I just loved the authenticity- the lettering, everything. In about 1957, ( aged 10) I saw a Junior 60 hanging up in the model aircraft section ,at the back of the famous Hamleys'toyshop. I was amazed at the 'SHEER SIZE' of the model, and have loved the understated subtlety of the design ever since !.....
Many years ago I saw a Junior 60 flown off Epsom Downs.The owner asked us to watch whilst he started up and released the model. Free flight it took off steadily,climbed and flew some beautiful circuits.The engine cut and the plane made a gentle landing."It does that every time" said the proud owner!
Congratulations!!! And yes, the Junior 60 is a fantastic plane. To me, it has no equal. I've made more than 12 over a 30 year period. I just sold each one and build another, and another and another. Albert Hatful was a genius!!!!
A real blast from the past watching this. As a kid back in the late 60’s RC gear was way too expensive for me so I flew free flight. Was always envious of the older guys who flew RC models. When I was in a position later to afford the gear I had a young family and no time. Just retired recently and your video has rekindled my interest. Your Junior 60 looks great and I like that you’ve kept everything in period. Cheers.
Just subscribed. Great channel! Some of my fondest memories of modeling are being on my parents front porch as a kid in the morning of summer vacation and doping a model airplane. I get wistful every time I smell the wife putting on nail polish.
Jr 60 That brings back a lot of memories as kids. The first plane we had. Home made valve transmitter. Sometimes it would come back...sometimes not. Happy days. Great flying.
Leo, Thanks for your interest. We don't only mess with toy planes. You might be interested in this video. It's my daughter on the German TV Rockpalast show. ua-cam.com/video/aWJxqIDHRms/v-deo.html
Brian Dixon. From one Brian to another thanks for video. Takes me back to 1960 at the Basingstoke Model Aircraft Club in an old Anderson shelter on Basingstoke Station platform where I built a Jnr 60 and fitted a McGreggor single channel radio in it and an ED Racer the same as yours which I still have and still runs, those engines are bullit proof. I hope to use it again soon. Happy flying and all the best.
Thanks very much for your kind comments. Go on, build yourself another J60. The one in the video is my fourth, and some people have built many more than that. Regards, BC
Very nice. I have a Lanzo bomber scaled down to 60" with an Ohlsson 23 sideport on ignition, and a Playboy Sr, with a Super Cyclone on ignition. I also have quite a few control line planes with Super Cyclones, Orwick 64, and Anderson Spitfires. All of my planes are either silkspan or silk, finished with dope. I have a Brit Taurus with a 68" span and 850 square inches with an Orwick 64. Great flying control line plane. It won the Vintage Stunt Champs in Arizona three years in a row. I love old ignition engines and have restored many to better than new condition. I have one diesel, a Tornado 15, but have never run it. Anyway. That Junior 60 looks like a great flying plane. I may have to build one this winter. I enjoy all your engine running videos. I do a lot of that myself. Old engines and old plane designs are to much fun.
Hi Jim, Thanks for your comments. Apologies for taking so long to reply. I’ve had a lot of work over the last couple of months. I’m familiar with your Taurus, I’ve seen photos. When I was very young (forties), we lived close to the Aeromodeller offices (at Eaton Bray airfield), and most of the Aeromodeller staff lived close to us (in Leighton Buzzard). John Coasby, who was the Aeromodeller draftsman and who designed your Taurus and several other super planes, lived close to me (less than half a mile). As you can see, I love playing with spark engines, but I’ve never actually flown one. I hope to do it one day, but it’s getting a bit late and I have so many things to do! Above all, Thanks for your interest!
Thanks Ed. Don't be surprised by the Racer. My plane was built from the first Junior 60 plan (1946), which was for free flight of course. But when the second version of the J60 was published, in 1955, the ED Racer engine was actually shown on the plan, so the Racer really is (or should be) THE standard engine for a Junior 60. Regards, BC
David, Thank you for your kind comment. Hopefully there will be similar videos in the near future, as I have several builds that are almost finished. Regards, BC
Hello Mr.Cox I hope you are well in these strange times,I just wanted to say I've recently found this content and your amazing,a true master of these arts!! Something that has been lost recently!! Thank you for sharing this with us and I wish you the best!!
James, Thank you for your kind words. I hope to be posting more as soon as it becomes possible. I'm fairly close to finishing two nice vintage planes, which should be ready by the end of the confinement. Otherwise it will be just engine running in the garden, but good fun just the same! Thanks again, BC
@@briancox3691 good luck with them and I hope that the confinement isn't too bad for you. You've inspired me...I'm going to built a little Sopwith pup with a paw engine!! My favourite plane!
Beautiful little airplane! I was a kid in the 1970's and my father and I built a Piper Cub Cruiser rubber model built in a very similar way. No Monokote or anything like that. Balsa, tissue, and DOPE...
Thanks for your kind words. I hope to post similar videos soon. I have several "similar" planes in an almost finished condition... Just needs a bit of discipline and application... not my strong points!
Yeah, it's still running rich (deliberate). Just before the launch, when I raise the nose, you can hear the rpm increase slightly. These old diesels are great engines.
