Warmachine SOLD and becomes SCHRODINGER'S WARGAME
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2024
- Privateer Press sells their entire Iron Kingdoms IP including Warmachine and their P3 paint line to Steamforged Games, a UK based company. Here's the news explained, who Steamforged Games are, and mytheories about Warmachine MK4 going forwards!
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0:00 Intro
0:55 The News and Privateer
5:27 Steamforged by my reckoning
10:22 What's coming next
#steamforgedgames #privateerpress #warmachine #wm4 #wmh - Ігри
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The Reddit AMA: www.reddit.com/r/Warmachine/s/qTu8yarmOS
SO IS THIS GOOD OR BAD?
On the positive note: the IP and business model in general was obviously successful enough to be purchased. All the naysayers would have told you the IP would never sell. But it's now alongside Horizon zero dawn, dark souls, and Monster Hunter.
And who cares about the negative note. Life sucks, the world is in shambles, I'm going to be positive about my silly little toy hobby!
If it helps the Iron Kingdoms stay as an intriguing universe for people to participate in, then it's awesome.
I have seen games that were sold to another company like Battletech, Dungeons and Dragons, and games that should have been sold to another company like O.G.R.E or Dark Age.
In the end I prefer universes to stick around than vanish and all we have is one or two from the same company.
Please never have the moving round jiggling subtitles ever again.
By the emperor those things are annoying.
Ha, yeah, I went for it on those lol. I don't know how the zoomers handles it.
I'm actually just shocked anyone watches the video. I listen to stuff as I hobby and barely look at the screen!
@@GlassHalfDead you play warmachine, you are not doing what the mainstream is doing
I think it was a good move personally. My kids are pretty noisy
@@Oldf0x Subtitles, yes. Dancing subtitles, no. Dancing subtitles that sometime clip off the edge of the screen, hell no
Overall, if what this collaboration is, is that Privateer will continue on mini and games design and Steamforged had entered the picture for their manufacturing and marketing which are generally the games weaknesses then I can only imagine this will be for the better.
Former press ganger here. I haven't played since mk2. Hopefully this is the right direction for the game.
The King is Dead. Long live the King.
Pretty sure that this will give a boost of life to Warmachine and Iron Kingdoms.
True, I really like the Iron Kingdoms IP, any company that can handle it competently is a good thing
There was a skirmish set of rules produced by Line of Sight called Brawlmachine
Yes, I played a bit! It's not entirely skirmish in the sense most think of, but a lot of people enjoyed it as a fast wmh game which is awesome
Yeah I don't think it was skirmish. BUT I do think Brawlmachine was amazing for Warmachine and seems silly that they didn't incorporate it properly into warmachine.
I'm optimistic - I just hope they do the aggressive product line that this game needs to keep growing. Definitely would like to see cards and Forces of books again. I just got back into the game after a few years (haven't been able to play yet lol), so this is definitely surprising.
Sorry if somebody else already chimed in, but the timeline you explained seems off concerning the PPers leaving for AMG. Not a big deal and definitely difficult to research.
Me: Patiently waiting for the "How-To-Play" series
I've finished the hobby. That was the hardest part! I did the scripts. I recorded the scripts. Now I just need the visuals. I say... Last week of June. Maybe first week of July
Considering Privateer Press's two biggest weaknesses were Marketing and Production... partnering with someone whose strengths are marketing and production should be good!
Fingers crossed. MKIV is really good. It would be awful if it nose dived now.
If they bring back the 2d6 IK RPG I will be happy.
Fond memories of Warmahordes and Monsterpoclypse in my teens as my first passion, Warhammer fantasy, was in decline. Would love to see these games get some modern love and attention
I really hope it goes back to smaller skimirsh level game like 1st and early 2nd
Don't hold your breath, they will not change their path anytime soon.
Well... I hope you are right.
Personally i really had only positive experiences with PP, and it was really encouraging to see mk4 doing well and stock flying of the store.
Of course i hope PP staff will be ok and i really hope their talent, passion and vision will keep shaping warmachine and iron kingdoms.
That being said it might be nice to have a good production and distribution centre in the UK. Perhaps we might even have hobby tools back from Formula P3 back (brushes, files, primers).
I am however not particularly keen on the soft plastic. I think PP old metal and new 3d printed models were great. And i really don't want to see them replaced with soft plastic.
I feel Warmachine need to work on getting new blood into the hobby, maybe à focus on smaller encounters?
I'm right there with you. Skirmish ftw
Would help with SKU bloat for retailers too
An honestly stream line the rules to make them fun. They feel very clunky compared to more modern editions of other miniature games.
I love War machine and want it to continue.
I am of two minds... one is excited that maybe we can see a return to mk2 glory given they are warmachine players...
And trepidation given the history of guildball and godtear... I enjoy both games but they have been horribly neglected by steamforged. Also their kickstarter addiction terrifies me.
