lol. my daughter didn't play with her toys. when she was really young she lined them up and pointed to the line and said "pattrens". she is now grown and working as a systems engineer😊
I'm an Aspie and as a child I organized all my toys, too! xD For example I had fun sorting Top Trump cards by one specific property like speed, power or weight. Repeatedly for many card games. 😅
I'm Ti/Ni SCBP, and I was indeed diagnosed with autism as a young teen. When I was 15 I effectively decided "screw it I'll just do what the tribe wants and neglect what I want" and then all the teachers that hated me suddenly loved me and commended my great improvement. I ended up severely depressed during the next decade when it turned out all these promises about getting an education, then a job, then a life, was a total lie and actually society didn't give a shit about me once the education track finished so I've killed off my Di soul for an empty promise. I guess being a normal person is overrated.
that's really crazy because as a de user, I'm so hyperfocused on the tribe and get the crashes of "screw it I'm gonna do what I want. I think what we have to learn as deciders is to balance out these needs and completely forget the other one
I resonate with this so much. I'm Ni/Ti SCBP. When I was 13 I went through the "screw it I'll just do whatever the tribe wants" trajectory. Kept trying to tap into my Fe/Se, and I was having a lot more social success. My extended family stopped saying I was a problem child, which made me so momentarily happy, but internally enraged. I kept studying "the humans" so I could figure out how to flirt, and not feel rejected all the time. And I got a boyfriend because of my successful skill learning ... Turned out to be a psychopathic narcissist who could sense my social insecurity, and I unfortunately married him (because why would I date multiple people??). But through all of this, depression, and existential crisis after existential crisis, swinging between "screw you! I am who I am!" and "I'll do whatever you want." When I got out of that situation (at 22), it was just endless deep study of myself, and my brain, and how I tick, and how it's different than they tick, and trauma, recovery ... I was never diagnosed, but every internet video tries to convince me I'm Autistic 🤣 I most definitely have sensory issues and PDA. But again, I think it's manifestations of my cognitive functions - particularly feminine Se all the way at the bottom, and masculine Ni and Ti.
@Vivian Madeline @Mr. Spaghetti Right?! Same. It’d make me want to say, “Maybe you should worry about why you’re so concerned about why I’m quiet. Piss off!” But, ya know... can’t be like that... so, I’d just smile and awkwardly laugh it off. 😬
as someone who works with people with autism, I actually think people of any type can have autism but I think it is traditionally associated with extreme introversion, which is why many people do not get diagnosed until much later in life. I know Fe doms who have ASD and a lot of the children I work with are very extroverted.
Actual autistic here. These guys should bring up that autism has specific symptoms that go beyond "abnormal difficulty in learning social rules." We also tend to have our own natural instinctive rules (treat everyone as social equals regardless of societal position until proven otherwise is just one), and we also have other symptoms like limited interests and extreme difficulty forming new ones, tendency to notice patterns and details that others do not, abnormally sensitive senses (there's a reason why many of us HATE bright sunny summer days - they are brighter and hotter to us than they are to most people), eye contact being super uncomfortable to us to the point where we can't look people in the eye and concentrate on what they're saying at the same time, body language and facial expressions being different, a strong need to fidget (in ways that are considered abnormal by most standards) in order to calm down or concentrate, and motor coordination skills being poor. Not all autistics have all the symptoms in the same way that not all diabetics have blurred vision despite that being a known symptom of diabetes, but still, if a person is just socially awkward or introverted and has NONE of these other symptoms, they ain't autistic.
There's also something about the muscular structure.. having low muscle mass or tone I think. I cannot recall the specifics but that's a big one that everyone seems to forget.
Or it's just preference? I acknowledge that you have that preference but labelling you autistic is a bit of a stretch don't you think? It may be parenting problem.I have attachment problem whereby because my parent was abusing me I lost trust many of the people outside of my family because we as human naturally think when we're a child the first people that are able to understand us is our parent not others.That's the reason why I hate monogamy because you have less mental diversity that you can reach from.If you have an estp father and you're infj,expect some aggression while if you're infj and your father is enfp it's likely that you're gonna be more accepted.This is just an example so before you label or let any authority labels you as autism first of find people,community who sees you as normal and that's the proof that's your normal and find your behavior normal.In the end,labels are subjective and it's constantly changing despite people seeing it as objective.
