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I would love very much to see a film - even an animated one - about a Gray Jedi who occasionally must wrestle with the dark side of their personality. Such an inner struggle would create a lot of tension as he or she goes about their duties. Luke Skywalker could never be a Gray Jedi, but Rey most certainly could with her Palpatine bloodline and that would make for an interesting story.
You have an incredibly narrow view of what the Jedi are. Your knowledge is very basic and lacking the details. The way you explained it is like saying a cat purrs when content or happy and hisses when spooked. You haven't said why, what events lead to their way of thinking. Though like most fans I'm guessing you are huge fan of the very evil Sith and don't care about the details.
You do know that prior to the Mandalorian wars and after Luke brought the jedi back in legends the Jedi were perfectly ok with having multiple padawans being trained by one master and jedi having kids and marrying right?
@@taliesinhalliday that is true, and honestly one of the more unexplored areas of star wars lore with little depicted outside of The old republic MMO (probably because people are more interested in bashing the jedi then to develop the sith) but more often than not the sith are more interested in duplicity and advancing one's power base than in say...fighting famine.
A post about someone being against absolutes while at the same time stating an absolute while people complain about the absolute while at the same time their own claim being an absolute while another commenter talks about the previous people stating absolutes while stating absolutes.
A Grey Jedi is just a force user that doesn't have the emotional maturity of a five year old that either cuts off all emotion or lets their emotions consume them
@@andromedagalaxynebula5751 right, but most dark side users are fueled by strong emotion. Jedi try to get rid of their emotions. Grey Jedi likely recognize their emotions and move on, like a mature person would
bradford I don’t think GJ keep a balance all the time, I’m pretty sure in order to use both sides you’d need to use the light side internally for most of the time and only tap into the dark when it’s like actually needed. Also edit, that’s very possible. the Je’daii order which lasted for 10k years mind you, would kick out anyone who was leaning towards the light or dark and exile them to a moon.
bradford yeah I’d def acknowledge that the concept put into practice is risky to turn to either side, but it’s really excessive use of the dark side that corrupts you. And it’d also be very hard to achieve yes. You could still get help of GJ were in an order setting. Also Emotion does keep you on the light side, several people on the light side would remain there while having attachments to people and things. Anakin for example had a bunch of attachments and he was still on the light side until he was manipulated by Palps so I don’t get what you’re saying
The first mistake the Jedi order made was pledging loyalty to the Republic. Why would any order hoping to bring peace to the entire galaxy pledge loyalty to only part of it? We've seen how this decision screwed over so many people. During the Clone Wars, the Jedi were forbidden from helping those in need simply because the Separatists weren't involved. The Jedi became the slaves of the Republic. Luke Skywalker fixed this after The Galactic Federation turned on him. The second mistake was creating a code that forbade emotion and attachments. This decision was made to prevent Jedi falling to the dark side, but repressing emotions and strict rules actually caused more to fall to the dark side. Count Dooku and Anakin Skywalker are two examples of how the code was actually it's own enemy. Yet again, Luke fixed this after he created the New Jedi Order. Allowing Jedi to marry and allowing the dark side to be studied.
WALN Zell yeah The Jedi weren’t bad, but there ideals were massively flawed as repressing emotional always fails in the end, and emotions are not capable of getting rid of so it is basically a ticking bomb waiting to blow
I guess Anakin really did bring balance to the Force - by wipping out the Jedi Order, he made a clean slate for a new generation of Jedi, who would learn from past mistakes, and he also killed Palpatine, thus ending the domain of the Sith.
Given episode 9 with the original director toyed with the grey jedi idea along with other great concepts like Mortis the force planet coming back, Finn inspiring Stormtroopers, Kylo staying evil, learning about Plaguis's Master, and Luke messing with Kylo, it would have been a still flawed but much better movie.
@@mrcoryman1 the funny thing is I never knew the prequels were hated.sure I thought they were cheesy as hell and easy to make fun of but aside from jar jar and Hayden christianson I love the prequels.
I love her character, but as far as I've seen she's no Grey Jedi. A Grey Jedi is one that embraces all sides of the force, and we've not seen any dark side from her...yet
For quick reference: *THE JEDI CODE* There is no emotion, there is Peace. There is no ignorance, there is Knowledge. There is no passion, there is Serenity. There is no chaos, there is Harmony. There is no death, there is the Force. *THE SITH CODE* Peace is a lie, there is only Passion. Through passion, I gain Strength. Through strength, I gain Power. Through power, I gain Victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. *THE GREY JEDI CODE* Flowing through all, there is Balance. There is no peace without a Passion to create. There is no passion without Peace to guide. Knowledge stagnates without the Strength to act. Power blinds without the Serenity to see. There is freedom in Life. There is purpose in Death. The Force is all things And I am the Force. *THE JE'DAII OATH* There is no ignorance; there is Knowledge. There is no fear; there is Power. I am the heart of the Force. I am the revealing fire of Light. I am the mystery of Darkness, In balance with Chaos and Harmony, Immortal in the Force.
Here's more of the greys... There must be both dark and light. I will do what I must to keep the balance, as the balance is what holds all life. There is no good without evil, but evil must not be allowed to flourish. There is passion, yet peace; serenity, yet emotion; chaos, yet order. I am a wielder of the flame; a champion of balance. I am a guardian of life. I am a Gray Jedi. There is no emotion, there is peace.There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.There is no passion, there is serenity.There is no chaos, there is harmony.There is no death, there is the Force. Emotion, yet peace.Ignorance, yet knowledge.Passion, yet serenity.Chaos, yet harmony.Death, yet the Force.
I am the watcher on the walls. I am the fire that burns against the cold, the light that brings the dawn, the horn that wakes the sleepers, the shield that guards the realms of men. I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all the nights to come.
Indeed. Not expressing any emotion and/or passion like the Jedi is extremely unhealthy, while letting your emotions consume you like the Sith is also unhealthy. Expressing your emotions in a controlled manner is the way of the Chad.
Except that Georges Lucas himself said in an interview (back in 2010, I believe) that the only way to bring balance in the Force is to be purely Light. The very existence of the Dark side mess with the balance of the force. But everyone forgot since Disney decided to change that.
@@memecliparchives2254 The point is; Grey Jedi supposedly detest their Jedi counterparts' tendency toward adhering to dogma, and yet they've got their own dogma to follow. "Accepting" that they do makes no difference here. Most "Grey Jedi" in this franchise are hypocritical. ^ At best, *_neither_* the Jedi Council nor any Grey Jedi truly follow the Light Side. The separate dogmas they obey ironically go against what the Light Side's supposed to be about.
There is no light without the Dark Through passion, I gain Focus Through Knowledge, I gain Power Through Serenity, I gain Strength Through Victory I gain Harmony There is Only the Force -Grey Jedi Code Another Grey Jedi Code
My issue with Grey Jedi is that they will inevitably become the new "good guys" while relegating the Jedi as alternate "bad guys". It frees a whole class of potential characters of the complications of choosing a moral side. In the end, while I like the idea, becoming a Grey Jedi should be a destination, not a starting point. No movie or video game should start with a protagonist being a Grey Jedi, unless of course the moral of the story is that choosing a side is what moves the story forward to resolution.
Very well said and I completely agree with you. The gray jedi is such a cool and interesting subject I think and I'd love to see a movie or game or book or whatever really that tell stories and follow those who WE or other star wars characters might classify as gray jedi.. But if they were to decide to make "the gray jedi" a thing, a side that one were able to choose to align with.. It almost goes against the gray jedi in a fundamental way and would 100% ruin what makes them so cool. The ones that we consider as gray jedi come from a place of following either the way of the sith or the way of the jedi, sometimes even both! For whatever reason(s) though they have severed ties with them only after they experience great personal growth, reflection, and just a general knowledge of the world and life and where their morals align. They have decided that maybe they agree with the jedi on some things but maybe not others.. They embrace the dark side from a perspective of the fact that it's nothing that should scare you as long as you know where you stand and know you are what you perceive as good why should another side of the force have any effect on you negative or otherwise? They don't let the ways of the jedi or the ways of the sith dictate how they think in every single facet of their own personal journey of life. They refuse to pick and align themselves with either side because they are free thinking and do what they think is right in all situations instead of what you are told to think is right by the faction that you align with. Only siths deal in absolutes and they aren't willing to say just because I agree with you here I will absolutely agree with everything you say. They know who they are and won't let anyone tell them they are bad because they may do some things that are considered "dark force" and they won't let anyone tell them that they are not good just because they don't agree with the jedi when it comes to every single thing. If aligning yourself as a gray jedi were to become a thing it would take away from the fact that you think for yourself, are at peace with and comfortable with who you are and the decisions you make being the right decisions for YOU based on who YOU are as an individual. When you put a defined label on it you inevitably start considering and quantifying what exactly it is that makes one a gray jedi and what established adoptors of the label of "gray jedi" thus far have done or what they would do... Where they align themselves on certain subjects, how they think. Down to even what force abilities do "gray jedi" use... That in and of itself is going entirely against what it is to be a gray jedi. It wouldn't take but a minute for new force users deciding to align themselves as a "gray jedi" to start taking on the qualities of existing gray jedi because well... They've put the label on themselves so now they have to think like gray jedi do and act like gray jedi do, right? Walk the walk so to speak. And that is where it all falls apart. By declaring yourself a gray jedi you've essentially become the exact thing that a gray jedi is not. This topic is fascinating me right now and reminds me a lot of real life and religion in some ways. Sorry this is so long if anyone read it. If not it was a fun thought and reflection for myself personally hahaha.
I love the Sith the most, but my personal experiences have taught me that the Grey Jedi is the best format to live life by. Primarily the search for Balance, first in ones self, then attempting to bring balance to the world. If you’re out of balance with yourself, you’re not qualified to bring balance to much else.
protectorian It is a question, and a good one at that. The answer is easy. The people who determine the balance are the people who aren’t greedy or are close minded to other ideas aside from there own. They are the people who would see currency completely done away with, see to it that power is quickly removed from those who let it get to their heads, and want what’s best for all humans. They can’t be racist, biased, arrogant, irresponsible, quick to anger, or have any desire to be treated as being better than others. They want to make the weak strong and the strong wise. They consider all options for the good of all mankind. It’s really not that hard. It really just takes a wise and experienced mind with a heart full of good intent towards all. It’s what we should all strive to be.
protectorian That’s not the question you asked. You asked what the qualifications were for those who would bring the balance. To bring balance IS to mean well for all, because balance is what’s best for all. But that does not mean every decision made in everyone’s best interest is going to be pleasant to experience or execute. Unlike the Jedi, understanding what evils are necessary and which ones are not is part what aids in maintaining balance. And while greed CAN be a powerful ally, it is one of those evils that is more a plague than an aid to balance, as greed is a thing that always seeks to destroy balance. Greed is the ultimate enemy to ultimate balance. That does not mean that personal desires are wrong to have (which is where the Jedi failed), but when your self centered desires consume you and cause you to disrupt the balance in your own life and that of others is when your desire has turned to greed, and you become a Sith-like threat to the balance of all things.
protectorian Also, I said absolutely nothing about suppressing our desires to enter the darker parts of ourselves. You can’t make peace with your inner demons by getting rid of them or quieting them, because they will always haunt you in this life. Rather you MUST explore them to their fullest extent to understand yourself better, but NOT to a degree in a manner in which it harms the balance in and around you. It’s called “self” control for a reason. And if humans worked together, we could create simulations for all manners of evil where people could experience their inner demons to their fullest extent without harming others or wrecking the balance in any way. And any who fail to have self control, or “self balance,” despite these aids must be punished accordingly, as they would have no excuse to commit their evils for real. We already have some good simulations in the form of video games. I can’t go out and start shooting people for no reason because that would be the opposite of balance. But thanks to GTA, I can hop on there any time I’m feeling like a psycho killer and unleash hell without disrupting any balance. Imagine a place that catered to your darkest desires where you could do anything you want without actually harming anyone or disturbing the balance of nature. You could even join in activities with others to perform fake crime of all sorts if you wished. Your worst demons are satisfied, and no one gets hurt. So long as you make peace with your demons, and are wise enough to have good self control, you have achieved inner balance. But I think achieving that for all humans would require some serious technology, as some people need more physical assistance and props to aid with their self control than others do. However that level of technology is something we haven’t committed to creating because those in leadership would rather control others before controlling themselves, and would rather wreak real chaos as opposed to limiting it to simulations. Once you embrace your inner demons and find a harmless outlet for them, it is much easier to achieve inner balance. After that, then you can help others to do the same, thereby bringing all humans into equal balance one soul at a time. Minds will become more open, humans will be able to evolve together through knowledge and mutual harmony, and this in turn will eventually bring the world into balance. Greed tends to make that a problem though. As does any organization that brainwashes people into believing Jedi/Sith types of concepts. Primarily religion, but really any over-exaggerated cause or pride like racism, veganism, or even patriotism can be twisted and used against balance. That is why such ideologies are also unnecessary and dangerous to achieving a balanced world.
protectorian I don’t think we’re on the same page, but ok. Lol. I’m talking about applying balance to the REAL world. OUR world. I’m not interested in running it by what the Grey Jedi do or say, as they are not all even on the same page of each other. It is simply the application of embracing the light and the darkness within ourselves that I am talking about. What happens in the Star Wars galaxy is pretty much up to Disney now, but I hope that the true fans will continue to fight to keep Disney in check. What matters most is what we learn from Star Wars, and that we apply those lessons to our personal lives. That’s why I’m such a major fan. Very few things in my life have been constant for me, and Star Wars is not only one of those things, but it has aided greatly in my learning of the importance of balance within myself and the world around me. It has made a much better and more mature person out of me from all aspects. And the more I seek to maintain my balance, the more fulfilling my life gets. The Force may not exist in this reality, but from my experience, the universe definitely seems to reward those who seek balance in all things. Its my goal to aid the universe in achieving and maintaining balance as it expands, as I believe that is the true and original purpose of all life that exists everywhere.
