87 - Safety Video: Dust, Fumes & Respirators
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The most common topic request for Safety Week was dust and respirators. So here's a quick review of the dust and fumes that can make our lives miserable in the shop, and why we need respirators for pro-active protection.
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This video has been out for 10 years and I just found it today. I wish I’d seen it a few months ago. Better late than never. 👍🏻
Damn right!
Excellent demonstration! Great attention to detail and very informative. Thanks Mark, great job.
Dave
This video is exactly the information I was looking for - Subscribed!
Video is still useful, stepping up my safety habits as my hobby grows and may move to a proper shop in the next year. Did the easy stuff with ear/eye protection but would like to develop good habits on air quality now before I'm doing things larger scale and possibly with shop assistants.
Thank you so much for this video. I always use respirators with P100 filters, but have never been able to get this perfectly clear explanation of what they do, and the difference between particulate filtration and vapor filtration - even on 3M's very confusing website! You explained it perfectly and put my mind at ease.
Just watched this video and found it to be very informative and explained in a clear-cut straightforward way. It was also entertaining. Thanks for the video. Kudos!
Excellent, good info and well presented. I have worn chemical respirators for 30 years. Used them for vapors and dust. Thanks. You are the best.
Sam
Thank you for this video! I don't have a mentor in my town so I'm learning things the hard way allot. I don't want cancer to be my final lesson.
This has been a very helpful video clip for my patients. Thanks.
Excellent video. Great job explaining everything clearly
Thanks for the advice. Was trying to work out which one to get - or what I even needed. Pretty much just ordered the 7500 series from 3M as you suggested. Nice work.
Hey Marc! Hope all is well! Just wanted to say thank you sooooo much for this old vid. I been using the old 3m mask with the ventilation out the front which constantly fogged up my glasses. I would have never known that there was an alternative. Cant wait for the 7500 to arrive and be rid of the fogged glasses! Its an excitement only a woodworker can have like being excited when i got my ct mini….lol. you know what I mean.
Thanks again!
Shane
Thank-you. This was very well explained.
This was so helpful. Seeing the pink filter clicks right in was so helpful.
Marc thanks. Been searching for a solution for dust in my shop. I was pleased? to see that I wasn't alone about thinking it was going to take more than a single solution for ensuring I had a safe environment. I have asthma --yup, no the greatest situation for woodworking-- so I've been upgrading my shop as I can with technology to help: cross ventilating with fans and open doors, shop vac., a small underpowered portable DC (in process of upgrading to 2hp HF w/SDD) as well as various masks that never seemed to work. I was considering the Trend AirPro, but I continue to hear so-so reports as not worth the price. I spotted the 3M respirator you use on the video. I've had fairly poor results with the various one's I've purchased (either too hard to breath thru or they fogged up my glasses. Got the 7500 today w/Pink filters and tried it out. Awesome fit and function. Thanks for the video-BrianS
Same here. My basement shop is not too big, and the cleaner does a great job. Between it, my dust collector, and some furnace filters over the cold air return, I have no dust issues in the rest of the house, and a very happy Wife.
I know this is old Marc, but very helpful advice. I have been using the 3M mask just like yours and works very well along with my dust collector and air cleaner. Only negative is I wish the mask worked better with my prescription eye glasses. The nosepiece always pushes on my glasses upwards.
Great video! Thank you for the safety tips
nice video , thank you! great presentation and some useful tips!
Great video. Very detailed. Thanks a lot
Excellent Video!
Thank you for the informative video.
That was a very good video, thank you.
another great video with great tips..
thanks Marc for sharing..
@Karateisgoodforyou I change mine out about every 6 months. Monthly seems pretty excessive for a hobby shop. As for dust at the source, anything is always better than nothing. There are lots of nice portable units on the market. The ultimate, though, is a ducted cyclone, which is what I have.
Amazing video . Much appreciated
Great Job Thanks
This should be an essential video to shop safety classes.
Mark,
Thank you for sharing your experiences. At about 7:38 in this video you reference a cover was a port that allows you to add a P-100 particle filter onto the vapor cartridge, instead of using the flat particle filter. Can you share a part number, name, and where to get them, etc.? I tap out. I can not find them. Perhaps this shows my lack of efficiency searching online. This cover with the port, caught my interest again when I saw you referencing it.
Thank much for your time.