@@briancox3691 yeah I run my glow mills a bit rich on the ground too. They all lean out a bit when they take flight. I usually find peak then richen until I hear an audible drop in revs. If I could get a diesel with a proper airbleed or TN carb on it, and if I could readily acquire fuel, I'd probably get and fly one. I just cannot get ether of sufficient purity in my area(Starting fluid is usually mixed with a bunch of other volatiles because people were abusing purer blends as an intoxicant), nor can I easily get a ready-mixed fuel. Kerosene and castor are no big deal to acquire but ether is.
What engine is on it? I've started making diesels before having ever flown a plane. Looking forward to putting one of my engines to work one day but I'm not sure what size engines go with which sized planes. I've just finished making 3x Bill aero 1.8cc engines
Your most welcome! I have a now also a Maraget 1,9 rear induction diesel.I got it as a gift for the Sparrey 5cc project.Sadly enough,some parts are missing. Conrod,piston,and rear intake tube with NVA. Do you have one or know some body,who can help with the sizes? I like to rebuild it as orginal as possibel. Make it run is not a real problem,but will be great to have a engine to get the sizes of those parts. Any help will be most help full Brain. Kind regards, Peter
Hi Brian, lovely J60 which flies great, lovely to see. Could I please ask a question about the J60 drawing on your knowledge of spark ignition engines? I have a Forster 29 which I would like to put in a J60 I am building, do you think that it would have sufficient power? I know the original KK engine was bigger than this. I am building from Ben Buckle plans. Really appreciate your thoughts please.
Hi Mark, Firstly, all Forsters are good engines, and the early rear-disc 29 is superb, fast and powerful. You won’t have a power problem! As you’re just starting with sparkers, it will be important to get the operation thoroughly sorted on the bench, before installing the engine in a plane. If you need any help, just shout. Like most things in life, it’s difficult when you don’t know and dead easy when you do know! The only real difference between bench operation and flying is that, in the plane, the ignition on/off switch has to be replaced by a servo-operated switch (dead easy with a micro-switch), so that you can switch off in flight. This is needed as there is a risk of destroying the coil and battery if you have a long glide with the points closed. Finally, you’re building the original 1946 J60. As you probably know, there is also an original 1955 version, still by Albert Hatfull of course, and which was also the Flair kit. I’ve built several of both and, in my opinion, there’s no doubt whatsoever that the 1955 version is far better structurally. I hope to build another J60 and it will be a 1955 plan, but using the 1946 wood sizes aft of the wing. I look forward to your spark ignition adventures. Be warned, you’re more or less bound to get harmless but uncomfortable electric shocks in your fingers at some stage. It’s happened to all of us!
Thank you Brian for such a helpful and friendly response, its really appreciated. Great to hear that they are good engines and will have sufficient power, the one I have is a rear disc, one of the slightly later ones with the ball bearing, from around 1948 I believe. Its also got twin points which was an optional extra, so you could switch from idle to full speed, be interesting to see how this works - do you have any experience with these, I have also seen them on O&R in MAN adverts? Good advice regarding the coil switch, thank you. I wasn't aware of the 1945 and 1955 difference, so I will be looking at the plans, I think the 55 are on OuterZone, thanks for the tip. Hahah electric shocks, all part of the fun! Thanks again, I really appreciate your reply.
How do you find the dihedral on the J60, do you think it is best left as original, thats how I was planning to build it, but just wondering as I know someone who had reduced it by about 50% and he quite likes how it flies? Thanks
@@MarkRobinson555 I always keep mine original. The beauty is the lovely old plane, flying the way it should. If I want to exercise flying skills, I have a Wot 4. Vintage is all about admiring lovely old planes, not precision flying techniques.
Hi Brian, I have been looking at the 1955 J60 plans, and there are some quite nice changes, particularly to the wing structure, which I will definitely be taking on board, so thanks mentioning that. Did you see my comment above regarding the twin points on the Forster and O&R? Would be really interesting to know your thoughts on that, thanks again for your help. Mark
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a better looking Junior, 60 in my entire life 😄😄 when I build mine, I think I might do the same thing with the microcamera on the hat 👍
@@oliverbowen17 Fine, so little elevator is needed that I didn't notice any difference. It's only for trimming and keeping the nose up in turns, and there is important weight saving because of eliminating the hefty piano wire joiner.
Very nice plane & flight Brian. I have an electric J60 so have well and truly committed sacrilege. But I have a few sparkies patiently waiting for their turn. As you say climb and glide with an engine at full chat works, it's just that I have never done it. But perhaps now I will. Love your field. Malcolm UK
Hi Marcin, Shamefully not yet. I shall post another video like this one (I hope!) in the near future. I'm just finishing a Vic Smeed Electra. It will fly as soon as I get time. I have to get some more engine videos done as well!!! Thanks for your interest! Best regards, Brian
@@briancox3691 thank You for reply, I wanted to ask you this every time I watched this superd video. Had Junior 60 with MVVS 2,5 diesel but its hanging on some tree near Otwock from about 5 years ;-) But Im closer and closer to build new one with some diesel of course. Will be waiting for Your new videos. Regards
Hi, There are at least 2 sources. My plane was built from the plan provided in the Ben Buckle kit. I'm pretty sure you could get a kit from here: www.benbucklevintage.com/ Otherwise, plans are available for free here: outerzone.co.uk/ but you'll have to get them printed or "tile print" at home, which is what I do. Good luck, BC
Its beautiful, and enjoyable to watch Brian, Thanks very much. How did you get that beautiful 'patina' on the wings ? is it stained dope or has it oxidized over the years. Thanks
Thanks for your kind comments. The "patina" is due to the fact that, doping the tissue in around 2010/2012, I used a couple of tins of dope from the early seventies! The British dope (HMG) was still perfect, but the French dope had turned a dark treacle colour. Anyway, I mixed them up with a lot of thinners (the dope had thickened a bit with age) and a few drops of castor oil, and the result is what you see. In the future, I shall be trying to get a similar result, but intentionally! No one seems to realise that with synthetics, everyone has exactly the same red, the same yellow, the same "antique", etc. and, for me, it's awful. This synthetic uniformity is totally non-vintage and makes model finishes boring to look at. For me, it just "doesn't look right"!
