Felt like a kid in a candy store with this one, I am just a geeky nerd when it comes to craftsmanship like this, I notice the fine details and really do appreciate the small things like these on a bike. It was refreshing and at one point found my self just like forgetting I was filming while really looking at the rear stays lol. Very cool bike cant wait to see it all built up
Absolutely stunning quality, I'm excited that Mappdec said they have new models landing very soon sometime in '24. I purchased a 2019 Time Fluidity funnily enough with a Hambini pro BB installed from a guy during the Covid Era, from when they were still in the France factory (their old endurance build that is rumoured to be coming back in '24) in the raw/gloss carbon finish and they are works of art. I think Time will slowly bleed into the NA market now with the NA website and soon to be factory. My only gripe is I love the look of my '19 that has pretty much no paint and just shows that exposed carbon look. I hope they bring more of that back than the paint jobs.
Have fun with it. Top tips for the build. 1. The seatpost clamp benefits from a light sand arround the lip to take the edge off. 2. Cutting the Kevlar steerer needs to be finished with a 400 grit sand so the Kevlar fibres don’t fray. Try and sand in one direction 3. There is not much room for cables at the BB with a Hambini so you may want to run one cable above and one below. You might need to remove the cable guide. 4. Routing the front brake hose is a bit hard. Good luck.
@@Mapdeckind of comes off a bit toolish, “try and sand in one direction” “front brake is hard to run” it has a literal cable guide in there. Just seemed lack of respect, if that’s you trying to help I appreciate it but also I’ve been doing this for over 12 years building integrated road bikes for a long time and I could figure out how to run a brake cable and di2 wire around a hambini bb
@@MapdecI don't think you should even talk to this guy. He doesn't even come close to your level. This guy is basically a salesman that can perform some mechanical work but is not at the level of a full service bike store. Just look at the "tool" he uses to measure the bottom bracket. He's mainly working as a dealer for different bike companies. You can tell by the way he responds to your help. He's arrogant and not open for learning from others. You simply wanted to help him out but he responded with sarcasm and defensive. That's the last thing we need in the industry, especially among people that may have some influence in it.
I bought one after sending two frame sets back to a well known manufacturer with Q.C. issues. For those that say it looks dated, I like that it doesn't look like a ubiquitous drop seat stay kamn tail road bike. Lastly in Europe they are comparatively good value as they don't attract 'dumping duties' from Asia.
I gifted myself this exact frame last year for my birthday, added Look Keo Blades and love love love to ride this bike. It's quick, it's fast, it's like dancing every time I get on it.
I have a 2018 time izon, it’s one of the smoothest bike I own, I almost like to say faster but that could be just the kid in me. Currently own Cervelo soloist, s1, and focus cayo2 so my sample size is rather small but sure love the look of the fiber weave.👍
I have one of those (with rim brakes, blue and a Hambini bb)... The weight is 6,2Kg with pedals and cages! The quality and tolerances are perfect!!! An example for all the other brands because they all should be obliged to present a product according to the price we pay...
@@GCPerformance18 Are you planning on running retaining compound to set the Hambini bb? I have a Wheels Manufacturing screw together bb in mine that was recommended by Contender Bike Shop where I bought it. Used grease and she’s been quiet for over a year now with no maintenance. No creaks. Spins a beaut.
Another commenter here has mentioned Mapdec cycles for Time builds, they're definitely worth a look before you get stuck into the build, he takes you through the manual and the build process, there are a few things worth keeping an eye out for with such a special and beautiful frame.
This is an exquisite work of art. The person who gets this bike is very fortunate and hopefully they can enjoy it with some lovely 28C rims. What an absolute beauty! That red is gorgeous too. 🫡
I would like to see them offer clearance for a 32c tire. Going from a 28 to 32 tire lowers pressures quite a bit and is more comfortable. Most rim brake bikes will take a 28c tire so if I have to deal with the fussy nature of disc brakes, I'd appreciate some additional functionality of accepting 32c tires.
I reckon Time is the only company that can get away with a bit heavier frame as the build quality is on an entirely different level. How does it ride? I am buying this soon.
@@tonyg3091 Yes, I get the impression that Time's focus is on strength and stiffness over weight. There are different ways of making bikes faster up hills... I have been the proud owner of a @Mapdec built one of these in the gloss black clearcoat since this summer and the ride quality is out of this world. It's outrageously stiff but doesn't beat you up and handles really well.
Grant,i have those C0-Efficient handlebars in 38mm they are super comfy and very fast as you can switch positions and are very light.....got them on my Elves Falath Pro...
yea for me, I am huge looks guy so those bars are a no go for me, I am sure they are amazing and work well, but I like the bike to have clean lines, I have to like the look of what I am riding lol
Time is the best. I’ve owned a Scylon, currently on an ADH01. The ride feel of the bcs is just like my steel bike. Just way more sharp. Both of the bikes really came alive at speed. Handling is literally just point and shoot. You don’t have to think about what it’s doing. It just follows what you want it to do. So good.
12:57 Engineer here. These things you'd measure with an "internal 3-point micrometer." The measurement informs your choice of retaining compound (Loctites depending on gap after measuring the BB shell). I went with Si595 here btw. and Rotor's. -- The move to BSA I find suboptimal because its diameter is 37mm which doesn't leave much room for sleeved BBs for 30mm axles.
What do you think about Hambini's BSA BB for cranksets with 30 mm spindles? As they house 6806 bearings, they're basically relatively oversized compared to pretty much any other BSA BB specced for this spindle diameter.
