The reason why the sword doesn't have madness build up is because it isnt Midra, Lord Of Frenzied Flame's weapon, its his executioners. (Edit: did some lore searching and it's actually what kept him from turning into the lord of frenzied flame kinda like a seal unless I misunderstood)
I’m glad somebody else saw the light how cool and powerful this torch was. As a frenzy flame enjoyer, I equipped it immediately just for the style points and then was taken back by how good it actually was
@@VonSchnitz shit I hope I get to try it soon. I took my arcane build so far and I dk I wish I had more stuff. It’s like they just only added dex and faith stuff lol
I definitely see this getting tweaked... they should just swap the effectives of the torch and Midra's spell. Especially lore wise considering that Midra became a Lord of Frenzied Flame while whatever remnant is attached to Nanaya's Torch FAILED to be come one. It would also balance the insane speed at which it procs madness, with the torch there is little risk in using it, the spell leaves you vulnerable and without hyper armor. I feel like they're going to nerf the torch's madness build up into the ground though so enjoy it while we cuz madness never gets any love.
@@Scriffer they've already added a buff to shadow tree fragments for the negative reviewers so I don't see this preventing a change, 9/10 most of these broken new items in the DLC is just applying pressure to the person but most people back off and heal themselves or try to keep a gap and get punished
You gotta have your arcane up if you want to proc madness faster with your spells this is like 2 year old information weapons have set madness build up that’s why his spell didn’t proc anything but the torch did More arcane=more status More faith=more damage
I feel like like the torch may be bug because is insane that proc madness in like one hit of the AoW Also, try the combo spread xbow with sleep bolt into the thiollier’s hidden needle AoW, it make explode enemies that are sleeping When you proc the sleep switch the xbow to a empty hand so you able to use the AoW, if not you will shoot again the xbow instead of the AoW
that sleep build is def on my radar, need to try that out! The torch is a little RNG with how fast it procs because the fire flies at random. Sometimes I get an insta proc and sometimes it just doesn't hit
I genuinely love the greatsword of damnation, might be my new favorite weapon. From my poor and likely inaccurate testing, the Dagger Talisman and Blade of Mercy work with it, so the grab seems to count as a crit. All the standard damage buffs work too ofc, but hopping on a phantom and doing more damage as a reward is already beautiful enough. Also, I'm stealing that fashion. It looks sick
tested dagger talisman in invasions tonight, it definitely works! Golden Crux can basically one shot people with mid vigor, kills anyone after landing an R1
yeah it is, it doesn't make sense. Midra's spell should be the ultimate madness spell, but instead a measly little torch is so much better at proccing madness
@VonSchnitz yeah Midras spell should've been the homing ball or his rapid flame spit, instead we get a worse but flasher unedurable frenzy, the sword is pretty decent though
just tried pairing the damnation sword and nanayas torch and they go so well together, especially at max level since optimizing stats while having enough int for the torch doesnt matter at max level bracket, still does 80% HP of all players i grab and the madness procs within like 1-2 seconds if i get lucky on the rng with the torch. Probably my new fav build now, nice job finding a pvp build that ACTUALLY feels great to use lol!!! great vid
add in the madness perfume bottle with rolling sparks ash and it does insane madness build up it would work so good with this build hot swapped from the torch
Yes! I tried that on the build after making this. Will release a perfected build vid in the near future. I've also been trying out the fire spark perfume on my dex build
I have an idea to counter this madness, start fight using clarifying horn charm+2 if madness about to proc swap to ailment talisman and then swap again to clarifying horn charm+2 so you dont get madness a second time. The grab and hyper armor of golden crux is generous, respect it and you should be good.
Getting the torch is very easy. Getting to Midra's Manse is the annoying part, and the worst part is getting the madness talisman which you can only get from killing a specific Winter Lantern (Aging Untouchable in this game) outside the church, and you can only do that by parrying it first. Good luck broski.
coming back around to this build, making a 166 that might go to 200. Thanks for all the information. This is one of my favorite swords. I live the brain drill move.
Dude, I haven't done a Flame of Frenzy playthrough of the game, but with this build and that AWESOME ELDEN BLING I'm just itching to make the character. Your content is amazing! I got into elden ring pvp specifically to have fun trying out all kinds of stuff, and your builds are just so solid
For the fists, I'm running a dex/faith 50/50 rl 150 build and it does a modest 425 damage before madness procs, I've had a lot of good luck with landing the spear hand strike and I've found out you get a guaranteed two heavy attacks from madness if you're close enough. If you're REALLY close, you can full charge the first heavy and follow up with another uncharged heavy. I usually reserve the charged heavies for when I've raised their madness with the torch and finished it with the fists.
