they did, just in the wrong place. since the haemorrhage was nearly invisible on the images and wasn't visible on the body, the doctors at the hospital where she gave birth would have stated that the baby was healthy and normal at birth if the baby was declared healthy at birth and now had symptoms it's not unreasonable to assume the mother did something to the baby after birth Manning only realised her mistake when she saw a footnote about the accident in the extended recors she looks to have received later
I feel so bad for this mother. She seems like she had poor support before getting pregnant and was completely dropped afterwards. And despite all that she seems to be a good mom, makes sure her baby isn’t around when she smokes, stopped while pregnant which must’ve been so challenging. And then to be falsely suspected of harming your baby? No wonder she’s defensive. I hope she finds support so she can be there emotionally for her baby as well as she has physically taken care of her.
Literally. I am pregnant right now. I’ve quit smoking cigarettes but occasionally smoke some weed to help with my sleeping/eating habits as I have an untreated ED and can’t eat more than twice or once a day. My midwife and I have discussed it and I will be quitting fully in my third tri as by then hopefully my other symptoms are under control.
Even House didn't do this. He suspected abuse at certain times, when he had good reason, but he didn't report it until the case was figured out. Manning judging parents instantly is bad. House assumes they all lie, but not that they're terrible people abusing their child.
500% agree!! House often concludes that a majority of the root causes for a patient’s circumstances is due to stupidity. And he’s right nearly every time! But he is also reasonable and rational enough to be able to see that it’s not from a lack of care or love. In one episode, he could see that the vegan parents were loving and caring, they just had to be more educated, and even then it was made evident that they were taking all the right precautions anyways! So they didn’t actually harm their baby due to neglect based on their personal morals, and even if that was the case House could see that they would readily put their baby before their ideals.
@@jenniferbowie2773 gosh...i'm sure all of us are aware of that (i know i am). it's fun to take shows and movies seriously. and isn't that more or less the point? why would anyone watch them if their mentality is: this is all fake, that's not the character that is an actor, this is special affects, etc. why else would so much work be put in to making these things as believable as possible, while also putting all that effort into world building and developing the characters?
When kids come in with injuries like that, doctors and nurses do have to consider the possibility of abuse or neglect and call the police if they suspect it because they ARE mandated reporters. It’s their moral and legal duty to do so. Same with teachers. But you are right. They’re strictly supposed to report suspected abuse. Law enforcement and CPS and/or DCFS take it from there.
Manning was my least favorite character. As a mother dealing with kid cases, you would think that she'd be perfect for the case, but no, because she constantly questions and judges the parents without knowing the lives and history
I would honestly want to take my child out of that hospital too if somebody did that to me. That was a horrible horrible thing for that mother to go through and so irresponsible of the doctors.
Actually, it’s protocol. In the real world, too. Always better to shoot first and ask questions later - if they assume the caregiver is innocent from the get go, then they risk sending the baby home to die. It’s guilty until proven innocent.
@@bottle3124 I’m actually very aware of the protocol I was speaking more along the lines of the way the doctor treated the mother and made a ton of assumptions. Not the fact that they diagnosed her with shaken baby syndrome. She just didn’t do her due diligence to make sure that was the case.
@@bottle3124 are you dense? You’ve never heard of mandated reporters? The second a doctor even hears an allegation of abuse. They are legally obligated to report it, or they can face criminal charges himself, or lose their license.
@@alixnight5318 honestly given how much of a slam duck the lawsuit would be the lawyers would only ask for a portion of the payment the hospital would give or legal fees would be tacked on to the settlement agreement
When I was 18 months old I fell about 6 inches onto a carpet. This should have been no big deal, but the fall fractured my leg. It was a complete fracture, something very unusual in young children, and a fracture that would not be normal from a small fall. The ER doctors went straight for the child abuse route separated my parents and called the police even though there were no other signs of abuse. Fortunately one of the best orthopedic surgeons in the country happened to come into the ER to invite a friend to lunch. He took one look at me and thanks to a number of birthmarks he knew right away that my parents were telling the truth. In the end I would lose that leg, but it had nothing to do with anything my parents had done. Not even dropping me. My leg would have broken with any slight bump because something was wrong with the bone. Just because it's rare for a baby to have broken bones like mine, it doesn't mean it's child abuse.
exactly. there are so many myriad conditions that could be at play. they just uploaded a clip from this same show where a kid had some kind of extra vascular growths that caused him to spontaneously bleed with the slightest impact. they specifically said he was born with it and if any of them grew into his brain and he got bumped at all, he could bleed into his brain and die.
@@juliasmith4343 No. Love how you can diagnose something with such limited information, Doctor, or at least be very confident in your guess? Ever hear of Neurofibromatosis?
In real life, she wouldn't have gotten her baby back immediately. The child would have still gone into the system and she would have spent months, if not years, fighting to get her back.
Although this show is fake, this situation is common and from my personal experience being in the foster care system, the person fostering me and my half sister burnt me intentionally with a curling iron on my leg and starved me. Imo the foster care system runs so heavily on capitalism that it's just become legal child trafficking. That aside, abuse should be taken seriously when it's actual abuse and a child who is old enough to talk should be talked to in a child friendly manner before a conclusion on if there's abuse.
@@Bunny-bo2sr absolutely. This conclusion, devoid of any actual analysis of the child’s behaviors or testimony, and solely off of the presence of a convenient cluster of symptoms, is like diagnosing someone with advanced stage lung cancer based solely off a pain in the chest and a persistent cough. Its the WebMD approach to a diagnosis.
A zebra would have been what she found when she bothered to look at the record. She just assumed that the struggling, poor mom with little education was an abusive mother without looking for the rare (zebra) cause for the brain bleed. Fun fact, doctors rarely look indepth at your medical record. They might glance it but that's it. Doctors do this type of judging patients and their families all the time. When you go to a hospital, it's important for us all to remember, they're always sizing you up and what they come up with determines if you or your love one gets good care or not. You will have to go to war to get them to listen and to do tests as well as look at your record.
