@@dirkdupont5004 the UK sent the first Western Main Battle Tanks when we sent the Challenger 2 over .... I know we only sent about 14 and some spares etc but it was the catalyst to get Germany to release the Leopards and America the Abraham's
@@petersmith7126 He said tanks, not western tanks. (why do you use capital letters?) Sunak, as Prime Minister, also made the same "slip of the tongue" on the world stage. Nothing was corrected, not by that Times Radio journalist nor was there any correction after Sunak's "little mistake". I find this incredibly disrespectful to, in this case the Czech Republic, Poland and other Baltic states who had already sent T-tanks and MIGS before the UK had sent any significant weapons. Don't you agree? In the (social) media I also regularly read (and hear) that persistent lie that the UK was the first country to send weapons to Ukraine. There are a number of these historical persistent "mistakes" that are only accepted as truth in the UK. It goes without saying that they all glorify the UK. It also goes without saying that they are all disrespectful to the truth and others within that truth, such as the Czech Republic, Poland and other Baltic states in this case. Perhaps you should learn history and not, as here, give it to others.
@@petersmith7126 BTW: the West's reaction to that war was and still is pathetic. It is not for nothing that people in Ukraine say that the West sends enough weapons so that Ukraine does not lose the war but also does not win it. And that at the cost of many Ukrainian (and Russian) lives. No Western country has any reason to wave their little flag, not now and not in the future. Because that is what the intention is to (falsely) emphasize that the UK was the first to send tanks to Ukraine: so that you can wave your little flag. Unless you can convince me of another reason. So I ask it again: why that need ?
@dirkdupont5004 ...I've always said that we never sent enough to Ukraine and I'll stand tin court and admit it if needed.... I'm not waving a flag about us sending tanks but if we hadn't then nobody else was .... Our 14 Challenger 2 tanks opened up the release of Leopards and Abraham's which still wouldn't be there if we'd not ..... I'd have loved us to send more but we simply don't have them
@@dirkdupont5004 .... The Soviet era tanks sent by Poland etc were a godsend and helped Ukraine but we're no better than their own tanks and no better than the Russian tanks .... Ukraine was begging for MBT from the West end nobody was willing to send them.... Germany said no to re-exporting Leopard Tanks and America wasn't sending the Abraham....that changed once the Challenger 2 was released to go The Soviet Era MIGs he supplied to Ukraine helped immensely too but again were no better than their own or the Russians aircraft and the F-16 changed that but again they've not got enough of them.
If Ukraine is to win it must have nato & EU membership so Russia can't influence the future political governance. Its all about Power & who controls it (west or russia) in Kiev!
In 10 years time when the war is over but North Korea is the superior partner in the relationship and makes Russia mobilise to fight the USA in South Korea.
The delay in supplying Ukraine in Feb and Mar was understandable as we didn't want yet another Afghanistan on our hands where their armed forces melted away in the night.... Once we knew this wasn't happening we should have been on a war footing and supplying the F-16 and Tanks along with the training to use and maintain them by the end of 2022, if we had I'm pretty sure their 2023 counter attacks may have had more success and the war could easily have been over by now .... We should also have faced up to Russia more robustly with the threat of even more supplies for every attack that they launched on civilian targets throughout Ukraine
I think Europeans are morally too weak, too scared, too stingy, too lacking in love of freedom to invest in defewnse to sustain a free civilization without Americans.
Absolutely correct. Biden’s slow-walking of aid in summer/fall of 2022 likely cost Ukraine a chance to take back all of southern Ukraine, all of the Kharkiv oblast, Crimea, and possibly even occupied Donetsk and Luhansk, although the latter would be harder due to Ruzzia having 8 years to prepare defenses there. Ruzzia’s army was in terrible shape from a manpower, logistics, production, and leadership/training perspective at that time. Ukraine had mobilized first and therefore had developed a manpower advantage over the spring and summer of 2022 (due also to disproportionate Ruzzian casualties). All Ukraine really needed was plenty of equipment and ammo, and Ruzzia was toast on the battlefield. And while Putin did supposedly consider using tactical nukes against Ukraine in this event, all it took was one stern threat from the US to send him scurrying away from “the button” with his tail between his legs (which is further evidence that Putin has no intention of starting a nuclear war with anyone who can nuke him back).