This engine is the most produced version of all the Racers, and it's also one of the best. All the original company Racers (pre 1970) were great engines. And the plane is very easy to build, but I prefer the later (1955) version.
You have a new fan Brian. I had a J60 decades ago with an 0S20 four stroker. Flew beautifully. I will build another one when I have finished black magic. Both will have ED Racers! Question...if I may Sir? On the black magic plan it has the ED racer inverted. Clearly it looks nicer all cowled in but a bit dangerous to lift up and adjust compression? I will be in view of other club members who might have something to say. So should for safety I keep it upright? J60s are the best model EVER. Peter
Hi Peter, Personally I don't have anything against inverted running, providing the engines are side-port or rear disc (Mills, Comp Special, Racer, Hunter, etc.). With normal front rotary you have the problem of fuel running out of the carburettor, so I apply that rule, but it's only my opinion. However, I always feel that if you're using a nice old engine, then you want to see it! There's not much point in using a super old engine that you want to drool over, and then hiding it inverted inside a cowling. So I always mount my favourite old engines upright for that reason, and it obviously applies to your Black Magic. My next build will be the Halfax Spartan, which I think inspired Albert Hatfull for the J60. The Spartan originally used a fully cowled inverted O&R sparker. Mine will have an early ED 3.46 proudly sitting upright in the breeze and fully visible!
@@briancox3691 Hi Brian. I totally agree with mounting a vintage engine upright! Why hide what I love and have polished up! There is a PAW that I like even more than the 60. It is the PAW 40 TBR RC. I like this more so because it has what seems to be a longer finned area than the 60. If you get what I mean? It is an engine that really I must have. What do you think about putting it in a Ben Shereshaw Cumulus at 96" wing span? I have built and flown the mini version with a tiny PAW. It flew beautifully and reluctantly came down! The bigger version should fly beautifully. Thanks for your stats on on PAW 60 engine running time and tank sizes. I would like to swap email addresses with you as I feel we have a lot in common. I am an old timer ( 71) hanging out in Australia. Diesel fuel unobtainable here so we have to make it. Balsa wood...hard to get. Quarter grain?...impossible. We have to do with what we can get. If the balsa is inferior I have to thicken it up when stripping it from the plank. I was never in the war but vintage modelling now must be very similar to those days of work with what you can get. Dope ...no probs. Heavy weight tissue...…whats that? I think you know what I mean. So whats your take on the glorious looking POW!!!! 40 TBR RC? Peter
Superb! 'Done just like wot it ought to be,' as Eric and Little Ern might almost have said. I really like your flying site, Brian; if I provided a big SAE, please could you send me a bit? Just an acre would do... My local patch [in West Yorkshire] is some 13th century common land, complete with a hill, several oaks, lots of gorse, huge clumps of sedge, about a dozen killer ponies, and with a very modern dual-carriageway running down one side!
Thanks again. I'm a bit old fashioned and I always think that a vintage model should look vintage! No transparent plastic and all that stuff! I share your reference to the great old comedians. My usual reference is Tommy Cooper. When I get something right, like engine starting or launching this J60, I always hear his voice saying "Jus' like that..."
I was just wondering, why is it that you see every type of KK plane but you don't get too see the Ladybird that much that said your junior 60 was just a delight too watch, thankYou.
Thank you. I agree with your comment about the Ladybird. It's a beautiful plane. I think it's just a bit different and a bit more complex to build than most similar size models.
Thank you for taking the time to reply too me, the reason I asked this question was that my late father had told me, when I was a child, that he was a good model builder, always balsa and you didn't want too be around when somebody commented that they had just purchased a ready built aeroplane to fly and it was PLASTIC ha ha , honest hand on heart my dad respected all forms of model making but aeroplanes were where is heart was, he purchased a KK Ladybird model and so began the hours of intense studying of width, length and that was just about where he intended too build the aeroplane, but over the coming months I watched as my father regained and found the old art of balsa model making, so once again thank you kind sir for your reply and may you find kind zephyrs .
Hi Charles, it's 2.46cc (a .15). It wasn't gliding as well as it can. It was the first flight, I was nervous and I kept full down trim on, to get it back down quickly! Otherwise, they float around very well.
@@briancox3691 Ohhh thank you for your reply .. so a classic 2.5cc then .. well, even for a first flight, the glide was awesome ... I have seen so many videos of models having their engine quit in the air and they dive like bricks. Your model stands out.. Now, is this tissue/dope finish or silk ?
My old timers fly more or less like the original free flight, just with a minimum of RC, to keep the plane close to me, and I try to use an original engine. I fly "modern RC" as well, but with modern planes.