I think partnering with PP may see a resurection of Guildball. SFG was never about competitive play clearly but I think if they allow PP rules writers team get their hands on it we may see it in the future with SFG games continuing to work on models and their boardgames
I am hopeful that war machine is going to make a comeback :)
I been playing since Mk1 and I am here for Mk4 As a roleplayer I am also here to see how the Iron Kingdoms develops.
It wouldn't be the first time wargames and RPGs were in main line shops. Back in 198-Idontwantotthinkaboutit I brought red box D&D in John Lewis, and Virgin stores used to have an extensive RPG and tabletop section, especially at the height of the popularity of World of Darkness. I got my first copy of BattleTech from there.
Quadruple hello to you, good Sir! Being someone that played from the very beggining (when you only needed a warcaster and 4 other models), I was happy to see the game pick up steam once more for 4th edition. So hopefully, they´ll continue upwards, if not, then I´ll be glad that I didn't get into the game once more
What SFG is doing with WM / IK is not really any different than what they do (pretty well) with Video games. They're taking an existing IP and putting it on the tabletop.
Not really the same at all, those video games need board game mechanics designed for them. Here it's already done for them.
for me it can only be positive, right now i just tried to get back in the game, bought a starter army core set, what arrived was an expansion set, no warjacks. people i bought it from have no stock, no idea when they will get stock and cant give a time line at all stating several months is common. so i have an unplayable army but whats worse, it arrived damaged too. just an aweful first purchase thats giving me buyers remorse. having a uk based company can ONLY be better than this. xD
ok so with magnets then out this then takes away from what most of the new armies and game for mk 4 have been designed around if they do end up killing the 3d printed models and magnets that means zero customizing with your jacks etc and then having to spend even more money for the other now jack varieties dont get me wrong doing soft plastic for character stuff like jacks that have no load outs to swap in and out would be fine but all the custom work you can do or bring would then be gone if they kill the magnet stuff
IDK anything about Steamforged. I only knew PP because of Warmachine & Hordes. I do love Iron Kingdoms/Immoren lore tho. Is SFG best known for wargames, RPGs or board games? I am hoping we get a better TTRPG b/c I don't play 5E. It's own game like the original Iron Kingdoms & Hordes RPG would be fuggin' epic
I feel like there's some very relevant info here. Rich Loxam, Mat Hart, and Jamie Perkins at SFG are all old hands at Warmachine. Back when I was a Press Ganger, Privateer's volunteer scheme, I was running events they were playing in (Like the UK Games Expo Masters back when there was one of those). They know where the game has come from, where it headed, and given Jamie P is still a dab hand at running people into the ground they know where it is now.
Will they be able to do anything for it? That's a question above my pay grade, but I think given their past they'll put a good shove behind it. We'll see where that gets us.
*whispers* It's free real estate
MK4 felt like a trash fire privateer press miss managed with a number of bad decisions and bad luck. I really look forward to seeing what Steamforge Games does with Warmachine. They already seem to be on the right track with their statements.
Where is that Sorscha CG from?
Warmachine Tactics e3 reveal. The game was originally a 3rd person action game but changed to a tactics game
Great take, I think there is a chance that this is a really good move for the game. Also there is a chance that it totally kills it.
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Time will tell. Soft plastic? Will it hold paint? I can’t believe that this adds anything other than more uncertainty to the Warmahordes brand.
gotta stop you there. SFG is no longer working with soft plastics. Their recent Monster Hunter Worlds Iceborne kickstarterer has unvieled the first hard plastic models for that game and all other recent kickstarters. Im willing to bet PP had something to do with decision moving forward as war machine is a huge move for them
Ex-Privateer Press staff became Atomic Mass Games ... What great news, they wont drop any games ... Oh wait Xwing and Armada ... Are these people just cursed
they need actual books out I can read, the books kept me in warhammer
lovegood fiction and when they went all ebook i just went to other stuff
I really enjoyed the novels. Silly scholoky fun for the most part, just how I like it. BUT they only would have stopped if it wasn't making them money, and it's hard to argue with that :(
I would say this is a good thing. Steamforged can bring better distribution and marketing to warmachine. With PP handling dev for certain time we should not see problems for the game in recent years.
Also with sfg using PP for american production and being more open to using european manufacturers should give eu playerbase better service.
Warmachine and hordes were hands down infinitely better then any rule set created by Needed to think and be tactical. Not to mention the miniatures are amazing. In days gone past I would always recommend it over 40k. A cheaper and far better game. Privateer Press dropped the ball on this game years ago and totally failed to invigorate it.
Could this be a good thing? I hope so. I loved the game and minis and would be so stoked to see it make a return. Am I sceptical? Yes . I’ll celebrate when I see things improve.
SFG has really been knocking it out of the park with their recent model offerings. I play both the Dark souls and Monster Hunter Board games regularly. They're recent next evolution of model creation with hard plastics really has me excited as they have been very transparent and communicative about the upcoming Monster Hunter Worlds: Iceborne release. Also crazy they now are in control of P3 paints that may just get an overhaul itself if they can perhaps copy Army Painter strategy of bringing on experienced painters and hobbyist. I wonder if SFG would bring back Guild ball and allow Privateer Press to revive the game and maintian it competitively. This merger could really be successful if managed correctly.
