GTA Trilogy Definitive Edition - 1 Year Review
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- Опубліковано 13 чер 2024
- The GTA Trilogy Definitive Edition was panned by everyone on release, but has it improved 1 year later? In this video, let's go through what the definitive edition did better than the originals, what it did worse, who's to blame for its poor quality, and whether you should buy it or not.
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Digital Foundry Performance Reviews:
III on launch - • Grand Theft Auto 3 Def...
VC+SA on launch - • Grand Theft Auto Vice ...
III+VC+SA after patches - • Grand Theft Auto Trilo...
Mods seen in this video:
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Chapters:
00:00 - Introduction
01:01 - The Good - Things the GTA Trilogy Did Correctly
01:58 - The Lighting
05:12 - The Vegetation
07:15 - The Small Details
09:29 - What modders have also done, that these games replicate…
10:18 - The Meh - Things the GTA Trilogy Tried… But Didn’t Really Work
10:28 - Fake 3D Interiors
11:43 - The Effects
13:19 - The Clouds
13:58 - The Character Models
15:51 - The Other Models & Textures
18:36 - The Bad - Things the GTA Trilogy Did Wrong
19:04 - The Unreal Engine
20:18 - The Weather
25:27 - The Performance
27:17 - Should you buy it?
28:06 - What should have been done instead?
28:18 - Option #1
29:30 - Option #2
30:22 - What we got…
32:00 - Who’s to blame for the poor quality of the Definitive Editions?
33:24 - Conclusion
Music:
Track #1: Grand Theft Auto: III - Theme (All Chapters)
#GTA #GTATrilogy #GTA3 #GTAViceCity #GTASanAndreas - Ігри
NOTE: At 24:33 there's a typo. Right is meant to be EXTRASUNNY_SF, not EXTRASUNNY_LA.
Also yes, Rockstar called LS "LA" in the weather settings.
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My main complaints for the Definitive Edition aren't the bugs or some of the gameplay tweaks, because the PC ports for the originals were already broken in the first place and are almost unplayable on modern hardware if you're not using mods. My main complaints for the Definitive Edition was how they completely butchered the atmosphere of the originals AND removed the originals from digital stores. This means that future generations that wants to play these classic's either has to pirate the originals if they don't own a PS2 or original Xbox or buy the Definitive Edition. If they chose the latter, most likely they'll get terrible impressions and shrug these games off as bland and generic.
Sure, objectively the Definitive Edition has better graphical fidelity such as real time lighting and shadows and improved vegetation like you mentioned in the video. But none of these mean jack shit when they look incredibly out of place and ruin the art style the originals were going for.
This^^
Agreed about the atmosphere being butchered. I avoided the discussion about the originals being removed from digital stores in this video because I wanted to focus solely on the quality of the games themselves, but yeah, Rockstar are trying their best to bury the original games.
I disagree about the real time lighting, shadows and vegetation however. I think they fit in really well and it's something I always wanted to see in these games. However not replicating the colour filter of the original games definitely ruins the atmosphere and like you said, makes them look terribly bland and generic.
It also doesn't help that they add improved graphical fidelity like that and still use the same textures from 2001-2004 that were lazily AI upscaled. The game just looks like some shitty cartoon mobile game.
Even the "real-time shadows" are half butchered, they don't update smoothly at all & just scroll to their next position suddenly after some time passed.
Everything that's good about it is what's good about UE4, not the actual effort put into the conversion itself (which is piss-poor due to unrealistic development timelines).
You know damn well you can find a original copy in the old great internet if you look hard enough. Rockstar fucked up on removing them but because we made a lot noise, they discount this edition heavily *50% on steam for the winter sale 2022* and added the originals back to the Rockstar launcher. Plus true hardcore fans out there already added the music back into the games. In the end of the day play whatever version you want and enjoy it. I had some good memories on these old games and I can't wait to play them again in HD.
One good thing for sure about the Definitive Edition is that it inspired me to learn how to mod the old games
Trust me, none of the ENB's for the old games look as good as this, they have many bugs and are poorly optimized.
@@thirdhandlv4231 true, Reshades and ENBs are way easier to use on DE. I personally don't use them on the OG trilogy though
@@thirdhandlv4231 you have SkyGFX, DirectX as best graphics mod out there for OG San Andreas, they're far more better and beautiful than Defective Editions graphics
@@Roy3.16 Well first off they aren't, shadows flicker a lot, theres no distant fog so theres just a line where the map stops rendering, many places simply don't have shadows and they look horrendous and unfinished, and the performance is horrible and unoptimized.
It looks good in some circumstances and runs like shit.
