@@zaravacher906They were children with no choices. They should not be hounded and persecuted for entertainment. They have a right to live their lives without intrusion.
i have not watched the video, as i believe the children, now all adults; should be left alone to try heal and lead their lives. i am disappointed to even find such a video exists.
That is not correct. You stated that Fred West murdered Charmaine. Rose murdered Charmaine after minths of torture whilst fred was in prison. Fred murdered 1st with Reenie and buried her in a field
Poorly researched. Rose murdered Charmaine, not Fred. One minute you say that Barry was their first child, then you say Heather was, which is correct. Who approved this for broadcast without fact checking?
I heard a tale, Fred was working on some construction up in Haltwhistle. He was in the pub when a police car turned up, he saw them arrive and legged it over the fields… people were perplexed, now we know why
I remember the story on the news when the daughter went to the police station and reported them . I often wondered what had happened to the children. Thanks for posting this .
Please leave the kids alone. They have been through more in one week than most people experience in their lifetimes. I was born in Gloucester and this goes way deeper than most can imagine. Just ask yourself one question. How do you think one man (actually he didn’t act alone, and I’m not referring to Rose) can grab people off the streets and remain undetected for over 20 years? Why do you think he was suicided?
I absolutely agree with you that it runs a lot deeper ,although I don’t know of the hidden facts,it’s the same with the Yorkshire ripper,its been said jimmy saville was in cahoots with him,I wouldn’t be surprised if,I’ve also been suspicious of the moor murders
odd thing is, this was going on for years, many years, and no-one noticed. So how many things like this do we see every day, but do not take notice of? until something bad happens?
While people might not have known about the murders, the physical abuse was an open secret. One school reported it after seeing the injuries on Anne Marie, but social services and the justice system did nothing except cause Ann Marie to get another severe beating. The schools should have reported the absence of Charmaine and Heather, but, sadly, in those days few cared about missing kids or child abuse. The "men" that used Anne Marie must have seen the full extent of the scars and injuries, but, being paedophiles, of course did nothing. These kids were knowingly abandoned by all adults in society that chose to look the other way, including their relatives, social services, the justice system and medics.
Fred killed a little boy in Scotland in his ice cream van , that poor kid was probably his first victim. Also , as others have pointed out Fred was inside when Charmaine was murdered … Rose killed her .
It was stated that Rose murdered Charmaine whilst Fred was serving time in prison, also just wanted to mention, that the writers of the show Gavin and Stacey was based alot on the Wests, Stacey West lived in Barry Island, Nessa was into S&M as was Rose, and Nessa lived in a caravan with Dave, which is also what Fred lived in with Rena, Smithy worked in building & construction as did Fred, Gavins friend Fingers was named because of the victims missing finger bones (along with knee caps which were never found). Also used Peter Suttcliff, (friend of Gavins parents) and Harold Shipman as in Gavin Shipman, in the series. Also Dawn Suttcliffe in the series calls Nessa a 'truck driving dike' and it was also something Rose was into gay sex. Also Nessa claims in the Christmas episode when dressed as Santa Claus 'I'm not on the register, I've been checked' meaning pedophile register. There is a lot to be said of that series, but someone definitely did their research, more than this guy :)
The detective who narrated this segment was excellent. His feelings, and passion for this case as well as his protection of the remaining children of Fred and Rose West were touching. Well done.
If anyone is Interested, the Book by Mae West Called 'All my Love, Mum' is a good, but heartbreaking read ❤ The West Children are Always in my Thoughts ....Bless them
@@DaisyA-04Just finished reading Out of the Shadows by Anne Marie. She’s a year older than me and I imagine what I was doing around her age back in the 70’s. I’ve read Love as always Mum as well. Both fascinating reads. So many lives turned upside down 😢
Why does he say Fred and Rose had their first child, Barry together in 1980. Then goes on to say all of thier children were born in the 70s? Doesnt make sense.
