2024 Sim Wheelbase Guide - Whether You're Racing or Drifting, This One is For You
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- Опубліковано 8 лип 2024
- Are you thinking about building your first sim racing or sim drifting rig? Or are you thinking about upgrading an existing one? Well, there are a ton of options on the market from lower priced setups like the Logitech G29, to higher priced setups like the Simagic Alpha Mini. Having owned both, plus the Thrustmaster T300, I decided to give a detailed breakdown on the considerations when buying a wheelbase to hopefully help make your decision easier.
Where my last video focused more higher level on your complete sim racing setup, this one digs deeper into wheelbases which is probably the biggest decision you'll have to make. Do you buy lower end to save money, or is it worth spending money on something high end? Whether your drifting, racing, or both, this video should should help get you pointed in the right direction. To note, I also talk about the Fanatec CSL DD, Moza R5, and Moza R9.
Topics in this video:
0:00 Intro
0:38 Breakdown on the difference between Gear, Belt, and Direct Drive
1:09 Price - Including Fanatec CSL DD, Moza R3, Thrustmaster T300, and more
2:27 Build Quality - Differences in quality between gear, belt, and Direct Drive wheelbases
3:42 Driving Experience - Why you should stop buying the Logitech G29
4:47 Driving Experience - Is Direct Drive that much better than gear or belt?
6:02 Conclusion - Is the Thrustmaster T300 still worth it, and should you buy direct drive?
7:39 Conclusion - Flow chart to help you decide which sim racing wheel to buy
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I just upgraded from a G923 to a G Pro DD wheel. I’m going to be eating ramen for the month but it’s totally worth it
upgraded from a g27 to a moza r5 and i love it, drifting is fantastic. feels so real.
Moza is garbage it only works with like 4 games.....lol
@@jaredoldhouser3301 It works on every sim game on the pc. And I know because I have Moza.
@@markdomenie5453bro I heard it's not compatible with all games? And that's the only reason I don't wanna buy the moza.. What games do you play?
@@trabzonludeli It worked for me in many sims and games, ACC, Raceroom, Automobilista 2 , F1 23. Im not really into iRacing but Im sure it works there also
@@markdomenie5453 Ok thank you for the fast reply
Another great vid 👏
Hey that's me at 4:06 sliding with 120hp, trying to keep up! That clip is a perfect example of what you were talking about. Love your content homie 🫶🤙
Solid video 👍🏻
I agree that if you want to do simracing I would consider G29 only if it’s a clear budget choice. It’s a decent choice not a great choice when it comes to simracing/drifting.
But if you play lot of ETS2/ATS/other trucking games…..Then G29 is a really solid option, it haves all you need for that and one thing most wheelbases lack and that is lot of buttons. G29 is also very commonly modded and as thus it haves plenty of modifications kits on sale. I have seen bunch of trucking rigs having a G29 as wheelbase my current rig included.
But if one would want to have Scania or other real truck steering wheel on the rig I would recommend going for a DD wheelbase as heavier steering wheels can mess up gear wheels or belt driven ones.
Same goes for sim/drifting rigs too so mind that if you want to replace steering wheels with IRL stuff.
in my case I really wanted to buy a Thrustmaster T300 RS GT but for some reason in my country it was like 400euros and in the other hand you could buy for 524 euros (including 24%taxes and 50+euro shipping costs) Fanatec CSL DD 5nm, CSL Pedals, CSL Pedals Clutch Kit, CSL Steering Wheel P1 V2, CSL DD Table Clamp.
I've gone for the Cammus C12, just waiting for it to arrive. Also, AMS2 is my go-to Sim.
I just bought a thrustmaster TX for 110$. I think it's worth it 😂 can't find a direct drive anywhere close to that price 😅
Hi I’m new player at assetto corsa to learn drift with G27 my frd help me change other racing steering wheel for me on it but my steering wheel is not full circle ⭕️ wheel is half bottom part is flat and with leather I want to ask did I need to buy new steering wheel with full circle ⭕️ and I can’t control the drift car 🚗 whatever I accelerate the car run left or right or I use handbrake and press clutch at 2 gear with full a accelerate and handbrake even try set arb many other ways tires pressures nothing can change pls any opinions or suggestions, thank you 🙏🏽
What if you're using the Logitech Driving Force GT that came with the special edition of Gran Turismo 5 back in the day?