Meanwhile Definitive Edition uses Unreal Engine 4 which does a much much much better job then any vanilla mods do.
It runs much better and looks much better.
Stuff like dynamic shadows are completely impossible in vanilla SA.
Real time shadows and reflections.
Directx can look actually good in some circumstances but most of the time it just look weird and unfinished.
Like cmon man they really couldn't add distant fog?
3 and VC don't even have ENB's so that is an easy win for the definitive edition.
@@thirdhandlv4231 SkyGFX in GTA 3, Vice City and San Andreas works perfectly, on the other side Defective Editions graphics is poorly and cheaply optimised, full of bugs and glitches, most of the players still prefer OG GTA Trilogy over Defective Edition not only because of graphics mods which makes the original ones much more better in visuals but also originals don't have bugs like invisible bridge in Angel Pine, broken and ugly character models, all 3 games look exact same in Defective Edition while in originals all 3 of them has it's own unique kind of atmosphere, water reflections are horrible in Defective Edition, misssing many songs in all 3 of them in Def. Edition, gameplay and shooting are horribly optimised, main 3 protagonists are look like they made of plastic or similar like that, they completely changed Tommy from a mob leader into a college student, and graphics are horrible specially in San Andreas as there's no fog, everything is kinda dark, can see mount chiliad from Las Venturas which absolutely killed the atmosphere of the game, and even Rockstar apologised for their horrible release of Defective Edition just after 1 week of it's release so it speaks for itself how horrible Defective Edition really is, no matter 1 or 2 out of 100 guys try to defend it but still after 1 year of release Defective Edition s***s and always will be
The one thing i aprecciate a lot in the Definitive Edition, and that many people dont give enough aprecciation is that they put a bit of effort to make GTA 3 more tolerable, a better autoaim system and not the strange glitchy camera it had on PS2 (and overall better camera controls) a map with all of the icons permanently there and replay missions quickly.
But some of those you can also just patch them on the PC OG...
Thank you for actually going into more detail than just the visual bugs. The vast majority is so unhelpful when trying to learn if these games are playable.
All the good things were made by unreal engine
Very true
Yes, Unreal Engine magically created brand new models and textures, very true.
Seriously though, there are many good looking models and textures throughout the games, I imagine GSG just didn't have enough time to properly redo everything and the AI upscaling on some textures were likely meant to be placeholders.
true
@@nullcoreproject the models look like they ran it through Waifu2x ( an ai upscaling app) like 3 times.
And all the bad, lol
Rockstar already knew GSG were incapable of remastering old games
They were the ones responsible for San Andreas Xbox 360 edition which despite being on new hardware, looked worse and outright removed a lot of stuff from the PS2 version.
It’s not as bad as I think it is so much worse
I still can't believe they haven't 100% fixed these games and made them perfect yet...
That's the AAA game industry nowadays. Another notable example would be the recent "Dead Space" remake. It released with serious performance issues on all platforms. It also had tons of bugs and glitches. It was a mess. The devs/publisher released one single small patch a few weeks after the game released, which didn't fix anything, and then they *abandoned* the game completely when it's still a mess. Pardon the rambling about an unrelated game, but it's another example of how careless AAA publishers are nowadays. It's pretty crazy.
I wish GTA 3 definitive edition and GTA vice city definitive edition had more mods
One of the smaller issues I don't see mentioned a whole lot is the aggressive screen-space ambient occlusion that makes it look like every model just black holes all the light going into small enough gaps and crevices. At 11:10 you can very clearly see it in action with Tommy and the peds having this ominous black glow around them particularly around their arms and legs. The very stark bright lighting combined with the sharper textures and the ambient occlusion makes the games a lot harsher to look at. It's like they jacked up the contrast in a photo-editor.
This is by far the best analysis of the GTA Trilogy yet. Thank you for producing this. And by pure coincidence, the Trilogy just came out on Steam for half price (30 USD), so decided to get it. I still debated whether to get it, as I don't want to encourage this sort of "cheaping out" by Rockstar and TT, but I really wanted to play the games again; it's been years. And like you said, I don't really blame Grove Street Games at all. I think all/most of the blame falls on TT and Rockstar. All things considered, I think they did a decent job. I just hope that now that the Trilogy is on Steam and presumably a lot more people will play it, I hope they take the time to address more of the outstanding issues/bugs.
