A friend of mine works as a nurse, and told me a story of how a patient she treated had severe liver cancer and was pregnant. She didn’t take chemo because she didn’t want to hurt the baby. Thankfully after her baby was born she began a rigorous treatment and entered remission. I wish all cases happened like that
Thats the closest one can get to a good situation all around. Mother lived long enough to deliver, child came out unharmed, and then the mother was able to be healthy enough to ungo chemo, which itself is a draining treatment to go through.
It is always depending on the type of cancer, the stage of the cancer and several other factors. This woman was already in stage 4 when she got pregnant. Even with treatment, the chance to heal is limited.
Its always confusing how the husband in these case scenarios is made out to be the villain but here he genuinely has a point. All he wants is for his wife to be healthy, thus providing a healthy environment for their baby. That is not taking advantage, that is a man who cares.
When you carry a baby/foetus inside your body for months and everything you do is to make sure it's healthy and not being harmed, what you eat, what your wear, how you sleep, everything, you will make different judgments than a guy, even if he loves you and the baby. She has terminal cancer and she will die. The only way to make sense of this is to keep the baby healthy so it can live. Manning meant the husband is taking advantage of the wife being in a coma so he can go against her wishes. Cannot stand Manning though 🙂
Well he WAS the villain here. How would you feel if your husband told you "I don't respect your opinion, I think you're just talking like this because of a brain tumor. I want to disregard your wishes and do what I think is right"? She was clear before the brain tumor that she didn't want any intervention that could hurt the fetus. She was sticking to that same thought process, nothing had changed. He decided he could use the brain tumor as an excuse to push his agenda instead. We understand why he did it of course, he loves his wife and he doesn't want to lose her, but the way he went about it was scummy. He's not a bad person, but he was the villain here hands down.
@@ovinedreamer1451 do you not think he was distraught and also not thinkong straight he was terrified of loosing the love of his life, he ended up sticking to what she wanted, that doesn't make him a villian it just makes him human, when emotions are involved your own brain tries different ways to cope, his in the terror of his wife going to die his brain made him think thar her thought process was affected by the tuma so then she coild be saved as she was not thinking like herself, the brain works in so many ways that are hard to understand. Hence why so many people who have been abused often think it is their fault that they mau have brought it on themselves by doing something or trusting someone going somewhere private with someone etc sometimes the brain makes you think things that are not true to make you cope not sure what word to use, as someone who has had my drink spiked and lost track of everything waking up in a room with others, I blamed myself for letting anyone else get me drinks even though they were meant to be my friends friends I felt it was my fault bexause I had lightly flirted with one of them and let them pass me my drinks, if I had always opened my own drinks if I had kept more to myself then I wouldn't have had my drink spiked, I know some part of ne knows it wasn't my fault I still blamed myself so never talked about it, I know the video clip is entirely different but the way the brain sees things is sorta the same.
When I was pregnant I took every precaution but my husband and I both agreed that if at any point my life was in danger, save my life, it sound horrible and selfish but there’s always another chance for another baby, my life only has one chance.
Not horrible nor selfish. It's normal. Some women wish to protect the child alone like they show in movie. That's not wrong either. In these situations nothing's right or wrong. It's a wish. In your case, I am happy you chose yourself. The Gods will send the same soul to you again a second time because the children and mother are decided by fate. If that kid was meant to be your child, then it can only be your child.
You made the most sound, rational decision it's possible to make in my opinion. This is especially true if the couple already have children. Which do you think is going to be harder on your husband and your children--loosing an unborn child/sibling or losing their wife/mother. It is just selfish to prioritize the baby's life over than of the mother. In the absolute best situation, you're leaving your husband in the position of being the sole caregiver AND provider for the child. In the worst case, the father is now the sole caregiver and provider for multiple children who are now traumatized by the loss of their mother and might resent the new baby for "killing" mom. You have more of an obligation to the living than the unborn child.
Not selfish at all, reasonable. If you die and the baby lives, then it grows up without a mother and placing a hardship on the father because he'd then be raising the child alone in his grief. Parenting is hard enough already. You're not being selfish by thinking about the baby's and the father's futures.
I feel bad for the Husband. There is no right decision here: he either goes against her wishes and risks the life of his kid or he honours her wishes and she never wakes up.
He was literally in a situation where there is no right call. He risks the baby on hand. On the other his wife. Regardless of the outcome. He will have guilt.
During my 2nd year of training in Radiotherapy, we treated a pregnant lady. Stomach cancer that had spread to her spinal processes, causing a cord compression. The cancer symptoms were so similar to early pregnancy symptoms, she wasn’t diagnosed until it was too late. Unfortunately neither her or the baby made it, god bless them ❤👼
My husband and I are expecting our second. We've had discussions at length about what to do if put in this situation. As heartless as it sounds to the baby, we both agree that my life is more important, and that if there is a situation where we have to pick, I get priority. If I started suddenly saying that I want the baby to take priority, my husband would know that I'm not in my right mind and would fight for me to get treatment.
That doesn’t sound heartless to me, at all. It sounds like the right decision for you, personally, if you were put in such an impossible, heartbreaking situation.
Not heartless at all. You would always choose the chicken over the egg, metaphorically. On that situation, she completely disregarded the terrified husband of losing both his wife and the potential baby. The mother's feeling won't matter after she's dead or in a coma state. What will matter is the father coping and accepting fate.
Good on you honestly. You’ve lived a life, you have a kid who needs you and a family. You would not want to raise a kid with the pain of having no mother. Congrats on your second, wishing you well
This is just an ugly situation altogether. I don't like telling a someone if they should have a baby if they don't want it nor tell someone they shouldn't have a baby if they want it. Usually these set of circumstances don't happen often at the same time, but to get to this point, it just sucks.
I had to get tested for cervical cancer at 14 weeks. My dr told me you can do chemo in second and third trimesters. I always thought you had to choose between pregnancy and treatment but you can do both. Obviously there are risks but not as bad as you would think. Fortunantly i was fine 🙂
You did the chemo in the last part of the pregnancy? Well, my ask is: when you is a cancer pregnant, they do c section about to 37 weeks right? Or they do later? Like, 37 isn't too earlier, the baby don't need the NICU, they are fully formed and just reserving energy for the delivery.
I'm sorry, I have a million of questions, because that's a question that I always had, like, if the woman pregnant finds out a cancer? What they do? I'm happy you and the baby are fine. Best wishes for you 2.
@@fabianifigueira I can answer the ‘is 37 weeks too early?question. 37 weeks is classed as full term as the baby can breathe on their own outside of the womb. My daughter was 37 weeks and 2 days when I gave birth. While she did have reflux (caused by her digestive system not being quite finished developing when she was born) and was born a little jaundiced, she was perfectly fine to come with me the same day. Generally babies born at 37 weeks are full term and don’t need any additional treatment. Though they might still have the hair their bodies are covered in while in the womb. My daughter had fluffy ears for a few weeks after birth because of this lol
I hate how the doctor was so quick to call the husband's power of attorney a breach when it's clear he is only doing what the situation demands without any other options available plus he and his wife agreed to do treatment if the cancer spread too fast as it was so he wasn't in violation at all and trying to save both her and the baby. Unlike other patients and their spouses where the doctors have been right they infringed on their rights or did some questionable things, this husband was genuinely at a loss and had to choose what he believed would try to help even if it had the chance of killing his wife or his baby. He was heartbroken and I can't blame him for what he decided.