@@carolynm8421 patients 100% need to be ready to advocate for their own care, unfortunately. People assume its like House MD where a team of geniuses work tirelessly to determine what the problem is, but in reality, doctors are fallible, biased, and often overworked and exhausted, and as much as it shouldnt be so, those things often work together to create a situation where peoples needs are overlooked or under-cared for.
@@saiyedanigarmehdi4121 Why? She's so biased and opinionated... In every clip involving kids or pregnant women she is talking about her own experiences. And forces her own opinion onto others
@@saiyedanigarmehdi4121are you? Any time she has a patient who is a child she puts her own feelings above her JOB. Lucky this is a show and she’s not an actual dr or she’d be fired and sued by now
Typical of Manning to vindictively judge someone by their cover then go ahead and flip it to "I just did it because I can't imagine it, she's soooo strong!" They really should've just given this woman some sort of sociopath arc or something fr
I work in childcare and was abused, so naturally I am always on high alert. But you know what I do to prevent this exact situation? I get another person's opinion before making any kind of report. But to be fair, if you were presented with what is clearly SBS and the child only has one caregiver, this is not a bizarre conclusion for Manning to draw.
But the doctor should’ve looked at her records before she reported this. As Mather favt the lady she told to look up the records should’ve said something right then and there cause she found something
@@fidelianerina Like I said, in this case she drew a completely reasonable conclusion. As a mandated reporter, it's better to report and have the people who know what they're doing look at it rather than not reporting it when there's something going on. I'm just saying that in general, this is a hard line to toe and I feel like sometimes she does jump the gun.
It's a wonder that she didn't get fired sooner. Seriously, it's a good thing Goodwin was skeptical about it. Child abuse is bad, but even a cat acts with patience before lunging at its toy.
The only time I agreed with Manning's judgement was when an adult man that married a teenager was more worried about her getting pregnant then the health of his "Wife".
I'm a single mom too. I left my abusive ex when I was 5 months pregnant (Nov 2018) and ultimately decided to raise my son all on my own. My son is 4 now and a healthy little man. He's my world. While sometimes I feel like I'm not doing well at raising him, I know at least I'm trying my best and that he's clothed, fed and sheltered.
There’s a pattern: Dr. Manning: Makes emotional judgement call. Blows up in her face Dr Manning: I’m a terrible person Other doctors: (reassuringly) No, Babygirl, no. It was an honest mistake. Repeat.
Shouldn't she be fired after all these "I think it's abuse" allegations? Or is there something in the law that protects doctors making these allegations?
Put it this way, if you really think it could not be anything else, then why wouldnt you report? But obviously if you report wothout any basis thats ground for termination
Between this Manning character and the red-headed male doctor character... it's surprising to me how this TV hospital isn't constantly wrapped up in litigation.
Every mother needs support, however small in whatever way it's presented. The mom felt so helpless in many scenes of this clip. And to say it's unbelievable that some mothers out there still go through emotional abuse, despite doing all the best for their babies. Being a mother comes with its challenges, no mom wants to go through being denied access to their kids.
Being asked questions about your child's health when physicians are ruling out abuse isn't "emotional abuse." That's ridiculous. "Emotional abuse" applies to families and romantic partners using cruel words towards loved ones consistently over time.
I wish they could have taken this character flaw and made her grow from these experiences. Like if she had another episode where a mom or dad came in with a baby, it looked like abuses, other doctors though it was abuse, but she finally learned from those lessons and where able to prove otherwise. THAT would have been a good character arc, learning and abandoning overbearing and judgment, it would have made her so much better of a character
I love the part where Manning makes a judgement call, regrets her actions, and THEN does the important research that could've avoided the problem in the first place.
I'm a medicine student. Our doctors always tell us that abuse is THE LAST thing we can think about. First we have to investigate A LOT and if we are REALLY SURE that is abuse, we report. But that's it. We are not detectives, we don't have to figure out who did it. It's not our business
This kind of stuff is so common. I read about a baby taken away from his parents because they accused them of starving him. He had the same I’ll was I have, gastroparesis, which means that your stomach muscles are paralyzed. Eating can be agonizing, you spend most of the time feeling like you are going to throw up or about to throw up. Your stomach can get so distended you look pregnant and it’s miserable. The family’s doc even diagnosed the child, but the state’s contracted doc said that it was wrong. To make it worse the mom was alone because her husband was deployed. It was such a messed up situation and took forever for them to get their child back
@@bottle3124 nah Manning does this ALOT. The smallest thing and she scream child abuse without any effort to investigate and make sure. If she had waited for the ultrasounds she would have seen it wasn't. In real life this mom wouldn't have gotten her baby back for months, maybe even years
This is the most emotionally involved hospital i have ever seen in my life. I've never even watched this show, but just from UA-cam alone i've seen this Dr. Manning broad make so many bad decisions that I'm started to consider that she is a curse to that hospital from the Gods themselves. How she hasn't been fired yet is well beyond the comprehension of man.