@@yonglingng5640Hambini makes those particular bbs out steel or titanium for a reason, but as far as I know, no one else does. Is it really a good design if the most expensive bb on the market is the only one designed to work properly?
Absolutely stunning quality from Time! I might not really be a fan of pure climbing bikes like this, especially this bike, to me it looks little dated. But I do hope that this bike pushes the bike industry to higher quality and craftsmanship standards!
Dated, yup.. i guess its on purpose. As most of time owner i saw probably an old timer, very experienced rider. Those group of people surely got no issue with this kinda styling? 🤷🏾
@@tonyg3091I have the ADH21, geo is almost identical to the Specialized Allez Elite it replaced so yeah it’s more of an all round geo. But it’s light, handles amazing and unless you’re racing who really needs everything to be full on aero? I put some aero wheels (50mm) on mine which should somewhat make up for whatever the frame might be lacking.
@@GCPerformance18 Mapdec (sp?) on youtube who sells Look and Time said there is a new Scylon and other models coming very soon. It does look a bit dated.
Great frames, I do feel you about the looks of it; only the word TIME on the downtube would be sufficiënt for me. On the other hand they do have something to be proud of!
yea when I was building up this bike I was un impressed with how many snags and un clean the inside is every wire would snag something inside the frame
Fitting Hambini BB into this frame is only a waste of money, any good quality bearings will run smoothly in such a precise BB shell. Hambini's BB is a problem solver, but Time frame have no problem 😉
The build quality is above every brand. Only the chainstay stays inside the frame need some dremeling to make the hydraulic brake cable fit. This was an issue on a 2023 model, the new models should be fixed. Otherwise building up these frames are a pleasure, and the ride is excellent, tho on the stiffer side.
I never had to dremel any other frames I have built on the inside so we will see how this goes when building up, for a frame that has such high QC expectations, I think that is pretty lame if that is true.
I have that same exact frame set that I built up with dura ace and this is my favorite bike so far. My last bike was a red filante SLR btw. Build it with the one piece Deda Alanera bars. The nicest for this frame IMO
@@GCPerformance18 very comfortable and solid feeling. Feels snappy as my prior Wilier but just more solid feeling. I’m a big dude and this frame just inspires more confidence to me. Also no creaks haha. I do have a Hambini BB on mine as well. The other thing I noticed is that the brakes were really easy to setup and get centered. On my Wilier it was a PITA because the flat mounts were not faced properly.
@@ARGINH Interesting. I am still on 2012 Cento Uno SL and thinking about new ride. Either Time ADH or Filante... There is a word Filante is comfortable for an "aero" bike. Was Filante faster than Time, or you don't think so? Thanks!
yea I was tlaking with hambini, I think they are already getting working on it over there now, would be cool to have some american made bikes out there
I bought one of these and it puts all my prior bikes to shame. SL6, emonda slr, nothing comes close in ride quality. Not the lightest bike, but the ride quality is ridiculous.
to me I still like the big name brands and look of them, but if time can take the tech and finishing work to a very nice aero bike, and make it look like the modern bikes of today it would be something for us to consider lol ;)
The reason for the "modern" monocoque construction is weight reduction, because it eliminates bonds between parts. But it comes at a huge cost in other areas, like reliability (of the process)and QC issues, and seems to be much more manual labor. Whereas the woven Carbob-fiber (+ other fibers) tubes as Time uses is a more automated process that should avoid issues like voids and wrinkling that are largely caused by the use of "pre-preg" carbon-fiber pieces in monocoque frames.
@@lukewalker1051 Most of the carbon frames out there are NOT one piece constructions tho. The fact that you don't see the joints doesnt mean they are not there.
I will only buy Time pedals (carbon 12) I really like their products. There is an aerospace company in Utah making carbon fiber parts for satellites. Currently they are also producing a new type of carbon wheelsets. Carbon heat infused nylon. Polymers break down and are brittle. I just cracked a rear 40mm carbon wheel. The company also intends to make bicycle frames in the future. The equipment is very expensive. I think I’ll hold off and wait for the new frame.
@@GCPerformance18 yeah but they work so well.. Lol 😂 As an engineer, I really really don’t care about popularity. Whatever works well. The problem with cycling is we don’t get top level engineering. The money isn’t there. Nice to see some smart guys doing it for the love of cycling though….
Time Bicycles announced that they recently acquired a 140,000 square-foot factory in Landrum, South Carolina, and will begin manufacturing their carbon fiber bikes there by 2024.
Yes the workmanship from Time is without peer. But like you the style is not something for me....then again pretty much none of the new carbon bikes light any flames of passion in me. I am at a point now after 35+ years of road riding that I have to say nothing excites these days. I think my final bike will likely be a return to Steel or maybe Titanium. 🤔 Thanks for the show!
"even the outside facing of it"?? Are you kidding? That is the most important facing on the bottom bracket shell in regards to having free spinning and long lasting ball bearings.
For my money, threaded BBs molded into carbon frames look like a regression. (I got two PF carbon MTBs for years now, no problem BTW). The added 100g for the alu shell aside, is this the answer we get from brands who are not able or interested in making BB holes to spec? What with head tubes? In a few years time, are we going back to threaded headsets too, because they are seemingly too hard to execute as well? /s.