that 50% is a good deal. I got mine on the winter sale 2022
@@210420rocky Even R* themselves decided 2 gift the original versions digitally 2 anyone who bought it b4 June 2022 after the bad reception of Trilogy, that's how bad they slacked on it
32:44 Rockstar and Take-Two in 2021 before developing Defective Edition were like "We Got Caught Up In The Money, The Power.. We Don't Give A S**t Man", they also removed the original 3D trilogy from steam and other retail stores, also they removed re3, revc, Liberty City Stories PC Edition and Vice City Stories PC Edition for this quick cash grab garbage but these backfired on them badly as most of the community rejected this tragic Defective Edition, Grove Street Games only have 190-200 mobile game developers while project like this at least need 800-900 experienced PC game developers so we can't actually blame GSG for this mess, it was Rockstar rather Take-Two's fault.. glad I didn't buy this crap and modded all 3 original games with the help of justGesha, all 3 games look way more beautiful than Defective Edition and performances are very good too
11:06 Screamin' Colins (air) Guitars: _Everything must go!_ 🤭
I never really experienced any issues while playing the trilogy a year ago and thought it was so much better then realized the issues on UA-cam and my opinion changed
The bugs in this game never bugged me because the older versions of this game had bugs to.
I was expecting you to give the Mafia: Definitive Edition (2020) as an example of a proper remake.
they made the characters look like different people and put in worse voice acting
It's bad. There's no going around it. The first thing that came to my mind upon seeing the live footage of DE was that they aren't buying me with Unreal lighting. Of course it's more technically advanced and it may look better than 2dfx, but not necessarilly at all times, not even there, where the advantage should be obvious. Just take a look at explosions at night; lighting looks more like sun shine than the actual light casted by a nade or something.
It's sad when you think about it; they could have easily pull this cash grab off with doing one thing and one thing alone the right way - without tremendeous backlash that is: color filters and atmospheric effects. That's exactly where the heart and soul of the classics was. Just think about it, due to those mentioned things, Vice was subjectively set in the 80's in our minds - just like SA and III in the same sense. Now all 3 look like they've been set in 2021.
As always, great video man!
It's 100% bad for the biggest gaming franchise ever to get a release like this. But I do think what GSG created was acceptable considering their lack of experience and small team size, but it's still not good enough that Rockstar thought this quality was acceptable for the franchise and then wanted fans to pay full price for it.
Thank you, I appreciate it!
@@TJGM GSG broke mobile ports, SA remastered, and now DE, >GSG shiller detected 😆😁🤦♂️
@@TJGM I would have definitely tried to agree that gsg did a decent job even in that narrowed sense of things, if it wasn't for the GTA modding community that have been continuously bringing quality to the table over the course of past 10 years with ' no bs mods ' and their efforts in fixing, maintaining and reviving the classics. For free. People with the likes of Silent, TheHero, Ash, ThirteenAG, just to name a few, have raised the bar so high and in doing so they dwarfed the works of gsg even in a head to head comparison by such a large margin, it's ridiculous. Also to mention countless other lesser known community members with smaller tweaks and fixes and general devotion in helping us all better understand how to use those mods, just like yourself. Hell, even people nowadays who try to fix the DE version, working upon gsg take on the classics.
Ultimately, it's saddening seeing how t2 and r* didn't really care, like at all, in bringing us the ultimate version of the classics and going further, they have clearly showed a complete incompetence and lack of knowledge in recognizing what these classics are and what they represent.
Thank you man! For doing such an excellent job. You really helped me fortify and expand knowledge about my favorite GTA mods! I really enjoy watching your videos, keep up the great job! Cheers!
@@aerton091 This is totally what I meant! Great job at describing 👊
Well, to be fair, even the OG trilogy had aesthetic changes between PS2 and PC, especially San Andreas. But the Definitive Edition doesnt seem to choose any of both.
I still don’t understand why Rockstar palmed off their main cash cow game to an outside studio, worst decision ever. Also why didn’t they release each game individually on their 20th anniversary and then release GTA 6 in 2025 one year after San Andreas remastered dropped. This keeps people playing GTA from 2021 to 2025 and stops all the memes about being dead by the time they release another game while also allowing Rockstar more time between games to make sure any bugs/glitches/issues are fully fixed. They had an amazing opportunity with these definitive editions, and they blew it so badly.
Agreed 💯
Their "main cash cow game"? What the hell are you talking about? GTA Online is their main cash cow.
@@DeadPixel1105 GTA is Rockstars main cash cow game, they also make other games ya know.
My dream was to have Bluepoint games remastering these games. I loved their remasters of the Uncharted, God of War, and Metal Gear Solid series. Their remakes of Shadow of the Colossus and Demon's Souls were also incredible.
Which Metal Gear did Bluepoint remake?
