When a Baby's Survival Depends on Another's Death | Chicago Med | MD TV
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- Опубліковано 6 чер 2023
- Doctors Manning and Rhodes suspect that two separate cases involving sick babies may be connected.
From Chicago Med Season 2 Episode 2 'Win Loss' - Dr. Choi mentors a Navy corpsman, while two cases involving sick babies may have a connection.
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Whenever a medical drama has two babies in one episode, you know something horrible is going to happen.
Or when the scene is occurring inside a car. They don’t put money into the budget for a car scene unless the car gonna crash 😂
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Very true sadly 😢😢😢👶😭😢🥺😩😫😖☹️😕😟😔😞😓😥🤧😷
I'm saying this with no medical background at all, but asking parents prematurely if they are open to organ donation is in my opinion, the biggest smack in the face you can give.
I could only imagine being the parent of a kid and within the day there asking if your open to donating the organs of your few month old kid
I work in the medical field and i can say that that was accurate. They always ask at that time. Its heartbreaking and awful but all parents do say yes because they never want to see another family hurt like they are
It’s unfortunately true. Organs need to be harvested quick in order to preserve them. So the question is asked pretty fresh after death.
@amelonnamedkate1400 true. Which I hate emotionally cause like I said it's hard to cope with the death AND make that decision
7:01 The one time Natalie is rationally upset. If I were a doctor and another wanted my patient for spare parts, I'd have the doctor asking to do it themselves.
The Chicago Official channel has this story uploaded but cuts the part where Connor asked Natalie to mention organ donation, so people were ripping into her as per usual.
Knowing the for profit nature of the system behind the choices makes me question the idea of being labeled a Donor. Cant help but wonder if thats part of why my mother didnt make 50. But hey, be happy someone can see better now with parts of her eyes.. and what ever else T.H.E.Y. did with her other parts.
@@keensweepmy father in law recently had a double lung transplant and is now able to live without an oxygen tank following behind him. His lips turned blue just from walking to the porch. We had to use a wheelchair just to get him places on vacation. He was miserable. Now he can BREATHE again and doesn’t even need an oxygen mask. He would’ve died in less than a year otherwise.
@@keensweepeither she or her next of kin signed off on her being a donor, why are you acting like doctors murdered her and stole her organs.
If you were a doctor you’d only be asking if the patient were brain dead. That’s the only way to be a donor. You wouldn’t get offended at the question because this is not in any way how any of that works. If the baby weren’t completely brain dead they wouldn’t even ask about her organs.
the baby girl ended up recovering, she was exposed to a chemical that made her sick in the park, she was given an anti toxic and recovered
What happened to the other baby tho
@@BordInterns2009 I think he died, I can’t remember much about this episode but I think he passed. Idk for sure tho
the question is, why ruin it for people who haven't seen it?
@@JprTM exactly these people are so annoying
@@JprTMI came to the comments looking for what happened. This was helpful, not harmful.
I hate it when bad things happen to kids. They didn't do anything to deserve something like that.
I would NEVER want to be in any of these situations as a Parent!! 😬🥺
1. They could have a general procédure asking all patient's parents for organ donation consent as a regular intake procedure. Medical record would be held at hospital, or better, in national state register, and can be used in future.
2. Seems highly unlikely and dangerous to give heart from a sick infant to another baby without having a single clue of a diagnosis, no?
This is the only hospital where the doctors not only work in the PICU, ITU, ER as well as all the other wards. Now I know specialist work all over the hospital but here they seem to work primarily in ER but everywhere else when they feel like!?
That was so difficult for Nat. But because she's also a mother she knew what is felt like holding a child's hand. 😢 She went through with it and she bravely asked the other family if they wanna donate Alicia's organs.
My guy…it’s just a tv show…
If i were her id agree to testing the baby's blood but id have him deliver the news and make the case himself
Alicia ended up being okay: she got botulism while playing in the park with her brothers.