@icu17siberia .... Nobody denied that but that training should have been in place by mid to late 2022.... We supplied what we think they need and not what they know they need.
In an 1852 essay, Karl Marx famously remarked that all great events and personalities in history occur twice - once as tragedy and the second time as farce. Today’s United States may well be in for a variant of Marx’s dictum. The country is currently experiencing the farcical stage of a charismatic leader with dubious motivations that could end up as tragedy.
"Common sense, will prevail,hopefully." No it will not. NATO has told Ukrn no since 2008 and they still keep asking. I had been rejected more than once I would have walked away. That would be "common sense".
@@hymns4ever197Putler would have zero say in the matter if we weren’t giving him say in the matter. If we just accepted Ukraine right now-or at least the unoccupied parts-then there’s literally nothing Putler could do other than starting a suicidal war with NATO that would end with him dead. Putler is evil but not suicidal, so he’d back down, just like every other time he’s been faced with a hopeless military situation.
The idea is that Ukraine ratifies those territories it lost to Russia in the war as Russian and immediately gets admitted into NATO. Not going to happen though.
America is NATO and every other nation depends on America for its protection. Can you stop inviting in another nation that America will have to carry? Ukrn does not belong in NATO full stop.
We know that NATO, a group of powerful countries, would beat Russia, but NATO is supposed to be a defensive organization, and ukrain is not part of it and never should be. If NATO does get involved, then it becomes an offensive organization, which many think that it is given its recent history.
Although I want peace. Ukraine cant become members of EU. There is way too much corruption in Ukraine and the behaviour is settled in all of Ukraine society. It will take many years to change ukrainian attitude towards corruption I fear. Please dont turn a blind eye to this fact.
The UK were the leaders, LOL, why would anyone get upset about your support, you gave so little that it probably cost the UK more to send the kit then Ukraine benefiting from it.🙃
The Biden administration is urging Zelensky to lower the draft age from 25 to 18 to boost the military amid the ongoing conflict with Russia, but such a move could have detrimental effects on Ukraine's struggling demographics. As of August, Ukraine's death rate was triple that of the birth rate, as the war with Russia has taken its toll. The first half of this year saw a 9 percent decrease in the numbers of children born in comparison to 2023, and the death to birth ratio has continued to increase since 2020. The population has fallen by 10 million due to deaths, refugees leaving to seek asylum, and fertility issues since the SMO began in 2022, according to Reuters. If bill 12076 is passed and women are allowed to be registered for conscription: Many women face significant barriers to starting families due to instability, increased caregiving responsibilities, and disrupted access to healthcare caused by the SMO. As the SMO continues, these challenges could deepen, leading to a further reduction in birth rates and adding strain to an already declining population. Female-headed households, which are projected to grow due to displacement and men going to war, already face disproportionate and unique economic and social pressures. Compared to other countries in the region, Ukraine's birth rate at just under one child per woman, is the lowest in the region, and in Europe." The demographic challenges are more acute in Ukraine due to the disruptions caused by the ongoing SMO, such as large-scale displacement and economic instability. The war has also led to millions of refugees, many of them young, leaving the country. These factors place Ukraine in a more precarious demographic position compared to neighboring countries. The long-term ramifications of decreasing birth rates and overall population decline in Ukraine extend beyond the immediate loss of human capital to include economic instability, labor shortages and weakened social systems. With an aging population and high out-migration, the country faces a compounding decline in its workforce, which threatens the viability of its recovery efforts. Without substantial interventions, these demographic trends could undermine Ukraine's ability to sustain its development and maintain social cohesion. The ongoing conflict remains a significant barrier, the need for peace to secure a sustainable demographic future, peace is essential for sustainable recovery.