I wish i went alpha mini from clubsport v2.5. I went csl dd and the only difference was the smoother feeling.
ive been running a t300 for a long time now and one of the most frustrating things is having purposely dampen your transitions so that the wheel will keep up. that being said it helped me to learn how to drift much better than the t150 i started on. if i was going to upgrade i honestly have no idea what DD wheel to buy
wdym dampen the transitions? i need advice since im on a budget wheel lol
@@mk3justis basically use your brakes too slow down the rotation on transitions
What adjustment stops the stuttering/clipping? Having same issue with my csl dd.
A lot of the time it's caused by your force feedback being set too high. Basically the signal from the game spikes outside of a range your wheelbase can handle which causes the temporary stutter.
I have my ffb in game set to 60% and my wheel set to 100% and that's been a decent setup for me so far. But I still have to adjust depending on the car sometimes.
I just upgraded from t150 to t300 and it feels really good imo. I was planning to get a full fanatec setup, but the t300 was on sale for 250€ so i gave it a try and decided to keep it untill dd wheels get more affordable
I ran t300 for years, nothing wrong with that.
@@JankyDrift i also grabed muself a vr headset for the money i saved by not going dd
@@minsk9381smart man
@@minsk9381 thats better then getting a single dd
A HORRIFIC PIECE OF DOG CRAP THAT FAILS AFTER WARRANTY!!
Is a t300 base with the Ferrari 488 gt3 wheel and the sparrow p310 wheel and Thrustmaster tlcm a good deal for $500? Two wheels, a base and pedals for $500? A brand new t300 with cheap pedals and a wheel costs $450
Make me confuse what I need yo but T-GT II or CSL DD Pro for Forza Horizon 5 and Gran Turismo 7? I not use wheel for drifting but driving like normal and does TH8A support CSL DD Pro?
With fanatic do you have to buy another pedal for the clutch pedal. And does it attach to what it comes with
Yes with most of their kits you have to buy an extra pedal, which should bolt up pretty easily to the base pedal set.
Couldn't agree more with what's been said about the G29, while it may be decent for normal racing i refunded mine after a week because i found it to be way too sluggish and came back to keyboard with mouse steering. Now i'm looking at picking up a t300rs somewhen next year.
The only thing about t300rs is that they are prone to overheating. Mine starts to overheat within 2-3 hours of drifting and it's incredibly irritating. I might just drop sim racing altogether until I can afford to get a DD wheelbase.
or just mod it with a 6$ noctua cooler lol@@lobosnumberfive2210
Buy a Fanatec CSL DD bundle, its 400 dollars and way better than t300rs.
Hey! I plan on buying the mclaren csl dd, can I buy a cheap chinese jdm style steering wheel just for drifting? and the mclaren one for track/grip stuff
As long as you have an adapter for the aftermarket wheel, yes. I was running a $40 ebay steering wheel for a few years.
Do you keep cars on 100% force feedback in game or you lower it for every car diffrently? I play on CSL DD 8nm some cars feel too agressive and hard
I adjust each car once in-game. A lot of them, especially gravy, I wind up turning down pretty significantly per car.
my first wheel was a g27 and the clamp snapped in 5 days. bought a direct drive right after😭 didnt want something else that would just snap perform a basic function 😭
I have a question about Fanatec. I want to buy a decent setup, so I immediately thought of a whole Fanatec setup, but several people say that wouldn't be the case. Fanatec is not that good at all, in the end. I want to buy a Gran Turismo DD Pro wheel base 8mm but some people say I should go to Monza, fanatect is really that bad
The biggest issue i still have with DD is game compatibly. t300, ive not had any issues playing anything that supported wheels.
Yeah for sure. It's definitely getting better as time goes on but I know especially on console this is a struggle.
so far between my vrs dd and my bros r9. the only game to have a problem setting up the wheel was showrunner and my summer car(msc had simular probs on my old tmx so wasint a dd thing). its basicly not a problem any game that has any wheel support will work. and if your that woryed about compatibly go fanatec as you can set it to run as a csw 2.5 in compatibly mode
lol dd wheelbase work in every game 😂
what steering angle do u think is more realistic? Right now I'm using 1080 degrees on my dd wheel but I see a ton of people running 900. I wonder if it is because most people have belt driven wheels that can't keep up with 1080 or what, cause when I had a cheaper wheel I could only run 540 for the wheel to keep up.
When you put an angle kit on your car it generally results in less rotation in the steering wheel to hit full lock. My Z for example goes maybe a turn and a half, so in many cases 900 going to be the more "realistic" setting.