Yeah well the Rakata were all, yeah fuck you were coming to kill you. So...how were things in balance if the Dark side Rakata existed in the same time as the anti-altruistic anti-good Samaritan Jeda'ii order?
Actually, the problem with the je'dai was that they believed balance was the only thing. One could not be good or evil, they always had to stay balanced and not tip it. If one lost their balance, they would be forced to go to the moon above their planet and medicate until they were back in balance.
@@grizzakaful Yeah, that's the thing, while they were anti-evil they were also anti good, and anyone can tell you that in real life being a nice person doesn't automatically result in another person turning evil as a direct result. And in many respects, the Je'daii were more authoritarian and forcefully conformist than the Jedi ever were. Their attempts at balance didn't stop the Rakata empire from happening.
@@Fattipotato79 I’m a Master Gary Jedi then, “A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away... there was a Jedi who lived in a pineapple under the sea, his name was Gary and he was enslaved by a horrible person named Spongebob who fed him waterlogged snail food everyday. But, it was discovered that he could use the force and both the Jedi and the Sith came for him - Gary fled while two lightsaber wielding jackasses tore up the pineapple fighting for the right to take him, one had a crimson blade the other was blue as the sea itself. The two introduced themselves, one was Darth Planktin and the other was Master Krabs ... they fought until they finally realized that Gary had gotten away ... this is where Gary’s story begins, with an epic battle and chase to see who takes him on as an apprentice, we can only hope that Gary will get to decide for himself his own path in life.”
I don’t believe Qui Gon was a grey Jedi. I believe he was a true Jedi since he was a servant of the force while the Jedi order were servants of the senate.
@@TheGoldenWildcat Lasting over 1,000 years is feat unto itself. If you think practicing both sides is a good thing, then you miss the point of Star Wars and the essence of being a True Jedi. Xantoes a former student of Qui Gon is at best a Dark Jedi or a Dark Sider with a Lightsaber. For he forsaken Jedi Training and the light side entirety. Sith is being of a higher quality than your run of the mill dark sider. being a grey sider will make your force abilities weaker overall and ineffective against Dark Siders and Light Siders in general. Banite Sith had to make a very detail oriented plan that expanded over 1,000 years to hope ever stopping the Jedi. Also Star Wars would be very boring if Jedi were grey and neutral like you want them to be.
I love how Grey Jedi can start a argument online faster then a political comment. While they aren't cannon, yet, if you look back at legends information they are what the jedi started as.
I actually love the Grey Jedi concept. It's like necessary evil for good things, and necessary good for evil things. Like Anti-Hero and Anti-Villain... .
I like the grey Jedi. They're proof that the light and dark sides of force aren't inherently good or evil but rather sides of the same coin. Without both the force could not exist. I've love to see more done with them, but this may be too advanced for the likes of Disney these days.
@@raymarshall7779 Oh STFU. Only morons say there is no grey jedi. Dont sit there and tell me people are only light or dark. Look t the D&D game set and all the alignments there. STFU that there is no grey jedi
I would have to say that if they were to introduce the "Grey Jedi", it may rekindle my interest in Star Wars. Blind faith to any extreme obviously leads to destruction, we see this in our own Real Life History. So ya, I'd dig it. True Neutral is always my play-style.
6:15 I love it how the Grey Jedi code absolutely blows the others out of the freaking water. That's gotta be the coolest set of words to ever come out of the Star Wars universe.
Keep it in context...Anakin said "you are either with me or against me." and Obi-wan's response to THAT was "Only a Sith DEALS in absolute." Absolutes exist in nature there is no escaping it, despite how you to want to try and bend the rules. The key word here is "deals" as in only the Sith deals in "yes" and "no" and don't question the in between, they have a very binary response and do not see the implications nor the complications of their own actions due to their own arrogance, rage and pride. The Jedi will also embrace the dark side in their training and will allow it to certain degrees but only Master Jedi are allowed to undergo this training (Mace Windu with his Form 7 variation of Vaapad). Also the fact that there are Grey Jedi allowed to exist in the academy (Oui-Gon Jinn) shows they are not as restrictive as the Sith in terms of knowledge. If you take it out of context then it sounds like a contradiction but you have to understand that the Jedi are also not perfect and they were written as such, they are blinded by their dogmatic ways and are so persistent on upholding their "truths" when that is just a perspective to another and not the ultimatum. With that, the Jedi do not deal in absolutes but are more guided by blind faith which can be equally as bad.
Gray Jedi embrace both the light and dark side powers and use their abilities to keep one side from gaining power over the other. As he stated in the video, there are many different versions of the Gray Jedi Code. Here is my personal favorite: "There must be both dark and light. I will do what I must to keep the balance, as the balance is what holds all life. There is no good without evil, but evil must not be allowed to flourish. There is passion, yet peace; serenity, yet emotion; chaos, yet order. I am a wielder of the flame; a champion of balance. I am a guardian of life. I am a Gray Jedi."
@ItoMadWorld I think what it means by flourish is not to let it run rampant like a government with almost completely corrupt officials. Evil needs to struggle while they won't be close to dying they need to be kept in check.
I was telling my friend, who is a MASSIVE Dtar Wars fan, a few months back that I wouldn't want to be a Jedi or a Sith, because I don't agree with either of their codes. That's when he introduced me to the concept of the Grey Jedi. I looked for this video to learn more about them, and was amazed at how, without knowing anything about them, my morals perfectly align with the Grey Jedi code. This video was super informative and interesting. Thanks so much for putting this together!
There must be both dark and light. I will do what I must to keep the balance, as the balance is what holds all life. There is no good without evil, but evil must not be allowed to flourish. There is passion, yet peace; serenity, yet emotion; chaos, yet order. I am a wielder of the flame; a champion of balance. I am a guardian of life. I am a Gray Jedi.
@@crossface5710 I am a guardian of ballance. In situations where there is no gentleness without violence I understand that violence is necessary. If someone comes to my home threatening my family I will use violence to protect them because it's necessary.
he wasnt a complete grey jedi, but he was sort of a free spirit in the order, which is why they didnt want him in the counsel. but his free spirit would have made him the perfect master for young anakin and everything would have turned out completely different.
I think that the grey jedi will be the final destination of the force users of star wars, because if anakin truly did balance the force by his sacrifice, then that means equal light AND dark. As long as the jedi and the sith both exist they will clash, and if only one exsists then it would mean the balance was toppled one way or the other. Eventually, the gray jedi will become the dominate faction, able to keep peace by balancing serenity with emotion.
No Anakin did for a short period bring balance to the force when he killed the emperor if you look at the last movie before the force awakens what you'll find is that when Luke fought his father he had a moment where he use the Darkside when he drawed upon his anger to defeat his father and when he had the chance to kill him refuse to do so, considering he had the urge to kill his father when he threatened to use his sister and use her as part of the Empire to join the Dark Side, and with him killing the emperor he returned to his former State as a Jedi but then died leaving only a gray Jedi Luke Skywalker. Although one could argue that Anakin was a grey Jedi because he although he stayed in the light when he was in the Jedi Order he did use Darkside methods and go against some of the Light Side teachings while trying to preserve peace in the galaxy before his fall to the dark side. Actually I think the whole purpose of the Skywalker family was to show the Galaxy how to stay balanced in both the light and the dark side of the force and create an entity or organization of force users that kept the force in Balance but we all know how that turned out it'll be interesting to see what Disney does with the franchise.
the narrator dont forget luke also force choked miss piggies and kermit the frogs bastard children who wer working as guards in jabas palace.....yeah i know they are gamorreans but i always thought thats what Kermit amd the pigs kids would look like
I don't like Disney's new Canon, I prefer the original Lucasfilms Canon, but I hope the Grey Jedi have a big role in the near future, especially if the Yuzhaan Vong (hope I spelled that right) are coming...
@@ReadyComicsRoll Yeah, I didn't grow up with the Expanded Universe, I only understood Star Wars after Disney made the new canon. I've heard about the Vong, but too be honest, it is too strange. I'm glad that Disney is re-canonizing some things, but others need to be accepted as too strange. Sorry, Vong, but you guys are just too weird! Now, gray jedi on the other hand...
Three Fair nothing Disney ever makes can ever truly be Canon they didn't make Star Wars a company can't make anything only people can and George Lucas made Star Wars so forever and always the only one who can ever truly deem anything Canon is George Lucas
I prefer view Luke as the first “true” Jedi since Qui-Gon and the Old Republic. The point of the Prequels were that the Jedi by that time deserved to be destroyed. Luke, on the other hand, had emotions and relationships beyond being a Jedi but still never fell to the Dark Side and became more powerful and wise than Yoda, Palpatine, or even his father could’ve been.
I would love to see Revan become canon, he has almost become cannon twice, once during the clone wars and again in Rebels I would love to see the most respected and revered Gray Jedi become canon. Peace and Passion gives me Strength Strength and Knowledge gives me Power Power and Serenity gives me Harmony Through Harmony, I gain Victory Through balance the force sets me free
If you think about it in Legends continuity Luke Skywalker is also kind of a Grey Jedi, mainly because he stated to his order that there is no good or evil technique of the force, it just depends on how you use it. Not to mention he was able to use techniques of the force that most Jedi from the past wouldn't even use ever because they are basically dark side based techniques. In fact I even made up a Star Wars character myself who was raised by a Jedi for lack of a better term hated the old system of the Jedi Order and kind of felt grateful that the Empire destroyed it.
The Sith aren't chaotic, though. The codes of each group was based on emotions. Sith: Heavily divulge in emotions Jedi: Pretend emotions don't exist Grey Jedi: "Don't get mad, get Glad (trash bags)"
@@2eleven40 This is why I think the words "Lawful" and "Chaotic" were bad words to choose when whomever created the alignment spectrum, but those are the words nonetheless. A better way to explain it is: Lawful = places group goals/values over self interests. Chaotic = places self goal/values over group interests. With that context Sith would be fairly Chaotic. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alignment_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)
@@WillUleimi Lawful is understood as belonging to a group, structure or system, and is in perfect alignment with the Jedi "Order". The Sith on the other hand, are truly "chaotic" in nature - living only for their own self interest and power. Their only "order" exists to pass along knowledge to an apprentice (a form of subjugation and personal power) and to fight the Jedi, which makes their grouping together more of a confederacy than a true institution, whereas the Jedi are, by their very nature, deeply institutionalized and hierarchical. I would add to the list above, as presented by Death Shock: Jedi = Lawful Sith = Chaotic Grey = Neutral Then you have to factor in *how* each force sensitive uses their power... Moral = Good Immoral = Evil Natural = Neutral The interesting thing about the Grey Jedi, is that they most closely imitate who we are as human beings, albeit with "Phenomenal Cosmic Powers" (I can say that right, since Disney owns LucasFilm?). I have maintained for decades that the balance to the force is exactly what the Greys represent - the full power spectrum of the Force, without the fallacies and failings of the two extremes. Luke bested Vader only when he allowed Vader to goad him into tapping into the Dark Side, albeit briefly. His passion gave him the ability to overpower him. His internal morality allowed him to pull back from completely annihilating him. This is also what made Vader/Anakin so powerful to being with. He had experienced great sorrow and loss and was determined to not let it happen to those he loved - his Mother and Wife. In the end, it was his love for his Son that saved him. So passion can serve, so long as its not self-interested.
There is a grey Jedi in “canon” Qui-Gonn Jin is a grey jedi. Rewatch the Phantom Menace and carefully listen to his teaching instruction of the “living force” to Obi-wan and later to Anakin.
@@RandoLePerson well Anakin really was the balance bringer from the prophecy so yeah, he should be considered as a grey Jedi... If you interpret it in other ways it may seem that Luke is the balance himself and thus making him a grey Jedi, but yeah you can still consider both of them grey Jedi because Anakin still turned his back from siths
There's no such thing as grey Jedi and Qui-Gon certainly wasn't one. You can have force users who use both light and dark but they aren't Jedi, you have to follow the teachings and rules of the Jedi order to be called a Jedi.
@@quigonlynn1 This would be disregarding the fact that originally, the Jedi practiced both. It was only during the time after the first split that the new "Order" decided to change its teachings to what we got in the movies. This was due to their fear of the darkside which in itself contradicts the whole "No emotions" aspect. True Jedis are practitioners of balance. The ones we got in the order where extremists who are in part at fault for the sith constantly rising up.
