I faced a domestic violence charge with an intoxicated ex. The cops at my door wanted to rough me up. I saw it in their eyes..Had I not told my side of the story, initially not believed, They would have cuffed me right then. However, a Sheriff cadet was jogging by at 3 am and saw that she fell out of a car with liquor bottles falling out. She face planted and he came by, told me to dial 911. Our stories matched and I was saved from big trouble. Thanks dude, whoever you are in the Martinez Sheriff Dept.
In other words, what you said meant jack shit, and you almost went to jail on a DV charge that would have robbed you of your right to keep and bear arms because you felt you had to defend your good name, instead of force them to follow the law. (Instead of criminally assault you as you say they seemed to want)
A statement, even a brief one, after something as traumatic as a self-defense shooting is bound to have errors. The best thing is to only give a statement after the shock and adrenaline has worn off and only with a lawyer present. Never give a statement right after shooting.
Say Little Approach: 911 call: name, location, “I was attacked”, “I was in fear for my/their life”, “I had to defend myself/them”, request police and ambulance. Responding officers: Same as above, adding: identification of any exculpatory witnesses/evidence, request medical attention for yourself, “I assert/invoke my right to silence and an attorney.” Investigators: Say nothing. Assert your rights to silence/attorney.
I would reconsider using the phrase "I was in fear for my life" check out a video that the Armed Attorney's did about using that phrase. I think it's in one of their speaking with the police videos.
In my very first carry class years ago, the state police detective said something similar with a bit of a variance. "There's been a shooting" not "I shot someone, I was afraid, etc". The dispatcher is trained to try to get you to say things on the recorded line that will be used against you - don't play into it. When police arrive, "I'd love to cooperate with your investigation and make a statement however first I'd like to consult with an attorney" FULL STOP.
@@rrtnps I was going to mention that phrase thinking to police it will make the same impression as "I cant breath" repeated at ever increasing volume or "I didnt do anything" .
Your 911 call approach already has a huge flaw. It cements your legal theory. If your defense decides a different legal theory would have been better to argue in court than the one sentence one you gave the police, it's too late, unless you want prosecution to ask why your reason changed. Better: Get someone to call the police for you, and if you have to call them, keep it vague. "There's been a shooting. Send help. Here's the address. Goodbye."
The thing that makes this topic so harrowing is that there are lifelong consequences for each action. Defend yourself, say the wrong thing, and prison may be your new home. Do nothing, and you or your family member might be buried. Then add in the anti gun prosecuters and DAs, and it only makes this minefield more deadly. Thank you for these videos, I bought the book you suggested. I pray I never have to use my gun. I also realize that carrying a CCW is not something you just do. There's so much more. Where are you, what's behind you, who's behind your line of fire...
I agree with what you said, but one point sticks out- "...anti-gun prosecutors and DAs..." That's why I live in a Red state, where my home is my castle, and it is a God-given right to defend myself, my family, and my possessions. That should be taken into consideration, too. Living in a gun-hating blue state will get an innocent homeowner jailed waaaaay before the criminal breaking into his house. Peace!
@NegativeROG I live in a state that goes both ways, red and blue. We have the castle doctrine, too. Just be mindful that criminal court is one thing, and civil court is another. One can still be sued via civil court wise, and that can be VERY costly as well.
@@NegativeROG I mostly agree with your main idea but do you seriously think because you live in a ' Red State" the DA/Police etc are going to pat you on the back, high 5 you and say "Nice shootin, Tex" and just let you split? No, of course not. Sure, your chances might be better of not being tossed in prison, but, it's still their job to find fault and prosecute. I'm guessing there are lots of people in your state that get sent to prison for shootings. Like I said, I agree that you're better off in Texas than Cali. Again, i'm not trying to trash talk you but it's just not a simple situation based on Rep or Demo state or your political leanings. God, let's both hope neither of us has to use the guns for anything other than hunting or training!
@@LuisOrtiz-uj2veopinions vary and every situation is different and can play out several ways. Just know if you could have walked away from a scenario they will expose it. If you’re truly justified then you really won’t have to explain that there was no other choice. Don’t point it if you aren’t willing to destroy it because if and when it happens everything has already gone wrong. I understand why you are thinking what you are but not everything is always cut and dry. And in a liberal state you better be in the right.
@@LuisOrtiz-uj2ve "I was attacked (or my friend or neighbor was attacked) and *I was in fear for my (their) life* , and acted as necessary to defend my (their) life . This person attacked in THIS way for THIS reason . Here is evidence and the weapon used (SECURE WEAPONS from being "removed" from the scene) , there are the witnesses . I will FULLY cooperate , and I know you're only doing your job , but I will only say further with my attorney present . I now need an ambulance to go to the hospital . " _YOU_ *MUST* call 911 YOURSELF and MUST request POLICE _AND_ AN AMBULANCE for both YOURSELF _AND_ anyone who may have _sadly_ SURVIVED the shooting , and for ANY VICTIMS of the malicious shooter . But GET *LEGAL ADVICE _AHEAD OF TIME_ . I have USCCA . Consider GOOD advice . Massad Ayoob is considered one of the BEST . Act with PRUDENCE and wisdom , prepare ahead of time if you decide to carry or use . *DO **_NOT_** RELY* on You Tube OR YOU TUBE *COMENTERS* for ANYTHING _you_ decide to *DO* .