I think they are, but I dont think companies could deal with the lack of qc and reoccuring issues customers were having, I think the pf bb is a better system, I really enjoyed the osbb system on the specialized bikes when we used epoxy on there, smaller crank spindles closer to the frame would give you more power and less loss of it from the longer spindle and further away from the frame...... I just dont know why they were having os many issues but also they have to rely on shops to install them right as well... t47 threaded is the closes to this platform
Given the number of failures due to headtube steerer issues, you may want to take that comment back. People with unrideable Cannondales may take issue with this. M Van de Poel might have a story to tell you. Misimplementation of tech at the cost of safety isn’t anything to joke about.
No one complaining about press fit give a flying fuck about grams or drag efficiency. I'm sick of hearing this dumbass shit that's just being hyped by youtube talking heads. Threaded is superior because I take the same damn ratchet I use on everything else around the house to work on the BB. Its superior because it is a consumer focused design choice. No one watching this video is lining up for the over hyped French group ride so no one here has any reason to be worried about the weight of an Alu sleeve.
hahahaha, come on nowwww I am a professional bike mechanic, maybe not an engineer but my job is to measure seat posts, frames, handlebars. i need to knwo how to use that tool for working in a bike shop lol
Wow. Reading and thinking “how nice of Mapdec offering some tips to someone who said they’d never built a Time frame” Then the author goes nuclear. I won’t be watching this channel anymore
fair enough I reached out to him, i took it a certain way, that maybe I should have not but it is hard in this youtube world, I cant gauge someones tone, I sometimes think people have a certain tone when I mis read it and i am use to the normal shit talking youtube comments, so that is on me
Mixed feelings here: Downsides: 1. 28mm max tire size isn't it in 2023. IMO, this is the biggest downside of this frame. It might have trouble clearing 28s on certain rims. 2. Dated looking yoke chainstay (although looks better when it's all painted one color). 3. Heavy. Almost 500g more than the same size SL8. I don't really care about weight but others might. 4. The Di2 wire coming out of the top of the chainstay is a bad idea and I've heard the hose routing isn't easy on this frame. 5. Dated looking white decals plastered everywhere (although the 2024 colorways look a lot better). 6. It ain't cheap, although the complete bikes are not a bad deal, especially on sale. On the other hand there are some upsides: 1. By all accounts top drawer quality. This is a bike meant to last years of hard riding, be easy to maintain and not cause problems over thousands of miles. That's a huge benefit if you ride a lot. 2. By all accounts, terrific ride quality and handling. People love these bikes. Note that the geometry is surprisingly upright. It's almost an endurance bike (which you may or may not like). 3. Practical details. Regular seat clamp with a round post means no slipping, no seized wedges, no proprietary seatpost etc. Normal stock headset. Simple and clean front end using a standard Deda stem and spacers that you can buy anywhere. It's easy to upgrade and swap around sizes of stem and bar inexpensively. BB386EVO BB is one of the better standards on the market and this particular shell is supposedly very high quality. You're not going to have a problem with the frame. 4. Fantastic finish quality. the paint is top notch. There are no rough edges anywhere on the frame. Wipe it down with a damp cloth after each ride and this will look new for many years. 5. Minimal aluminum / carbon interfaces. Bonding an aluminum threaded shell into a carbon frame will inevitably cause galvanic corrosion over the years, especially if it every gets wet. That's going to not be a problem on this frame. Overall, this is a bike for people who ride a lot. It's dated but also practical. I think it's aimed at people who aren't racing but want a quality bike they don't have to worry about. I see the appeal.
yea I mean the tire cleareance aint bad for a climbing bike, and it looks to have room for a 30c tire although stating 28c, the seatstay yoke for me looks like a 2013 felt for me, I had the same impression of it, it is for sure heavier frame then the newer bikes coming out and especially this being there lightweight climbing bike, its hard to compete when you out weigh the competition the di2 wire shouldn't be that big of a deal, its not the best location but also it can be made to leak clean..... I will see how the cable running is done opn here, at the end of the day it is just a bike so it should be pretty easy but I will be honest once I builds it but I build like 5-6 internal cables routed bikes a week also doing headset maintaince on other bikes, I am fairly confident in my abilities to do so
really? from an overall ride feel, or performance feel? does it have that get up and go responsiveness that those other bikes have? to me the time bike looks a little more comfortable ride
thats my only thing with this bike, is the rear stays how they connect to a bike remind me of a 2014 bicycle, reminds me of a felt z series bikes from the 2013 era
Does the high level of quality control help the obese middle aged guy covered in skin tight logos for brands reduce the amount he's out of breath on his way to load the bike back on his car so he can go home and display it on the wall until next month?
The Time "might" be well made, but it looks like a mid-range frame from 2010. And the kevlar-vectran steerertube is identical to what they made 20 years ago.
@@l.d.t.6327 The Time frame is likely to break long before any other modern frame. The chainstays and seatstats are bonded in seperately, like they did back in the 2000's, representing a highly likely failure point. This specific Time Alpe d'huez is very old now, from 2016 i believe.
@@mortenravnsns8439I've never seen one break at the bonding. And I've seen many. What you call a 'highly likely failure point': do you have any evidence to back up your gut feeling or is it just your gut feeling?
