Jack Kirby A New Life For A Fourth World

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    In this series we're going to be tackling a subject I've wanted to get to for a long while - Jack Kirby. In this finale to the Kirby series we look at Kirby's mysterious return to DC for the Superpowers comic books and talk a little bit about how that all came to pass as well as dive deep into the reasoning behind Kirby FINALLY being allowed to finish this Fourth World material during this period as well!
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  • @TheWrightDesign1
    @TheWrightDesign1 Рік тому +21

    I would like to see a video on Jack Kirby's romance comics. They Don't get talked about as much as it should IMO.

    • @reprintranch
      @reprintranch Рік тому +4

      Fun fact -- the work that's generally considered the first example of "Pop Art" -- that being Richard Hamilton's 1956 _Just What Is It That Makes Today's Home So Different, So Appealing?_ -- includes the cover of Young Romance issue 26 from 1950, with artwork by Simon and Kirby.

    • @JackbenImbel2274
      @JackbenImbel2274 8 місяців тому +1

      They were a bit stiff, perhaps because he was drawing them so fast, but they are definitely very mannikin looking, not at all like his later more fluid art.

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  8 місяців тому +1

      Same here. I think a lot of people have a difficult time separating his more action oriented comic book work and these romance books but they are absolutely killer in my opinion. I've been looking for some good sources on info for that period but even though they sold like hot cakes doesn't seem like many people asked him about that stuff when they could ask about Marvel etc. Trust me, once I get some sweet info on all those romance books though I'm on that one like white on rice!

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  8 місяців тому +1

      His work was always fluid when he wanted it to be in my opinion, I think he was actually shooting for a different kind of style with a lot of that Romance work. I could totally be off there but I think he didn't want to tamper with anatomy nearly as much and ended up inventing a different approach for himself that he would sometimes employ later on with oddball books as well. Agree, they're great stuff regardless for sure though

  • @adamfrey4920
    @adamfrey4920 Рік тому +20

    Every time Jerk goes a few weeks without a video, I worry he's retired. Good to know he's just deliberately spacing them out.

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  Рік тому +3

      It just takes a lot time, it's not so much deliberate as my life is in shambles and I can hardly keep the channel afloat with the meager views I get. If you've ever thought about supporting the channel now is the time - I'm on the verge of having to actually retire for a year or so and get a second night job which will kill these releases... Really appreciate the support and you checking out my stuff, means a lot to know people are actually watching and enjoying these!

    • @adamfrey4920
      @adamfrey4920 Рік тому +1

      @@JerkComic Wow, man. Good to hear from you. Hang in there--I do love your stuff. I drop your name in the comments on Comics by Perch every so often and note that you're a rare guy who loves comics for all the good, bad and weird.
      Somebody out there said that most podcasters quit after 20 episodes. You've already put yourself in the persistent 1 percent.

    • @robertheadley8561
      @robertheadley8561 Рік тому +1

      ​@@JerkComic ♡♡♡♡♡☆☆☆☆☆☆☆

    • @atheistsince1210
      @atheistsince1210 8 місяців тому +1

      I’ve now grown to rely on his scholarly knowledge I enjoy the art form and always new titles to explore he’s a treasure!

  • @guanoguy4800
    @guanoguy4800 Рік тому +16

    Love these Kirby videos you've done. The Sam Keith ones were amazing too.

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  Рік тому +1

      Thanks so much! This is basically the channel the Maxx built haha. Glad you dig the Kirby stuff as I knew I was gonna take a hit on views but man did I wanna tell this story

  • @damienfield8144
    @damienfield8144 Рік тому +7

    I would welcome another Jack Kirby video on other comics. I appreciate these long form history videos.

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  Рік тому +2

      Well then you'll be happy to know that the people have spoken and I'll definitely be doing some more stand alone Kirby episodes in the future.

  • @RockandrollNegro
    @RockandrollNegro Рік тому +6

    Good job, homie. Glad you didn't hide this behind the paywall, so broke brothers like me can still see it!

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  8 місяців тому +1

      Yeah I just can't bring myself to do that... I'm so freakin broke I know I'd be bummed out if one of my favorite creators was putting out a bunch of exclusive stuff and I couldn't afford it. Glad you enjoyed this and I seriously appreciate you taking the time to not just check it out but leave a comment, means a lot and helps out the channel a ton!

  • @itseldonthatweirdartist1720
    @itseldonthatweirdartist1720 Рік тому +6

    No excuses for Jack, Hats off to that Man

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  Рік тому +1

      Amen to this. Dude had more hustle and drive than a thousand normal men. The King is dead. Long live the king.

    • @w1-em4nq
      @w1-em4nq 7 місяців тому +1

      they are still living off his work.
      he added more to DC than the jealous editors. All i see is DC begging them.
      similar to what they did to Alan Moore.

