COACHING A BEGINNER LOGITECH G29 DRIVER! - Sim Racing
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- Опубліковано 27 тра 2024
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00:00 Intro and Onboard Lap
01:59 Comment about Force Feedback Clipping
03:30 His biggest driving issue
09:35 Back on Track
11:51 Track Usage Tip
15:41 Inducing Understeer
19:46 Inducing Oversteer
23:45 Inducing Over then Under
25:05 Spin on Purpose
28:17 Driving Normally Again
29:33 Homework
30:30 Track Conditions Tips
32:17 The Motor Racing Checklist 2.0
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Please do more videos like this where you look at things from a beginner's point of view. The amount of us that are novice far outweigh the experienced drivers. You aren't just helping us shave seconds off of our lap time You're helping us shave months and years off of our rate of progression.
Agreed
I'm excited because this is the car I enjoy driving and know this course well. The driver is within a half second of my best time, so we're in the ball park. Might not have the same issues, but I bet there's some overlap.
Well said
1:45 1:48 1:49
Exactly what I thought. I don't need to chase for seconds when I don't understand how the car actually behaves. The exercises in this video are pure gold to learn. Thank you for sharing this session with us !
That explanation around 5:00-6:00 was excellent! The idea of slightly different turn-in timing equating to very different turning circles was super eye-opening for me
yeah amazing! the circle comparison was a real eye-opener!
I'm glad you pointed out this is a G29 wheel because I have a $1000 DD setup and I'm making the same mistakes. Things I thought better FF could fix, but I really have to fix them myself.
You are great at identifying the core issues and giving feedback in an inspiring way, but also, how amazing was your student!
Very flexible and responsive, not being a slave to his habits, quick to grasp the concepts.
Amazing job, both of you!
My respect goes to anyone who tries learning trail braking on the default Logitech pedals, it is NOT easy.
Also, the student is one hell of a fast learner. Kudos!
U talking bout that brake pedal
I have watched thousands of videos here for beginners, and it is the first really useful one which describes clearly what is the problem when you start, and in a practical way.
Even for a layman who has no interest in racing, this is extremely insightful.
I've been sim racing for 3 years now and this is one of the most helpful videos I've seen so far
I did the drills from the video and WOW did things click! I am having so much more fun now that I understand how to use the oversteer and understeer properly
many people can go fast but very little can "explain". You're the man! I played sim more than 10years, I just know how to "go fast" but each of your explanation kept opening my eyes for more knowledge! Thanks Suellio! your book surely enlighten me!
As a beginner as well this video was insanely helpful. Glad i stumbled on your account. Awesome coaching keep up the great work.
My fastest lap time in the canadian gp track was 1:12:065, with this tutorial I just set a time of 1:11:034. Thanks man.
For the newbies in G29s/G920s: it's a good enough wheel for you to be competitive. I recommend you do not remove the stop in the brakes and just calibrate them via game or through Windows. Get a pack of hall effect thingies for the pedals as it's easy to set up and you'll avoid headaches with the potentiometers. If you live in a first world country, you probably can get a load cell mod. When upgrading, if you can only upgrade one thing, get a cockpit or a load cell pedal set first and after that start thinking about upgrading the wheelbase. The key to being competitive is practice practice practice.
the explanation you do with the arcs are so simple but so correct at the same time, it amazes me
wow, impressive, i really appreciate the patience you show in letting someone mess up over and over until they catch on and push to learn something when confused until they understand. your teaching and processes for learning is just awesome. at some point as i learn and practice more, i absolutely want to do a lesson. i think i could learn so much from 1 or more sessions with you
just awesome!!
Never knew about that limiter. Now i need to check mine...this could be my issue.
Thank you so much for videos like this!!! I upgraded my sim pedals today and decided to go back to mx-5s to work myself back up to speed but was struggling massively spinning on entry to long sweeping corners. Knowing to induce understeer saved me!!!
