Why the FIRST Jedi Abandoned the Original Jedi Code (Important) - Star Wars Explained
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This is partially why I love The Force Unleashed and Jedi Academy. Yes Galen is OP as Hell but, he and Jaden both managed to find balance and as result exceeded the potential of their peers. Even Luke used aspects of the dark side, he force choked a Gamorrean in ROTJ.
I have always thought that Grand Master Luke of Legends became A Jedai rather than a Jedi. He used light and dark, he accepted both with in the force and more importantly with in himself. He encouraged his students to do the same. He didn’t try to be unemotional, disconnected because it was this disconnect that Master Mundi and even Yoda held so tightly that eroded and destoryed the Jedi. I believe that the real scism of the Jedai was a slow acting. As they studied and became monks they began to disconnect from emotion and others. This led to an inability to handle emotions, this led to fear, to hatred, to Sith. Jacen Solo was able to go both ways because of his Uncle but lost his way. It is in this that all are wrong. To Balance the force one must balance oneself. There is no ignorance only knowlege, there is fear, there is Love, there is power, there is weakness, all are one, there is no light, there is no darkness, there is the force, there is Balance.
I view the Force not as being light side or dark side, but as a spectrum. I think Luke, in legends continuity, got this right.
Every word you just said is wrong.
In the Book Jedi Outcast in Legends, Luke says :
"There is no gray area Ben,we walk the path of the light or we fall into Darkness"
Im pretty sure that you never read an Eu novel,you should stop watching Yt videos,most videos are biased and not fact.
I personally feel that Qui Gon was the ONLY modern Jedi that had or was close to pure balance in the Force as a person. He refused to listen or follow any bureaucracy and did nothing but follow the Will of the Force, as all Jedi truly should...
Kanan Jarus. Later on in rebels, he literally trained with the Bendu itself to find his balance.
@@myboy732when
Ashoka as well.
I always figured the Jedi code was just poorly worded. I interpret it as;
"Act not with emotion but with peace,
Eliminate ignorance with knowledge,
Immerse not in Passion but in Serenity,
Create not Chaos but Harmony,
And mourn not death, but be made one with the Force."
No,its just people that misinterpret it,every Jedi knows that The Code mustnt be taken too literally
Beautifully said! Definitely how I heard it
@@gigachadstafaibnbased yeah well say that to master Mundi, Windu, and Lumanaria
Well said
I had a similar belief that the Code was poorly worded, and filled the space by adding "When there is" at the beginning of every line. "When there is no Emotion, there is Peace", etc. My intent was to imply that the practitioner must bring the values themself and that when one prioritizes the "right" values, the "wrong" ones have no room to misguide or deceive, but that there is no complete removal of the "wrong" values either.
The last line I replaced entirely: "When death comes, so too does the Force."
I'm glad I saw your comment, I like that I can compare notes with someone else who came to the same conclusion.
"balance lost" would be a dope name for an action documentary style series of how it all started 😊😅
The Living Force is what the Jedi should have served, unbiased from the light or the dark but still in line with Laws of Morality, they should have been constantly reminded of the code, so that none would have ever lost sight of the original way. Without true balance, all will fall into madness and destruction. This is my answer.
The living Force is literally the light side lol, hence the bodies of the Sith decay because of The Dark Side
This is a huge misunderstanding.
The light side is balance. The dark side is inbalance
@@mr.voidroy6869That’s a horrifying thought when passion is considered a dark side thing.
The Bogan in and of itself is not the problem, it is taking it without the proper amount of Ashla. The problem is when they abandoned the Bendu, the middle, proper balance, in either way. Just like a scale, if too much of one side is present, it tips and causes chaos.
George lucas said there is no doing both.
Just as time changes and things evolve I believe the first Jedi did the same. There's always a use for different types of knowledge and ideologies in any given time, however if they didn't evolve and change this would've led to completely different paths and ultimately a different course of how the galaxy would've become. I personally view the first Jedi code to be more of a stronger type of Jedi ideology than the more passive view we get from all the movies.
I believe from this perspective had the Jedi kept this view they would've handled certain threats probably quicker than waiting til they had to interfere, however I think it would depend on any individual said Jedi to be able to be strong enough to not use their power over fear and also think more jedi would be prone to be seduced to the dark side because of this view in their code. While yes they would be stronger users of the force more Jedi wouldn't be strong enough I believe to temper that strength in times of fear to be able to not succumb to the dark. "There is no fear, there is power..." this one line in the original code would be that tightrope balance for those jedi not mentally strong enough.