Its a 'two piece' frame which makes it cheaper to make. Joints are bad and why the top bike makers don't put a joint in their frames. The rear triangle is glued to the front triangle of the frame...a plumbing pipe, overlap fit...rear seat and chain stays pushed inside of the front triangle. Further, it has a crappy 386, press fit bottom bracket when the industry, who lied to the public about the virtue of press fit for 'over a decade', is now shamelessly returning to BSA or T47. There are no words for all the money spent for press fit, trying to tame it which even spawned a cottage industry of aftermarket BB's like Praxis and Wheel Mfg. Will any of the above be on the average guy's radar when choosing a frameset? No. More like, honey, does this frame make my butt look fat? At least we agree its ugly...or as you more benignly state, the frame 'doesn't fit your sense of aesthetic'. It looks like something from 20 years ago aka the early Look era who made their early carbon frames all lugged. PS. Hambini is a fraud but the public is too clueless to understand his lies.
dammm seems like you have a hate for it, lets see how it builds up, I dont have any issues with the bike brands I sell in store and do nto have to do anyhign special while building
Felt like a kid in a candy store with this one, I am just a geeky nerd when it comes to craftsmanship like this, I notice the fine details and really do appreciate the small things like these on a bike. It was refreshing and at one point found my self just like forgetting I was filming while really looking at the rear stays lol. Very cool bike cant wait to see it all built up
Absolutely stunning quality, I'm excited that Mappdec said they have new models landing very soon sometime in '24. I purchased a 2019 Time Fluidity funnily enough with a Hambini pro BB installed from a guy during the Covid Era, from when they were still in the France factory (their old endurance build that is rumoured to be coming back in '24) in the raw/gloss carbon finish and they are works of art. I think Time will slowly bleed into the NA market now with the NA website and soon to be factory.
My only gripe is I love the look of my '19 that has pretty much no paint and just shows that exposed carbon look. I hope they bring more of that back than the paint jobs.
Time., Look build superior carbon bikes…older German made Canyons too
Have fun with it. Top tips for the build.
1. The seatpost clamp benefits from a light sand arround the lip to take the edge off.
2. Cutting the Kevlar steerer needs to be finished with a 400 grit sand so the Kevlar fibres don’t fray. Try and sand in one direction
3. There is not much room for cables at the BB with a Hambini so you may want to run one cable above and one below. You might need to remove the cable guide.
4. Routing the front brake hose is a bit hard. Good luck.
…… wow thanks I would have never figured this out, I don’t know what I would have ever done without you
@@GCPerformance18 literally trying to help by sharing some experience Grant. We learnt these details the hard way. Don’t be a 🍆
@@Mapdeckind of comes off a bit toolish, “try and sand in one direction” “front brake is hard to run” it has a literal cable guide in there.
Just seemed lack of respect, if that’s you trying to help I appreciate it but also I’ve been doing this for over 12 years building integrated road bikes for a long time and I could figure out how to run a brake cable and di2 wire around a hambini bb
Meh....an ugly, heavy frame. Pass.
@@MapdecI don't think you should even talk to this guy. He doesn't even come close to your level. This guy is basically a salesman that can perform some mechanical work but is not at the level of a full service bike store. Just look at the "tool" he uses to measure the bottom bracket. He's mainly working as a dealer for different bike companies. You can tell by the way he responds to your help. He's arrogant and not open for learning from others. You simply wanted to help him out but he responded with sarcasm and defensive. That's the last thing we need in the industry, especially among people that may have some influence in it.
I bought one after sending two frame sets back to a well known manufacturer with Q.C. issues.
For those that say it looks dated, I like that it doesn't look like a ubiquitous drop seat stay kamn tail road bike.
Lastly in Europe they are comparatively good value as they don't attract 'dumping duties' from Asia.
I gifted myself this exact frame last year for my birthday, added Look Keo Blades and love love love to ride this bike. It's quick, it's fast, it's like dancing every time I get on it.
that is awesome the customer is very happy with the bike
I have a 2018 time izon, it’s one of the smoothest bike I own, I almost like to say faster but that could be just the kid in me. Currently own Cervelo soloist, s1, and focus cayo2 so my sample size is rather small but sure love the look of the fiber weave.👍
Maaan this frame is absolutely GORGEOUS!
yea the red color is also very nice
I have one of those (with rim brakes, blue and a Hambini bb)... The weight is 6,2Kg with pedals and cages! The quality and tolerances are perfect!!! An example for all the other brands because they all should be obliged to present a product according to the price we pay...
very nice and sounds like a nice dream bike for that weight
Hi what frame size is your bike.
@@michaeloconnor9809 Hi! The size of my frame is XXS. I'm 173cm.
Quick tip that I learned when building my ADHX: remove the bb cable guide screw before fitting the bb
ahhh thankl you very much for that :) those adhx look sick as well congrats on that bike
Was just wondering about that. Well done!! 👏🏽
@@IronHorsey3 I found out the hard way 🤦♂️
@@GCPerformance18 Are you planning on running retaining compound to set the Hambini bb? I have a Wheels Manufacturing screw together bb in mine that was recommended by Contender Bike Shop where I bought it. Used grease and she’s been quiet for over a year now with no maintenance. No creaks. Spins a beaut.
@@Velodictorian its grease not b.b
Another commenter here has mentioned Mapdec cycles for Time builds, they're definitely worth a look before you get stuck into the build, he takes you through the manual and the build process, there are a few things worth keeping an eye out for with such a special and beautiful frame.
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yes he mentioned it, i kind of butchered it but reached out to him
This is an exquisite work of art. The person who gets this bike is very fortunate and hopefully they can enjoy it with some lovely 28C rims.
What an absolute beauty! That red is gorgeous too. 🫡
Couldn't agree more!
I would like to see them offer clearance for a 32c tire. Going from a 28 to 32 tire lowers pressures quite a bit and is more comfortable. Most rim brake bikes will take a 28c tire so if I have to deal with the fussy nature of disc brakes, I'd appreciate some additional functionality of accepting 32c tires.