That sure seams a lot more dangerous that the nonsense about batteries posted earlier, and unless you at an actual flying field most places frown on glow power planes. I have a SIG Kadet 78" wing, running 6s that will will take off quicker than glow and doesn't bother anyone. FYI that's one of the best looking planes ive seen, ever put it in a contest?
It might "seem dangerous" to you, but I've been flying toy planes since 1948 and I've never had a serious accident... Stay with your supersonic Kadet, and I'll just keep flying my old planes, with old engines, and we'll all be happy...
What point did I miss? I just thought some people might like to see my old plane, that's all. I'm not interested in discussing modern electric stuff, or sterile safety/danger discussions. There are other places for that. This is just my Junior 60. All my other planes have throttles, but this J60 is simply what I wanted it to be.
Very beautiful plane. Old time school. Was it the "japan paper" coated by nitro coat? Looks very nice, like old school. Did you prepare the diesel fuel by your self?
Hi, Thank you for you kind comments. The white covering is English "Modelspan" tissue and the orange and black are Japanese tissue as you suggest... The dope is nitro cellulose (40 years old!) and the fuel is English commercial diesel fuel, as shown in some of my other diesel running videos. Thank you again for your interest!!! BC
Thank you for your prompt answer. I'm trying to finish an old plans A2 glider for my son, because I promise to him, and thinking about the wings coverage and etc. Long time ago I were on some elementary school competition, and since than, I done nothing about the models.. Good luck with the further flights.
What a great plane indeed Brian, I'll have to get my Super 60 down from storage, I feel slightly embarrassed to say it here but it's electric, oh horror lol.
Thanks Cliff, I liked your little Guillows project and I'm looking forward to the continuation. Just to make you smile, I didn't realise that your A cert video was a simulator. I thought the plane looked nice, and I wondered why the engine operated like electric but sounded like IC... Anyway, I looked down the comments, in the hope of identifying the plane... In mitigation, I've never used or even seen a simulator...
@@briancox3691 They are quite realistic aren't they, great for a quick 'flight' if it's been raining for days! That particular plane I used for the demo is a Sig Seniorita, a pretty little plane.
That's nonsense. I'm an old free-flighter, and I tried to keep this plane as original as possible, but I no longer want to run across fields and climb trees, while worrying about whether I'm going to recover the plane or not! Ben Buckle got just about everything right and I have to agree with his quote: "If our reliable, ultra-light RC systems had been available 70 or 80 years ago, none of these planes would ever have been flown free flight".
OK, if you're satisfied with electric that's fine. Some people, like Eduardo and myself, want an "old timer" to be the way it really was... Not a modernized version that just vaguely looks like an old design...
I agree with Brian, you got my idea immediately. I dislike electrics because they have, in my opinion, some disadvantages which I find unacceptable: First of all, there is no noise!! One of the nicest things about glow or diesel engines is noise, even with traditional muffler. Second, electrics are dangerous, well, I mean the batteries. I've seen several models catching fire due to battery problems, third, diesel or glow keeps the model as it was originally designed. Is like restoring a 1955 Cadillac and install an MP3 or similar modern sound equipment!! Also, electrics are more cumbersome and expensive. Those batteries are heavy and expensive and one must have several for a days flying. And before you comment, although the original J60 was free flight, when we are no longer young, the small sin of installing RC must be committed in order not to chase the model all over the countryside when we can no longer move as we used to!!!
I just loved the authenticity- the lettering, everything. In about 1957, ( aged 10) I saw a Junior 60 hanging up in the model aircraft section ,at the back of the famous Hamleys'toyshop. I was amazed at the 'SHEER SIZE' of the model, and have loved the understated subtlety of the design ever since !.....
Thanks for your comment. I think we have similar tastes and opinions on toy planes!
Many years ago I saw a Junior 60 flown off Epsom Downs.The owner asked us to watch whilst he started up and released the model.
Free flight it took off steadily,climbed and flew some beautiful circuits.The engine cut and the plane made a gentle landing."It does that every time" said the proud owner!
Yes they do!
Just a boy and his model aeroplane. Forever young.
Thank you. 81 years young last week...
@@briancox3691 You keep at it, bub. Keep at it.
Congratulations!!! And yes, the Junior 60 is a fantastic plane. To me, it has no equal. I've made more than 12 over a 30 year period. I just sold each one and build another, and another and another. Albert Hatful was a genius!!!!
Thanks Eduardo. I agree entirely!
Thank you finishing your build and sharing that nicely finished Junior 6o! Well done more please...
Thanks for your kind comment. I hope there will be more very soon. I'm working on several old models that are in a "nearly finished" condition.
A real blast from the past watching this. As a kid back in the late 60’s RC gear was way too expensive for me so I flew free flight. Was always envious of the older guys who flew RC models. When I was in a position later to afford the gear I had a young family and no time. Just retired recently and your video has rekindled my interest. Your Junior 60 looks great and I like that you’ve kept everything in period. Cheers.
Masterful. Live 100 years! Thanks.
Thank you. I'm nearly there... 79 years old last week.
Just subscribed. Great channel! Some of my fondest memories of modeling are being on my parents front porch as a kid in the morning of summer vacation and doping a model airplane. I get wistful every time I smell the wife putting on nail polish.
I'm with you...I just can't get myself to apply plastic covering to balsa. I love these classic old models. Great job!
Jr 60 That brings back a lot of memories as kids. The first plane we had. Home made valve transmitter. Sometimes it would come back...sometimes not. Happy days. Great flying.