  • @dwaynemuth8775
    @dwaynemuth8775 Рік тому +10

    Definitely MORE KIRBY! Jack has more than earned the attention he deserves! I first came across the KING with Avengers 11 and later the Hanna Barbera Fantastic 4 series and reading the comics from 1968 forward! New Gods was very ambitious and cut short just as the books were gearing up! New Gods 7 and Mr.Miracle 9 proves that out! Superman /Jimmy Olsen became more dynamic richer characters from the 70’s forward! John Byrne and Jerry Ordway & others definitely using that advantage! Jack is/was a Gatling gun of concepts and ideas and in my opinion is putting it mildly he and his wife/family deserves to be compensated for the BILLIONS of dollars the 2 sleepyhead giants have made off of his hard work ethic! Keep up the great work!❤️👍🎯⚡️

  • @johnjohnson1204
    @johnjohnson1204 Рік тому +7

    Jack was the best

    • @reprintranch
      @reprintranch Рік тому

      Agree 1 trillion percent. My all-time favorite comics artist. And though he worked in a juvenile entertainment medium, his work ethic and devotion to family ands country ought to earn respect from any grown-up who understands his life story.

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  Рік тому

      Amen to this!

  • @angelmanfredy
    @angelmanfredy Рік тому +4

    💯 more Kirby!
    Some things I would love to see…
    1. More details on time with Simon and other OG comic artists.
    2. Details on his time struggling for work when comics were semi-banned
    3. Romance comics!
    4. His relationship with Roz…by extension his kids and grandkids (and the grandchild who manages Kirby Continuum).
    5. Details on time working on Thundarr and other animated shows
    6. ANYTHING happy about Jack
    7. Finding and recounting/ analyzing Kirby’s interviews in paper, magazine, and radio.
    Your passion and narrative style are TOPS. Great work.

    • @reprintranch
      @reprintranch Рік тому

      I'd like to see a vid exploring Roz's inking for Jack -- didn't happen a lot, but she did some.

    • @angelmanfredy
      @angelmanfredy Рік тому +1

      @@reprintranch woah! Didn’t know that. Maybe she was the real artist and just carried Jack the whole time. 😆

    • @reprintranch
      @reprintranch Рік тому +1

      @@angelmanfredy There's a big interview with Roz from _The Jack Kirby Collector_ and in it she says she was a sickly kid and had to spend a lot of time indoors and took up sewing because her mom was a seamstress. Roz got good enough that she eventually was employed doing decorative sewing on lingerie, precision work that required considerable manual dexterity. So she had some skills that carried over to inking.
      Exactly how and why she started inking Jack's work, I'm not sure.

    • @angelmanfredy
      @angelmanfredy Рік тому

      @@reprintranch that’s super cool. By all accounts she was the absolute backbone of Jack.

  • @albertdale5101
    @albertdale5101 5 місяців тому +2

    John Morrow is continuing to share every nuance about King Kirby in the Jack Kirby Collector magazine!

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  5 місяців тому

      He is indeed! There's some questions about his objectivity when it comes to a few things and especially Roy Thomas following this latest Wolverine shenanigan but the JKC is a wonderful resource for sure!

  • @BogWraith1
    @BogWraith1 Рік тому +4

    There's never enough on Jack Kirby, so please continue your excellent work on the King!

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  Рік тому

      It'll be a while, got some other stuff but there's some indie Kirby and definitely some Romance coverage coming in the future. Really appreciate you taking the time to check this out means a lot and helps out the channel a ton you leaving a comment btw!

  • @jonathanwalker4937
    @jonathanwalker4937 Рік тому +3

    Of everything Kirby created for Fourth World Big Barda and Mister Miracle are my favorites.

  • @aluranthrope
    @aluranthrope Рік тому +3

    Damn it am I learning a lot about kirby from these videos, and that's not a bad thing

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  Рік тому

      No, no it's not, haha. Painful? Yes. Bad? No.

  • @starquack
    @starquack Рік тому +3

    Yes! Yes! More Kirby! The independent 80’s stuff and ANYTHING else that interests you. I love it!

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  Рік тому +1

      As you wish... gonna be fun getting into Pacific and I really want to highlight his romance books as well.

    • @mikejones2681
      @mikejones2681 Рік тому

      @@JerkComic Thanks! These videos are so well done.

  • @TheSpeedway99
    @TheSpeedway99 4 місяці тому +1

    I definitely want to see every possible video on Jack Kirby you can make.

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  Місяць тому +1

      I'm just now getting back on the bike and getting stuff together, but trust me - you haven't seen the last of Kirby on this channel, mwhahahaha! Seriously though, thanks for checking this out and especially leaving a comment, means a lot and helps out the channel a ton!

    • @TheSpeedway99
      @TheSpeedway99 Місяць тому

      @@JerkComic No problem. Keep up the great content!

