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[EDIT: Start 'em again and fire me, you noticed and said later on in the video. I still wonder if it was actually sent by the NCR and not Enclave remnants though.] Stop the presses Jack, I reckon I got a scoop for ya. Go to 31:11 or thereabouts, Ulysses says of the detonator package: "Had symbols of America on it. New markings. From after the Great War." "New Markings" "From AFTER the Great War" The Enclave blew up Courier Six's settlement, Ox. This makes my inner Minuteman very mad. Did they mean to or was it just taken after the events of Fallout 2 by the NCR?
Hey Oxhorn! I just wanted to let you know that I'm a big fan of your Fallout lore videos. I especially enjoyed your introductions with the dlc. I respect you
The day the Courier brought death and destruction over you was the most important day in your life. For me it was delivery 2642, in three days or it´s free.
@@memes_the_dna_of_the_soul5487 It's not even that, the Courier doesn't have any memory loss. It's just one of many, many places the Courier has traveled to over the years, it was never their home like Ulysses mentions. By the time the disaster happened the Courier was miles away on another job and never figured out what happened.
Ulysses doesn't understand the meaning of courier: a delivery person who delivers goods or packages from one place to another; basically a middle man, they get paid to deliver the poor guy was just trying to make some money man give em a break lol. Blaming the courier for delivering a package and saying its all his fault for it is like blaming your mailman for bringing you bills.
Yes Ulysses is also a huge hypocrite. He says that the NCR fail to see the damage they cause, but he literally left Elija to die at Seira Madre and almost have him release the red mist, trained that tribe in Honest Hearts, and almost let the fucking THINK TANK onto the Mojave. Just cause he had beef with Courier 6. The guy almost killed the Mojave 3 times over and doesn't even think twice about it.
I've always found Ulysses hatred for the Courier ridiculous for this reason. When I first got to that part I found it to be a very silly motivation. Courier Six wouldn't have known what was in the package. But Ulysses is delusional and has created this entire narrative to blame someone. He's not stable so that was probably the point.
34:09 The package that Courier 6 delivered was a secret ICBM detonator from Camp Navarro after the NCR-Enclave war, when the courier arrived at the divide with the detonator it triggered itself, detonating almost every remaining ICBM that lay in the silos which caused the cataclysm that is now "The Divide"
Julian Cumbia It makes a point to tell of it speaking, once plugged in. I assumed it was an artificial intelligence, maybe similar to Eden from Fallout 3. Intending to retaliate against the NCR, unable to guess the warheads were stuck underground, it attempts to launch them. In the chaos, it's buried, detached from any terminal or network.
christopher kein It took time to realize the full extent of the networks resources? Maybe disoriented upon reawakening? Or didn't know the outcome of Navaro, and after some time speaking to the inhabitants of the divide, came to the conclusion that the ncr was victorious?
I think with the dead marked men we can assume that Ulysses killed them and then left their bodies in the room, locking on the way out so that other marked men couldn't find it and track him.
valor0dragoon ~ that's a possible answer too. But, if you want to stick to in game explanations of why things are the way they are, Ulysses killing them makes as much sense as any. After all, he did set the road for the Courier to walk.
Yeah, that's more likely the case but you can find ways to justify anything within the lore, so I choose to believe that Ulysses decided to do it so as to not be tracked and hunted, or it's an attempt to try to scare off courier six - a display of his strength. (He does try to get courier six to leave with his graffiti throughout the divide, afterall).
Septlaxer Gaming ~ or he's trying to goad the Courier into rash action. I doubt you can scare the Courier at this point. Like Joker said in the first Batman movie, "I've been dead once already. Its very liberating. You should think of it as...um...hehe...therapy."
The Courier is definitely the most interesting player character compared to the Vault Dweller or the Lone Wanderer. Unlike pretty much all other player characters which lived in isolated communities, knowing nothing of the wasteland, the Courier was an active participant of wasteland events even before the start of the game. Things have already happened in this world because of you, people already know of you and your past deeds. So I hope in what ever future Fallout game we get we don't just play another Vault survivor. Lets play someone who was born, raised, and lived the Wasteland life.
@Chip how can you forget the Archimedes 1 weapons systems which is a giant laser and pulse gun that would literally kill someone in power armor in 2 hits
Man, Ulysses really likes to talk doesn't he? Like a teenager on the phone. Bet he's talking from his bedroll too. On his stomach, legs bent, kicking his feet and twirling his dreads in his fingers 😆
I'm reminded of what Dr. Mobius said during the events of _Old World Blues_ when you ask about Ulysses. "The other... the other asked a different question, and with it, got the true answer. About what makes nations... and what breaks them. He spoke to the Think Tank, to Klein. Showed them the flag of the Old World... and it made them remember. All of it. All that had happened. They shared things with him that they shouldn't. He now carries those ideas, that knowledge elsewhere..." Ulysses wanted to know what made The Divide into the nation it was, and after it was gone he wanted to know how to bring that devastation upon the NCR and the Legion in retaliation. It's all about how much he wants to destroy these entire nations by himself, when his chosen nation was also destroyed by just one man.
My interpretation is a bit different: while Ulysses during Lonesome Road was indeed trying to destroy NCR, it's not his major goal during the events in the other DLC's. Ulysses is a tragic character, and as every tragic character he has a flaw that works both as a hindrance as well as a advantage; that flaw is his obsession with deeper meaning. Ulysses, much like a conspiracy nut or your ninth-grade English teacher, believes that there is meaning in everything. This is why he wears an old-world flag on his back; not because of the symbol, but because of everything it resembles, both of the dead nation and himself. When the Divide was destroyed, Ulysses was saved by the eyebots, who recognized his flag, and saved him accordingly. Ulysses belief in deeper meaning made him abandon the White Legs. After helping them, the White Legs thanked him by copying his hair style. Ulysses's original tribe had meaning in their dreadlocks, and seeing the mockery and lack of meaning in this tribute drove Ulysses insane, making him abandon them. This left them still with the belief that they would become of the Legion if they killed, but without any restraint. He sent Elijah to the Sierra Madre, knowing it would lead to his death, because he believed it would be ironic punishment, that it would be a fitting end to Elijah's greed and insanity. He did not reflect on how he would go on to abduct people and murder them in his power hungry quest. Finally, the Think Tank. He was disgusted at how they had forgotten who they are, the meanings behind what they do. Ulysses's question reminded them who they are, and it led to them almost breaking free. Ulysses does want the NCR destroyed. But more importantly, he wants meaning, and wants that which has no meaning to be destroyed.He even says it himself: "My history isn't revenge or hate. The road that brought us here - it's about that."
@@cheesewizard3965 So, Ulysses is a person trying to find meaning in everything? Jesus, no wonder he is trying to find purpose, because not everything HAS PURPOSE...somethings are just random and horribly pointless. I firmly believe sparing him at the end of the story is the best option, but, I do not believe his ideas are correct in the slightest.
@@kyokyodisaster4842 I think another part of this also comes from his origin as a tribal, and then becoming a member of the Legion. Everything that had made his people what they were was stripped away when they became just another tally of the 86 tribes, but it's clear in Ulysses's case, this didn't translate to removing every mark- in this case, their dreads, which were probably dismissed as nothing special by the Legion. This one symbol gave Ulysses his own sense of identity inside this homogenized slaver nation, and no doubt between that and how the White Legs mimicked it, started to make him wonder about the point of the symbols in the grander scheme of things. It's part of the reason why one of the rockets is aimed at the Legion too- he may have more animosity for the NCR, but he wants his old masters to bleed dry too. Ulysses seems to be a man that wants things to matter out there, but unfortunately this is a world where everyone's doing their metaphorical nine to five to survive, whether that's keeping geckos off your well or piloting a massive post-apocalypse nation state, the only symbols that matter to most of those people are the ones they create themselves.
I like to think that Ulysses just plain has the wrong guy. It kind of fits with his sloppy judgement of Courier Six's true allegiances. It kinda fits with the whole flavor of fallout's universe. Dude has murderous vengeance in his heart, is one of the legion's most capable agents, and turns that rage against the wrong guy....just some poor mailman with monstrously bad luck.
rom65536 the courier has a habit of bringing potentially world ending pieces of technology with him the Platinum Chip and the Detonator and it’s a way to make you sympathize with the marked men and to give Ulysses a reason to be mad
I dont think he has the wrong guy, he is just way too vengeful. It seems like Ulysses could never really find a faction/ideology he truly identifies (seen as how he thinks NCR, Legion and BOS are all alike and will never last, House he doesn’t like either) with and has hope for, until he finds the divide. When the courier indirectly destroys it he his heartbroken. He blames the courier for taking his last chance at finding a home and a purpose in his life.
Just awful disjointed writing. Ulysses story of the courier actually lines up perfectly with the courier having amnesia from the gunshot to the head. Why do you think the courier forgot about the divide despite traveling there dozens of times?? So either FNV fanboys have to accept that the courier had a pre determined life before benny.....or just ignore it for the stupid writing that it is.
@@manz7860the writing when you are talking to Ulysses takes into account that the courier has lost their memory, but sometimes as players we forget. And Ulysses himself is too angry and driven by this revenge to fully understand that if the courier has lost their memory then they norther and saying "you know" isn't really helpful😂 but it is in character with him being kinda coocoo at this point
Ulysses reminds me so much of a child that hasn't gotten what he wants. Blaming the courier for delivering something that ended up destroying the divide. It's the people's fault who wanted the technology in the first place not for someone just doing their job. He is too broken to see the bigger picture and blames the only person he can think off. The Courier.