Regardless of weather or not Revan was a grey/light Jedi or sith. He's my absolute favorite character, including Darth Nihilus. Hands up if y'all agree 🙋👍
I like to consider the Grey Jedi as the neutral faction, with the OG Jedi Lawful and Sith Chaotic (to a degree, not everything is black and white for Jedi or Sith. "ironic") but essentially, Grey Jedis don't devote themselves to either side, and with this, I like to think that they dont necessarily form a faction of their own, but that one each Grey Jedi are their own faction individually. They would be the type of people neither the Jedi nor the Sith would approve, and the Grey Jedi are often wandering across the Galaxy solo, there's no set destination for the Grey Jedi, there is only the flow between the Force, life, the admittance of ones own darkness but the strength to work with it, not be consumed by it. This could also mean that Grey Jedi wont have as much power as either a Sith or a Jedi who devote themselves to their respective side, but Grey Jedi have the greatest wisdom and understanding of both sides and that they rely on their own hard earned skills that can have them go toe-to-toe with Sith or Jedi, but neither overwhelm nor be underwhelmed in power - a truly balanced and neutral group. But that's just my tidbit, I'm not at all familiar with Star Wars unlike the OG fans, I just love the lore of this series so much. I might start a movie marathon and delve deep into the fandom sometime in the future.
If you enjoyed this video, be sure to check out my breakdown as to why Stormtroopers have "bad aim." ua-cam.com/video/NvdM2LVe3Ps/v-deo.html Also, I know a lot of people get caught up on the term "Jedi" within Grey Jedi, but please understand that what I speak of is a Force Adept who finds balance, either in using both abilities powers that draw from the light and the dark, or neither source at all. This video provides examples of groups and characters that fall within this category, from both Legends/EU and New Canon, while still using the established term "Grey Jedi", at least until a better term comes along. Remember that the Force is the Force, and that not all abilities/powers come from the light or dark aspects of it, such as push, pull, slam, and mind trick. - Anthony
I think you are correct people are getting hung up on that and technically they are correct to do so. You see there is no such thing as a gray Jedi. You're either a Sith or a Jedi and if you leave either order looking for balance in the middle then you are not that anymore and can no longer be called that. So we should be referring to them simply as a gray, not a gray Jedi
well i believe that they are grey Jedi but yeah if want to be called grey that's great but to me i believe that their is only the force not two different sides those sides are how people use the force is just one of all it could dark or light its u and other that before those side to be on, soon u will be pulled to other side but the balance of none temptation of ether when u are bound between both.
The traditional Jedi back to the Je'Dah order were grey in nature as they understood and practised both sides of thr force. So no, you are wrong. Quigon was in essence a Grey Jedi.
I like the idea of Grey Jedi... I have always disliked the idea that people cannot use the Dark Side for good as it corrupts you but the Light side does not (silly).
@@grandhierophantkhatep685 - Yeah they contradict themselves sometimes... but using the Dark Side is seen to corrupt you and make you full on kill kids evil from what we have been shown.
@@cronic1866 That's an opinionated answer to me. Ones point of view determines if it is good or evil. People can do bad things for what they say is for the greater good, but which actions will they take to get there and will they be thought of as good or evil? whether someone is good or bad is usually left to the empathy of others when they view of their actions.
@@Istangr2784 your answer is opinionated. have you ever done something bad for a good cause? Does that make one selfish or evil? Have you ever heard of someone doing something good, but others say it is bad? It boils down to your point of view.
Luke (in the EU) I thought was a Gray Jedi. He did alter a LOT of the classic Jedi codes (allowed Jedi to have families and had one of his own, trained and befriended Kyle Katarn who used light/dark powers). I remember reading a book back in the day (can't remember which one) where it said that Luke (at the end of ep6) was a grey Jedi because he accepted his emotions (not giving up on Vader), dressed in all black and used Force Choking (which was a typical dark side of the force), but he obviously still had a strong moral compass
I think calling Revan a grey jedi is underestemating him. Grey jedi find a balance between light and dark sides, Revan didn’t so much find balance as much as MASTER both fully.
As far as the concept goes, it's more realistic. And satisfying. Like you said life isn't always black and white. There are often shades of gray. Many people live they're whole lives in the gray. They are wise to as well.
Jedi errors Emotion: they shape the living world, fear can help self preservation, love is fueling the expansion of life in sentient species, and although some people can do horrible things out of love, other will stand by their morals for the same reason Ignorance: contradicts some philosophy of the jedis, that a master is still a learner all his life. Without ignorance you would live on certitudes, because "you know". Ignorance can make you question things Passion: pass, sounds like a repeat of the emotion vs peace line Chaos: chaos tails order like its shadow. The universe was born out of chaos, with many random events building slowly into order. even the Force visions proves chaos is part of the force, since Yoda himself warns Luke how moving the future is, uncertain Death: maybe your death doesn't mean much to you as a Jedi because you join the Force afterwards, but that means the weaker beings lost someone to defend them. I feel that the Jedi ranks dwindled because of their " save everyone at all time" mentality Sith errors Peace is a lie. This alone is flawed. The Sith have spent so many years wasting their strenght, power, victories to jump at eachother's throat. You could even say Bane aknowledged peace and its benefits: he hid the Sith from the Jedis's sight for centuries, using peace as a way to mellow their vigilance, then unleashed the right amount of chaos when everything was ready through Sidious.
My only beef with the gray jedi is that they break the melodramatic structure that made Star Wars so enjoyable in the first place but I think that it's really fitting for the times we're living in for the expanded SW (or SW as it expands) acknowledges that a balance is the true way rather than ultimate good and ultimate evil
One of my favorite Je'daii analogies is this one and it perfrctly sums up Grey Jedi: The Force is like a giant tree. What branches you choose to climb determines your path of the Force but keep true to it and you will ultimately reach the canopy of enlightenment
I thought that the Last Jedi movie was perfectly leading up to the development of the Grey Jedi in new canon when Rey and Kylo were having those mental links and joined forces in the battle against Snoke and his guards. It was a shame when nothing eventuated and some of the worst plot decisions followed shortly after when that avenue was abruptly cut off. I would have really enjoyed both Kylo and Rey sharing both sides of the force enacting their will of balance between the two conflicting factions as a third party.
Kyle Katarn's interpretation is probably the most logical conclusion to make. There is no 'side' to the Force, there is just the Force. The dark or light comes from the person wielding it.
This is just part of a quote from Ketu. Here is the real quote: "In the light, there is a darkness and in the darkness, a light. It is the way with us all. Be a prisoner of neither Bogan nor Ashla. Strive to live in balance. As Tython itself teaches us, it is dangerous to do otherwise. And the danger is there-always." - Ketu, of the Je'daii Order (Je'daii Temple Master of Akar Kesh, Great Temple of Balance, on Tython). There is no such thing as "Grey/Gray Jedis". Force wielders who practice balance are the Je'daii.
That's what the Taijitu symbol is all about! Hell this icon i'm using is also another form of that Except it also expresses a double-sided mind, someone who has mastered both sides, or two who became one
I like the idea of a gray jedi order becoming cannon, it will allow them to give their universe depth and open whole new stories for them and make things work that may not have been able to before.
Darth Nihilus But you’re a Sith Lord yourself! The Sith always betray one another to see who’s the Strongest, Powerful & Feared. The Jedi are the opposite who protect those who cannot defend themselves & helped those who fell to the Dark Side into bringing them back to the Light Side Like when Revan when he fell to the Dark Side he reclaimed his old Idenity as the Hero who won the Mandalorian War. & he ended the War between the Republic & Sith Empire he started by defeating his old Apprentice Darth Malak & Destroying the Star Forge.
Abby Simon he’ll the movie director fucked up the new trilogy... they tried to pushed an sjw agenda... I hate it... Luke wasn’t supposed to die in the movie and yet they made it so making a view point to ruin a beautiful franchise for sjw propaganda...
I lived my youth according to Jedi code swearing oath to obey the code under a higher authority, I was so good at it I reached to the top, where life loses its purpose. Without any Purpose, I lost my motivation. To obtain my motivation back, I studied and used the dark side. Dark side widened my perspective and made realize this higher authority I once served was actually a Sith inside behaving like a Jedi outside. What I have learned is that each and every Force user has to master both sides to brake the chains from both teachings and become truely free. Only then a Force user reaches who they really are; where bring good or bad loses its importance but other characteristics become more important... Now I wander around wondering when to use what side of the force; which gives me a headache. But this headache of " responsibility of freedom" I will Always prefer above bring a slave of any Codes... What type of a Force user does this story make me?
My biggest concern about Grey Jedi is that they will strip the Star Wars canon of nuance. The Jedi are flawed, and the Sith are flawed... And that makes them interesting. I worry that fans are trying to make a version of a force user with no downsides, who can access to all the awesome powers of the Sith, and the justice of the Jedi, with no tradeoffs.
I would actually disagree, because as apossed to it being a choice of light versus dark, other motives would have to be introduced. The exile comes to mind, she consciously chose to sever her connection to the force, for her own reasons, this could still happen if she was gray. Watching someone have a decline, resorting to more extreme measures, but rather than having the excuse of saying yes the dark side, they would have to live with their own action, and they would have to acknowledge that it is them perpetrating these actions. But then, them being a Destination still would be interesting.
Uhm no, having to both use the light and dark sides of the Force without succumbing to both of them takes its toll on anyone. Its literally real life. You have to accept the good and bad times in your life without succumbing to just a stagnant or a indulging life that leads to death.
@@CEBph5997 The Grey Jedi are not canon. Grey Jedi make as much sense as a Grey Sith. Sith and Jedi are ultimately just philosophies. You can be entirely immersed in one side without being a Jedi or Sith like the Nightsisters for example. The light side is the force in balance while the dark side is the force out of balance. The light side is about channeling the actual will of the force while the dark side of the force is about bending the force to your will to accomplish your own personal ambitions. Ahsoka never utilizes the dark side of the force neither does Qui-Gon. Ahsoka is just a light-sided force user. Anakin doesn't become gray at the time of his death. He is on the light side again.
I would be a jedi, through and through, don't care how "unrealistic" their teaching may seem. I don't need to shut off emotions, only control them. That's the part people miss about the jedi. They don't encourage the removal of emotions, but to have control over them.
I would be a jedi for like 5>10 years and see the Fult with it and then embrace being a gray force user that's what I think would happen if I was sent to star wars
Ha I knew it. Haven't watched it yet but I kinda guessed the Grey Jedi will be introduced since either Rey will be turned Sith or become Grey thus titled "Last Jedi". I always loved the concept of walking between the force that was very prominent in VGs. Not only did it make for a great branching mechanic for choices and outcomes, it also becomes a great moral dilemna for the protagonist/antagonist themselves which is also why anti-hero stories are very good.
Aron Estabillo Exactly! Also, a "Grey Jedi" doesn't even have to be an anti-hero or edge lord. All "Grey Jedi" really means is balanced, and there is nothing wrong with that. Don't get the pushback from some fans on this subject, as it makes the Star Wars universe deeper and more complex, which makes for more interesting story telling. Also, as you pointed out, it has worked well for the EU books and video games. Let's see what the future holds.
I believe that qui gon being a grey Jedi is a common mistake, he, in my eyes, was what a true Jedi should have actually been, let's not forget that the Jedi order at this point, and this is a fact, have lost their way, to go against the council isn't to be a grey Jedi, he goes against the Jedi because he sees the will of the force to outweigh the will of the council, I personally have never heard of him using any dark side abilities.
He actually used several dark side abilities, including becoming a force ghost, which was originally considered a dark side ability. In legends, he used force lighting and force deception. Both considered dark side abilities
@@nathanbaker677 I could be wrong but have never heard of him using dark side abilities in canon, legends has a lot of strange things in it. Same with force ghosts, in canon as far as I know no one who was a darkside user, especially a sith, has become a full fledge force ghost, not just situational/random manifestations through relics or hatred. If you know of him using dark side abilities in canon I'm all ears
He followed the will of the Force-but the Force made him with emotions. He acted on his feelings to free Anakin, and given time would probably have checked on Shmi when Anakin had nightmares. Whether or not he told Anakin about the Tuscan Raiders or any rescue that happened. To be purely Light would require him to repress his feelings, to be purely Dark would require him to be ruled by them. He did neither, and acknowledged Anakin's, and Shmi's, feelings as valid. That's not a Dark side ability, and that's not a Light side ability. That's the Greyest Jedi I've ever seen.
I like the Je'daii Order, I'd probably go so far as to say I like them better than the Jedi Order that we know of. The Jed'daii Order is the first grey jedi and I agree with that
“Here is natural instinct, and here is control. You are to put them together in harmony. If you have one to the extreme, you will become very unscientific. If you have another to the extreme, you will suddenly become a mechanical man, no longer a human being.” - Bruce Lee
I still I agree with the Sith philosophy more than any other: it's how that philosophy was played out which I disagree with. If you examine the Sith code, irrespective of how the sith are portrayed: the code itself is an expression of freedom.
In the Sith code, only power matters. It does not care who you must crush to obtain that power. It inevitably leads to tyranny. Power has to be tempered by justice and mercy. It is a means, not an end by itself.
I hope that this concept is developed more in the future. It is just awesome in my opinion and probably the only way to end the constant Jedi Vs Sith wars: to return of their former Jeda'ii roots (at least in Legends).
Since I was a kid i LOVED the idea of something gray, I always saw the Jedi ways... useless, they were trying to do the best for everyone but they were too passive that's why I always liked Anakin he was something more, if you want to protect you have to be active sometimes, doing nothing is not the best way to bring peace of to bring safety, now that I'm an adult I still love the idea of the Gray Jedi lmao is just too good for me
"There was no Light without the Dark. Through Passion, I gain Focus. Through Knowledge, I gain Power. Through Serenity, I gain Strength. Through Victory, I gain Harmony. There is ONLY the Force." - Grey Jedi Code
@Shayan They told Padme's parents that her twins were dead. A Jedi mind trick would be no worse than straight-up kidnapping kids. And Jedi do both those things very readily.