@@thes7450 Labels are subjective, a medical diagnosis is not. I wouldn't tell someone with cancer that they just need to find a community of cancer patients who accept them as they are; to help them understand that having cells uncontrollably replicate while using up their body's resources is perfectly normal. No, I'd tell that cancer patient to go see a doctor before it's too late.
@@BakedRoll this is about autism not about cancer.If you compare autism with cancer obviously autism is more subjective.Obviously medical diagnosis in cancer is much more objective than autism as far as I Know.Austism is not life threatening as compare to cancer.Autism is just the difference of how the brain develop compare to other people,they often develop social interaction later in life ,it just they just focus on their introverted function more (especially their feeling or thinking side) than their extraverted function that's it.For example,intj have Fi which means they don't aware so much what other people are feelings so they often confuse why people are behaving so emotionally but intj befriend an intp would be great as intp don't care about their emotions.You get the idea they need to find their compatible type(traditional statistic shows that intj is 1% and intp about 5%) not be control.If such compatibility exist then autism is just a subjective label from medical perspective.
I knew someone who's child was diagnosed with Asperger's. She refused to allow him to go to specialist schools and wanted him to go through the normal education system. She wanted him to be treated as an individual with his own personality. It worked fine and he's a successful young man now. Very intelligent lady imv.
Interesting. I feel like if my son didn't have me as his parent, that he'd be labeled autistic and identify with that . No need for that! He has been supported in how he requires support.
As an INTP with Fi tendencies, back when I was in pre and elementary school, teachers often said that I probably have Aspergers and ADD. So I was tested for both with the result that I'm just a normal kid. I didn't understand it back then, but after talking about it now with my parents, I know that the doctor who tested me had similar views as you guys about those mental disorders. Also that if I was tested by someone else, I'd probably have been diagnosed. In hindsight I'm very thankful I had the ability to go through childhood without the label "mentally ill", since it would have made the disconnection I naturally experience to a lot of "normal" people so much worse and impossible to overcome.
I know a guy like that. Another example might be Canadian pianist Glen Gould, who is commonly typed INTP yet has a very strong sense of Fi. I think there is a great deal to learn from typology but I expect what we will learn about the human brain may shed light on just how complicated it is.
Thank you for sharing your story. I feel like if my son didn't have me as his parent that he'd get labeled autistic and identify with that, rather than flourish as an ISTJ and have self confidence.
I'm also INTP (I think) with a higher than expected Fi, unless I'm defining Fi wrong. It could just be I'm at a stressful time in my life at the moment.
Just wanted to say, this is probably the most CORRECT way to handle neurodivergence in personality study, and I think we're getting to the point where personality "pseudoscience" is starting to catch and overtake conventional science when it comes to this aspect of psychology. The idea that SOME people CANNOT hold themselves to the same standards as what seems "normal" is the #1 thing that attracts me to MBTI and personality types. Success will be different for different GROUPS of people. I feel like "everyone is different" and "Everyone should be capable of these basics" (the 1940's model as he says in the video) are both poorly serving society/"the tribe" and tailoring self help, psychology/therapy, and education will be SIGNIFICANTLY improved if we can start tailoring the cultural path through society to these groups. (INTP here, FYI)
Oh and don't even get me STARTED on autism in females. I feel like personality typing ALREADY does a better job serving/helping potentially autistic/aspie women and girls than conventional psych. Social Media has identified a clear group with symptoms different but related to "traditional" (male) autism but it's taking FOREVER to even attempt to study this well, since, if you're not aware, we don't REALLY know that much about autism overall. Not in comparison to most other physiological things, similar with ADHD. Anyway, I got started, lol. But I have to stop. TLDR I think our "understanding" of both autism and ADHD (and by extension, neurodivergence overall) is going to effectively be up-ended and revolutionized in the next 5-10yrs. At least that's what my Ne tells me.
@@vazzaroth gOSS. As a fucking Aspie girl late diagnosed, MBTI was a thing that helped me so much to look at myself better and reach a proper therapist to my case. Everything on life gets better after it, so i think it really does a better job at not generalizing the human kind needs to be or no to be, and to direct proper understanding on each individual.