Here’s a tip, Ivan. If you’re going to pretend not to be a Ruzzian bot, it’s best not to use the term “SMO” unless you’re making fun of Putin’s failures. Now run along and collect your potato and 20 rubles for the day.
For your information there are also US Troops in Syria who occupy Syrian territory without the consent of the Syria government for nearly 14 years training, equipping and financing the Syrian rebels.
Ukraine needs to follow the Austrian solution - become a neutral country in exchange for liberation from Russia Membership of NATO is useless when the NATO members have made clear that they will not fight Russia for Ukraine
Ukraine in NATO would be a strategic Russian defeat. That's precisely why Ukraine will never be in NATO. A strategic defeat cannot happen, it means nuclear annihilation for everyone. Imagine we were talking strategic defeat for the USA. Do you think they would hesitate to go nuclear? This escalation has to stop.
@@eduardosolorzano9909 pure melodrama. If russia's existence is under threat from an embarrassing failed border war then it probably shouldn't start such adventures and fix it's glaring shortcomings
@jiminbmth Ukraine already lost this war brainwashed Muppet 😆 😂 no economy no infrastructure money electricity or water is going to be very cold in Ukraine I hear
When I read comments from the pro kremlin mob I have the feeling that they stem from an inner urge to strictly comply with the agenda of the aformentioned criminal institution: you appear as a completely brainwashed herd of bleating sheep clueless and servile.@@Gaia1980-xv1mt
It was the Czech Republic that was the first to send tanks to Ukraine and the second was Poland.
Why that need to steal credit from others ?
@@dirkdupont5004 the UK sent the first Western Main Battle Tanks when we sent the Challenger 2 over .... I know we only sent about 14 and some spares etc but it was the catalyst to get Germany to release the Leopards and America the Abraham's
@@petersmith7126 He said tanks, not western tanks. (why do you use capital letters?) Sunak, as Prime Minister, also made the same "slip of the tongue" on the world stage.
Nothing was corrected, not by that Times Radio journalist nor was there any correction after Sunak's "little mistake". I find this incredibly disrespectful to, in this case the Czech Republic, Poland and other Baltic states who had already sent T-tanks and MIGS before the UK had sent any significant weapons.
Don't you agree?
In the (social) media I also regularly read (and hear) that persistent lie that the UK was the first country to send weapons to Ukraine.
There are a number of these historical persistent "mistakes" that are only accepted as truth in the UK. It goes without saying that they all glorify the UK. It also goes without saying that they are all disrespectful to the truth and others within that truth, such as the Czech Republic, Poland and other Baltic states in this case.
Perhaps you should learn history and not, as here, give it to others.
@@petersmith7126 BTW: the West's reaction to that war was and still is pathetic. It is not for nothing that people in Ukraine say that the West sends enough weapons so that Ukraine does not lose the war but also does not win it. And that at the cost of many Ukrainian (and Russian) lives.
No Western country has any reason to wave their little flag, not now and not in the future. Because that is what the intention is to (falsely) emphasize that the UK was the first to send tanks to Ukraine: so that you can wave your little flag.
Unless you can convince me of another reason.
So I ask it again: why that need ?
@dirkdupont5004 ...I've always said that we never sent enough to Ukraine and I'll stand tin court and admit it if needed.... I'm not waving a flag about us sending tanks but if we hadn't then nobody else was .... Our 14 Challenger 2 tanks opened up the release of Leopards and Abraham's which still wouldn't be there if we'd not ..... I'd have loved us to send more but we simply don't have them
@@dirkdupont5004 .... The Soviet era tanks sent by Poland etc were a godsend and helped Ukraine but we're no better than their own tanks and no better than the Russian tanks .... Ukraine was begging for MBT from the West end nobody was willing to send them.... Germany said no to re-exporting Leopard Tanks and America wasn't sending the Abraham....that changed once the Challenger 2 was released to go
The Soviet Era MIGs he supplied to Ukraine helped immensely too but again were no better than their own or the Russians aircraft and the F-16 changed that but again they've not got enough of them.