I've been a big IK/WM/H fan since the original 3.0 Witchfire rpg books. I've hated to see the company fall so far from where they were. I stopped keeping up with SFG after how they handled dropping Guild Ball (to me- it was poorly handled and a bad sign of how they treated their player base). I am trepidatious to see where this goes.
Interesting take on GodTear... the real issue (IMHO) is the lack of support for GodTear... it is a great game.. it has good models... it does have a niche market... but it also is a hybrid that SHOULD appeal to boardgamers, new wargamers, and is an very easy side game for established tabletop gamers... yet the last release for the game was in Feb of 2023 and before that I think July of 2022?....
SFG have STILL never updated their typo'd downloadable rule book and other than one single SFG official event last year in England, I don't believe there has been anything organized for the game...
it is also even weirder IMHO because SFG DID take their game to Tabletopia with an official and honeslty REALLY well done digital version of the game... so why spend all that money and time and then NOT push the game more?... while ALSO still trickling out maybe one release a year?... it's just very odd to me. But I did appreciate your take.
I was going purely on my "I don't follow this closely but have a few sets" recollection. I'll go with what you say!
Although, actually, I still say that the hex based hybrid boardgame/wargame doesn't have a market. I don't know why. But there are multiple good games, one even backed by GW, that should be EVERYWHERE. And they aren't. It's very puzzling.
Just dont mess up the paints…
This deal was probably in the works for awhile. The sales of MKIV probably convinced SFG to finalize the buy.
Or, more realistically, the price dropped sufficiently low that it became cheap enough for SFG to take a punt.
@@Alucard291 or realistically, both scenarios are possibly and all we are both doing is projecting either our love or hatred of the Iron Kingdoms universe onto the situation.
@@theworldsays4264 Oh I love IK universe as a whole. I loved WMH in 2nd and (yes) 3rd too. I just know that its too late to save it. And SFG - known for killing guildball and for making middling-to-shite tabletop games isn't here to save it.
They'll just milk the last few drops and then kill it off.
@@Alucard291 strange love
@@theworldsays4264 yeah very strange that I hate watching it deteriorate year after year.
There comes a point when you realise that something that you used to love, something that gave you joy is truly genuinely rotten and is actually just shite. You gotta know when to fold them love.
I would like it if they could transition to using alternating activations.
Give me skorne or give me death!!
I've liked the aesthetic of Warmachine, but the game never grabbed me. I"m a Crisis Protocol player, so I know some of the background of AMG and Privateer Press. A lot of Warmachine and Guild Ball players came to MCP after those games ended or struggled hard. I'm curious to see what Steamforged will do, but if it's not a small model count skirmish game, I have no interest.
I just like having the models on the shelf tbh. Game is secondary to me!
SFG hasnt handled their own properties well.
But their rules are bad 2:17
sfs have been a company imo thats been in decline for years so i'm not sure if this will do much
Really? I haven't followed them super closely but from the outside I've generally seen them having successful Kickstarters 🤷♂️
Theyve focused alot on kickstarters. And those have been very successfull monetary wise, ofcourse without any knowledge of the ledgers.
Yeah I’m super skeptical on SFG taking over Warmachine. I get if Guildball might have been losing profitablility and they confirmed it and said they were cutting production, but the message to the community came across very negative and really soured their reputation with the GB community. Recently, it seems like SFG might be trying to mend that rift but I’m very cautiously optimistic. I’ll wait and see how things go with GB and WM.
Shame about how Mythic took a shit all over Monsterpocalypse. They had a great plan and a super good buy in to "boardgame-ify" Monpoc, and I believe it was the right direction to go in. The price was right, the factions were portioned in correct numbers. Something PP never understood.
I am hardly shocked by this turn of events with WM. I am glad it is going to somebody who can possibly do something with it.
And that seems to be PP's problem in a nutshell, is incompetence in building and maintaining a business. Because clearly whatever the hell you call the last decade, even after resurrecting Monpoc, sure as hell wasnt the formulae for success.
On the other hand, I dont remotely miss manchildren milling about the game shop saying "Do you even page 5, bro?!? Play like you got a pair."
Warmachine bred some of the cringiest takes in gaming history, and the more maladaptive types used it as validation for their shitty lack of respect for the concept of consent in everyday social interactions.
Honestly, I hope this is the last phase in the Iron Kingdoms lifespan before it dies an ignominious death at the hands of Matt Wilson's string of negligence.
I am not a huge fan of the revealed models. It just looks like generic power armor warriors with tactical rock.
Taste is always up for debate of course. They look very inline with other IK models imo
Warmachine folk on various Facebook groups seem quite excited about Caine. Personally i don't play either of those factions but it think they look pretty cool.
This was actually a very exciting reveal for the Cygnar players
HATE THAT SOFT MODEL PLASTIC.
Would be a deal breaker,”.
They've confirmed 100% they won't be using that! Just the current direct resin and some hard plastic
@@GlassHalfDead word, thanks for the info!!!