  • @melissaross4563
    @melissaross4563 Рік тому +4

    been a long week. we will try and make it sorry if we pass out. ❤

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  Рік тому

      Hope all is going well for you and Mike, been thinking about ya lately!

  • @therussiancomicbookgeek
    @therussiancomicbookgeek Рік тому +2

    Heartbreaking 💔

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  Рік тому +1

      Well at least there was a happy ending 🙂 kind of...

  • @AceLM92
    @AceLM92 Рік тому +3

    This video was well timed. I've been on a big Kirby kick this last month

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  Рік тому +1

      Never a bad time for Kirby am I right? Thanks for checking this out and taking time to leave a comment means a lot and helps out the channel a ton!

    • @AceLM92
      @AceLM92 Рік тому

      @@JerkComic shyaw dude

  • @w1-em4nq
    @w1-em4nq 6 місяців тому +1

    Decades later
    Saboteurs and Backstabbers are ignored and apit on, Kirby's name still rings true.
    Everytime i come back to this video, i hate and love these comoanies.

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  6 місяців тому

      I think the FW stuff is FINALLY starting to get the love that it deserves but there's still so much contention about who did what and people either seem to love and respect Kirby or they worship Lee and see him as someone trying to horn in on his work and take credit for a bunch of stuff. It's been cool seeing stuff change and I hope it keeps going that way, at least Marvel finally had to pay up for using Kirby's stuff! Thanks so much for checking this out btw - means a lot and leaving a comment helps out the channel more than you know, so thanks again!

  • @TurtleTrackin
    @TurtleTrackin 4 місяці тому

    The whole idea of Miracle was analogous to Kirby's escape from Marvel. Even the conflict between New Genesis and Apokalyps could be interpreted as the conflict between DC and Marvel, with Orion being another avatar for Kirby- going to war with the world he came from.
    "Orion fights for Earth, and Kirby works for DC."

  • @ChristophersRants
    @ChristophersRants Рік тому +4

    Definitely want to know about the romance comics he did.

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  Рік тому +1

      Glad - I can't wait to talk about them, haha! I am gonna take a mauling on views for that one but I still can't wait to get to it, haha!

    • @ChristophersRants
      @ChristophersRants Рік тому

      @@JerkComic I found digital of all the romance comics works they are in volumes, I find this genre fascinating, like with other mediums romance aka soap opera genre has a huge influence today.

  • @TheBestComicKing
    @TheBestComicKing Рік тому +1

    Dude, I’ve enjoyed all of your deep dive on Jack Kirby. Your vids been very informative and educational to me.

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  Рік тому +1

      So glad! Really appreciate you taking the time to check it out and especially leaving a comment, means a lot and helps out the channel a ton!

  • @jimgillespie6109
    @jimgillespie6109 10 місяців тому +1

    Very interesting video. I was never aware that Kirby had been brought in for the toy designs. Good to know.
    This may be of interest to you: According to the UA-camr, Toy Guru, Mattel was once considering doing a line of New Gods figures. Eventually they decided to create their own characters, hence we got the Masters of the Universe and their (slightly Kirby-esque) animal-based vehicles. I first heard of the Masters in a brief mention on a letters page in the Superman team-up comic, DC Comics Presents, and thought to myself, "Wow. 'Masters of the Universe.' That sounds like something Kirby would do."

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  8 місяців тому +1

      I've heard a LOT of mixed bag stories about the history of MOTU actually. I'm not an inordinately big toy guy for the most part but MOTU is inextricably linked to my childhood so I'm super curious about it. There's a really good doc that was finally released after a few years that's supposed to get into some of this stuff a little more that I'm interested to check out but haven't had time to watch yet. I know that Frazetta and Kirby were both influences according to different accounts that I've heard. I'll have to check out the video you're talking about as well - thanks for the recommendation! Also appreciate you checking this out and taking time to leave a comment, means a lot and helps out the channel a ton!

  • @williamjackson6705
    @williamjackson6705 Рік тому +3

    Thanks so much. Even your leftovers are better than most best efforts of others. I for one can never get enough on The King's legacy. More would be welcome. A bio of Gil Kane would be nice too.

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  Рік тому

      Oh man Kane... I'd love to get some concrete info on a few things before I do a piece on him. Really appreciate you checking this out snd taking time to leave a comment btw. Means a lot and helps out the channel a ton

  • @victorkaranja1420
    @victorkaranja1420 Рік тому +1

    Good god Kirby's existence sounds like suffering

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  Рік тому +1

      It's a wonder the guy didn't just toss in the towel. He was consistently taken advantage of and made a lot of people a lot of money. His legacy is incredible, but to actually be Jack Kirby must have been a chore at a certain point. Thanks for checking this out and taking time to leave a comment. It means a lot and helps out the channel a ton!

  • @TurtleTrackin
    @TurtleTrackin 4 місяці тому +1

    Marvel's 25 anniversary series "The Marvel Saga" reintroduced Kirby's artistic style to the 80s generation of readers.
    He also did a "What If" one shot with Iron Man in the 80s.