❤Ukraine ❤
Ее уже нет )
If Ukraine is to win it must have nato & EU membership so Russia can't influence the future political governance. Its all about Power & who controls it (west or russia) in Kiev!
100 💯 percent
Ukraine was 22th biggest economy in Europe .
Its irrelevant for future of Europe who controls Kiev
@@goenzoy712It is highly relevant- and would be much richer and more advanced after a few years of E.U. membership. And safe under NATO…
Well, Russia now control Georgia having interfered in their Election and installed yet another Putin man as leader all AGAINST the voters wishes.
@@davidmacdonald1695😂 how? Many countries in the eu are dying.
10 years from now Pootin will be dead, Ukraine will be prospering under NATO membership, and the Russian population will be living in abject poverty
😂
@@markgaines2550 Lets talk 10 years from now.
Kremlin has no shortage of evil people after pootin gone
In 10 years time when the war is over but North Korea is the superior partner in the relationship and makes Russia mobilise to fight the USA in South Korea.
From your lips to God’s ears.
Stand with Ukraine!
Why?
James heapy the best in town love the man with his insights ❤😊
The delay in supplying Ukraine in Feb and Mar was understandable as we didn't want yet another Afghanistan on our hands where their armed forces melted away in the night....
Once we knew this wasn't happening we should have been on a war footing and supplying the F-16 and Tanks along with the training to use and maintain them by the end of 2022, if we had I'm pretty sure their 2023 counter attacks may have had more success and the war could easily have been over by now ....
We should also have faced up to Russia more robustly with the threat of even more supplies for every attack that they launched on civilian targets throughout Ukraine
I think Europeans are morally too weak, too scared, too stingy, too lacking in love of freedom to invest in defewnse to sustain a free civilization without Americans.
Absolutely correct. Biden’s slow-walking of aid in summer/fall of 2022 likely cost Ukraine a chance to take back all of southern Ukraine, all of the Kharkiv oblast, Crimea, and possibly even occupied Donetsk and Luhansk, although the latter would be harder due to Ruzzia having 8 years to prepare defenses there. Ruzzia’s army was in terrible shape from a manpower, logistics, production, and leadership/training perspective at that time. Ukraine had mobilized first and therefore had developed a manpower advantage over the spring and summer of 2022 (due also to disproportionate Ruzzian casualties). All Ukraine really needed was plenty of equipment and ammo, and Ruzzia was toast on the battlefield. And while Putin did supposedly consider using tactical nukes against Ukraine in this event, all it took was one stern threat from the US to send him scurrying away from “the button” with his tail between his legs (which is further evidence that Putin has no intention of starting a nuclear war with anyone who can nuke him back).
The war was lost at this point.
@icu17siberia .... Nobody denied that but that training should have been in place by mid to late 2022.... We supplied what we think they need and not what they know they need.
In an 1852 essay, Karl Marx famously remarked that all great events and personalities in history occur twice - once as tragedy and the second time as farce.
Today’s United States may well be in for a variant of Marx’s dictum. The country is currently experiencing the farcical stage of a charismatic leader with dubious motivations that could end up as tragedy.
And what a shocker you're referencing Marx...
@@JoeBennett-j9c Marx was great at identifying the problems. But terrible at proposing a solution.
Meaning the little Jewish comic turned absolute dictator of Ukraine??
Common sense, will prevail,hopefully.
"Common sense, will prevail,hopefully."
No it will not. NATO has told Ukrn no since 2008 and they still keep asking. I had been rejected more than once I would have walked away. That would be "common sense".
@@ragingmonk6080
Why lie komrade? We all know putler is the invader, and the ruSSian people are also being sacrificed for his ‘glory’
Heappey sounded more balanced than the Times reporter.
Thanks!
Yes. He is right
All ceding land accomplishes is letting the aggressor know for sure that he can come back at a later date for the rest ! 🙃
Lol. Times Radio analysts always speaking from dreamland...