@@VeritasAequitas617 - "I was attacked (or my friend or neighbor was attacked) and *I was in fear for my (their) life* , and acted as necessary to defend my (their) life . This person attacked in THIS way for THIS reason . Here is evidence and the weapon used (SECURE WEAPONS from being "removed" from the scene) , there are the witnesses . I will FULLY cooperate , and I know you're only doing your job , but I will only say further with my attorney present . I now need an ambulance to go to the hospital . " _YOU_ *MUST* call 911 YOURSELF and MUST request POLICE _AND_ AN AMBULANCE for both YOURSELF _AND_ anyone who may have _sadly_ SURVIVED the shooting , and for ANY VICTIMS of the malicious shooter . But GET *LEGAL ADVICE _AHEAD OF TIME_ . I have USCCA . Consider GOOD advice . Massad Ayoob is considered one of the BEST . Act with PRUDENCE and wisdom , prepare ahead of time if you decide to carry or use . *DO **_NOT_** RELY* on You Tube OR YOU TUBE *COMENTERS* for ANYTHING _you_ decide to *DO* .
Yes sir, agree. I'm both a USCCA and NRA member and yes on the rear of my USCCA membership card it states the brief statement as follows... Comply: Follow all police instructions Explain: " I was attacked, feared for my life and had to defend myself". Identify: Point out evidence witnesses and attacker. Medical: Is request medical attention, if necessary. Silence: " I will cooperate 100%, but first I need my attorney". (Do not talk further without your lawyer present.)
Problem is, most people will have a hard time composing such a brief statement well, and then resisting police pressure to continue interrogation. The best thing is to have *you're attorney* make a brief statement. I find it very hard to believe that your example case was represented by counsel, because an attorney would have already developed a narrative a spoken with investigators long before court
Interesting how MA brought up the Armed Attys who are on IG too 🤳🏼. I've watched their video content now for around 12mo. More ccw users & armed officers: security, LE, corrections need to understand case law 📂 legal use of force events.
Yea, he's a good cop. But he's also an advocate for the cops, and there are way more crooks among cops than he lets on. Your lawyer is your advocate. That nice detective who acts like your friend is not your advocate. Their job is important. In my view, waiving your rights does not generally help them.
I had a self defense shooting. I remembered Mr Ayoob's advice. The man that I had to shoot passed away, I didn't go to jail. Just wanted to say thank you for the experience and advice on this channel.
@@jason200912 Nothing. There was no trial. I do carry FLP, and got a lawyer at no cost. But the police took my case to the District Attorney as a self defense shooting. The District Attorney reviewed the evidence and the case, and no charges were filed.
Without getting into too much detail, I should state the man was caught on camera threatening me with a weapon, and advancing on me. So, it was fairly open and shut. I did not know about the camera evidence until after the district attorney declined charges.
I love the way Mr. Ayoob presents his videos. He is very thoughtful in his presentations. As a first time gun owner at 63y.o., any insights he has that might apply to me now or in the future, I will take to heart. So thank you Mr. Ayoob, you have just gained another subscriber.
I love following Massad. Most of us on here are experienced shooters and practice both self defense and home defense situations on a regular basis. However it is information like this that can be critical to not having to be removed from your family that you had just protected. This is pure gold...please pay attention.
Being arrested is FAR from the worst case. Going to prison for decades is. That's what ACTUAL defense attorneys are trying to avoid. They don't care if you get arrested (at least at a high level) - they want to keep you out of prison. That should be your goal too. You don't know at the time if others will view this as a good shoot.
Thank you for all you do! I share many of your videos on my humble Facebook group. I am currently in a battle with Facebook over “ community standards “. I will keep posting Xcellent information such as this. Thanks again for all you do! Tom
Before I received my conceal carry permit over 30 years ago, I purchased and read the guide recommended by the Sheriff's Office "A Consolidated Guide To Firearms Laws & Licensing". It was a must-read at the time. Massad's 2nd Edition "Deadly Force" was so far beyond that old guide that I would go as far as to say that anyone carrying without knowing the concepts in that book should not be doing so. This video touches on Chapter 14, "After the Shooting". But there is so much more mental preparedness needed that everyone needs throughout those pages. It can’t be easy to boil down such a complex subject into something that the average citizen can absorb. Thank you, Massad!
It’s very important that after your “brief statement” that you state, out loud, that you wish to speak to your attorney, AND you wish to remain silent. Some police CAN take complete silence (not asserting your right to remain silent) as an admission of guilt. Make certain you say, “I assert my right to remain silent until I consult my attorney.”
Remember what Rittenhouse trial Judge Bruce Schroeder told District Attorney Binger after Binger mentioned during the trial that Rittenhouse chose to remain silent? It doesn't matter what the police think in this circumstance. They're not the lawyers, judge, or jury. Your premise is incorrect.
Yeah it’s called the 5th Amendment loophole. Silence can mean guilt unless you expressly say you are exercising your right to remain silent until your attorney is present.
I have been following you for several decades, in your articles and videos. Thank you for so many years of enjoyable information. You are my "most trusted" gun guy.
@@zachansen8293 Daniel Perry was convicted of murdering Garrett Foster here in Austin was because he gave statements that changed. Tom Grieve podcast spoke about why this happens, and I believe that this channel spoke about it. There is a very fine line between cooperating with law enforcement after a use of deadly force, and saying too much. The defense attorney for Mr. Perry spoke about the case after the verdict, and had several issues with the jurors on the case. Ultimately, the judge felt that the issues could be addressed by his jury instructions.
@@ThomasHarrison-u8l Definitely a fine line. If you choose to carry a weapon, you have a responsibility to think in advance about that line. Not cool to see people stressed out, traumatized and then say something bad cops or the prosecutor will twist around.
We need a workshop on what a brief statement sounds like, and perhaps some practice writing exercises and role playing with various personality types typically seen in the field of law enforcement. Thank you.
Massad .., I respect what you say so much . That I re watch your early videos and still find them interesting , because each time I do... I learn something I missed.