That was the right thing to do. Their lives would be in danger if the empire learned about them. Must I remind you that the sith hunted force sensititves to torture and train in the dark side. Fallen Order, anyone?
That’s not how it works, mind trick can be resisted with a strong will, parents love for their kids would indefinitely be more than enough will to resist it. Also, not every parent can care take their child. In a galaxy of trillions, there were only 10,000 Jedi at their height.
C C Chaotic Good seems natural☺. I try to at least Good anyway, whatever the first half might be. In KotOR(and in TOR), I can never bring myself to go dark(feels forced, and I feel like an A), at worst I'd be 92% Light(except my main Sith Warrior, he's pure light😀).
There is no light without the dark, Through passion i gain focus Through knowledge i gain power Through serenity i gain strength Through victory i gain harmony There is only the force. ^ this is from Both jedi code and Sith code combined. And it literally means balance. 6:15 i don't know where you got that from but that was pretty lame.
I've looked at the codes in this video in a philosophical manner in relation to the actions of the their respective orders. Before today I didn't know there was a Grey Jedi code, but reading it and applying it to the actions of Grey Jedi I can honestly say that was one of the most honest codes to date. Aside from the Sith code, which is extremely honest to one's believes and goals that one wishes to achieve by any means necessary, the Grey Jedi actually have something solid. The Jedi's code is fundamentally flawed on just about every level, its hard to fight to protect someone without feeling something. A duty or a responsibility may be one thing, but to be effective one must have something worth fighting for. A passion or something that comes close to an actual emotion, this has served the Sith extremely well in duels against other Jedi. However the issue there is they let their emotions run ramp-id, best comparison would be a berserker. Incredibly strong and powerful, but undisciplined and exploitable. Jedi have composure, but too much can impede their judgment to a degree. Grey Jedi don't fall into these extremes, while they have composure they can still draw from their emotions at specific times to increase their abilities greatly. In addition to keeping a level a head and a cool composure, in this instance think of Shaolin Monks. While still having the Buddhist views of the world, they do not shy away from standing their ground. Nor would they be completely above taking action in their own hands should it be absolutely necessary to attack in order to protect. Jedi would fall more in line with Buddhist priests, with some self-defense training. They tend to keep to themselves more often, Grey Jedi can as well but also will strike out without hesitation nor some kind of permission from a council of sorts should the situation be dire enough to warrant it. Jedi and at times Sith are bound by this as both have a ruling council, though in the defense of the Sith that's more like guidelines. They do whatever they want, so long as its for the best interest of the empire. Which is some what problematic in its own way with the in fighting as it is notorious for. But getting back on topic, Grey Jedi would have to undergo a level of training and conditioning to understand the intricacies of the force and far better emotional control when it comes to restraint. Far more intensive then Jedi Order could ever fathom.
Can’t forget Ferus Olin- imo the most underrated Jedi. He left the Jedi order before ever attaining the rank of Knight, which spared him from Order 66. His story is covered in The Last of the Jedi book series, which takes place between episodes III and IV. Ferus embarks on a quest to discover Sith holocrons to combine Dark and Light side techniques so he could become powerful enough to face Vader (as he and Anakin were bitter rivals while they were in the Jedi Order together), and put a stop to the Galactic Empire with his own small rebellion camped out on a remote asteroid. He never quite accomplished his mission, but through his journey became associated with Bail Organa and was tasked with watching over Leia on Alderaan, much like Obi-Wan (who was the actually catalyst for Ferus’s journey) would watch over Luke on Tatooine. Ferus would presumably die at the destruction of Alderaan in A New Hope. Ferus Olin is one of my favorite characters from Legends and no one knows who he is. He was also arguably one of the first characters to provide some kind of LGBTQIA+ representation in the Star Wars universe. The Last of the Jedi was written for a slightly younger audience, but I highly HIGHLY recommend that any Star Wars fan read them. They’re quite short and very entertaining
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I would love very much to see a film - even an animated one - about a Gray Jedi who occasionally must wrestle with the dark side of their personality. Such an inner struggle would create a lot of tension as he or she goes about their duties. Luke Skywalker could never be a Gray Jedi, but Rey most certainly could with her Palpatine bloodline and that would make for an interesting story.
@ReadyComicsRoll thank you for talking about the grey jedi they are my favorite type of jedi and I love they're order.
Darth Revan is a Super Beast he's that the monster that other monster's fear .. nuff said.
@@patriciahayes7315 Not that I support this Grey Jedi nonsense, but why couldn't Luke be a Grey Jedi but Rey could?
You have an incredibly narrow view of what the Jedi are. Your knowledge is very basic and lacking the details.
The way you explained it is like saying a cat purrs when content or happy and hisses when spooked.
You haven't said why, what events lead to their way of thinking.
Though like most fans I'm guessing you are huge fan of the very evil Sith and don't care about the details.
Jedi: Peace is victory.
Sith: Power is victory.
Grey Jedi: Balance is victory.
Obi-Wan: High Ground is victory.
Obi-Wan: It's over, Anakin! I have the high ground!
From my point of view, you have the the LAVA GROUND
@@DetectivePlays0 force lava throw :)
@@DetectivePlays0 Obi-Wan: Well then you are lost!
@@mikeor- Anakin: You under estimate my Power
Also Grey Jedi held *day jobs* married and raised family's. So much better than either one of the extreme of *Sith vs Jedi*
Agreed!
100% with you all the way.
Agreed! I'd be a Grey Jedi anyday!
Yeap. Celibate is complicated
You do know that prior to the Mandalorian wars and after Luke brought the jedi back in legends the Jedi were perfectly ok with having multiple padawans being trained
by one master and jedi having kids and marrying right?
@@taliesinhalliday that is true, and honestly one of the more unexplored areas of star wars lore with little depicted outside of The old republic MMO (probably because people are more interested in bashing the jedi then to develop the sith) but more often than not the sith are more interested in duplicity and advancing one's power base than in say...fighting famine.
"Only a Sith deals in absolutes." - Obi Wan Kenobi
The Jedi Code is a series of absolutes.
Ironic.
States an absolute to condemn absolutes....one should choose their words more carefully...and perhaps less hypocritically.
Jedda Barnes
Yoda: Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny.
Kenobi: Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
A post about someone being against absolutes while at the same time stating an absolute while people complain about the absolute while at the same time their own claim being an absolute while another commenter talks about the previous people stating absolutes while stating absolutes.
Blame jar jar- I mean lucas
A Grey Jedi is just a force user that doesn't have the emotional maturity of a five year old that either cuts off all emotion or lets their emotions consume them
I thought the grey jedi use both the light and dark side.
@@andromedagalaxynebula5751 right, but most dark side users are fueled by strong emotion. Jedi try to get rid of their emotions. Grey Jedi likely recognize their emotions and move on, like a mature person would
a.k.a. a functional human being
Isn't it the Jedi who have the best intentions but the worst way of going about it
@@mrclutch5788 and the siths are the ones with the worst intentions but the best way of doing them
edit : fixed some typos
To those who say there are only 2 sides of the Force (Light and Dark), I say: only a Sith deals in absolutes.
Well played...
agreed
then again... lol even THAT is an absolute
Well played sir!
Being a sith is fun
Jedi: the force is all powerful
Sith: I am all powerful
Grey jedi: I am the force, and the force is me.
Bruh
Chirut Imwe: I am one with the Force and the Force is with me.
I am one with the force
*reloads laser machine gun with patriotic intent*
the force is one with me.
Sith'ari Azithoth gay is gay but you could also say Jedi are equal to sith
@@swordsagas2054 imagine a force user using a gun and using the force as aimbot
Is it just me or are the Grey Jedi some of the most badass characters in the Star Wars universe.
Enby icons
...don't forget the Gungans!!!
They are pretty terrible.
It’s not just you.
They never existed? There is no such thing as a grey jedi
Honestly the Gray version sounds like a real Jedi doctrine
The Grey Jedi is the doctrine which is what means to be human.
@bradford to me, it's ok actually. And it's not really breaking the force in it's entirety.
bradford apparently mace windu breaks the force in its entirety
bradford I don’t think GJ keep a balance all the time, I’m pretty sure in order to use both sides you’d need to use the light side internally for most of the time and only tap into the dark when it’s like actually needed. Also edit, that’s very possible. the Je’daii order which lasted for 10k years mind you, would kick out anyone who was leaning towards the light or dark and exile them to a moon.
bradford yeah I’d def acknowledge that the concept put into practice is risky to turn to either side, but it’s really excessive use of the dark side that corrupts you. And it’d also be very hard to achieve yes. You could still get help of GJ were in an order setting. Also Emotion does keep you on the light side, several people on the light side would remain there while having attachments to people and things. Anakin for example had a bunch of attachments and he was still on the light side until he was manipulated by Palps so I don’t get what you’re saying
I would love to see a movie focused on the greys..
Have u not watch the newer movies
@@thedeadp00lttv . . .
TheDeadp00l screw the new movies.
its called rey
I would love to see the rise of the Dark Side directed by Gaspar Noe, or Darren arronofsky
The first mistake the Jedi order made was pledging loyalty to the Republic. Why would any order hoping to bring peace to the entire galaxy pledge loyalty to only part of it? We've seen how this decision screwed over so many people. During the Clone Wars, the Jedi were forbidden from helping those in need simply because the Separatists weren't involved. The Jedi became the slaves of the Republic. Luke Skywalker fixed this after The Galactic Federation turned on him.
The second mistake was creating a code that forbade emotion and attachments. This decision was made to prevent Jedi falling to the dark side, but repressing emotions and strict rules actually caused more to fall to the dark side. Count Dooku and Anakin Skywalker are two examples of how the code was actually it's own enemy. Yet again, Luke fixed this after he created the New Jedi Order. Allowing Jedi to marry and allowing the dark side to be studied.
WALN Zell yeah
The Jedi weren’t bad, but there ideals were massively flawed as repressing emotional always fails in the end, and emotions are not capable of getting rid of so it is basically a ticking bomb waiting to blow
I guess Anakin really did bring balance to the Force - by wipping out the Jedi Order, he made a clean slate for a new generation of Jedi, who would learn from past mistakes, and he also killed Palpatine, thus ending the domain of the Sith.
@@simonaspalovis1204 So he did fulfill his destiny, but he did so in a way that no one, not even he, expected.
@@LoneWolf20213
This is why shrinks tell their patients not to suppress their emotions. When we humans do so, it eats away at us from the inside out.
HoopyFroodJerran remind me who’s shrinks again
So basically; *Sith* control the force while *Jedi* let the force control them and the *Grey* ones are ones who fluctuate between this.
Todoroki Touya I like this. Concise
Deep Thoughts When i will shower
Yes, making them the most powerful since they have both Jedi force and sith force.
Todoroki Touya sith control the force. The Jedi worship the force. The grey Jedi lives with the force, as a partner or companion of sorts
Sounds like REPUBLICANS, DEMOCRATS, and INDEPENDENTS to me.
Can we all just agree that the sequel trilogy should just be considered a fan fiction....
Given episode 9 with the original director toyed with the grey jedi idea along with other great concepts like Mortis the force planet coming back, Finn inspiring Stormtroopers, Kylo staying evil, learning about Plaguis's Master, and Luke messing with Kylo, it would have been a still flawed but much better movie.
Total fan fiction.
I wouldn’t even call it a fan fiction. I’d call them a fiction.
Who would have known a decade ago that there could possibly be something more hated than the prequel trilogy.
@@mrcoryman1 the funny thing is I never knew the prequels were hated.sure I thought they were cheesy as hell and easy to make fun of but aside from jar jar and Hayden christianson I love the prequels.
Ahsoka:"I am no Jedi."
Found that line so awesome.
Iconic!
It was pretty fuckn dope
By philosophy she Probably and morally agrees with jedi, so in that sense, shes just not part of the order itself.
I love her character, but as far as I've seen she's no Grey Jedi. A Grey Jedi is one that embraces all sides of the force, and we've not seen any dark side from her...yet
@@AeneasGemini What would she have to do to convince you that she's embraced the dark side as well?
For quick reference:
*THE JEDI CODE*
There is no emotion, there is Peace.
There is no ignorance, there is Knowledge.
There is no passion, there is Serenity.
There is no chaos, there is Harmony.
There is no death, there is the Force.
*THE SITH CODE*
Peace is a lie, there is only Passion.
Through passion, I gain Strength.
Through strength, I gain Power.
Through power, I gain Victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
*THE GREY JEDI CODE*
Flowing through all, there is Balance.
There is no peace without a Passion to create.
There is no passion without Peace to guide.
Knowledge stagnates without the Strength to act.
Power blinds without the Serenity to see.
There is freedom in Life.
There is purpose in Death.
The Force is all things
And I am the Force.
*THE JE'DAII OATH*
There is no ignorance; there is Knowledge.
There is no fear; there is Power.
I am the heart of the Force.
I am the revealing fire of Light.
I am the mystery of Darkness,
In balance with Chaos and Harmony,
Immortal in the Force.
Here's more of the greys...
There must be both dark and light. I will do what I must to keep the balance, as the balance is what holds all life. There is no good without evil, but evil must not be allowed to flourish. There is passion, yet peace; serenity, yet emotion; chaos, yet order. I am a wielder of the flame; a champion of balance. I am a guardian of life. I am a Gray Jedi.
There is no emotion, there is peace.There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.There is no passion, there is serenity.There is no chaos, there is harmony.There is no death, there is the Force.