Literally just got a G29 for Christmas and got into Assetto Corsa and BeamNG because of it, thank you for these super helpful beginner tips Suellio!
Loving all these videos, I'm sure 90% of what you teach translates to other sims but would be cool and helpful to see you do do a video for ACC if that's possible? Thank you and keep up the great content!
This was amazing!!!! Absolutely Amazing!!
Thank you and your student for passing on such an essential part of racing.
I will definitely be watching this again and again whilst practicing.
Thank you.
Will be watching this over and over again!!
This is very helpful, I watch all your vids but I'm always especially looking out for the beginner lessons like this that helps me with the basic fundamentals as a beginner myself. Thanks bro.
Subscribed and watching (and practicing) all your vids. Thanks for making your content available. Brilliant coaching and comprehensive format.
What a great video. I really like how you’re guiding and coaching the student. Awesome work.
Been watching so many videos and have learnt more from this than 100s before. Thank you.
Hey Suellio, exactly what i need. Thanks, man.
Liked and subscribed. As a production note, I'd drop the background music. your narrative isnt bolstered by it, you're instruction is pure gold.
This was shockingly useful. Thank you for sharing!
Totally amazing coaching!
quality coaching as usual!
An incredible video. The concept of making the car do something and then learn to correct it. I can now see how valuable your content and methods are. Just awesome! thankyou!
This is truelly brilliant stuff!! I can't wait to have my laps broke down and find out where I can most effectively practice and grow. ❤
I've just watched 8 minutes and it has helped me a lot, that's an amazing explanation!
I can't wait to try this I'm sure I'll need coaching!
Just started sim racing and what you are saying and how you're explaining it, makes so much sense! Brilliant video dude, ya got a sub ❤.
Welcome aboard!
That oversteer to understeer just blew my mind. Time to practice.
Thank you! Valuable insight in becoming faster.
So. Helpful. Just absolutely incredible how much I needed this
Omg the correcting oversteer with throttle just solved most of my problems, I knew that more throttle puts weight over the rear tires and increases grip but thought once the slide starts any extra throttle will just bring you around more. I'm going to try this when I go for another stock car circuit race where it just wants to spin everywhere.
I have a Logitech g29 and I just got it this video helps thanks suellio
This was amazing. I think this is exactly what I'm struggling with. Thanks for sharing.
This was amazing advice in one video.
This is amazing! Thank you for this video and all the amazing content you bring. This was very helpful for me since some of these issues are also issues i was having. I like that you help me understand and not just tell me "work on your turns".
😎🙌🏻
This video is so helpful, thank you!
Man I feel your like the pieces to the puzzle, I was struggling rotating to much too early, but I didn't know how explain it to myself. It was like an eureka moment lol
You sir, are an excellent teacher!
I started Iraci g 2 years go with a Thrustnaster 458 spider 😅 I’m still playing with it and I had to learn everything by my self. If I had to start today for sure I’ll hire a couch!
Really Great content !!
Fantastic lesson
21:00 was amazing -- you're a hell of a teacher
11:00 needs to push that right wheel all the at to that white line.
I have a g920 which is the same as this wheel he’s using and throttle control is kind of difficult, but once you get used to it becomes easy. Great session man love to see the Logitech still having great results.
Estou querendo iniciar nesse mundo e seus vídeos estão dando um ânimo pra isso!! Thank you for sharing!
You got my sub great coaching
awesome video. I hope everyone gets to see it.
Let me take notes and see if I can find anything on the intro lap:
1. Can be much more aggressive on turn 2. Use the kurb and hold more speed. There is A LOT of time to be gained here.
2. Is there enough brake bias in the car? I feel like he braked too early in turn 3 which caused him to not hold enough speed. That straight is very, very long so you need to get a good exit here. There shouldn't really be any coasting either. It's brake, trail brake, throttle with only a moments worth of coasting if needed.