I've completely missed this release
@@MisterNoah there was an hd collection of MGS 2, 3, and Peace Walker that was done by them, it’s a great remaster of those games
correction: Genki worked on Peacewalker, not BluePoint@@dncewzrd
@@jenerossitea9247 thanks for the info, I should have done a bit of research haha
It would have been amazing to have a remake of these games in the RAGE engine… it just goes to show you how much Rockstar really cares about the games that made them legendary. Speaking of the RAGE engine, I wonder why they didn’t just use that instead of UE4, did GSG not have access to Rockstar’s resources?
Bro wants GTA 6 to never come out
@@stefan_4508 of course I do, but shit man, they could’ve put a little more effort into it
🤡🤡
@@stefan_4508its going to be bull shi anyway
@@Valen1ftrailer looked pretty good in my opinion.
Even tho it’s got its flaws it’s really nice to see they still update these games for us to re visit if I could
Change one thing it be the weather affects and the original games the weather felt like it had more mist and moisture in the air it blew around, making it feel more realistic also San Andreas had a nice heat Waves affect during sunny hot days gave u the feeling it was really hot out
They did not used their own Engine. RAGE would have been much much better. All of their best top tier games use RAGE. RDR, GTA4, GTA5, RDR2
It is as bad as i think.
There are certain things that matter to me personally. And somethings that dont.
Things like big, shiny, realistic textures is not something that matters to me personally. Im more about art style, aesthetics, atmospher. The original trilogy was designed a way for a reason. That thought was not put into the remaster so it loses its charm. It doesnt even have its soundtrack. Yeah i know its about licenses but T2 and R* are among the biggest gaming companies. They made a ton of money from GTA V and microtransactions and yet still took shortcuts.
I already have to download unofficial fixes for the original trilogy. Now i would also have to download unofficial fixes for the remasters. So why am i paying again just to fix a game myself.
So you are playing the remastered version? , What are your suggestions should I play the DE even if I get avg 45 FPS
was very good video. thank you TJGM
Hi, can you please do a video on modding and downgrading the Rockstar Games Launcher versions of the original PC ports of GTA Vice City and GTA III? Your San Andreas video helped me a lot, but I can never find any good guides on modding 3 or VC on RGL, all of the guides I find are for the Steam versions only.
19:25 So I guess it's "Underware Engine" 💀
I just downloaded it just to test it on my 8gb ram pc and it run surprisingly well around 60fps and I don't run into a single issue yet. But it does have some input lag but it really not happen that often. The lack of draw distance does bother me alot though
I believe another good option would have been to just make these games one by one for theit anniversaries. GTA 3 is obviously the best of the "remasters" because they spent the most time on it. They could have just focused on GTA 3 and made it great and use that experience to make VC and SA
I wouldn't say GSG worked on the game alone. If the credits for these games are anything to go by most of the heavy lifting upgrading assets like textures, models and level design are likely outsourced to a cheap development company from abroad. It perfectly explains why the games were so riddled with cursed pedestrian models, overuse of AI-upscaled textures, and blatant translation errors; the outsourced company likely had little artistic guidance and was too culturally disconnected to accurately translate what they're given. The rest of the "improvements" like real-time lighting, faux interior mapping and vegetation could easily be chalked down to basic UE4 features that require minimal implementation. But beyond the graphic wrapper over the original game code, GSG did little to fix issues beyond barebones QoL improvements. Many of the bugs that were present in the original versions remained in DE upon launch.
It's for these reasons that I stand by my position that GSG did the bare minimum of what you consider to be a remaster.
Completely wrong. CGG did not outsource the work to any other company abroad. The AI-upscaling is responsible for the 'translation errors'. What an idiotic theory.
I really wonder how a full remake of the games would have turned out. These games (especially III/VC) had a very arcade feeling that would probably be gone with a remake, and when you strip that away what you're left with is quite barebones. It would basically be a game full of generic missions like you'd find them using to pad out GTA Online. It would require not only a full remake of the technical aspects, but most importanty, of the design.
My problem is bugs, glitches and i can't see anything in some places with shadows, shadows make places too dark
This still a good game to play or it is just a waste of time and money ?
As someone who plays on console (xbox one), this is the best version for me to play on the hardware i have. Pc is very different but if your only on console sure they arent perfect but if its this gta:SA DE version or the 360 port it bests that port by a long way. Paid £40 for the DE not long after it came out and was on sale and i would do it again.
Absolutely agree
I prefer play in PC lol
can you do a tutorial video on Vice City's Maxo's Vehicle Loader?? that'd be great since that mod has lots of features to configure
I'd like to after I finish my next guide.
@@TJGM thank you, that mod causes alot of crash whenever I try to start a new game from already playing save game or new game
very informative video
enjoyed the time I spent here today
Will they port this game to unreal 5?