Exactly. Especially since nothing they said indicated the surgery would put the baby at a significant risk for injury. Who knows. Surgery obviously wouldn’t have been a cure for the cancer but it could have allowed her the ability to meet her baby and perhaps persue additional treatment options after delivery. Saying no to the surgery seems to guarantee that she’ll only ever be an incubator with no other future after the delivery.
@@TysMommy609 And I noticed that unlike others in the show who seem to prioritize the baby or the mother over the other, this guy isn't choosing either. He's so afraid of the situation that he doesn't know what to do. He neither wants the baby or his wife at risk but making the decision of what is necessary is tearing him. You can genuinely see his panic as he's forced to pick an option he knows she wasn't sure about because he was frightened of losing both. In the other cases, they either want the baby because it's "what she would have wanted" or they want the wife and just go "we can try again later." He doesn't do that which is why I don't like how the doctor was claiming he was like the others. He's just a scared husband caught in a bad situation. His decision is most likely what anyone else would have done.
Its a tough situation. So scary for both parties. My husband would be caught exactly the same way. However, we have 3 children, and my husband would prioritize me. Its such a difficult situation.
I had an aunt who died before I was born, during WWII. She had Hodgkins disease, and was pregnant. She didn't get all the drugs, to protect the baby. My cousin was born, and his mom died about two months later. Her husband was here, but in the Army. His wife being dead, he was sent overseas and died in the Battle of the Bulge. So my cousin was an orphan when less than a year old.
@@CitizenofGallifrey He passed a few years ago when he was seventy. Never married, he was raised by his paternal aunt. In his pictures he looked very much like an uncle of mine, his bio mom's brother.
I love how most of the comments are demonizing the husband for having emotions and not wanting to lose his wife. Love how everyone says the wife is absolutely fine and everything she says is clear headed, when in reality most of it is literally just emotions dialed to 11, which is the same case for the husband who doesn't want to lose the baby or his wife
@@ellihorn6554 Maybe those countries like throwing good money after bad but considering I just watched the press conference about a 37 yr old woman who just died in another country (I think Australia) while waiting for over 6hrs in the ER still undiagnosed it is hard to imagine they would be rushing someone off to brain surgery there hours after arrival.
@@MA-mh1vs The ER works by trying to determine which case is more urgent. Unfortunately, that sometimes means people will wait because it doesn't seem urgent. What is different is that countries with universal healthcare have layers. You don't go to the hospital, you go see a doctor at your clinic. If there is concern for more serious issues, they will refer you. But for most mundane things, they are more than enough. Moreover, there is a limit to how much they would pay.
The pregnant woman really wasn't thinking clearly, because if she was, she'd know that her baby had as much chance of being born as she had of surviving cancer without treatment. It's either gamble on birth defects caused by exposure to anesthesia, or gamble on her son's life by dying of cancer. One of those has a small chance of being bad and the other is guaranteed to cost you two lives out of stupidity and stubbornness.
No, because frankly at 21 weeks the baby is already viable. For a woman who has pretty much zero chance of survival, keeping her alive a few more weeks allows for more development. They can even give medication to help the baby's lungs to develop more quickly. This baby absolutely woul survive.
Whose gonna tell her that her baby is gonna have a much better chance having a little anesthesia than being born 21 weeks along because his mom died from her brain tumor seizures?
she's not gonna die, her brain is gonna die. they literally spelled it out in the video that they were gonna keep her in a vegetative state as a human incubator until the baby was big enough to deliver. try to keep up!
@@zilesis1 except this doesnt account for the high risk of infection, the fact she can't feed herself, regulate her temperature, her organs will start to deteriorate, her hormones will spiral, the clotting issues, the fact they can't regulate the respinse the meds will have to the baby. So yes, she will die because your brain is responsible for every function in your body and if it goes, the baby, even with a ventilator is no guarentee
@@cloudedcolour5329 it's fairly common for pregnant patients in an irreversible coma to carry to term plus, by your logic, patient's who are in comas for many years should all be rotten on the inside because their organs failed she's not gonna die without the surgery, she'll just be braindead for the 6-8 weeks it takes for the baby to grow to term
I hated dr manning. She always acted like this when it came to kids. No matter what the family wished she always made her own choices. If she were my doctor I would demand she be off my case.
I was in the hospital 8 months pregnant trying not to have surgery because my gallbladder was infected. After 2 weeks of antibiotics and round the clock blood work and care my gallbladder started to leak poison into my bloodstream. One morning after blood work had been done 2 surgeons busted into my room. It was literally 6am and I couldn’t keep nothing down. They said I was dying and that by that afternoon both the baby and I would be dead if I didn’t consent to surgery. They explained all the precautions they would take and all the teams that would be in there to assure our safety. I said yes and went through with it. So I had major abdominal surgery at the end of my pregnancy. Whenever pregnant you can’t have the less evasive version. I had to have the good old fashioned scalpel and wedge. I woke up with a long drain tube and bulb sticking out my side and I spent 2 more weeks in hospital recovering from infection in my bloodstream and a wonderful liquid diet. Having staples across your stomach whenever your baby moves and kicks isn’t fun but worth it if it means we lived.
Why didn't they deliver the baby when you were already 8 months. Babies much younger survive. Unless this was decades ago, that's strange to me (especially since they've been removing gallbladder laproscopally for a long time).
@@annebodeeif a baby is born early there is a high chance that they are not fully developed. Babies who are born months early often have to spend time in the NICU. They just wanted to give the baby a best chance a living a healthy life
Find it ironic how i have the same name as the woman and my mother had cancer while pregnant with me. She couldn’t have any treatment during the pregnancy and passed away when i was 10 months old the day after my sisters 12th birthday 🫠
There is no villain. This is grief talking through him. He loves his wife. In some way he loves the baby too, but a man is disconnected from the baby until birth, unlike the mother who feels the child everyday inside of her. His thoughts, wants, needs are not the same as his wife. Her first thought is to protect her child, an instinct that is natural once you become pregnant. Maybe that is lack of reasoning on her part, to protect someone she has never met over the her husband. This must be so emotionally difficult and there is no villain, there is no selfishness, both feel very different things. There is no right or wrong here. If anyone is ever in this situation, i suggest a documented letter, so spouse has to make this decision.
this is the second time i saw a pregnant woman with cancer on tv. the first woman was on a show called Call The Midwives; she came in the clinic for a check up and a midwife saw she was bleeding and feeling uncomfortable so the doctor took a test to see what she had. Eventually, they told her that she had cervical cancer and needed a hysterectomy in order to prevent the cancer from spreading. At first she didn’t want the operation but she eventually had the surgery and though she’s heartbroken, her husband, who didn’t know about it until much later in the episode, forgave her.
@@thepinkestpigglet7529 i cant remember but i believe it was the fact she never told him she had cancer or the fact they can’t have children anymore because of what needed to be done
@@saraflint2982 They said afterwards though that they'd found out about it when she was about three months along, so 12 weeks. At 21 weeks that would only be a few months later.