Emotion, yet peace.Ignorance, yet knowledge.Passion, yet serenity.Chaos, yet harmony.Death, yet the Force.
@@LITLEGEND @Angela Pascual
Beautiful stuff, thank you for sharing!
Nerd
Nerd and proud thanks, this is the way lol
I am the watcher on the walls.
I am the fire that burns against the cold, the light that brings the dawn, the horn that wakes the sleepers, the shield that guards the realms of men.
I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all the nights to come.
aka the only side that makes sense of the bunch. being an extremist in whichever direction is never good
And you support ppl like cofeve
you speak the truth
Indeed. Not expressing any emotion and/or passion like the Jedi is extremely unhealthy, while letting your emotions consume you like the Sith is also unhealthy. Expressing your emotions in a controlled manner is the way of the Chad.
Except that Georges Lucas himself said in an interview (back in 2010, I believe) that the only way to bring balance in the Force is to be purely Light. The very existence of the Dark side mess with the balance of the force.
But everyone forgot since Disney decided to change that.
Being an extremist for anything is never good
Jedi Council: "The Jedi are correct in all their dogma and teachings"
Me: "Only a Sith deals in absolutes"
Ironically true since the council was unawake that there was sith influencing them all over the place
Ironically, the Grey Jedi themselves have their own dogma & teachings. It's self-defeating for them to have a doctrine of their own, and yet they do.
@@whiteraven1992 But they accept the fact they do have those. The Jedi won't admit that they are wrong most of the time.
@@memecliparchives2254 The point is; Grey Jedi supposedly detest their Jedi counterparts' tendency toward adhering to dogma, and yet they've got their own dogma to follow. "Accepting" that they do makes no difference here. Most "Grey Jedi" in this franchise are hypocritical.
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At best, *_neither_* the Jedi Council nor any Grey Jedi truly follow the Light Side. The separate dogmas they obey ironically go against what the Light Side's supposed to be about.
@@whiteraven1992 The Grey don't follow the Light. That's the point.
There is no light
without the Dark
Through passion,
I gain Focus
Through Knowledge,
I gain Power
Through Serenity,
I gain Strength
Through Victory
I gain Harmony
There is Only the Force
-Grey Jedi Code
Another Grey Jedi Code
"The Force is The Force" Grey Jedi, probably
If I were a star wars character. I'd be a grey jedi for sure.
There's no such thing as a grey jedi just call them either grey or a force user or just come up with a better term
So it's like Gryffindor, Slytherin, Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff
@@mcwaff8661 lmao. If there is a dark jedi, there is no reason there cant be a grey jedi
To become a Jedi is to be no one.
To become a Sith is to be the only one.
To become a Grey Jedi is to become no one, and everyone.
Roses are Red Violets are Blue, I'm one with the force, *Scoobydoobydoo*
Lol wtf 😂
SJW SHIT
Well Said
Many people see nothing in nihilism,
but that same nihilism might very well
be the most horrifying thing in this world.
The fact Ezra Bridger could open a sith holocron, without having fallen to the dark side, should classify him as a grey Jedi.
That's what I was thinking!
IrishRebel92 he is but a crappy character for a kids show with od plot armor
Ezra was so badass but he was so annoying
he was able to do that because he started falling for the temptations of the dark side... he later went "back on track"...
RSProduxx did he... hit the sack?
My issue with Grey Jedi is that they will inevitably become the new "good guys" while relegating the Jedi as alternate "bad guys". It frees a whole class of potential characters of the complications of choosing a moral side.
In the end, while I like the idea, becoming a Grey Jedi should be a destination, not a starting point. No movie or video game should start with a protagonist being a Grey Jedi, unless of course the moral of the story is that choosing a side is what moves the story forward to resolution.
Very well said, and I agree fully.
Black lives matter
Very well said and I completely agree with you. The gray jedi is such a cool and interesting subject I think and I'd love to see a movie or game or book or whatever really that tell stories and follow those who WE or other star wars characters might classify as gray jedi.. But if they were to decide to make "the gray jedi" a thing, a side that one were able to choose to align with.. It almost goes against the gray jedi in a fundamental way and would 100% ruin what makes them so cool. The ones that we consider as gray jedi come from a place of following either the way of the sith or the way of the jedi, sometimes even both! For whatever reason(s) though they have severed ties with them only after they experience great personal growth, reflection, and just a general knowledge of the world and life and where their morals align. They have decided that maybe they agree with the jedi on some things but maybe not others.. They embrace the dark side from a perspective of the fact that it's nothing that should scare you as long as you know where you stand and know you are what you perceive as good why should another side of the force have any effect on you negative or otherwise? They don't let the ways of the jedi or the ways of the sith dictate how they think in every single facet of their own personal journey of life. They refuse to pick and align themselves with either side because they are free thinking and do what they think is right in all situations instead of what you are told to think is right by the faction that you align with. Only siths deal in absolutes and they aren't willing to say just because I agree with you here I will absolutely agree with everything you say. They know who they are and won't let anyone tell them they are bad because they may do some things that are considered "dark force" and they won't let anyone tell them that they are not good just because they don't agree with the jedi when it comes to every single thing. If aligning yourself as a gray jedi were to become a thing it would take away from the fact that you think for yourself, are at peace with and comfortable with who you are and the decisions you make being the right decisions for YOU based on who YOU are as an individual. When you put a defined label on it you inevitably start considering and quantifying what exactly it is that makes one a gray jedi and what established adoptors of the label of "gray jedi" thus far have done or what they would do... Where they align themselves on certain subjects, how they think. Down to even what force abilities do "gray jedi" use... That in and of itself is going entirely against what it is to be a gray jedi. It wouldn't take but a minute for new force users deciding to align themselves as a "gray jedi" to start taking on the qualities of existing gray jedi because well... They've put the label on themselves so now they have to think like gray jedi do and act like gray jedi do, right? Walk the walk so to speak. And that is where it all falls apart. By declaring yourself a gray jedi you've essentially become the exact thing that a gray jedi is not. This topic is fascinating me right now and reminds me a lot of real life and religion in some ways. Sorry this is so long if anyone read it. If not it was a fun thought and reflection for myself personally hahaha.
@@danielnelson4881 thanks bro!
The thing with Grey Jedi would be start as one or the other and develop your ability's as you see fit
I love the Sith the most, but my personal experiences have taught me that the Grey Jedi is the best format to live life by. Primarily the search for Balance, first in ones self, then attempting to bring balance to the world. If you’re out of balance with yourself, you’re not qualified to bring balance to much else.
Couldn't have said it better ourselves!
protectorian It is a question, and a good one at that. The answer is easy. The people who determine the balance are the people who aren’t greedy or are close minded to other ideas aside from there own. They are the people who would see currency completely done away with, see to it that power is quickly removed from those who let it get to their heads, and want what’s best for all humans. They can’t be racist, biased, arrogant, irresponsible, quick to anger, or have any desire to be treated as being better than others. They want to make the weak strong and the strong wise. They consider all options for the good of all mankind. It’s really not that hard. It really just takes a wise and experienced mind with a heart full of good intent towards all. It’s what we should all strive to be.
protectorian That’s not the question you asked. You asked what the qualifications were for those who would bring the balance. To bring balance IS to mean well for all, because balance is what’s best for all. But that does not mean every decision made in everyone’s best interest is going to be pleasant to experience or execute. Unlike the Jedi, understanding what evils are necessary and which ones are not is part what aids in maintaining balance.
And while greed CAN be a powerful ally, it is one of those evils that is more a plague than an aid to balance, as greed is a thing that always seeks to destroy balance. Greed is the ultimate enemy to ultimate balance. That does not mean that personal desires are wrong to have (which is where the Jedi failed), but when your self centered desires consume you and cause you to disrupt the balance in your own life and that of others is when your desire has turned to greed, and you become a Sith-like threat to the balance of all things.
protectorian Also, I said absolutely nothing about suppressing our desires to enter the darker parts of ourselves. You can’t make peace with your inner demons by getting rid of them or quieting them, because they will always haunt you in this life. Rather you MUST explore them to their fullest extent to understand yourself better, but NOT to a degree in a manner in which it harms the balance in and around you. It’s called “self” control for a reason. And if humans worked together, we could create simulations for all manners of evil where people could experience their inner demons to their fullest extent without harming others or wrecking the balance in any way. And any who fail to have self control, or “self balance,” despite these aids must be punished accordingly, as they would have no excuse to commit their evils for real. We already have some good simulations in the form of video games. I can’t go out and start shooting people for no reason because that would be the opposite of balance. But thanks to GTA, I can hop on there any time I’m feeling like a psycho killer and unleash hell without disrupting any balance. Imagine a place that catered to your darkest desires where you could do anything you want without actually harming anyone or disturbing the balance of nature. You could even join in activities with others to perform fake crime of all sorts if you wished. Your worst demons are satisfied, and no one gets hurt. So long as you make peace with your demons, and are wise enough to have good self control, you have achieved inner balance.
But I think achieving that for all humans would require some serious technology, as some people need more physical assistance and props to aid with their self control than others do. However that level of technology is something we haven’t committed to creating because those in leadership would rather control others before controlling themselves, and would rather wreak real chaos as opposed to limiting it to simulations.
Once you embrace your inner demons and find a harmless outlet for them, it is much easier to achieve inner balance.
After that, then you can help others to do the same, thereby bringing all humans into equal balance one soul at a time. Minds will become more open, humans will be able to evolve together through knowledge and mutual harmony, and this in turn will eventually bring the world into balance.
Greed tends to make that a problem though. As does any organization that brainwashes people into believing Jedi/Sith types of concepts. Primarily religion, but really any over-exaggerated cause or pride like racism, veganism, or even patriotism can be twisted and used against balance. That is why such ideologies are also unnecessary and dangerous to achieving a balanced world.
protectorian I don’t think we’re on the same page, but ok. Lol. I’m talking about applying balance to the REAL world. OUR world. I’m not interested in running it by what the Grey Jedi do or say, as they are not all even on the same page of each other. It is simply the application of embracing the light and the darkness within ourselves that I am talking about.
What happens in the Star Wars galaxy is pretty much up to Disney now, but I hope that the true fans will continue to fight to keep Disney in check.
What matters most is what we learn from Star Wars, and that we apply those lessons to our personal lives. That’s why I’m such a major fan. Very few things in my life have been constant for me, and Star Wars is not only one of those things, but it has aided greatly in my learning of the importance of balance within myself and the world around me. It has made a much better and more mature person out of me from all aspects. And the more I seek to maintain my balance, the more fulfilling my life gets. The Force may not exist in this reality, but from my experience, the universe definitely seems to reward those who seek balance in all things. Its my goal to aid the universe in achieving and maintaining balance as it expands, as I believe that is the true and original purpose of all life that exists everywhere.
The original Jeda'ai were balanced. Like he said outside influences split them into the light and dark philosophies. The Force just IS.
Thank you!
Yeah well the Rakata were all, yeah fuck you were coming to kill you.
So...how were things in balance if the Dark side Rakata existed in the same time as the anti-altruistic anti-good Samaritan Jeda'ii order?
Actually, the problem with the je'dai was that they believed balance was the only thing. One could not be good or evil, they always had to stay balanced and not tip it. If one lost their balance, they would be forced to go to the moon above their planet and medicate until they were back in balance.
@@grizzakaful Yeah, that's the thing, while they were anti-evil they were also anti good, and anyone can tell you that in real life being a nice person doesn't automatically result in another person turning evil as a direct result.
And in many respects, the Je'daii were more authoritarian and forcefully conformist than the Jedi ever were.
Their attempts at balance didn't stop the Rakata empire from happening.
The sith are shrouded in shadow, the jedi are blinded by light, the greys are not shrouded nor blinded
Couldn't have said it better myself! I'm a gray Jedi by nature.
@@deadlysword1000 is it gray or grey or gary
@@deadlysword1000 I’m a dark Jedi by nature
@@Fattipotato79
I’m a Master Gary Jedi then,
“A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away... there was a Jedi who lived in a pineapple under the sea, his name was Gary and he was enslaved by a horrible person named Spongebob who fed him waterlogged snail food everyday. But, it was discovered that he could use the force and both the Jedi and the Sith came for him - Gary fled while two lightsaber wielding jackasses tore up the pineapple fighting for the right to take him, one had a crimson blade the other was blue as the sea itself.
The two introduced themselves, one was Darth Planktin and the other was Master Krabs ... they fought until they finally realized that Gary had gotten away ... this is where Gary’s story begins, with an epic battle and chase to see who takes him on as an apprentice, we can only hope that Gary will get to decide for himself his own path in life.”
@@Abracastabya AMAZING where can u watch the movie
I don’t believe Qui Gon was a grey Jedi. I believe he was a true Jedi since he was a servant of the force while the Jedi order were servants of the senate.
Only reason that he is called a Grey Jedi because he is a mavrick. but he like the rest of the Jedi order is devoted to the light side.
Qui Gon had two apprentice that turned sith and one jedi. I think he is grey jedi
@@DeathScepter And we can see for ourselves what being a one-sider has got the Jedi.