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  3 місяці тому

      I think he did 2 issues of the original What If series - the one about the Bullpen and there was another one about The Avengers I think? I used to collect What If like a mo fo and I remember issues 9 and 11 were hard to come by because Kirby worked on them back in the day... unless I'm loosing my mind, which is totally possible, haha!

  • @natesaar3034
    @natesaar3034 Рік тому +3

    Captain victory,silver star. All that stuff is great! I’d definitely like to see some videos on those pc titles. Or the romance comics or anything else you dig up!

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  8 місяців тому

      I wasn't sure if people would be interested in his more "obscure" stuff, especially the romance work but seems like I might have been wrong. I've been doing some reading and I'll try to get something together about them if nothing else once I've gotten to a few other projects.

  • @goldenbrowngod
    @goldenbrowngod Рік тому +1

    Heck yeah I'd like to see videos on Jack Kirby other works.

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  Рік тому

      The people hath spoken! Captain Victor and other indie/Pacific stuff as well as a Romance book episode in the future for sure at this point.

  • @JohnLoperena
    @JohnLoperena Рік тому +1

    I’d like to see all his ‘Topps Comics’ work

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  Рік тому +1

      Finding info on all that has been a bit of an uphill struggle, there was just no coverage of Topps then or now!

  • @Allison_Troy
    @Allison_Troy Рік тому +4

    His Parademon redesign that Kenner used for Super Powers was a vast improvement and it's always been a wasted opportunity that DC didn't use that redesign in the comics. Several creators who worked at DC during the Kahn years report that she understood the creators both writers and artists were important and really worked toward making sure they were well compensated. Some of those deals are a bit sketchy on the rights side -- as covered in various Watchmen videos (yours included if I remember correctly) but those deals still pay very well to those creators from the Kahn era. Well very well for comics. And they pay better than current comics contracts pay. Great video as usual. YT stopped showing me your updates on my front page. I found this and the last two Kirby videos (and everything in between) earlier and am catching up now to help you get those views up.

    • @Allison_Troy
      @Allison_Troy Рік тому +1

      Also -- definitely more Kirby stuff. I like getting the non-Marvel & DC stuff. His career was so much bigger than that and it's nice to find out about that work.

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  8 місяців тому +1

      Thanks, I had to take some time off to get stuff together for this and the Mike Golden doc I'm putting out now and UA-cam killed my recommendations since I don't get a video a week out anymore haha - super appreciated and glad you found the series. And yeah, while far from perfect those Kahn contracts definitely helped out a lot of people that needed it and or sorely deserved it. It's nice to know that at least some people in the industry were thinking about things like this!

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  8 місяців тому +1

      I really want to get into his Romance stuff which I hear virtually no one talk about but Captain Victory and a few other things also deserve videos. gah! So much information to share and so little time to do it, haha

    • @Allison_Troy
      @Allison_Troy 8 місяців тому

      @@JerkComic Definitely interested in the Romance stuff -- that whole era of comics gets overlooked and some of the greats cut their teeth on those books and there was some great storytelling happening in those books.

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  6 місяців тому +1

      @@Allison_Troy I know a deal but I really want to learn more and get to dive into all of that myself so I'd bet we'll see a video about it eventually haha! Kirby basically came up with and popularized it and there were some true luminaries that came through at the height of their power on those titles, would be really interesting to dive into. Glad I'm not alone.

  • @kerwinjohnson1349
    @kerwinjohnson1349 Рік тому +1

    Yes. More Kirby.

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  8 місяців тому +1

      Don't worry - I got some more fun stuff planned once I get some other stuff out there. So much amazing Kirby history to share and soooo little time, haha!

  • @DCMarvelMultiverse
    @DCMarvelMultiverse Рік тому +1

    Jack was to comics what MJ was to music.

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  8 місяців тому

      I can get behind this... the King of Pop shoulda done something with the King of Comics, haha! I would have flipped to see a Thriller comic section or something done by Kirby all animated and stuff

  • @Brainiac1138
    @Brainiac1138 Рік тому +1

    I love the idea of you doing stand alone episodes on Kirby's other works, especially things like Captain Victory. But, I think something on the Jason Todd call in would be pretty cool.

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  Рік тому

      There's not a great angle on Todd for me. I do not like his reintroduction and even getting into why people hated him so much would require a lot of work digging around in what was going on with Batman at the time. If I ever find a cool in on the subject I'd definitely be down - I remember sneaking a call or two in to ensure that boom went the dynamite, haha! Ill be doing more Kirby soon so have no fear there though, Pacific and his Romance stuff are just way to underrespected and I can't wait to get into it all!

  • @JackbenImbel2274
    @JackbenImbel2274 Рік тому +1

    More Kirby videos, please. Perhaps a video on his art style, and how it embodied the action depicted, and his ability to draw bodies so stiffly that still manage to ooze movement.