Hey bro, help me
I have installing all Cleo redux option and ultimate asi loader. I have install SABulletTime.js, and other js script, but that all not working.
I don't know what to do
In cleo_redux.log it says
[ERROR] 'Player' is not defined at (D:\Gta San Andreas Defin....etc
Can you help me? I want to run that bullet time script
Great comprehensive video mate :)
My biggest issues with these games is the completely butchered aircraft controls. Because of this, I would definitely class San Andreas and Vice City as 'unplayable' due to the prominence of aircraft in these two games, especially the former. There's other controls that got butchered too, but the better (good, even) aiming & the addition of a solid (though not flawless) mouse look in vehicles for GTAVC and III make up for that.
The Dodo doesn't play an important role in III (I haven't even tried flying it since they patched it), and so GTA3TDE honestly is perfectly fine and for me is a hard recommend over the original, simply because the best thing about TTTDE is that these games run out of the box, whereas the originals you'd have to do hour long fuckery involving dll's, asi's and Goddess knows what else in order to get the game to run somewhat properly.
Combined with the many, many other small issues that have been introduced in all these games, I am not thinking of playing these versions ever again. While all these issues separately are small, the sheer quantity of them makes it so that 'ooh fancy lighting' is FAR from enough to make up for it, even if these remasters ended up looking like the next Crysis. For VC and SA, I can only recommend to play neither the DE or OG version, and play TrackMania or some shit instead (and at that point, might as well give GTA3 a miss too). Although I could still recommend OG SA because of the content mods if youre interested in that (silent patch & graphical enhancements dont count).
If anyone has the classic GTA Trilogy on ps4 could you gameshare it with me. I want to play and try to platinum the original GTA Trilogy. To make it fair I will gameshare the games that I have to the person that helps me out.
Same here, I returned trilogy "demaster" a lil after June 2022 & they took the originals off ps store- I'd appreciate it
I have GTA SA definitive edition, should I play that or should I play the original, my laptop cannot handle enb based mods very well so the best I can get is ROSA project mod , and for definitive edition too my frames drop to 40 very frequently
I actually quite like the DE and I'm saying this as a long time fan of the classic gta games. GTA 3 and Vice City are really well done imo. San Andreas on the other hand sure does have way too many issues and bugs. The draw distance is way too high, distance level of detail is completly messed up and the they completly butchered the flying controls by implementing them from the mobile version. I still hope that there will be future patches to adress these issues.
Really liked your video! It was nice to see someone having a look at the DE without some sort of bias. The internet acts like as if these games are the worst to ever be released which is far from the truth in my eyes.
I think if they take DE in next decade and make REMAKES - that would actually be good and what those games needed (imo). If I want to play an old game I'm going to play an old game and graphics wouldn't be something I would mind.
They should fix all those issues, remake the animations, make better models and create something that would have similar story line, but gameplay similar to modern games.
tl;dr - They should make The Resident Evil Remakes for GTA
I think there are a lot of cool things they tried to add to this, I hope mods can fix some of the issues with these versions.
I'm so glad I bought all of them on PC for cheap, when I realised that the DE was coming out and would likely lack or even surpress all the modding work done for them over the years, because R* tipped their hand as at the time they began harassing modders and scheduled the take down of Steam versions.
Now you can't even buy them except for astronomical prices on key sites!
Got the DE on sale and recently (re)played Vice City. Before settling on playing the DE edition of Vice City I tried the classic Vice City edition with the definitive mod to make it playable on modern PCs. Compared both versions and decided that the DE feels much more modern to play, and also looks much better than the classic version. While in screenshots the DE can look weird, comparing both playing each other the DE edition is (imo) much better and more modern. Just installed a mod to restore all radio stations and then everything was fine, even the character models look ingame not as bad as they can on screenshots.
Sand storm? Looks more like nuclear fall out.
The strong orange tint happens during sunsets in San Andreas but it's not as intense.
i really don't understand the negative abuse the def editions have got? Grove Street Games have worked wonders to keep the old er gta graphics yet enhance the landscapes ,i can only think that kids who are now 20smtns are reviewing the trilogy and never player the OG's when they were out, GSG have done EVERYTHING you could possibly want ,added content and details ,fine tuned ,gave interiors life,new GTA fans don't deserve to play the definitive editions just to moan they are not on par with GTA V graphics or have very very slight glitches,they have left the original games graphics engine alone and made everything look cleaner and fresher without giving the games no soul like gtaiv and v,make your own mind up about the defintives folks
Thank you for making this. Despite it's flaws, I love DE, and it's far too underappreciated. Many complaints aren't unwarranted, but people like to pick on everything it does bad, while anything it does good becomes irrelevant. Also, I'm glad you understand that mods cannot come anything close to DE in many ways, this is actually common sense, yet there are OG fans, and even speedrunners like Joshimuz with thousands of hours, seem to think that the remasters are just the same as any old mod.