I remember reading a book about this in the late 90s written by the two eldest surviving children. It was such a horrifying read I had to throw it out afterwards, I couldn't bear to have it in my home..😢 I remember their perspective hitting hard; they just came home from school one day to their house swarming with police, the garden being dug up and learning that their parents were actually serial killers. How in the world do you cope with that..?😢
how can so many details be wrong here? Barry was born in 1980 he was one of their youngest children, Rose killed Charmaine while Fred was in prison, their first child together was Heather, then Mae & Stephen, if you're looking back after 30 years at least get the basics right
Charmaine's now infamous school photograph, and forensic dentistry, proved beyond doubt that Fred was indeed inside when the death occurred. It was Rose.
I remember the case well, never forgotten the girls who suffered under that Evil couple, R.I.P. I (IF POSSIBLE) having parents like those scum also the boys
It boggles, doesn’t it?🙈 It’s almost beyond belief. I don’t know if I can even finish this. I look at my 5 year old granddaughter and….😭 I’m not sure about hell, but I hope there is one
None of them mixed race, children born from Rose are related. They are all from different clients accessing her services is well documented in the books. In fact, the last two children rose, commented that she didn’t even know who the fathers were only there were two black men
Why do you say that none of them were mixed race but then go on to say that at least two of the fathers were black? Obviously the children were mixed race.
Why has nobody ever checked the house Fred and Siblings all grew up in? Especially when you consider there was 2 bad ones at least with Fred and his brother- the slaughterman. There are so many patios and outbuildings.
Whatever possessed this couple is beyond me, their own parents weren't all there in the first place, being 40s n 50s parents?! WTF? Sadly its its nothing new what happened in the world back then. Been happening for centuries.All this happening since i was a kid im 58 now this year. 😢😢
@@deniseelsworth7816 trauma is real and infinitely ruinous. But we also ALL have a choice to continue passing on that pain and continuing the cycle, or seek help and finally escape it. I hope he chooses the latter. (And I pray he has learned about appropriate sexual boundaries, as he clearly wasn’t taught correctly and was being groomed into psychopathy from his birth. But now he’s an adult. Now he can choose for himself. With God’s unabounding grace, may he choose better than what he was taught.)
@@chilltartsI know about trauma and it's effects very well. It's completely unreasonable for people to think he would realise he is damaged by his past in a flash! It's a lifelong process believe me. Also a counsellor is not magician. These things run very deep and r not magicked away. I wish all the west children healing as you do. I think we should be realistic though.
This sort of thing is going on all over. They discovered these nutters, but there's loads more looneys around, who knows how many are shagging and killing all over the place.
I hope their children have been able to move on, though that is so traumatic that it will never go away. This was a horrible case and to do that to so many girls was sick. Fred unalived himself, and Rose has several partners in prison, including a kick boxer allegedly. The death penalty should be bought back for many crimes.
Those poor children will be forever haunted by their childhood and evil parenting. Hopefully, they receive some healing over their lifetime, and they don't repeat the same cycle of trauma to the next generation.
That's right, she did. Poor Charmaine also wasn't Fred's biological child, Rena conceived her when she had a relationship with a Pakistani bus driver before she met Fred.
I’ve always wanted to know how their kids turned out. Sounds like with Steven the apple didn’t fall too far from the tree. Extremely odd how he only received 9 months in prison.
Hey!, WASN'T THE KIDS FAULT!!!, that mum & dad are truly in the Worst Category?, HOPE THEY CAN MOVE ON! ( except that son!, who has NONCENCE tendencies!, chip off the old block! ).
When you’ve suffered horrific abuse like Steven is bound to leave the deepest of scars,I can’t imagine the terrible trauma they all had to go through,their souls are shattered and broken
What have the children done?? They are not the ones who exposed anyone to this. They are victims of this terrible crime. And they have to live with that every single day without your reminder of their names and where they live. This was probably the most tasteless I have seen on youtube. Embarrassing old man who holds gossip/coffee rope like an old hag for a few likes and views on the children who today are adults and have to try to move on despite everything.
👏👏👏Leave them alone, they’ve done nothing wrong.They must be very strong people to have endured the things they have seen in their childhood and things that were done to them.I hope they are well and happy.I didn’t watch the video, not sure why it came up in my recommendations.The presenter is a horrible old muckraker.
I don't know why this popped up on my feed! I watch historical documentaries. What is the horrible obsession with serial killers. People idolise them and are unhealthily interested in their lives! Leave the kids alone. Go and make money through honour, not off the pain of others.