"911, what's your emergency" Caller: "We had an intruder break-in, shots were fired and the suspect is down. Please send emergency services right away." No admission of guilt involved but gives an outline of what occurred. Bad advice. NEVER talk to police.
@@zachansen8293 I would bet money that Massad has been involved in far many shooting cases in court than probably any lawyer in the world. I've seen some online videos from actual lawyers, lawyers who claim to be Constitutional attorneys and 2nd Amendment attorneys who are absolute idiots and who clearly have almost no understanding of the Constitution, its history, the history of cases, and the 2nd Amendment. Additionally, but separately from that, consider also that The Brady organization, and Everytown, etc., are all staffed with lawyers who literally are experienced 2nd Amendment attorneys. Being a Constitutional or 2nd Amendment attorney does not, by itself, say a thing about the motivation or experience of a person. There's no certification standard for being either. There are laws that limit who can say they are attorneys but there are none about who can add the Constitutional or 2nd Amendment qualification to their being an attorney.
Brought back memories of a Police shooting in Australia at Hornsby where a female Police officer opened fire on a mental guy who escaped a psych hospital with a knife in a busy mall. Yep bullets fired and 3 innocent people were shot. Police confirmed Sourian (the knife man) did not stab anyone and the three bystanders were shot, who include an 82-year-old woman and 65-year-old woman, are in a stable condition in hospital.Footage from seconds after the shooting shows the female police officer apologising to one of the elderly women who had been shot. Remember this is gun free Australia and this shooting went VERY quiet after the event. The Police have magical powers after these shootings. Joe Public has nil magic powers.
As always Massad, you are the Sage that we need to have access to. I have followed you over the years, starting when I purchased my first box of Black Talons. Thank you for continuing to provide us with rock solid information!
Mas, Always great to hear you, sir! As both a combat infantry man in Vietnam, special forces, army ranger involved in more than one shooting in combat. As a certified Peace Officer in the state of Texas, US Army, criminal investigator, a Texas district attorney investigator. I’ve also been involved in more than one LEO shooting. I couldn’t agree more with what you relayed in this video to everyone who cares to listen. I think it would be the rare law enforcement official, who would go to any length to get someone to incriminate themselves in a self-defense shooting I know I never would have and no one I ever worked with would have. We would have gotten what we needed. Made sure they didn’t need any medical or mental health treatment, because, as you well know, the effects of taking another persons life are immense. The brief statement is exactly what needs to be said. After all of my critical incidents after calling for back up, and an ambulance, no matter what an ambulance, the next call, I asked to be made was to the Texas Ranger. And I have the great fortune of having, an outstanding Texas Ranger investigate my shootings in the panhandle of Texas. Thank you very much Mas for what you done to keep all of us out of jail! L O L!
That brief statement is just an opening for you and cop to start a verbal sparring match which you will not win. You think the cop won't interrupt that statement with all kind of questions and statements meant to incriminate you? Heck they do that even in simple traffic stops.
@@MrWebster If that happened I'd just respectfully ask to not be interrupted and if incapable, please have an officer assigned to take my statement that can professionally do so.
Ayoob is still stuck in the 80s. NEVER talk to the police now with recordings and mass politicization of the justice system. Times have changed and our self defense tactics have to as well
So you made an interesting argument. Now just qualify, convince us that you're the expert we should follow on these matters, by telling us just exactly - plus or minus a hundred or two, if you want, how many gun shootings you have been involved with in the courts, either on the stand or behind the scenes as an advisor. Get within even a few hundred of Massad Ayoob and then it might make sense that we get our advice from Mr. Maxwell. *Waiting for your numerical rather than defensive reply*
That’s why after give your brief statement and ask for medical attention, invoke your right to an attorney. You will be too high on adrenaline to think clearly and recall facts clearly. If there’s any slight difference in anything said that body camera picks up and what you say later in the interview, a prosecutor will focus on that and you never know what a jury might think.
When I took my classes at Thunder Ranch - The recommendation was to briefly state that state the situation and that you were in fear for your life and that you had eliminated the threat and that you would cooperate after speaking to your attorney. Then say goodbye to your firearm. Also when the case goes to court the prosecutor will recount that brief statement that you gave. Made a lot of sense to me
An interesting thing as the the two lawyers from the Armed Attorney's channel that Ayoob mentions in this video says _not_ to say you were in fear of your life -- don't use those exact words, at any rate. As they advise, you most certainly _do_ want to convey the information to the detectives investigating the incident that you were in fear of your life, you just don't want to do it with that exact phrase. According to them, it's become such a commonly heard phrase in such incidents, that it now sounds like something memorized and repeated back, and this makes it sound artificial, and therefore likely to arouse at least some suspicion. They advise you to say something else that comes across as more natural, such as "he was gonna kill me!" or "I'm sure he meant to kill me," or "I thought I was about to die!" or something along those lines.
Thank you, sir for teaching common sense. I really enjoy your videos and appreciate everything you do for the community. I stopped watching the video to buy the book and then came back to finish the video. Thank you.
I love when Mr. Ayoob starts yelling and getting mad. The passion is there. Love it!!!! Thank you for this video. It is something we all should know. Keep up the great work!!
The guy spent weeks in jail untill a hearing and he was dismissed, an office said if he had known this would not have happened. Where was this guys attorney, he should have been out within 24 hours.
Weekend, plus one day if it is a holiday. I take anything with a grain of sand from somebody that claimed they killed a snake by missing it. Thunder Ranch did a video proving it to be a lie.
@@waynecastleman1363 My first Attorney was also a friend, and one of the nuggets of wisdom he gave me before passing on to a better place was this: "The jails are full of poor people whose biggest mistake was not paying for a decent Attorney."