Also, and it's an easy mistake to make, but it was 'serotic' not 'cirrhotic' - 'serotic' just means there's cellular fluid in the abdomen, which is probably something they've dealt with before since they knew she had cancer already. Unfortunately the two are pronounced nearly identically!
I have seen so many Clips of this show no and Dr. Manning is just the worst, no empathy whatsoever towards the husband who had to make an impossibly painful choice who clearly wasn't acting maliciously or selfishly but just trying to keep his wife alive. She is so quick to judgement in so many instances it´s really ofputting, but seems to be the case with many of the cast like the young black nurse as well.
I mean.. you think seizures are good for the baby!? Or the fluid crushing her womb!? Heck, at that rate, she wouldn't survive long enough for the baby to come to term.
Because that's what mothers do. Maternal instinct is the strongest instinct of all. I absolutely would choose to save my baby even if it cost me my life.
@@annebodee maternal instinct is most definitely not “the strongest”, if anything it’s mixed with delusion. So you’d rather have your baby live without it’s mother? When there are plenty of other chances of having a baby? Interesting.
@@annebodeematernal instinct is not the strongest, but I don't digress, you'd rather give up something that hasn't been born yet and leave a grieving father to raise a child on his own?
I died for 13 minutes 2week after open heart surgery, needed a second Emergency OHS, was in a coma after and my advanced directive was 100% ignored they refused to even speak to my husband/decision maker. I should have sued.
Yeah, I hate to say it but you’re still alive enough to tell us the story that you had died for 13 minutes two weeks ago or so to tell us that they ignore your advanced directive
@@vlsice2024 learn to read. I didn’t say two weeks ago. I said two weeks after having an open heart surgery. Even so, I don’t see what point you’re trying to make by saying that. That because I lived through cardiac arrest and a coma, and years later I can talk about it, that for some reason that means my advanced directive shouldn’t have been followed?
@@vlsice2024 keep that same energy if you ever go through a major medical event that leaves you incapacitated. “It doesn’t matter that your wishes are followed or that your family be kept informed when you die, get revived, and are in a coma” 🙄
Isn't she gonna die anyway if he doesn't do the surgery? He definetly make the right decision, shed have a couple months of horrible treatment and no baby to look forward to
The problem is that supposedly the baby only has a low chance of developing complications during the surgery. Low chance of killing the baby vs near guaranteed chances that she never wakes up.
Why does this hospital keeps Dr manning if she’s always questioning the rules? I don’t actually watch this show so I don’t know if she leaves. I only watch the clips
My mom friend found out she had stage 2 breast cancer and she was 3 months along in her pregnancy. She chose not to do treatment and continue the pregnancy. She and her son didn't make it. She left a 2 yr old daughter behind who ended up in foster care. Found out she is in rehab at the moment for drug addiction. I don't know what i would have done in her position but i would have taken her daughter wellbeing in to consideration. Such a tough issue. 😪
I mean it doesn't get any more of an impossible choice than this. For one choice is a dying wife and a dead baby, and the other choice is a living baby but a dead wife. Do you choose to save the love of your life knowing she's not going to be around for very long or do you choose to save the life the two of you created?
Except treating OVARIAN cancer involves removing the organs responsible for producing the eggs to make fetuses. And just an fyi that the hormonal meds used in ivf to stimulate fertilisation/pregnancy can make a tumour recurr
@@SharpForceTrauma if u choose to keep it, yes u refer to it as a baby because u plan on birthing it. Some people choose to not keep the fetus so they refer to it as a fetus because they dont plan on birthing it, so it wouldn't reach the infant/baby stage of development
In her case the chances of the cancer going into remission is pretty low around 17%, which pretty much means she wouldn’t have much time either way. Maybe if the cancer was diagnosed earlier, but even then typically it’s discovered at stage 3 cancer, which also has a low rate of survival. Ultimately even with the surgery she would only live a extra couple months not enough for a full pregnancy.
@@jenniferakagi247 a fetus can become viable at 24 weeks. they would probably push it a little farther, but even giving her two months means she can deliver at 29 weeks and get to meet her baby.
@@jenniferakagi247 yeah, a good friend of mine. She was diagnosed with stage 4 pancreatic cancer July 2017. After hearing her choices, she chose palliative care and spent time with her family. She passed the day after Christmas 2017.
whenever a baby or fetus is involved dr manning is always so judgemental, like he's not taking advantage of it, the risk to the fetus is small but his wife will die if it doesn't go on. IDK she always rubs me the wrong way like she's so bias towards anything baby even if it's the worst option for the actual patient
"up to the task" that's disgusting, up to the task of living with what *she* wanted for the rest of *his* life, while she's gone, nevermind what he wants...
Yeah, if you take advantage of being a surrogate decision maker to save the life of your partner over the *unborn* child that could possibly have medical issues from being born in the first place due to medical issues with the mother, I don't think anyone has the right to shame said person.
* asks the patient where she was, to assess her awareness * Proceeds to tell her where she was, 2 seconds later, before she could even process the question....
IKR I have epilepsy myself and when i get seizures my parents ask me questions to try to see how aware i am, and let me try to answer, but if i cant they tell me. I understand they were in a rushed situation, but sometimes you have to try and give the patient a minute or so to process if you want to know how bad the seizure is.
This is a situation where there really isn’t a correct answer. Save the baby or yourself. Risk losing both or just one, possibly die delivering one because you might not get another chance. I’m feeling dread just thinking about it, and I’m miles away from this scenario.
Makes it a bit easier when "save yourself" isn't a viable option I'd imagine. She was going to die from the cancer anyway, so it was more a case of "abort the baby and live a few months longer" or "have the baby and die earlier". To me to choice would be clear. If I'm going to die anyway I'm okay with that being sooner if it means my son gets a chance to live.
Torrey DeVito was great on this show. My favorite role of hers is probably Melissa Hastings on Pretty Little Liars. Her character was so bitchy and secretive but also protective of Spencer, I loved it. 😂
The maternal instinct is the strongest of all. Would you be angry if she three herself in front of a car to save her one week old infant? If not, then why be angry about women delaying treatment or refusing treatment to save her baby?
Honestly, I'm on the husband's side here. Now I'm not a parent, so sure you can say i don't know what it's like, but still, i can't understand letting yourself die to save a child who hasn't even been born yet. I mean, regardless of anything, that child will have to grow up without a parent. Their surviving parent will always carry the pain of a lost loved one, which could inadvertently cause coldness or distance between them and the child. The child may learn to blame themself for their parents' death. So many, many things. I say get the Cancer treated and go adopt a kid if it leaves you infertile or get a surrogate. You can still be a mother. Don't throw your life away.
Wie schrecklich für das Kind zu wissen das die eignen Mutter gestorben ist weil sie nicht wollte das ihrem kind also ihm etwas passiert. Als ich schwanger war habe ich alle möglichen Dramen durchgespielt hab allerdings mit niemandem darüber gesprochen.Die Mutter hat klargestellt was sie will, wieso glauben die Ärzte sich darüber hiwegsetzen zu können?