I think the courier reminds him too much of himself. He himself brought the death of his tribe, just like the courier brought it to the Divide... Ulysses hates himself for it, and since you are just as Him, a courier who affiliates himself with a much more powerfull nations that is united by a symbol.
FairyGames Yesss that's what I thought too! What comes to mind is the episode of South Park where a guy screws over Cartman and he tries to get back at him and keeps failing and finally at the end comes up with this huge elaborate plan to get back at him and makes him eat his parents. In Cartman's case the guy screwed him over so he at least has an excuse. In this case the Courier didn't do anything to Ulysses.
but that's the thing:in ulysses eyes,the courier did do something to him,we gave him hope. and then it blew up the second he was ready to embrace it,when there was no going back,but he hadn't been as forward yet. i'm not saying he's *right* i'm just trying to explain the motives/thoughts/thought process behind it all.
@@cobraglatiator Well i had mod thst let yiu learn about the couriers post pre getting shot in the head. You used to be a monster a destroyer of life's you killed for fun you destroyed you helped destroy the divide. A guy unknown told you to nuke the divide and get your sister back. Via the remote. After that you became a self destructive uncaring nearing emotionloss monster who killed for fun sold people untill the bullet reborn you. It's a mod don't remember the name of the mod but you can find on the Xbox 360 mod site in serious it's only on 360.
Personally, I like the decision Obsidian made with Lonesome Road. Unfortunately, I know there are people who dislike this DLC because they make up their own backstory when they play, and this story contradicts theirs.
Orrrr its because of sodding Ulysees, the self-righteous prick, masquerading as a wise-man, while he's just a mercenary 'suffering' a bout of self-reflection that made him question his disastrous, malicious choices in life. Well, tough! Live with it! A good-for-nothing mindless killer that likes to blame others for his actions because he doesn't have the guts to admit his own cruelty! And boy, does he blab! The platitudes! Just get to the point! Ugh. He annoys the shit outta me.
To me the gunshot we take to the head in the beginning of New Vegas is pretty much a reset button. Who the Courier was before Benny's attempted murder doesn't matter, it's who the Courier becomes after. In a metaphorical (if that is the correct word) sense, Benny actually succeeded in killing the Courier. But the Courier was reborn as someone new, a person shaped not by their past, but by their experiences in the Mojave.
Some people think that by giving the courier a past it destroyed the character creation. However, I think the way they went about creating your past is very well done and does a good job of showing youre your own person, not what Ulysses labels you throughout your journey, and they give you options to tell this to him. People would speak of the divide in the base game, no link to the courier then, no possibility of you knowing anything about your involvement. If you think about it, you and courier six before the events of New Vegas are drastically different people. If anything by discovering your past, your learning of someone else's history, not your own.
It's why I argue that the voiced character in 4 wasn't necessarily a bad idea. The events of Vault 111 would be a trauma to anyone, as much as a trauma as, say, getting shot in the head and surviving. I mean, it's a better option than Fallout 3's cradle to grave story, where you get forced to literally sit through your entire adolescence.
Gratuitous Lurking I agree on how they created more of a clean slate than fallout 3. I think people were upset by the fact that the male/female sole survivor already had a predetermined past aka, soldier or lawyer. Ontop of how people couldn't put their own perceived voice and personality onto the character, which I can understand, personally, however, this isn't a deal breaker. I feel they did a good job creating a more compelling story than fallout 3, one that wouldn't have been as much without that voiced protagonist. They both have their pros and cons, as does any game design desicion.
I think the best way to look at the CaC is this: Fallout 3 is who will you become, New Vegas is who are you, and Fallout 4 is what are you willing to do.
Zack Dzingle while this is an interesting perspective, it falls apart if you enjoy giving your characters any kind of backstory. Your told No, this is what happened. In game that gives you so many role playing choices and ways to fill in the gaps and make your own character, this is insanely disappointing.
Ento: The Chesnaut Knight Not necessarily. I don't know about you, but pretty much all of the builds I make have the courier spending most of their life around the Mojave, and having been a career courier, given that one does not simply get offered a job from mr house on your first day. House even says he chose you to carry the chip. All LR does is say "yep this guy has been to this and that place in the 20-60 something years they've been alive". Not all that lore breaking
This is my issue with Ulysses. He blames the Courier for things he didn't know, for places he did not destroy and for history he himself voyeured into. He says they walked the same roads and he knew about the Courier yet all he had were assumptions of who he/she is and how the consequences of actions he was ignorant of. All Ulysses had were assumptions - nothing real, nothing true.
That's what makes him such a believable character to me. Because that's how people really work a lot of the time in reality. They pick enemies and sides based on assumptions and stories, or complete flukes that also had fault with others apart from their monolithic enemy. Ulysses saw what he felt was one person build something he could believe in, finally truly side with. And then obliterate it all right before his eyes. Emotions gripped him, and as he stood without answers he made up his own explanations for the gaps in why everything happened. Not letting go the Courier not knowing what the package was with the idea that ignorance is a choice, even if you're literally unable to find out what it was. He stewed on it for years, growing more angry and embittered. And then he realized: if one person can obliterate everything a people stands for in a single stroke, why can't he use the same powerful strokes to make certain nations like the Legion become a worthy force and don't buckle to the greed the NCR fell to?
In a way, it's kind of a fault for every one of the main factions in the game (except for NCR and Brotherhood? I admit, not gotten to actually endgame enough in the past to see if this applies to those two as well.). Benny underestimates your drive to get answers/revenge for the shot in the head. House, Ceaser, Elijah, the talking heads of the Big MT... all of them underestimate you one way or another, tossing you aside as 'just a mailman' or another of the labotimites despite your strange circumstances. Seeing and hearing Ulysses proper here, I'm starting to notice a pattern.
That's a really good point. Ulysses assumed that Hopesville/the Divide was a place the Courier had chosen to be their home just through watching her from afar, walking the roads she did and stalking her. He never actually spoke to her or got to know her. He just assumed her motives. For all he knows (and its up to the player to decide I suppose), the Courier had some well paying repeat-business clients in the Divide for whom she regularly delivered packages for which would explain why she repeatedly returned there. This is even plausible if we're to believe the food and resources she carried to the Divide were enough to sustain the settlement. Regular reliable pay/employment. *Chuckles.* Using Ulysses' logic, we might as well say Goodsprings is my Courier's new 'home' because she keeps returning there, despite the fact she/I return there pretty often to make use of the merchant and doctor there.
I think Ulysses observed the Courier carefully from afar, whether as a Frumentarii or as a curiosity. I think Ulysses' past with the Legion, especially his time with the White Legs, made him realize that there was a way out, that there was a third option for his life where even if he couldn't return to the life he had before the Legion, he could build one for himself that he chose, rather than was predicated by outside forces. I think he wanted the town the Courier helped to build up could've been that for him, a neutral party that he could be a part of. I think some part of him realizes we didn't know what we did that made the Divide what it is now... but the dream Ulysses had for this would-be home made him blame you anyway. "If not for you, then I could've lived here", didn't matter that we didn't know about the package, didn't matter that our near death wiped that part of our past away, in his mind if he had been in your place HE would've known; thus, OUR failing that town is a personal slight against HIM. It's clear Ulysses has totally given up on life, he hates the NCR more than he hates the Legion (which he at least has a passing respect for), and now there's no neutral players in the game. War between both factions is inevitable, and no matter who wins, Ulysses loses. I think he thinks this confrontation he's been building us towards is his way of exorcising his own ghosts, and holding us accountable for what he thinks we did. It's the one real conflict left inside him, a fight between equals held at a time and place of his choosing, and that conflict will resolve who was right, so that he can die with peace.
I like your counterpoint and it's true. People make assumptions of things that they clearly don't know and that makes him an enjoyably complex villain. Even then, his issues could've been resolved if he at least talked to the Courier or confronted him/her at least once. I know it doesn't make for good story but if he at least talked like how he did to the Courier once everything was on fire, he could've seen what intentions the Courier really had and from there seen how much of The Divide is accidental. But it seems to me that he is still grieving and unforgiving after all these years. Lots of wasted good potential for him.
I've also seen him at the Crow's nest. I like the thought of him having to deal with me staring back at him with Annabelle locked and loaded. She has just enough zoom.
"The Industrial Hand is a Holdout weapon!" ...Right. Cuz no security guard is going to look at you funny for wearing a buzzsaw on your arm. GENIUS! Sorry, I just had to CD
Mikhael Gonato I hate that as just an English speaker. It sucks how he can't be more direct. Like you:hey what's this? Ulysses: it's the fire if a burning heart, and the blue in the old world skies, the eye of a Robin, and the sound of a wailing coyote. You: wtf?
Don't worry, as a native English speaker nothing grinds my gears in a story more than the 'hateful cryptic villain' type. Seriously, this guy came out of nowhere and drones on and on about all the horribly horrible and super bad things the player supposedly did but had NO IDEA they ever committed. Makes me want to replay the game so I can jam a mini-nuke in his mouth.
Ulysses was supposed to *be* the Courier. He turned the job down when he saw your name next on the list. Pissed Nash Johnson off something awful - Johnson wanted to see Ulysses caught up in a Divide storm for backing out of the contract.
Omg your intros are always so good. I hope you or someone else eventually releases a mod putting the intros at the start of each DLC, because they just do such a perfect job of encapsulating the mood and feel of each DLC.
Yes, but to me it felt a lot like ripoff from the original half life game, when you have practicaly the same angled elevator and the head crabs are trying to get you.
@@NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself Same energy with the Hunting Shotgun, land mines and three to five stimpaks. Also V.A.T.S once or twice, which feels like sex with the Hunting Shotgun.