Leo, Thanks for your interest. We don't only mess with toy planes. You might be interested in this video. It's my daughter on the German TV Rockpalast show.
ua-cam.com/video/aWJxqIDHRms/v-deo.html
Brian Dixon.
From one Brian to another thanks for video. Takes me back to 1960 at the Basingstoke Model Aircraft Club in an old Anderson shelter on Basingstoke Station platform where I built a Jnr 60 and fitted a McGreggor single channel radio in it and an ED Racer the same as yours which I still have and still runs, those engines are bullit proof. I hope to use it again soon. Happy flying and all the best.
Thanks very much for your kind comments. Go on, build yourself another J60. The one in the video is my fourth, and some people have built many more than that. Regards, BC
That’s was excellent! Thanks for taking the time to make this video!!!
Very nice. I have a Lanzo bomber scaled down to 60" with an Ohlsson 23 sideport on ignition, and a Playboy Sr, with a Super Cyclone on ignition. I also have quite a few control line planes with Super Cyclones, Orwick 64, and Anderson Spitfires. All of my planes are either silkspan or silk, finished with dope.
I have a Brit Taurus with a 68" span and 850 square inches with an Orwick 64. Great flying control line plane. It won the Vintage Stunt Champs in Arizona three years in a row. I love old ignition engines and have restored many to better than new condition. I have one diesel, a Tornado 15, but have never run it.
Anyway. That Junior 60 looks like a great flying plane. I may have to build one this winter. I enjoy all your engine running videos. I do a lot of that myself. Old engines and old plane designs are to much fun.
Hi Jim, Thanks for your comments. Apologies for taking so long to reply. I’ve had a lot of work over the last couple of months.
I’m familiar with your Taurus, I’ve seen photos. When I was very young (forties), we lived close to the Aeromodeller offices (at Eaton Bray airfield), and most of the Aeromodeller staff lived close to us (in Leighton Buzzard). John Coasby, who was the Aeromodeller draftsman and who designed your Taurus and several other super planes, lived close to me (less than half a mile).
As you can see, I love playing with spark engines, but I’ve never actually flown one. I hope to do it one day, but it’s getting a bit late and I have so many things to do!
Above all, Thanks for your interest!
Excellent! Very commendable! An ED racer of all things!!! Just call me fast Eddie!! :-) Thanks for sharing from Zimmerman, Minnesota.
Thanks Ed. Don't be surprised by the Racer. My plane was built from the first Junior 60 plan (1946), which was for free flight of course. But when the second version of the J60 was published, in 1955, the ED Racer engine was actually shown on the plan, so the Racer really is (or should be) THE standard engine for a Junior 60. Regards, BC
That was beautiful.
Simply Beautiful
David, Thank you for your kind comment. Hopefully there will be similar videos in the near future, as I have several builds that are almost finished. Regards, BC
Hello Mr.Cox I hope you are well in these strange times,I just wanted to say I've recently found this content and your amazing,a true master of these arts!! Something that has been lost recently!! Thank you for sharing this with us and I wish you the best!!
James, Thank you for your kind words. I hope to be posting more as soon as it becomes possible. I'm fairly close to finishing two nice vintage planes, which should be ready by the end of the confinement.
Otherwise it will be just engine running in the garden, but good fun just the same! Thanks again, BC
@@briancox3691 good luck with them and I hope that the confinement isn't too bad for you. You've inspired me...I'm going to built a little Sopwith pup with a paw engine!! My favourite plane!
I built and flew mine in late 1959 with single channel radio very success !!
I'm getting a bit old, but I still have a couple of J60 kits. I'd better get on with it!
Beautiful little airplane! I was a kid in the 1970's and my father and I built a Piper Cub Cruiser rubber model built in a very similar way. No Monokote or anything like that. Balsa, tissue, and DOPE...
How lovely to see real model aircraft flown, beautiful model and a wonderful E.D engine
Thanks for your kind words. I hope to post similar videos soon. I have several "similar" planes in an almost finished condition... Just needs a bit of discipline and application... not my strong points!
Love the adjustble-compression engine. More on that, please?
Thanks. You mean a model diesel engine. My YT channel is full of diesel running videos, have a look.
Good show Mr. Cox.
So nice to see one of these engines doing what it was meant to do! And it seemed to run great once you gave it that slight compression tweak~
Yeah, it's still running rich (deliberate). Just before the launch, when I raise the nose, you can hear the rpm increase slightly. These old diesels are great engines.
@@briancox3691 yeah I run my glow mills a bit rich on the ground too. They all lean out a bit when they take flight. I usually find peak then richen until I hear an audible drop in revs.
If I could get a diesel with a proper airbleed or TN carb on it, and if I could readily acquire fuel, I'd probably get and fly one. I just cannot get ether of sufficient purity in my area(Starting fluid is usually mixed with a bunch of other volatiles because people were abusing purer blends as an intoxicant), nor can I easily get a ready-mixed fuel. Kerosene and castor are no big deal to acquire but ether is.
What engine is on it? I've started making diesels before having ever flown a plane. Looking forward to putting one of my engines to work one day but I'm not sure what size engines go with which sized planes. I've just finished making 3x Bill aero 1.8cc engines
Nice combo..its a great choice,a ED racer! Many safe flight Brian!
Thanks very much!