Pediatric organ donation is such a sensitive topic but this show is brave to bring it up. It’s an unfortunate circumstance and painful to
Imagine losing your baby before they’ve had a chance to live their life. But if their organs can save the life of another-how do you ask a grieving parent if their child’s organs can be harvested? It’s difficult enough with an adult, for a baby it’s just….terrible. Im an organ donor and pregnant with my first, it’s a difficult to think what would happen if I was in this case even as an organ donor
i don't know, maybe it's just because i've seen so many stories of the lives who've been saved by organ donation but if i was losing my child, i would look at organ donation as a way for part of them to continue living on. i would not want their death to be in vain or to result in another child dying alongside them. i hope when i die the doctors harvest everything they can from my body and if i'm ever so unfortunate as to have to bury my children, i'll ensure the same goes for them.
@@dietotaku only if they want to without you influencing them on it.
@@dietotakuthere is a movie based on a college student that went into a coma and became an organ donor - and the recipient of his lungs built "Gabriel's House of care " in Jacksonville FL in honor of his donor.
It’s a question that should be talked about during the many prenatal appointments. Just for parents to have the thought - THEIR child may have an instant soon after birth where they are the ones that need the donation. I’m not sure where but there is a state? Country? Where the exception is to NOT donate. And they have to sign a card etc.
Also brain death is not real death, it was made up solely for live organ harvesting without full general anesthesia! :)
This would terrify any Parent..
Rhodes was way out of line with his request!
Oh my word. I am laying in bed with my baby during a contact nap, and this left me in tears 😢 I can't imagine...
I love how understanding manning is with the mother here, wish she was just as understanding to the mother with the baby who had a intercranal hemorrhage from the very beginning 🥺 she did come around after but she should have withheld judgement from beginning as being a mother herself to an infant
The iconic kid sentence: Mooooooooooomeeeey ammmmm thurrrrssttttiiii
Honestly, I would have told Rhodes if he was so desperate to hurt those parents to be the monster himself. Coward.
Fr, what a jerk to put that on her and make her look apathetic.
His not a jerk he was just askong for blood test to be done, both babies looked like they were going to die, it is always worse when it is babies, no parent wants too loose their baby. But if results showed she was going to die ans had no chance then I am sure any parent wouldn't want another parent loosing their baby as well.
Yeah I can agree with that
Me too
I had a child born with hypoplastic left heart in 1990. She lived 3 days. She died in my arms……
I am so sorry for your loss.
Oh no. I am so very, very sorry.
I am so sorry for your lost, my condolences
Robin, you are in my thoughts❤
So sorry
I'm a mom too and my son is 4. I wouldn't know what to do if I ever have to send my son to the hospital.
I hear you. I have a 20 month old and I just couldn't imagine. We would be on autopilot for sure.
if only the US health care system was actually like this.. they are so quick to order tests on this show but when i tore my meniscus, it took 2 months before they would even do an mri💀💀couldn’t walk first time I went in and dr had the audacity to tell me to “just take some aleve”
US healthcare is like this, if you're suffering from a life-threatening condition, which a torn meniscus is not. I also had a torn meniscus and I also had to wait a few months. But, when my son was sick, he was diagnosed with AML within hours of him being admitted to the hospital, and they ran over 30 tests on him in the 1st 48 hours. He began treatment within 24 hours of being diagnosed. I know a torn meniscus can be irritating and painful, but this episode dealt with things far more serious.
If you are in te ICU in a critical condition like these babies were, it 100% is like this. I've recently had to experience this. I have a heart baby who is 8 months old and who was critically ill at birth. The speed of the tests and meds was amazing. Teams of doctors and nurses in and right outside of my son's room discussing every detail of his care and getting critical scans and watching the live results and changing his care while we all were in the room. You don't want to ever be that sick, trust me. But it's there for those who need it.
Demetria McKinney is a great actress ❤❤❤❤
Yes she is
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A baby with no muscle and tendon reflexes means the heart is not usable since it is just a complex muscle. Trying to find a non-trauma induced infant death makes them stupid.
It’s a tv show.
The heart muscle isn’t connected to the nervous system iirc. It can beat on its own with oxygen and nutrients (glucose, water, etc). It really is an amazing muscle.
@@molly.dog8brooke792completely false. The heart muscle is 💯 connected to the nervous system (like every other muscle in the body) through the vagus nerves.