He talked to mobius. Mobius tells us what he asked, he asked how to make nations, AND how to break them. I can’t remember the details of his talk with the think tank but I think I’m starting to get a clear picture of what all happened
Lonesome Road totally blew my mind, because the concept that an NPC knew more about my character than myself was absolutely amazing!!!! And hey, Ulysses is just one of the best NPCs in my eyes. He has so many layers. Those who say he sounds like a spoiled child just need to look deeper here and think about his history. His tribe was completely wiped out/absorbed by "Kaisar" and he and all his people lost their identity. All his life he has been looking for something to believe in. When he finally finds a place, it's blown sky high and he almost dies in the blast. I think he just needed something/someone to direct his anger towards. So he "shoots" the messenger... I mean he blames the Courier. :)
I'm going to keep this simple: Courier isnt responsible for destruction of The Divide. Ulysses is hypocrite. Ulysses was responsible for killing New Canaan
Ulysses is very much the spoiled brat villain. A spiteful sophist who directs his anger toward the player character in the form of annoyingly truncated exposition dumps telling us how guilty we are of things we didn't even do in the game. This entire DLC foists the whole 'player character was literally hitler before he was the player character' and 'obliviously evil' tropes in such a hamfisted way, it annoyed the hell out of me. This is a ROLE playing game, but apparently our role has already been decided for us and it is being spelled out to us in the most obnoxious way, as the FINAL DLC of an already fully released game. Ulysses be like, 'You did all this, remember? Remember? You remember when you murdered all those puppies and drowned all those babies before? lol remember, Courier? Remember how you pressed a button to open a door and it somehow launches a nuke in the process, now the orphanage is gone and it's all your fault Courier because you clearly did everything on purpose - even all this stuff you did in the events prior to the game which I'm only telling you, the player (who had no control over or knowledge of said events), about now in the form of edgy fragmented sentences and exposition dumps. lol by the way did I tell you I would have loved to carry the chip myself but i saw your name so I let you carry it and now everything's bad and I'm all super angry at you'.
Ulysses, probably: "This is all your fault. The nukes, the codes, the detonations. All you. You destroyed this place with your presence and ignorance alone but uh...wanna launch some nukes?"
A few thoughts here about this episode. For a man who talks a lot, Ulysses doesn't say all that much. Ulysses sounds like an abuser to me, they way he shrugs off responsibility and blames others. SOmething to look out for when we finally confront him… I have to wonder if the "package" that Ulysses keeps harping on about isn't an ED-E unit. ED-E has been shown to carry memories from before The Great War (and likely from whatever time he spent amongst The Enclave,) and it is possible that he is capable of recording every moment and encounter he is witness to. If the recordings he plays back are any indiciation, he may have overheard the activation codes for the missle launches within The Divide and accidentally set them off.
I suppose the biggest question would be if the Enclave in Navaro had eyebots that'd have detonation codes installed, where did they get their eyebots from, and why would the US Army have automated launch sequences like that in eyebots, or if not the Army being the source of them, why would the Enclave have installed random launch codes into their manufactured eyebots? I haven't played Fallout 2 before, so I'd not really know much of the Enclave beyond broad strokes and motives there, so if it's explained there how they got their eyebots, I'd have no idea.
Funny, I thought a similar thing Steven Moncivais. I thought Ulysses seemed a bit like a stalker from his description of following the Courier while she delivered the package containing the detonator to the Divide.
@Gratuitous Lurking: My understanding is that the eyebots were a ante-bellum automaton, but The Enclave took many of the original, still operating eye bots and modified them for combat. If my recollection is correct, The Enclave despised the wastelanders, so installing nuclear missile launch codes into these armed and armored eye bots would be an excellent away to "cleanse the unwashed." @Rebecca Mumford: My thoughts exactly.
Here's a thought. The package that came to the Divide did _exactly_ what it was designed to do, to hack missile launch systems and cause failed launches. Imagine, if you will, a pre-war experimental weapon for use against Chineese missile silos that was shelved since China had a lot of mobile launch capability in subs, bombers and the like. That device was then tinkered with by the Enclave to work on any missile complex, because of course they would, then ending up in NCR hands. Now the thing is that while Ashton and Hopeville might have been damaged in The War, that would have been surface only and as we know, a society was flourishing there, not the seismic disturbance damage we see all through the Divide, which happened _after_ the package was delivered and turned the Divide into the hellhole it is now. So missiles in silos being askew cannot be why the nukes awoken by the package exploded underground, but a sabotage device could be. But that's just a Game Theory...
This Ulysses guy has a case of the stupids, doesn't he? He blames you for triggering nukes, but leads you to a device and insists you trigger *more* nukes? Why can't you say anything about his hypocrisy to him?
I think he's trying to say that you brought destruction to the Divide on your last visit and now that your back you're bringing even more destruction. You could argue that it wasn't your choice but it was. You could have just said no and left without detonating any nukes.
Lonesome Road was a really good dlc. The only thing I hated about it were the Tunnelers. Those things were unreasonably OP, even at the level cap and playing on the Very Easy difficulty.
after watching this and after seeing how ulysses has treated ed-e and the fact that ed-e was heading to where you believe the package that caused this came from i think ed-e was the package
Hey Oxhorn! Just wanted to say how much I love your channel and all the hard work that you pour into it; it is truly appreciated and that you should keep up the amazing work! :-) Also, I really love the design of your Ulysses-inspired t-shirt; but I don't suppose it comes/ could come in black?
Thank you Oxhorn. Fallout has helped me through hard times and your videos have too. I hope you know how many people's lives you have drastically improved. Thank you.
valor0dragoon Lol no. You get him at the end of the dlc depending on your choices. He works as any fully functional companion. He was supposed to be a companion but they scrapped it but the dialogue he would say as a companion are still there and then some.
BTW Oxhorn im a big fan...i just wanted to point out that there is a way to keep Ulysses alive...its worth expanding upon just saying there is way more to him he is one of the characters in NV that has the richest story...
My mind was just blown because i swear from how Ulysses is describing you and the package it sounds so much like the enclave plus with this incident being set sometime in the past long before you came and woke up in docs place it would make a hell of a lot of sense."Markings of the old world" (The enclave was a prewar faction that had access to all of the government and included the president) "A voice spoke from the machine" (This could easily be a reference to President Eden who had compleat knowledge of everything america had and did and in fact was a Commuter AI. (Whats more given the tensions at the time and the area they more than likely sent a enclave agent there rather than a eye bot since a eye bot would either be detained,destroyed or worse not even make it.) ) its more than likely the enclave didn't want anyone but themselves to take control of the area so they sent you in to destroy it and the president enacted a launch command to all missals or a detonation command (Witch does actually exist to prematurely detonate missals if needed such as in the case that a silo was hijacked) and then boom everything happened as it did and only enclave members with the old world symbol would survive (Witch would make sense as to why you survived if you where at the center as well) the eye bots relised you where a friendly a helped you out like they did Ulysses.
I do think there is a beauty in the literal divide between the two couriers, one is an actual disillusioned Legion lapdog while the other can be an ignorant NCR "hero" aka side quest hunter. Seeing that most players will help the NCR while also the independent New Vegas is the most chosen ending, it really brings the storyline full circle.
I respect the way you make corrections and acknowledge feedback from your watchers, Oxhorn. It shows how much you engage with your community and your commitment to improving your content. Not a lot of people in your position would be so humble. I enjoy your content, and respect you as a creator. Thanks for all the hard work!
Lora Elstad yeah and that’s the sad part. They survived the Great War only to be wiped out by the same weapons that supposed to protect them and with that the knowledge of the good old U.S.A
What I don't get is why all those nukes have their safeties disabled. Especially the ones that just detonated in their silos. Even the original nuclear bombs had them.
So let me check I've got this straight: The Courier has travelled all over the country and gained a reputation for themselves. One day delivered a package to the Divide and this caused the missles in a nearby radius to destroy the tribes who lived there. Ulysses, who had heard about the Courier, witnessed this and hates the Courier for it... Am I understanding this right?
Tyler Adams it was most likely a remote ware head detonation device as the nukes weren’t launched, they were detonated while they were still underground creating a huge fault: The Divide
Love everything you do ox don't worry about the haters there's a billion of us out here that love what you do don't worry about anybody that tells you otherwise keep up the good work brother and I will watch you to the end every day
TrueToCaesar someone last night complimented him on his work and he said for every one person that thinks you're doing a good job that's 50 try to tear him down...
Making it all the worse that he then blames you for your "unintentional consequences". Utter bullshit as the nuke was the very real INTENTIONAL consequence of him leading to the Ashton Silo!
The elevator scene reminds me of a specific part of Half-Life, where the player rides a similar elevator and has to fend off Headcrabs jumping onto the platform from above. It's probably a reference to that.
Ulysses' Mom: "Ulysses, are you gonna join us for dinner? Its getting cold and you've been talking to your friend for a while now." Ulysses: "Shut up mom! Ill be there in a second!!... Anyway, where was I? Oh yeah: Bear and Bull, the old world, cracks in the earth, The Divide..."
I appreciate your ability to correct your mistakes and listen to your community. They were just small errors but you corrected them fully in the video, great job.
am I supposed to believe that that giant 40 pound industrial power fist with a saw blade attached to it can be considered a hold out weapon? "whats that on your arm there sir?" "oh just a cast I broke my wrist ummm gardening... a while back."