I’m 27 and have stage 4 cancer and recently I had a pregnancy scare and I honestly never considered stopping treatment to save the fetus. Like to be fair, it wasn’t with a long term partner and I didn’t want a child at the moment anyway, but if I was in fact pregnant and I wasn’t on cancer treatment I would have kept it. I just wasn’t going to risk stopping treatment and killing us both. Luckily I never had to make the decision because it turns out it was a false alarm. Damn hormones that get affected by pregnancy also get affected by cancer and chemo. 🙃
Its refreshing to see such a caring partner, who prioritizes his wife. Very often men choose the unborn child over an alive, fully-formed human being that is their wife.
you can describe the scenario the husband is going through as damned, if you do and damned, if you don't no matter what there will be a consequence to the husband actions, as I know it is a medical drama show, but somebody in real life could stand in the same situation with real life consequences and not something on paper
I can understand both povs. Personally, had that been me I also wouldve wanted my baby to be saved. But IRL, i already have 4 children who depend on me and need me to be alive for them. So if it happened to me today, right now, my life would take top priority over the unborn baby. Or rather, my living, breathing children would take top priority. There are no easy answers or decisions in cases like this. It all comes down to the fact that each situation is different and therefore requires different thought processes and decisions.
Scrolled the comments to find something like this. Ofc he loves HER but being a single dad without the loved woman is crazy! He would choose her as he loves her, not the baby! She is a hero. But at what cost?! His freedom and happy life? Crazy!
Personally, (and this is just my option so please nobody take offense) I feel that if a child is unborn and the mother’s life is in danger, the mother should be saved. The mother has family and friends who know her and love her. I just feel that a mother shouldn’t lose her life trying to produce a new one. Losing a baby is equally as tough and heartbreaking though. So this is just a horrible situation to be in, it’s sad to think there’s cases like this. Pray for miracles where both mother and baby can live. ❤
i don’t understand why anyone would risk dying from cancer to have a baby.. you’re going to die and either leave the baby motherless or you’re both going to die?? nobody wants to abort a healthy baby but jesus why is it always a kamikaze mission with these tv mothers
I'll never understand this drive to forgo care in favor of having a child. There's no guarantee that they'll continue your legacy and they may grow to hate you for choosing to leave them behind without you.
they say people who don't have kids are selfish, but how's this for selfish... Oh, I want to have a baby even though I'm about to die, so here hubby, you get to raise him alone while I peace out... you can console yourself that I got my last wish for the rest of your life which is now completely ruled by it...
That woman doctor should be fired and license revoked. She lets her feelings trump what is actually beneficial and then demonizing the innocent spouse.
That can’t be safe for a baby one way or the other. Even refusing treatment, so it don’t hurt the baby. The cancer itself can have an effect on the baby and put more stress on the child. Mom gets an infection, baby suffers. I’m normally pro life but in some situation when medically necessary it’s okay or should be to terminate a pregnancy. She could of gotten pregnant after she recovered from cancer treatment. Patients recovering from cancer are said to have to usually wait around a year after treatment ends before getting pregnant and having kids (my fiancé had lymphoma). Overall it’s not fair to the father cause he’ll have it all dumped on him after she dies if she even makes it to delivery the baby in time. I know it’s just a show but that’s what reality is
A friend of mine works as a nurse, and told me a story of how a patient she treated had severe liver cancer and was pregnant. She didn’t take chemo because she didn’t want to hurt the baby. Thankfully after her baby was born she began a rigorous treatment and entered remission. I wish all cases happened like that
Thats the closest one can get to a good situation all around. Mother lived long enough to deliver, child came out unharmed, and then the mother was able to be healthy enough to ungo chemo, which itself is a draining treatment to go through.
I am happy that your friend and her baby are all right now 🙂🙂
Chemo can be done during later pregnancy.
@@arianebolt1575 I would never advise that...
It is always depending on the type of cancer, the stage of the cancer and several other factors. This woman was already in stage 4 when she got pregnant. Even with treatment, the chance to heal is limited.
Its always confusing how the husband in these case scenarios is made out to be the villain but here he genuinely has a point. All he wants is for his wife to be healthy, thus providing a healthy environment for their baby. That is not taking advantage, that is a man who cares.
When you carry a baby/foetus inside your body for months and everything you do is to make sure it's healthy and not being harmed, what you eat, what your wear, how you sleep, everything, you will make different judgments than a guy, even if he loves you and the baby.
She has terminal cancer and she will die. The only way to make sense of this is to keep the baby healthy so it can live.
Manning meant the husband is taking advantage of the wife being in a coma so he can go against her wishes.
Cannot stand Manning though 🙂
Well he WAS the villain here. How would you feel if your husband told you "I don't respect your opinion, I think you're just talking like this because of a brain tumor. I want to disregard your wishes and do what I think is right"? She was clear before the brain tumor that she didn't want any intervention that could hurt the fetus. She was sticking to that same thought process, nothing had changed. He decided he could use the brain tumor as an excuse to push his agenda instead. We understand why he did it of course, he loves his wife and he doesn't want to lose her, but the way he went about it was scummy. He's not a bad person, but he was the villain here hands down.
@@ovinedreamer1451 by that logic everyone is a villian
I mean she was going to die either way that's the only reason she made the choice she did. The husband was delusional and thought she'd get better.
@@ovinedreamer1451 do you not think he was distraught and also not thinkong straight he was terrified of loosing the love of his life, he ended up sticking to what she wanted, that doesn't make him a villian it just makes him human, when emotions are involved your own brain tries different ways to cope, his in the terror of his wife going to die his brain made him think thar her thought process was affected by the tuma so then she coild be saved as she was not thinking like herself, the brain works in so many ways that are hard to understand.
Hence why so many people who have been abused often think it is their fault that they mau have brought it on themselves by doing something or trusting someone going somewhere private with someone etc sometimes the brain makes you think things that are not true to make you cope not sure what word to use, as someone who has had my drink spiked and lost track of everything waking up in a room with others, I blamed myself for letting anyone else get me drinks even though they were meant to be my friends friends I felt it was my fault bexause I had lightly flirted with one of them and let them pass me my drinks, if I had always opened my own drinks if I had kept more to myself then I wouldn't have had my drink spiked, I know some part of ne knows it wasn't my fault I still blamed myself so never talked about it, I know the video clip is entirely different but the way the brain sees things is sorta the same.
When I was pregnant I took every precaution but my husband and I both agreed that if at any point my life was in danger, save my life, it sound horrible and selfish but there’s always another chance for another baby, my life only has one chance.
Not horrible nor selfish. It's normal. Some women wish to protect the child alone like they show in movie. That's not wrong either. In these situations nothing's right or wrong. It's a wish. In your case, I am happy you chose yourself. The Gods will send the same soul to you again a second time because the children and mother are decided by fate. If that kid was meant to be your child, then it can only be your child.
You made the most sound, rational decision it's possible to make in my opinion. This is especially true if the couple already have children. Which do you think is going to be harder on your husband and your children--loosing an unborn child/sibling or losing their wife/mother. It is just selfish to prioritize the baby's life over than of the mother. In the absolute best situation, you're leaving your husband in the position of being the sole caregiver AND provider for the child. In the worst case, the father is now the sole caregiver and provider for multiple children who are now traumatized by the loss of their mother and might resent the new baby for "killing" mom. You have more of an obligation to the living than the unborn child.
So refreshing to encounter equal minded souls
That doesn't sound selfish at all to me.