3. For the next section he needs to go further right and LOOK at the corner/kurb so he turns where he needs to. I noticed he is not using the kurbs. The kurbs are a part of the track, use them! You need to know the track limits so you can do so in practice to figure them out and abuse those limits every single time. Use all of the track and don't be afraid of the car. Sliding there is natural, you want to use that oversteer to your advantage which allows you to hold more speed on the corner.
4. I noticed on the very next corner that he again, clearly has a glaring issue with braking too early, then not holding enough speed on the corner. He also is still not using the kurbs. This is very bad, too much time wasted. If this was me racing, I would be pissed with my performance doing that lol! Hold more speed, and use the kurbs.
5. After he spun out, I went back and checked his acceleration inputs. This guy doesn't ease onto the throttle at all and normally just completely lifts. That's why he keeps spinning out. Most racers only brake then ease back onto the throttle. The problem is this guys racing style/habits are bad. They need to be reformed from the ground up and he needs to have the basics of racing theory pounded into his head. 1:21 Just look at how long he is off the throttle. These cars LOVE to oversteer when off throttle. You need to brake, apex, hold then hold the throttle. There should be close to zero time from braking to throttling which is why he's spinning. He also needs to be much lighter on the pedal and gradually increase the throttle.
Okay so now lets see if I was right.
Edit: Never trail braking too much which is the "he's braking too early and his action of braking into throttling has gaps where it shouldn't" part of what I said comes in. Saying that he's a victim of the balance of the car is a perfect way to describe his driving lol! You should understand your car, get comfortable with it, and control the car. Not letting the car control you instead. These are the main issues he is having. Fix the braking and the balance of the car will come with it. Fix the track use / throttling and the rest will follow. Looks like I was right on the money again with this one!
Edit #2: Was right on the money again. I instantly noticed he wasn't using all of the track which was causing his problems. He needs to go further right and use ALL of the track. That in itself will help stabilize the car and is VERY important for both the corner and exit speeds of the following corner. Not surprised this is the solution to his problem for this corner :). I noticed pretty quickly that he was simply asking for more than the car needed to give which is a massive loss of time in the top splits. Also, not using the kurbs is killing his arc.
Edit #3: What a brilliant way to fix his track usage problem! I just learned something new as a reference point for myself to be more consistent. Though I've never really had a problem with using all of the track since I'm been playing racing games since I was a toddler so well over 2 decades now :). Also, please tell him to use the kurbs, my OCD is acting up watching this 😂. Also yes, he needs to understand that in practice he should be crashing/spinning to find the cars absolute limit then dialing it back. Of course you wouldn't do this IRL, but this is a video game and one of the massive advantages of such, is that you can do so.
Edit #4: Hey look, it's just like I said. "Where's the throttle?!?!?" 😂 Now he gets to learn how he shouldn't be coasting as much as he has been. It was clear as day to me that he did not understand that you shouldn't be coasting much in these cars or you will get too much oversteer. For now just fixing this issue should be enough but in reality he's still braking too early though.
Edit #5: For his turning late issue, I don't think he realizes that he's not considering the kurb to be a part of the track. It is a part of the track and you should be looking at where you want to go. Doing that alone would solve most of his issue here. He could turn in a bit earlier by looking at the kurb (where he wants to go), hitting it, then exiting out using the next kurb so he doesn't turn too much.
Edit #6: Looks like we didn't get to fix his braking issue but everything else was touched on. I think he will become a much, much faster driver now thanks to your help. But he still needs these braking issues to be fixed.
Suellio, holy crap, this video was great to watch. I think I need to sign up with you for some 1:1 coaching. I've been plateaued for wayyyy too long. I'll try to finish your course first though :)
Before I watched this video, I couldn't really understand why a lot of F1 drivers wanted an oversteery setup. Sure I know that having some oversteer helps with rotation, but I didn't realize that this is HOW you use oversteer properly. This was an amazing video, thank you for this!