Thank you for the update . Your insight and advice from experience is greatly appreciated! Like many I have been told both sides , ultimately each person needs to decide in advance what course they will follow or you may screw yourself up in a time of crisis.
As Massad Ayoob clearly states: if you carry a loaded gun, you CARRY the lawful accountable & legal obligations. In 2024 there's no "yee haw" f*** the law or the 2A is my carry permit" trash! As Active Self Protection says; you won't be at my gun fight & I won't be at yours!
Retired FTO/PPO, and doing my due diligence, my renewal for Armed Citizens is coming up. While I wasn't planning on jumping ship, I do shop around every year to see what else is new and their assorted angles. Knowing what I do about field investigations, I'm 100% on board with the Brief Statement, or as every training officer will tell you, 'Just The Facts, Jack'. Point of the matter here, the singular highlight in this video for me was the point of view of 'the brass' on these defensive shooting coverage companies and what they tell their members. Knowing that weeds out future trouble indeed, but from the consumer side, Mas saved me A Lot of digging on that point as you'll likely not find that on the plan literature.
Wow thank you for sharing that pg. 122 point from Duane's book! I actually had the book right next my couch here and went there right away and he does say to give a short statement!
I will not talk to the police. Many like myself pay for self-defense insurance. The insurance companies provide guidelines for the course of action if you are involved in a defensive situation. It's best if you follow their recommendations. Giving a statement goes against their advice. If you give a "brief" statement to police you may not be arrested that moment, but you may be arrested at a later date. The investigation don't end if you make a statement. It may go on for many weeks. Every state is different! Many states will bring your case to a Grand Jury. That's where the decision will be made if you will be prosecuted or not! It's not up to the police! I would rather sit in jail for a short time and speak with my attorney before making any statement! The police and state are NOT on your side!
Mr. Ayoob, please go into detail about putting your hand on your gun, displaying it at low ready, pointing but not firing. Actions that one might take in a dangerous situation short of pulling the trigger.
Yes. I want this. With overeager DAs, letting your gun be seen is brandishing. How can you inform a potential perp they should move along without being charged?
@@dagneytaggart7707 Not answering on Massad behalf but it depends on the situation to say if your brandishing or having it in a ready position because of the reasonable threat you perceived.
On dealing with a drunken fool who wanted to start a fight, an ex-con I knew told him "Please don't make me go back to jail. I don't want to go back there for another 32 months. Please just leave me alone." Seeing that this guy was sincere and unflinching the drunk thought about it for a few moments then walked off grumbling.
@@dagneytaggart7707 In SC merely letting your firearm be seen in any identifiable part is illegal. I know someone who got nailed for setting a rifle next to the door inside of his house because in doing that he was visible to the troublemaker who was at the street yelling at him. Know your laws.
I faced a domestic violence charge with an intoxicated ex. The cops at my door wanted to rough me up. I saw it in their eyes..Had I not told my side of the story, initially not believed, They would have cuffed me right then. However, a Sheriff cadet was jogging by at 3 am and saw that she fell out of a car with liquor bottles falling out. She face planted and he came by, told me to dial 911. Our stories matched and I was saved from big trouble. Thanks dude, whoever you are in the Martinez Sheriff Dept.
In other words, what you said meant jack shit, and you almost went to jail on a DV charge that would have robbed you of your right to keep and bear arms because you felt you had to defend your good name, instead of force them to follow the law. (Instead of criminally assault you as you say they seemed to want)
@@morgan3688100%.. ANYTHING YOU SAY CAN AND WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU! ANYTHING YOU SAY.. Not maybe used for you. AGAINST YOU. Anything you say.
So she got drunk, you beat her, and what ..?
yep. lose my contractors license. single parent 15 years ago. It would have been a mess.@@morgan3688
This post made absolutely no sense.
As someone who’s been in a shooting. Don’t talk to the police. They are not there to help you.
Agreed. At most, maybe a general statement of self defense, stand your ground... but never go into details.
They there to convict you and take your rights and guns away
A statement, even a brief one, after something as traumatic as a self-defense shooting is bound to have errors. The best thing is to only give a statement after the shock and adrenaline has worn off and only with a lawyer present. Never give a statement right after shooting.
Say Little Approach:
911 call: name, location, “I was attacked”, “I was in fear for my/their life”, “I had to defend myself/them”, request police and ambulance.
Responding officers: Same as above, adding: identification of any exculpatory witnesses/evidence, request medical attention for yourself, “I assert/invoke my right to silence and an attorney.”
Investigators: Say nothing. Assert your rights to silence/attorney.
I would reconsider using the phrase "I was in fear for my life" check out a video that the Armed Attorney's did about using that phrase. I think it's in one of their speaking with the police videos.
In my very first carry class years ago, the state police detective said something similar with a bit of a variance. "There's been a shooting" not "I shot someone, I was afraid, etc". The dispatcher is trained to try to get you to say things on the recorded line that will be used against you - don't play into it. When police arrive, "I'd love to cooperate with your investigation and make a statement however first I'd like to consult with an attorney" FULL STOP.
@@rrtnps I was going to mention that phrase thinking to police it will make the same impression as "I cant breath" repeated at ever increasing volume or "I didnt do anything" .
Your 911 call approach already has a huge flaw. It cements your legal theory. If your defense decides a different legal theory would have been better to argue in court than the one sentence one you gave the police, it's too late, unless you want prosecution to ask why your reason changed.
Better: Get someone to call the police for you, and if you have to call them, keep it vague. "There's been a shooting. Send help. Here's the address. Goodbye."