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  8 місяців тому +1

      I'll definitely be getting into more Kirby before too long - didn't know how interested people would be but seems like you all want more!

    • @JackbenImbel2274
      @JackbenImbel2274 8 місяців тому

      @@JerkComic YES!

  • @atheistsince1210
    @atheistsince1210 8 місяців тому +2

    OMG Gerber !!!!! I dropped like over $200 for his Marvel Masterworks Defenders run from the 70s they say it’s his best but these geniuses were so philosophical and existential it just stays with you and it’s high art not the cut and paste Disney **** that people accept these days and our generation we’re pre-teen adolescents when we got our hands on these high level adult quasi religious and pessimistic philosophical gems they helped me survive bullying and grow up without false hope and utopian expectations.

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  8 місяців тому +1

      I'm obsessed with Gerber man, he had some totally bizarre concepts and ideas but it was interesting finding out about his sleeping conditions later on in life as I think this caused not only a lot of his late work and problems with doing work in general, but added to the already zany nature of the man. Was really cool having his widow reach out about the video I did on him and personally thank me - meant a lot as Steve is a big reason I adore comic history and continuity the way that I do.

  • @davidchurch5932
    @davidchurch5932 Рік тому +1

    Bring on the JK specials! I'm an old fart, I bought most of his work when it was coming out in the 60's & 70's. I remember Captain Victory with a smile. A supposed rotating command structure for the heroes. Most odd. And the comic was printed on "Baxter paper which was quite thick and held color well.

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  8 місяців тому

      I wasn't sure if people would be interested in more Kirby after this but it seems like I might have underestimated people's love for the King. I'll definitely be doing more Kirby stuff in the future, really want to get into his romance work especially considering how little coverage there is of that and stuff like CV out there. And man did I love that Baxter paper when they were still doing the old CMYK printing techniques. It was like the perfect combination of crappy low quality colors and nice solid paper that reproduced the line work so well... now I gotta dig out some of my old trades and the X-Men Vs FF series which I think was the first think I ever got on Baxter and lives rent free in my head forever as a result, haha! That and the McFarlane Venom Saga trade were just perfection to me when I was younger with that print combo... sorry weird rant, haha, get me all sidetracked about paper stocks and printing techniques and I'll ramble all dayy

  • @joedent3323
    @joedent3323 8 місяців тому +1

    35:35 (personal time:stamp).
    Great video so far man!

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  8 місяців тому

      This comment reminds me that I was going to make chapters for this monster... really need to get on that tonight or tomorrow before I totally forget, lmao

  • @UltraKlutzJeff
    @UltraKlutzJeff Рік тому

    Bravo! I had no idea this period at DC had origins as early as 1982. Loved seeing those development sketches. By the time Super Powers actually came out in 1985 Crisis on Infinite Earths was also happening, so the continuity of characters populating Super Powers was clearly on Earth-Kenner, hah hah! I bought them even though they were wonky. It was Jack! A footnote that you probably knew but didn’t dwell on was the Return of the New Gods series and the continuation of the Mister Miracle series around 1977-78. They are both available in hardcover now. By today’s standards they are not so great on re-reading, but by 1978 standards they were pretty darned good compared to the DC line of the time. A curious artifact for the curious, except changing Orion’s costume was a bit of a crime. As YES I WOULD love to see an ep taking a deep dive on the Captain Victory, Destroyer Duck, Silver Star period and Jack’s relationships with the indies. I eagerly bought all those comics but the politics and stories behind them is a black box to me. And I love me some indie era gossip.

  • @jarod3371
    @jarod3371 Рік тому +2

    This one was amazing Jerk! Wonderful work as always! Really amazing deep dive! I get infuriated with how Jack was treated by the big two. Especially since Marvel and DC are still mining his work for decades through present day. Jeanette Khan was the best thing that ever happened to DC.
    I wish Jack and creators of his day had pulled the move McFarlane and the rest of the original Image founders fiinaly did. Marvel and DC did not deserve the King.
    Proud to be a patreon...

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  8 місяців тому

      Man it means a lot to read comments like this. Thank you. I think his treatment was abhorrent at best and predatory at the worst - and I know which side of the fence I land on there. He did end up doing creator owned work with guys like Pacific in the 80s prior to Image but he was just too old by the time that Image kicked off to do much. Even Neal Adams the rock star of his day couldn't really make a go of things with Continuity. I think Image was a special storm and a product of its time, was super cool getting to talk about Kirby and the formation of Image with Jim Valentino when we did out interview a few years ago.