The problem isn’t that manning claimed it was abuse, the problem is that she said, “I cannot draw any other conclusion here other than child abuse”, and then when it’s reinforced that once CPS is called, it’s out of their hands, Manning says “A mother intentionally harmed her child”, even though Shaken baby syndrome isn’t always caused by abuse or intentionally. Only for us to find out afterwards that she didn’t even review the Medical records, and even if she did, this still means that she didn’t at least double check before making the claim “I cannot draw any other conclusion here other than child abuse” and they after that Manning herself says that she has thought about shaking her own baby, which means she was possibly projecting her own experiences on that poor mother and using it to justify why the baby was 100% intentionally abused and has shaken baby syndrome. Manning made the right call by being concerned for the baby and suspecting abuse, BUT she made the CHOICE TO NOT check/and or recheck the medical records or get a proper opinion on everything going in with the baby. She and another doctor came to the conclusion that I was shaken baby syndrome but did she and that other doctor go over the medical records to make ABSOLUTE sure that it was abuse? NO. Did Manning even consider, checking the medical records or even retesting the baby again, when it is established that once CBS is called it is out of their hands? NO. Did Manning even feel bad that she ruined a young mothers life? Doesn’t seem like it, if anything she seems even worse when she talks about how she thinks about doing it to her own kid when she’s exhausted. It just makes her line “A mother intentionally harmed her child” even more unjustified and judgmental, cause it it looks like she is PROJECTING HER EXPERIENCES onto another person, to justify HER SUSPICION of abuse, that she did NOT bother to make ABSOLUTE SURE that she was right, and even when she is given one last chance to go back and make sure she is so confident that it’s abuse that she doesn’t and then for some unknown reason she checks AFTER CPS is called and SUDDENLY, it’s a possibility that it’s not abuse and it could be something else that could have EASILY been discovered if she and a another doctor checked/rechecked the medical records. Manning just ruined a mothers life, all because she’s a hypocrite,judgmental and and biased person who projects her own experiences as a mother onto everyone else without thinking about their lives and their hardships,history’s or reasoning. It’s like she asumes every parent is perfect mentally,financially and physically their entire lives,pregnancy and etc, like “her” apparently.(Btw if manning isn’t “perfect” as a parent it makes her look even worse because that’s implying that she just doesn’t care or think about the fact that some people struggle or have it worse than her) Sorry for the rant, I was just really fed up with people defending manning just because “the doctors have the baby in mind”, “reporting is protocol” and “if there is a suspicion report it”. Manning made the choice not to make sure despite having multiple chance to do so. All it took was a quick look, a look She choose NOT to do, even though twice she had a chance to do so. Especially with the emphasis on “Once CPS is involved it’s out of our hands” and “There isn’t any possible reason?”. Two times she had a chance to double check and both times she choose not to, knowing DAMN well she didn’t not check/recheck the medical records.
Wow. That’s a lot of typing, lol, but I have to agree. I don’t have any defending comments towards Manning. Choosing to call CPS before reading a medical history is the most stupid and ridiculous action.
Every time I see a clip of this with Manning and a child involved, she always overstep and judges and gets to emotionally invested or whatever, the plot armor keeps her safe from all the demands against her and being fired like 10 times already.
This happened to my sister and her granddaughter many times. My sister was raising my grand niece, who was injured during birth. There was no amniotic fluid, so the Dr was in a hurry to remove the baby. She opted for vaginally at first, but after she couldn't clamp onto my grand niece's head, she pushed her back in and told my niece they had to do a c-section. When she reached in to grab my grand niece, the Dr twisted several times to get around my niece's intestines and yanked her out. The trauma the ER Dr was reporting to cps in my grand niece's case was due to their Dr's negligence during delivery, but they were quicker to report it rather than to check her records.
when i was around... 3 i climbed onto and stood on the back of the sofa... for about a second. off the back i went and splam split fat lip [thankfully did not need stitching] at the hospital... they kept asking my parents how this happened, over and over. [thing was... i was at the time also an epileptic on medicine which affected my platelets.. so... not helped. in the end my mum told them to "Take her into another room and ask her yourself what happened" and I told them. THEN they took them at their word.
I hate how they start judging so quick like omg try to find out maybe any other options before automatically thinking it’s abuse, my brother had shaken baby syndrome but it was bc we were playing like get a grip
The pattern I've noticed with these snippets is that when the titles are questions, the situation never turns out to be what it seems. In other words, no. There was no abuse
It always strikes me as odd when a parent says "that baby" or "the baby" instead of "my baby". Maybe I'm looking into it too much but I always make a mental note when I hear that.
So she the only one who couldve shaken the baby? Particularly if shes a single mom, i would be looking at who cares for the child while mom is working. Smh. This knee jerk reacting is NOT ok.
How is Manning still get away without getting sued to this day is beyond me. This definitely isn't appropriate protocol and if it is, it's bound to get a child getting into permanent separation from the parents 😑 One day she's going to make a HUGE MISTAKE and getting sued. If she ends up in jail, she definitely deserves it
I'm hooked on this show. S. Epatha Merkeson is an outstanding actor in any TV show or as a supporting actor in movies. Oliver Platt really comes off as the hospital shrink. It's struck me recently that medical dramas like Chicago Med and especially House almost seem like crime and mystery with doctors becoming police detectives with medical degrees.
I gotta say, in these shows I really admire all the extras and guest stars having to act through the most horrible things possible and sell it 100%... all that for what kind of salary yknow?
Mannings seriously assumes things all the time and gets the littlest pat of the hands and I'm so sick of her! She jumps to conclusions and acts like a saint after.
I was suspected of child abuse when my daughter was six weeks old. It took them 14 years to diagnose her with epilepsy and another twenty years to diagnose her with a chromosomal abnormality. In fairness the chromosomal test wasn’t a thing when she was a baby. Still, medical professionals should check their facts first. I was suspected because I looked like a teenager but I was actually 23 when I gave birth, I was judged because of how old I looked. They didn’t take her off me because they found no evidence of abuse but I was suspected and questioned.
look i know it is a tv series but gosh! poor mother trying to get help and gets treated like a criminal dr manning just because you thought it doesn't mean it is true!
Dr Manning: let me get too emotionally involved and judgemental of my patients by making irrational decisions and not doing any research further to not overcomplicate things Also Dr Manning: oops, I guess I learned my lesson but will probably do it again anyways ☺✌
I have a daughter with an extremely medical condition. 99% of doctors have never heard of it, let alone seen it. When she was a child, this was my biggest fear. I was blessed with an incredible peds doctor who gave me her personal number in case this happened to me.