I would love to see this original code be implemented in a vision of some sort later on where we get a holocron viewing from Luke or some shit where it showed of a time if the Jedi kept their original stance how different the galaxy would've been shaped with this view and influence. Would be neat. Fantastic video!! 🙌
What do you guys think?!
Yeah, I would love to see it too.
If I understand it right, because original Jedi started to interfere with Galaxy too much and get into conflicts etc., they have more chances to experience fear. These who couldn't control their fear easier fallen from balance and become pure dark side users. So they modified their code to be more light focused to deal with this problem. Again, they acted in fear of darkness (which was against code). Basically they failed overcome fear and because of it they fallen into dark or light. They abandoned balance for harmony (or chaos in case of dark side users).
Great breakdown. I think the modern code is misunderstood. Fro example: it’s not saying “no emotion, only peace”; it’s saying if you can REGULATE your emotions (NOT repress them), then you will find peace.
I think as the Jedi grew in the high republic the true messages were lost.
Great breakdown. Qui Gon was a legend.
This is exactly why I will always lean towards the concept of being a grey jedi sentinel and a bendu je'daii for they were wayless rigid than the counselor and guardian orders of the jedi and the same can be said about the grey Paladin order; plus the grey jedi code and the je'daii code are way better than the jedi and sith codes because they offers true balance!💯😁😉👍
The problem with the ancient Jed'I code is it requires an unshakable mental fortitude and deep resonance with the living force to adhere to without falling to the dark side.
No. That’s not the problem. We have long had disciplines and religious philosophies built on that concept. The problem is power without checks and balances. They have power, the overwhelming majority of others do not. You start to believe that since you have it and others do not, that you are more deserving than others. That you should be able to make the rules. That everything should adapt and yield to you and your desires. That you should be treated as kings and gods. And that mindset led to the second schism.without some kind of code or system or buddy to keep you from acting out of impulse or selfishness and without the possibility of repercussions, it eventually becomes easier and easier to give into our darker nature or make a big mess of things or turn a blind eye to it.
I hate to borrow this quote but; “with great power, comes great responsibility.”
Stupendous clearly loves the beginning of the beginning of all the beginnings and beginning of the jedi
The force will never be balanced as long as there are Sith and Jedi. Neither side is balanced.
I get the feeling that the original Jedi were wrong to abandon their original code. They should've tried to keep it.
Or at least preserved it to return to it when whatever crisis was at hand was over.
@@taitano12---that too
No one cares about your feelings tho
I agree and in the prequels the Jedi are hypocrites and I wish they were much better characters
I agree, at the very least they should have taught the history of the old jedi. Even if they chose to follow only the light. It is never wise to forget you past.
Rules are meant to be broken. I only have guidelines. I have aspirations. I have behaviors, some of which, that I'd never like to act on. But, I have no rules.
Personally I do believe the Jedi order was wrong to abandon the ancient Jedaii order code, and the way they use to strive for balance in the Force. The Jedaii order lasted for many thousands of years without conflict. The Jedi order could barely go a few hundred years without getting involved in a war (either with themselves, the Sith, or on behalf of the Republic). It took the outside interference of the Rekkata Empire attacking the Jedaii order that eventually lead to their downfall. The Jedi being out of balance with the Force and their dogmatic narrow views lead to their downfall.
Am beyond excited to see dawn of the Jedi movie
Disney will ruin it
Balance is the only way both the Sith and Jedi are wrong as they have taken things to an extreme.
Your very last point is so bang on it not only explains the split in the Jedi, it also describes America in literal terms as well. Now that is irony.
Looking back on the history how Infinite Empire was formed I will say that Original Jedi Code was flawed. The Kwa species that have been really similar to the ancient Jedi thought Rakata the way of the force were they had underestimated the dangers of their Dark Side nature like savagery, or cannibalistic tendencies.
The Kwa very much behaved like Light Siders and not the Jedaii lol
Some sith stories now. And also some Luke Skywalker stories about what he did after return of the Jedi. There is so much material they can use
I would says yes, the Jedi (and by extension the Sith) are wrong. Balance and harmony between the Light and Dark sides is key, which is a lesson Typhon itself teaches and heavily incentivizes. Not to mention the universe at larges seems to push that as well with whenever a side is dominate in the galaxy it will start pushing the other side to counter. Plus best case scenario you're cutting your own potential in half by strictly adhering to only one side.
Revan, Mace windu, Yoda,to me was balanced near perfect prime like Jedi
You forgot Luke.