God I can’t help but imagine the implications of your research when combined with something like the DSM to further help diagnose/treat people!! This stuff needs to be researched on a way wider scale!
This is a really good video! I am an INFP, and I'm pretty convinced that I am the Fi/Si type. I'm pretty sure I have Asperger's Syndrome, or at least, I have a lot of the symptoms of it. Actually, it runs in my family. I think a lot of what you said here makes sense, because a lot of people with Asperger's and autism tend to get stuck in their inner world and aren't great at getting and using feedback from the outside world.
Asperger Syndrome is most common among INTJs and INTPs. Many geniuses and innovators from the past who were mostly INTJs and INTPs would have been diagnosed today with having this syndrome or being on the spectrum. It's ironic that the people who were and are responsible for the progress of humanity are the ones who are perceived as non-normal, having a "disorder", whereas the normies haven't really contributed much. Being "normal" means thinking inside the box, and no progress can be done with this way of thinking.
I noticed a pattern like that, too. Totally non-scientific, just by quick guessing: I've set a foot into an institution where most people got a case of clinically diagnosed anorexia. I'd say 70-80% of them seem to be sleep first. Organizing and self big time. They are afraid of chaos - and they cope with it by controlling the one thing they feel like they can be in control of, which is their eating behaviour.
Many females with ASD were diagnosed with anorexia (more likely to be ARFID) as an adolescent. Yes more an antidote to chaos and not about body image. We have zero interest in celebrities but would not feel like ourselves if our bodies changed shape.
@@heatherbryant4197 Eh, that seems to happen all the time. I guess if you write more than one comment, YT might see it as spam. I'm gonna post it again. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I got diagnosed with autism even though I'm normal and an ESTP. They *confirmed* that I have no trouble reading people's body language and voice tone and no trouble with chaos or disrupting routines. The only reason I got diagnosed was because *they* couldn't read *my* body language and voice tone (and that is what makes my social interactions "difficult"). I'm actually more like the opposite of autism.
@@jenlovesthisstuff This reminds me of the IxxJ box- like the body is that person's IxxJ box. It would be really hard to live with that, I see, because our bodies do tend to change throughout life. :/
As an ISTP female, I definitely relate to a lot of the high functioning autism for females as personality traits but I have no official diagnosis of course
Interesting new thing here is that there's an autism profile called PDA, pathological demand avoidance. Extremely social and talkative, high maskers, hyper vigilant, extreme demand aversion even to their own demands on themselves. There are lots of autism profiles, not just the sleep/consume profile.
Ti-Ni here, most of my problems stem from over isolation and not entertaining tribe interests nearly as much as speaking out/blasting about my own. I didn’t realize how frequent and recurring the problem was until very recently, when my mom pointed this out and said I haven’t exactly been the “best friend” to someone I had a falling out with. It really hurt, especially thinking I was doing that Fe just fine. I’d just broke down right there and finally admitted I don’t understand people and have a hard time taking things literally and/or personally, or misinterpreting a situation altogether. My father, brother, (and potentially, sister) have autism and my mom and psychiatrist have said that as I grow older, they’re seeing even more traits from me being exhibited too. A diagnosis isn’t quite necessary even though I’m being treated similarly to patients with ASD, I don’t need accommodations in my day to day life but this discovery has been a little relieving now that I know there’s an explanation for my unintentional slip ups past just “being an asshole” lol. I really don’t mean it, I just need people to be straight with me.
I guess as MF SiTe BP/S(C), I partially fit the anecdote for autism. Strong M-Si savior. I even did that lining up the cars in a row thing as a young child. As an ST 'blockhead', I would tend to take things over-literally, especially when young. My animal order may suggest otherwise, but when I fit learned the theory I mistakenly thought I was one of the S/C 'mope' types. My inner world is double masculine- M-Si + M-Fi so I wonder if that makes some difference. Also, I did not always get the positive validation when I used my savior B + P, so I ended up isolating myself and going into my head more. This was especially true in the middle school years, where I was very socially awkward and did not fit in with my peers. I never got officially diagnosed as being on the autistic spectrum but when I read about Aspergers syndrome, much of that description was scarily accurate for me in the way I behaved and processed information in my childhood. Because I'm technically more on the extroverted side compared to other ISTJs, I don't think most random people would ever suspect I'm on the autism spectrum. However, in the way I naturally process information- ST blockheaded with very strong M-Si, that could appear more like someone on the autism spectrum.