I know Natalie means well but she always goes straight to child abuse before anything else and she is usually wrong. She needs to make sure and check records before any accusations
I understand why people are immediatly jumping to being upset with Dr. Manning, because she often gets emotional, but in this situation, she really did nothing wrong. As someone with five doctors in my family, this is how it works, at least in the US. As soon as doctors find any evidence of abuse, like bruising or remodleling consistent with abuse, emotional reactions by the child consistent with abuse, the SBS triad as shown here, etc. they're required to immediately call CPS or DCFS. It doesn't always mean that the child is for sure being abused, but it's a precaution until it's 100% confirmed. Doctors are never supposed to wait until all the testing and checking is done, because by then, it may be too late, or something could happen. And yes, while Dr. Manning did get somewhat emotional, she didn't do it in front of the patient. She immediately went to her supervisor with the medical evidence she acquired, explained the situation to her, and her supervisor agreed to call DCFS. In this case, the right thing was done, even if you don't believe the protocol in US hospitals is right, this is what it is.
It looks like this doctor in every clip I see is just making horrible assumptions about people and putting them through unnecessary trauma and stress and suffering only for her to have been wrong.
the baby with a calm expression looked at the actress, saw that the actress was in distress, and then the baby got a concerned look on her face :( 💔 i wonder if the actress and the baby actress are actually mom and daughter
Countless agencies ready to jump in when there's suspected abuse (and currently if a woman wants to abort) but none to help a struggling single mother. 'America' in a nutshell.
Bad doctor the other worker is right it was a bad choice of course check to make sure somebody is not being abused but not checking other things about stuff like disability or conditions is very hurtful to the family
No one thought to look in depth at her records before accusing her of child abuse? Seems negligent to me.
it was covered in the episode that the first haemorrhage was so small that it was unnoticeable in utero.
Yeah no Manning’s character is a dumb bitch for this
@@strych9ines plus Manning is the dumbest doctor alive, it's like the white coat saps her brain.
they did, just in the wrong place. since the haemorrhage was nearly invisible on the images and wasn't visible on the body, the doctors at the hospital where she gave birth would have stated that the baby was healthy and normal at birth
if the baby was declared healthy at birth and now had symptoms it's not unreasonable to assume the mother did something to the baby after birth
Manning only realised her mistake when she saw a footnote about the accident in the extended recors she looks to have received later
Happens all the time…sadly. Difficult to determine who’s really harming & who is not. Poor mom, but they HAVE to check all out.
I feel so bad for this mother. She seems like she had poor support before getting pregnant and was completely dropped afterwards. And despite all that she seems to be a good mom, makes sure her baby isn’t around when she smokes, stopped while pregnant which must’ve been so challenging. And then to be falsely suspected of harming your baby? No wonder she’s defensive. I hope she finds support so she can be there emotionally for her baby as well as she has physically taken care of her.
The actress is pretty good. Unlikeable enough that the audience assumes she did it, but worried enough that they can sympathize.
The damage is already done.
The State will run with this as far and as hard as they can, and put it away wet!
Literally. I am pregnant right now. I’ve quit smoking cigarettes but occasionally smoke some weed to help with my sleeping/eating habits as I have an untreated ED and can’t eat more than twice or once a day. My midwife and I have discussed it and I will be quitting fully in my third tri as by then hopefully my other symptoms are under control.
@@TJ-dy1cy omg that's horrible, you're damaging yourself and your baby, that's disturbing
Shouldn't have had premarital sex
Take a shot every time Manning gets way too emotionally involved to the point that it inhibits her judgment and causes her to make a bad call.
Omg we’d be wasted by the end of the pilot
we'd all be dead from alcohol poisoning LOLL i swear she does this all the time
Our local liquor store just ran out
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Even House didn't do this. He suspected abuse at certain times, when he had good reason, but he didn't report it until the case was figured out. Manning judging parents instantly is bad. House assumes they all lie, but not that they're terrible people abusing their child.
That's why house was a much better medical drama than this. True medical cases are ofcourse a joke anyway in both.
500% agree!! House often concludes that a majority of the root causes for a patient’s circumstances is due to stupidity. And he’s right nearly every time! But he is also reasonable and rational enough to be able to see that it’s not from a lack of care or love. In one episode, he could see that the vegan parents were loving and caring, they just had to be more educated, and even then it was made evident that they were taking all the right precautions anyways! So they didn’t actually harm their baby due to neglect based on their personal morals, and even if that was the case House could see that they would readily put their baby before their ideals.
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Um just an observation but you guys know that these Are fictional stories and those people are actors not real!
@@jenniferbowie2773 gosh...i'm sure all of us are aware of that (i know i am). it's fun to take shows and movies seriously. and isn't that more or less the point? why would anyone watch them if their mentality is: this is all fake, that's not the character that is an actor, this is special affects, etc. why else would so much work be put in to making these things as believable as possible, while also putting all that effort into world building and developing the characters?
Dr. Manning constantly does this, it’s infuriating. You’re telling me they didn’t take a single look into the history before claiming abuse?
It’s a tv show.
Gotta create drama somehow.
Except this stuff ACTUALLY happens!
Not advocating Dr Maning but she did get the usg records after the suspected abuse
Should’ve researched first hope that baby got her mommy back
When kids come in with injuries like that, doctors and nurses do have to consider the possibility of abuse or neglect and call the police if they suspect it because they ARE mandated reporters. It’s their moral and legal duty to do so. Same with teachers.
But you are right. They’re strictly supposed to report suspected abuse. Law enforcement and CPS and/or DCFS take it from there.