Great point!
ADHX has that clearance but otherwise almost identical
If anyone is wondering, size M weghts 1,200 grams (bare frame). Fork is about 400 uncut. Heavy but gorgeous. I've got the pink one.
I reckon Time is the only company that can get away with a bit heavier frame as the build quality is on an entirely different level. How does it ride? I am buying this soon.
very ncie
@@tonyg3091 Yes, I get the impression that Time's focus is on strength and stiffness over weight. There are different ways of making bikes faster up hills... I have been the proud owner of a @Mapdec built one of these in the gloss black clearcoat since this summer and the ride quality is out of this world. It's outrageously stiff but doesn't beat you up and handles really well.
Somehow the brand name „Time“ is off-putting to me, sounds and looks a bit artificial… but great frame for sure! And great vid thanks for showing ❤
of course and thanks for watching
Looking forward to the build. Love the colour and carbon weave.
Thanks 👍
I bought one a year ago. The answer is yes, they are that good.
Grant,i have those C0-Efficient handlebars in 38mm they are super comfy and very fast as you can switch positions and are very light.....got them on my Elves Falath Pro...
yea for me, I am huge looks guy so those bars are a no go for me, I am sure they are amazing and work well, but I like the bike to have clean lines, I have to like the look of what I am riding lol
Time is the best. I’ve owned a Scylon, currently on an ADH01. The ride feel of the bcs is just like my steel bike. Just way more sharp. Both of the bikes really came alive at speed. Handling is literally just point and shoot. You don’t have to think about what it’s doing. It just follows what you want it to do. So good.
that sounds really nice
@@GCPerformance18You might need to go on an extended “shake down ride” once it’s built 😉😂
I just ordered a Time ADH and am eagerly waiting delivery.
very very nice
I have one of these, same colour, with Shimano Ultegra & Zipp 404s. Best bike I’ve ever had, looks amazing built up and rides just as good.
did u buy it as a full build
I like the retro look. I really really like it! Froth, froth!
12:57 Engineer here. These things you'd measure with an "internal 3-point micrometer." The measurement informs your choice of retaining compound (Loctites depending on gap after measuring the BB shell). I went with Si595 here btw. and Rotor's. -- The move to BSA I find suboptimal because its diameter is 37mm which doesn't leave much room for sleeved BBs for 30mm axles.
thank you for your expertise engineer!!!
@@GCPerformance18 Mr Engineer for friends, mate. :-)
What do you think about Hambini's BSA BB for cranksets with 30 mm spindles? As they house 6806 bearings, they're basically relatively oversized compared to pretty much any other BSA BB specced for this spindle diameter.
Why’d you go for Si595 instead retaining compound? Was the shell-to-bb gap larger than retaining compound could secure?
@@yonglingng5640Hambini makes those particular bbs out steel or titanium for a reason, but as far as I know, no one else does. Is it really a good design if the most expensive bb on the market is the only one designed to work properly?
Beautiful frame. The decals plastered everywhere ruin it. Why so many?
Agreed. I got the RTP version. Will only have the logo on the down tube and head tube
they want the team look
Its pronounced Dye-knee-ma. stronger than steel directinally, used primairally in rock climing slings.
Also now used on high-end sailboats for the rigging, halyards, etc.
ahh perfect thanks so much
Absolutely stunning quality from Time! I might not really be a fan of pure climbing bikes like this, especially this bike, to me it looks little dated. But I do hope that this bike pushes the bike industry to higher quality and craftsmanship standards!
This is not a pure climbing bike, more of a road allrounder, look at the geo-quite a lot more relaxed than Tarmac for instance. It is a lovely bike.
Dated, yup.. i guess its on purpose. As most of time owner i saw probably an old timer, very experienced rider. Those group of people surely got no issue with this kinda styling? 🤷🏾
@@tonyg3091I have the ADH21, geo is almost identical to the Specialized Allez Elite it replaced so yeah it’s more of an all round geo. But it’s light, handles amazing and unless you’re racing who really needs everything to be full on aero? I put some aero wheels (50mm) on mine which should somewhat make up for whatever the frame might be lacking.
I have a Time scylon what à bike this one looks so nice 😮
I was looking at that model but I hope they revamp it, it would be bad ass for a sick aero bike from them
@@GCPerformance18 Mapdec (sp?) on youtube who sells Look and Time said there is a new Scylon and other models coming very soon. It does look a bit dated.
Customer sounds like a Hambini fanboy
lmao he is a youtube fanboy lol
Great frames, I do feel you about the looks of it; only the word TIME on the downtube would be sufficiënt for me. On the other hand they do have something to be proud of!
The steerer tube is a Carbon/Kevlar mix.
thank you
At 8:30, you can see a small void in the carbon layup of the bottom bracket.
yea when I was building up this bike I was un impressed with how many snags and un clean the inside is every wire would snag something inside the frame
Fitting Hambini BB into this frame is only a waste of money, any good quality bearings will run smoothly in such a precise BB shell. Hambini's BB is a problem solver, but Time frame have no problem 😉
they should add some extra lateral stiffness to the bike where power is being transferred so that only helps
@@GCPerformance18 ha ha, which mortal human being could notice increased stiffness from BB 🤣 at such a frame. Marginal gains = nonsense 😅
Why Time insist to build a frame with a presfit BB when T47 has been proven to be efficient and the future standard?
@@brif56 press fit is better than threaded.
@@brif56 press fit is better than threaded.
Not a fan of the different color chain/drop stays but the quality is definitely impressive.