Reap justice is afterlife starting from the questioning and punishment in the Grave 😊. All Praise and Thanks to the Creator Allaah Exalted and Most High ☝️
This video has so many things wrong. Fred didnt kill charmaine, and anne marie wasnt renas she was roses. There are other things wrong too. Wish they would fact check before broadcasting!
I can't believe 30yrs have passed, i remember it like yesterday.
My exact comments exactly!
Me too.
I was at school still and was reading all the papers fascinated that people could do this.
I can't believe they openly admitted that they'd killed Heather and used that fact to discipline the younger children😮😮
Mbs sane ma rits ih 😊
Leave the children alone, they have been through enough and didn't ask for any of it.
@@zaravacher906They were children with no choices. They should not be hounded and persecuted for entertainment. They have a right to live their lives without intrusion.
Yet you still clicked on the video and watched it all…
@@ellie6718you need to in order to post a comment.
@@itsmeagain7825blek is taking all the money exploitation of the kids.
i have not watched the video, as i believe the children, now all adults; should be left alone to try heal and lead their lives. i am disappointed to even find such a video exists.
That is not correct. You stated that Fred West murdered Charmaine. Rose murdered Charmaine after minths of torture whilst fred was in prison.
Fred murdered 1st with Reenie and buried her in a field
I was about to comment this until I read your comment . Why wouldn’t this detective know this ? 🙄
He murdered Anna McFall before he murdered Rena
No he didn't, he said they both killed her. In other words, both charged
Also, he claimed that Steven was born before Mae. Also incorrect.
Also Anne Marie was roses not Rena costellos. Wow I wish they would fact check this before broadcasting!
I am 83 and I remember this case well….What evil people they were….
What has your age got to do with it? Anyone from half your age up will remember it well.
Evil is too polite for them.
I am 5, i was too young to remember these heinous atrocitys, but mummy told me about them in order to highlight the perils of talking to strangers.
You're doing ok, aren't you? I'm 43 and I can't remember what I did this morning!
@@icturner23 When you are 83 years old , I hope you can remember your mom’s name 😂
Poorly researched. Rose murdered Charmaine, not Fred. One minute you say that Barry was their first child, then you say Heather was, which is correct. Who approved this for broadcast without fact checking?
I heard a tale, Fred was working on some construction up in Haltwhistle. He was in the pub when a police car turned up, he saw them arrive and legged it over the fields… people were perplexed, now we know why
It was and must have been so traunatic for the children. I hope they have moved forward in life.
I would imagine it would be very difficult,there’s bound to be lifelong scars,
@Eileen, 💯
100%, going forward
One of them was convicted of statutory rape of a minor (Steven) and the other committed suicide a few years ago (Barry)
I remember the story on the news when the daughter went to the police station and reported them . I often wondered what had happened to the children. Thanks for posting this .
Please leave the kids alone. They have been through more in one week than most people experience in their lifetimes.
I was born in Gloucester and this goes way deeper than most can imagine.
Just ask yourself one question. How do you think one man (actually he didn’t act alone, and I’m not referring to Rose) can grab people off the streets and remain undetected for over 20 years? Why do you think he was suicided?
I absolutely agree with you that it runs a lot deeper ,although I don’t know of the hidden facts,it’s the same with the Yorkshire ripper,its been said jimmy saville was in cahoots with him,I wouldn’t be surprised if,I’ve also been suspicious of the moor murders
Absolutely agree with you
he kiled himself, he was not suicided.
@@glen7318 how,were you actually there at the time otherwise you can’t possibly be sure
Same as Jimmy Savile, protected by high ranking peados
Rose killed Charmaine not fried she killed her when he was in prison
Yep...
Glad she wasn't fried
Hmm, you are correct. I do remember hearing this. Fred didn't skip a be at either. He just loved Rose more…ugh
@@Alessiasbackheal 😊
Their poor children. Their parents are just so infamous
odd thing is, this was going on for years, many years, and no-one noticed. So how many things like this do we see every day, but do not take notice of? until something bad happens?
It happens way too often.
It's also pretty rare. But even one incident is too much.