@@JankyDrift alright thank you, love all of your videos btw they help out a lot (especially the vr motion sickness one)
i was given a G27 setup and I'm starting to be able to link drifts on entire sections in Assetto Corsa. I added on a cheap amazon handbrake (which I've noticed I hardly ever even use). I'm really interested in direct drive, but the cheap side of me says I should buy a used belt driven wheelbase. I can afford a new or used DD wheel in the future, should I just skip over belt driven entirely?
Yeah if you have the resources I would skip belt entirely when it's time to upgrade. Only exception is maybe finding a good used deal on a higher end belt drive wheel, but I'd try to aim higher than t300 just for futuring proofing on your rig.
@@JankyDriftThanks for your input. BTW new subscriber and fellow Georgian here 👋 Love the content
my only problem with the CSL dd is that it doesnt work with ps5 and If I want the ps verison it wayyy expensive
I bought a second-hand G27 g yesterday and today I see this video 😢
If you are a PC sim race player, this video makes sense. Fanatec CLS DD is just £150 to £200 difference comparing to T300 rs GT (not counting the extra pedal you may need to buy for the first wheel). But if you are a PS5 player, forget it.
If you are not yet certain sim racing is for you, get a T300 rs GT since is HALF the price. And I have heard more accounts of the wheel from the Fanatec CLS DD coming off/breaking than the T300 rs GT.
Sim racing is not cheap. So, do not invest heavily before being sure this hobby is for you.
bought a new g29 like 4 months ago, because where am from its literally the only option and its overpriced (350$)🤦🏻♂️ everything you said about it is fair, decent for racing not so much for drifting and its a damn arm workout lol
amma save up the next couple of years and get a moza R3/R5, the shipping is gonna be a pain in the 🍑 duo to moza or any DD or even belt driven wheels not available where am from R.I.P
I'm looking at the Moza R5 and Fanatec CSL DD bundle. Thoughts on either of them?
CSL will give you an option to upgrade to the 8 Nm in future but Moza would cost less (I live in Asia) if budget is the main concern.
Having used both, I'd go with the Moza cause of the price difference and that the ecosystem of Moza is pretty comparable to fanatec nowadays and growing very quickly with their new accessories
For me it was Fanatec, simply because I know I'll have a never ending amount of upgrades, and I spent 400$ for my CSL DD
@@justgauth Yea, can't wait to get it.
If logitech just put some higher rpm motors in the G series it would be an ok entry point. Trouble is the massive gear reduction and low RPM motors makes the things too slow to rotate.
I popped some higher RPM motors in one just to test and it was plenty capable.
Not going to cure all the clunking etc though and a used CSL elite is still a much better option than a new G series
I don't doubt it. The motors are actually pretty decently sized, but they definitely screwed themselves with a ridiculous gear ratio. As with most other things it's all about cost cutting and the greatest sales return as opposed to putting out a capable product, so why bother changing it from their perspective if people keep buying it.
@@JankyDrift I have also wondered if it's a safety thing, the G series is generally marketed towards sim starters and younger kids which means you probably don't want the thing doing a windmill of death while little timmy has his fingers inside the wheel.
It just means it will forever be one to skip unless you pick one up for a really good deal.
Got a g25 for 20$, just toosee what it was like. Definantly want to upgrade after getting a bit better ,lots of fun with it tho
I ran a t300 for a year have over 1,300 hours on it before it gave in, the cooling fan was completely smoldered to the circuit board the wheel started to bend and i still miss that t300 i switched to a moza r5 but i miss the simplicity when i start up forza 5 i have to remap every button with the r5 or with asseto corsa having constant wheel shakes and having tried mulitply settings and not getting it figured it. I didnt have this problem with my t300 it always just worked i plugged it go to settings check if the wheels connected and go, but the r5 is constantly a big headache the wheel itself feels better but the simplicity from the t300 is something i really miss, just plug in and go.
Yeah for sure - Direct requires a ton more tuning. I regretted switching at first too.
I wonder how good a Direct Drive wheel built from a hoverboard motor would be, as compared to commercial options. I'll try to see if a smart person has built something like this, and try to follow their steps, in between all the other things that need to be done. :)
It would probably rip your arms off lol.
I think the power wouldn't be an issue but the software coding required to be implemented into games would be a pain in the ass
Alpha mini gang👌
Playing on PS5 my options are limited. Basically theres g923 g29 t300 and fanatec dd something pro.
The price range is around 300 for Logitech 400 for t300 and 800 for fanatec. I'm leaning most towards t300 due to price and performance. 800 is stretching my budget but if it's worth that much more. Then I'll go with it. Just doesn't seem like it (my first wheel btw)
nothing to say about the cammus ddwb?