Yeahhh, people just love to spout ignorance now.
Every good aspect is brought up by unreal engine itself, not GSG
very true
@@TJGM Ignorance on what exactly, dude? Why can't you get your head out from the sand and actually acknowledge all of the game's problems it continues to have, even after month of patching it?
Just because it has a fresh coat of graphical paint literally means nothing. The game is still broken.
@@Travis371 The game plays basically the EXACT same as the originals, so by your logic the original games are broken as well.
The only issues introduced are graphical issues, yet the only REAL improvements are graphical too. It's not just black and white like everyone spouts.
Everyone (including high profile content creators) were saying everything done in the Definitive Edition, has been done better on the originals with mods, which is also a complete lie. Or completely dismissing the graphical improvements DE actually brought.
I acknowledge most of the issues in this video too and point out one of the biggest issues which nobody seems to mention, which is the terrible conversion to Unreal.
I was wondering can you upload content about gta vice city android modding i mean can you guys create multiplayer mode for android ?
You're better off pirating the original pc ports
Great video, I really wanted to see an in depth comparison like this, especially from an expert such as yourself and this answered a lot of my curiosity about the overall state of things as it stands.
It's such a shame that 3 of the most important games that helped build the Rockstar company and do so much in the history video games are so badly disrespected. Same as the fans that are a key part of the companies success also being so thoroughly disrespected by their cinical, ungrateful and greedy approach.
Not even to mention their treatment of modders (people who unlike Rockstar actually love these games) and the fact they stole away the originals from everyone at the same time, so now the average person or new generation is stuck with the shameful half baked mess that is the definitive edition.
That's there, is the real kick in the guts to these iconic games and their fans and any future fans. Just horrible the level of arrogance and stupidity that goes on at the highest levels of Rockstar and Take 2.
I actually wound up buying a PS2 and the organs l games because of how bad the definitive edition was 💀
I mean I think like with any old franchise in order to make old and new fans happy they need to have an legacy app that when launched adds all previous mainline games to it, leading up to the next game right, similar to halo MCC was to the halo infinite, so they should have cleaned up gta 1 & 2 and sell it as a gta legacy remake, then add vice city, then san andreas and last gta 4 so you can have the history in a convenient package, later on when gta 6 is out for new consoles after the main sales are over re- release the legacy app with an improved gta 5 or let previous owners just update it for free, so new fans get a chance to experience the old games too cuz thats nice and also because backwards compatibility is becoming an issue and when it comes to a legacy of games its just so neat when they recognize that theres a need for people to sometimes go back and see what it all comes from and some might just want some nostalgia but with modern convenience added to it.... i mean i love my old sega sonic games but origins as a collection is a viable option because its adding stuff and its all in the same thing, i think the only reason i go back to original hardware is because of controllers and old glitches UI and so on.
So are the controls the same as GTAV or are they what they were on the PS2?
You can pick between the 2
Gta sa have very useful checkpoints in missions but why vice city doesn't have? Only starts your mission from the beginning
Yeah it’s so annoying!
if you use controller on pc performance is ok but mouse and keyboard is a problem rotate the camera fairly quick and you will get micro stuttering and it gets bad.
TLDR: Movement in all 3 games felt okay for me, not sure what definitive improved on it. (Didn't played definitive yet)
I haven't played definitive yet, and it might be because I played san andreas ever since I was a child... but!
I have almost no complain with the gta sa movement. Idk, it just doesn't feel wrong. I mean it does feel... weird, but not like bad weird, more like natural weird. My only problem is smg/pistol combat. Moving while using an smg often results in shooting in the air. Kinda annoying, but it mostly only happens when I'm panicking. And its not that hard to just get a shotgun or something.
I'm actually really interested what the problems with movement is from a fresh perspective.
And yes I also played gta 3 and vc recently and they felt good. Not like meh good, but actually pretty okay good. I mean the combat was fun. It didn't felt garbage like some people discribe it? They did had some janky moments, but they were really minor and rare. (I did miss Gta sa climbling tho)
GSG is actually capable of remastering a game (on Unreal Engine). Go watch the Digital Foundry review of Ark Evolved for the switch. They actually made massive improvements towards the graphics & performance of that game.
So yeah, R* & TakeTwo did you dirty if you purchased TDE for full price.
I honestly prefer the orange sunset, gta 5 amped it up to look way better with the sunset. Seems like they stayed loyal to the original San Andreas with 5.