Love these videos. It has helped me understand some of my issues. Now I just need to master some trail breaking to help fix my understeer in my f122 game lol
You are an impressive educator.
Too much to learn here, thank you very much Sir.
You are good teacher - no doubt 👍❤
I have over 1000 hours combined on ac and acc, this video was still very useful
I legit raced NASCAR and I still learn stuff from your videos 😂👏🏻 Good job man! 10\10
This guy is amazing!
Turning down my ffb was the best advice i have gotten for sim racing that made perfect sense.
Track usage testing was fire tbh
That guy learns really fast, if u see this comment and get in touch with that guy, tell him i am amazed and im sayig "you did amazing"
Nice. Thanks.
I know on GT7, in the Gr.3 Ferrari 458 Italia, on Mount Panorama, in the sharp uphill left, as i ease off the brake, i find myself easing into the throttle before releasing the brake all the way, to control oversteer. And that is what youre teaching here. I HAD NO IDEA!! So i learned that i learned something advanced without being taught. Thats cool. And also on the downhill right left right left right section, i ease the throttle while releasing the brake to control oversteer in a downhill section. It controls the weight transfer SO MUCH BETTER that in online races in my group, I DOMINATE that track. And im no pro by any means.
Finally moving to DD this video drops 😭
As always thanks for everything regardless!! Still very helpful.
Sounds so much like my friend GG. Hope he found your coaching helpful.
Please do more of these
A lot of your videos are helpful but out of all I watched this one felt extremely helpful. Ive been racing for a year, maybe year and a half, and the idea of inducing understeer to straighten the car is not something I've seen anyone mention, apart from some of your videos but not as in depth as this one.
Unlearnig the countersteer though is going to take time!
very interesting !
Boas !! Fiquei muito feliz de saber de vc ! e te desejo todo osucesso possivel e impossivel !! Seu video ja me ajudou e tirei 2 seg . do meu melhor tempo e sem mexer no setup ! ando de AMS 1 e 2 AC,ACC, RF2 e RR
im an experienced driver on the thrustmaster tmx and ive got to B class and almost 3000 irating after 3 months so remember equipment doesnt matter too much, but the driver does.
Hi Suellio! Thank you for all of these videos that help so much! I am wondering on one thing however. In one of the videos you have made about trail braking, you said to brake slightly into the corner so that there is less understeer. However, in this video, you say to put a little bit throttle. Please clarify if possible.
different stages of the corner
what is spider-man doing in the pit lane😂
That Video helped a lot, already knew how to rotate the car on the brakes but I often lost it. Never thought about applying throttle as i thought, if i already got oversteer it will just make it worse😁 like you said in the end, i did about 300 laps not really knowing what i did and couldn't improve my laptimes, with that knowledge i could improve within 10 laps already 😁
Great teacher and G92/920 is a great wheel even for more than beginners. A lot of it has to do with the calibration and setup of the game you're playing. And yes it might be a little harder to tell where you are on the brake / throttle on this wheel and its inaccurate but I think you will be doing extremely small corrections when driving a car fast anyway even with a good rig.
Wow, you have opened my eyes to racing mechanics that I didn't know existed. I have watched hundreds of videos teaching the basics to beginners, but this is on whole another level. Let me ask you though, if you induce oversteer/understeer on every corner, wouldn't that wear out your tires much faster than just driving on a normal line with maximum grip? I assume that it will make you faster as you will be able to accelerate earlier/harder, but I feel like it wouldn't be feasible on longer races where tire wear matters a lot. Is that not the case?
I also play on a g29 and i notice a lot of the same habits of being far less commanding of the car and being far more a victim of the balance than I am when I’m racing irl whether its go karts or my actual car so this was a good video for me
For me, thinking that the tyres only have a certain amount of "function" really helps (comes from track training days on my motorbike), so if you are demanding braking load, you will inevitably lose turning ability and vice versa, so if you are coming into a corner, you need to get "most" of the braking out of the way beforehand (the tyres can't do both at the same time) - regardless of how hard or soft/trailing that braking actually is, it needs to be done so you can then fully use turning function.