Feels like it, it's not optimal by any means but I like it when I can still get whooped lol. Madding hand feels fair enough to me since it's such a short range weapon, torch I use in ganks
The proc rate on this torch is OP I remember when Elden ring was out madness spells in general got nerfed on how much madness they gave. Pretty sure this one’s gunna get it too
I noticed that! I was also using the +2 focus charm for a bit to give me a massive focus bar, but decided to just go for more damage because the torch doesn't inflict as much self madness like the incants do
Hey guys! Let me know in the comments if you have any ideas to make this build every stronger. Trying to find the best possible punish after landing a madness from Nanaya's Torch.
@@dw7080 unfortunately no, that's the exact reason I first tried this setup - thought it would guarantee the grab. If you land the golden Crux L2 after madness it does not do the grab, it just does some damage and knocks them back just like landing any other attack. It's better to just R2 since it does similar damage without as long of a cast or end lag. Golden Crux is still excellent to have around vs aggro opponents or those that want to rely on their hyper armor to trade
This but with a colossal like the ancient ore GS is a much better setup in my experience. If they try to rush you down you just trade with the colossal and win the trade and when the madness procs from far away, you use the AOW to rush to them.
Is the madness window long enough for a charged scythe -> Loretta true combo? Maybe a Giants hunt instead. Hm or black flame tornado on night glaive. Ooo or maybe just spinning weapon on carian regal. Just some thoughts
Hey I was done watching this video and I thought I'd try out the sword of damnation I stumbled up across someone doing your armor and weapons setup in this video I don't know if it was you or not but that's a funny coincidence
Considering the sword of damnation is a str weapon. This build might even be more nasty if you just went str with a fth tax to use some of the spells/torch.
kinda funny they don't realized using the torch is actually when you are the most vulnerable, they could had just hit you but instead they run and get procced instead, The flame projectiles themselves doesn't even do that much
Any updates on the build!? Super sweet looking bro! Thank you.. I want something strong for pve and for the threat of pvp when im playing with my buddy thats new 😅
have you tried the spread crossbow with sleep bolts? that could be an insane combo with any madness weapons, but maybe particularly the hand or perfume
someone else told me that madness and sleep share a proc, so you can't actually chain one into the other. however, they may still work well on the same build just for the sake of proccing one or the other
The hitbox, and tracking on the swords ash of war need adjusting. It looks like it will miss, but then teleports the target under the sword to get hit and spiked. Plus it jumps in the air. Almost guaranteed to land, and no way to punish. Super stronk.
quite well, it would basically cancel the second madness proc. But in this case, you would just start playing normally with the greatsword or go for the grab attack to finish the fight
I wish the Greatsword of Damnation was either a light Greatsword or the same moveset as the guardian sword spear. The only things special about it is madness buildup and an extremely underwhelming unique ash of war.
@@VonSchnitz fair enough, I know you have a pvp focused perspective and I very rarely engage in fromsoft’s multiplayer, ig I was just hoping for something more flashy.
The sword doesn't proc madness, and the moveset is considered the best a greatsword can get with the pokes. Any GS with those pokes is instantly S tier.
I tried this recently. They added the new feature that prevents you from getting slept and madness for a few seconds after it procs. So getting just a sleep proc or getting just a madness proc will prevent both status effects from building up for a few seconds.
Nice video! :) Do you know if the madness build up on the torch scales with arcane? Also, I was thinking about increasing the grab aow damage of the sword with some crit-related talismans. Any ideas?
No the madness buildup on the torch doesn’t scale with arcane, only way madness can scale with arc is on things like a blood/poison/occult fingerprint shield or with dragon communion seal + frenzy incants
@@dots1761 Thanks for the answer :) I also read some comments claiming that dagger & blade of mercy talismans, both of which increase the damage output on (dagger) or after (blade of mercy) critical hits, actually enhance the aow grab damage. You might want to try and test them too!
@@kingtree5137 frenzy seal is the worst seal in the game, use godslayer seal for 40-69 faith and erdtree seal for anything above that, if you wanna go int/fth use the golden order seal because it gets good scaling
it would! However, it doesn't work like that. If you go for the L2 after the madness procs, it does not connect, it just does some damage and knocks them away. Much better to just hit with an R2 and not be stuck in an endlag animation so you can start channeling madness again
a little bit, I'd recommend using the dagger talisman to boost the damage of the sword of damnation grab and maybe going strength focused instead of faith for more melee damage. The faith was mostly to try the madness incants, but I'm not a fan of them. The Torch of Nanaya carries in the madness department and you only need minimum faith/int investment to do that.