You clearly went way too easy on these demasters as The Bad section should have been significantly longer. Do not buy at any price. If you're on an Xbox Series S or X, get PS2 isos and play them through the XBSX2 emulator instead.
I actually really like the new models and textures, something that was greatly panned when it launched. I think it was the best course they could've taken for the game considering a lot of this had to have been rebuilt from the ground up. They definitely needed a lot more time and resources with better skilled developers working on it then what they got, no disputing that. Otherwise though, they did an okay job and honestly if they did a Cyberpunk 2077 where they released official mod tools for this edition then a lot of the issues with the game could be resolved by the community, and we can customize the game to how it looks and plays to our liking as we can with a lot of games similar to these three games like Skyrim, Cyberpunk 2077, and etc.
What system are you playing it on?
Switch is old game put is gta all gta games make fun
I hate it because they removed the blood stains at every hit
For me my main Complaint which is why I go back and play the original is because of how many cheats was pulled out from each game which sucks I love cheats after you beat the main game and also I hate the faces for some of the characters like the original still looks better
I appreciate this video acknowledging the good in this. I believe it's fair to not totally disregard a game because there's always someone out there who loves it, and it's great to give those people that positive feeling ya know? However, when you see Vadim M's video on "Why the Definitive Edition Is Garbage Part 1" it's very hard to appreciate the good in these remasters without seeing the absolute gutting and bastardizing what was in the OGs, especially with the fact R* basically turned them into Abandonware which is very anti-preservation. While I appreciate GSG's attempt (despite their attitude to gamers at launch), this project was WAY too big for this studio.
It really has some great details and qol changes. But i'm hell mad they removed the original, people won't be able now to play SAMP for example.
I was lucky and bought the old versions in 2017 on steam.
I did played GTA 3 DE. I could not play for more than 30 minutes. It is just a bad taste, everything has a "glossy" material, it is a too advanced techs for the amount of details on 3D, is way low poly. They should have compensate on keeping the same style and not tried to modernized too much. The game was already good enough. All of them, most of them just needed a higher poly models, mayne some shadow baking.
The other thing is that there always some worst aspect on the DE that bothers so much you had to spend time looking for fixing mods.
Of course it wouldn't be as bad as we think when the community did 90% of the work post release
I'm on a 6 year old Alienware 17R4 with a 1070, and the trilogy runs at 5 fps for me. No joke. I know my laptop is pretty old, but, this isn't normal right?
This trilogy was never finish...Way better buy original trilogy for that money.
11:15 I mean, to be fair it does say they sell air guitars.
I am watching as both a gamer & a indie game dev for learning purposes
can you do a skyGFX tutorial for gta vc ?
Only if Grove Street used the original platform to work from instead of the mobile version many issues would be easily fixed or non-existent.
Bro they jus need 2 release online editions 4 each 1. Def edition is beautifulllll. Only things these games were missing was online we NEVER got 2 experience that & for people who love story mode just a couple small things are missing. I PRAY this can happen soon
I think the blame lies with all companies involved. Im sure GSG know they could of done things better, and tbh they may of done things to the best of their abilities (poor recruitment choice on rockstar's part). But then, rockstar are known universally for their attention to detail (for the most part) and their ability to bring to the table things that other companies just simply cannot. So why they released the shitshow we got I'll never know. I know they had deadlines in respect of releasing them with the Anniversary, but me personally i would of been far happier to wait a few months to get a game that didn't give me migraine every time i played it (the rain effect killed me off)
As Mafia and Bioshock, they should give them free to who owns originals.
While SA still has transparently egregious issues, my only complaints about 3 and VC were the blatantly distinct differences in detail in the faces of our protagonist compared to every other, and the rain of course. Now that the rain is at least semi fixed, I think 3 and VC are a fantastic experience. In fact, I 100%’d them both about a week or 2 out from release, and aside from the issues I’ve already listed, I had a blast. SA still has such incredible content within its game that I’ll still play it, but it’s definitely the biggest mess of the 3 still. All in all, I still probably wouldn’t give the trilogy altogether a rating higher than 5.5-6, but if you don’t have the original copies of the games and you’re a modern console player, if you can get it for less than full price I’d say it’s a decent buy
Hello friend, excellent video. Do you recommend buying the game now that it's half price? Thank you.
If you can get it cheap and you want to play it, it's not the worst experience for that price.