Hey Oxhorn, please, can you tell us about Psykers and also, more about Oswald the Outrageous, he isn't a psyker, but have an ability to teleport, which is simply impossible, if you're not a synth or haven't some kind of superpowers
He doesn't teleport - he uses an old stage magician's trick, with flash powder and concealed trap doors. That's where he got the name Oswald the Outrageous, after all - his magician act before the War.
At 8:54 right at the bottom of the Ashton silo where the ramp has fallen is another safe under the ramp. It just has random loot but figured I’d mention it.
litteraly like 11 years since the game came out still playing it and addicted I really don’t know why fallout 76 wasn’t just a remake of this game instead of well ....🤮🤮
Our choice? For all that Ulysses uses cheap philosophy he seems to be ignoring the obvious, or to have overdosed on Sartre. As the Courier we're sort of in a meta kind of Chinese Box scenario. In comes the card with Chinese, we look it up in the book and output the response card. Why output the right response? Because we're competent at our job and not a fumbling idiot. We have personal pride, something I'm not sure Ulysses actually understands.
Gearing up for another play through. Just watching these after all this time. Just noticed that you don't use scrap to build repair kits with Ede's workbench. Can save a lot of caps if you repair and sell stuff to the commissary instead of using the commissary to repair gear. Jury rigging perk also helps.
My hat is off to oxhorn im so happy to hear somebody listening to his viewers to explain things most people would not understand you are a scholar and a gentleman
Hey ox, did you know that outside the hopevill missile silo, behind the gas station, their is a chance to spawn a nuke cola quantum in the box? You diddnt mention it, so I thought I would.
Every time I revisit this DLC I can’t help but being in awe with the depth of it, although I can’t shake away the feeling, that the Ulysses at some point of writing process underwent some changes, that turned him from a character of its own into more of a plot device. This way you actually have to fight the narrative delivered to get to the deeper meanings of the story. But the ethics of it, the questions it makes you ask yourself is absolutely stellar despite all that. Do you have to answer for the consequences of your inadvertent actions? Is killing cynical man’s sudden hope worse than killing the man himself? Is a nation really destined to be born, live and die to repeat the cycle with all the mistakes made along the way over and over again? Thank you for these videos and an opportunity to experience this incredible story again!
seriously, for a guy who talks so much Ulysses doesn't really say a whole lot; most of his dialogue boils down to "all the problems of the wasteland are somehow your fault because reasons."
I finally got my mods to work for New Vegas, and I can now enjoy lonesome road like this! Thank you for making such unique content, brought together with a menacing voice.
Bethesda Haters: The sole survivor was a poor RPG character because s/he had to be a lawyer/soldier and we knew their backstory Also Bethesda Haters: The courier was the best character in spite of having to be a courier, having definitely been to New Reno and having destroyed a civilisation backstory
Xeferex nope it’s also New Vegas, a great game to be sure but also has its flaws. I just think there is a double standard among the Bethesda bashers. If Bethesda had forced you to follow a particular road in the main story they’d have been crucified. And they got legitimate criticism for the linear nature of Anchorage but Lonesome Road is very linear too
Yes, the backstory of "you went two places as a courier once", that's certainly equivalent to "you're straight, married, have a child, are a lawyer/veteran, care about your family, and have no agency over your own dialogue"
Ekkie Ekk went two places once? Err no, nuked an entire nation but have no recollection of it, although you can recall seeing a lounge singer in Reno.... That is most definitely the epitome of forcing a backstory onto your character
They sure made their missiles sturdy. Missile launches after 200+ years with no maintenance being performed on it or the launch facilities. Yeah, game logic.
Details, details. :-D I'm just going off real world as the entire (maybe parts as I never looked inside the transport trailer.) missile is removed from the silo at times and moved to a maintenance facility. Seen them being transported a few times in my Air Force days. Although, I worked bombers.
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That look when you try to open a door and nuke a place by mistake.....:0
[EDIT: Start 'em again and fire me, you noticed and said later on in the video. I still wonder if it was actually sent by the NCR and not Enclave remnants though.]
Stop the presses Jack, I reckon I got a scoop for ya.
Go to 31:11 or thereabouts, Ulysses says of the detonator package:
"Had symbols of America on it. New markings. From after the Great War."
"New Markings"
"From AFTER the Great War"
The Enclave blew up Courier Six's settlement, Ox. This makes my inner Minuteman very mad.
Did they mean to or was it just taken after the events of Fallout 2 by the NCR?
Hey Oxhorn! I just wanted to let you know that I'm a big fan of your Fallout lore videos. I especially enjoyed your introductions with the dlc. I respect you
“Don’t shoot the messenger” is the opposite of this entire game
Probably the last words of Courier 6 to Benny.
Probably the last word of Ulysses once we made it to him.
Ryan Busch and i... HAVE 900 HRS ON IT CUZ ITS AMAZING
"Don't shoot the courier" Doesn't roll off the tongue as well though. Perhaps why you get shot!
on a related note, Cass sees shooting the courier as a crime worthy of instant death
Oh shit, your right! THE FUCK!
Ulysses: You took everything from me!!!
Courier Six: I don't even know who you are...
In a nutshell quite literally
I think its more of.
Courier: "What happened here?"
Ulysses: "You should know! You caused it!."
Courier: "SoRRy I got shot in the f*$King HEAD!"
The day the Courier brought death and destruction over you was the most important day in your life. For me it was delivery 2642, in three days or it´s free.
This was a reference to Thanos saying the same thing to scatlet witch in endgame.
You only get it if you choose the wild wasteland trait.
@@memes_the_dna_of_the_soul5487 It's not even that, the Courier doesn't have any memory loss. It's just one of many, many places the Courier has traveled to over the years, it was never their home like Ulysses mentions. By the time the disaster happened the Courier was miles away on another job and never figured out what happened.
Ulysses says "Divide" a total of 218 times in Lonesome Road
How much time have you spent counting how many times someone said divide?
Like Chandler to Joey "You got way too much free time man"
How many times does he say "road" or "history"?
Thought the number was lower,thats insane
How many times does he say "yerr" instead of your?
Ulysses doesn't understand the meaning of courier: a delivery person who delivers goods or packages from one place to another; basically a middle man, they get paid to deliver the poor guy was just trying to make some money man give em a break lol. Blaming the courier for delivering a package and saying its all his fault for it is like blaming your mailman for bringing you bills.
Also awesome vids Oxhorn and thanks for shining a new light on such a great game & DLC ☺
I do blame the mailman for bills
Yes Ulysses is also a huge hypocrite. He says that the NCR fail to see the damage they cause, but he literally left Elija to die at Seira Madre and almost have him release the red mist, trained that tribe in Honest Hearts, and almost let the fucking THINK TANK onto the Mojave. Just cause he had beef with Courier 6. The guy almost killed the Mojave 3 times over and doesn't even think twice about it.
I've always found Ulysses hatred for the Courier ridiculous for this reason. When I first got to that part I found it to be a very silly motivation. Courier Six wouldn't have known what was in the package.
But Ulysses is delusional and has created this entire narrative to blame someone. He's not stable so that was probably the point.
Thank you for this insight Italian dictator Benito Mussolini
34:09 The package that Courier 6 delivered was a secret ICBM detonator from Camp Navarro after the NCR-Enclave war, when the courier arrived at the divide with the detonator it triggered itself, detonating almost every remaining ICBM that lay in the silos which caused the cataclysm that is now "The Divide"
Julian Cumbia It makes a point to tell of it speaking, once plugged in. I assumed it was an artificial intelligence, maybe similar to Eden from Fallout 3. Intending to retaliate against the NCR, unable to guess the warheads were stuck underground, it attempts to launch them. In the chaos, it's buried, detached from any terminal or network.
Greg Hemmann who knows for sure but the NCR are also responsible for the destruction caused
How did the Courier get out of there in time
christopher kein It took time to realize the full extent of the networks resources? Maybe disoriented upon reawakening? Or didn't know the outcome of Navaro, and after some time speaking to the inhabitants of the divide, came to the conclusion that the ncr was victorious?
Dude no he brought sky net, a machine that could talk. Sky net came and set nukes then got skull f+++++ by a tunneler.
I think with the dead marked men we can assume that Ulysses killed them and then left their bodies in the room, locking on the way out so that other marked men couldn't find it and track him.
Best answer I've heard.
Or it was obsidian who made the mistake and nothing more than that.
valor0dragoon ~ that's a possible answer too. But, if you want to stick to in game explanations of why things are the way they are, Ulysses killing them makes as much sense as any. After all, he did set the road for the Courier to walk.
Yeah, that's more likely the case but you can find ways to justify anything within the lore, so I choose to believe that Ulysses decided to do it so as to not be tracked and hunted, or it's an attempt to try to scare off courier six - a display of his strength. (He does try to get courier six to leave with his graffiti throughout the divide, afterall).
Septlaxer Gaming ~ or he's trying to goad the Courier into rash action.
I doubt you can scare the Courier at this point. Like Joker said in the first Batman movie, "I've been dead once already. Its very liberating. You should think of it as...um...hehe...therapy."
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The Courier is definitely the most interesting player character compared to the Vault Dweller or the Lone Wanderer. Unlike pretty much all other player characters which lived in isolated communities, knowing nothing of the wasteland, the Courier was an active participant of wasteland events even before the start of the game. Things have already happened in this world because of you, people already know of you and your past deeds. So I hope in what ever future Fallout game we get we don't just play another Vault survivor. Lets play someone who was born, raised, and lived the Wasteland life.
Cane McKeyton are you a furry
Except for the Chosen One.
He’s the strongest, and the greatest Fallout Protagonist. He killed Frank Horrigan.