Yeah the sound was a little off on this vid for sure, I usually create vids from console but made this one from PC for the first time in a while. Generally sound quality is better 👍
It's a pretty nutty grab hitbox rn, I wonder if it will be nerfed. You have to just sprint & roll/jump away. If you try to roll to the side, you're getting grabbed
good question. You don't have a long window before they can roll so the best you can do is as jump R2 or an uncharged standing R2. If you try to fully charge an R2, they will move out in time. There may be a more optimized weapon for this than the Greatsword of Damnation, but I feel like it fits thematically with Nanaya's torch
@@xorce1009 that's a really good point! might have to try that lol. Only problem is the immense endurance required to hold two colossals - might not be able to do that easily at 150 without using two equip load talismans and cutting into other stats
I always seem to have difficulty getting into arena, i see ya getting in seemingly instantly. Playing on PlayStation am i doing something wrong? I love trying builds like this but it feels like it takes 23 minutes to get into a match 😢
@@VonSchnitz yeah, i know, i want to kill bayle with this weapon, but i think weapons that gives the bleed or freeze effect is way better, you have recomendations for me?
for some reason my 1 handed attacks with the greatsword do so little dmg when trying this build? any idea why> outside of the DLC area my R1 attack is rated at 140
@@izzycollins2695 648 with this build. If you invest more in strength than Faith, you can get it up past 700, but the ash of war and your madness spells will be weakened as a result. you can really go either way
So the torch is not really useful for PvE. However, the greatsword of Damnation is an excellent weapon for PvP and PvE. I'm running 60 faith on this version (along with the minimum stat reqs for the weapon and torch) so you can basically swap to any incants you want for PvE. It's pretty good. You could also just do 60 str instead of the faith and rely solely on higher sword damage
This torch is broken so is swift slash, smithscript shield, and spread crossbow with sleep bolts they shouldn't even be allowed in pvp. Idk how L2 spam is fun to some people
@@astolfoakattos6361 it's ok simply because of madness build up. It feels overshadowed in that regard by Nanaya's torch. And as far as fist weapons go, Pata is the MVP.
@@VonSchnitz I wonder if you get that cast speed talisman that they added that gives max cast speed for negative dmg negation if you could. Either way, build is super cool, the greatsword is fun to use :D
Did you even watch the video? The build is in the video....at the beginning. It's even time-stamped for you. Madness is not particularly good in PvE since you cannot inflict madness on most enemies.
@@VonSchnitz I obviously meant a more detailed one since you're just. rushinh through the gear without really explaining, but yeah i guess the build is there, thanx for the answer
@@noroi-7ds chest is from final boss. The death knight set is found in a catacomb. I forget which one, is use the wiki and just search death knight armor set
The reason why the sword doesn't have madness build up is because it isnt Midra, Lord Of Frenzied Flame's weapon, its his executioners.
(Edit: did some lore searching and it's actually what kept him from turning into the lord of frenzied flame kinda like a seal unless I misunderstood)
You would think that it being inside of his body so long with the frenzy flame would corrupt it enough to spread it too tho
@@warbeastprime1287 He wasn't frenzied the entire time though
Makes perfect lore sense to me 👍
yeah but why no bleed though?🤔 look at it then at Barbed Staff-Spear made of same stuff....
@@Amneezhuh probably because it's strong AF as is
man i just wish madness worked against pve enemies like in convergence
build still really cool though
it works on some enemies, mostly the humanoid NPC type enemies but yeah. Would be cool if you could madness bosses
Man this torch is absolute MADNESS!!! 😵💫
it's bonkers af, never expected a torch of all things to be this strong
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MAY CHAOS. TAKE. THE WORLD!
MAY CHAOS! TAKE! THE WOOOORRLD!!
@@VonSchnitz *LAUGHS MADLY IN PYROMANIA!* Burn-burn in flame-flame!
@@opusmagnus26laughs in Nihil! NIHIL!!! NIHIIIIIIILLLLL!!!1!11!!!!
@@marcerling4459 BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!
Holy madness. That’s procs insanely fast
yeah dude, too fast. imagine getting lit up by a torch and going mad 🤣
I’m glad somebody else saw the light how cool and powerful this torch was. As a frenzy flame enjoyer, I equipped it immediately just for the style points and then was taken back by how good it actually was
Yeah I tried it immediately as well and it impressed me right away. It's such a cool item
Have you encountered anyone spamming swift slash yet? I’m afraid when more people find it PVP is going to turn into s shitshow.