Manning was my least favorite character. As a mother dealing with kid cases, you would think that she'd be perfect for the case, but no, because she constantly questions and judges the parents without knowing the lives and history
I would honestly want to take my child out of that hospital too if somebody did that to me. That was a horrible horrible thing for that mother to go through and so irresponsible of the doctors.
Actually, it’s protocol.
In the real world, too.
Always better to shoot first and ask questions later - if they assume the caregiver is innocent from the get go, then they risk sending the baby home to die.
It’s guilty until proven innocent.
Alexandra I already know by your profile picture that you don’t know that protocol exists.
@@bottle3124 ummm….r u ok?😂😂😂😂
@@bottle3124 I’m actually very aware of the protocol I was speaking more along the lines of the way the doctor treated the mother and made a ton of assumptions. Not the fact that they diagnosed her with shaken baby syndrome. She just didn’t do her due diligence to make sure that was the case.
@@bottle3124 are you dense? You’ve never heard of mandated reporters? The second a doctor even hears an allegation of abuse. They are legally obligated to report it, or they can face criminal charges himself, or lose their license.
This woman is going to make so much bank suing the hospital for emotional distress and negligence
Why do y'all act like this is real? It's a fake show
@@ladybug-mv8tn Its a scenario if it was real she was gonna make money from sueing
If she can find a way to afford the lawyer fees. Chances are she won’t have the time or resources to press charges
@@alixnight5318 lol
@@alixnight5318 honestly given how much of a slam duck the lawsuit would be the lawyers would only ask for a portion of the payment the hospital would give or legal fees would be tacked on to the settlement agreement
When I was 18 months old I fell about 6 inches onto a carpet. This should have been no big deal, but the fall fractured my leg. It was a complete fracture, something very unusual in young children, and a fracture that would not be normal from a small fall.
The ER doctors went straight for the child abuse route separated my parents and called the police even though there were no other signs of abuse.
Fortunately one of the best orthopedic surgeons in the country happened to come into the ER to invite a friend to lunch. He took one look at me and thanks to a number of birthmarks he knew right away that my parents were telling the truth.
In the end I would lose that leg, but it had nothing to do with anything my parents had done. Not even dropping me. My leg would have broken with any slight bump because something was wrong with the bone.
Just because it's rare for a baby to have broken bones like mine, it doesn't mean it's child abuse.
exactly. there are so many myriad conditions that could be at play. they just uploaded a clip from this same show where a kid had some kind of extra vascular growths that caused him to spontaneously bleed with the slightest impact. they specifically said he was born with it and if any of them grew into his brain and he got bumped at all, he could bleed into his brain and die.
Wow. Your leg was just that fragile? What was the name of what was wrong with it, if you don't mind saying?
Most likely McCune Albright Syndrome
@@juliasmith4343 No. Love how you can diagnose something with such limited information, Doctor, or at least be very confident in your guess?
Ever hear of Neurofibromatosis?
@erictaylor5462 when you said birthmarks I knew you meant NF, I have it too.
In real life, she wouldn't have gotten her baby back immediately. The child would have still gone into the system and she would have spent months, if not years, fighting to get her back.
That’s messed up.
and the hospital would have gotten off scott free too.....should be fucking sued
“I cant draw any conclusion other than abuse! Ive looked at absolutely nothing else and am all out of ideas so its obviously zebras all the way down!”
That's exactly how she sounded!
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Although this show is fake, this situation is common and from my personal experience being in the foster care system, the person fostering me and my half sister burnt me intentionally with a curling iron on my leg and starved me. Imo the foster care system runs so heavily on capitalism that it's just become legal child trafficking. That aside, abuse should be taken seriously when it's actual abuse and a child who is old enough to talk should be talked to in a child friendly manner before a conclusion on if there's abuse.
@@Bunny-bo2sr absolutely. This conclusion, devoid of any actual analysis of the child’s behaviors or testimony, and solely off of the presence of a convenient cluster of symptoms, is like diagnosing someone with advanced stage lung cancer based solely off a pain in the chest and a persistent cough. Its the WebMD approach to a diagnosis.
A zebra would have been what she found when she bothered to look at the record. She just assumed that the struggling, poor mom with little education was an abusive mother without looking for the rare (zebra) cause for the brain bleed. Fun fact, doctors rarely look indepth at your medical record. They might glance it but that's it. Doctors do this type of judging patients and their families all the time. When you go to a hospital, it's important for us all to remember, they're always sizing you up and what they come up with determines if you or your love one gets good care or not. You will have to go to war to get them to listen and to do tests as well as look at your record.
@@carolynm8421 patients 100% need to be ready to advocate for their own care, unfortunately. People assume its like House MD where a team of geniuses work tirelessly to determine what the problem is, but in reality, doctors are fallible, biased, and often overworked and exhausted, and as much as it shouldnt be so, those things often work together to create a situation where peoples needs are overlooked or under-cared for.
Manning shouldn't be allowed nowhere near any kid. As the mother said she starts judging people instantly
Are u crazy?
@@saiyedanigarmehdi4121 Why? She's so biased and opinionated... In every clip involving kids or pregnant women she is talking about her own experiences. And forces her own opinion onto others
@@saiyedanigarmehdi4121are you? Any time she has a patient who is a child she puts her own feelings above her JOB. Lucky this is a show and she’s not an actual dr or she’d be fired and sued by now
She even admitted it.
No, Manning is the doctor, the mother should not be around any child
Typical of Manning to vindictively judge someone by their cover then go ahead and flip it to "I just did it because I can't imagine it, she's soooo strong!" They really should've just given this woman some sort of sociopath arc or something fr
This computer have been a good opportunity for character development for her but nope. They just had her do the same thing
I work in childcare and was abused, so naturally I am always on high alert. But you know what I do to prevent this exact situation? I get another person's opinion before making any kind of report. But to be fair, if you were presented with what is clearly SBS and the child only has one caregiver, this is not a bizarre conclusion for Manning to draw.