Your most welcome! I have a now also a Maraget 1,9 rear induction diesel.I got it as a gift for the Sparrey 5cc project.Sadly enough,some parts are missing. Conrod,piston,and rear intake tube with NVA. Do you have one or know some body,who can help with the sizes? I like to rebuild it as orginal as possibel.
Make it run is not a real problem,but will be great to have a engine to get the sizes of those parts.
Any help will be most help full Brain.
Kind regards,
Peter
Thanks, great flying! Lovely airplane!
Thank you.
Hi Brian, lovely J60 which flies great, lovely to see. Could I please ask a question about the J60 drawing on your knowledge of spark ignition engines? I have a Forster 29 which I would like to put in a J60 I am building, do you think that it would have sufficient power? I know the original KK engine was bigger than this. I am building from Ben Buckle plans. Really appreciate your thoughts please.
Hi Mark,
Firstly, all Forsters are good engines, and the early rear-disc 29 is superb, fast and powerful.
You won’t have a power problem!
As you’re just starting with sparkers, it will be important to get the operation thoroughly sorted on the bench, before installing the engine in a plane. If you need any help, just shout. Like most things in life, it’s difficult when you don’t know and dead easy when you do know!
The only real difference between bench operation and flying is that, in the plane, the ignition on/off switch has to be replaced by a servo-operated switch (dead easy with a micro-switch), so that you can switch off in flight. This is needed as there is a risk of destroying the coil and battery if you have a long glide with the points closed.
Finally, you’re building the original 1946 J60. As you probably know, there is also an original 1955 version, still by Albert Hatfull of course, and which was also the Flair kit. I’ve built several of both and, in my opinion, there’s no doubt whatsoever that the 1955 version is far better structurally. I hope to build another J60 and it will be a 1955 plan, but using the 1946 wood sizes aft of the wing.
I look forward to your spark ignition adventures. Be warned, you’re more or less bound to get harmless but uncomfortable electric shocks in your fingers at some stage. It’s happened to all of us!
Thank you Brian for such a helpful and friendly response, its really appreciated. Great to hear that they are good engines and will have sufficient power, the one I have is a rear disc, one of the slightly later ones with the ball bearing, from around 1948 I believe. Its also got twin points which was an optional extra, so you could switch from idle to full speed, be interesting to see how this works - do you have any experience with these, I have also seen them on O&R in MAN adverts? Good advice regarding the coil switch, thank you. I wasn't aware of the 1945 and 1955 difference, so I will be looking at the plans, I think the 55 are on OuterZone, thanks for the tip. Hahah electric shocks, all part of the fun! Thanks again, I really appreciate your reply.
How do you find the dihedral on the J60, do you think it is best left as original, thats how I was planning to build it, but just wondering as I know someone who had reduced it by about 50% and he quite likes how it flies? Thanks
@@MarkRobinson555 I always keep mine original. The beauty is the lovely old plane, flying the way it should.
If I want to exercise flying skills, I have a Wot 4.
Vintage is all about admiring lovely old planes, not precision flying techniques.
Hi Brian, I have been looking at the 1955 J60 plans, and there are some quite nice changes, particularly to the wing structure, which I will definitely be taking on board, so thanks mentioning that. Did you see my comment above regarding the twin points on the Forster and O&R? Would be really interesting to know your thoughts on that, thanks again for your help. Mark
Well done, worth the wait.
Lovely job 👏, hope your keeping well.
Thank you!
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a better looking Junior, 60 in my entire life 😄😄 when I build mine, I think I might do the same thing with the microcamera on the hat 👍
Thanks Oliver. This is my fourth J60 and I still have one more kit. I'd better get on with it!
@@briancox3691 oh cool this will be my first. how did you find having just one elevator?
@@oliverbowen17 Fine, so little elevator is needed that I didn't notice any difference. It's only for trimming and keeping the nose up in turns, and there is important weight saving because of eliminating the hefty piano wire joiner.
@@briancox3691 great thanks Brian I was a bit on the edge about doing just one elevator on mine but yours flew amazingly 😄
Very nice plane & flight Brian.
I have an electric J60 so have well and truly committed sacrilege. But I have a few sparkies patiently waiting for their turn.
As you say climb and glide with an engine at full chat works, it's just that I have never done it. But perhaps now I will.
Love your field.
Malcolm UK
Hello mr. Brian, did You build a new one model as You said? Best regards. Marcin
Hi Marcin, Shamefully not yet. I shall post another video like this one (I hope!) in the near future. I'm just finishing a Vic Smeed Electra. It will fly as soon as I get time.
I have to get some more engine videos done as well!!!
Thanks for your interest!
Best regards,
Brian
@@briancox3691 thank You for reply, I wanted to ask you this every time I watched this superd video. Had Junior 60 with MVVS 2,5 diesel but its hanging on some tree near Otwock from about 5 years ;-) But Im closer and closer to build new one with some diesel of course. Will be waiting for Your new videos. Regards
@@linusek1 Thank you.
That was nice , great to watch I'm in the market looking for 1 to build but can't find anywhere online any ideas thanks 🤙🤙
Hi, There are at least 2 sources. My plane was built from the plan provided in the Ben Buckle kit.
I'm pretty sure you could get a kit from here:
www.benbucklevintage.com/
Otherwise, plans are available for free here:
outerzone.co.uk/
but you'll have to get them printed or "tile print" at home, which is what I do.