@@louiscyphre2267”it’s a tv show”: meaning for I know everything and this never happens in real life
My god I hope is baby is alive.
Alicia is revealed to have botulism, a treatable infection, and we are never given an answer about Tim so come up with your own ending for that case.
So that's it??? That was the connection between the 2 babies??? That when one of them dies, the other one has a chance to live?!?!?😮😮😮
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at some point the dying baby’s parents kept looking at the poisoned baby’s room, because it turns out the baby girl’s heart is a direct match to the dying baby boy. The baby boy’s parents might be desperate to hope the other family’s baby girl passing to get the heart. So yeah it can go either scenario: one dies, one live.
No. The white baby is the one depending on the demise of the black baby. The black baby needs nothing of the white one.
@@lemonadelemon1960that's what the commenter said, they didn't need correction!
@@wtichery yes they did/do and you do too, apparently. And I wasn't correcting I was literally answering a question. What was asked was the connection between the two. And the way it's asked is actually how I answered. You, on the other hand, seem to not know how to read. If you'd read his and then mine you'd understand. But you didn't, apparently.
@@youniverse2017 No. They both can die. Heart surgery is not a joke.
First thought Spinal Muscular Atrophy
When I was born I also turned blue
The doctors have think fast to save a life
The baby boy went into V FIB they even the CODE BLUE went off
Yes. We saw that.
I have the same condition as the little baby boy ❤️
Anyone knows what episode and season is this
I just don't understand why dr. Manning was just jumping to conclusions automatically thinking that she was brain dead and running all these test
Because of how long she was deprived of oxygen for. It's something like 4 minutes in an adult. In a baby it's gotta be much less. The male doctor said it was 2 minutes and Manning said that the pupils were fixed and dilated. Just from watching various medical shows I know that that's a Very Bad Sign.
Unfortunately it’s a very real and possible conclusion. The human brain can only survive for a few minutes without oxygen, which is when the brain starts to die. When a newborn baby doesn’t have oxygen, it can take as little as two minutes for brain death. So it is very possible the baby could have had partial brain death, and completing a test like that is warranted to rule out the possibility
I need to know what happens next
Wow
This is why grieving mothers like this should be checked out by psych before they are discharged. And of course Dr Manning didnt help the situation in the episode when she gave them false hope and recesscitated him when he clearly wasnt meant to survive!
I would just test the blood 1st then ask the parents. They had a case like this on er where both parents met the blood type is AB rare
They can't test the blood without parental consent. That would be illegal.
1:42 Dr House be wishing that was his rn
What episode is this?
S2 EP2 it says in the description
My sister Daisy Randy away because she was scared because the baby was sick
I would neveret them do that to my baby
You know. you think that 10000000000% grams allowed to babies will make ded
What episode??
Season 2, Episode 2
I hate when I go and watch a new video and then the first comment gives the whole thing away LOL😂😂 but at the same time, I read the comment😅😅
I was appalled by this episode. I can't imagine one patient's doctor - a patient needing a transplant - discussing the medical condition of a potential donor. Were I the parents of the girl - the potential donor, I'd have alerted the hospital administration and the authorities to these doctors' request. I would also state at the outset, there will be no test and my daughter WILL NOT be a donor, to remove any and all motivation to "hurry things along". As a parent, my duty is to my daughter, and my daughter only. My concerns would be: 1) The conflict of interest. Who is Dr. Manning's patient: my daughter, or the boy across the hall? Will she do everything in her power to treat my child? How would I know? How could I be sure? I think I'd ask for another doctor. 2) The potential for collusion. I don't know these doctors. Are they married? Lovers? Financial partners? Again, I'd ask for another doctor for my daughter, and a legal "stay away" order for both doctors AND the parents of the boy across the hall. I'd also want security posted to protect my daughter. The temptations to speed things along are too great. 3) The possible pressure to not treat the potential donor so that an organ comes available. Donations are anonymous and independently coordinated (by Gift of Hope) for a reason - to ensure no malfeasance. Of course, it's just a TV program, and the writers need to be creative to provide riveting drama. But this episode departed from reality by a wide margin. Or at least, I hope so. Or we're entering the universe portrayed in Coma (1978).