Yes, it's OP rn . It'll be nerfed soon
It's already a shit show😂 it's busted and deserves the nerf gun.
@@VonSchnitzjust like your torch . I’d say torch is arguably better
@@Buddyguy1988 torch is very strong, I don't think it's better than swift slash. Also I wouldn't say it's "mine", just one of many things I've tried
@@VonSchnitz shit I hope I get to try it soon. I took my arcane build so far and I dk I wish I had more stuff. It’s like they just only added dex and faith stuff lol
Bro that fucking armor is 🔥🔥🔥
Bro IS the elden drip
Love this chest plate and helmet, so fire bro!
He does have sick armour but my favourite is the fire knight set, like clean rot knights but even more fancy.
@@VonSchnitzwhat pieces of armour are they?
@@mohamedayaan1068it’s radahn young lion armor for the chest piece and death knight helm for the head
I love Great Sword of Damnnation and Golden Crux. It is like pure dopamine hitting my receotors.
I love this sword so much! so satisfying to land that grab, bring me my dopamine!!
I definitely see this getting tweaked... they should just swap the effectives of the torch and Midra's spell. Especially lore wise considering that Midra became a Lord of Frenzied Flame while whatever remnant is attached to Nanaya's Torch FAILED to be come one. It would also balance the insane speed at which it procs madness, with the torch there is little risk in using it, the spell leaves you vulnerable and without hyper armor.
I feel like they're going to nerf the torch's madness build up into the ground though so enjoy it while we cuz madness never gets any love.
Idk I tried using it and got rushed down every time I touched the button. Seems to not work well at all if your opponent closes the gap.
@@Scriffer they've already added a buff to shadow tree fragments for the negative reviewers so I don't see this preventing a change, 9/10 most of these broken new items in the DLC is just applying pressure to the person but most people back off and heal themselves or try to keep a gap and get punished
You gotta have your arcane up if you want to proc madness faster with your spells this is like 2 year old information weapons have set madness build up that’s why his spell didn’t proc anything but the torch did
More arcane=more status
More faith=more damage
I feel like like the torch may be bug because is insane that proc madness in like one hit of the AoW
Also, try the combo spread xbow with sleep bolt into the thiollier’s hidden needle AoW, it make explode enemies that are sleeping
When you proc the sleep switch the xbow to a empty hand so you able to use the AoW, if not you will shoot again the xbow instead of the AoW
that sleep build is def on my radar, need to try that out!
The torch is a little RNG with how fast it procs because the fire flies at random. Sometimes I get an insta proc and sometimes it just doesn't hit
It's definitely bugged it procs even when it doesn't hit if your anywhere in radius of aoe
I genuinely love the greatsword of damnation, might be my new favorite weapon. From my poor and likely inaccurate testing, the Dagger Talisman and Blade of Mercy work with it, so the grab seems to count as a crit. All the standard damage buffs work too ofc, but hopping on a phantom and doing more damage as a reward is already beautiful enough.
Also, I'm stealing that fashion. It looks sick
tested dagger talisman in invasions tonight, it definitely works! Golden Crux can basically one shot people with mid vigor, kills anyone after landing an R1
The torch is basically a better version of midras spell, with better fp consumption and less self-madness build up
yeah it is, it doesn't make sense. Midra's spell should be the ultimate madness spell, but instead a measly little torch is so much better at proccing madness
@VonSchnitz yeah Midras spell should've been the homing ball or his rapid flame spit, instead we get a worse but flasher unedurable frenzy, the sword is pretty decent though
just tried pairing the damnation sword and nanayas torch and they go so well together, especially at max level since optimizing stats while having enough int for the torch doesnt matter at max level bracket, still does 80% HP of all players i grab and the madness procs within like 1-2 seconds if i get lucky on the rng with the torch. Probably my new fav build now, nice job finding a pvp build that ACTUALLY feels great to use lol!!! great vid
add in the madness perfume bottle with rolling sparks ash and it does insane madness build up it would work so good with this build hot swapped from the torch
I tried it a bit, it's nice for additional zoning or even the threat of the one shot from rolling sparks 👍 will def include in a future build update
Did you see that there are perfume bottles with madness buildup as well.
Yes! I tried that on the build after making this. Will release a perfected build vid in the near future. I've also been trying out the fire spark perfume on my dex build
I have an idea to counter this madness, start fight using clarifying horn charm+2 if madness about to proc swap to ailment talisman and then swap again to clarifying horn charm+2 so you dont get madness a second time. The grab and hyper armor of golden crux is generous, respect it and you should be good.