@@TheGoldenWildcat Lasting over 1,000 years is feat unto itself. If you think practicing both sides is a good thing, then you miss the point of Star Wars and the essence of being a True Jedi. Xantoes a former student of Qui Gon is at best a Dark Jedi or a Dark Sider with a Lightsaber. For he forsaken Jedi Training and the light side entirety. Sith is being of a higher quality than your run of the mill dark sider. being a grey sider will make your force abilities weaker overall and ineffective against Dark Siders and Light Siders in general. Banite Sith had to make a very detail oriented plan that expanded over 1,000 years to hope ever stopping the Jedi. Also Star Wars would be very boring if Jedi were grey and neutral like you want them to be.
Insert Paplatine laugh
There is no Light side,
There is no Dark side,
There is only the Force.
Yes
I love how Grey Jedi can start a argument online faster then a political comment. While they aren't cannon, yet, if you look back at legends information they are what the jedi started as.
Canon*
(spoilers) Star Wars IX made them canon again
I actually love the Grey Jedi concept. It's like necessary evil for good things, and necessary good for evil things. Like Anti-Hero and Anti-Villain... .
basically deadpool of starwars
girlthats me yup pretty much XD
Ignorance
The grey (blue collar) jedi
It’s the true, real balance of force
I like the grey Jedi. They're proof that the light and dark sides of force aren't inherently good or evil but rather sides of the same coin. Without both the force could not exist. I've love to see more done with them, but this may be too advanced for the likes of Disney these days.
Way too advanced my dude. They can't even do legacy characters right
@@BathysphereMechanic Agreed. lol
No such thing as a Grey jedi
@@raymarshall7779 Oh STFU. Only morons say there is no grey jedi. Dont sit there and tell me people are only light or dark. Look t the D&D game set and all the alignments there. STFU that there is no grey jedi
@@raymarshall7779 The original Jedi were grey jedi. They used both sides of the force.
Does BBY stand for “Before Baby Yoda?”
Probably
But seriously, I think is Before Battle of Yavin
no, isn't baby yoda like 800BBY?
@@alicaljungberg3742 No the series takes place like 5 ABY
@@G5349 Actually, more around 9 ABY
I think its 50BBY
I would have to say that if they were to introduce the "Grey Jedi", it may rekindle my interest in Star Wars. Blind faith to any extreme obviously leads to destruction, we see this in our own Real Life History. So ya, I'd dig it. True Neutral is always my play-style.
Some Grey Jedi themselves believe in extremes. "True Neutral" does not often mean "take no sides".
I'm more of a chaotic neutral myself
I prefer destruction to grey nonsense.
As Atton Rand said: They're all Jedi to the common folks, wielding light sabers and using the force.
Nñ
Yup
thats deep when I think about it. Daiim gotta replay me some old school sw soon
That's a good reflection of common ignorance that targets minority groups
@@steve8610 omg lol
6:15
I love it how the Grey Jedi code absolutely blows the others out of the freaking water. That's gotta be the coolest set of words to ever come out of the Star Wars universe.
Isn’t “only a Sith deals in absolutes” a statement of absolutes?
The horse shoe of the force
It's the irony that Obi-Wan realizes in his isolation
paradox
Keep it in context...Anakin said "you are either with me or against me." and Obi-wan's response to THAT was "Only a Sith DEALS in absolute."
Absolutes exist in nature there is no escaping it, despite how you to want to try and bend the rules. The key word here is "deals" as in only the Sith deals in "yes" and "no" and don't question the in between, they have a very binary response and do not see the implications nor the complications of their own actions due to their own arrogance, rage and pride.
The Jedi will also embrace the dark side in their training and will allow it to certain degrees but only Master Jedi are allowed to undergo this training (Mace Windu with his Form 7 variation of Vaapad). Also the fact that there are Grey Jedi allowed to exist in the academy (Oui-Gon Jinn) shows they are not as restrictive as the Sith in terms of knowledge.
If you take it out of context then it sounds like a contradiction but you have to understand that the Jedi are also not perfect and they were written as such, they are blinded by their dogmatic ways and are so persistent on upholding their "truths" when that is just a perspective to another and not the ultimatum. With that, the Jedi do not deal in absolutes but are more guided by blind faith which can be equally as bad.
“Mostly a Sith deals in absolutes” doesn’t sound as cool
The Jedi: Heroes who lived long enough, to see themselves become the villain.
That's only true, "from a certain point of view."
What did the Jedi ever do that was evil. This whole comment thread is ugly and backwards.
@@Prince_the_One They never came to see themselves as evil but flawed. Well Qui Gon, Obi Wan and even Yoda came to see it that way.
@@Prince_the_One They restricted emotion. They became a military. They stole children and trained them from a young age away from their family.
@@krishnashukla4382 Yep, they forgot who they were in the first place.
Gray Jedi embrace both the light and dark side powers and use their abilities to keep one side from gaining power over the other. As he stated in the video, there are many different versions of the Gray Jedi Code. Here is my personal favorite:
"There must be both dark and light. I will do what I must to keep the balance, as the balance is what holds all life. There is no good without evil, but evil must not be allowed to flourish. There is passion, yet peace; serenity, yet emotion; chaos, yet order. I am a wielder of the flame; a champion of balance. I am a guardian of life. I am a Gray Jedi."
*claps*
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this the code Nox invented in "In all things Balance"? The only difference is the Gray Jedi part at the end.
Yeah this would've made me a Grey Jedi.
@ItoMadWorld I think what it means by flourish is not to let it run rampant like a government with almost completely corrupt officials. Evil needs to struggle while they won't be close to dying they need to be kept in check.
I was telling my friend, who is a MASSIVE Dtar Wars fan, a few months back that I wouldn't want to be a Jedi or a Sith, because I don't agree with either of their codes. That's when he introduced me to the concept of the Grey Jedi.
I looked for this video to learn more about them, and was amazed at how, without knowing anything about them, my morals perfectly align with the Grey Jedi code.
This video was super informative and interesting. Thanks so much for putting this together!
Thank you for watching! Glad to hear you enjoyed learning more about them!
Grey Jedi = open minds and open hearts!
There must be both dark and light. I will do what I must to keep the balance, as the balance is what holds all life. There is no good without evil, but evil must not be allowed to flourish. There is passion, yet peace; serenity, yet emotion; chaos, yet order. I am a wielder of the flame; a champion of balance. I am a guardian of life. I am a Gray Jedi.
Darren Hughes I love that version of the gray jedi code.
Greetings brother.
only people who live in the dark ascribe to it being a necessary part of life
there is no need for conflict
@@crossface5710 I am a guardian of ballance. In situations where there is no gentleness without violence I understand that violence is necessary. If someone comes to my home threatening my family I will use violence to protect them because it's necessary.
Grey* Jedi
The jedi and the sith are evil. The shwartz is the only true path!
Why haven't you gotten more likes for this. May the Schwartz be with you. From the mighty words of yogurt
Where's pizza the hut?
That depends on whether you embrace the Upside or the Downside :)
@@MisterTutor2010 How about the Inside and the Outside? Or the Thisside and Thatside? Leftside and Rightside? Why must there only be 2 sides?
@@MrStrikecentral You'll have to ask Mel Brooks about questions pertaining to Spaceballs Canon :)
As soon as I heard about the Grey Jedi, I thought, “Qui Gon Jinn fits that description. I wonder if he is one.”
He was. And he still became a force ghost.
He wasn't, he was the only jedi following the jedi code to the word, that's why he became a force ghost.
he wasnt a complete grey jedi, but he was sort of a free spirit in the order, which is why they didnt want him in the counsel. but his free spirit would have made him the perfect master for young anakin and everything would have turned out completely different.
There's no such thing as as grey Jedi. There are force users who will use both the light and the dark but they are just force users.
If you believe that, then why did you click on this video?
I think that the grey jedi will be the final destination of the force users of star wars, because if anakin truly did balance the force by his sacrifice, then that means equal light AND dark. As long as the jedi and the sith both exist they will clash, and if only one exsists then it would mean the balance was toppled one way or the other. Eventually, the gray jedi will become the dominate faction, able to keep peace by balancing serenity with emotion.
Interesting theory, and would love to see if it comes true in Episode XI!
darkAwesome100 No. The grey is going to be resolved through refined Jedi sight.
Yea... Cuz killing one old evil man balance the last 20 yrs that started with killing babies...
No Anakin did for a short period bring balance to the force when he killed the emperor if you look at the last movie before the force awakens what you'll find is that when Luke fought his father he had a moment where he use the Darkside when he drawed upon his anger to defeat his father and when he had the chance to kill him refuse to do so, considering he had the urge to kill his father when he threatened to use his sister and use her as part of the Empire to join the Dark Side, and with him killing the emperor he returned to his former State as a Jedi but then died leaving only a gray Jedi Luke Skywalker.
Although one could argue that Anakin was a grey Jedi because he although he stayed in the light when he was in the Jedi Order he did use Darkside methods and go against some of the Light Side teachings while trying to preserve peace in the galaxy before his fall to the dark side.
Actually I think the whole purpose of the Skywalker family was to show the Galaxy how to stay balanced in both the light and the dark side of the force and create an entity or organization of force users that kept the force in Balance but we all know how that turned out it'll be interesting to see what Disney does with the franchise.
the narrator dont forget luke also force choked miss piggies and kermit the frogs bastard children who wer working as guards in jabas palace.....yeah i know they are gamorreans but i always thought thats what Kermit amd the pigs kids would look like
They reintroduced grey jedi huh?
Grey Jedi: you couldnt live with your own failure, where did that bring you? Right back to me
Typical Disney thing xD
It's like Stat Wars IX overall
100th like broh
Proof that disney doesn't know how to propely deal with Star Wars.
Couldn't Revan be considered the ultimate Grey Jedi?
YES!
Revan was insane. His was virtually schizophrenic .
Dark Scholar YAS
Only after he experienced both extremes.
helicopter201 and after he was tortured by the sith empire and was killed
Grey Jedi: A force sensitive user who didn’t want to follow the rules of the Jedi order, but also isn’t evil. An ally to the Jedi.
if a grey jedi is truly grey, can they call themselves jedi?
@@DeathScepter no
Implies there are Grey Sith too, and that would make for some interesting storytelling.
@@rey_nemaattori Just refer to them as the Grey. An umbrella term or category for all Force sensitive groups or paths that are not the Jedi or Sith.
@@DeathScepter If can can call fallen jedi dark jedi, there can be grey jedi. So say there cant be is stated by ignorant people
I don't like Disney's new Canon, I prefer the original Lucasfilms Canon, but I hope the Grey Jedi have a big role in the near future, especially if the Yuzhaan Vong (hope I spelled that right) are coming...
Yes to the Grey Jedi, not so sure about the Vong though. That may get a little too crazy for people.
@@ReadyComicsRoll Yeah, I didn't grow up with the Expanded Universe, I only understood Star Wars after Disney made the new canon. I've heard about the Vong, but too be honest, it is too strange. I'm glad that Disney is re-canonizing some things, but others need to be accepted as too strange. Sorry, Vong, but you guys are just too weird! Now, gray jedi on the other hand...
@@almondpotato9483 be gone foul demon those that call the new disney crap cannon need to go back under their rocks
Three Fair nothing Disney ever makes can ever truly be Canon they didn't make Star Wars a company can't make anything only people can and George Lucas made Star Wars so forever and always the only one who can ever truly deem anything Canon is George Lucas
Yuuzhan Vong
I actually thought Luke Skywalker was a Grey Jedi especially when he was using dark side abilities such as force choke
That's not necessarily a dark side ability, it's just that Dark Siders were the ones who mostly used it.
They retconed it so he did not use Force choke but yes at one time lukes jedi were gray
I prefer view Luke as the first “true” Jedi since Qui-Gon and the Old Republic. The point of the Prequels were that the Jedi by that time deserved to be destroyed. Luke, on the other hand, had emotions and relationships beyond being a Jedi but still never fell to the Dark Side and became more powerful and wise than Yoda, Palpatine, or even his father could’ve been.
I would love to see Revan become canon, he has almost become cannon twice, once during the clone wars and again in Rebels I would love to see the most respected and revered Gray Jedi become canon.
Peace and Passion gives me Strength
Strength and Knowledge gives me Power
Power and Serenity gives me Harmony
Through Harmony, I gain Victory
Through balance the force sets me free
You're not the only one! Revan is one of my favorite Force Adepts of ALL TIME! - Anthony
Didn't revan get mentioned at all?
@@demowolf8622 Revan is mentioned in the Knights of the old republic games but its not known wither or not Revan is cannon.
@@deathstar6998 Not just mentioned, you play as him in one of the games.
@@SchrollShepard Yes I know that
If you think about it in Legends continuity Luke Skywalker is also kind of a Grey Jedi, mainly because he stated to his order that there is no good or evil technique of the force, it just depends on how you use it. Not to mention he was able to use techniques of the force that most Jedi from the past wouldn't even use ever because they are basically dark side based techniques. In fact I even made up a Star Wars character myself who was raised by a Jedi for lack of a better term hated the old system of the Jedi Order and kind of felt grateful that the Empire destroyed it.
Jedi=True Lawful
Sith=True Chaotic
Grey Jedi=True Neutral
I would think:
Jedi = Lawful Good
Sith = Lawful Evil with chaotic tendencies
Grey Jedi = True Neutral with good tendencies.
The Sith aren't chaotic, though. The codes of each group was based on emotions.
Sith: Heavily divulge in emotions
Jedi: Pretend emotions don't exist
Grey Jedi: "Don't get mad, get Glad (trash bags)"
"I fight for neutrality!"
@@2eleven40 This is why I think the words "Lawful" and "Chaotic" were bad words to choose when whomever created the alignment spectrum, but those are the words nonetheless.