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Is this real or is it an act if not why so abrupt.
Does it ever occur to these people that these patients might be *SUPERHEROS* and these types of "conditions" might actually be their bodies mutating and evolving and we just go flying in chopping and changing stuff? What did they say "plastic something" that could easily have been the next plastic man or something!?...😅
What was baby Alicia's diagnosis?
Botulism from the soil in the park. Dr Manning figure it out when she saw grass stains older boys clothes
My name is Alesha
These doctors behave like gangsters. It’s so disgusting.
Why are they cutting into a baby with a crowd present and no masks???
Its a tv show
It's a teaching moment...The doctor is helping with the interns' training. Probably he got the parents' permission before doing that. This is common in research/teaching hospitals.
Ooh Im early!
She doesn't give up on her patient but forces Dr.Halstead to give up on his... So selfish!
Lil baby is cute
Im happy i wont get children...
Brain death doesn't happen in two minutes.
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It's funny that the black baby is the one the white doctor looks to for spare parts.
Why does everything have to be about race? If their was no black people on the show you would flip and say that it’s racist?
Because the baby is prolly the only other baby dying in the hospital?
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Who the h3ll cares
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This is why I'm not an organ donor... if you're not the favorite, you signed your own death certificate.
That’s not how it works afaik. In most places at least, the doctors don’t even know if you’re an organ donor until they check after you die. Even if they do come across that information, their first priority is to save you- they don’t normally have time to choose who lives or dies. Become an organ donor, please. It could save someone’s life if you pass away.
My husband is alive today because of an organ donor & his mother that loved him enough to say save others.
My dad too, although his was a living donor. Organ donation is SO important.@@amystrohmeyer8670
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Hot take: it should be legal for doctors to run tests like this without parental/patient/family consent. If the sample they need has already been taken, and thus contact with the patient isn’t even required, there is no impact to the patient by running the test. It should be legal to find out whether they are a match BEFORE even bothering the parents about directed donation. That way if they aren’t a match, the conversation doesn’t need to happen. Of course if a new sample is required, even something as simple as a skin swab, consent should be obtained.
Disagree. Thats a breach of consent, especially if patient is an infant or minor. Running a blood match test insinuates that the doctors could further pressure the parents of the potential donor to donate when that is not their call to make. A parent should be asked first because no blood test match means they wont live in the gulty conscience. Imagine a doctor coming up to you while your baby is dying and saying, hey just letting you know we just ran a blood test wothout permission and your kid is a match. If you want to be a good citizen, give your kid up for another you dont know.
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Did the baby die
Yea the white baby was more important to them
Babies are overrated they’re exactly the same as animals.
Animals are bloody awesome.
@@FunctionalJunkie_ intelligence wise I mean
Well, you do know humans ARE animals. Right?
@@chewbacadrunk1 yes but what separates us from most animals is are quick ability to learn and cope with situations. Also babies lack the key characteristic what makes us human is quick learning skills.
@@Byle1990syou were a baby once….
idc about nobody else baby I'm not killing my baby to save no random baby y'all better find somebody else cause the minute you ask me I'm saying no and idgaf idc if that sounds selfish take it how you want
It means you don't care about your baby but keeping the baby as a trophy! So disturbing! 🙅♀️😡😤😡
If your baby has no brain activity, your kid is dead already.
@@karlamireles8501 no she's right.
@@myracarol4114 What do you mean she's right?! I'm not saying kill your baby but if the baby dies, don't you want to save another baby's life, also wouldn't you want this person to do the same for your kid?
@@karlamireles8501 read her original comment, she said idc about nobody else baby I'm not KILLING my baby to save no random baby.... And with that said. She is right, you wanted to say.... it means you don't care about your baby but keeping the baby as a trophy, so disturbing.... And my whole thing is how does she not care about her baby if she is not willing to let her child die so the babies organs can be harvested for some other baby, and no she wouldn't be keeping her child as a trophy she would be doing everything she could to keep her child alive, it's not disturbing that she doesn't want to let go of her baby, it's not disturbing that she doesn't want her baby cut open and used as spare parts. Its not disturbing that she would want her baby one piece if the baby were to pass.