NATO must step in
"NATO must step in"
Not our problem.
🤦♂️
Why would NATO step in for a non-member country ?
Lead the way, Chief.
Did nato ever get over their humiliation in Afghanistan?
😂
Another "Journalistic media" with "experts" on their basements.
ваши Челенджеры горят так же как и Абрамсы и Леопарды, присылайте ещё, у нас открыли сезон охоты по движущимся мишеням 😀😀😀
Not very realistic.
That’s not going to happen. Period
Exactly, Putler will never allow NATO membership as part of a peace deal.
@@hymns4ever197Putler would have zero say in the matter if we weren’t giving him say in the matter. If we just accepted Ukraine right now-or at least the unoccupied parts-then there’s literally nothing Putler could do other than starting a suicidal war with NATO that would end with him dead. Putler is evil but not suicidal, so he’d back down, just like every other time he’s been faced with a hopeless military situation.
Putler is oxymoron. For nazistic elements you must see Kiev 😂
How can it join NATO if it doesn’t have fixed or known borders?
It’s got borders it’s just that Putin keeps trying to change them
The idea is that Ukraine ratifies those territories it lost to Russia in the war as Russian and immediately gets admitted into NATO.
Not going to happen though.
times radio i think you are a fool 2x more than most peoples in the world know about you , you won't fool russian any more,
America is NATO and every other nation depends on America for its protection. Can you stop inviting in another nation that America will have to carry? Ukrn does not belong in NATO full stop.
Ukraine would be a more valuable partner to NATO than half the current members.
nato is a country??
NATO RULES STATE THAT NO COUNTRY ENGAGED IN WARFARE MAY JOIN>.
So what? Russia signed at deal not to invade Ukraine, and defend it.
I don't make the rules up.
@@alancx523what deal was that?
@@artbargestudio no one gave you that credit
@@VintageClips-rf7kt you serious? Wow.....
We know that NATO, a group of powerful countries, would beat Russia, but NATO is supposed to be a defensive organization, and ukrain is not
part of it and never should be.
If NATO does get involved, then it becomes an offensive organization, which many think that it is given its recent history.
Nato got humiliated in Afghanistan, they hide behind Ukraine like cowards, they wouldn't stand a chance against russia 32 v 1 😂
@jamesgreen1116 😂😂😂 OK . Didn't Russia / USSR get humiliated? As apposed the the US told to leave.
Although I want peace. Ukraine cant become members of EU. There is way too much corruption in Ukraine and the behaviour is settled in all of Ukraine society. It will take many years to change ukrainian attitude towards corruption I fear. Please dont turn a blind eye to this fact.
Not nearly as corrupt as Hungary or the USA.
Coping with loss is hard. Ukraine isn't going to join NATO. Time to deal with that.
earth is flat!
The UK were the leaders, LOL, why would anyone get upset about your support, you gave so little that it probably cost the UK more to send the kit then Ukraine benefiting from it.🙃
The Biden administration is urging Zelensky to lower the draft age from 25 to 18 to boost the military amid the ongoing conflict with Russia, but such a move could have detrimental effects on Ukraine's struggling demographics. As of August, Ukraine's death rate was triple that of the birth rate, as the war with Russia has taken its toll. The first half of this year saw a 9 percent decrease in the numbers of children born in comparison to 2023, and the death to birth ratio has continued to increase since 2020.
The population has fallen by 10 million due to deaths, refugees leaving to seek asylum, and fertility issues since the SMO began in 2022, according to Reuters.
If bill 12076 is passed and women are allowed to be registered for conscription: Many women face significant barriers to starting families due to instability, increased caregiving responsibilities, and disrupted access to healthcare caused by the SMO. As the SMO continues, these challenges could deepen, leading to a further reduction in birth rates and adding strain to an already declining population. Female-headed households, which are projected to grow due to displacement and men going to war, already face disproportionate and unique economic and social pressures.