But the doctor should’ve looked at her records before she reported this. As Mather favt the lady she told to look up the records should’ve said something right then and there cause she found something
The doctor who showed Manning the CT scan even agreed SBS was likely. So she did have another person's opinion.
@@fidelianerina Like I said, in this case she drew a completely reasonable conclusion. As a mandated reporter, it's better to report and have the people who know what they're doing look at it rather than not reporting it when there's something going on. I'm just saying that in general, this is a hard line to toe and I feel like sometimes she does jump the gun.
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Damn dude Mannin is *literally* always like this
It's a wonder that she didn't get fired sooner. Seriously, it's a good thing Goodwin was skeptical about it. Child abuse is bad, but even a cat acts with patience before lunging at its toy.
The only time I agreed with Manning's judgement was when an adult man that married a teenager was more worried about her getting pregnant then the health of his "Wife".
@@foolslayer9416 it’s protocol, if they didn’t keep the baby they would risk the baby dying 🤷♀️
I'm a single mom too. I left my abusive ex when I was 5 months pregnant (Nov 2018) and ultimately decided to raise my son all on my own. My son is 4 now and a healthy little man. He's my world. While sometimes I feel like I'm not doing well at raising him, I know at least I'm trying my best and that he's clothed, fed and sheltered.
You could see the way the mother handed her baby over that she had hesitations.
She's clearly attached to her little one.
There’s a pattern:
Dr. Manning: Makes emotional judgement call.
Blows up in her face
Dr Manning: I’m a terrible person
Other doctors: (reassuringly) No, Babygirl, no. It was an honest mistake.
Repeat.
I don’t understand how anyone can even like her character
@@Sniperboy5551because she’s attractive. Apparently
Shouldn't she be fired after all these "I think it's abuse" allegations? Or is there something in the law that protects doctors making these allegations?
If it's in good faith, you can't be penalized; unfortunately
Hospital staff can be punished for not reporting potential abuse.
Put it this way, if you really think it could not be anything else, then why wouldnt you report? But obviously if you report wothout any basis thats ground for termination
Mandatory reporters have to report if there’s any suspicions whatsoever.
You can’t be fired for making allegations in good faith. But you can be fired and even lose your license for not reporting suspected abuse
Between this Manning character and the red-headed male doctor character... it's surprising to me how this TV hospital isn't constantly wrapped up in litigation.
Every mother needs support, however small in whatever way it's presented. The mom felt so helpless in many scenes of this clip. And to say it's unbelievable that some mothers out there still go through emotional abuse, despite doing all the best for their babies. Being a mother comes with its challenges, no mom wants to go through being denied access to their kids.
Bruh? It’s fucking protocol, if they suspect abuse they have to keep the baby or else they risk the baby dying
Being asked questions about your child's health when physicians are ruling out abuse isn't "emotional abuse." That's ridiculous. "Emotional abuse" applies to families and romantic partners using cruel words towards loved ones consistently over time.
I wish they could have taken this character flaw and made her grow from these experiences. Like if she had another episode where a mom or dad came in with a baby, it looked like abuses, other doctors though it was abuse, but she finally learned from those lessons and where able to prove otherwise. THAT would have been a good character arc, learning and abandoning overbearing and judgment, it would have made her so much better of a character
I love the part where Manning makes a judgement call, regrets her actions, and THEN does the important research that could've avoided the problem in the first place.
I'm a medicine student. Our doctors always tell us that abuse is THE LAST thing we can think about. First we have to investigate A LOT and if we are REALLY SURE that is abuse, we report. But that's it. We are not detectives, we don't have to figure out who did it. It's not our business
"it's definitely child abuse. But also, it might be something else"
Why didn't she look at the medical record before calling DCFS ?? So unprofessional
Why don't all act like this is real? It's a show
@@ladybug-mv8tnand it could happen in real life this isn't a fantasy
it’s protocol, if they didn’t keep the baby they would risk the baby dying 🤷♀️
@@ladybug-mv8tnBecause it constantly happens irl.
Because that wouldn't have helped. You would have to know what you were looking for and go through the imaging looking for it.
Is there an episode where she is reprimanded??? Like, I'd love to see it at this rate.
They always get worse just in time for the Doctor who messed up to save the day don’t they
it’s protocol, if they didn’t keep the baby they would risk the baby dying 🤷♀️
This kind of stuff is so common. I read about a baby taken away from his parents because they accused them of starving him. He had the same I’ll was I have, gastroparesis, which means that your stomach muscles are paralyzed. Eating can be agonizing, you spend most of the time feeling like you are going to throw up or about to throw up. Your stomach can get so distended you look pregnant and it’s miserable. The family’s doc even diagnosed the child, but the state’s contracted doc said that it was wrong. To make it worse the mom was alone because her husband was deployed. It was such a messed up situation and took forever for them to get their child back
I would have told that doctor to stay away from my child. She didn't look at the child's records before she contacted Law enforcement.
lol someone should do a compilation video of every time this doctor does this
Agreed.
It’s protocol, they have to do it.
@@bottle3124 nah Manning does this ALOT. The smallest thing and she scream child abuse without any effort to investigate and make sure. If she had waited for the ultrasounds she would have seen it wasn't. In real life this mom wouldn't have gotten her baby back for months, maybe even years
This is the most emotionally involved hospital i have ever seen in my life. I've never even watched this show, but just from UA-cam alone i've seen this Dr. Manning broad make so many bad decisions that I'm started to consider that she is a curse to that hospital from the Gods themselves. How she hasn't been fired yet is well beyond the comprehension of man.