The repetitive behavior attribute you guys are attributing at autism spectrum disorder seems to be something very deeply ingrained in my life and experiences. Sometimes it manifests in ways that appear atypical, but since getting older I have cut back on some of those behaviors. More often it’s placing large sums of time into doing the same thing, thinking about the same exact topic, watching the same videos and listening to the same songs over and over (including this one, probably 10-15 times and maybe more). Oddly enough, the main concern that caused my parents to have me tested for Asd as a toddler were language delays and some inappropriate peer interactions, but last year when I was tested again for Asd, I had improved my language and executive functioning skills but one of the hallmarks that determined I still fit the criteria for Asd were repetitive behaviors, thoughts and movements. Personally I can’t speak to whether or not I only “superficially” fit the criteria of Asd because I can communicate and have had academic success. I really do appreciate this code you guys have developed. Hopefully I can use it to really help understand where I actually fit in this world. And to actually understand this subject from a way in which we can move forward with maximizing the quality of our lives.
I am impressed by your observations, they definitely make sense to me. I was diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome at a young age and luckily I've got excellent therapy (it was mainly a training how to be social, recognize emotions, play with other autistic kids etc.), so that the syndrome is more of an advantage today. Recently I discovered the MBTI typology, learned about cognitive functions and now I landed here. Your insights are amazing! However, I successfully typed myself as an INTJ jumper (FF Ni/Fi SC/B(P)). And I'm pretty sure I didn't mistype myself because I'm very introspective and pressure myself often with auxiliary M-Fi. Also I'm identifying with an enormous number of videos by AsuraPsych and LiJo (both INTJ). This video helped me to complete the puzzle of my personality.
I’m having a difficult time coming up with the function stacks. What I have moved towards doing is looking at when I feel most freaked out, angry, upset, etc… and looking at those points it becomes easier to see what I’m failing to do. That seems easier for me to do then diagnose my animal stack. Also just making constant mental notes of my behavior helps. Oh okay I feel scared of doing X and I don’t do X that much. Then why am I not doing X, can I break that understanding down, generalize it to all aspects of my life. Then yeah, but only if I am seeing the world the same way Op has constructed it. I mean, I will admit that I am constantly thinking “maybe if I’m Ni-Fi, that gives demon Te and demon Se” then go think of people who have crackhead savior Te-Se energy. Pretty intimidating. Then do that with other combos and make subjective judgements about whatever demon combo there is. But like I don’t think any combo just sticks out to me as the obvious one (I would say I’ve probably hit on my exact type as defined as Op defines it). I just haven’t really owned which parts are truly mine and which ones aren’t yet. I’m happy to hear that you have done that. I’m hoping to get some outside input to help. It’s difficult to actually get typed by Dave and Shan, because the spots fill up so quickly.
I'm a Male INFJ and have been asked if I was autistic multiple times. To the point I believed I could possibly be autistic. I'm shy, quiet and typically don't like talking for the sake of talking. When I do talk I stammer and/or pause frequently. Lots of "uh" and "ums." Not always just when I'm thinking, or easing off autopilot.
I think this is a result of dominant Ni. I speak slower than my peers, stammer and say umm a lot as well. Concepts are perfect in my head and totally fluid but speaking to others requires so much more effort. It feels like the little Microsoft loading hourglass is rotating in my head while I’m gathering the words to say while simultaneously doing the Ni stare thing. I think it leaves some people assuming we’re unintelligent or mentally challenged.
Male INFJ with Aspergers here. I'm pretty sure the diagnosis is correct. What this video and others like it suggest to me, is that the manifestations of ASD translate to the MBTI in a predictable and reproducible manner. Not sure what it means, but if we can map the MBTI to neurological pathways, it might give us an idea about what is getting underdeveloped/overdeveloped in ASD.