While people might not have known about the murders, the physical abuse was an open secret. One school reported it after seeing the injuries on Anne Marie, but social services and the justice system did nothing except cause Ann Marie to get another severe beating. The schools should have reported the absence of Charmaine and Heather, but, sadly, in those days few cared about missing kids or child abuse. The "men" that used Anne Marie must have seen the full extent of the scars and injuries, but, being paedophiles, of course did nothing. These kids were knowingly abandoned by all adults in society that chose to look the other way, including their relatives, social services, the justice system and medics.
It's called two tier policing apparently.
Fred killed a little boy in Scotland in his ice cream van , that poor kid was probably his first victim. Also , as others have pointed out Fred was inside when Charmaine was murdered … Rose killed her .
So true
It was stated that Rose murdered Charmaine whilst Fred was serving time in prison, also just wanted to mention, that the writers of the show Gavin and Stacey was based alot on the Wests, Stacey West lived in Barry Island, Nessa was into S&M as was Rose, and Nessa lived in a caravan with Dave, which is also what Fred lived in with Rena, Smithy worked in building & construction as did Fred, Gavins friend Fingers was named because of the victims missing finger bones (along with knee caps which were never found). Also used Peter Suttcliff, (friend of Gavins parents) and Harold Shipman as in Gavin Shipman, in the series. Also Dawn Suttcliffe in the series calls Nessa a 'truck driving dike' and it was also something Rose was into gay sex. Also Nessa claims in the Christmas episode when dressed as Santa Claus 'I'm not on the register, I've been checked' meaning pedophile register. There is a lot to be said of that series, but someone definitely did their research, more than this guy :)
The detective who narrated this segment was excellent. His feelings, and passion for this case as well as his protection of the remaining children of Fred and Rose West were touching. Well done.
Steven should have gotten a longer sentence then 9 months for sexual assult with a child.
If anyone is Interested, the Book by Mae West Called 'All my Love, Mum' is a good, but heartbreaking read ❤ The West Children are Always in my Thoughts ....Bless them
It's called love as always mum
Did you also read the other book by another daughter?
@@DaisyA-04the one by Anne Marie was better.
@@willowmonkeyballs - Ok, thanks!
@@DaisyA-04Just finished reading Out of the Shadows by Anne Marie. She’s a year older than me and I imagine what I was doing around her age back in the 70’s.
I’ve read Love as always Mum as well. Both fascinating reads. So many lives turned upside down 😢
Fred did save the public from the huge cost of keeping him in jail.
Why does he say Fred and Rose had their first child, Barry together in 1980. Then goes on to say all of thier children were born in the 70s? Doesnt make sense.
Coz its a Talk TV production and they just like to make stuff up as they go along
I remember reading a book about this in the late 90s written by the two eldest surviving children. It was such a horrifying read I had to throw it out afterwards, I couldn't bear to have it in my home..😢 I remember their perspective hitting hard; they just came home from school one day to their house swarming with police, the garden being dug up and learning that their parents were actually serial killers. How in the world do you cope with that..?😢
Rose killed Charmaine, not Fred, he was in prison - that's how they proved she was part of it.
how can so many details be wrong here? Barry was born in 1980 he was one of their youngest children, Rose killed Charmaine while Fred was in prison, their first child together was Heather, then Mae & Stephen, if you're looking back after 30 years at least get the basics right
Sick monsters
“Sex with a child can never, ever, EVER be consensual.” LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK GRANDPA. HELL YEAH. 👍🏻
Tell that to the bbc
HEAR, HEAR!!!
Charmaine's now infamous school photograph, and forensic dentistry, proved beyond doubt that Fred was indeed inside when the death occurred. It was Rose.
I remember the case well, never forgotten the girls who suffered under that Evil couple, R.I.P. I (IF POSSIBLE) having parents like those scum also the boys
Why is Barry covered out of order?
I hope the children have managed to live their own lives, and now know happiness and peace.
💯
It boggles, doesn’t it?🙈 It’s almost beyond belief. I don’t know if I can even finish this. I look at my 5 year old granddaughter and….😭 I’m not sure about hell, but I hope there is one
None of them mixed race, children born from Rose are related. They are all from different clients accessing her services is well documented in the books. In fact, the last two children rose, commented that she didn’t even know who the fathers were only there were two black men
Eh they share Rose as a mother. So they are closely related.