Good luck, BC
@@briancox3691 nice one , thanks for info again great plane safe flights🤙🤙
lovely scheme! glad my x2 Popse will be leccy powered though, lol. couldn't be doing with that racket!
My stepfather was English and told me about compression engines. It was all glow here in the states...
Its beautiful, and enjoyable to watch Brian, Thanks very much. How did you get that beautiful 'patina' on the wings ? is it stained dope or has it oxidized over the years. Thanks
Thanks for your kind comments. The "patina" is due to the fact that, doping the tissue in around 2010/2012, I used a couple of tins of dope from the early seventies! The British dope (HMG) was still perfect, but the French dope had turned a dark treacle colour. Anyway, I mixed them up with a lot of thinners (the dope had thickened a bit with age) and a few drops of castor oil, and the result is what you see. In the future, I shall be trying to get a similar result, but intentionally! No one seems to realise that with synthetics, everyone has exactly the same red, the same yellow, the same "antique", etc. and, for me, it's awful. This synthetic uniformity is totally non-vintage and makes model finishes boring to look at. For me, it just "doesn't look right"!
I have the same engine, would be nice to build a Junior 60 for it
This engine is the most produced version of all the Racers, and it's also one of the best. All the original company Racers (pre 1970) were great engines. And the plane is very easy to build, but I prefer the later (1955) version.
You have a new fan Brian.
I had a J60 decades ago with an 0S20 four stroker.
Flew beautifully.
I will build another one when I have finished black magic.
Both will have ED Racers!
Question...if I may Sir?
On the black magic plan it has the ED racer inverted.
Clearly it looks nicer all cowled in but a bit dangerous to lift up and adjust compression?
I will be in view of other club members who might have something to say.
So should for safety I keep it upright?
J60s are the best model EVER.
Peter
Hi Peter, Personally I don't have anything against inverted running, providing the engines are side-port or rear disc (Mills, Comp Special, Racer, Hunter, etc.). With normal front rotary you have the problem of fuel running out of the carburettor, so I apply that rule, but it's only my opinion.
However, I always feel that if you're using a nice old engine, then you want to see it!
There's not much point in using a super old engine that you want to drool over, and then hiding it inverted inside a cowling. So I always mount my favourite old engines upright for that reason, and it obviously applies to your Black Magic.
My next build will be the Halfax Spartan, which I think inspired Albert Hatfull for the J60. The Spartan originally used a fully cowled inverted O&R sparker. Mine will have an early ED 3.46 proudly sitting upright in the breeze and fully visible!
@@briancox3691
Hi Brian.
I totally agree with mounting a vintage engine upright!
Why hide what I love and have polished up!
There is a PAW that I like even more than the 60.
It is the PAW 40 TBR RC.
I like this more so because it has what seems to be a longer finned area than the 60.
If you get what I mean?
It is an engine that really I must have.
What do you think about putting it in a Ben Shereshaw Cumulus at 96" wing span?
I have built and flown the mini version with a tiny PAW.
It flew beautifully and reluctantly came down!
The bigger version should fly beautifully.
Thanks for your stats on on PAW 60 engine running time and tank sizes.
I would like to swap email addresses with you as I feel we have a lot in common.
I am an old timer ( 71) hanging out in Australia.
Diesel fuel unobtainable here so we have to make it.
Balsa wood...hard to get.
Quarter grain?...impossible.
We have to do with what we can get.
If the balsa is inferior I have to thicken it up when stripping it from the plank.
I was never in the war but vintage modelling now must be very similar to those days of work with what you can get.
Dope ...no probs.
Heavy weight tissue...…whats that?
I think you know what I mean.
So whats your take on the glorious looking POW!!!! 40 TBR RC?
Peter
@@petercane6376 Hi Peter, I agree.
My email is
bcox0939@gmail.com
Superb! 'Done just like wot it ought to be,' as Eric and Little Ern might almost have said. I really like your flying site, Brian; if I provided a big SAE, please could you send me a bit? Just an acre would do... My local patch [in West Yorkshire] is some 13th century common land, complete with a hill, several oaks, lots of gorse, huge clumps of sedge, about a dozen killer ponies, and with a very modern dual-carriageway running down one side!
Thanks again. I'm a bit old fashioned and I always think that a vintage model should look vintage! No transparent plastic and all that stuff! I share your reference to the great old comedians. My usual reference is Tommy Cooper. When I get something right, like engine starting or launching this J60, I always hear his voice saying "Jus' like that..."
I was just wondering, why is it that you see every type of KK plane but you don't get too see the Ladybird that much that said your junior 60 was just a delight too watch, thankYou.
Thank you. I agree with your comment about the Ladybird. It's a beautiful plane. I think it's just a bit different and a bit more complex to build than most similar size models.
Thank you for taking the time to reply too me, the reason I asked this question was that my late father had told me, when I was a child, that he was a good model builder, always balsa and you didn't want too be around when somebody commented that they had just purchased a ready built aeroplane to fly and it was PLASTIC ha ha , honest hand on heart my dad respected all forms of model making but aeroplanes were where is heart was, he purchased a KK Ladybird model and so began the hours of intense studying of width, length and that was just about where he intended too build the aeroplane, but over the coming months I watched as my father regained and found the old art of balsa model making, so once again thank you kind sir for your reply and may you find kind zephyrs .
Beautiful plane and flight!
Thank you Sir.