Not selfish at all, reasonable. If you die and the baby lives, then it grows up without a mother and placing a hardship on the father because he'd then be raising the child alone in his grief. Parenting is hard enough already. You're not being selfish by thinking about the baby's and the father's futures.
I feel bad for the Husband. There is no right decision here: he either goes against her wishes and risks the life of his kid or he honours her wishes and she never wakes up.
He was literally in a situation where there is no right call. He risks the baby on hand. On the other his wife. Regardless of the outcome. He will have guilt.
During my 2nd year of training in Radiotherapy, we treated a pregnant lady. Stomach cancer that had spread to her spinal processes, causing a cord compression. The cancer symptoms were so similar to early pregnancy symptoms, she wasn’t diagnosed until it was too late. Unfortunately neither her or the baby made it, god bless them ❤👼
🥺😔😔
Someone I knew's wife had colon cancer that went unnoticed during pregnancy. Baby was delivered safely, but mom didn't last long.
This is so sad
😢
it’s so heartbreaking :(
I really loved how dr. Charles talked with the husband and understood him and his thinking he was want to protect both his baby and wife
My husband and I are expecting our second. We've had discussions at length about what to do if put in this situation.
As heartless as it sounds to the baby, we both agree that my life is more important, and that if there is a situation where we have to pick, I get priority.
If I started suddenly saying that I want the baby to take priority, my husband would know that I'm not in my right mind and would fight for me to get treatment.
That’s not heartless. That’s taking care of yourself and listening to your biology.
That doesn’t sound heartless to me, at all. It sounds like the right decision for you, personally, if you were put in such an impossible, heartbreaking situation.
good job i really respect you
Not heartless at all.
You would always choose the chicken over the egg, metaphorically.
On that situation, she completely disregarded the terrified husband of losing both his wife and the potential baby. The mother's feeling won't matter after she's dead or in a coma state. What will matter is the father coping and accepting fate.
Good on you honestly. You’ve lived a life, you have a kid who needs you and a family. You would not want to raise a kid with the pain of having no mother. Congrats on your second, wishing you well
This is just an ugly situation altogether. I don't like telling a someone if they should have a baby if they don't want it nor tell someone they shouldn't have a baby if they want it. Usually these set of circumstances don't happen often at the same time, but to get to this point, it just sucks.
I completely agree
I had to get tested for cervical cancer at 14 weeks. My dr told me you can do chemo in second and third trimesters. I always thought you had to choose between pregnancy and treatment but you can do both. Obviously there are risks but not as bad as you would think. Fortunantly i was fine 🙂
I'm so happy for you and your baby!! 🎉🎉🎊🎊
You did the chemo in the last part of the pregnancy? Well, my ask is: when you is a cancer pregnant, they do c section about to 37 weeks right? Or they do later? Like, 37 isn't too earlier, the baby don't need the NICU, they are fully formed and just reserving energy for the delivery.
I'm sorry, I have a million of questions, because that's a question that I always had, like, if the woman pregnant finds out a cancer? What they do?
I'm happy you and the baby are fine.
Best wishes for you 2.
@@fabianifigueira I can answer the ‘is 37 weeks too early?question. 37 weeks is classed as full term as the baby can breathe on their own outside of the womb. My daughter was 37 weeks and 2 days when I gave birth. While she did have reflux (caused by her digestive system not being quite finished developing when she was born) and was born a little jaundiced, she was perfectly fine to come with me the same day. Generally babies born at 37 weeks are full term and don’t need any additional treatment. Though they might still have the hair their bodies are covered in while in the womb. My daughter had fluffy ears for a few weeks after birth because of this lol
Sending you a hug
I hate how the doctor was so quick to call the husband's power of attorney a breach when it's clear he is only doing what the situation demands without any other options available plus he and his wife agreed to do treatment if the cancer spread too fast as it was so he wasn't in violation at all and trying to save both her and the baby. Unlike other patients and their spouses where the doctors have been right they infringed on their rights or did some questionable things, this husband was genuinely at a loss and had to choose what he believed would try to help even if it had the chance of killing his wife or his baby. He was heartbroken and I can't blame him for what he decided.
I completely agree with you it’s in those situations that are the hardest.
Him and his wife agrees to not take treatment off the table, not completely agreed to do it. Very different.
❤🙏🏻
Exactly. Especially since nothing they said indicated the surgery would put the baby at a significant risk for injury. Who knows. Surgery obviously wouldn’t have been a cure for the cancer but it could have allowed her the ability to meet her baby and perhaps persue additional treatment options after delivery. Saying no to the surgery seems to guarantee that she’ll only ever be an incubator with no other future after the delivery.
@@TysMommy609 And I noticed that unlike others in the show who seem to prioritize the baby or the mother over the other, this guy isn't choosing either. He's so afraid of the situation that he doesn't know what to do. He neither wants the baby or his wife at risk but making the decision of what is necessary is tearing him. You can genuinely see his panic as he's forced to pick an option he knows she wasn't sure about because he was frightened of losing both.
In the other cases, they either want the baby because it's "what she would have wanted" or they want the wife and just go "we can try again later." He doesn't do that which is why I don't like how the doctor was claiming he was like the others. He's just a scared husband caught in a bad situation. His decision is most likely what anyone else would have done.
Its a tough situation. So scary for both parties. My husband would be caught exactly the same way. However, we have 3 children, and my husband would prioritize me. Its such a difficult situation.
I had an aunt who died before I was born, during WWII. She had Hodgkins disease, and was pregnant. She didn't get all the drugs, to protect the baby. My cousin was born, and his mom died about two months later. Her husband was here, but in the Army. His wife being dead, he was sent overseas and died in the Battle of the Bulge. So my cousin was an orphan when less than a year old.
this is absolutely terrible, i sincerely hope your cousin is living his best life in the name of his amazing parents 🥺
How is your cousin doing now?
@@CitizenofGallifrey He passed a few years ago when he was seventy. Never married, he was raised by his paternal aunt. In his pictures he looked very much like an uncle of mine, his bio mom's brother.
"I know what she would want me to do, I just...uh..."
"You're terrified."
Sometimes you just need to feel seen and understood.
I love how most of the comments are demonizing the husband for having emotions and not wanting to lose his wife. Love how everyone says the wife is absolutely fine and everything she says is clear headed, when in reality most of it is literally just emotions dialed to 11, which is the same case for the husband who doesn't want to lose the baby or his wife
I love how they pretend insurance would ever pay for brain surgery on a terminal cancer patient.
A pregnant terminal cancer patient.
In every other country except for the US they would 🤭
@@prissylovejoy702 They still would not pay.
@@ellihorn6554 Maybe those countries like throwing good money after bad but considering I just watched the press conference about a 37 yr old woman who just died in another country (I think Australia) while waiting for over 6hrs in the ER still undiagnosed it is hard to imagine they would be rushing someone off to brain surgery there hours after arrival.
@@MA-mh1vs The ER works by trying to determine which case is more urgent. Unfortunately, that sometimes means people will wait because it doesn't seem urgent.
What is different is that countries with universal healthcare have layers. You don't go to the hospital, you go see a doctor at your clinic. If there is concern for more serious issues, they will refer you. But for most mundane things, they are more than enough.
Moreover, there is a limit to how much they would pay.