Ron
I have an old airmate visor. Mine is 20 years old and out of production. It has a heap filter and a blower with a hard hat and face shield.
wow!!! i wanted to find out a bit about respirators and i got this. excellent info. not tryinh to sell me anything and very well produced. im smashing the sub and like buttons lol
I agree on the air cleaner, but I still run it while in the shop as well as after leaving to take the fine dust out of the air before it can settle on surfaces. I have the same model of mask at home and work, and it does an excellent job at a fairly reasonable cost.
Wonderful, thank you so much.
That's cool, Mark. I sometimes forget mine, as well. And I wonder why I got a headache! Lol!
Peace, brother.
The next tool on my wish list is the respirator with pink wings. lol!
Great job on the video.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
I have an MSA safety respirator. They are probably second best to 3m, MSA makes combination cartridges, I just needed the dust ones. They carry replacement cartridges everywhere, but I have not yet had to buy any.
This was an amazing advice
Great informative video!! 👍👍👍
I found several sources that stated wood dust particles being as small as 1 micron. And in sufficient quantities, wood dust has been linked to various forms of nasal and lung cancers. Probably translates to a very small chance for the average hobbyist woodworker, but I do believe the possibility exists.
Thank you!
3m has some great videos on youtube about how to properly fit test and where you can go to have them fit tested. I saw a test with a clear vue cyclone like yours being able to suck up/hold a bowling ball on a flex hose. Have you tried that?
What is the best filter for sanding and grinding metal? I have a 6300 mask
actually, I don't recommend that piece anymore. When you use the organic filters, the p95 particulate filters are just fine. Use the P100 filters directly on the mask for dusty work. I no longer use the adapter myself.
@@Aceofspedes When the rubber gaskets look worn or get stiff replace them
@@Aceofspedes and there should be a slot for it
do you mind letting me know what is the name of the tool that helps to attach 100 P round filters to the organic filter? and what kind of googles would you recommend?
you make good videos thanks
Hey Mark. I think the frequency of cleaning really depends on your personal tolerance for things being "icky". The inside can get pretty nasty so at least once a week I take a paper towel and wiped the inside. I'd say every couple months I take it apart and clean with soap and water. As for storage, I just keep mine out on the benchtop.
What is the difference between a dust mask and respirator
Very helpful, was looking for a guide for painting model toys. Haha
The activated carbon filters have so many hours of use, I believe its 40 hours. When not using, put it in a zip lock bag. Great video and info. I just bought P100 filters. That should be fine for autobody sanding (body filler) & sanding fiberglass parts, rite? I am so use to using carbon filters. I didn't realize the 3m 7500 had that downward exit. That's great. I have glasses and my glasses always fog up.Thanks
not only this video is informative but youre really funny :)
Hey I just bought a 7500 series respirator which came with a organic vapour cartridge and a 5p71 filter. How often should I be replacing these things?
Damn well done video.
What kind of respirator you could use if you want to avoid the fumes in a gas station?
The problem that I have with all respirators, the 7500 that I also own, the standard N95s from Home Depot, and the RZ mask that I purchased, is that I can't seal the mask without moving it so high that glasses won't fit. When you were testing for seal after cleaning, you had the mask so high on your nose that no glasses could a have possibly been used. If I adjust my 7500 (or any of the others) low enough to fit glasses, then my nose, which I admit, is on the large size, then my respiration through my nose is at least partially plugged. I watched your video from 6 years ago, where you told that the pink particle filters will fit without the cartridges. Thank you for that tip! In that video and this one as well, you don't show using a respirator or any other kind of dust mask with glasses. I have emailed RZ and 3M, but two weeks later have received no response. I'm not optimistic that I will receive a reply, but am going to try again Monday with phone calls instead of email.
will it work for hydrochloric acid fumes, gaseous chlorine/ bromine/ iodine, NO2?
many thanks
I just bought the same one you have.
Thanks. Great video. I am using an LVLP gun to spray Behr Latex from Home Depot. Do I need a mask like the one in your video or are the paper masks that have N95 printed on them sufficient? Same ones that everyone is wearing to avoid the Cornona Virus. Thanks
Where do you find the covers which can accept the addon p100 filter?
I don't buy that 5000ft^2 line. The issue I have with that is the same problem as the question "What is the circumference of Australia?" It all depends on just how detailed you get.
What's the best respirator solution for beardy wood workers if you're just not willing to part with the face fuzz?
I have been working with wood flour a lot lately ( extremely fine sawdust that looks like baking flour). Will the pink filtration disc be enough to filter this or is there another filter you'd recommend ?
Would love if you tried a bunch of different brands and models, I'm in the market for a mask right now and your opinion is something I trust. Thanks for a godd video! /Joel
I found the respirator, p100 filters and the organic vapor cartridges you show there, but I cant find a link to the adaptor you use to connect the particulate filter to he vapor cartridge? can you provide a model number or amazon link please? Also good video!