So I think of it as a slider between the two variables < turning braking > If I need to turn, I need to NOT need to be braking and if I need to be braking, then I need to reduce how much I am turning. Obvs braking could be thought of as "traction generally" cos it's not just braking but also acceleration out of the corner as well, the prime example is how you roll on the throttle as the road opens back up (you are turning less and less so can now use the function for acceleration more and more).
And then once all of that is "sorted" in my mind I then also think about settling the car/bike between extremes too ("don't surprise the tyres"), so I am aiming for even weight between front and rear during the actual turn (too much on the front results in understeer in the corner and then during acceleration results in oversteer for example).
I am FAR from being a fast driver / rider, but I understand the physics at least. The thing I am struggling with atm is the state of the tyres (pressure and temp rise), I can't work out of it's setup or my aggressiveness or if the aliens do actually start off with way lower pressures and just don't admit it to us plebs.
PS: This was a brill tutorial! Thank you so much! Plenty to go and practise on now :-D
Back the next day and watched again. Great tutorial Suellio. I think I am in that category of doing the same bad thing again and again and it just getting to be a stronger habit!
I just got a g920 with the works. Suddenly I forget how to shift during important turns. When to down shift/ brake….. sooo difficult for me. More video like this is greatly helpful. Thank you 🙏
How much did you pay for it?
@@SimChaserRoseRacer 299 for the wheel. 49 for the shifter. But with price match from Amazon it was a little cheaper
I probably learn more from you in 10 minutes than I would in half a year goin on my own.
Especially these counterintutive things that you can only come up with when you understood the dynamics very well is insanely useful for beginners like me.
I really tried to get oversteer right and especially to catch the oversteer but I was tryin it with countersteer.
I mean sometimes it worked but Its hardly controllable for me.
I`ll test tomorrow to try with even more steer and gas.
Where could I get a private lesson?
I guess I should do your course... Everytime I get a glimpse of the contents - I totally change my point of view...
Perfect! This is solid content!
Just a small thing is your color choices for text notes. Red and purple is hard to read together.
So I'm no racer.. I do play PCARS2 every now again, but strictly time attacks (I enjoy the singleplayer element in it).
I do enjoy watching people play iRacing, but I'd never dive into it.
This video was an amazing watch! Not only because we got to see a driver improve, but also your feedback, approach and execution was magnificent.
Having "trained" (more like baby-sitting) kids in CSGO I notice a fair amount of discrepancy between us.
You are a trainer - I was merely there to unlock a door for kids to fool around with a PC for 2½ hours 😂
14:05 this is a great tip.
the hardest point for me is the tuning . I could see other people do stuff I could not and thought it was my driving . then as I adjusted I could do the same thing others could .
I'm a very consistent mediocre sim racer and definitely think I could make it to the upper tiers of mediocrity by watching your videos!
Really like how you break things down so even my caveman brain can understand. You've definitely earned a sub!
Hey Suellio , Are there any coaching sessions included in the Motor Racing Checklist
This is too good
SUPER!
Great video, great channel. Noobie sim racer here, what sim is this that allows us to practice and compare times?
During the over under excercise at first he is on full throttle on the middle of the corner. Thats why he’s constantly spinning
greeeat video! as alwyas
I only subscribed since you are close to 100k. I bet its a great vid tho.
What exactly did you do to help with his force feedback clipping?
How can you see the pedal and steering input when you are watching him drive? Isn't that hidden in iR when you watch someone else drive?
Suellio whats the avarge to spend on iracing for year
i dont know what game to play iracing or ACC?
or what game?
In GT7 I am able consistently to do quali times 1.5-1.8 seconds off the top times on given track using Logi G29. Difficult to progress beyond that, I think main issue are the pedals, and not the wheel itself. It seems very difficult to actually do a trail braking on this G29 brake pedal