Very interesting topic! I read about some thick theory book ten years ago that played with the links between personality types and mental disorders/diseases and the results were inconclusive. ie correlation could be made, but not causation. It seemed to me that this pattern suggests two forces at work, which lead to misdiagnosis. 1. Those who have slow development in one area due to overdevelopment in another; 2. Those who have damage in one area and so have no development in that area at all. Is the kid unable to develop social skills, or does he just so distracted by his saviour function that he won’t develop? The same book tried to link brain chemistry with personality, suggesting types were associated with particularly high or low levels of certain neurotransmitters, such as dopamine, serotonin, etc. Types being: Exhorter, Contributor, Perceiver, Teacher, Server, Mercy, and Facilitator...
Oh! I was starting to see that pattern too! At the beginning it was about lead Ni + Sleep high and started to go toward Oi+Sleep people... This is probably what I would have end up eventually
The world we are hopefully moving towards is one where neurodiversity and "normalcy" are not criteria for mental illness, but only psychic suffering and dysfunction.
My brother has "mild"/High Functioning autism. His IQ has always been really high. He's gotten alot more functional after some counseling/therapy. We recently figured out he is INTP. I would love to hear more about your findings of autism and personality types.
Contextualization is the most important part of communication. I remember when Tiger Woods was on the media show for putting golf balls into little holes when he was a toddler. I tried to put cube balls into round openings. One of them eventually fit.
There's been interesting research done on this. And they find that generally autism spectrum behavior "disorders" are more common when (one or both) parents are older (30+ yrs of age). I am not sure where this might stem from, from an evolutionary standpoint.
Are they saying it's the genetic material of older parents that's correlated with a child having ASD, or is it the age of the people raising the child?
@@BakedRollThere is also research that says that older parents produce children with a higher intelligence than younger parents. Both of these things could be related. It's my pesonal impression that older parents indeed produce more intelligent children, but these intelligent children also have a weaker health than the less intelligent children (with intelligence they mean IQ - as far)
My demon Si experience providing behavior therapy for kids on the spectrum had a real hard time sitting through that and not worrying about the comments
I am an ENFJ and yes I have Aspergers....my mentor, a stereotypical INTP speech pathologist genius spent A LOT of time with the rest of the team about the diagnoses. Today you would never know but that is after the best social skills training, speech therapy, etc. you can get. Yes yes I know the latest DSM got rid of Aspergers but it is still a valid diagnoses. Honestly this is one hell of a fcking mix.....When I am in Ti grip I tend to think it is worse because ASD causes overthinking and Inferior Ti enhances it.
Ni/Fi autist here. I repeatedly prove myself to be impossible to get along with (though I don't care if people don't get along with me) because I don't refrain from expounding truth, regardless of the context of any given situation - including times when others are upset. If someone were on the brink of suicide I'd probably be as honest towards and critical of them as I would be to anyone. If someone makes a joke, I'll tell them the message and intention of the joke and whether or not it's correct in a way they will understand. If someone is looking for support or affirmation in a time of need, I will give them an objective viewpoint instead of one which would console them, even if I'm concerned about their wellbeing. You get the idea
My mom thought I had a processed issues because it took me awhile to get the information. Once I did, I was very good at driving and articulating myself.