I don't have any direct experience with it, but at this point (at least to me) they're mostly a bargain brand trying to enter the market place. If they want to send me some gear I'm more than happy to test and give an opinion, but for the moment I'm not recommending anything that's not widely regarded as a good product.
I just ordered a t300 rs gt for 350 before taxes. My plan was to use it for ACC on pc and gt7 obviously for ps5. But now I’m seriously considering canceling and ordering the csl dd ready to drive bundle for a little over 400. Any input? Like your build quality section the idea of all plastic scares me a little.
There are still plenty of people who run the t300. The plastic doesn't really matter as much as the cooling setup. There's a setting with the T300 to have the fan run 100% of the time, I would make sure you turn that on. If you're just racing, the T300 is more than enough. I don't hear much as far as overheating for regular racing. Drifting however is like a torture test for a wheelbase, and usually what causes the T300 to overheat.
That said, for a difference of $50 bucks I would 100% go DD if you still have the option, mainly because that's going to be a more future proof setup at this point as the whole industry is going DD. Just keep in mind that it only comes with 2 pedals, so if you wanted to add a shifter you'd have to buy the 3rd pedal as well. Overall, I wouldn't panic about having bough the T300, but def worth trying to pick up the fanatec instead if you still can. Either setup I'm sure will be fine.
@@JankyDrift thank you for the quick reply. Yea I might look into switching to the csl dd. The pedal setup wouldn’t be a huge problem. I mainly plan to play ACC. J guess if I decide to try more drifting I could buy that third pedal fanatec sells. Thank you.
im going from some playstation wheel to a cls dd f1 wheel
Damn man im just trying to slide my s15 😂
Great video. Your arms must be tired.
Honestly I have no idea what to do with my arms lol
I just bought t300rsgt for 250€ on blackfriday
where
@@w9s992 local store
Yeah the thing is DD wheels are like football players, the best ability is availability...
random question: what do u do for a living tho?
Random and maybe a little personal lol but I work in marketing.
@@JankyDrift sorry but u spending thousands of dollars on real life drifting/driving got me a lil curious :D
t300rs gt in Brazil is 3x the price of the g29... its 5 months of salary hahaha
I'm developing my own sim. Could use your irl experience to help me craft the ffb and game design. If you're up for a Collab, lmk!
I'd be down to provide feedback. Been keeping a general eye on the project through the assetto drift group on Facebook.
@@JankyDrift yea pondering a way to start a community to actively play. Right now it seems to be isolated testing.
a direct drive wheel would have been a good option if didnt cost a damn 1000$ for console compatibility
Moza R3 is coming out for console which was the cheapest direct I mentioned in the video. That said, peripherals and all that add up pretty fast. Console players generally seem to be more casual and there unfortunately aren't a ton of options that line up with that from a price standpoint right now.
so I tried a DD for the first time and holy molly, I didn't thought it was this good! my t300 now feels like a junk@@JankyDrift
@@w9s992 Now suddenly the price seems more reasonable, right? That's how you get sucked in lol.
to be honest its illegal to buy a belt drive for more than 300$. Now I fully understand LOL @@JankyDrift
Damn you look skinner in the old video 😅
@@iguessYoo lol. I'm aware, thanks.
I think you should just donate a set up to me :)
I think you're looking for Mr Beast's channel on that one lol.
I see how it is@@JankyDrift
>don't buy Logitech buy Trustmaster
>don't buy Trustmaster buy Moza
Stop. Just stop it.
@@glitch_pope opinions can change friend. Especially as the industry changes, which it has significantly since I made that original video with budget direct drive coming out.
So YOU just stop it lol.
@@JankyDrift no, it's ridiculous to just advice people to buy more expensive product than what they now actually have or are planning to buy. Not everyone can stretch their budget more and more and more and more and more and more to the point when it's essentially comes to buying a used BMW (or STRETCH a little and buy a used Porsche).
People should be happy with what they have and what they can afford without spending more than they should. And these types of videos aren't helpful.
@@glitch_pope I'm giving people advice on what is going to provide the best experience for the money. Everybody's budget is different so you need to work within that. It's unfortunately an expensive hobby so you need to decide what makes sense for you.
But that's common sense, which it seems like you might be lacking? 🤔
I’ve just upgraded from a Thrustmaster t500rs and there solid pedals to a moza r12 and srp pedals I’ve not tried it yet as for being on holiday I just hope I’ve made the right decision, the tm500 I got loads of fun with it for over 10years and seemed good at ffb to me will the moza live up to my expectations of it being better with more improvements for the cost of it or have i just made a pricey mistake 🤔 as the saying goes if it ain’t broken why fix it