Yeah spot on, that's pretty much the exact counter. Would force me to just 2H the GS and play it like a claymore with its poke attacks
I love the aesthetic of this so much. Looking great. I have to find that torch XD
Getting the torch is very easy. Getting to Midra's Manse is the annoying part, and the worst part is getting the madness talisman which you can only get from killing a specific Winter Lantern (Aging Untouchable in this game) outside the church, and you can only do that by parrying it first. Good luck broski.
love the aesthetic as well, fully embracing the madness
@@keith3946 oh I'll get there. I currently have no idea where to go or what to do to progress but I have a few bosses to beat so maybe
coming back around to this build, making a 166 that might go to 200. Thanks for all the information. This is one of my favorite swords. I live the brain drill move.
Dude, I haven't done a Flame of Frenzy playthrough of the game, but with this build and that AWESOME ELDEN BLING I'm just itching to make the character. Your content is amazing! I got into elden ring pvp specifically to have fun trying out all kinds of stuff, and your builds are just so solid
@@kaloyaxeus I love trying out flavorful builds and figuring out how to get them to work well in PvP! Highly recommend this one
@@VonSchnitz gonna give it a shot! just wondering what boots are those?
@@kaloyaxeus death knight!
For the fists, I'm running a dex/faith 50/50 rl 150 build and it does a modest 425 damage before madness procs, I've had a lot of good luck with landing the spear hand strike and I've found out you get a guaranteed two heavy attacks from madness if you're close enough. If you're REALLY close, you can full charge the first heavy and follow up with another uncharged heavy. I usually reserve the charged heavies for when I've raised their madness with the torch and finished it with the fists.
sounds like you figured out an excellent strategy to make the maddening hand work!
Feels like it, it's not optimal by any means but I like it when I can still get whooped lol.
Madding hand feels fair enough to me since it's such a short range weapon, torch I use in ganks
Very creative combo u got there man, that was really good
thanks bro! had to try out the funny spine torch when I got it 😂
The proc rate on this torch is OP I remember when Elden ring was out madness spells in general got nerfed on how much madness they gave. Pretty sure this one’s gunna get it too
@@punkrockdavid I'd say it's likely
I also recommend the version lv 175 with the exact same stats but put the extra levels in arcane for faster madness build up
FYI: the dryleaf set has incredibly high focus, meaning more frenzied flame :D
I noticed that! I was also using the +2 focus charm for a bit to give me a massive focus bar, but decided to just go for more damage because the torch doesn't inflict as much self madness like the incants do
the mid air impales from that sword are fun
So satisfying!
Idk if i should pick vyke’s spear or sword of damnation for this build. Both are fun. But new weapon looks so satisfying
The new greatsword of Damnation is excellent and fun AF, but vyke's is a madness classic. Either would be good!
Hey guys!
Let me know in the comments if you have any ideas to make this build every stronger. Trying to find the best possible punish after landing a madness from Nanaya's Torch.
Does torch > madness enemy > golden crux with the weapon work?
@@dw7080 unfortunately no, that's the exact reason I first tried this setup - thought it would guarantee the grab. If you land the golden Crux L2 after madness it does not do the grab, it just does some damage and knocks them back just like landing any other attack. It's better to just R2 since it does similar damage without as long of a cast or end lag. Golden Crux is still excellent to have around vs aggro opponents or those that want to rely on their hyper armor to trade
@@VonSchnitz Aw,well that's fair
The sword is OP,
Yesterday night i killed 40+ people in 2 hours with it ^^
Im glad that somebody made a frenzy build with this sword, gg to you ^^
It’s not OP people are just bad at PvP. Especially if you were invading. They just trade into it and get grabbed. But it’s super easy to punish
Awesome 👍 tried this build today and aprox 85-90% wins on Arena...ppl are not ready for madness like this😊
@@undeadhamster1073 sweet! Glad it's working for you! I've been itching to revisit this build, the torch of Nanaya is so sick
Bro You Become Lord Of Frenzied Flame lmaoo
This but with a colossal like the ancient ore GS is a much better setup in my experience. If they try to rush you down you just trade with the colossal and win the trade and when the madness procs from far away, you use the AOW to rush to them.
@@PwnLinked that does sound very strong
Is the madness window long enough for a charged scythe -> Loretta true combo? Maybe a Giants hunt instead. Hm or black flame tornado on night glaive. Ooo or maybe just spinning weapon on carian regal.