  • @RockandrollNegro
    @RockandrollNegro Рік тому +1

    I personally liked the two Super Powers miniseries (the first one moreso than the second) simply for being able to see Kirby play with the DCU, but I'll be the first to admit that it wasn't his best work.
    I don't know if you were aware, but Kirby initially was to draw the minicomics packed into the figures, but Kenner wasn't impressed with his sequential work. I always assumed it was Keith Giffen reworking layouts Kirby did for the Steppenwolf and Dr. Fate minicomics, and he told me that it he wasn't 100% sure, but it was possible, because Kirby's art required "extensve" reworking during that era. He said he remembered touching up a lot of Kirby promo work back then, not out of spite, but out of reverence for the man. "I just couldn't let people think that was the best work he was capable of." Greg Theakston, despite stating he wasn't qualified, did the same, but as with most ghosting duties back then, we'll probably never know who drew what or who touched up what.

  • @KalleVilenius
    @KalleVilenius Рік тому +2

    Darkseid in Hunger Dogs felt very weak and cowardly compared to how he'd been depicted in the original run (or by any other writers), I wonder what was going on there.

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  Рік тому +2

      DC editorial not letting Jack tell a story like always. They needed a more docile character to explain his exile at the end. Regular Darkseid would have burnt and razed the planet behind him. Considering they wouldn't let Jack have him and Orion fight or NOT fight, yeah I know stupid af, but given this - I would say editorial limitations and Jack not really giving a toss at a point when his third plot pitch was rejected. "What do YOU want me to draw and write" is how I imagine the conversation basically went. He wasn't giving up that sweet freakin royalty money so he just took it on the chin and did what he could the best he could

  • @jamessherman7512
    @jamessherman7512 Рік тому +1

    Awesome video, thank you

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  Рік тому

      Thank YOU for checking it out, wouldn't mean a thing if people didn't take the time to watch these. Really appreciate you taking time to leave a comment as well, helps out the channel a ton!

  • @MykeHavoc
    @MykeHavoc Рік тому +1

    Damn! I thought you were winding down and would dedicate a whole video to the tie-in comics. Oh well. Hella good job sir!
    I will watch any and all videos you make on the King! I'd be curious to know more about his lesser celebrated mythologies, like The Inhumans, The Eternals, The Celestials etc. All the stuff that felt like practice for what would eventually became his opus.
    Did you by chance get the new TwoMorrows book Old Gods & New? I've had it sitting. Looking forward to dive in after this.

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  8 місяців тому +1

      First off thanks so much for checking this out and taking time to comment, means a lot and helps out the channel. And there just wasn't a ton of info about Kirby's work being done at this point - no one cared. At least media and co-worker wise. He was used up and they wanted him gone so I wanted to get to a point in his life where he wasn't tissue paper as I was starting to get majorly depressed working on this series seeing how they treated the poor guy, haha. I promise I'll get back to some more Kirby as I do want to talk about his indie work and romance books especially, some seriously overlooked stuff there imho. And no sadly I haven't had a chance to check that out. I usually really like TwoMorrows, tons of amazing releases that I've used as sources over the years but I'm on a pretty limited income and I haven't been able to swing it since I'm not "researching" Kirby right now and have to concentrate those spending dollars haha. Hopefully I get a chance to check it out though, I should get TwoMorrows to sponsor the channel so I just get copies of the books in exchange for plugging them when I use them as reference... which is a lot lmao!

  • @peterwoodhouse4314
    @peterwoodhouse4314 Рік тому +1

    The alleged affadavit fraud by distributors/first wave of speculation by grown up fans in a precursor to the direct market was also a factor in the DC 4th World demise, not widely known at the time. Apparently also affected other hot artists like Adams, BWS etc, and titles like Shazam?

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  8 місяців тому

      According to some yes, others no. I was not able to find a corroborated story that I could tie to all of this concerning that, just like the theft and sale of all that Marvel art that started showing up that we basically know who sold it but can't say on tape or anything lest we get sued since we have no proof haha. I would LOVE to find some more coherent and concrete info regarding the affidavit fraud if you or anyone else knows where to come across that info btw

  • @gevdarg
    @gevdarg 9 місяців тому +1

    Good channel. Enjoying the content.

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  8 місяців тому +1

      Thanks so much! I really appreciate you not only checking out the videos but taking time to leave a comment. it helps out the channel a ton and means a lot to know people are actually watching and enjoying these!

  • @atheistsince1210
    @atheistsince1210 Рік тому +2

    Admittedly Uncle Jerk I just CANNOT warm up to The Eternals even though I paid like $75 two years ago it actually saved me from having to waste money on the MCU film that the previews alone were like - this sucks ! Let me know your thoughts on his Forth World work absolute editions are relatively cheap and it seems no one warms up to them . Are they bad ? New Gods I’m neutral about it’s so so .