If I understand it right, because original Jedi started to interfere with Galaxy too much and get into conflicts etc., they have more chances to experience fear. These who couldn't control their fear easier fallen from balance and become pure dark side users. So they modified their code to be more light focused to deal with this problem. Again, they acted in fear of darkness (which was against code). Basically they failed overcome fear and because of it they fallen into dark or light. They abandoned balance for harmony (or chaos in case of dark side users).
This could be origin of that whole Fear leads to.. .. Darkness. It's part of original code that survived as warning against fear at its connection with dark side.
The nature of Ashla and Bogan is not one of Light and Dark, but of Fire and Water. The fire of the volcano meets the water of the sea to create new lands. Similarly, Ashla and Bogan come together to achieve things neither could accomplish on their own.
good point and it show the natural dark and light in nature.
As far as I'm concerned extremism to either side is failure.
The modern code of the Jedi can breed a cold-heart, the modern code of the Sith will see one lost to wild passions.
It's only when you acknowledge both Light and Dark that you can truly live.
In a land of eternal calm Light you have a desert.
In a land of eternal Dark storms you have a churning ocean.
Both are hostile to Life and will keep it from finding it's footing. It's only when we step into the shade, with Light and Dark, do we live.
I think it’s easy to lean to one side or the other but balance is in truth the most correct the most righteous. Too much darkness leads to chaos but too much light strangles life and renders it immobile. All forces are equally important and it is only in balance that you will discover the maximum potential.
I think both codes are good. Bogan and Ashla-used in balance. There is no fear,there is power. I agree. Never mind fear,use the Force to gain knowledge. First code is no problem. Like you said, I agree. Extremes are not good. Jedi were wrong. They should use both in they could. I especially like the part "I am the revealing power of light. I am the mystery of the darkness". May the Force be with you too
the modern Jedi code show it fear of negative emotion. prequel Jedi suppress their negative emotions instead of dealing with them. they where not in balance with them selves.
Well balance is important. I guess Sith are just necessary evils that require to exist. But, this questions whether or not the Jedi Knights are ethically superior.
Love the videos but can you put your sources in the description? Like the specific comics so I can read them.
Most of this seems to be from the dawn of the Jedi comics.
@@JG-il3gp thanks
I feel like any religious order once it gets to a certain size people start having a difference of opinion, and with something like the force oh yeah you're going to get some strong opinions and therefore we ended up with the two most strongest, the light and the dark.
This is what the next star wars movie should be based on, not the God awful crap they did with Rey.
Change is inevitable. To rescind the original code is natural and would've happened regardless of the first schism
The area that I would like to see explored is between 24,000 bby to 7,000 bby.
I prefer the original code as it is all about balance. With the old code, what would have become of Annakin? Would there have ever been a Darth Vader? Things to meditate on…..
Amazing
Nice
Hey, cab you make a video of why obiwah lost to maul in clone wars season 5 arc
I wonder if the Bendu character from Star Wars Rebels was actually once and perhaps even the last member of the ancient Je'daii Order..? (Also, I'm kind of wondering how a conversation between him and Yoda would go..?)
Doubtful, more then likely is from a group (or independent from any group) whom simply listened and followed the force and learned the same or similar things that the Je'daii did. Universal truths can be discovered by anyone capable of discovering them.
Balance is more important then anything and yes the Jedi where wrong, Yoda was wrong, Palpatine was wrong true balance is about living with both light and dark because one cannot exist without the other.
LOL, so what you are saying is that the ORIGINAL Jedai Code is basically to be "Keepers of the Balance"??? That is amazing, since the 1980's, whenever I have played a game and I have created a GUILD, it was always called Keepers of the Balance, so I was 20+ years ahead of you!
If I was writing Star wars this what you do with things that Anakin would restore
King plagues coming lord Vader father coming he behind everything not palpatine
In certain instances they were wrong
Balance ⚖️ is always the true path of the force
Balance👍
The real jedi code :
There is no humility , there is arrogance.
There is no loyalty , there is betrayal .
There is no unity , there is allowing your order to die while you hide .
There is no compassion , there is bullying a 9 year old slave boy .
There is no justice , there is the jedi council.
The film you talking about is going to be "Disney Star Wars" not "Star Wars", two completly different things.
There should have been a high council to keep the Jedi in check. Keep them practicing the balance and persuade the great of the dark side from corrupting them. If they would have kept that balance who knows what the Jedi or Sith would have become.
Read the sith code it explains why
Day 95 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon
how did the first jedi abandon the jedi code when they created the jedi code it was later jedi who changed the jedi code.