Just some thoughts
Hey I was done watching this video and I thought I'd try out the sword of damnation I stumbled up across someone doing your armor and weapons setup in this video I don't know if it was you or not but that's a funny coincidence
glad it's catching on haha
So op build .. can you tell me what armor is that ? Only the helmet recognized 😅
Considering the sword of damnation is a str weapon. This build might even be more nasty if you just went str with a fth tax to use some of the spells/torch.
kinda funny they don't realized using the torch is actually when you are the most vulnerable, they could had just hit you but instead they run and get procced instead, The flame projectiles themselves doesn't even do that much
@@Banana-cc5rx the fear sets in after the madness
Any updates on the build!? Super sweet looking bro! Thank you.. I want something strong for pve and for the threat of pvp when im playing with my buddy thats new 😅
have you tried the spread crossbow with sleep bolts? that could be an insane combo with any madness weapons, but maybe particularly the hand or perfume
someone else told me that madness and sleep share a proc, so you can't actually chain one into the other. however, they may still work well on the same build just for the sake of proccing one or the other
@@VonSchnitz oh thats unfortunate, but ye could still be funny
@@kormana I did figure out an amazing build with the sleep spread crossbow though, video on it soon!
Madness proc in 1 hit seems a bit too broken, though in reality it is not actually broken because when everything is broken then nothing is.
yeah in a vacuum, this is pretty broken. But relative to all the other nutty stuff going on rn, it's kinda even lol
@@VonSchnitz Yeah that's what I'm saying, stuff's crazy 'round these days
The hitbox, and tracking on the swords ash of war need adjusting. It looks like it will miss, but then teleports the target under the sword to get hit and spiked. Plus it jumps in the air. Almost guaranteed to land, and no way to punish. Super stronk.
I kinda wish midras sword could infuse with madness or do the weird umbrella unfurl stab as am r2 underated either way
It would be nice if it has that cool madness flame effect enchanted onto it after landing a grab or something
I wonder how well the ailment talisman counters this build
quite well, it would basically cancel the second madness proc. But in this case, you would just start playing normally with the greatsword or go for the grab attack to finish the fight
cool. Try and see if you can get ppl with the mad grab after they get torched.
I'm giving that a try with max cast speed to see if it works! I'll let you know what I learn
@@VonSchnitz pretty sure they are inmune to the grab while in the madness stun, same with lifesteal fist
Very cool build and good video! What pieces of armour are you using? (Looks sick)
@@Vulcan_15 chest plate from final boss, the rest is all the death knight set
@@VonSchnitzCheers 👍
If you go all str with rakashas armor and dagger talisman/2handed talisman you can one shot most people
Yeah the strength focused version of this build might be better, I initially went faith to test the madness spells like Midra's flame of frenzy.
I wish the Greatsword of Damnation was either a light Greatsword or the same moveset as the guardian sword spear. The only things special about it is madness buildup and an extremely underwhelming unique ash of war.
Nah it's fantastic, it's literally the claymore moveset. It has thrust R2 and crouch R1 thrust
This is definitely an L take.
@@VonSchnitz fair enough, I know you have a pvp focused perspective and I very rarely engage in fromsoft’s multiplayer, ig I was just hoping for something more flashy.
@@thesilliestgoose5990 I feel that, I love flashy movesets too. Messmer's spear has an awesome one! and so does the final boss's
The sword doesn't proc madness, and the moveset is considered the best a greatsword can get with the pokes. Any GS with those pokes is instantly S tier.
Can you chain torch into sleep bolts and back to torch. Would be funny.
Great idea! I will test this later
I tried this recently. They added the new feature that prevents you from getting slept and madness for a few seconds after it procs. So getting just a sleep proc or getting just a madness proc will prevent both status effects from building up for a few seconds.
@@Omenkiller_ER makes sense, they're strong enough as is. Thanks for letting us know 👍
Frenzy Chads stay winning
@@OmnipotentO all madness, all day 😎
Nice video! :) Do you know if the madness build up on the torch scales with arcane? Also, I was thinking about increasing the grab aow damage of the sword with some crit-related talismans. Any ideas?
No the madness buildup on the torch doesn’t scale with arcane, only way madness can scale with arc is on things like a blood/poison/occult fingerprint shield or with dragon communion seal + frenzy incants
@@dots1761 Thanks for the answer :) I also read some comments claiming that dagger & blade of mercy talismans, both of which increase the damage output on (dagger) or after (blade of mercy) critical hits, actually enhance the aow grab damage. You might want to try and test them too!