A better way to explain it is: Lawful = places group goals/values over self interests. Chaotic = places self goal/values over group interests.
With that context Sith would be fairly Chaotic.
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@@WillUleimi Lawful is understood as belonging to a group, structure or system, and is in perfect alignment with the Jedi "Order". The Sith on the other hand, are truly "chaotic" in nature - living only for their own self interest and power. Their only "order" exists to pass along knowledge to an apprentice (a form of subjugation and personal power) and to fight the Jedi, which makes their grouping together more of a confederacy than a true institution, whereas the Jedi are, by their very nature, deeply institutionalized and hierarchical.
I would add to the list above, as presented by Death Shock:
Jedi = Lawful
Sith = Chaotic
Grey = Neutral
Then you have to factor in *how* each force sensitive uses their power...
Moral = Good
Immoral = Evil
Natural = Neutral
The interesting thing about the Grey Jedi, is that they most closely imitate who we are as human beings, albeit with "Phenomenal Cosmic Powers" (I can say that right, since Disney owns LucasFilm?). I have maintained for decades that the balance to the force is exactly what the Greys represent - the full power spectrum of the Force, without the fallacies and failings of the two extremes. Luke bested Vader only when he allowed Vader to goad him into tapping into the Dark Side, albeit briefly. His passion gave him the ability to overpower him. His internal morality allowed him to pull back from completely annihilating him. This is also what made Vader/Anakin so powerful to being with. He had experienced great sorrow and loss and was determined to not let it happen to those he loved - his Mother and Wife. In the end, it was his love for his Son that saved him.
So passion can serve, so long as its not self-interested.
There is a grey Jedi in “canon” Qui-Gonn Jin is a grey jedi. Rewatch the Phantom Menace and carefully listen to his teaching instruction of the “living force” to Obi-wan and later to Anakin.
Markus Darkraven Ahsoka is also a grey Jedi in Rebels. She openly accepts hatred and revenge while still balancing it with peace and light.
@@kingblackthorn4195 and in clone wars
@@RandoLePerson well Anakin really was the balance bringer from the prophecy so yeah, he should be considered as a grey Jedi... If you interpret it in other ways it may seem that Luke is the balance himself and thus making him a grey Jedi, but yeah you can still consider both of them grey Jedi because Anakin still turned his back from siths
There's no such thing as grey Jedi and Qui-Gon certainly wasn't one. You can have force users who use both light and dark but they aren't Jedi, you have to follow the teachings and rules of the Jedi order to be called a Jedi.
@@quigonlynn1 This would be disregarding the fact that originally, the Jedi practiced both. It was only during the time after the first split that the new "Order" decided to change its teachings to what we got in the movies. This was due to their fear of the darkside which in itself contradicts the whole "No emotions" aspect. True Jedis are practitioners of balance. The ones we got in the order where extremists who are in part at fault for the sith constantly rising up.
Regardless of weather or not Revan was a grey/light Jedi or sith. He's my absolute favorite character, including Darth Nihilus. Hands up if y'all agree 🙋👍
Same here, Revan and Nihilus.
I like to consider the Grey Jedi as the neutral faction, with the OG Jedi Lawful and Sith Chaotic (to a degree, not everything is black and white for Jedi or Sith. "ironic") but essentially, Grey Jedis don't devote themselves to either side, and with this, I like to think that they dont necessarily form a faction of their own, but that one each Grey Jedi are their own faction individually.
They would be the type of people neither the Jedi nor the Sith would approve, and the Grey Jedi are often wandering across the Galaxy solo, there's no set destination for the Grey Jedi, there is only the flow between the Force, life, the admittance of ones own darkness but the strength to work with it, not be consumed by it.
This could also mean that Grey Jedi wont have as much power as either a Sith or a Jedi who devote themselves to their respective side, but Grey Jedi have the greatest wisdom and understanding of both sides and that they rely on their own hard earned skills that can have them go toe-to-toe with Sith or Jedi, but neither overwhelm nor be underwhelmed in power - a truly balanced and neutral group.
But that's just my tidbit, I'm not at all familiar with Star Wars unlike the OG fans, I just love the lore of this series so much. I might start a movie marathon and delve deep into the fandom sometime in the future.
And overall, just certain Force sensitive individuals who just want to live their lives away from a toxic dichotomy.
If you enjoyed this video, be sure to check out my breakdown as to why Stormtroopers have "bad aim."
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Also, I know a lot of people get caught up on the term "Jedi" within Grey Jedi, but please understand that what I speak of is a Force Adept who finds balance, either in using both abilities powers that draw from the light and the dark, or neither source at all.
This video provides examples of groups and characters that fall within this category, from both Legends/EU and New Canon, while still using the established term "Grey Jedi", at least until a better term comes along.
Remember that the Force is the Force, and that not all abilities/powers come from the light or dark aspects of it, such as push, pull, slam, and mind trick. - Anthony
the grey jedi are the true Jedi's and true sith they are both evil and good they are the balance.
Cool
:)
I think you are correct people are getting hung up on that and technically they are correct to do so. You see there is no such thing as a gray Jedi. You're either a Sith or a Jedi and if you leave either order looking for balance in the middle then you are not that anymore and can no longer be called that. So we should be referring to them simply as a gray, not a gray Jedi
well i believe that they are grey Jedi but yeah if want to be called grey that's great but to me i believe that their is only the force not two different sides those sides are how people use the force is just one of all it could dark or light its u and other that before those side to be on, soon u will be pulled to other side but the balance of none temptation of ether when u are bound between both.
Qui-gon wasn’t a grey Jedi, he was a traditional Jedi that followed the will of the force.
The traditional Jedi back to the Je'Dah order were grey in nature as they understood and practised both sides of thr force. So no, you are wrong. Quigon was in essence a Grey Jedi.
I like the idea of Grey Jedi... I have always disliked the idea that people cannot use the Dark Side for good as it corrupts you but the Light side does not (silly).
Mace windu is using his inner darkness and his opponent's darkness
That is his form 7
I remember in Jedi academy Luke said “remember no power is inherently good or bad, it just depends on how you use it” or something like that
@@grandhierophantkhatep685 - Yeah they contradict themselves sometimes... but using the Dark Side is seen to corrupt you and make you full on kill kids evil from what we have been shown.
@@lag00n54 - Yeah I have heard about his form and how it skirts the line... but still is not using the actual Dark Side of the force.
Game Loot Well if anyone here has watched ROS you would say Rey and even Ren are good examples of grey Jedi’s
"This video is probably already long enough." I don't know man, I got sucked in, and wanted to hear more.
"Light = Good"
"Says who?"
"Dark = Evil"
"Again...says who? all i am hearing are opinions and points of view."
its just a saying light =good dark= evil. meaning those who did evil was considered dark.
Light =fight for others
Dark= fights for self
I'm not a super fan but that's my understanding of it
Alex Ondrus Light- isolation of emotions, stealing kids, telling them the lies that sadness is bad and leads to being bad.
@@cronic1866 That's an opinionated answer to me. Ones point of view determines if it is good or evil. People can do bad things for what they say is for the greater good, but which actions will they take to get there and will they be thought of as good or evil? whether someone is good or bad is usually left to the empathy of others when they view of their actions.
@@Istangr2784 your answer is opinionated. have you ever done something bad for a good cause? Does that make one selfish or evil? Have you ever heard of someone doing something good, but others say it is bad? It boils down to your point of view.
Luke (in the EU) I thought was a Gray Jedi. He did alter a LOT of the classic Jedi codes (allowed Jedi to have families and had one of his own, trained and befriended Kyle Katarn who used light/dark powers).
I remember reading a book back in the day (can't remember which one) where it said that Luke (at the end of ep6) was a grey Jedi because he accepted his emotions (not giving up on Vader), dressed in all black and used Force Choking (which was a typical dark side of the force), but he obviously still had a strong moral compass
Really which book did you learn this from
Hella interest in this. Where can I read it ?
All hail to Revan!
The greatest Force user!
DARTH JAR JAR MUST BE STOPPED, AT ALL COST!
Félix A.G Meesa gonna destroys yew all cuz meesa called Darth Jar Jar and meesa is da mostest bombad warrior in da Force!!
he found a better balance, ying yang
I think calling Revan a grey jedi is underestemating him. Grey jedi find a balance between light and dark sides, Revan didn’t so much find balance as much as MASTER both fully.
As far as the concept goes, it's more realistic. And satisfying. Like you said life isn't always black and white. There are often shades of gray. Many people live they're whole lives in the gray. They are wise to as well.
Jedi errors
Emotion: they shape the living world, fear can help self preservation, love is fueling the expansion of life in sentient species, and although some people can do horrible things out of love, other will stand by their morals for the same reason
Ignorance: contradicts some philosophy of the jedis, that a master is still a learner all his life. Without ignorance you would live on certitudes, because "you know". Ignorance can make you question things
Passion: pass, sounds like a repeat of the emotion vs peace line
Chaos: chaos tails order like its shadow. The universe was born out of chaos, with many random events building slowly into order. even the Force visions proves chaos is part of the force, since Yoda himself warns Luke how moving the future is, uncertain
Death: maybe your death doesn't mean much to you as a Jedi because you join the Force afterwards, but that means the weaker beings lost someone to defend them. I feel that the Jedi ranks dwindled because of their " save everyone at all time" mentality
Sith errors
Peace is a lie.
This alone is flawed. The Sith have spent so many years wasting their strenght, power, victories to jump at eachother's throat. You could even say Bane aknowledged peace and its benefits: he hid the Sith from the Jedis's sight for centuries, using peace as a way to mellow their vigilance, then unleashed the right amount of chaos when everything was ready through Sidious.
Disney isn't canon in my heart that is what matters.
They're not true star wars
Theyre stories never extisted for me.
They're parodies
@@BringDHouseDown spoof horror movies lol
Fanservice
The history of the je’daii need to be known and brought back
Was wondering if I'd find anyone mentioning the je'daii in the comments. They were always my favorite bit of lore.
Thats what defines a true fan of star wars the lesser known lore
My only beef with the gray jedi is that they break the melodramatic structure that made Star Wars so enjoyable in the first place but I think that it's really fitting for the times we're living in for the expanded SW (or SW as it expands) acknowledges that a balance is the true way rather than ultimate good and ultimate evil
One of my favorite Je'daii analogies is this one and it perfrctly sums up Grey Jedi:
The Force is like a giant tree. What branches you choose to climb determines your path of the Force but keep true to it and you will ultimately reach the canopy of enlightenment
I thought that the Last Jedi movie was perfectly leading up to the development of the Grey Jedi in new canon when Rey and Kylo were having those mental links and joined forces in the battle against Snoke and his guards. It was a shame when nothing eventuated and some of the worst plot decisions followed shortly after when that avenue was abruptly cut off. I would have really enjoyed both Kylo and Rey sharing both sides of the force enacting their will of balance between the two conflicting factions as a third party.
I had the same impression when watching the movie i still hope they have rey go gray
Kyle Katarn's interpretation is probably the most logical conclusion to make. There is no 'side' to the Force, there is just the Force. The dark or light comes from the person wielding it.
50 shades of grey jedi.
Ha! I see what you did there!
Actually I didn't see the movie/read the book. Not even a trailer :)
lol
Same, i just hear of it everywhere
All i know is that it's a romance story
@@NoOnesIdea most of us haven't and we still get it yet even 590 shades of grey jedi is a conservative number
Video was put together very well with great narration.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it and hope you hang around for more!
In the light, there is a darkness and in the darkness, there is a light. It is the way of us all. Strive to live in balance.
Very well said!
So be neither selflessness nor selfish...somehow?
Be "human". Do the best you can, but realize that there will be times where tough decisions may need to be made.
This is just part of a quote from Ketu.
Here is the real quote:
"In the light, there is a darkness and in the darkness, a light. It is the way with us all. Be a prisoner of neither Bogan nor Ashla. Strive to live in balance. As Tython itself teaches us, it is dangerous to do otherwise. And the danger is there-always."
- Ketu, of the Je'daii Order (Je'daii Temple Master of Akar Kesh, Great Temple of Balance, on Tython).
There is no such thing as "Grey/Gray Jedis". Force wielders who practice balance are the Je'daii.
That's what the Taijitu symbol is all about!
Hell this icon i'm using is also another form of that
Except it also expresses a double-sided mind, someone who has mastered both sides, or two who became one
I like the idea of a gray jedi order becoming cannon, it will allow them to give their universe depth and open whole new stories for them and make things work that may not have been able to before.
No.
@@grimlord3181 yes
@@shdwfxgamerz7667 Whatever.
There is no light without dark, there is no love without anger, there is no order without chaos. All must be kept in balance.
I think both the Jedi and Sith code is wrong in a way
Exactly!
Oh yeah, both codes can lead some people towards the wrong path.
Howdy there hungry boii
Darth Nihilus But you’re a Sith Lord yourself! The Sith always betray one another to see who’s the Strongest, Powerful & Feared. The Jedi are the opposite who protect those who cannot defend themselves & helped those who fell to the Dark Side into bringing them back to the Light Side Like when Revan when he fell to the Dark Side he reclaimed his old Idenity as the Hero who won the Mandalorian War. & he ended the War between the Republic & Sith Empire he started by defeating his old Apprentice Darth Malak & Destroying the Star Forge.
The Lord of Hunger, --intheflesh-- I mean, in his cloak! Peace be to you, oh awesome one!
