I've used the T3PA and they're just like the logitechs, they use the same technology with the potentiometers. I understand I wasn't really clear at first. Thanks for the support
I’m on a budget so I picked up a g920 barely used for 150. Thrustmaster prob the next upgrade but that’s over double the price of a Logitech and god forbid a fanatec which is double of a thrustmaster. The hobby can def get expensive
Nice video.
I few years back I got the T-150. I don’t recommend it, some times the wheel doesn’t give any feedback of what the car is doing
I have been using a rental G29 with a Playseat Challenge for several weeks. Frankly speaking, the force feedback was so lost in the chair flex, wheel flex, gearing play, that in the end i found it completely useless as a tool that should communicate car&track information to me as a driver. It felt like the only things the "feedback" did was resist rotation and occasionally push my hands. All ridiculously grainy and happening with a micro delay. I'd say using a PS5 gamepad with tilt-to-steer controls in GT7 was more effective and convenient for me after adjusting, with the only downside that it is not fixed in one place and does not allow for 900 degree rotation. On the bright side, the gamepad has nice adaptive triggers which allowed to feel some sense of grip when braking and accelerating, compared to basic G29 pedals.
I have been told by many peers that sim racing COULDNT improve driving, I can't wait to get set up and improve myself. I felt like this would be the best option to learn how to drive manual transmission (fundamentals) without having a manual available to practice on.
As someone who built a pc last year and bought a racing wheel finally for 170 bucks new (g920) If your spending more then 200 on the wheel Dont buy logitech... This mans points are right on nail. Takeaways.. Save 50 bucks each time till you can afford a DD wheel . Dont look back. Have fun And remember the resale on the used market for DD is Good and demanding constantly reaching new highs and lows as budget sim racers snag the used DD
I wish there was a physical shop where you could try out different gear first before spending hundreds or even thousands of dollars.
not mentioning the Logitech pro dd makes the title confusing and possibly clickbait. But your honesty in content, in your own story, is why i liked and left this comment. from no actual sim experience but from all the content available on youtube, you're the second to say it so straightly start with the t300 but it has been implied more than three. If you're an adult that wants to really try sim racing it seems the t300rs is a good bottom line- i saw one kit last month complete wheel and pedal for 313 pounds, so it's a hard bar but i'll say i hope it is really worth it. also anecdotally near the end I was curious what you paid for your thrustmaster and wheel. Did you choose that wheel, or where you looking for a certain size and lightness and got a wheel that matched that, and your price?
Yeah I thought about that logitech point when I was putting this video up, but it seemed like too much to jam into the title/thumbnail. Plus I've seen far too many people fall for logitech's price point on their gear driven wheels, so the intentions were good trying to prevent people from wasting money (at the cost of being a little clickbait-y).
I can't remember what I paid for my T300 setup but I think it was around 250-300 (USD) for the wheel and pedals. The steering wheel actually came on my drift car and was only of the first things I removed because it felt dangerously cheap. On the sim side it worked great because the cheap quality meant it was nice and light as you said. Either way knew I wanted a 350mm wheel to match my real life setup, so it just happened to work out.
@@JankyDrift I watch usually at work, (so haven't deep dived your channel yet.) Thank you for complete and clear answer. I figured about the title, that makes sense anyone looking to spend less than $400 in total will never look at the logitech pedalsless pro for 1k. in this reply I see again the truth you're trying to relay, why not pay $100 (i don't know all prices but 33% more) to get the real driving experience. good luck with the channel! connecting real car with sim car.
(just ramble conjecture below)
I am not sure what you want to make and what people want to watch, it seems people like watching other people play games. (i personally don't understand this new trend of watching people play instead of playing...) broughy1322 he sort of car person who now just has people watch him race. (he has gta online to leech off of) but thank you and good luck. cool story about the wheel!
Well I just personally picked up the g923 For my Xbox Series X This is my first wheel set up that I'm ever having for a controller, so I'll Play with the g923 At once I am a little better down the road. I'll get a better wheel but for starting out. Logitech seems to be OK for first starters. I know some people don't like Logitech. But you know? It's a good sense to me when you first start out.
BRUH…..nicely done dude and thanks for the info…..I’m looking at set ups and was eyeing the Logitech g920-whatever but didn’t feel right, now I know why.
Idk if anyone will see this but I’ve tried both wheels (logitech & thrustmaster) in stores so that I could decide better than just referring to youtube. My take was, logitech (g920) packs with everything you need on the go. The wheel responds flawlessly although it’s gear driven with small torque motor and it rattles like hell. The break pedal has the biggest point. On the other hand with thrustmaster (t300rs), it felt underpowered and almost the opposite of logitech.i was told it was brought up to max torque setting, but it’s just not it. It’s nice on the hand with great feel of that belt driven system and that’s just it. But i like that with thrustmaster eco system, it’s very much expandable with mods and different wheels, but it’ll cost an extra money. So my conclusion was just go straight to Fanatec csl DD bundle set with f1 style steering wheel haha
Note that I’ve compete many sim competitive tournaments, so i know what kind of wheel is great. Been using rental sim in my local area, so now I own one