@@dots1761I messed up the quest for the frenzie seal, what should I use ?
@@kingtree5137 frenzy seal is the worst seal in the game, use godslayer seal for 40-69 faith and erdtree seal for anything above that, if you wanna go int/fth use the golden order seal because it gets good scaling
@@dots1761 so your saying don’t worry about getting the frenzied seal for my madness build ?
What's the sword you're using. you go through everything so quickly I don't get a chance to see
The base dmg of the torch seems to be very weak. Its the instant madness proc that makes it terrifying to enemy players
this will go crazy with pc latence
oh yeah, that latent status application is killer
that sword should have had madness buildup
would be cool if it had madness, but it's quite strong as is
what if you did torch into weapon art. That would be so op
it would! However, it doesn't work like that. If you go for the L2 after the madness procs, it does not connect, it just does some damage and knocks them away. Much better to just hit with an R2 and not be stuck in an endlag animation so you can start channeling madness again
I was wondering if you have to upgrade the weapon for the ash of war to proc more madness?
Huh I wrote off the torch as being a gimmick torch. But after seeing this I might pick it up and mess around and reinvest my stat points
Using new spells and new weapons, they said it couldn't be done!!!
did you fiddle around with this build at all since this vid?
a little bit, I'd recommend using the dagger talisman to boost the damage of the sword of damnation grab and maybe going strength focused instead of faith for more melee damage. The faith was mostly to try the madness incants, but I'm not a fan of them. The Torch of Nanaya carries in the madness department and you only need minimum faith/int investment to do that.
@@VonSchnitz thats great to know, ty for this info!!
Mine doesnt ever seem to proc madness on people. Idk what im doing wrong.
It's kinda random, sometimes it doesn't hit. They might be too far away?
How does this build go in the Base Game PvE on NG+ and above ?
(Considering making this build in my NG+5 after finishing the DLC )
what do you think about the frenzy perfume bottles?
dope vid, just wanted to say that imo the music in the duels is too loud
Yeah the sound was a little off on this vid for sure, I usually create vids from console but made this one from PC for the first time in a while. Generally sound quality is better 👍
Great build, have you had a chance to play against fightingcowboy yet?
That ash of war great sword cannot be i frame dodge. its impossible to roll through if your opponents have high latency.
It's a pretty nutty grab hitbox rn, I wonder if it will be nerfed. You have to just sprint & roll/jump away. If you try to roll to the side, you're getting grabbed
After they proc madness, can't you just hit them with a heavy move that deals 1500+ damage and end the fight right there?
good question. You don't have a long window before they can roll so the best you can do is as jump R2 or an uncharged standing R2. If you try to fully charge an R2, they will move out in time. There may be a more optimized weapon for this than the Greatsword of Damnation, but I feel like it fits thematically with Nanaya's torch
understandable. I was just thinking of how toxic it would be to swap weapon and jump attack with two colossal weapons.
@@xorce1009 that's a really good point! might have to try that lol. Only problem is the immense endurance required to hold two colossals - might not be able to do that easily at 150 without using two equip load talismans and cutting into other stats
might not even need to be two colossals. 2 bleed nagakiba might also be annoying.
Holy shit bro.
That torch needs to make the user's madness constantly go up, thing is wayyyy too strong
@@Barry_Macaque I think it got nerfed a bit in patch 1.13, but haven't tried it yet
Am gonna start using that torch before it get nerfed haha
@@Bloody__Crow use it while you can lol
I really wish midras frenzied flame was actually useful
I think it needs a bit of a buff. It's heavily over shadowed by the torch for quick madness procs and by unendurable frenzy for heavy combo damage
wish it didnt had the int requirement, it messes up my build big time
it's worth it, only 14 int for a busted madness proc
Can't wait til all the trash gets nerfed, so much broken shit. The Aow on this sword grabs through s...
I use madness in my build. However i think this is a bit overtuned lol.
It def is. Something is up with the math of this torch. Not enough self madness and too much madness on foes
Should've mixed it up with vyke spear too
How was Carian Knights name not censored?
I always seem to have difficulty getting into arena, i see ya getting in seemingly instantly. Playing on PlayStation am i doing something wrong? I love trying builds like this but it feels like it takes 23 minutes to get into a match 😢
@@theredbregade6213 what level are you? Queues are instant at lv 125-150
Do you use all the frenzy spells
you guys recomend to use this build in normal game? I want to try this greatsword but I don't like playing PvP, what do you guys think?