Hey guys, interesting video. You ever heard of the 5 love languages? Would be cool to see the topic explored and expanded upon, especially in relation to mbti. Might be something there
i haven't watched this yet, but i wanted to pop on and comment that i'm an autistic Fe dom! a lot of the diagnostic criteria and resources focus on white male introverted expression -- check out tania a. marshall's work on the "aspien girl" profile for a less narrow idea of what the spectrum actually is. xo
Patterns I've personally noticed: ISTJs & INTJs (Fe PoLR for that struggle with social expectations/norms & empathy/perspective-taking/understanding emotion, Fi child fuels passion for special interests/obsess introverted observer dominant). High Si in particular fuels repetitive behaviors and bodily sensory sensitivities (though some people on the spectrum have sensory hyposensitivity instead of hypersensitivity... These will be Se types that still exhibit repetitive sensory-oriented behavior reminiscent of Si, which makes typing difficult! (though I'm beginning to differentiate repetitive "overstimulation" [hyposensitivity] versus repetitive actions that are aversion orientated [hypersensitivity] as Se vs Si). Also, the Ni/Se people on the spectrum may be some of those individuals who don't fit the "avoids eye contact" characteristic. Anyone else notice that some individuals with Aspergers/autism seem to be somehow using _both_ Si and Ni? Or is this just a typing problem in general? I suppose the observer issues with "things" can also make the INTJs seem like sensors and when ISTJs have weird Si qualms & quirks with things like clothing it can look like an inferior Se issue on the outside. Just as an example. Even I score a few points on the autism assessment simply for being introverted and detail-oriented (Si) -- though not enough to actually break the threshold. But it is important to note that any one or even a few behaviors deemed criteria for autism should not be taken as a sign of diagnosis out of context. Also, I feel like I shouldn't have to say this, but just to be clear, I am NOT implying that all INTJs or ISTJs are autistic. I want to ask everyone who's read this far: Do you think that the order of functions could be different in people on the autism spectrum? Do you think there might be types that don't "follow the rules" (as we currently understand them)? Or do you think autism just involves more "extreme" versions of functions stacked in the traditional models? Do you think _some_ characteristics of autism cannot be traced back to stemming from cognitive functions at all? Or, do you think cognitive functions have correlation, _but not causation,_ with other factors that actually cause autistic traits? Or, do you think that autism is completely unrelated an uncorrelated to cognitive functions and type?
@@heatherbryant4197 No, I meant INFJ. Whenever I meet other Aspie's I always like to ask them what personality type they are and so far most have told me they are INFJs. Both INTJs and FJs have Ni dominant and Se inferior which I notice you mentioned in your comment.
@@jenlovesthisstuff Oh, interesting. Yeah, I did mention Ni & Se. I just don't typically think of INFJs of being prone to Aspergers because of their strong Fe. This is, of course, not to say that INFJs can't fall on the spectrum. Any type could theoretically have Aspergers. But I usually see it in people with Fe 4th slot or lower, particularly blind Fe and inferior Fe. I would imagine that when you ask people their type, most of the people in everyday life would be going off the results from a website like 16personalities, which is not very reliable. Do you think it's possible that maybe some of the people you've asked were mistyped?
@@heatherbryant4197 That is a possibility, however I can think of 3 Aspie UA-camrs that are INFJ. Dan from The Aspie World, Anna Moomin, and Paul from Asperger's on the inside. Maybe go check out their content if you haven't already and I'd be really interested to know what you think 👍
My son did this with his cars and his dinosaurs. He knew the scientific names and preferred diets of thirty+ reptiles by the time he was three. He taught himself how to read. Wow, and his speech patterns are so much like Tiger’s. I’ve been told he was most likely autistic since he was 2… I’m an INTJ and in all honesty I’ve known that I fit the criteria as well. The more I learn over the years the more difficult it is to deny 😅😐
"Communicating in sleep consume". Very interesting. Another question though would be the FiNi. Probably not as outwardly organized as SiFi? An additional quesition could be: Are the types FiSi, FiNi, SiFi and NiFi all alike in the autistic definition. Maybe socially? But in outward organization?
I mean it makes sense. Something like a developmental disorder is going to have a big effect on your personality. I think it would be silly to say the signs of autism are just manifestations of a type, but it does raise some interesting questions of how personality develops between nature or nurture. Is the person's personality developing from an actual disorder or just from a neurotypical view of their behaviour pressed upon them?
Being an ISTP I realized that a lot of my “abnormalities” was because of my personality type! **However** the way I mentally process physical stimuli is different from the average person! I’m not strict with schedules but I will freak out if something changes because I have to assess whether or not I’ll get meltdown because of it. As an ISTP I love getting my hands dirty! But sometimes I can’t do something right away because it will trigger me..that part does piss me off. It’s not really about what you can do it’s about what you can’t do, it’s a disability and the deciding factors will always be if it disables you or actually contradicts with your personality. Or maybe not idk
As an INFP, I have trouble deciding what's personality trait and what's mental disorder. And then what's autism and what's based on upbringing. 2:24 "One ideal autism spectrum." HAHA! I didn't know there was one.