@@britainreynolds7365 agreed 100% don't say anything other than reporting the shooting
The thing that makes this topic so harrowing is that there are lifelong consequences for each action. Defend yourself, say the wrong thing, and prison may be your new home. Do nothing, and you or your family member might be buried. Then add in the anti gun prosecuters and DAs, and it only makes this minefield more deadly. Thank you for these videos, I bought the book you suggested. I pray I never have to use my gun. I also realize that carrying a CCW is not something you just do. There's so much more. Where are you, what's behind you, who's behind your line of fire...
I agree with what you said, but one point sticks out- "...anti-gun prosecutors and DAs..." That's why I live in a Red state, where my home is my castle, and it is a God-given right to defend myself, my family, and my possessions. That should be taken into consideration, too. Living in a gun-hating blue state will get an innocent homeowner jailed waaaaay before the criminal breaking into his house. Peace!
@NegativeROG I live in a state that goes both ways, red and blue. We have the castle doctrine, too. Just be mindful that criminal court is one thing, and civil court is another. One can still be sued via civil court wise, and that can be VERY costly as well.
@@NegativeROG I mostly agree with your main idea but do you seriously think because you live in a ' Red State" the DA/Police etc are going to pat you on the back, high 5 you and say "Nice shootin, Tex" and just let you split? No, of course not. Sure, your chances might be better of not being tossed in prison, but, it's still their job to find fault and prosecute. I'm guessing there are lots of people in your state that get sent to prison for shootings. Like I said, I agree that you're better off in Texas than Cali. Again, i'm not trying to trash talk you but it's just not a simple situation based on Rep or Demo state or your political leanings. God, let's both hope neither of us has to use the guns for anything other than hunting or training!
Let's not forget that even if you do get found not guilty that you're looking at thousands to tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees.
NO Y-T "Read more" . Where's the end of your comment ?
Always drop in for Massad he is the best they got for the videos
Not on this one lol
Except when it comes to making your case immensely harder to win in court, apparently
@@LuisOrtiz-uj2veopinions vary and every situation is different and can play out several ways. Just know if you could have walked away from a scenario they will expose it. If you’re truly justified then you really won’t have to explain that there was no other choice. Don’t point it if you aren’t willing to destroy it because if and when it happens everything has already gone wrong. I understand why you are thinking what you are but not everything is always cut and dry. And in a liberal state you better be in the right.
@@LuisOrtiz-uj2ve "I was attacked (or my friend or neighbor was attacked) and *I was in fear for my (their) life* , and acted as necessary to defend my (their) life . This person attacked in THIS way for THIS reason . Here is evidence and the weapon used (SECURE WEAPONS from being "removed" from the scene) , there are the witnesses . I will FULLY cooperate , and I know you're only doing your job , but I will only say further with my attorney present . I now need an ambulance to go to the hospital . "
_YOU_ *MUST* call 911 YOURSELF and MUST request POLICE _AND_ AN AMBULANCE for both YOURSELF _AND_ anyone who may have _sadly_ SURVIVED the shooting , and for ANY VICTIMS of the malicious shooter .
But GET *LEGAL ADVICE _AHEAD OF TIME_ . I have USCCA . Consider GOOD advice . Massad Ayoob is considered one of the BEST . Act with PRUDENCE and wisdom , prepare ahead of time if you decide to carry or use .
*DO **_NOT_** RELY* on You Tube OR YOU TUBE *COMENTERS*
for ANYTHING _you_ decide to *DO* .
@@VeritasAequitas617 - "I was attacked (or my friend or neighbor was attacked) and *I was in fear for my (their) life* , and acted as necessary to defend my (their) life . This person attacked in THIS way for THIS reason . Here is evidence and the weapon used (SECURE WEAPONS from being "removed" from the scene) , there are the witnesses . I will FULLY cooperate , and I know you're only doing your job , but I will only say further with my attorney present . I now need an ambulance to go to the hospital . "
_YOU_ *MUST* call 911 YOURSELF and MUST request POLICE _AND_ AN AMBULANCE for both YOURSELF _AND_ anyone who may have _sadly_ SURVIVED the shooting , and for ANY VICTIMS of the malicious shooter .
But GET *LEGAL ADVICE _AHEAD OF TIME_ . I have USCCA . Consider GOOD advice . Massad Ayoob is considered one of the BEST . Act with PRUDENCE and wisdom , prepare ahead of time if you decide to carry or use .
*DO **_NOT_** RELY* on You Tube OR YOU TUBE *COMENTERS*
for ANYTHING _you_ decide to *DO* .
Thanks for your videos! Always sound reasoning and advice.
Never talk to the police for any reason ever.
Cop: "Hey how are you?" You: "I'm, not talking to the police I want a lawyer!"
Yes sir, agree. I'm both a USCCA and NRA member and yes on the rear of my USCCA membership card it states the brief statement as follows...
Comply: Follow all police instructions
Explain: " I was attacked, feared for my life and had to defend myself".
Identify: Point out evidence witnesses and attacker.
Medical: Is request medical attention, if necessary.
Silence: " I will cooperate 100%, but first I need my attorney".
(Do not talk further without your lawyer present.)
Excellent! Thanks Mas for sharing your knowlege and wisdom. Its priceless.👍
Problem is, most people will have a hard time composing such a brief statement well, and then resisting police pressure to continue interrogation.
The best thing is to have *you're attorney* make a brief statement.
I find it very hard to believe that your example case was represented by counsel, because an attorney would have already developed a narrative a spoken with investigators long before court
Massad is very passionate about law abiding citizens and keeping them informed.
Interesting how MA brought up the Armed Attys who are on IG too 🤳🏼. I've watched their video content now for around 12mo. More ccw users & armed officers: security, LE, corrections need to understand case law 📂 legal use of force events.