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  8 місяців тому

      If you get a chance to get the Fourth World Absolutes or the Ombibus, highly recommended. The big problem is that things were kind of left on a cliffhanger with the FW but I think they did a decent enough job of tying up those loose ends years later you can read and enjoy it today. Eternals is one of those labored projects I don't think Kirby was given enough freedom on and Marvel just kind of killed with editorial interference during that second stint at the company. They simply would not leave him alone to do his thing and most books suffered dearly for it. I own several editions of the FW material and definitely recommend checking it out if you get the chance

  • @DAYHOMEONE
    @DAYHOMEONE Рік тому +1

    When you throw in phrases such as "and stuff like that" it's a telltale sign of embellishment. Your account of Jack's driving and mental feebleness is pure rubbish. Yes, it's true Jack had to give up driving and actually did drive up on a sidewalk, but this was earlier in his life and he did not imagine he was in a rocket ship. His constant obsession with his work made it hard for him to concentrate on more mundane things like driving. So he gave up driving at Roz's insistence.

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  Рік тому

      There's quotes from Gerber, Dixon, and a number of the other individuals that worked with Kirby during his time in animation that beg to differ about his driving and it's a fairly well known fact that Jack's mind was like a steal trap for years but that by his 60s it just wasn't working like that any more. He was a much more astute man than I'll ever be and I never once called Jack feeble. He was having memory problems, getting older, had horrible vision and had driven up on to curbs according to his wife and others on more than one occasion. I didn't personally attack the man or call him senile dude, don't know why it would benefit me to do so or even fit the narrative of me doing a 10 hour long doc supporting Kirby and his work...

  • @mitchmarvelous6412
    @mitchmarvelous6412 8 місяців тому +1

    Has anyone made a video of jack Kirby being ripped off like what George Lucas did with star wars. Of course other elements were also lifted from flash Gordon and blade runner. DC the new gods and 4th world were brand spanking new and still today are relatively unknown by the majority. Even hardcore fans like myself haven't fully grasped his work and all the details of new gods. It bugs me that star wars fans are in love with something that already existed and within DC comics is pretty great yet unacknowledged. The force was the source, Luke & Vader=Orion and Darkseid, Han Solo Mr Miracle. I was so upset when I learned this from the great John Schnepp who I miss dearly loved that man for his knowledge and love of comics. Jack Kirby wasn't able to fully build his new gods comic and DC didn't know where to go with it without him around which helped George Lucas pilfer his material unnoticed. That's what hurts me the most add the fact nobody knows this or simply dont care. Suffice to say star wars is cool n all but all things considered it makes me appreciate it less knowing this. Star Trek is far more enjoyable for me since it has more meaning and deeper emotional stories about humanity and space. But that's prolly cuz I already was in love with DC & Marvel so star wars was kinda dull to me.

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  8 місяців тому

      I'm sure there's a video somewhere out there about it but Kirby never really pushed the subject as far as I know so not a ton of discussion. I DO hear Indiana Jones brought up a great deal in reference to the second volume of Black Panther that he was heading up leading into the production of that and I know he had feelers out to Spielberg about it wanting just a thanks or acknowledgment. As per Star Wars specifically I think there's little doubt that a lot of the elements came from comics, Kirby, pulps, anything that Lucas liked. This obviously also included stuff like Kurosawa and his jidaigeki where, if the name isn't clue enough, many of the other major story and thematic elements were lifted from. I don't necessarily think Lucas ripped it out or that he straight lifted SW and I also know Lucas for legal reasons couldn't ever admit to certain influences because of the sheer amount of money involved with the property after a certain point. Star Wars hit a nerve with a people and while it's totally cobbled together from different places I don't know if I would solely lay it at the feet of the Fourth World material. That would be interesting to look into though as admittedly, I'm most certainly not the biggest SW fan out there. Nothing wrong with it, just not engrossing and entertaining to me like it seems to be for most other people. I'm a weirdo though. My favorite Star Trek show is DS9 because of the people and culture and emotional pull that show had as a result. I still say it's the best Star Trek show ever...
      Thanks for checking this out btw - means a lot and helps out the channel a ton leaving a comment as well!

  • @dhdusjdhsl5785
    @dhdusjdhsl5785 Рік тому +1

    Amazing video!!!

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  Рік тому

      Thanks man really appreciate the kind words and you taking time to check it out! Means a lot and helps out the channel a ton

  • @baileymoore7779
    @baileymoore7779 Рік тому +2

    Wow. What a bunch of pricks. They did my boy Jack wrong.

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  Рік тому

      Yes. Yes they did... er, well, some people. Kahn and Levitz get MAJOR props from me for coming back a decade later and trying to right stuff. They helped him out as best they could and I'll remember that forever. The rest of the low lives that tossed him to the wolves? Yeah, won't forget them either.