Maybe there is a correlation between sites of pain and different personalities, whether someone likes physical activity, who is more judgemental, maybe correlation between people who overeat vs undereat to cope with stress, etc etc. It would be nice to see how different things cluster around some personalities
I would imagine that INFPs would fit the Autistic spectrum disorder. My son is an ENFP and he has been diagnosed with ADHD and is on the autistic spectrum. He does hate change and he does obsess over things, so I am not sure. I'm an INFP and before I found out my personality type, I thought I may have been autistic. I wasn't sure. Now I know it is just my personality type and not autism.
Autism does not necessarily have to make your life more difficult then everyone else just different problems then neurotypical. There are 3 basic categories of autism: Social (Demon Fe/Te) Ti/Fi doms Sensory (Demon Si/Se) Ne/Ni doms Repetitive (Demon Ne/Se) Si/Ni doms Again just because a person has an issue in one of these categories doesn't mean they aren't amazing in another category.
I have adhd aspergers/autism whathaveyou and im intj mbti type. 5w4 enneagram. My kids are on the spectum as well. I am pretty normal in my type turns out.
Yeah, I've had my dad refer to me as having autism - and yet, I think of myself as normal in the INTJ crowd at PerC with a 5w6. Took a test there once and couldn't even get enough points to maybe have a low degree of Asperger's. I am very introverted and I do zone out when with others... but autism???
How do the personality types interact with trauma in early life? I imagine that there is a dialectic, but from your experience / viewpoint are peoples tendencies shaped by trauma and are there any patterns with the types and what they might have experienced in younger life?
Have you guys heard of the five human types and how to analyze people on sight by Elsi and Lincoln Benedict? That would something interesting to track.
My teacher used to ignore me a lot when I raised my hand to answer her questions (I was raising my hand most of the time, because I knew the answer most of the time) My mom went in to have a conversation about why she was ignoring me and teacher said to her that I should stop being a know it all and raising my hand all the time because she wanted other kids to come up with answers too. I thought that was ridiculous because she would ignore me when nobody else was raising their hand, I knew the answer, so why not let me answer? What animal would that be?
just discovered I'm consume/ consume sleep. That's kinda explain why I always have the feeling that I'm moping whenever someone asked me, and I thought I was weird because literally everyone defined me like that, however I'm not really alone in this situation because my dad is the same as me 😂😂
There's some research that helps with two of your claims here: 1. That savior Si-sleep is correlated with autism and 2. That savior masculine modalities are correlated with autism. It's called the "extreme male brain theory," which I know sounds like an Onion headline, but that's the name. Here's some info: www.spectrumnews.org/news/extreme-male-brain-explained/
I dont understand why y'all are asking "who is he talking to?". Does he need to crack jokes and indicate the name of the person in order for it to be considered talking to someone?
so, I see that SCxx was mentioned, but what about xSCx? Would that be a less severe form of the same issues? To have xSCx you are limited only to one option, BS/CP which limits you to 8 sub-options. I mean, for instance, you have someone who is Ni/Fe (an INFJ) and they have a slightly harder time getting to the Consume than other folks. So, what's having that Blast right at the front going to do to affect these types?
AdHD doesn't ways look like bouncing off the walls. I have what could be described as "daydreamy ADHD" I don't think ADD is used as a diagnosis anymore.
Interesting concept. I know that, personally, I get annoyed when people interpret my reasons as excuses (like, say, explaining to my boss why I was late), but I also get annoyed when people flood me with what I see as excuses and call them reasons. Maybe I'm just a hypocrite. But I would say an important distinction is whether there's an effort to abdicate responsibility, distract with a red herring, or avoid culpability. Someone may explain their "reasons" for doing something you didn't appreciate, just so you understand why & where they're coming from and don't assume the worst, while still accepting responsibility & consequences and moving toward a solution. But if the explanation seems to clearly be an attempt to garner sympathy and thereby leniency, or pointing the finger, whether it be at other people or unforseen circumstances, to avoid the repurcussions of being blamed, then that's when I'd call it making "excuses." This can be tricky with Fi-users, who often seem obsessed with the notion of intentions, e.g. "But I didn't mean to! I wasn't trying to!" as if that negates the consequences of their actions. Sometimes these sorts of explanations can come across as making excuses, but I think the aforementioned distinctions still apply, and if I try to imagine how they think from their perspective, perhaps they feel it's necessary and that if they didn't say that you would assume they "meant to" cause the negative impact?