Yea, he's a good cop. But he's also an advocate for the cops, and there are way more crooks among cops than he lets on. Your lawyer is your advocate. That nice detective who acts like your friend is not your advocate. Their job is important. In my view, waiving your rights does not generally help them.
I had a self defense shooting. I remembered Mr Ayoob's advice. The man that I had to shoot passed away, I didn't go to jail.
Just wanted to say thank you for the experience and advice on this channel.
How much did your legal fees cost
@@jason200912 Nothing.
There was no trial.
I do carry FLP, and got a lawyer at no cost.
But the police took my case to the District Attorney as a self defense shooting.
The District Attorney reviewed the evidence and the case, and no charges were filed.
Without getting into too much detail, I should state the man was caught on camera threatening me with a weapon, and advancing on me.
So, it was fairly open and shut.
I did not know about the camera evidence until after the district attorney declined charges.
I love the way Mr. Ayoob presents his videos. He is very thoughtful in his presentations. As a first time gun owner at 63y.o., any insights he has that might apply to me now or in the future, I will take to heart. So thank you Mr. Ayoob, you have just gained another subscriber.
I love following Massad.
Most of us on here are experienced shooters and practice both self defense and home defense situations on a regular basis. However it is information like this that can be critical to not having to be removed from your family that you had just protected.
This is pure gold...please pay attention.
Yeah - I've been shooting for 45 years now, but sometimes I watch his videos and feel like I've never even saw a gun before.
Being arrested is FAR from the worst case. Going to prison for decades is. That's what ACTUAL defense attorneys are trying to avoid. They don't care if you get arrested (at least at a high level) - they want to keep you out of prison. That should be your goal too. You don't know at the time if others will view this as a good shoot.
Thanks Massad. Always interesting and your message is heard.
Thank you, Massad. I appreciate the balanced advise.
I am so thank full for Mr. Ayoob's teaching. God Bless you Sir and your family.
Always the best. Clear and concise.
Very powerful content. Thanks!
As always your advise is spot on based on “experience “.
Thank you for all you do! I share many of your videos on my humble Facebook group. I am currently in a battle with Facebook over “ community standards “. I will keep posting Xcellent information such as this.
Thanks again for all you do!
Tom
Before I received my conceal carry permit over 30 years ago, I purchased and read the guide recommended by the Sheriff's Office "A Consolidated Guide To Firearms Laws & Licensing". It was a must-read at the time.
Massad's 2nd Edition "Deadly Force" was so far beyond that old guide that I would go as far as to say that anyone carrying without knowing the concepts in that book should not be doing so.
This video touches on Chapter 14, "After the Shooting". But there is so much more mental preparedness needed that everyone needs throughout those pages.
It can’t be easy to boil down such a complex subject into something that the average citizen can absorb. Thank you, Massad!
It’s very important that after your “brief statement” that you state, out loud, that you wish to speak to your attorney, AND you wish to remain silent. Some police CAN take complete silence (not asserting your right to remain silent) as an admission of guilt. Make certain you say, “I assert my right to remain silent until I consult my attorney.”
Remember what Rittenhouse trial Judge Bruce Schroeder told District Attorney Binger after Binger mentioned during the trial that Rittenhouse chose to remain silent? It doesn't matter what the police think in this circumstance. They're not the lawyers, judge, or jury. Your premise is incorrect.
Wrong. Supreme Court ruled that if you answered any questions. Then stop. That can be considered admission of guilt.
Yeah it’s called the 5th Amendment loophole. Silence can mean guilt unless you expressly say you are exercising your right to remain silent until your attorney is present.
"Some police CAN take complete silence (not asserting your right to remain silent) as an admission of guilt."
Please provide a source.
I have been following you for several decades, in your articles and videos.
Thank you for so many years of enjoyable information.
You are my "most trusted" gun guy.
Love Critical Mass! Excellent advice.
Thank you for your wise words, Mas.
I follow the Armed Attorneys channel. The things you learn from them is gold.
Are they willing to be your self defense attorney? AOR is. They say "just shut up"
@@zachansen8293
Daniel Perry was convicted of murdering Garrett Foster here in Austin was because he gave statements that changed. Tom Grieve podcast spoke about why this happens, and I believe that this channel spoke about it. There is a very fine line between cooperating with law enforcement after a use of deadly force, and saying too much. The defense attorney for Mr. Perry spoke about the case after the verdict, and had several issues with the jurors on the case. Ultimately, the judge felt that the issues could be addressed by his jury instructions.
@@ThomasHarrison-u8l Definitely a fine line. If you choose to carry a weapon, you have a responsibility to think in advance about that line. Not cool to see people stressed out, traumatized and then say something bad cops or the prosecutor will twist around.
I am so happy my Lawyer is my neighbor.
Give us his number and name
We need a workshop on what a brief statement sounds like, and perhaps some practice writing exercises and role playing with various personality types typically seen in the field of law enforcement. Thank you.
Massad .., I respect what you say so much . That I re watch your early videos and still find them interesting , because each time I do... I learn something I missed.
"911, what's your emergency"
Caller: "We had an intruder break-in, shots were fired and the suspect is down. Please send emergency services right away."
No admission of guilt involved but gives an outline of what occurred.
Bad advice. NEVER talk to police.
Another beautifully written and spoken video. The world needs you.
Always worth listening to Massad Ayoob. The man is nothing short of a national treasure.
When actual defense lawyers say that he's wrong, then you have to be careful what you're listening to.