Why do you say that none of them were mixed race but then go on to say that at least two of the fathers were black? Obviously the children were mixed race.
@ruthgiles8926 lol his/her comment is confusing, haha.
3 or 4 are mixed race
Is Fred mixed, himself?
Too bad that multiple killer lives on on taxpayer money
Leave the children alone
Why has nobody ever checked the house Fred and Siblings all grew up in? Especially when you consider there was 2 bad ones at least with Fred and his brother- the slaughterman.
There are so many patios and outbuildings.
Charmaine was killed whilst Fred was incarcerated. It would have been Rose that killed her.
Whatever possessed this couple is beyond me, their own parents weren't all there in the first place, being 40s n 50s parents?! WTF? Sadly its its nothing new what happened in the world back then. Been happening for centuries.All this happening since i was a kid im 58 now this year. 😢😢
Those poor children. Inhumane. Pedophiles, they're sick, they destroy children's lives and don't care what they do to others.
May they rest in peace.
Steven West got his fathers cold dead eyes.
You might have if you had gone through what he did.
@@deniseelsworth7816 trauma is real and infinitely ruinous. But we also ALL have a choice to continue passing on that pain and continuing the cycle, or seek help and finally escape it. I hope he chooses the latter. (And I pray he has learned about appropriate sexual boundaries, as he clearly wasn’t taught correctly and was being groomed into psychopathy from his birth. But now he’s an adult. Now he can choose for himself. With God’s unabounding grace, may he choose better than what he was taught.)
@@chilltartsI know about trauma and it's effects very well. It's completely unreasonable for people to think he would realise he is damaged by his past in a flash! It's a lifelong process believe me. Also a counsellor is not magician. These things run very deep and r not magicked away. I wish all the west children healing as you do. I think we should be realistic though.
I've seen interviews with Anne Marie and she strikes me as the personification of the word strength.
This sort of thing is going on all over. They discovered these nutters, but there's loads more looneys around, who knows how many are shagging and killing all over the place.
So so sad, these poor kids had monters for parents. 😡
Fred didn’t murder Charmaine? It’s well known that Rose did. Fred was in prison at the time. Mae was also older than Steven, not the other way around.
I hope their children have been able to move on, though that is so traumatic that it will never go away. This was a horrible case and to do that to so many girls was sick. Fred unalived himself, and Rose has several partners in prison, including a kick boxer allegedly. The death penalty should be bought back for many crimes.
You do realize that the death penalty is not a deterrent.
@@kellydalstok8900Who says anyone cares about it being a deterrent? It's justice ppl want it brought back for.
Thank you@@littleboots9800
I never knew that about Barry Island, I was there a lot at that time, and not very safety savvy!
those poor children, God bless all of them x
Your god didn’t help them whilst they were suffering, did it?
Fred didn't kill Charmaine, Rose did!
Disgusting Peter... Leave those who are left behind alone.. Stop using the kids for your own narrative..
Damn and they were mostly all girls.
how can anyone grow up not to be a psychopath under these circumstances? Incredibly the girls who didn't get killed, have seemed to recover
Hazel savage brought them down
Those poor children will be forever haunted by their childhood and evil parenting. Hopefully, they receive some healing over their lifetime, and they don't repeat the same cycle of trauma to the next generation.
A family friends mum was the babysitter. Until she passed away, she told stories of how vile they were 😢
Why didn't she tell the police?
Dragging this up after so many years why? Slow news day?
30th anniversary this Feb
Because it should always be remembered…….Do not hide or not talk about evil people that unfortunately we still have in this world….
Any rumours that Fred did some stuff in Weston super
Mare??
Wait I thought rose killed Charmaine?
That's right, she did. Poor Charmaine also wasn't Fred's biological child, Rena conceived her when she had a relationship with a Pakistani bus driver before she met Fred.
I always say if you don't like what you see and here don't watch try watching Bill and Ben
😂😂😂😂 Bill and Ben the flower pot men,Gordon Bennett I'm showing my age 🤣🤣🤣
Strange comment ! Most people on here are only saying that most of the content is incorrect.