They offer other color options
I have the Scylon. Wonderful bike.
The build quality is above every brand. Only the chainstay stays inside the frame need some dremeling to make the hydraulic brake cable fit. This was an issue on a 2023 model, the new models should be fixed. Otherwise building up these frames are a pleasure, and the ride is excellent, tho on the stiffer side.
I never had to dremel any other frames I have built on the inside so we will see how this goes when building up, for a frame that has such high QC expectations, I think that is pretty lame if that is true.
Great looking bike and great quality.
It really is!
I have that same exact frame set that I built up with dura ace and this is my favorite bike so far. My last bike was a red filante SLR btw. Build it with the one piece Deda Alanera bars. The nicest for this frame IMO
nice how, I am curious, is is like a very comfortable enjoyable ride? or is more of a performance ride? does it have those snappy feel to it?
@@GCPerformance18 very comfortable and solid feeling. Feels snappy as my prior Wilier but just more solid feeling. I’m a big dude and this frame just inspires more confidence to me. Also no creaks haha. I do have a Hambini BB on mine as well. The other thing I noticed is that the brakes were really easy to setup and get centered. On my Wilier it was a PITA because the flat mounts were not faced properly.
@@ARGINH Interesting. I am still on 2012 Cento Uno SL and thinking about new ride. Either Time ADH or Filante... There is a word Filante is comfortable for an "aero" bike. Was Filante faster than Time, or you don't think so? Thanks!
Soon to be made in South Carolina. Better jump on it GC.
yea I was tlaking with hambini, I think they are already getting working on it over there now, would be cool to have some american made bikes out there
5 minutes from my house
I bought one of these and it puts all my prior bikes to shame. SL6, emonda slr, nothing comes close in ride quality. Not the lightest bike, but the ride quality is ridiculous.
What's the total weight on yours? So beautiful!
@@IronHorsey3 16ish
Mapdec sells a ton of em. It’s a great brand with high quality craftsmanship. Way better than trak specialess and sirvelo
to me I still like the big name brands and look of them, but if time can take the tech and finishing work to a very nice aero bike, and make it look like the modern bikes of today it would be something for us to consider lol ;)
😊
He made me watch the time documentary on how they make their carbon fibre… seems dope, never tried it and I don’t know if I will…
The glued in rear triangle makes this thing look like a 20 years old design.
And this is bad because?
any other brand's carbon lay-up process hasn't changed (and thus improved to be better than what Time does) in 20 years.
The reason for the "modern" monocoque construction is weight reduction, because it eliminates bonds between parts. But it comes at a huge cost in other areas, like reliability (of the process)and QC issues, and seems to be much more manual labor. Whereas the woven Carbob-fiber (+ other fibers) tubes as Time uses is a more automated process that should avoid issues like voids and wrinkling that are largely caused by the use of "pre-preg" carbon-fiber pieces in monocoque frames.
@@tonyg3091 Its bad because a glued together joint will never have the structural integrity of a one piece construction.
@@lukewalker1051 Most of the carbon frames out there are NOT one piece constructions tho. The fact that you don't see the joints doesnt mean they are not there.
Im buying this frame. Best in the world bar none
im going for the sl8
I've been hearing that the Floor Pumps are going Up in price.....
INFLATION
😂
lmfao that is a good one
Time and Look frames... 👍
look frames for me do nothing for me, idk
Good vid. Can’t wait when Time updates the Skylon model
I know I was looking at the bike before the video, it needs some revamp to that aero bike series
I've heard next year.
I will only buy Time pedals (carbon 12) I really like their products. There is an aerospace company in Utah making carbon fiber parts for satellites. Currently they are also producing a new type of carbon wheelsets. Carbon heat infused nylon. Polymers break down and are brittle. I just cracked a rear 40mm carbon wheel. The company also intends to make bicycle frames in the future. The equipment is very expensive.
I think I’ll hold off and wait for the new frame.
Lol that GCN infomercial?
for some reason the time pedals are a huge eye soar to me and take away so much attention from the bike, I do not like the look of them
@@GCPerformance18 yeah but they work so well.. Lol 😂 As an engineer, I really really don’t care about popularity. Whatever works well. The problem with cycling is we don’t get top level engineering. The money isn’t there.
Nice to see some smart guys doing it for the love of cycling though….
That was a nice little homage to AVE right there in the beginning, lol.
lmao yes
Time Bicycles announced that they recently acquired a 140,000 square-foot factory in Landrum, South Carolina, and will begin manufacturing their carbon fiber bikes there by 2024.
yes I heard this too
Just spoke with TIME CS…manufacturing will continue in Europe for the foreseeable future. New Scylon coming summer 2024!
@@peterfreeman3317 no USA frames? Sad, very sad.
I love Time bicycles.
Yes the workmanship from Time is without peer. But like you the style is not something for me....then again pretty much none of the new carbon bikes light any flames of passion in me. I am at a point now after 35+ years of road riding that I have to say nothing excites these days. I think my final bike will likely be a return to Steel or maybe Titanium. 🤔 Thanks for the show!
get cherubim!,
no lie I am obssesed with my blackheart road titanium bike, the ride quality is top notch and the bike looks amazing
wooden
"even the outside facing of it"?? Are you kidding? That is the most important facing on the bottom bracket shell in regards to having free spinning and long lasting ball bearings.
Why Time insist to build a frame with a presfit BB when T47 has been proven to be efficient and the future standard?