Madness doesn't really do anything in PvE
@@VonSchnitz yeah, i know, i want to kill bayle with this weapon, but i think weapons that gives the bleed or freeze effect is way better, you have recomendations for me?
What armor are u using
Bro where to get nanaya’s torch, i beat midra tho? Cant remmbr the name
Nanaya's Torch is in that mansion. There is a bookshelf you need to platform down onto
@@VonSchnitz so it’s in the bookshelf area? Thanks bro
How does it cause madness to build so quickly?
it might be a little overtuned
for some reason my 1 handed attacks with the greatsword do so little dmg when trying this build? any idea why> outside of the DLC area my R1 attack is rated at 140
sounds like you don't have the right stats or your weapon is not upgraded
@@VonSchnitz whats ur R1 attack rated at outside of the DLC area?
Not enough strength. Try two handing.
@@izzycollins2695 648 with this build. If you invest more in strength than Faith, you can get it up past 700, but the ash of war and your madness spells will be weakened as a result. you can really go either way
There is madness pot too u know ?
Can u write all iteams and armor u need i dont know all of them
you only need nanaya's torch & the aged one's exultation talisman for this madness build. Everything else is up to you.
Is Nanaya torch still good after the 1.13 patch?
@@onkarjit haven't tried it yet
@@VonSchnitz when you have some time could you please test it for us again. Curious if it’s still viable.
Fucking trolling. Beautiful way to bait out the command grab.
it really is, annoys people so much zoning them with this torch. really hits at their patience
@VonSchnitz I can tell, no way these people weren't malding. Need to fetch this torch fs, didn't even know it existed lol
Is it working on the new patch?1.12.3
@@simioswhite294 yes this hasn't been changed at all. Not the torch. Not the sword.
@@VonSchnitz it got nerfed in 1.13 correct?
whats the item next to nanayas torch when you showed it in the beginning ive never seen it before
@@thatdude8040 frenzy flame seal
@@VonSchnitz lol I didn't mean the seal my bad I meant in the equipment the little voodoo head looking thing
Does this build work on PVE?
After madness procs you get two guaranteed R1s
That's crazy, that's so much better than how I was playing with the R2's 😯
Bro what helmet is that!?
death knight helmet
@@VonSchnitz appreciate it!
Glorious
Whats the stats fkr this build and is it good pve?
So the torch is not really useful for PvE. However, the greatsword of Damnation is an excellent weapon for PvP and PvE. I'm running 60 faith on this version (along with the minimum stat reqs for the weapon and torch) so you can basically swap to any incants you want for PvE. It's pretty good. You could also just do 60 str instead of the faith and rely solely on higher sword damage
I NEED THAT TORCHHH
This torch is broken so is swift slash, smithscript shield, and spread crossbow with sleep bolts they shouldn't even be allowed in pvp. Idk how L2 spam is fun to some people
Why
Why on earth
Do people run when on low health in arena
*we have no heals what are you gonna do*
flask bottle perfum frenezy is cooll
it is! I really like the perfumers, they're such great zoning weapons
@@VonSchnitz yah Man is amazing, Nice build you god player, vyker spear is cool, im fron Brazil Sorry my english
@@VonSchnitz midding hand is god?
@@astolfoakattos6361 it's ok simply because of madness build up. It feels overshadowed in that regard by Nanaya's torch. And as far as fist weapons go, Pata is the MVP.
can you torch>madness grab incantation?
I tried this, but I was too slow. It might work if I go max cast speed
@@VonSchnitz I wonder if you get that cast speed talisman that they added that gives max cast speed for negative dmg negation if you could. Either way, build is super cool, the greatsword is fun to use :D
@@vicviper6 I'll try it with this talisman later tonight for science, would be worth it to avoid having to use azur's staff
you cant intantation-grab while someone is in the middle of a madness animation
@@KnightOfCarim2 just tested it for myself, you are correct. The grab just does a minor bit of damage and does not connect at all
is it good for PVE as well? can we have the build?
Did you even watch the video? The build is in the video....at the beginning. It's even time-stamped for you.
Madness is not particularly good in PvE since you cannot inflict madness on most enemies.
@@VonSchnitz I obviously meant a more detailed one since you're just. rushinh through the gear without really explaining, but yeah i guess the build is there, thanx for the answer
@@VonSchnitz By the way how doy ou get this armor?
@@noroi-7ds chest is from final boss. The death knight set is found in a catacomb. I forget which one, is use the wiki and just search death knight armor set
fashion game is on point
Whats the sword called
the Greatsword of Damnation