@@nicolasmalley306 how do you know are you a shamen
Omg i never knew that barry Island is my local seaside
I think Britain actually has two couples who would qualify as most ever. Myra Hindley and Ian Brady being the other two.
Those poor kids .
Rose knits baby bonnets for newborns at the local hospital I read in a book. 😢
I just watched another program that proved that it was Rose who killed Charmaine as Fred was in prison at the time.
I’ve always wanted to know how their kids turned out. Sounds like with Steven the apple didn’t fall too far from the tree. Extremely odd how he only received 9 months in prison.
Hey!, WASN'T THE KIDS FAULT!!!, that mum & dad are truly in the Worst Category?, HOPE THEY CAN MOVE ON! ( except that son!, who has NONCENCE tendencies!, chip off the old block! ).
When you’ve suffered horrific abuse like Steven is bound to leave the deepest of scars,I can’t imagine the terrible trauma they all had to go through,their souls are shattered and broken
@@annedoyle222no excuse's thst poor child he raped, a child can not consent to sex.
The forgotten casualties. 💔
Anne marie west is so dignified.
I saw the home and immediately recall this from a long time ago ….a long time ago.
What have the children done?? They are not the ones who exposed anyone to this. They are victims of this terrible crime. And they have to live with that every single day without your reminder of their names and where they live. This was probably the most tasteless I have seen on youtube. Embarrassing old man who holds gossip/coffee rope like an old hag for a few likes and views on the children who today are adults and have to try to move on despite everything.
👏👏👏Leave them alone, they’ve done nothing wrong.They must be very strong people to have endured the things they have seen in their childhood and things that were done to them.I hope they are well and happy.I didn’t watch the video, not sure why it came up in my recommendations.The presenter is a horrible old muckraker.
It doesn't matter what happened to them......just leave them alone
I don't know why this popped up on my feed! I watch historical documentaries. What is the horrible obsession with serial killers. People idolise them and are unhealthily interested in their lives! Leave the kids alone. Go and make money through honour, not off the pain of others.
No one idolises them.
His unflinching stare makes me nervous.
I know, no need for that, the subject matter is scary enough.
Ex metropolitan cop.
Rose who's the one who took charmine's life while Frid was in jail ..😔
Not appropriate, the children have quite enough pain and horror to bear.
Unfortunately karma will rear its ugly head
Karma is a beautiful thing. It is not ugly.
Why is that unfortunate?
I hope ann marie and her kids are thriving ... and any other surviving kids of this pair of monsters
Reap justice is afterlife starting from the questioning and punishment in the Grave 😊. All Praise and Thanks to the Creator Allaah Exalted and Most High ☝️
Well said Sir 👍👍
I have never heard of Barry before the boy i mean not the place
RIP Barry and Heather... :(
Horrible
What in the actual F?!?!? Despicable. Thank goodness for that friend who spoke up. Inherent evil "imo" all a lost cause, bad blood the lot of em.
The children were failed miserably by the authorities
And Hindley
And Ian Brady.
Myra was Ian's Rose.
Where is Heather?
She was killed 😔
Rose killed charmaine whilst Fred was in prison !!!!
Fred was a coward
I wouldn't say most evil ever. I'd say joint evil alongside Hindley and Brady.
Interesting. I didn’t even remember them having children. So long ago.
Were you on the Moon at the time?!
The murder of their children was the reason they were sent to prison
They killed two of them.
Audacity...u lot were partly blame for there reign of terror.They new Rose very very well.! and Fred new it.
🤮🤮🤮
Thank you for the informations
Very sick.inderviduels me Petwe bless these kiids.i
Why not the Death penalty?
Fred’s brother is a dead ringer for Fred. I’m not convinced they aren’t one and the same.
I'd say one of the most evil couples.
Let's not forget who was behind the Moors murders.
Interesting video. I feel for their children and the victims. It's a pity it was presented by a person who appears as a right wing pundit.
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I think he died on D wing
Yeve have
Kissed by a Rose 🌹 Fred licked her Toes 🤦♂️
😂😂😂😂
This video has so many things wrong. Fred didnt kill charmaine, and anne marie wasnt renas she was roses. There are other things wrong too. Wish they would fact check before broadcasting!
you're wrong too, Ann-Marie's parents are Fred & Rena