Very nice
Thank you. I hope there will be others shortly. I'm just finishing a couple of vintage builds.
BRAVO❗️
Thank you.
excellent video!
Thank you. I hope there will be others very shortly. I'm just finishing a couple of nice planes.
What is the displacement of that ED Racer diesel engine ? Very impressed with the glide of that model. Awesome video !!!
Hi Charles, it's 2.46cc (a .15). It wasn't gliding as well as it can. It was the first flight, I was nervous and I kept full down trim on, to get it back down quickly! Otherwise, they float around very well.
@@briancox3691 Ohhh thank you for your reply .. so a classic 2.5cc then .. well, even for a first flight, the glide was awesome ... I have seen so many videos of models having their engine quit in the air and they dive like bricks. Your model stands out.. Now, is this tissue/dope finish or silk ?
@@charlesbovalis6591 Tissue and dope.
@@briancox3691 NICE !!!!!!!
awesome little vid
Thank you. There should be another one shortly. I'm just finishing another plane (and it's about time!).
Beautiful plane But no throttle control?
My old timers fly more or less like the original free flight, just with a minimum of RC, to keep the plane close to me, and I try to use an original engine.
I fly "modern RC" as well, but with modern planes.
That sure seams a lot more dangerous that the nonsense about batteries posted earlier, and unless you at an actual flying field most places frown on glow power planes. I have a SIG Kadet 78" wing, running 6s that will will take off quicker than glow and doesn't bother anyone. FYI that's one of the best looking planes ive seen, ever put it in a contest?
It might "seem dangerous" to you, but I've been flying toy planes since 1948 and I've never had a serious accident...
Stay with your supersonic Kadet, and I'll just keep flying my old planes, with old engines, and we'll all be happy...
You missed my point and seam to be offended? You don't seam to take a compliment either.
What point did I miss?
I just thought some people might like to see my old plane, that's all.
I'm not interested in discussing modern electric stuff, or sterile safety/danger discussions. There are other places for that. This is just my Junior 60.
All my other planes have throttles, but this J60 is simply what I wanted it to be.
Bonjour Brian, c'est avec plaisir que je vois les vidéos d'un rescapé du BREXIT.
Le moteur est il équipé d'une commande RC?
Claude
No, C'est un Racer de 1952 parfaitement standard.
Very beautiful plane. Old time school.
Was it the "japan paper" coated by nitro coat?
Looks very nice, like old school. Did you prepare the diesel fuel by your self?
Hi, Thank you for you kind comments.
The white covering is English "Modelspan" tissue and the orange and black are Japanese tissue as you suggest...
The dope is nitro cellulose (40 years old!) and the fuel is English commercial diesel fuel, as shown in some of my other diesel running videos.
Thank you again for your interest!!!
BC
Thank you for your prompt answer. I'm trying to finish an old plans A2 glider for my son, because I promise to him, and thinking about the wings coverage and etc. Long time ago I were on some elementary school competition, and since than, I done nothing about the models..
Good luck with the further flights.
Thank you!
There will be other videos like this... I'm just finishing another plane!
very nice!!
Thank you Sir, I hope there will be more, if ever we get a summer...
What a great plane indeed Brian, I'll have to get my Super 60 down from storage, I feel slightly embarrassed to say it here but it's electric, oh horror lol.
Thanks Cliff, I liked your little Guillows project and I'm looking forward to the continuation. Just to make you smile, I didn't realise that your A cert video was a simulator. I thought the plane looked nice, and I wondered why the engine operated like electric but sounded like IC... Anyway, I looked down the comments, in the hope of identifying the plane... In mitigation, I've never used or even seen a simulator...
@@briancox3691 They are quite realistic aren't they, great for a quick 'flight' if it's been raining for days! That particular plane I used for the demo is a Sig Seniorita, a pretty little plane.
Joli modèle !
Merci Michel !
Better as a free flight
It is and should be flown free flight.
That's nonsense.
I'm an old free-flighter, and I tried to keep this plane as original as possible, but I no longer want to run across fields and climb trees, while worrying about whether I'm going to recover the plane or not!
Ben Buckle got just about everything right and I have to agree with his quote:
"If our reliable, ultra-light RC systems had been available 70 or 80 years ago, none of these planes would ever have been flown free flight".
with diesel or glow, of course. Electrics on a Junior is a sacrilege!!!!
why? I am building an electric one.
OK, if you're satisfied with electric that's fine.
Some people, like Eduardo and myself, want an "old timer" to be the way it really was... Not a modernized version that just vaguely looks like an old design...
I agree with Brian, you got my idea immediately. I dislike electrics because they have, in my opinion, some disadvantages which I find unacceptable: First of all, there is no noise!! One of the nicest things about glow or diesel engines is noise, even with traditional muffler. Second, electrics are dangerous, well, I mean the batteries. I've seen several models catching fire due to battery problems, third, diesel or glow keeps the model as it was originally designed. Is like restoring a 1955 Cadillac and install an MP3 or similar modern sound equipment!! Also, electrics are more cumbersome and expensive. Those batteries are heavy and expensive and one must have several for a days flying. And before you comment, although the original J60 was free flight, when we are no longer young, the small sin of installing RC must be committed in order not to chase the model all over the countryside when we can no longer move as we used to!!!
Eduardo Barriga Caro dumbest thing I've read this year
Brian Cox this is modern version with rc controls lol