The pregnant woman really wasn't thinking clearly, because if she was, she'd know that her baby had as much chance of being born as she had of surviving cancer without treatment. It's either gamble on birth defects caused by exposure to anesthesia, or gamble on her son's life by dying of cancer. One of those has a small chance of being bad and the other is guaranteed to cost you two lives out of stupidity and stubbornness.
She didn't have much chance of surviving with treatment.
No, because frankly at 21 weeks the baby is already viable. For a woman who has pretty much zero chance of survival, keeping her alive a few more weeks allows for more development. They can even give medication to help the baby's lungs to develop more quickly. This baby absolutely woul survive.
@@annebodee except they addressed this on other episodes that they won’t count a child as being viable untill 26 weeks minumam
@@annebodee 23-24 weeks is the current threshold of viability. A fetus of 21 weeks isn't viable.
@@annebodeea 21 week old fetus it's not viable. It has to be at least 23-24 weeks to become viable.
I still remember hearing them tell my mom her cancer metastisized ... But for this woman to hear it while she's pregnant.. I can't imagine
I’m really sorry about your mom 😢
Whose gonna tell her that her baby is gonna have a much better chance having a little anesthesia than being born 21 weeks along because his mom died from her brain tumor seizures?
actually they wouldnt attempt to resus the baby at 21 weeks, so it would be classed as a late term miscarriage
she's not gonna die, her brain is gonna die. they literally spelled it out in the video that they were gonna keep her in a vegetative state as a human incubator until the baby was big enough to deliver. try to keep up!
@@zilesis1 except this doesnt account for the high risk of infection, the fact she can't feed herself, regulate her temperature, her organs will start to deteriorate, her hormones will spiral, the clotting issues, the fact they can't regulate the respinse the meds will have to the baby. So yes, she will die because your brain is responsible for every function in your body and if it goes, the baby, even with a ventilator is no guarentee
@@cloudedcolour5329 it's fairly common for pregnant patients in an irreversible coma to carry to term
plus, by your logic, patient's who are in comas for many years should all be rotten on the inside because their organs failed
she's not gonna die without the surgery, she'll just be braindead for the 6-8 weeks it takes for the baby to grow to term
A 21-week fetus isn't viable in any circumstance.
I hated dr manning. She always acted like this when it came to kids. No matter what the family wished she always made her own choices. If she were my doctor I would demand she be off my case.
Hated? You know this is a tv show, right?
@carlakenyon6073 strongly disliked might be better. I was just happy when she was removed from the show.
How can anybody hate on the husband I would’ve done the exact same thing
I was in the hospital 8 months pregnant trying not to have surgery because my gallbladder was infected. After 2 weeks of antibiotics and round the clock blood work and care my gallbladder started to leak poison into my bloodstream. One morning after blood work had been done 2 surgeons busted into my room. It was literally 6am and I couldn’t keep nothing down. They said I was dying and that by that afternoon both the baby and I would be dead if I didn’t consent to surgery. They explained all the precautions they would take and all the teams that would be in there to assure our safety. I said yes and went through with it. So I had major abdominal surgery at the end of my pregnancy. Whenever pregnant you can’t have the less evasive version. I had to have the good old fashioned scalpel and wedge. I woke up with a long drain tube and bulb sticking out my side and I spent 2 more weeks in hospital recovering from infection in my bloodstream and a wonderful liquid diet. Having staples across your stomach whenever your baby moves and kicks isn’t fun but worth it if it means we lived.
What a powerful story. I'm so glad you won the battle
Glad you made it through. My friend had her appendix removed when she was pregnant.
I’m so very glad you both made it! ❤
Why didn't they deliver the baby when you were already 8 months. Babies much younger survive. Unless this was decades ago, that's strange to me (especially since they've been removing gallbladder laproscopally for a long time).
@@annebodeeif a baby is born early there is a high chance that they are not fully developed. Babies who are born months early often have to spend time in the NICU. They just wanted to give the baby a best chance a living a healthy life
Find it ironic how i have the same name as the woman and my mother had cancer while pregnant with me. She couldn’t have any treatment during the pregnancy and passed away when i was 10 months old the day after my sisters 12th birthday 🫠
I am sorry you and your sister lost your Mom to cancer. 💕
Aww I’m so sorry
Cancer is horrible. This is not one courageous mother but also a courageous futur single dad....and a kid born without a mother.
There is no villain. This is grief talking through him. He loves his wife. In some way he loves the baby too, but a man is disconnected from the baby until birth, unlike the mother who feels the child everyday inside of her. His thoughts, wants, needs are not the same as his wife. Her first thought is to protect her child, an instinct that is natural once you become pregnant. Maybe that is lack of reasoning on her part, to protect someone she has never met over the her husband. This must be so emotionally difficult and there is no villain, there is no selfishness, both feel very different things. There is no right or wrong here. If anyone is ever in this situation, i suggest a documented letter, so spouse has to make this decision.
this is the second time i saw a pregnant woman with cancer on tv. the first woman was on a show called Call The Midwives; she came in the clinic for a check up and a midwife saw she was bleeding and feeling uncomfortable so the doctor took a test to see what she had. Eventually, they told her that she had cervical cancer and needed a hysterectomy in order to prevent the cancer from spreading. At first she didn’t want the operation but she eventually had the surgery and though she’s heartbroken, her husband, who didn’t know about it until much later in the episode, forgave her.
Which episode of CTM was that? I love the show and only kinda remember that one.
Yes I’ve seen that episode - it’s in the new series and I feel it really showed the bond that the sisters and nurses develop with their patients
What needed to be forgiven?
@@thepinkestpigglet7529 i cant remember but i believe it was the fact she never told him she had cancer or the fact they can’t have children anymore because of what needed to be done
@@datgaydangernoodle1315 I love that show too (also inspires me to become a midwife). also it’s season 11 episode 2
The actors and scripts on this show are excellent.
The husband was so casual about the cancer. "Maybe she's cirrhotic?" "No, she has cancer."
Probably bc this became his new normal, of course he won’t have that shock factor anymore.
@@dancingdevil9965 I got that after watching the video further. It was stage 4, so she'd likely had it for a while.
@@saraflint2982 They said afterwards though that they'd found out about it when she was about three months along, so 12 weeks. At 21 weeks that would only be a few months later.
No he was factual not casual
Also, and it's an easy mistake to make, but it was 'serotic' not 'cirrhotic' - 'serotic' just means there's cellular fluid in the abdomen, which is probably something they've dealt with before since they knew she had cancer already. Unfortunately the two are pronounced nearly identically!
I have seen so many Clips of this show no and Dr. Manning is just the worst, no empathy whatsoever towards the husband who had to make an impossibly painful choice who clearly wasn't acting maliciously or selfishly but just trying to keep his wife alive. She is so quick to judgement in so many instances it´s really ofputting, but seems to be the case with many of the cast like the young black nurse as well.
I mean.. you think seizures are good for the baby!? Or the fluid crushing her womb!? Heck, at that rate, she wouldn't survive long enough for the baby to come to term.
Personally, I'll never understand why you would choose to give up your life to birth a new one.
Because that's what mothers do. Maternal instinct is the strongest instinct of all. I absolutely would choose to save my baby even if it cost me my life.