👏🏽 BRING 👏🏽 GREY 👏🏽 JEDI 👏🏽 INTO 👏🏽 CANON
YES. PLEASE.
Abby Simon they will in new canon, or at least trying too.
Abby Simon not really I don’t want to make this cannon at least until we have Luke back... this shit with the new characters were complete shit...
Abby Simon he’ll the movie director fucked up the new trilogy... they tried to pushed an sjw agenda... I hate it... Luke wasn’t supposed to die in the movie and yet they made it so making a view point to ruin a beautiful franchise for sjw propaganda...
Mr PumperKnuckles disney wanted to make some cash 🙄
I lived my youth according to Jedi code swearing oath to obey the code under a higher authority, I was so good at it I reached to the top, where life loses its purpose. Without any Purpose, I lost my motivation. To obtain my motivation back, I studied and used the dark side. Dark side widened my perspective and made realize this higher authority I once served was actually a Sith inside behaving like a Jedi outside. What I have learned is that each and every Force user has to master both sides to brake the chains from both teachings and become truely free. Only then a Force user reaches who they really are; where bring good or bad loses its importance but other characteristics become more important... Now I wander around wondering when to use what side of the force; which gives me a headache. But this headache of " responsibility of freedom" I will Always prefer above bring a slave of any Codes...
What type of a Force user does this story make me?
starkiller is by far my favorite starwars character, he needs a movie
Jar Jar needs a movie too.....
Grey Jedis are the true Jedis, or the original Je'daii's
Very nice concept
I feel like Starkiller would be a grey
He mentioned that in the video
Yes i like him so much😫
My biggest concern about Grey Jedi is that they will strip the Star Wars canon of nuance.
The Jedi are flawed, and the Sith are flawed... And that makes them interesting. I worry that fans are trying to make a version of a force user with no downsides, who can access to all the awesome powers of the Sith, and the justice of the Jedi, with no tradeoffs.
And that is why they are a stupid concept.
Agreed, I would love a moral and accepted middle group but they should have their own flaws and drawbacks.
They do *have* tradeoffs. You can't serve two masters at the same time, lest he failed both.
I would actually disagree, because as apossed to it being a choice of light versus dark, other motives would have to be introduced. The exile comes to mind, she consciously chose to sever her connection to the force, for her own reasons, this could still happen if she was gray. Watching someone have a decline, resorting to more extreme measures, but rather than having the excuse of saying yes the dark side, they would have to live with their own action, and they would have to acknowledge that it is them perpetrating these actions. But then, them being a Destination still would be interesting.
Uhm no, having to both use the light and dark sides of the Force without succumbing to both of them takes its toll on anyone. Its literally real life. You have to accept the good and bad times in your life without succumbing to just a stagnant or a indulging life that leads to death.
Where are my gray Jedi's at?
RIGHT HERE!
Shayan Hush
Right here
I feel like the Gray Jedi is the direction that Star Wars is heading to...
I wish to bad people hated The Last Jedi to much now it’s all recon and it’s back to light and dark
robbiesilverwolf People disliked the last Jedi because it was a shit movie and had a shit director
@@Prometheus7272 Kathleen Kennedy ruined Star Wars more than JJ and Rian. Leave it with Dave Filoni, Jon Favreau, and Taika Waititi.
If I was a Force user, I’d be a Gray Jedi. The teachings of the Jedi and Sith are both unrealistic.
You would just be a force user. You wouldn't be a Jedi.
@Shayan
They're both extremist ideals, while the Grey Jedi's balance in between. Basically the Grey Knights have common fuckin sense.
@@CEBph5997
The Grey Jedi are not canon. Grey Jedi make as much sense as a Grey Sith. Sith and Jedi are ultimately just philosophies. You can be entirely immersed in one side without being a Jedi or Sith like the Nightsisters for example.
The light side is the force in balance while the dark side is the force out of balance.
The light side is about channeling the actual will of the force while the dark side of the force is about bending the force to your will to accomplish your own personal ambitions.
Ahsoka never utilizes the dark side of the force neither does Qui-Gon.
Ahsoka is just a light-sided force user. Anakin doesn't become gray at the time of his death. He is on the light side again.
I would be a jedi, through and through, don't care how "unrealistic" their teaching may seem. I don't need to shut off emotions, only control them. That's the part people miss about the jedi. They don't encourage the removal of emotions, but to have control over them.
I would be a jedi for like 5>10 years and see the Fult with it and then embrace being a gray force user that's what I think would happen if I was sent to star wars
I liken a grey Jedi to a spiritual person who doesn't follow a certain religion.
Atheism is just a guy with a blaster lol
@@drippylad3973 I wouldn't mind owning a blaster, great addition to my Grey lightsaber
Ha I knew it. Haven't watched it yet but I kinda guessed the Grey Jedi will be introduced since either Rey will be turned Sith or become Grey thus titled "Last Jedi". I always loved the concept of walking between the force that was very prominent in VGs. Not only did it make for a great branching mechanic for choices and outcomes, it also becomes a great moral dilemna for the protagonist/antagonist themselves which is also why anti-hero stories are very good.
Aron Estabillo Exactly! Also, a "Grey Jedi" doesn't even have to be an anti-hero or edge lord. All "Grey Jedi" really means is balanced, and there is nothing wrong with that. Don't get the pushback from some fans on this subject, as it makes the Star Wars universe deeper and more complex, which makes for more interesting story telling. Also, as you pointed out, it has worked well for the EU books and video games. Let's see what the future holds.
I believe that qui gon being a grey Jedi is a common mistake, he, in my eyes, was what a true Jedi should have actually been, let's not forget that the Jedi order at this point, and this is a fact, have lost their way, to go against the council isn't to be a grey Jedi, he goes against the Jedi because he sees the will of the force to outweigh the will of the council, I personally have never heard of him using any dark side abilities.
He actually used several dark side abilities, including becoming a force ghost, which was originally considered a dark side ability. In legends, he used force lighting and force deception. Both considered dark side abilities
@@nathanbaker677 I could be wrong but have never heard of him using dark side abilities in canon, legends has a lot of strange things in it. Same with force ghosts, in canon as far as I know no one who was a darkside user, especially a sith, has become a full fledge force ghost, not just situational/random manifestations through relics or hatred. If you know of him using dark side abilities in canon I'm all ears
@@megatallica100 it was canon originally, but Disney destroyed that
He followed the will of the Force-but the Force made him with emotions.
He acted on his feelings to free Anakin, and given time would probably have checked on Shmi when Anakin had nightmares. Whether or not he told Anakin about the Tuscan Raiders or any rescue that happened.
To be purely Light would require him to repress his feelings, to be purely Dark would require him to be ruled by them.
He did neither, and acknowledged Anakin's, and Shmi's, feelings as valid.
That's not a Dark side ability, and that's not a Light side ability.
That's the Greyest Jedi I've ever seen.
I like the Je'daii Order, I'd probably go so far as to say I like them better than the Jedi Order that we know of. The Jed'daii Order is the first grey jedi and I agree with that
“Here is natural instinct, and here is control. You are to put them together in harmony. If you have one to the extreme, you will become very unscientific. If you have another to the extreme, you will suddenly become a mechanical man, no longer a human being.” - Bruce Lee
I still I agree with the Sith philosophy more than any other: it's how that philosophy was played out which I disagree with. If you examine the Sith code, irrespective of how the sith are portrayed: the code itself is an expression of freedom.
In the Sith code, only power matters. It does not care who you must crush to obtain that power. It inevitably leads to tyranny. Power has to be tempered by justice and mercy. It is a means, not an end by itself.
The freedom to make good choices or bad ones. American values no doubt.
I hope that this concept is developed more in the future.
It is just awesome in my opinion and probably the only way to end the constant Jedi Vs Sith wars: to return of their former Jeda'ii roots (at least in Legends).
I hate the Disney canon
But tbh Lucas canon wasn't my favorite either I've always just loved legends
Since I was a kid i LOVED the idea of something gray, I always saw the Jedi ways... useless, they were trying to do the best for everyone but they were too passive that's why I always liked Anakin he was something more, if you want to protect you have to be active sometimes, doing nothing is not the best way to bring peace of to bring safety, now that I'm an adult I still love the idea of the Gray Jedi lmao is just too good for me
Let's be honest... Jedi ways are like a religion or Smth
Absolutely agree. The grey jedi are definitely what makes sense!
No they make zero sense at all
@@benjaminpointdexter7280 Agreed. It's like saying that we need to have cancer on one side of our body, and a healthy part on the other side.
"There was no Light without the Dark.
Through Passion, I gain Focus.
Through Knowledge, I gain Power.
Through Serenity, I gain Strength.
Through Victory, I gain Harmony.
There is ONLY the Force."
- Grey Jedi Code
Why would parents even let their kids be taken.
Jedi: He/she is coming with me. *mind trick*
Parent: Okay
@Shayan They told Padme's parents that her twins were dead.
A Jedi mind trick would be no worse than straight-up kidnapping kids.
And Jedi do both those things very readily.
It was an honor to be a jedi
That was the right thing to do. Their lives would be in danger if the empire learned about them. Must I remind you that the sith hunted force sensititves to torture and train in the dark side. Fallen Order, anyone?
That’s not how it works, mind trick can be resisted with a strong will, parents love for their kids would indefinitely be more than enough will to resist it. Also, not every parent can care take their child. In a galaxy of trillions, there were only 10,000 Jedi at their height.
Cassandra Belyeu so if their parents were questioned they would be truthfully saying they were dead
I see certain "Dark side" abilities as very effective (force lightning for example).
Starkiller is grey have you seen his force lighting
Chaotic Good Jedi😉
If we were playing a Tabletop RPG, sure. lol
KotOR is Star Wars meeting D&D, and while Jolee is pretending to be True Neutral, he's eventually revealed to be Chaotic Good.
C C Chaotic Good seems natural☺. I try to at least Good anyway, whatever the first half might be. In KotOR(and in TOR), I can never bring myself to go dark(feels forced, and I feel like an A), at worst I'd be 92% Light(except my main Sith Warrior, he's pure light😀).
@@wildside316 so your more of a rouge sith grey jedi kind of person?
@@LordDaroon Yup😀.
There is no light without the dark,
Through passion i gain focus
Through knowledge i gain power
Through serenity i gain strength
Through victory i gain harmony
There is only the force.
^ this is from Both jedi code and Sith code combined. And it literally means balance.
6:15 i don't know where you got that from but that was pretty lame.
Where did you get this from? I remember reading it somewhere but can't remember where exactly.
I was thinking the same. The one u posted is the main code the grey go by
The one in the video is much better than the one you posted.
I've looked at the codes in this video in a philosophical manner in relation to the actions of the their respective orders. Before today I didn't know there was a Grey Jedi code, but reading it and applying it to the actions of Grey Jedi I can honestly say that was one of the most honest codes to date. Aside from the Sith code, which is extremely honest to one's believes and goals that one wishes to achieve by any means necessary, the Grey Jedi actually have something solid. The Jedi's code is fundamentally flawed on just about every level, its hard to fight to protect someone without feeling something. A duty or a responsibility may be one thing, but to be effective one must have something worth fighting for. A passion or something that comes close to an actual emotion, this has served the Sith extremely well in duels against other Jedi. However the issue there is they let their emotions run ramp-id, best comparison would be a berserker. Incredibly strong and powerful, but undisciplined and exploitable. Jedi have composure, but too much can impede their judgment to a degree. Grey Jedi don't fall into these extremes, while they have composure they can still draw from their emotions at specific times to increase their abilities greatly. In addition to keeping a level a head and a cool composure, in this instance think of Shaolin Monks. While still having the Buddhist views of the world, they do not shy away from standing their ground. Nor would they be completely above taking action in their own hands should it be absolutely necessary to attack in order to protect. Jedi would fall more in line with Buddhist priests, with some self-defense training. They tend to keep to themselves more often, Grey Jedi can as well but also will strike out without hesitation nor some kind of permission from a council of sorts should the situation be dire enough to warrant it. Jedi and at times Sith are bound by this as both have a ruling council, though in the defense of the Sith that's more like guidelines. They do whatever they want, so long as its for the best interest of the empire. Which is some what problematic in its own way with the in fighting as it is notorious for. But getting back on topic, Grey Jedi would have to undergo a level of training and conditioning to understand the intricacies of the force and far better emotional control when it comes to restraint. Far more intensive then Jedi Order could ever fathom.
Can’t forget Ferus Olin- imo the most underrated Jedi. He left the Jedi order before ever attaining the rank of Knight, which spared him from Order 66. His story is covered in The Last of the Jedi book series, which takes place between episodes III and IV. Ferus embarks on a quest to discover Sith holocrons to combine Dark and Light side techniques so he could become powerful enough to face Vader (as he and Anakin were bitter rivals while they were in the Jedi Order together), and put a stop to the Galactic Empire with his own small rebellion camped out on a remote asteroid. He never quite accomplished his mission, but through his journey became associated with Bail Organa and was tasked with watching over Leia on Alderaan, much like Obi-Wan (who was the actually catalyst for Ferus’s journey) would watch over Luke on Tatooine. Ferus would presumably die at the destruction of Alderaan in A New Hope.
Ferus Olin is one of my favorite characters from Legends and no one knows who he is. He was also arguably one of the first characters to provide some kind of LGBTQIA+ representation in the Star Wars universe. The Last of the Jedi was written for a slightly younger audience, but I highly HIGHLY recommend that any Star Wars fan read them. They’re quite short and very entertaining