@@Zelousmarineinspace He was Born, Raised, and lived in the wasteland just like the Courier.
@Chip how can you forget the Archimedes 1 weapons systems which is a giant laser and pulse gun that would literally kill someone in power armor in 2 hits
Why not play a raider and let it be like far cry
Man, Ulysses really likes to talk doesn't he? Like a teenager on the phone. Bet he's talking from his bedroll too. On his stomach, legs bent, kicking his feet and twirling his dreads in his fingers 😆
Lmao. 😂😂😂😂
Hey! I'm a teenager and can tell you from experience that this comment is false.
@@keulron2290 it's a joke.
@@doubleE24 It's hard to tell when your life doesnt revolve around humor.
@@doubleE24 I used to have a sense of humor, then I took a bullet to the funny bone.
I'm reminded of what Dr. Mobius said during the events of _Old World Blues_ when you ask about Ulysses. "The other... the other asked a different question, and with it, got the true answer. About what makes nations... and what breaks them. He spoke to the Think Tank, to Klein. Showed them the flag of the Old World... and it made them remember. All of it. All that had happened. They shared things with him that they shouldn't. He now carries those ideas, that knowledge elsewhere..." Ulysses wanted to know what made The Divide into the nation it was, and after it was gone he wanted to know how to bring that devastation upon the NCR and the Legion in retaliation. It's all about how much he wants to destroy these entire nations by himself, when his chosen nation was also destroyed by just one man.
According to him
My interpretation is a bit different: while Ulysses during Lonesome Road was indeed trying to destroy NCR, it's not his major goal during the events in the other DLC's. Ulysses is a tragic character, and as every tragic character he has a flaw that works both as a hindrance as well as a advantage; that flaw is his obsession with deeper meaning.
Ulysses, much like a conspiracy nut or your ninth-grade English teacher, believes that there is meaning in everything. This is why he wears an old-world flag on his back; not because of the symbol, but because of everything it resembles, both of the dead nation and himself. When the Divide was destroyed, Ulysses was saved by the eyebots, who recognized his flag, and saved him accordingly.
Ulysses belief in deeper meaning made him abandon the White Legs. After helping them, the White Legs thanked him by copying his hair style. Ulysses's original tribe had meaning in their dreadlocks, and seeing the mockery and lack of meaning in this tribute drove Ulysses insane, making him abandon them. This left them still with the belief that they would become of the Legion if they killed, but without any restraint.
He sent Elijah to the Sierra Madre, knowing it would lead to his death, because he believed it would be ironic punishment, that it would be a fitting end to Elijah's greed and insanity. He did not reflect on how he would go on to abduct people and murder them in his power hungry quest.
Finally, the Think Tank. He was disgusted at how they had forgotten who they are, the meanings behind what they do. Ulysses's question reminded them who they are, and it led to them almost breaking free.
Ulysses does want the NCR destroyed. But more importantly, he wants meaning, and wants that which has no meaning to be destroyed.He even says it himself:
"My history isn't revenge or hate. The road that brought us here - it's about that."
@@cheesewizard3965 So, Ulysses is a person trying to find meaning in everything? Jesus, no wonder he is trying to find purpose, because not everything HAS PURPOSE...somethings are just random and horribly pointless.
I firmly believe sparing him at the end of the story is the best option, but, I do not believe his ideas are correct in the slightest.
So what you are telling me is,
He is mentally unstable, doesn’t know as such, or maybe does, and needs to get help.
Which is probably true
@@kyokyodisaster4842 I think another part of this also comes from his origin as a tribal, and then becoming a member of the Legion. Everything that had made his people what they were was stripped away when they became just another tally of the 86 tribes, but it's clear in Ulysses's case, this didn't translate to removing every mark- in this case, their dreads, which were probably dismissed as nothing special by the Legion. This one symbol gave Ulysses his own sense of identity inside this homogenized slaver nation, and no doubt between that and how the White Legs mimicked it, started to make him wonder about the point of the symbols in the grander scheme of things. It's part of the reason why one of the rockets is aimed at the Legion too- he may have more animosity for the NCR, but he wants his old masters to bleed dry too. Ulysses seems to be a man that wants things to matter out there, but unfortunately this is a world where everyone's doing their metaphorical nine to five to survive, whether that's keeping geckos off your well or piloting a massive post-apocalypse nation state, the only symbols that matter to most of those people are the ones they create themselves.
I like to think that Ulysses just plain has the wrong guy. It kind of fits with his sloppy judgement of Courier Six's true allegiances. It kinda fits with the whole flavor of fallout's universe. Dude has murderous vengeance in his heart, is one of the legion's most capable agents, and turns that rage against the wrong guy....just some poor mailman with monstrously bad luck.
rom65536 the courier has a habit of bringing potentially world ending pieces of technology with him the Platinum Chip and the Detonator and it’s a way to make you sympathize with the marked men and to give Ulysses a reason to be mad
I dont think he has the wrong guy, he is just way too vengeful. It seems like Ulysses could never really find a faction/ideology he truly identifies (seen as how he thinks NCR, Legion and BOS are all alike and will never last, House he doesn’t like either) with and has hope for, until he finds the divide. When the courier indirectly destroys it he his heartbroken. He blames the courier for taking his last chance at finding a home and a purpose in his life.
@rom65536 if you're right then Benny was even more prophetic with his line from the opening cutscene. "The game was rigged from the start."
Just awful disjointed writing. Ulysses story of the courier actually lines up perfectly with the courier having amnesia from the gunshot to the head.
Why do you think the courier forgot about the divide despite traveling there dozens of times??
So either FNV fanboys have to accept that the courier had a pre determined life before benny.....or just ignore it for the stupid writing that it is.
@@manz7860the writing when you are talking to Ulysses takes into account that the courier has lost their memory, but sometimes as players we forget. And Ulysses himself is too angry and driven by this revenge to fully understand that if the courier has lost their memory then they norther and saying "you know" isn't really helpful😂 but it is in character with him being kinda coocoo at this point
Ulysses reminds me so much of a child that hasn't gotten what he wants. Blaming the courier for delivering something that ended up destroying the divide. It's the people's fault who wanted the technology in the first place not for someone just doing their job. He is too broken to see the bigger picture and blames the only person he can think off. The Courier.
I think the courier reminds him too much of himself. He himself brought the death of his tribe, just like the courier brought it to the Divide... Ulysses hates himself for it, and since you are just as Him, a courier who affiliates himself with a much more powerfull nations that is united by a symbol.
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Yesss that's what I thought too! What comes to mind is the episode of South Park where a guy screws over Cartman and he tries to get back at him and keeps failing and finally at the end comes up with this huge elaborate plan to get back at him and makes him eat his parents. In Cartman's case the guy screwed him over so he at least has an excuse. In this case the Courier didn't do anything to Ulysses.
but that's the thing:in ulysses eyes,the courier did do something to him,we gave him hope. and then it blew up the second he was ready to embrace it,when there was no going back,but he hadn't been as forward yet. i'm not saying he's *right* i'm just trying to explain the motives/thoughts/thought process behind it all.
@@cobraglatiator Well i had mod thst let yiu learn about the couriers post pre getting shot in the head. You used to be a monster a destroyer of life's you killed for fun you destroyed you helped destroy the divide. A guy unknown told you to nuke the divide and get your sister back. Via the remote. After that you became a self destructive uncaring nearing emotionloss monster who killed for fun sold people untill the bullet reborn you. It's a mod don't remember the name of the mod but you can find on the Xbox 360 mod site in serious it's only on 360.
@@ainzooalgownoverlord8913 huh.
Personally, I like the decision Obsidian made with Lonesome Road. Unfortunately, I know there are people who dislike this DLC because they make up their own backstory when they play, and this story contradicts theirs.
To be fair you can deny you were involved throughout the entire DLC
Orrrr its because of sodding Ulysees, the self-righteous prick, masquerading as a wise-man, while he's just a mercenary 'suffering' a bout of self-reflection that made him question his disastrous, malicious choices in life. Well, tough! Live with it! A good-for-nothing mindless killer that likes to blame others for his actions because he doesn't have the guts to admit his own cruelty! And boy, does he blab! The platitudes! Just get to the point! Ugh. He annoys the shit outta me.
yeah, even if Ulysses wasn't lying, it barely effects your story at all. we are only assuming he isn't lying or isn't wrong about you.
Strife Rixa courier six was not involved. you can tell the truth through the whole DLC.
To me the gunshot we take to the head in the beginning of New Vegas is pretty much a reset button. Who the Courier was before Benny's attempted murder doesn't matter, it's who the Courier becomes after. In a metaphorical (if that is the correct word) sense, Benny actually succeeded in killing the Courier. But the Courier was reborn as someone new, a person shaped not by their past, but by their experiences in the Mojave.
Some people think that by giving the courier a past it destroyed the character creation. However, I think the way they went about creating your past is very well done and does a good job of showing youre your own person, not what Ulysses labels you throughout your journey, and they give you options to tell this to him. People would speak of the divide in the base game, no link to the courier then, no possibility of you knowing anything about your involvement. If you think about it, you and courier six before the events of New Vegas are drastically different people. If anything by discovering your past, your learning of someone else's history, not your own.
It's why I argue that the voiced character in 4 wasn't necessarily a bad idea. The events of Vault 111 would be a trauma to anyone, as much as a trauma as, say, getting shot in the head and surviving. I mean, it's a better option than Fallout 3's cradle to grave story, where you get forced to literally sit through your entire adolescence.