This mother is worried so much about her baby and I feel bad for her❤️❤️❤️
The problem isn’t that manning claimed it was abuse, the problem is that she said, “I cannot draw any other conclusion here other than child abuse”, and then when it’s reinforced that once CPS is called, it’s out of their hands, Manning says “A mother intentionally harmed her child”, even though Shaken baby syndrome isn’t always caused by abuse or intentionally. Only for us to find out afterwards that she didn’t even review the Medical records, and even if she did, this still means that she didn’t at least double check before making the claim “I cannot draw any other conclusion here other than child abuse” and they after that Manning herself says that she has thought about shaking her own baby, which means she was possibly projecting her own experiences on that poor mother and using it to justify why the baby was 100% intentionally abused and has shaken baby syndrome. Manning made the right call by being concerned for the baby and suspecting abuse, BUT she made the CHOICE TO NOT check/and or recheck the medical records or get a proper opinion on everything going in with the baby. She and another doctor came to the conclusion that I was shaken baby syndrome but did she and that other doctor go over the medical records to make ABSOLUTE sure that it was abuse? NO. Did Manning even consider, checking the medical records or even retesting the baby again, when it is established that once CBS is called it is out of their hands? NO. Did Manning even feel bad that she ruined a young mothers life? Doesn’t seem like it, if anything she seems even worse when she talks about how she thinks about doing it to her own kid when she’s exhausted. It just makes her line “A mother intentionally harmed her child” even more unjustified and judgmental, cause it it looks like she is PROJECTING HER EXPERIENCES onto another person, to justify HER SUSPICION of abuse, that she did NOT bother to make ABSOLUTE SURE that she was right, and even when she is given one last chance to go back and make sure she is so confident that it’s abuse that she doesn’t and then for some unknown reason she checks AFTER CPS is called and SUDDENLY, it’s a possibility that it’s not abuse and it could be something else that could have EASILY been discovered if she and a another doctor checked/rechecked the medical records. Manning just ruined a mothers life, all because she’s a hypocrite,judgmental and and biased person who projects her own experiences as a mother onto everyone else without thinking about their lives and their hardships,history’s or reasoning. It’s like she asumes every parent is perfect mentally,financially and physically their entire lives,pregnancy and etc, like “her” apparently.(Btw if manning isn’t “perfect” as a parent it makes her look even worse because that’s implying that she just doesn’t care or think about the fact that some people struggle or have it worse than her)
Sorry for the rant, I was just really fed up with people defending manning just because “the doctors have the baby in mind”, “reporting is protocol” and “if there is a suspicion report it”. Manning made the choice not to make sure despite having multiple chance to do so. All it took was a quick look, a look She choose NOT to do, even though twice she had a chance to do so. Especially with the emphasis on “Once CPS is involved it’s out of our hands” and “There isn’t any possible reason?”. Two times she had a chance to double check and both times she choose not to, knowing DAMN well she didn’t not check/recheck the medical records.
Manning is a terrible person. She probably abused some patients of her own in the past.
God bless you for this comment, exactly
Wow. That’s a lot of typing, lol, but I have to agree. I don’t have any defending comments towards Manning. Choosing to call CPS before reading a medical history is the most stupid and ridiculous action.
At least it wasn't like the mom arrested for killing her children. She spent years in prison before they figured out it was a rare medical condition
WHAT? What episode was that?
@@francostevo9939 real life
@@daniellebibona1503 wow. Just…. Wow. Mind telling me the name of this unfortunate mother who had to go through this.
@@francostevo9939 Patricia Stallings in Missouri
@@daniellebibona1503 thank you
How is she still a doctor 😑 I'd sue the doctor and the hospital for not checking the babies medical history
Why is it always in those shows that doctors cast judgement and are so sure of themselves in situations where there is insufficient proof ?
Every time I see a clip of this with Manning and a child involved, she always overstep and judges and gets to emotionally invested or whatever, the plot armor keeps her safe from all the demands against her and being fired like 10 times already.
Hearing that little girl crying so much from pain breaks my heart
This happened to my sister and her granddaughter many times. My sister was raising my grand niece, who was injured during birth. There was no amniotic fluid, so the Dr was in a hurry to remove the baby. She opted for vaginally at first, but after she couldn't clamp onto my grand niece's head, she pushed her back in and told my niece they had to do a c-section. When she reached in to grab my grand niece, the Dr twisted several times to get around my niece's intestines and yanked her out. The trauma the ER Dr was reporting to cps in my grand niece's case was due to their Dr's negligence during delivery, but they were quicker to report it rather than to check her records.
when i was around... 3 i climbed onto and stood on the back of the sofa... for about a second. off the back i went and splam split fat lip [thankfully did not need stitching]
at the hospital... they kept asking my parents how this happened, over and over. [thing was... i was at the time also an epileptic on medicine which affected my platelets.. so... not helped.
in the end my mum told them to "Take her into another room and ask her yourself what happened" and I told them. THEN they took them at their word.
Manning has a Savior Complex. She’s SO insecure that she projects onto everyone else. It’s irritating, she always, always makes it about herself.
The actress really channeled her inner Cindy at the opening. I swear i thought that was Anna Faris
She does look a bit like her
If she had looked at that report when she said, "I can't come to any other conclussions".... she is irritating...
When the mom admitted she went out for a smoke, the judgement started…..
7:15 exactly - who jumps in to help parents in need of real help?
I hate how they start judging so quick like omg try to find out maybe any other options before automatically thinking it’s abuse, my brother had shaken baby syndrome but it was bc we were playing like get a grip
The pattern I've noticed with these snippets is that when the titles are questions, the situation never turns out to be what it seems. In other words, no. There was no abuse
It always strikes me as odd when a parent says "that baby" or "the baby" instead of "my baby". Maybe I'm looking into it too much but I always make a mental note when I hear that.
So she the only one who couldve shaken the baby? Particularly if shes a single mom, i would be looking at who cares for the child while mom is working. Smh. This knee jerk reacting is NOT ok.