I always hated the idea that you had to be completely good to be a Jedi and completely bad to be a Sith. The force doesn’t care about the Jedi or the Sith, it just exists as is. I think the brother and sister both demonstrated that fairly well. Just because you use the dark side doesn’t mean you are innately evil, the same goes for how using the light side doesn’t make you innately benevolent. It’s not really clear cut in my opinion, there is no true black and white when it comes to it.
The force is Spock , Spock is the force
live long and prosper
Haven’t seen a video in ages
I'm first and really enjoy your channel. I bought merch from you that wasn't in US sizes. Not happy with it.
Sounds like your fault, given there are so many ways on that site to make sure you get the right size... 🤷♂🤷♂
GEE-Diie not JeD ii
I just want to say the Star Wars UA-cam videos are better than the movies
Ok. I didn't get the part that was the original code...
I honestly believe that Ki Adi Mundi used the Jedi code as an excuse to be a narcissistic asshole.
How the hell are they going to bring Rey back into this?
That's an entirely different movie, bro.
@@thomasbohannan2699 Oh good maybe this one won't suck then
Obiwan
I don’t think that they were wrong in any era. It’s just that from time to time, the leadership became too dogmatic, restrictive. And after the 2nd schism, intolerant and than ironically at times absolutist. Getting caught up in politics and war didn’t help either.
I mean I know that after the 2nd schism they weren’t just trying to stop darksiders,, but Sith who are of a mind that, to borrow a quote, see “chaos is a ladder” willing to burn it all down so long as they could be king of the ashes. But it’s that unyielding intolerance, that close minded attitude that sort of creates an imbalance.
It's Chaos is a Ladder
@@DLR1997 Thanks.
@@eds1942 You are welcome
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is that jedi Jesus ? 0:38
The head Jedi was KK.
The complexity of the legends/lore cannot be ignored, no matter what Disney wants. The past has been written, and will no doubt be redefined and changed to better suit some beancounter...
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Why don't you ask people to "Force Push those Like and Subscribe Buttons" instead of "Force Crush"? I think "Force Push" sounds better and it is also a clever play on words.
because force crush is the strongest force attack in Knights of the old Republic 2
@@vulturez5913 Yeah, but you push a button.
@@raeltarantino this does not matter. It's to honor the best Star Wars Game and Best RPG ever.
@@vulturez5913 KOTOR2 and Jedi Outcast are tied for me, but I still like Force Push.
A true Jedi surrenders to the light side of the Force, not to a code.
The force is meant to be balanced if full light side was truly the way, they would not need weapons at all. But they do cause they understand evil can't be turned by words alone
I'm just concerned Disney will screw this up horribly.
I think in this the Star Wars Universe, balance was always key. Not so much in real life, because there are always absolutes in life. Even how our morality is formed based on "the light side" more so justice than vengence. In real life, we look down upon acts of evil as it is morally wrong.
You haven't read nearly enough history if you genuinely think there's such a thing as absolute good or evil in real life - there very rarely is.
@@Thuazabi isnt murder (killing someone unlawfuly) an absolutely evil/bad thing to do? Is robbing someone not absolutely evil? i mean our basic common sense of what is good and bad are absolute, no? Isnt the mere words "good and evil" absolute? what are not absolutes? It's only recently that people are trying to tell us that nothing is absolute. Like Biological sex is absolutely male and female. and then gender is whatever society/individual dictates. And these are not rare from where I read history.
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I enjoy your content and general presentation.
But people know how the subscribe button works. You don't have to have to drone on about it. That is why I unsubscribed, but still listen. And why I never subscribed to my favorite WH40K channel.
Anything more than "if you enjoy this kind of video, please force crush the subscribe button." At the end of the video is redundant and annoying.
That's my only constructive criticism....
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The first Jedi abandoned the force when she (kk will see to it) saw a prophecy of The Last Jedi and how bad it was going to be.
The robotic, staccato narration makes this almost unlistenable
Hmm, the old jedi code seems to follow the Buddhist philosophy
George Lucas himself referred to himself as a Buddhist Christian, so no surprising his works reflect that
Disney will ruin the first jedi and turn them into none binary LGBT+++ trans cracking silly jokes every 10 seconds dawn of the jedi was a great comics
common disney L
You guys seem to act like george lucas isnt from marin. There is a statue of yoda and indiana jones in san anselmo for a reason. Dont blame disney for what would have likely been something he would have decided to add over time anyway...
I bet the main character is a black asian ghey with boobs and dck. And s/he will leave the order because he fell in love with an alien with tentacle mouth or something.
Oh and all actual male characters will be so weak and the female and tr4ns is stronger than male.
This is nice....but it's not Canon.😅
To KK not to us fans.