Gratuitous Lurking I agree on how they created more of a clean slate than fallout 3. I think people were upset by the fact that the male/female sole survivor already had a predetermined past aka, soldier or lawyer. Ontop of how people couldn't put their own perceived voice and personality onto the character, which I can understand, personally, however, this isn't a deal breaker. I feel they did a good job creating a more compelling story than fallout 3, one that wouldn't have been as much without that voiced protagonist. They both have their pros and cons, as does any game design desicion.
I think the best way to look at the CaC is this: Fallout 3 is who will you become, New Vegas is who are you, and Fallout 4 is what are you willing to do.
Zack Dzingle while this is an interesting perspective, it falls apart if you enjoy giving your characters any kind of backstory. Your told No, this is what happened. In game that gives you so many role playing choices and ways to fill in the gaps and make your own character, this is insanely disappointing.
Ento: The Chesnaut Knight Not necessarily. I don't know about you, but pretty much all of the builds I make have the courier spending most of their life around the Mojave, and having been a career courier, given that one does not simply get offered a job from mr house on your first day. House even says he chose you to carry the chip. All LR does is say "yep this guy has been to this and that place in the 20-60 something years they've been alive". Not all that lore breaking
Lonesome Road in a Nutshell
>60% Dialogue
>20% "The Divide"
>15% Looting
>5% Fighting
Lot more fighting than that. Like a lot more
How is there 60% dialogue if u tally to like one person
4% fighting 1% breaking bones because of stachtel Charges
*Walk The Divide*
Dude, when did you go? I had to keep on my toes constantly in there
This is my issue with Ulysses. He blames the Courier for things he didn't know, for places he did not destroy and for history he himself voyeured into. He says they walked the same roads and he knew about the Courier yet all he had were assumptions of who he/she is and how the consequences of actions he was ignorant of. All Ulysses had were assumptions - nothing real, nothing true.
That's what makes him such a believable character to me. Because that's how people really work a lot of the time in reality. They pick enemies and sides based on assumptions and stories, or complete flukes that also had fault with others apart from their monolithic enemy.
Ulysses saw what he felt was one person build something he could believe in, finally truly side with. And then obliterate it all right before his eyes. Emotions gripped him, and as he stood without answers he made up his own explanations for the gaps in why everything happened. Not letting go the Courier not knowing what the package was with the idea that ignorance is a choice, even if you're literally unable to find out what it was. He stewed on it for years, growing more angry and embittered. And then he realized: if one person can obliterate everything a people stands for in a single stroke, why can't he use the same powerful strokes to make certain nations like the Legion become a worthy force and don't buckle to the greed the NCR fell to?
In a way, it's kind of a fault for every one of the main factions in the game (except for NCR and Brotherhood? I admit, not gotten to actually endgame enough in the past to see if this applies to those two as well.). Benny underestimates your drive to get answers/revenge for the shot in the head. House, Ceaser, Elijah, the talking heads of the Big MT... all of them underestimate you one way or another, tossing you aside as 'just a mailman' or another of the labotimites despite your strange circumstances. Seeing and hearing Ulysses proper here, I'm starting to notice a pattern.
That's a really good point. Ulysses assumed that Hopesville/the Divide was a place the Courier had chosen to be their home just through watching her from afar, walking the roads she did and stalking her. He never actually spoke to her or got to know her. He just assumed her motives.
For all he knows (and its up to the player to decide I suppose), the Courier had some well paying repeat-business clients in the Divide for whom she regularly delivered packages for which would explain why she repeatedly returned there. This is even plausible if we're to believe the food and resources she carried to the Divide were enough to sustain the settlement. Regular reliable pay/employment.
*Chuckles.* Using Ulysses' logic, we might as well say Goodsprings is my Courier's new 'home' because she keeps returning there, despite the fact she/I return there pretty often to make use of the merchant and doctor there.
I think Ulysses observed the Courier carefully from afar, whether as a Frumentarii or as a curiosity. I think Ulysses' past with the Legion, especially his time with the White Legs, made him realize that there was a way out, that there was a third option for his life where even if he couldn't return to the life he had before the Legion, he could build one for himself that he chose, rather than was predicated by outside forces.
I think he wanted the town the Courier helped to build up could've been that for him, a neutral party that he could be a part of. I think some part of him realizes we didn't know what we did that made the Divide what it is now... but the dream Ulysses had for this would-be home made him blame you anyway. "If not for you, then I could've lived here", didn't matter that we didn't know about the package, didn't matter that our near death wiped that part of our past away, in his mind if he had been in your place HE would've known; thus, OUR failing that town is a personal slight against HIM.
It's clear Ulysses has totally given up on life, he hates the NCR more than he hates the Legion (which he at least has a passing respect for), and now there's no neutral players in the game. War between both factions is inevitable, and no matter who wins, Ulysses loses. I think he thinks this confrontation he's been building us towards is his way of exorcising his own ghosts, and holding us accountable for what he thinks we did. It's the one real conflict left inside him, a fight between equals held at a time and place of his choosing, and that conflict will resolve who was right, so that he can die with peace.
I like your counterpoint and it's true. People make assumptions of things that they clearly don't know and that makes him an enjoyably complex villain. Even then, his issues could've been resolved if he at least talked to the Courier or confronted him/her at least once. I know it doesn't make for good story but if he at least talked like how he did to the Courier once everything was on fire, he could've seen what intentions the Courier really had and from there seen how much of The Divide is accidental.
But it seems to me that he is still grieving and unforgiving after all these years. Lots of wasted good potential for him.
Aint noone scared of some dude who talk like bane and cant write "6" the right way
Frumentarii more like frumentardii
@@darthfrosty5146 no, more like futamentarii.
Erhem. Let me break this down like Strong would. "Fruit Man Tard"
everything in this made me laugh
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36:00 after Ulysses talks to you , if youre quick you can spot him in vats in the building to the left.
He is not targe-able in vats. The stalking one is unkillable. Even with console commands.
I've also seen him at the Crow's nest. I like the thought of him having to deal with me staring back at him with Annabelle locked and loaded. She has just enough zoom.
"The Industrial Hand is a Holdout weapon!"
...Right. Cuz no security guard is going to look at you funny for wearing a buzzsaw on your arm. GENIUS!
Sorry, I just had to CD
"Don't worry about it. Big Sal hired me to replace his toilet, and I need this to .. uh.. cut his pipes."
The Tunnelers are kinda cute. They'd make a cute plushie.
Good job
With glow-in-the-dark bits :3
ScopeDog Eehhhhh, still kind of cute.
You’d be great for working on F76 with all the goofy shit they added to the lore💀💀
Shut up
As a non-native English speaker, I seriously hate Ulysses for being so cryptic and not answering the Courier's question directly.
Mikhael Gonato I hate that as just an English speaker. It sucks how he can't be more direct. Like you:hey what's this? Ulysses: it's the fire if a burning heart, and the blue in the old world skies, the eye of a Robin, and the sound of a wailing coyote. You: wtf?
I love his voice and droning and stuff but Jesus Christ it's 23th century
Don't worry, as a native English speaker nothing grinds my gears in a story more than the 'hateful cryptic villain' type. Seriously, this guy came out of nowhere and drones on and on about all the horribly horrible and super bad things the player supposedly did but had NO IDEA they ever committed. Makes me want to replay the game so I can jam a mini-nuke in his mouth.
Mikhael Gonato it's supposed to be confusing
Ulysses was supposed to *be* the Courier. He turned the job down when he saw your name next on the list. Pissed Nash Johnson off something awful - Johnson wanted to see Ulysses caught up in a Divide storm for backing out of the contract.
Industrial fist=Hold-out weapon....because reasons.
phaylnx it’s a prosthetic, don’t worry I won’t kill anyone ;)
because it fits like a glooooove ;)
yeah because you hold it out and people die
it doubles as a vase that holds flowers.
the courier puts it up their sleeve
Omg your intros are always so good.
I hope you or someone else eventually releases a mod putting the intros at the start of each DLC, because they just do such a perfect job of encapsulating the mood and feel of each DLC.
adam.PL .
I figured out how to play this intro on guitar, I have it on the comments of episode 3
adam.PL sorry, I want to know too, I needed to get a notification :D
Oxhorn didn't do the intro music though, yes he paid someone to make them but who would get the credit Oxhorn or the one who did the music?
Jack yep, I saw your comment there, great work friend! Sometimes I wish I had time to play any instrument.
Monologue Road
James Blore Pew Pew Action Pew Pew
*press button*
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More like dialogue road
@@RDAScout It feels like a Monologue even if it is a dialogue
The DLC is basically just 50% blowing the shit out of everything 50% long monologues by the same guy.
The lift sequence is easily my favorite moment in this dlc. It was the most unexpected and tense fights tbh
Yes, but to me it felt a lot like ripoff from the original half life game, when you have practicaly the same angled elevator and the head crabs are trying to get you.
aleksandar maksic never thought about that. Maybe I subconsciously realized that. Either way, that’s interesting
The lift sequence made up for the fact that the Primm rollercoaster was broken.
It was intense! I was in there with a light machine gun, spraying all over and yelling like Rambo.
@@NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself Same energy with the Hunting Shotgun, land mines and three to five stimpaks. Also V.A.T.S once or twice, which feels like sex with the Hunting Shotgun.