Thank's
"Not as bad as you think" No it IS still bad
I get how everyone hates how the remaster looks, but I fairly enjoyed all the games in this remaster, even though I played the originals i really don't get the hate
Same, definitive edition is not the worst, but not the best, the originals still have a place in our hearts
Still jad relative to the Price
He literally explains in detail why it’s not. And all you say is “yes it is”. It still has issues but it’s very playable
I just started playing the definitive edition today and I can tell you that it's not as bad as everyone says
Remember it's just a remaster not a remake, and considering Rockstar wanted to keep its old style look, they did a decent job, apart from the bugs of course
What's wrong with the San Andreas Mobile Port?
24:33 could it be that the left one is meant to be "EXTRASUNNY_SF" ?
nvm LA is for Los Angeles and Los Santos would be LS
nvm nvm LA is used for LS apparently
lmao
Added a note to the pinned comment. Thanks for the heads up!
@@TJGM neat :J
but don't worry about it if you do
have a nice day
*all i wanted to do is go to Vice City as CJ.....or go to Las Venturas as Claude.....that's literally all it would have taken for me to buy this game.*
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Damn Rockstar! Basic thing like Shooting and it’s still not fixed! Nobody noticed the characters aim in a totally different directions than they shoot? When you shoot things or crash into things- these things just disappear into the ground! Drivers just sit when you aim at them. The shadows are terrible I hate when they move just every 10-15 seconds. Also weather effects are severely degraded! It’s been year and a half and still no fix to atleast shooting?! Also the way the characters hold guns is messed up-CJ for example reloads a shotgun and his hand is not even on the gun!!!! Rockstar has failed big time- just care for money, not for fans, because if they did, they would make sure the games were tested before release!
And tommy vercetti and Claude speed can swim in gta remake and radio and weapon wheel will be there and skip ⏭ mission just like in gta 5 will also will be there too.
Glad it's still talked about, I am a PC player just enjoying the graphical aspect. 3 is fresh at best, VC never looked better imo and SA looks fancy but at times super cheap.
Gotta say dev support is bad and unclear, nothing changed since March and there's rumors that GSG was fired. Buy it or not, keep in mind that it comes with broken stuff and issues you must deal with.
Kendl and Denise models.
These games were never that well optimized to begin with, so just imagine how bad it is when you transfer them to a new system
Just got it from 17 euros I think it's worth it
Should i buy resident evil 3 remake or gta trilogy?
Trilogy
@@Mrfootballeditor you're late. I bought 2 of them already. But ty for replying
Ok that’s good then
Great review man like other people have said despite it's flaws it's not as bad as some people are making it out to be. Granted GSG and Rockstar deserve to be called out on all the bugs and issues of these titles but I don't hate it. I think these games actually look good at times but it could of been MUCH better and should of been.
So clearly, that makes it mediocre at best.
@@Travis371 It's above mediocre not great but good at least the PC version. I can't speak on the other versions.
@@ToeTag9899 There's absolutely no chance to rate this game over mediocre. It still has so many bugs, glitches, collision, physics and graphical issues. There's just no way.
@@Travis371 Depends on the games for San Andreas absolutely. But as for GTA 3 and Vice both patched it's good IMO. But if we are just judging these games with no patches yeah it's really bad.
@@ToeTag9899 the Defective will always be medicore and a joke plus not even good looking at all due to Grove street games using basic assets from Unreal engine 4.
Well, at least I can play Vice City in my recent console.
Got it for half off on steam for my steam deck I actually enjoy them given I've only played sa on mobile and never played the og cause christian parents who gamed lol maybe cause I don't have that nostalgia but I find them fun
wow this is a beast of a video
GTA The Trilogy de has use mobile port so all detail missing some sound missing just only compression from backup,but i like about definitive edition is lightning system' looks real when compare with original and yeah not have dynamic lightning
Personally i feel that the Definitive Edition is just worthplay on pc since you can put mods on it, on consoles i think its better the Xbox Trilogy
Now that theyve fixed the bugs Ive found these to be pretty good.
A bad is still bad
great review -the color fog missing in vice city was enough for me not to buy it
I want Grand Theft Auto 3,Grand Theft Auto Vice City,Grand Theft Auto San Andreas,Grand Theft Auto 4,Grand Theft Auto Episodes From Liberty City like Lost And The Damned and The Battle Of Gay Tony,Grand Theft Auto Liberty City Stories and Vice City Stories I love option 2 which Rockstar Games is definitely gonna have to make all 8 classic gta video games one by one but naming it gta 3 remake or gta vice city remake but this time having tommy vercetti and Claude speed to swim for the very first time just like Franklin and Michael and treva or done in gta 5. And of course radio and weapon wheel. And skip a section and skip mission where you get stuck at a curtain mission in the game like supply lines and the rating and bronze silver and gold now that’s the real gta remake for modern players and gta 5 style too.