@@zachansen8293 I would bet money that Massad has been involved in far many shooting cases in court than probably any lawyer in the world. I've seen some online videos from actual lawyers, lawyers who claim to be Constitutional attorneys and 2nd Amendment attorneys who are absolute idiots and who clearly have almost no understanding of the Constitution, its history, the history of cases, and the 2nd Amendment. Additionally, but separately from that, consider also that The Brady organization, and Everytown, etc., are all staffed with lawyers who literally are experienced 2nd Amendment attorneys. Being a Constitutional or 2nd Amendment attorney does not, by itself, say a thing about the motivation or experience of a person. There's no certification standard for being either. There are laws that limit who can say they are attorneys but there are none about who can add the Constitutional or 2nd Amendment qualification to their being an attorney.
Listen to him but he. is. not. a. lawyer.
I could listen to Massad all day long. Always learning from him
I agree. Thanks for the video.
Thanks again Massad for giving us information that could save our lives and our freedom.
As always a reasoned, well presented, and excellent presentation by Mr. Ayoob.
Thanks Mas!
Brought back memories of a Police shooting in Australia at Hornsby where a female Police officer opened fire on a mental guy who escaped a psych hospital with a knife in a busy mall. Yep bullets fired and 3 innocent people were shot. Police confirmed Sourian (the knife man) did not stab anyone and the three bystanders were shot, who include an 82-year-old woman and 65-year-old woman, are in a stable condition in hospital.Footage from seconds after the shooting shows the female police officer apologising to one of the elderly women who had been shot. Remember this is gun free Australia and this shooting went VERY quiet after the event. The Police have magical powers after these shootings. Joe Public has nil magic powers.
As always Massad, you are the Sage that we need to have access to. I have followed you over the years, starting when I purchased my first box of Black Talons. Thank you for continuing to provide us with rock solid information!
The BEST advice, period.
Thanks, Massad 👍
Mas,
Always great to hear you, sir! As both a combat infantry man in Vietnam, special forces, army ranger involved in more than one shooting in combat. As a certified Peace Officer in the state of Texas, US Army, criminal investigator, a Texas district attorney investigator. I’ve also been involved in more than one LEO shooting. I couldn’t agree more with what you relayed in this video to everyone who cares to listen. I think it would be the rare law enforcement official, who would go to any length to get someone to incriminate themselves in a self-defense shooting I know I never would have and no one I ever worked with would have. We would have gotten what we needed. Made sure they didn’t need any medical or mental health treatment, because, as you well know, the effects of taking another persons life are immense. The brief statement is exactly what needs to be said. After all of my critical incidents after calling for back up, and an ambulance, no matter what an ambulance, the next call, I asked to be made was to the Texas Ranger. And I have the great fortune of having, an outstanding Texas Ranger investigate my shootings in the panhandle of Texas. Thank you very much Mas for what you done to keep all of us out of jail! L O L!
Thank you for your service.
Nice video. Thank you.
I have to agree with the middle ground to say almost nothing. I've seen people walk themselves into jail using their mouths!
That brief statement is just an opening for you and cop to start a verbal sparring match which you will not win. You think the cop won't interrupt that statement with all kind of questions and statements meant to incriminate you? Heck they do that even in simple traffic stops.
@@MrWebster yet you dont have to answer the police questions
@@bigboots6114 In that case say nothing to begin with.
@@MrWebsterits a choice you have because nowadays DA's will go after you
@@MrWebster If that happened I'd just respectfully ask to not be interrupted and if incapable, please have an officer assigned to take my statement that can professionally do so.
Good advice Mas!
Ayoob is still stuck in the 80s. NEVER talk to the police now with recordings and mass politicization of the justice system. Times have changed and our self defense tactics have to as well
So you made an interesting argument. Now just qualify, convince us that you're the expert we should follow on these matters, by telling us just exactly - plus or minus a hundred or two, if you want, how many gun shootings you have been involved with in the courts, either on the stand or behind the scenes as an advisor. Get within even a few hundred of Massad Ayoob and then it might make sense that we get our advice from Mr. Maxwell. *Waiting for your numerical rather than defensive reply*
That’s why after give your brief statement and ask for medical attention, invoke your right to an attorney. You will be too high on adrenaline to think clearly and recall facts clearly. If there’s any slight difference in anything said that body camera picks up and what you say later in the interview, a prosecutor will focus on that and you never know what a jury might think.
@@dalepres1 Ask that same question of Mas?
@@walkingwolf8072 We know his credentials. I've known his work for 40+ years. Who are you?
@@dalepres1Lame appeal to authority. Fallacy in argument. Must be another dirty & lazy cop out for low hanging fruit arrest.
Very well spoken and articulated.
Excellent clarity thank you
Outstanding! Thank you.
When I took my classes at Thunder Ranch - The recommendation was to briefly state that state the situation and that you were in fear for your life and that you had eliminated the threat and that you would cooperate after speaking to your attorney. Then say goodbye to your firearm. Also when the case goes to court the prosecutor will recount that brief statement that you gave. Made a lot of sense to me
An interesting thing as the the two lawyers from the Armed Attorney's channel that Ayoob mentions in this video says _not_ to say you were in fear of your life -- don't use those exact words, at any rate. As they advise, you most certainly _do_ want to convey the information to the detectives investigating the incident that you were in fear of your life, you just don't want to do it with that exact phrase. According to them, it's become such a commonly heard phrase in such incidents, that it now sounds like something memorized and repeated back, and this makes it sound artificial, and therefore likely to arouse at least some suspicion. They advise you to say something else that comes across as more natural, such as "he was gonna kill me!" or "I'm sure he meant to kill me," or "I thought I was about to die!" or something along those lines.
Thank you, sir for teaching common sense. I really enjoy your videos and appreciate everything you do for the community. I stopped watching the video to buy the book and then came back to finish the video. Thank you.