He talked to mobius. Mobius tells us what he asked, he asked how to make nations, AND how to break them. I can’t remember the details of his talk with the think tank but I think I’m starting to get a clear picture of what all happened
Lonesome Road totally blew my mind, because the concept that an NPC knew more about my character than myself was absolutely amazing!!!! And hey, Ulysses is just one of the best NPCs in my eyes. He has so many layers. Those who say he sounds like a spoiled child just need to look deeper here and think about his history. His tribe was completely wiped out/absorbed by "Kaisar" and he and all his people lost their identity. All his life he has been looking for something to believe in. When he finally finds a place, it's blown sky high and he almost dies in the blast. I think he just needed something/someone to direct his anger towards. So he "shoots" the messenger... I mean he blames the Courier. :)
I'm going to keep this simple: Courier isnt responsible for destruction of The Divide. Ulysses is hypocrite. Ulysses was responsible for killing New Canaan
The courier is responsible
Agrona It’s Caesar you fucking moron
Ulysses is very much the spoiled brat villain. A spiteful sophist who directs his anger toward the player character in the form of annoyingly truncated exposition dumps telling us how guilty we are of things we didn't even do in the game.
This entire DLC foists the whole 'player character was literally hitler before he was the player character' and 'obliviously evil' tropes in such a hamfisted way, it annoyed the hell out of me. This is a ROLE playing game, but apparently our role has already been decided for us and it is being spelled out to us in the most obnoxious way, as the FINAL DLC of an already fully released game.
Ulysses be like, 'You did all this, remember? Remember? You remember when you murdered all those puppies and drowned all those babies before? lol remember, Courier? Remember how you pressed a button to open a door and it somehow launches a nuke in the process, now the orphanage is gone and it's all your fault Courier because you clearly did everything on purpose - even all this stuff you did in the events prior to the game which I'm only telling you, the player (who had no control over or knowledge of said events), about now in the form of edgy fragmented sentences and exposition dumps. lol by the way did I tell you I would have loved to carry the chip myself but i saw your name so I let you carry it and now everything's bad and I'm all super angry at you'.
Agrona iiii
Ulysses, probably: "This is all your fault. The nukes, the codes, the detonations. All you. You destroyed this place with your presence and ignorance alone but uh...wanna launch some nukes?"
"Humanity chose to launch nukes once, and things were bad. Let's see if my random representative of humanity will make the same mistake again!"
A few thoughts here about this episode.
For a man who talks a lot, Ulysses doesn't say all that much.
Ulysses sounds like an abuser to me, they way he shrugs off responsibility and blames others. SOmething to look out for when we finally confront him…
I have to wonder if the "package" that Ulysses keeps harping on about isn't an ED-E unit. ED-E has been shown to carry memories from before The Great War (and likely from whatever time he spent amongst The Enclave,) and it is possible that he is capable of recording every moment and encounter he is witness to. If the recordings he plays back are any indiciation, he may have overheard the activation codes for the missle launches within The Divide and accidentally set them off.
I suppose the biggest question would be if the Enclave in Navaro had eyebots that'd have detonation codes installed, where did they get their eyebots from, and why would the US Army have automated launch sequences like that in eyebots, or if not the Army being the source of them, why would the Enclave have installed random launch codes into their manufactured eyebots? I haven't played Fallout 2 before, so I'd not really know much of the Enclave beyond broad strokes and motives there, so if it's explained there how they got their eyebots, I'd have no idea.
Funny, I thought a similar thing Steven Moncivais. I thought Ulysses seemed a bit like a stalker from his description of following the Courier while she delivered the package containing the detonator to the Divide.
@Gratuitous Lurking: My understanding is that the eyebots were a ante-bellum automaton, but The Enclave took many of the original, still operating eye bots and modified them for combat. If my recollection is correct, The Enclave despised the wastelanders, so installing nuclear missile launch codes into these armed and armored eye bots would be an excellent away to "cleanse the unwashed."
@Rebecca Mumford: My thoughts exactly.
@Lora Elstad: That's pretty close to what I was thinking.
Here's a thought. The package that came to the Divide did _exactly_ what it was designed to do, to hack missile launch systems and cause failed launches. Imagine, if you will, a pre-war experimental weapon for use against Chineese missile silos that was shelved since China had a lot of mobile launch capability in subs, bombers and the like. That device was then tinkered with by the Enclave to work on any missile complex, because of course they would, then ending up in NCR hands. Now the thing is that while Ashton and Hopeville might have been damaged in The War, that would have been surface only and as we know, a society was flourishing there, not the seismic disturbance damage we see all through the Divide, which happened _after_ the package was delivered and turned the Divide into the hellhole it is now. So missiles in silos being askew cannot be why the nukes awoken by the package exploded underground, but a sabotage device could be. But that's just a Game Theory...
Thank you Oxhorn I could never understand the plot of this dlc until now ❤❤❤
This Ulysses guy has a case of the stupids, doesn't he?
He blames you for triggering nukes, but leads you to a device and insists you trigger *more* nukes? Why can't you say anything about his hypocrisy to him?
I think his logic would be that its a moot point in that particular scenario because the divide is already fucked.
I think he's trying to say that you brought destruction to the Divide on your last visit and now that your back you're bringing even more destruction. You could argue that it wasn't your choice but it was. You could have just said no and left without detonating any nukes.
49mozzer you could but the game won’t let you
There is nothing stopping you from just walking back through the canyon wreckage.
Lonesome Road was a really good dlc. The only thing I hated about it were the Tunnelers. Those things were unreasonably OP, even at the level cap and playing on the Very Easy difficulty.
after watching this and after seeing how ulysses has treated ed-e and the fact that ed-e was heading to where you believe the package that caused this came from i think ed-e was the package
Wow bro you just blew my mind.
This story is still ominous to me and still has alot of unanswered questions when looking into the day the divide was created.
Got Bunnies More likely during the bombs drops
Got Bunnies whats peft unasnwered?
Baron Roper maybe its better not knowing than knowing
Baron Roper like who woke up the device the courier delivered?
Got Bunnies house did. He set up everything the courier did. All for the chip
Hey Oxhorn! Just wanted to say how much I love your channel and all the hard work that you pour into it; it is truly appreciated and that you should keep up the amazing work! :-)
Also, I really love the design of your Ulysses-inspired t-shirt; but I don't suppose it comes/ could come in black?
Thank you for decoding what the hell Ulysses is talking about. That man needed layman subtitles
Thank you Oxhorn. Fallout has helped me through hard times and your videos have too. I hope you know how many people's lives you have drastically improved. Thank you.
There is a mod that you can get Ulysses as a companion. But you need to complete the dlc and do certain actions to get him. I recommend it.
Really cool but will I have to sit though monologues
Does the mod mute his voice during the entire dlc as well?
valor0dragoon I hope so
valor0dragoon Lol no. You get him at the end of the dlc depending on your choices. He works as any fully functional companion. He was supposed to be a companion but they scrapped it but the dialogue he would say as a companion are still there and then some.
It is only a winner if they muted him from the start.
Ulysses needs a throat lozenge, I don't know how I sat through 21 straight minutes of that voice.
Hey oxhorn, read your book and I love it, thank you for making a masterpiece
Thanks for reading!
A Light shining in Darkness Hail to Caeser.
BTW Oxhorn im a big fan...i just wanted to point out that there is a way to keep Ulysses alive...its worth expanding upon just saying there is way more to him he is one of the characters in NV that has the richest story...
Where can i buy that book
BL00D Stone prob his store but not fully sure u can probly find it online for free
My mind was just blown because i swear from how Ulysses is describing you and the package it sounds so much like the enclave plus with this incident being set sometime in the past long before you came and woke up in docs place it would make a hell of a lot of sense."Markings of the old world" (The enclave was a prewar faction that had access to all of the government and included the president) "A voice spoke from the machine" (This could easily be a reference to President Eden who had compleat knowledge of everything america had and did and in fact was a Commuter AI. (Whats more given the tensions at the time and the area they more than likely sent a enclave agent there rather than a eye bot since a eye bot would either be detained,destroyed or worse not even make it.) ) its more than likely the enclave didn't want anyone but themselves to take control of the area so they sent you in to destroy it and the president enacted a launch command to all missals or a detonation command (Witch does actually exist to prematurely detonate missals if needed such as in the case that a silo was hijacked) and then boom everything happened as it did and only enclave members with the old world symbol would survive (Witch would make sense as to why you survived if you where at the center as well) the eye bots relised you where a friendly a helped you out like they did Ulysses.
I do think there is a beauty in the literal divide between the two couriers, one is an actual disillusioned Legion lapdog while the other can be an ignorant NCR "hero" aka side quest hunter. Seeing that most players will help the NCR while also the independent New Vegas is the most chosen ending, it really brings the storyline full circle.
I love how by simply cutting out the aiming part of vats it looks really cinematic
I respect the way you make corrections and acknowledge feedback from your watchers, Oxhorn. It shows how much you engage with your community and your commitment to improving your content. Not a lot of people in your position would be so humble. I enjoy your content, and respect you as a creator. Thanks for all the hard work!
"... You can't let go."
No. We can't. We already learned this at The Sierra Madre. We *can't* Let Go. We *can't* Begin Again."
the tunnelers remind me of the dark one child from metro last light
Guard: Pats down character "You're clean, go ahead."
Character: "Thanks!" Waves with spinning saw blade sticking out of jacket cuff.
For a society almost destroyed by nukes they are pretty casual at leaving them around.
Also #babynukeslivematters guys! And have a nice day!
Lora Elstad yeah and that’s the sad part. They survived the Great War only to be wiped out by the same weapons that supposed to protect them and with that the knowledge of the good old U.S.A
Lol same here... the developers of the game should it take the radiation into consideration,and radioactive fallout which is the name of the game...
What I don't get is why all those nukes have their safeties disabled. Especially the ones that just detonated in their silos. Even the original nuclear bombs had them.