  • @atheistsince1210
    @atheistsince1210 8 місяців тому +2

    Thanks so much ! Yes I have the Kirby Eternals omnibus it’s pretty turgid I think it was overpriced but the FW absolute is very reasonable . I enjoy the New God Gary Conroy story line but it doesn’t get high purchase numbers not that It matters the hidden gems you always find are treasures ! The MCU Eternals film I could just smell the crap coming from the film same thing with Thor Love and Thunder I mean I knew it was woke garbage but this is coming from Ragnorok film which is one of the funniest tight MCU films I mean JEFF GOLDBLOOM had to be the funkiest crazy “villains” I have ever seen on film! Saw it like three times on the big screen .

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  8 місяців тому

      I checked out on the MCU maybe Iron Man 3? Little before that? I won't pay for films that refuse to pay or otherwise remunerate people responsible for the characters and stories in the films, but that's neither here nor there. Eternals I think was more about Jack just trying to get SOMETHING out at Marvel that wasn't rehashed superhero stuff or random licensed books like they kept throwing at him. It was clear Marvel had NO clue what to do with him that second go round because they were treating him so poorly and kicking him from book to book... just so sad. But yeah, I own the FW Absolutes and can say they're definitely worth picking up especially for the highly discounted prices you can get them at even new imho.

  • @raypaz2947
    @raypaz2947 Рік тому +2

    Watching 🎉🎉

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  Рік тому +1

      Thanks as always for checking it out!

    • @raypaz2947
      @raypaz2947 Рік тому

      @@JerkComic don’t thank me. Thank you for the great effort and time researching for this amazing content(as always).

  • @mikedolan6176
    @mikedolan6176 Рік тому +3

    ✌🤘

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  8 місяців тому

      Thanks as always brother - finally trying to catch up on comments, haha

  • @DAYHOMEONE
    @DAYHOMEONE Рік тому +1

    I have tried to watch this several times and every time I encounter more factual errors, I'm forced to stop again. Jack's 4th World series WAS NOT an abject failure. The circulation was good and probably by later standards very good. DC's problem was not the 4th World series. It was sales in general. Marvel had out maneuvered them on pricing. In the fall of 1971 everyone in the industry was going to have to hike prices again. The jump from 12 cents to 15 cents had staved off more drastic changes for a year or so but it was not enough. With the November issues of 1971, which were actually on the stands in August 1971 comics increased page count to 52 pages (counting covers) and set the price at 25 cents. Marvel did this and DC followed suit at the same time. Then Marvel pulled a fast one. They dropped back to 32 pages the very next month at a 2o cent cover price and stayed there. DC hung on to the 25 cent format for a full year before falling back to the 20 cent/36 page format and it was disastrous for their whole line. They were desperate to boost sales and wanted to utilize Kirby to more popular ends. With comics code relaxing previous rules on the horror genre there was an eagerness by both companies to exploit it. DC decided to cancel Jack's project and see if he could not turn a greater profit by doing a horror series as well as developing a knock-off of Planet of the Apes that was very hot at the time. They wanted to him to develop something more trendy. It is no more complicated than that. But New Gods was NEVER an abject failure. The 25 cent cover price was.

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  Рік тому

      I think we're just having a case of crossed wires here. I actually talk about the price wars as well as the fact that it's believed DC exaggerated low sales to bully Kirby out of working on the Fourth World. What I mean by abject failure has nothing to do with the quality of the comic, nor the reception of the comic by the fans at the time - there were things Kirby set out to do and accomplish with the Fourth World material as well as things that DC wanted, neither party got what they wanted, the universe was canned long before it should have been and left in a sad limbo for years. DC was NOT going to let Jack pass the books off to other artists and writers, they were NOT going to set up a whole new editorial wing to oversee his stuff and they were NOT going to let him upstage them. One by one they stripped him of his titles and used the "failure" of the series as a way to leverage Kirby into doing work he was increasingly less and less pleased with. That is what I meant. I am not commenting on sales or reception, but the fact that every single thing that Kirby and DC set out to do with the series was seemingly not accomplished. Hopefully that makes better sense and sorry you don't like the piece but I appreciate you taking the time to comment and leave thoughts/insights! Really appreciate the constructive criticism.

  • @Arroyo2099
    @Arroyo2099 Рік тому +1

    I hope you start making videos again

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  Рік тому

      Keep an eye out for a new piece this upcoming week my friend!

    • @Arroyo2099
      @Arroyo2099 Рік тому

      @@JerkComic if you need help editing let me know

  • @DippedInInk
    @DippedInInk 4 місяці тому

    Kirby's family shouldve sued Marvel/DC for artistic slavery. As an artist I can't support that but this 4th World was a big F you cuz NO ONE can do what he could do.

    • @JerkComic
      @JerkComic  3 місяці тому

      Well can't really sue for 'slavery' when they paid him - not much, but they paid him. As for Kirby's family suing though - they did. And they won. That's why you see Jack's name at the beginning of all the MCU stuff at this point. Well, technically Marvel settled with both the Kirby and Ditko estates, but we all know they only made agreements because they were going to loose - no way you're just going to give up even part of those IPs knowing what they're worth unless someone's got you by the short and curlies.