Im still a bit confused. I am using contact cement, paint thinner / stripper, varsol, mineral spirits, and lacquer. I just got a 3m respirator but it says in the instructions dont use with fumes lol. I get that it comes with just a white p95 particulate filter, but how do i know what to use for these kind of chemicals when i buy the right filter? Will the pink ones work? Lol
Really? Can you cite examples? I know there are times when I have forgotten to wear them, but over the hundred or so videos I've done, I bet I can count on one hand the number of times I forgot to wear ear/eye protection when it was called for. The viewers are very good at reminding me when I mess up safety-wise, so I am pretty aware of every time I've screwed up.
How often do you replace the pink filters. I thought I heard once a month? What do you suggest for dust filtration at the source from your tools.
Great video. How long after making a cut do I need to keep a mask on for?
will it work in quartz grinding (Ramon mass ). ?
Marc, I wear a respirator but it really pains the bridge of my nose after extended use. Is this 3M mask really comfortable on the bridge of the nose?
What do you mean by finishes in wood working. I just got started as I am building a model train and have watched so many of your videos. I am looking at masks but the term finishes confuses me as to how different is it from me cutting something on table saw and band saw vs sanding a piece?
When people break out the chalk board or paper pad I get excited.
The idea and physics of cyclone is actually a minor part of dust collection. People want to sell you expensive things.
The main means,mechanism, physics of separation is drop of velocity. As the velocity drops due to expansion, the heavy chips just drops.
In a drop box, the velocity drops and the biggest chips drop. There is always a large (with cross sectional area) enough drop box that will render the cyclone effect quite minor.
Do you think I can just use the P100 Cartridge called Magenta/ Olive and receive the exact same protection.... I would mainly be Soldering here and there and Painting using Aerosol Spray Cans once and a blue..
dear sir would you tell me someone if you know much about mask, my workshop is charcoal power factory where always flow charcoal powder for that environment what kind of mask would be suitable using. please suggest me.
Great video. Will this mask protect a professional woodworker from respiratory disease and cancer if a ventilation system is also used?
Great video. The cheapest price I can find for a 3M 502 filter adapter (the one you say is just a couple of bucks at 7:37) is about $25 for a pair and as high as $50. I guess prices have gone way up since 2009.
An alternative option may be 3M 7093 P100 filters. No need for an adapter (because you don't need the round pink filters). If working purely with wood dust then switch to just the round pink ones (3M #2091) which are much cheaper. The 7093 also covers you for working around other dangerous stuff: "Solid and liquid aerosols including oils that do not also emit harmful vapors. Metal fumes produced from welding, brazing, cutting and other operations involving heating of metals. Radioactive materials such as uranium and plutonium. Asbestos." Also: "This filter, when used with 3M 5000, 6000, 7000 or FF-400 Series Facepieces, can help reduce inhalation exposures to certain airborne biological particles (e.g. mold, acillus anthracis, Avian Influenza Viruses, Mycobacterium tuberculosis, etc.) but cannot eliminate the risk of contracting infection, illness or disease. OSHA and other government agencies have not established safe exposure limits for these contaminants."
@@vancouverizer The 7093 filters are just for nuisance levels of the gases they're rated for - if one wants more protection, a full cartridge such as the 60926, 60923, etc would be the way to go. They too already have the P100 built in, and the cost is about the same as getting at 600X cartridge (no incorporated P100) + 2091 (P100 filter) + 502 (filter adapter.) Also important to note - those 502 adapters are intended to be single-use. In other words, once you attach them to a cartridge, if you remove them, apparently the seal may not be proper after that. Who knows if that's accurate or not, but if you're already paying for this level of safety, I'd probably say following the specified instructions would be best.
The 3M unit has two folds of rubber on the bridge and nothing more. It's pretty light weight and the only pain I have ever had was actually from my eye protection, not the respirator. So I think the 3m might be a good choice for you.
where can I get those covers that let the p100 over the organic filter
?
How long does the pink100 itself last ?
This is a great video. Safety is always worth spending more on. A better respirator is better breathing. Just a tip, respirators work best on DIRECT SKIN contact. So shave before you put one on.
You know, in my smaller shop, the dust is much more concentrated and I think I really need an air cleaner now. In my old shop, there was just too much air. But it seems like there is always dust in the air in this smaller space.
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Where do you get those covers that have the port to connect the p100's to?