Compared to other countries in the region, Ukraine's birth rate at just under one child per woman, is the lowest in the region, and in Europe." The demographic challenges are more acute in Ukraine due to the disruptions caused by the ongoing SMO, such as large-scale displacement and economic instability. The war has also led to millions of refugees, many of them young, leaving the country. These factors place Ukraine in a more precarious demographic position compared to neighboring countries.
The long-term ramifications of decreasing birth rates and overall population decline in Ukraine extend beyond the immediate loss of human capital to include economic instability, labor shortages and weakened social systems. With an aging population and high out-migration, the country faces a compounding decline in its workforce, which threatens the viability of its recovery efforts. Without substantial interventions, these demographic trends could undermine Ukraine's ability to sustain its development and maintain social cohesion.
The ongoing conflict remains a significant barrier, the need for peace to secure a sustainable demographic future, peace is essential for sustainable recovery.
Ivan go home
lol...
@@dirtyharry6297 🐷🪓
Here’s a tip, Ivan. If you’re going to pretend not to be a Ruzzian bot, it’s best not to use the term “SMO” unless you’re making fun of Putin’s failures. Now run along and collect your potato and 20 rubles for the day.
@@dirtyharry6297he can't. He needs to stand in his breadline.
NATO: No Action Talks Only
Chances of the ukraine joining NATO: slim and none and slim just left town...
NATO is too scared. Pootin knows we are not used to the long waiting game.
Yes lame duck, a waste of money time and effort on our part.
Scared like Russian troops running from Syria like the cowards they are
@@paulwilliams5121 Worse then that, Nato ran before they even got started.
For your information there are also US Troops in Syria who occupy Syrian territory without the consent of the Syria government for nearly 14 years training, equipping and financing the Syrian rebels.
@@Leadbelly. "Worse then that, Nato ran before they even got started."
U.S. and Turkey are still in Syria, your wrong.
😂😂😂😂😂
why not make europe a part of ukraine?...like a new oblast of ukraine...then zelensky would be the lawful ruler of europe !!!
"why not make europe a part of ukraine?."
Corrupt and dirt poor with no military? What would that solve?
Ukraine needs to follow the Austrian solution - become a neutral country in exchange for liberation from Russia
Membership of NATO is useless when the NATO members have made clear that they will not fight Russia for Ukraine
Ukraine is loosing the war says minister of the Dutch defence.
Ukraine in NATO would be a strategic Russian defeat. That's precisely why Ukraine will never be in NATO. A strategic defeat cannot happen, it means nuclear annihilation for everyone. Imagine we were talking strategic defeat for the USA. Do you think they would hesitate to go nuclear? This escalation has to stop.
Ukraine is not going to win,
Russia isn’t going to lose
A country with a strong atomic weapons can’t be defeated
Then why was the US defeated in Vietnam or the Soviets in Afghanistan?
@ because in both cases they didn’t want to use those weapons. But in this case is different because here they are fighting for their existence
@@eduardosolorzano9909 pure melodrama. If russia's existence is under threat from an embarrassing failed border war then it probably shouldn't start such adventures and fix it's glaring shortcomings
Your 'Click-up' ads are really pathetic. I will never buy that useless product.
You get advertising as you deserve
😅😅😅😅 yeah sure Ukraine into nato dream on this will not happen 😅
Never be allowed tanks or planes or missiles...wait...
Russia is defeated, militarily economically and socially. It just doesn't know it yet 😅
@jiminbmth Ukraine already lost this war brainwashed Muppet 😆 😂 no economy no infrastructure money electricity or water is going to be very cold in Ukraine I hear
What you typed is just propaganda and completely false. Ukraine has lost the war and never stood a chance against Russia even with western support.
When I read comments from the pro kremlin mob I have the feeling that they stem from an inner urge to strictly comply with the agenda of the aformentioned criminal institution: you appear as a completely brainwashed herd of bleating sheep clueless and servile.@@Gaia1980-xv1mt