I think th big question is what colour basket is going on that bike?
gotta go red to max it
you with the basket
For my money, threaded BBs molded into carbon frames look like a regression. (I got two PF carbon MTBs for years now, no problem BTW). The added 100g for the alu shell aside, is this the answer we get from brands who are not able or interested in making BB holes to spec? What with head tubes? In a few years time, are we going back to threaded headsets too, because they are seemingly too hard to execute as well? /s.
I think they are, but I dont think companies could deal with the lack of qc and reoccuring issues customers were having, I think the pf bb is a better system, I really enjoyed the osbb system on the specialized bikes when we used epoxy on there, smaller crank spindles closer to the frame would give you more power and less loss of it from the longer spindle and further away from the frame...... I just dont know why they were having os many issues but also they have to rely on shops to install them right as well... t47 threaded is the closes to this platform
Given the number of failures due to headtube steerer issues, you may want to take that comment back. People with unrideable Cannondales may take issue with this. M Van de Poel might have a story to tell you. Misimplementation of tech at the cost of safety isn’t anything to joke about.
even if made to spec, BB holes wear out by replacing the BB. Once worn, you simply can't install a new BB creak-free.
No one complaining about press fit give a flying fuck about grams or drag efficiency. I'm sick of hearing this dumbass shit that's just being hyped by youtube talking heads. Threaded is superior because I take the same damn ratchet I use on everything else around the house to work on the BB. Its superior because it is a consumer focused design choice. No one watching this video is lining up for the over hyped French group ride so no one here has any reason to be worried about the weight of an Alu sleeve.
@@GCPerformance18 Too much wrong with this statement to respond to...lol.
@gcperformance18 somebody has read my comment how to use other side of the caliper for inner widths😅
hahahaha, come on nowwww I am a professional bike mechanic, maybe not an engineer but my job is to measure seat posts, frames, handlebars. i need to knwo how to use that tool for working in a bike shop lol
What is the frame weight with fork?
I can weigh it but do you want me to weigh it when I cut the steerer to a normal height?
@@GCPerformance18 Yes please, after you cut the steerer. Thanks
@@GCPerformance18 - No man, leave the steerer and give us a weight. Please, good sir.
I must say that’s a very nice frame.
It really is!
What is the Weight of the Frame and Fork
someone said frame was 1200 grams and fork is 400 grams uncut
Looking forward to seeing the build. I’m guessing it’s the Coefficient handlebars you’ll be using?
yes those are it, I think they are an ugly looking bar but the customer wants it for comfort. but I am excited for this build
I wish they'd produce slightly more modern looking frames and cut back on the decals. 😔
The starting sequence was very disturbing to me as I just crashed my bike downhill and broke my left thumb 😅😆😆
Hahahahhaa
Time bikes are of amazing quality and are beautiful but anyway I prefer Look, that's a real legend...
Totally agree
@@GCPerformance18 well spoken for highly educadet well read on toilet
Great frameset 👍.
Would be interested in an ADHX 45 front fork separately - would Time ever offer such a thing?
that would be a cool build
Was the pen working?
no we use pencils over here... have too many accidents lol
Time! A real exotic.
At that price, the attention to detail BETTER be damn good hahaha.
yes this is true
I just fell in love with a bicycle??
hahahah
Wow. Reading and thinking “how nice of Mapdec offering some tips to someone who said they’d never built a Time frame”
Then the author goes nuclear.
I won’t be watching this channel anymore
fair enough I reached out to him, i took it a certain way, that maybe I should have not but it is hard in this youtube world, I cant gauge someones tone, I sometimes think people have a certain tone when I mis read it and i am use to the normal shit talking youtube comments, so that is on me
Mixed feelings here:
Downsides:
1. 28mm max tire size isn't it in 2023. IMO, this is the biggest downside of this frame. It might have trouble clearing 28s on certain rims.
2. Dated looking yoke chainstay (although looks better when it's all painted one color).
3. Heavy. Almost 500g more than the same size SL8. I don't really care about weight but others might.
4. The Di2 wire coming out of the top of the chainstay is a bad idea and I've heard the hose routing isn't easy on this frame.
5. Dated looking white decals plastered everywhere (although the 2024 colorways look a lot better).
6. It ain't cheap, although the complete bikes are not a bad deal, especially on sale.
On the other hand there are some upsides:
1. By all accounts top drawer quality. This is a bike meant to last years of hard riding, be easy to maintain and not cause problems over thousands of miles. That's a huge benefit if you ride a lot.
2. By all accounts, terrific ride quality and handling. People love these bikes. Note that the geometry is surprisingly upright. It's almost an endurance bike (which you may or may not like).
3. Practical details. Regular seat clamp with a round post means no slipping, no seized wedges, no proprietary seatpost etc. Normal stock headset. Simple and clean front end using a standard Deda stem and spacers that you can buy anywhere. It's easy to upgrade and swap around sizes of stem and bar inexpensively. BB386EVO BB is one of the better standards on the market and this particular shell is supposedly very high quality. You're not going to have a problem with the frame.
4. Fantastic finish quality. the paint is top notch. There are no rough edges anywhere on the frame. Wipe it down with a damp cloth after each ride and this will look new for many years.
5. Minimal aluminum / carbon interfaces. Bonding an aluminum threaded shell into a carbon frame will inevitably cause galvanic corrosion over the years, especially if it every gets wet. That's going to not be a problem on this frame.