JeckaJam Should be able to find them through 3M. One thing he doesn't mention is that those adapters are supposed to be for only single time use. Once you disconnect them they are supposed to be changed. I don't know how necessary that is, but it's what 3M says.
JeckaJam Search for 3M 502 filter adapter on Amazon. They have them. They're single use, but it will last for a while. It's just once you take the filter off of it they say to not put a new filter on the same adapter. It can leak. One filter lasts quite a while though.
Filters last 6 months because of the charcoal. Maybe longer if stored in a sealed container to avoid moisture.
no one talks about masks and either prescription glasses. when I try to wear a mask and prescription glasses, they are too high to see properly. I haven't found a solution. anyone have any advise?
That is it.
I want only against dust or against fume, not both at any time. I do not want any extra weight.
7:40 You should not remove that cover with another pore. Once it's in, if you remove it, then you have to place another one according to 3M or the seal is spoiled.
Yep, those 502 adapters are apparently single use. At this point, it's tough to find them cheaper than about $10 for a pair, unless you're buying them in bulk. At that point, you may as well just buy the 6092X cartridge(60926 for example,) which already has the P100 filter incorporated. It's likely to be the same price as the 6006 (organic & multi-gas cartridge) + 2091 (P100 filter) + 502 (adapter.)
I find a cheaper alternative to having a fine air filter on after i leave the workshop is to allow my dog to bed down for the night in the dust laden room, he really does a good job of removing those extremely fine, toxic, cancerous, nose clogging particulates.
I know some may see this as cruel, but he never complains and is in fact always pleased to see me in the morning.
fergawdsache HARHARHAR!!!
Hello Mark, I picked up the same mask that you use but can you yell me if yours smelled weird when you first put it on?
Well, it smells like plastic and activated carbon. I can't say it smelled "weird" though. Kinda smells like I expected it to smell. You might try disassembling it and give the rubber parts a little cleaning with soap and water.
I think bloggers should test bcmask masks. I think the masks of this brand are very cost-effective! I have used it before
A REALLY GOOD subject for the Safety Week is:
Eyes ad Ears! I've noticed that when Mark is doing his stuff at the Woodwhisperer, I don't see him wearing eye protection or earmuffs.
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Hi Marc, Question of the 3M #502 Adapter that you use to put the round P100 filters on the 6001 Organic Vapor cartridges. I bought a pair the other day and I was reading up on it. Do you re-use the adapters? I found in several pieces of 3M literature that says "The 3M 502 adapter should not be removed or reused once engaged as it is not designed for reuse and leakage may occur." and in another document it stated "The 3M Filter Adapter 502, once installed on a 3M Cartridge 6000 Series, is not to be removed or reused. Removal or reuse may result in leakage, overexposure, sickness or death." Now I realize that "Death" may be a bit extreme but do you find, if you reuse them, that the adapters will seal up well? Otherwise it would seem just as well to stick to the cheaper 501 retainer and use the 5N11/5P71 which are rated at 95% anyway? I where I am, at $3.50 per each 502 adapter, the cost adds up pretty quick.
I used to reuse them all the time with no issues. But I don’t even use them anymore. There’s really no need. I just use the vapor cartridge OR a dust cartridge. There’s usually no need for both at the same time.
what kind of face sheild do you use
I think he is holding a 3m 7502 respirator in the video
3M 6502QL is what I use for a respirator. I use the same filter set up as Marc. My lungs thank me.
Same. I use mines for welding.
And if SHE ain't happy, ain't nobody happy! :)
This is serious stuff - friend has permanent damage and pneumonia from high dust exposure...
From years of exposure or one extreme exposure?
I trim cannabis. The powder, in the end, is terrible. They provide those cheap paper masks. I went and purchased my filter today. I picked this particular one because it's pink.
I don't think wood dust from sanding has micron sizes below 2.5 but you're right about the larger sizes, you cough it out. The larger size dust particles may aggravate allergies but you're just as likely to get cancer from eating a hamburger as from breathing wood dust. Treated wood is a different story because of the chemicals used.
PrimusImperium Not sure if you found an answer yet, but here is information on where to buy the adapter.
www.envirosafetyproducts.com/3m-502-filter-adapter.html
Amazon also sells them for about $7/pair.
Hey wow! thanks!
Marc, since it is so important, can you update video with newer products? I see that there is a mask called Elipse from GVS. It has good reviews and is smaller, cheaper and lighter. It is available from Amazon and Woodcraft.
The volume of your introduction music is too loud compared to the content volume.
You didn't have tattoos at that time
Love this video. (Minus the pink comment. Colors are gender-less)