Manning should have been sued into oblivion several seasons ago
I have just realised you posted this on my birthday 😮!!
'Well if i want to punch my baby in the face, she must have punched her baby'-Manning's logic
How is Manning still get away without getting sued to this day is beyond me. This definitely isn't appropriate protocol and if it is, it's bound to get a child getting into permanent separation from the parents 😑
One day she's going to make a HUGE MISTAKE and getting sued. If she ends up in jail, she definitely deserves it
I'm hooked on this show. S. Epatha Merkeson is an outstanding actor in any TV show or as a supporting actor in movies. Oliver Platt really comes off as the hospital shrink.
It's struck me recently that medical dramas like Chicago Med and especially House almost seem like crime and mystery with doctors becoming police detectives with medical degrees.
Were the writers trying to make Manning as unlikable as possible? She was always involved with babies and pregnant women but was incredibly biased.
Oh fun fact, I recently learned Shaken baby isnt even actually a really thing!
Someone needs to be fired.. That sounds about right judge first before you get the story..
Manning really annoys me in every clip. Every time a kid is involved, she gets too involved and over steps. I'd sue her and that hospital.
I gotta say, in these shows I really admire all the extras and guest stars having to act through the most horrible things possible and sell it 100%... all that for what kind of salary yknow?
Mannings seriously assumes things all the time and gets the littlest pat of the hands and I'm so sick of her! She jumps to conclusions and acts like a saint after.
Wow do they really not have support systems for single mums in America
Yikes
The cameraman of this episode must have had too much coffee. The camera keeps shaking.
Manning didn’t even check for bruises, or other forms of abuse/neglect before making the report.
I had one of those when I was born.
I was suspected of child abuse when my daughter was six weeks old. It took them 14 years to diagnose her with epilepsy and another twenty years to diagnose her with a chromosomal abnormality. In fairness the chromosomal test wasn’t a thing when she was a baby. Still, medical professionals should check their facts first. I was suspected because I looked like a teenager but I was actually 23 when I gave birth, I was judged because of how old I looked. They didn’t take her off me because they found no evidence of abuse but I was suspected and questioned.
Me*sees title*
Also me:SHES WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!
the amount of emotions manning carries around as a doctor is concerning
look i know it is a tv series but gosh! poor mother trying to get help and gets treated like a criminal dr manning just because you thought it doesn't mean it is true!
How about don't have sex with multiple people and get pregnant when you're not equipped to take care of a baby. Immature
If manning had just looked at the history first but she first judged someone, going off feelings rather than facts and options
Man this doctor is highly inappropriate and unethical. She was anxious to get the mom
This itch should not be practicing medicine. She's always accusing people. Letting feeling triumph over reality. Just horrible
So quick to call child abuse but cant give a diagnosis.....
I feel like when the baby had a seizure I always think it’s going to happen to me again cause I’m a diabetic
I feel like that would have been a two hour waiting room wait in real life.
I can understand this mothers anger
Dr Manning: let me get too emotionally involved and judgemental of my patients by making irrational decisions and not doing any research further to not overcomplicate things
Also Dr Manning: oops, I guess I learned my lesson but will probably do it again anyways ☺✌
I have a daughter with an extremely medical condition. 99% of doctors have never heard of it, let alone seen it. When she was a child, this was my biggest fear. I was blessed with an incredible peds doctor who gave me her personal number in case this happened to me.
The baby screams are haunting
She stopped breathing
Lol these people, “we have to take it seriously” yeah including serious judgement
I would've sued manning
Should've did the research before assuming
I know Natalie means well but she always goes straight to child abuse before anything else and she is usually wrong. She needs to make sure and check records before any accusations
Manning loves to judge parents, doesn't she?
She’s so insecure in her own abilities as a mother that she’s taking it out on her patients
I understand why people are immediatly jumping to being upset with Dr. Manning, because she often gets emotional, but in this situation, she really did nothing wrong. As someone with five doctors in my family, this is how it works, at least in the US. As soon as doctors find any evidence of abuse, like bruising or remodleling consistent with abuse, emotional reactions by the child consistent with abuse, the SBS triad as shown here, etc. they're required to immediately call CPS or DCFS. It doesn't always mean that the child is for sure being abused, but it's a precaution until it's 100% confirmed. Doctors are never supposed to wait until all the testing and checking is done, because by then, it may be too late, or something could happen. And yes, while Dr. Manning did get somewhat emotional, she didn't do it in front of the patient. She immediately went to her supervisor with the medical evidence she acquired, explained the situation to her, and her supervisor agreed to call DCFS. In this case, the right thing was done, even if you don't believe the protocol in US hospitals is right, this is what it is.
It looks like this doctor in every clip I see is just making horrible assumptions about people and putting them through unnecessary trauma and stress and suffering only for her to have been wrong.
If I was a doctor I try to get All of the facts before I call cops 😢😢being safe
Poor baby
How old is this lady still have a job?
Talk about jumping to conclusions. Geez!!
lmao bruh, talk to the mother get the psych first. well eh, i watch this for entertainment and drama, not medical accuracy.
the baby with a calm expression looked at the actress, saw that the actress was in distress, and then the baby got a concerned look on her face :( 💔 i wonder if the actress and the baby actress are actually mom and daughter
Is the baby safe now?
The title is bugging me, it’s “believed to have been abused by mother”
Dr. Manning started to judge the lady from she realized the mother smoked a cigarette
The mum looks EXACTLY like Billieseilish’s mum
Manning would lose her license in the real world.
Ya like how has she kept her license
Countless agencies ready to jump in when there's suspected abuse (and currently if a woman wants to abort) but none to help a struggling single mother.
'America' in a nutshell.
Bad doctor the other worker is right it was a bad choice of course check to make sure somebody is not being abused but not checking other things about stuff like disability or conditions is very hurtful to the family