Overall, this is a bike for people who ride a lot. It's dated but also practical. I think it's aimed at people who aren't racing but want a quality bike they don't have to worry about. I see the appeal.
yea I mean the tire cleareance aint bad for a climbing bike, and it looks to have room for a 30c tire although stating 28c, the seatstay yoke for me looks like a 2013 felt for me, I had the same impression of it, it is for sure heavier frame then the newer bikes coming out and especially this being there lightweight climbing bike, its hard to compete when you out weigh the competition the di2 wire shouldn't be that big of a deal, its not the best location but also it can be made to leak clean..... I will see how the cable running is done opn here, at the end of the day it is just a bike so it should be pretty easy but I will be honest once I builds it but I build like 5-6 internal cables routed bikes a week also doing headset maintaince on other bikes, I am fairly confident in my abilities to do so
4k usd shipped in the cheapest cardboard box... only in the bicycle industry.
hahahah it was secured in there with specific placements for the fork and each rear stays and also foam on there i just removed it
As non native English speaker my learning of today: I am not d..k riding…is this used everywhere?
hahahaha, it is more slang with the younger crowd, but mainly like..... obsessing or fan girling...
No freehub sound test😢
*throws frame against floor*
It says fragile right on the box.
Awesome!!!
Thanks!!
Logos on Top Tube & Fork detracts from the look - less is more.........can't miss the name on the downtube🙃
GC: "ARE TIME BIKES AS GOOD AS HAMBINI SAYS THEY ARE?"
Answer: "Only Time wheel tell"
hahaha
Can you get a 30mm in that frame?
it is tough but it depends on wheel and tire, if you have a 25mm internal rim probably not but if it is 21mm then probably yes
45.95 needs to be the BB hole
I had trek slr 9, tarmac swords 7 , look’s … time are simply the best
really? from an overall ride feel, or performance feel? does it have that get up and go responsiveness that those other bikes have? to me the time bike looks a little more comfortable ride
This bike is cool but just looks like it belongs to the wave of bikes from like 4-5 years ago.
thats my only thing with this bike, is the rear stays how they connect to a bike remind me of a 2014 bicycle, reminds me of a felt z series bikes from the 2013 era
@@GCPerformance18 Yeah if they could use their production methods with a more modern design, it would be worth the hype on all levels.
@@BrianMcDonaldcame out with a propel style frame with the exposed carbon shit would go hard
I agree, a lot of bikes are becoming more and more like tarmac haha sl7 lol.
looks nice, but not my thing, i'm more like old'ish designs
Wow. Honestly, Time makes A LOT of other brands look pretty bad. Impressive.
Don’t like the decals. Otherwise I would think about buying one.
look at the Time ADHX, more subtle. It's their "all road/gravel" with clearance for up to 38 tires. I have mine built for road only
yea those are much bigger on here
I like bikes
lmao
That's a five-year-old's bike
このシートステイの上部の処理は旧式だね！
never seen time. but my personal opinion that bike look very old compare with other new bike for 2024
yea very 2015ish loook to it
No seatpost… 😳…. Bro cmon!
You lost me at press fit BB.
Yea same
I'd like one but it's just not aero 😣
same they need a badass aero frame
Die-nee-ma. 😊
Does the high level of quality control help the obese middle aged guy covered in skin tight logos for brands reduce the amount he's out of breath on his way to load the bike back on his car so he can go home and display it on the wall until next month?
somebody steal your seat post
hahahah he ordered a nice seatpost
30 tyres are slow
I have 30 tires and run them in group rides at speeds of 26-30mph
The Time "might" be well made, but it looks like a mid-range frame from 2010. And the kevlar-vectran steerertube is identical to what they made 20 years ago.
People who buy Time are not after Tarmac looks. It is more of a ¨if you know, you know” thing…
It will last longer than allmost all of the frames built today.
yea I thnk the bike is more for the a specific buyer
@@l.d.t.6327 The Time frame is likely to break long before any other modern frame. The chainstays and seatstats are bonded in seperately, like they did back in the 2000's, representing a highly likely failure point. This specific Time Alpe d'huez is very old now, from 2016 i believe.
@@mortenravnsns8439I've never seen one break at the bonding. And I've seen many. What you call a 'highly likely failure point': do you have any evidence to back up your gut feeling or is it just your gut feeling?
7.21 So big voids at bb shell. Sorry, but this frame is crap
Its a 'two piece' frame which makes it cheaper to make. Joints are bad and why the top bike makers don't put a joint in their frames. The rear triangle is glued to the front triangle of the frame...a plumbing pipe, overlap fit...rear seat and chain stays pushed inside of the front triangle.
Further, it has a crappy 386, press fit bottom bracket when the industry, who lied to the public about the virtue of press fit for 'over a decade', is now shamelessly returning to BSA or T47. There are no words for all the money spent for press fit, trying to tame it which even spawned a cottage industry of aftermarket BB's like Praxis and Wheel Mfg.
Will any of the above be on the average guy's radar when choosing a frameset? No. More like, honey, does this frame make my butt look fat?
At least we agree its ugly...or as you more benignly state, the frame 'doesn't fit your sense of aesthetic'. It looks like something from 20 years ago aka the early Look era who made their early carbon frames all lugged.
PS. Hambini is a fraud but the public is too clueless to understand his lies.
dammm seems like you have a hate for it, lets see how it builds up, I dont have any issues with the bike brands I sell in store and do nto have to do anyhign special while building
Please, tell us what brand you prefer and the reason why.
Are disposable Specialized and Cannondale junk framesets as good as you say they are? 😀
specialized is one of th ebest frames out there no lie, they are a breeze to build and jsut work