@@annebodee maternal instinct is most definitely not “the strongest”, if anything it’s mixed with delusion. So you’d rather have your baby live without it’s mother? When there are plenty of other chances of having a baby? Interesting.
@@annebodeematernal instinct is not the strongest, but I don't digress, you'd rather give up something that hasn't been born yet and leave a grieving father to raise a child on his own?
I died for 13 minutes 2week after open heart surgery, needed a second Emergency OHS, was in a coma after and my advanced directive was 100% ignored they refused to even speak to my husband/decision maker. I should have sued.
Yeah, I hate to say it but you’re still alive enough to tell us the story that you had died for 13 minutes two weeks ago or so to tell us that they ignore your advanced directive
@@vlsice2024 learn to read. I didn’t say two weeks ago. I said two weeks after having an open heart surgery.
Even so, I don’t see what point you’re trying to make by saying that. That because I lived through cardiac arrest and a coma, and years later I can talk about it, that for some reason that means my advanced directive shouldn’t have been followed?
@@vlsice2024 keep that same energy if you ever go through a major medical event that leaves you incapacitated. “It doesn’t matter that your wishes are followed or that your family be kept informed when you die, get revived, and are in a coma” 🙄
Isn't she gonna die anyway if he doesn't do the surgery? He definetly make the right decision, shed have a couple months of horrible treatment and no baby to look forward to
The problem is that supposedly the baby only has a low chance of developing complications during the surgery. Low chance of killing the baby vs near guaranteed chances that she never wakes up.
He is a good husband!
Why does this hospital keeps Dr manning if she’s always questioning the rules?
I don’t actually watch this show so I don’t know if she leaves. I only watch the clips
Literally all of the doctors on this show are the exact same way. The hospital can’t fire all of their doctors
(Spoilers) she does leave after she gave trial medication to her mother and the hospital figures it out.
I suppose she does have point, then again so does Charles and the admin. This is muddy, legally speaking.
@@SharpForceTrauma Not to mention I would imagine there are professional ethical standards to consider.
The husband is such an amazing actor. I've watched this clip several times. It always tugs at my heart. 💜💔
Has anyone noticed how nat always over steps in every patient bc she thinks she knows best but criticizes everyone else who does the same
Poor Kalib 😢 Anyone would be scared. I hope I never have to go through anything like this
My mom friend found out she had stage 2 breast cancer and she was 3 months along in her pregnancy. She chose not to do treatment and continue the pregnancy. She and her son didn't make it. She left a 2 yr old daughter behind who ended up in foster care. Found out she is in rehab at the moment for drug addiction. I don't know what i would have done in her position but i would have taken her daughter wellbeing in to consideration. Such a tough issue. 😪
I mean it doesn't get any more of an impossible choice than this. For one choice is a dying wife and a dead baby, and the other choice is a living baby but a dead wife. Do you choose to save the love of your life knowing she's not going to be around for very long or do you choose to save the life the two of you created?
3:49 sorry for laughing but that nurse just took the pillow AWAY from that poor neck
That's stupid. Keep her alive, and if she gets cured, she can have many babies. Letting her die to deliver one baby is stupid.
Except treating OVARIAN cancer involves removing the organs responsible for producing the eggs to make fetuses. And just an fyi that the hormonal meds used in ivf to stimulate fertilisation/pregnancy can make a tumour recurr
Dr Manning was always too emotional when babies and kids were involved.
St Gianna Molla was pregnant with cancer. She gave her life for her child.
I miss the Chicago shows. 😪 Peacock took them all.
Mine still have them. Have you double checked?
The woman choosing to refer the fetus by name and continuing to do so, this is just so powerful.
The baby*
It's a human. Don't sugarcoat it. But yes, it is quite powerful.
@@SharpForceTrauma Fetus just means unborn human older than eight weeks but not born yet.
@@SharpForceTrauma it’s a fetus bro, now matter how u may feel about it
@@SharpForceTrauma if u choose to keep it, yes u refer to it as a baby because u plan on birthing it. Some people choose to not keep the fetus so they refer to it as a fetus because they dont plan on birthing it, so it wouldn't reach the infant/baby stage of development
@Drake Blackley there is nothing wrong with using the word fetus. Baby is a term of endearment
Where did that nurse just leave that contaminated needle!!!?????????? On the counter!!??????
It's a difficult choice but to save the mother they can have another child but on the other hand both is difficult
In her case the chances of the cancer going into remission is pretty low around 17%, which pretty much means she wouldn’t have much time either way. Maybe if the cancer was diagnosed earlier, but even then typically it’s discovered at stage 3 cancer, which also has a low rate of survival. Ultimately even with the surgery she would only live a extra couple months not enough for a full pregnancy.
@@jenniferakagi247 Exactly. Plus, even if she went in remission, it is ovarian cancer. The chance for her to get pregnant again would be non-existent.
@@jenniferakagi247 a fetus can become viable at 24 weeks. they would probably push it a little farther, but even giving her two months means she can deliver at 29 weeks and get to meet her baby.
@@jenniferakagi247 yeah, a good friend of mine. She was diagnosed with stage 4 pancreatic cancer July 2017. After hearing her choices, she chose palliative care and spent time with her family. She passed the day after Christmas 2017.
Even then, I don't think she'd be fertile afterwards, depending on her age and how chemo can hurt your body while getting rid of the cancer.
You don’t give 2 mg of Ativan IM or intramuscular you would give it intravenously that way you have an immediate response.
Very good but thankfully she is okay and the babby is okay I think I don't know and I am glad that the husband said yes to the surgery
whenever a baby or fetus is involved dr manning is always so judgemental, like he's not taking advantage of it, the risk to the fetus is small but his wife will die if it doesn't go on. IDK she always rubs me the wrong way like she's so bias towards anything baby even if it's the worst option for the actual patient
"up to the task" that's disgusting, up to the task of living with what *she* wanted for the rest of *his* life, while she's gone, nevermind what he wants...
Yeah, if you take advantage of being a surrogate decision maker to save the life of your partner over the *unborn* child that could possibly have medical issues from being born in the first place due to medical issues with the mother, I don't think anyone has the right to shame said person.
* asks the patient where she was, to assess her awareness
* Proceeds to tell her where she was, 2 seconds later, before she could even process the question....
IKR
I have epilepsy myself and when i get seizures my parents ask me questions to try to see how aware i am, and let me try to answer, but if i cant they tell me.
I understand they were in a rushed situation, but sometimes you have to try and give the patient a minute or so to process if you want to know how bad the seizure is.
Why is maning still working here. She dosent seem to understand her job
This is a situation where there really isn’t a correct answer. Save the baby or yourself. Risk losing both or just one, possibly die delivering one because you might not get another chance. I’m feeling dread just thinking about it, and I’m miles away from this scenario.
Makes it a bit easier when "save yourself" isn't a viable option I'd imagine. She was going to die from the cancer anyway, so it was more a case of "abort the baby and live a few months longer" or "have the baby and die earlier". To me to choice would be clear. If I'm going to die anyway I'm okay with that being sooner if it means my son gets a chance to live.
If magnesium is given intravenously the ativan should've been given the same way. It would have worked far faster.