Thank you. 🙏🦅🇺🇸👍😎
This is very informative. I appreciate the idea of a brief statement.
Excellent advice as always!
Thank you sir! I am always willing to listen and take advice from an experienced person who "has been there."
As usual no nonsense solid information. Being "in fear for my and my loved ones lives" stands.
As usual thanks for your insight and expertise.
I love when Mr. Ayoob starts yelling and getting mad. The passion is there. Love it!!!! Thank you for this video. It is something we all should know. Keep up the great work!!
"Duh"🤣🤣 The most serious use of that phrase ever. Love your channel, thanks for the advice.
Thank you for your advice
Very informative Massad. Thanks
Thanks 🎉
Thanks, very good advice, most appreciated. Regards
Thanks Massad.
Excellent advice!
Excellent, as always!
Thank you 😊
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and keep them coming please.
Very wise advice, thank you.
Always great ideas Massad!
great video. Thanks for your advice.
Great Video and advice Mr. Ayoob.
The guy spent weeks in jail untill a hearing and he was dismissed, an office said if he had known this would not have happened. Where was this guys attorney, he should have been out within 24 hours.
Likely didn’t have one and public defenders suck.
@@elix901 Yep they charge a lot money 💰
Weekend, plus one day if it is a holiday. I take anything with a grain of sand from somebody that claimed they killed a snake by missing it. Thunder Ranch did a video proving it to be a lie.
@@waynecastleman1363 My first Attorney was also a friend, and one of the nuggets of wisdom he gave me before passing on to a better place was this: "The jails are full of poor people whose biggest mistake was not paying for a decent Attorney."
IDK, if he couldn't afford one, a public defender should have been assigned to him.
Thanks, Mas. I subscribed to the law of self-defense and will watch Duane's offerings.
Thank you! You are my personal lawyer
Thanks, Mas, good content.
As usual, great pointers from Mas!
Great video, as usual. Thank you, sir!
I've been in a number of confrontations throughout my life. God be praised I descellated the situation.
Would also recommend Deadly Force by Massad Ayoob. Good read, 333 pages, and you get a copy when you join ACLDN
I remember seeing that Prof Duane video. He had some convincing points. As always, Mr. Ayoub has the best practical advice.
Always great advice
Thank you for the update . Your insight and advice from experience is greatly appreciated!
Like many I have been told both sides , ultimately each person needs to decide in advance what course they will follow or you may screw yourself up in a time of crisis.
Thanks
Injoy your and Mt Wilson's no BS posts
Sage advice, thank you for explaining this. I hope I never need to use it but now I'm prepared for the worst.
As Massad Ayoob clearly states: if you carry a loaded gun, you CARRY the lawful accountable & legal obligations. In 2024 there's no "yee haw" f*** the law or the 2A is my carry permit" trash! As Active Self Protection says; you won't be at my gun fight & I won't be at yours!
Retired FTO/PPO, and doing my due diligence, my renewal for Armed Citizens is coming up. While I wasn't planning on jumping ship, I do shop around every year to see what else is new and their assorted angles. Knowing what I do about field investigations, I'm 100% on board with the Brief Statement, or as every training officer will tell you, 'Just The Facts, Jack'.
Point of the matter here, the singular highlight in this video for me was the point of view of 'the brass' on these defensive shooting coverage companies and what they tell their members. Knowing that weeds out future trouble indeed, but from the consumer side, Mas saved me A Lot of digging on that point as you'll likely not find that on the plan literature.
Wow thank you for sharing that pg. 122 point from Duane's book! I actually had the book right next my couch here and went there right away and he does say to give a short statement!
So, in a nutshell, what would be the short statement ? Thank you in advance for your answer.
Great information to have...
Always good content from Massad.
Excellent video!!!
Thanks Mr. Ayoob, pretty much what my CC instructor said.
Drop mic. Very informative. Supported. And with healthy doses of expertise and common sense. Thank you Massad.
I will not talk to the police. Many like myself pay for self-defense insurance. The insurance companies provide guidelines for the course of action if you are involved in a defensive situation. It's best if you follow their recommendations. Giving a statement goes against their advice. If you give a "brief" statement to police you may not be arrested that moment, but you may be arrested at a later date. The investigation don't end if you make a statement. It may go on for many weeks. Every state is different! Many states will bring your case to a Grand Jury. That's where the decision will be made if you will be prosecuted or not! It's not up to the police! I would rather sit in jail for a short time and speak with my attorney before making any statement! The police and state are NOT on your side!
100%
Mr. Ayoob, please go into detail about putting your hand on your gun, displaying it at low ready, pointing but not firing. Actions that one might take in a dangerous situation short of pulling the trigger.
Yes. I want this. With overeager DAs, letting your gun be seen is brandishing. How can you inform a potential perp they should move along without being charged?
The Armed Attorneys covered that pretty well in one of their videos. Check it out, definitely worth a watch.
@@dagneytaggart7707 Not answering on Massad behalf but it depends on the situation to say if your brandishing or having it in a ready position because of the reasonable threat you perceived.
On dealing with a drunken fool who wanted to start a fight, an ex-con I knew told him "Please don't make me go back to jail. I don't want to go back there for another 32 months. Please just leave me alone." Seeing that this guy was sincere and unflinching the drunk thought about it for a few moments then walked off grumbling.
@@dagneytaggart7707 In SC merely letting your firearm be seen in any identifiable part is illegal. I know someone who got nailed for setting a rifle next to the door inside of his house because in doing that he was visible to the troublemaker who was at the street yelling at him. Know your laws.
Thank you, very good info for me ...
Thank You
I absolutely love this guy.
Great Advice, as always.