You had Megaton. With the settlement growing around an bloody big and live nuke. Very odd behaviour from the settlers.
So let me check I've got this straight:
The Courier has travelled all over the country and gained a reputation for themselves.
One day delivered a package to the Divide and this caused the missles in a nearby radius to destroy the tribes who lived there.
Ulysses, who had heard about the Courier, witnessed this and hates the Courier for it...
Am I understanding this right?
So maybe the device you brought to the divide was a nuclear football, the trigger for all nuclear missiles
Tyler Adams it was most likely a remote ware head detonation device as the nukes weren’t launched, they were detonated while they were still underground creating a huge fault: The Divide
It is called Incline elevator, look it up on Elevetaor wiki.
"Incline elevators, bane of players since 1998" ~Gabe, propably
Power Fist with a Saw in it?
LETS SNEAK IT IN A CASINO!
OH YEAH!!!!
Its my safety razor.
Fate, I just finished catching up on part 3 after work and then I go back and see this in my feed! Great timing!
Love everything you do ox don't worry about the haters there's a billion of us out here that love what you do don't worry about anybody that tells you otherwise keep up the good work brother and I will watch you to the end every day
Dewey Bussell who hates Oxhorn?
TrueToCaesar someone last night complimented him on his work and he said for every one person that thinks you're doing a good job that's 50 try to tear him down...
Oh that's sad. I think Oxhorn does an awesome job and I watch his vids every day.
Ulysses feels like an RPer who godmodes and never stops no matter how much you try to convince him he's being unfair >:(
you realize you didnt acidently launch that missle...it was set up by Ulysses and targeted by him so you would do it (if you followed him)
Making it all the worse that he then blames you for your "unintentional consequences". Utter bullshit as the nuke was the very real INTENTIONAL consequence of him leading to the Ashton Silo!
I was using a disc grinder to scrap pipes at work and when I stopped I heard our tech listening to this video in the back ground!
The elevator scene reminds me of a specific part of Half-Life, where the player rides a similar elevator and has to fend off Headcrabs jumping onto the platform from above. It's probably a reference to that.
Ulysses' Mom: "Ulysses, are you gonna join us for dinner? Its getting cold and you've been talking to your friend for a while now."
Ulysses: "Shut up mom! Ill be there in a second!!... Anyway, where was I? Oh yeah: Bear and Bull, the old world, cracks in the earth, The Divide..."
17:26 Tch. So is Ulyssess going somewhere with this, or is he just unaware that he's projecting his guilt over New Canaan onto the Courier?
“leaping across a break in the catwalk”
you say as you walk around it on the last little bit of catwalk left right there
I’m so happy I have notifications on for ox
I appreciate your ability to correct your mistakes and listen to your community. They were just small errors but you corrected them fully in the video, great job.
He quoted dead money. When he said he wants to begin again.
am I supposed to believe that that giant 40 pound industrial power fist with a saw blade attached to it can be considered a hold out weapon? "whats that on your arm there sir?" "oh just a cast I broke my wrist ummm gardening... a while back."
Hey Oxhorn, please, can you tell us about Psykers and also, more about Oswald the Outrageous, he isn't a psyker, but have an ability to teleport, which is simply impossible, if you're not a synth or haven't some kind of superpowers
He doesn't teleport - he uses an old stage magician's trick, with flash powder and concealed trap doors. That's where he got the name Oswald the Outrageous, after all - his magician act before the War.
happy that you were able to get it out on time Ox! Love it
i got here so early, it's like i can still feel ox's presence
You really do a fantastic job on these. You seem like a great man to get a beer with
At 8:54 right at the bottom of the Ashton silo where the ramp has fallen is another safe under the ramp. It just has random loot but figured I’d mention it.
Basically the Courier is just as much of a character before the game as he in the game.
litteraly like 11 years since the game came out still playing it and addicted I really don’t know why fallout 76 wasn’t just a remake of this game instead of well ....🤮🤮
He signed his own death warrant when I learned he was responsible for the white legs and learning he was Legion.
Our choice? For all that Ulysses uses cheap philosophy he seems to be ignoring the obvious, or to have overdosed on Sartre. As the Courier we're sort of in a meta kind of Chinese Box scenario. In comes the card with Chinese, we look it up in the book and output the response card. Why output the right response? Because we're competent at our job and not a fumbling idiot. We have personal pride, something I'm not sure Ulysses actually understands.
It is 7:19 P.M in England. I'm sitting down playing Fallout 4 and this pops up on my phone. Worth it.
20:46 here in the netherlands mate, cheerz
Been waiting for this one!
This video feels like 50 percent Ulysses contradictions 40 percent Ulysses riddles 10 present other stuff
Tunnelers are people too! For every 4th like, we'll save 1 tunneler. (From their suffering)
Gunold Dump *Whistles innocently as I sat upon a bunch of tunneler corpses.*
Hah
Gearing up for another play through. Just watching these after all this time. Just noticed that you don't use scrap to build repair kits with Ede's workbench. Can save a lot of caps if you repair and sell stuff to the commissary instead of using the commissary to repair gear. Jury rigging perk also helps.
I started fallout NV again just because of you
You began again
My hat is off to oxhorn im so happy to hear somebody listening to his viewers to explain things most people would not understand you are a scholar and a gentleman
Hey ox, did you know that outside the hopevill missile silo, behind the gas station, their is a chance to spawn a nuke cola quantum in the box? You diddnt mention it, so I thought I would.
I didn't get one so I used Nuka Chemist to make one and drink away the sadness
I like to think oxhorns character is a skilled gunslinger and the quick vats is just them quick drawing and nailing the tunnelers between the eyes.
Skipping school for this video
Unstable Games ha me too
I have the day off so I’m fine
Unstable Games same
And that is y you are not going to have a job
Gamer 101 it's just one day
If I have a life story, I would want Oxhorn and only Oxhorn to narrate it.
Cigarettes have good a Value to Weight ratio.
Every time I revisit this DLC I can’t help but being in awe with the depth of it, although I can’t shake away the feeling, that the Ulysses at some point of writing process underwent some changes, that turned him from a character of its own into more of a plot device. This way you actually have to fight the narrative delivered to get to the deeper meanings of the story. But the ethics of it, the questions it makes you ask yourself is absolutely stellar despite all that. Do you have to answer for the consequences of your inadvertent actions? Is killing cynical man’s sudden hope worse than killing the man himself? Is a nation really destined to be born, live and die to repeat the cycle with all the mistakes made along the way over and over again?
Thank you for these videos and an opportunity to experience this incredible story again!
Those tunnelers remind me of the lizard people from Dr. Who
Centaur Lord
The mars lizard people or the earth lizard people?
Ryan Busch I said lizard people, not ice warriors. Earth ones.
Idk why but I was upset to see you miss the big book of science in the destroyed silo 😭
Wow I love your vids oxhorn I’ve been watching since your first smokes and slacks
I love Ulysses, he's such an amazing and interesting character. I always try to keep him alive at the end of it all.
Great company while in bed with the flu! Thanks Ox!
U's voice is the best medicine to help anyone who is sick or having a hard time falling a sleep.
Ooooh you meant Oxhorn, yeah he is the best :-)
Aye that was me last week 😂
Brennan Hicks well, you didn't die so maybe I won't! 😂
Ah yes delivering packages for money to make money for your settlement but the package is bad without you knowing = your fault
Ulysses does not shut up he talked half of the video that’s why I hated this dlc so much
Koba Stalin I hated how his dialogue took a large portion of the video
seriously, for a guy who talks so much Ulysses doesn't really say a whole lot; most of his dialogue boils down to "all the problems of the wasteland are somehow your fault because reasons."
Yeah I never actually figured out what he was mad about too many metaphors
I finally got my mods to work for New Vegas, and I can now enjoy lonesome road like this! Thank you for making such unique content, brought together with a menacing voice.
Bi Bo Any recommendations for stability mods on pc for it?
Bethesda Haters: The sole survivor was a poor RPG character because s/he had to be a lawyer/soldier and we knew their backstory
Also Bethesda Haters: The courier was the best character in spite of having to be a courier, having definitely been to New Reno and having destroyed a civilisation backstory
Gavin Seery this is one additional dlc vs an entire game.
Xeferex nope it’s also New Vegas, a great game to be sure but also has its flaws. I just think there is a double standard among the Bethesda bashers. If Bethesda had forced you to follow a particular road in the main story they’d have been crucified. And they got legitimate criticism for the linear nature of Anchorage but Lonesome Road is very linear too
Yes, the backstory of "you went two places as a courier once", that's certainly equivalent to "you're straight, married, have a child, are a lawyer/veteran, care about your family, and have no agency over your own dialogue"
Ekkie Ekk went two places once? Err no, nuked an entire nation but have no recollection of it, although you can recall seeing a lounge singer in Reno.... That is most definitely the epitome of forcing a backstory onto your character
Gavin Seery nuked an entire nation AKA dropped a package off once and left. Wow, what an in depth backstory thst completely ruins everything.
They sure made their missiles sturdy. Missile launches after 200+ years with no maintenance being performed on it or the launch facilities. Yeah, game logic.
David Sullivan There are maintenance eyebots in the silos.
Details, details. :-D I'm just going off real world as the entire (maybe parts as I never looked inside the transport trailer.) missile is removed from the silo at times and moved to a maintenance facility. Seen them being transported a few times in my Air Force days. Although, I worked bombers.
Yeah, but the real-world USAF doesn't have maintenance bots. Yet.
I loved this series. Made my day when you uploaded this when I was at school. Thanks mate.
I am still a small step ahead of you