Torrey DeVito was great on this show. My favorite role of hers is probably Melissa Hastings on Pretty Little Liars. Her character was so bitchy and secretive but also protective of Spencer, I loved it. 😂
I know. Every time she came on screen I was like "Melissa!"
I haven’t seen her in anything yet that she wasn’t terrific.
Aww yes she was so good ❤I found all seven seasons on Hulu and now on season three
I can’t stop watching their vjds
LOVE this show!!
Heartbreaking but the right decision, dollowing his wife's wishes.
there are WAY too many "woman sacrifices herself for baby" episodes in these shows. enough is enough.
The love of a mother is inspiring - why are you pressed?
The maternal instinct is the strongest of all. Would you be angry if she three herself in front of a car to save her one week old infant? If not, then why be angry about women delaying treatment or refusing treatment to save her baby?
Why? I love those
The way she just gave the Magnesium freaks me out-
What an awful situation :/
Honestly, I'm on the husband's side here. Now I'm not a parent, so sure you can say i don't know what it's like, but still, i can't understand letting yourself die to save a child who hasn't even been born yet. I mean, regardless of anything, that child will have to grow up without a parent. Their surviving parent will always carry the pain of a lost loved one, which could inadvertently cause coldness or distance between them and the child. The child may learn to blame themself for their parents' death. So many, many things. I say get the Cancer treated and go adopt a kid if it leaves you infertile or get a surrogate. You can still be a mother. Don't throw your life away.
you try to save both
Wie schrecklich für das Kind zu wissen das die eignen Mutter gestorben ist weil sie nicht wollte das ihrem kind also ihm etwas passiert. Als ich schwanger war habe ich alle möglichen Dramen durchgespielt hab allerdings mit niemandem darüber gesprochen.Die Mutter hat klargestellt was sie will, wieso glauben die Ärzte sich darüber hiwegsetzen zu können?
Curious for the doctors out there. In this scenario, Is there any chance of the cancer affecting the baby?
possible they are rare cases when the baby can get the cancer from the mother
I love how every er case needs a psych eval
Have you been to the ER?
It's because the main character does psych evals.
@@joshuahudson2170 thank you captain obvious.
I’m 27 and have stage 4 cancer and recently I had a pregnancy scare and I honestly never considered stopping treatment to save the fetus. Like to be fair, it wasn’t with a long term partner and I didn’t want a child at the moment anyway, but if I was in fact pregnant and I wasn’t on cancer treatment I would have kept it. I just wasn’t going to risk stopping treatment and killing us both. Luckily I never had to make the decision because it turns out it was a false alarm. Damn hormones that get affected by pregnancy also get affected by cancer and chemo. 🙃
Stay strong girl!
I'm hoping you are doing alright. I'm am so sorry you are going through. Stay strong and don't lose hope.
Its refreshing to see such a caring partner, who prioritizes his wife. Very often men choose the unborn child over an alive, fully-formed human being that is their wife.
I hate this show, BUT I LOVE THE UA-cam SHORTS OF IT!
you can describe the scenario the husband is going through as damned, if you do and damned, if you don't no matter what there will be a consequence to the husband actions, as I know it is a medical drama show, but somebody in real life could stand in the same situation with real life consequences and not something on paper
the actor was great at that seizure while speaking!
The husband doesn’t want to lose his wife, and he doesn’t want to lose his baby. Hard, hard spot.
I can understand both povs. Personally, had that been me I also wouldve wanted my baby to be saved. But IRL, i already have 4 children who depend on me and need me to be alive for them. So if it happened to me today, right now, my life would take top priority over the unborn baby. Or rather, my living, breathing children would take top priority. There are no easy answers or decisions in cases like this. It all comes down to the fact that each situation is different and therefore requires different thought processes and decisions.
...well this one broke me. 😭
My grandmother was also recently diagnosed with stage 4 ovarian cancer.
im sorry
I could never be a healthcare worker
I would get too attached to people too easily
This Was Such A Powerful And Emotional And Sad Episode I Am Praying For This Women And Her Husband 🙏🙏🙏🙏
😂not real people
If She's in a coma, then they don't need anaesthesia, right? She's already unconscious.
There’s always the chance that she’ll wake up during the surgery
Except being in a coma doesn’t mean you have your nerve endings blocked from pain
Starting my bachelor of science soon this show made me want to go into emergency medicine or psychiatry
Scrolled the comments to find something like this. Ofc he loves HER but being a single dad without the loved woman is crazy! He would choose her as he loves her, not the baby! She is a hero. But at what cost?! His freedom and happy life? Crazy!
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my gf is a cancer survivor
I wish you all the best
sorry guys help her believe me trust me this my story
The husband referring to her as a human incubator is being cruel.
Wow that's a miracle, no one can survive a liver cancer.
So selfish to dump a child and run
This isn’t a dump and run situatiob
Shes so brave❤️
I hope baby Elijah survived
It’s a tv show not real life…
@@moniquedowney9637 You can still care about fictional characters.
Personally, (and this is just my option so please nobody take offense) I feel that if a child is unborn and the mother’s life is in danger, the mother should be saved. The mother has family and friends who know her and love her. I just feel that a mother shouldn’t lose her life trying to produce a new one. Losing a baby is equally as tough and heartbreaking though. So this is just a horrible situation to be in, it’s sad to think there’s cases like this. Pray for miracles where both mother and baby can live. ❤
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i don’t understand why anyone would risk dying from cancer to have a baby.. you’re going to die and either leave the baby motherless or you’re both going to die?? nobody wants to abort a healthy baby but jesus why is it always a kamikaze mission with these tv mothers
She was already pregnant when she got diagnosis
@Whitneypyant yeah, and she’s refused to treat the cancer to give birth to the baby the entire time
Screenwriters
I'll never understand this drive to forgo care in favor of having a child. There's no guarantee that they'll continue your legacy and they may grow to hate you for choosing to leave them behind without you.
I do. A weighty decision I hope to never have to make.
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some woman have wanted kids since they were children. She knew this would be her only chance,, given her condition
Dr manning is wrong. It’s best they chose desi not the baby.
Actually that’s the parents choice
they say people who don't have kids are selfish, but how's this for selfish... Oh, I want to have a baby even though I'm about to die, so here hubby, you get to raise him alone while I peace out... you can console yourself that I got my last wish for the rest of your life which is now completely ruled by it...
Great show yall
That woman doctor should be fired and license revoked. She lets her feelings trump what is actually beneficial and then demonizing the innocent spouse.
That can’t be safe for a baby one way or the other. Even refusing treatment, so it don’t hurt the baby. The cancer itself can have an effect on the baby and put more stress on the child. Mom gets an infection, baby suffers. I’m normally pro life but in some situation when medically necessary it’s okay or should be to terminate a pregnancy. She could of gotten pregnant after she recovered from cancer treatment. Patients recovering from cancer are said to have to usually wait around a year after treatment ends before getting pregnant and having kids (my fiancé had lymphoma). Overall it’s not fair to the father cause he’ll have it all dumped on him after she dies if she even makes it to delivery the baby in time. I know it’s just a show but that’s what reality is
The husband making the wrong call
It’s his call right now
Conga on 200k🎉
How is that psychiatrist billing for his time I wonder...
He’s salaried by the hospital, the patients don’t individually pay him for the session