Peace, Heather. Good to see you over here. Thank You for sharing your perspectives. In response: Basically. The only thing I'd add is that, for me, I *do* put a heavy premium on the principle that: "Actions are absolutely based on intentions." I.E. If the action produced (a) negative/harmful reaction/result(s), the intent ( + whether or not one takes up the reigns of authentic Respect & personal Accountability/Responsibility), determines the severity (&/or lack thereof) of consequence(s). Edit: After posting my response, I've been letting it sit with me & further measuring/processing it along with your "Fi users & intent" idea/statement(s). Conclusion: I can totally understand why Fi users would get defensive/dig their feet in based on intent (vs. perceived outcome). Fi is: "Values/Principles." So, if an Fi user is late (maybe even repetitively), for example, to assume they are intentionally disrespecting ettiquette is to miss the point entirely... Right off, they wouldn't be there at all if they either didn't value it, or, the person who wants them to be there. It's more likely they are experiencing a serious existential &/or logistical crisis (like, say, they don't want to be there, but, someone whom they value wants them to be there).. Maybe they're internally screaming for help.. It's manifesting in the form of tardiness... Asserting ones "authority" over them & kicking them while they're down (instead of Authentically connecting with them to root out-& work together & solve-the challenge...) just exacerbates the matter.. In *so* many nuanced ways. Which... Is totally understandable.. Because, rectal douche-baggery (my own situationally biased opinion, of course :)). I do wonder: With regards to "Excuses vs. Reasons," what type(s) of data are Dave & Shan seeing (in terms of Personality Type(s))? Thanks again Heather... I always enjoy (& Respect) your views. Reflections? Peace.
INFP female - recently diagnosed with autism at 30. Okay, cool... paradigm shift, I guess. ‘MBTI’ now categorized as my “special interest” of the last decade... okay cool, I’m still not convinced you’re not singling out mostly cognitive functions. Recently introduced to an “Autism Speaks” trailer that comes across as the most fucked up kind of psycho extraverted feeling that completely dehumanizes the person with autism because their emotional state wrecks havoc on the family? Woah. So you’re telling me the feelings I had of complete disregard for the pain I was experiencing growing up by my ESFJ mother is being advocated for by an organization?! 🥸🤮 My soapbox: Awareness of cognitive functions is necessary for intelligent, empathetic, and accurate communication. We are evolving. Full stop. 💗
@@skidibidup I'm not sure but the way they communicate with eachother and their facial expression especially the lady's. I can't quite put my finger on it. I just get the feeling that there might be something off.
Haha everyone has something off about them even if they don’t realize. He is always darting his eyes around with that know it all smirk and she gets that squinty eyed look, nods along, and forces the same laugh in every video.
What does that table at 1:27 mean? What does the SC/B(P) and variations mean? And why every youtube channel that talks about the 16 types uses very different standardised language to talk about it? It makes it 100 times harder to understand. I though this MBTI was more standardised than what I'm seeing. It seams like everyone makes a different interpretation of it, and everyone uses a different method to type people. Are all of them valid? Is there any consensus about it? I think I made too many questions lol.
I keep on getting a common theme in these videos that IJs are weirdos that should be laugh at and EJs are normal people who just have low confidence and deserve every consideration.
How do you get what there animals are i mean when you have ni fi savior for example then my guess would be sleep (ni+fi) blast (ni+te) consume (fi+se) and play last (se+te) blast before consume because ni is the thing you do 90% of the time then and its more compare to the use of fi
lol. my daughter didn't play with her toys. when she was really young she lined them up and pointed to the line and said "pattrens". she is now grown and working as a systems engineer😊
This makes my heart happy.
I love this 🥺🤩
I'm an Aspie and as a child I organized all my toys, too! xD
For example I had fun sorting Top Trump cards by one specific property like speed, power or weight. Repeatedly for many card games. 😅
ni moments
I'm Ti/Ni SCBP, and I was indeed diagnosed with autism as a young teen. When I was 15 I effectively decided "screw it I'll just do what the tribe wants and neglect what I want" and then all the teachers that hated me suddenly loved me and commended my great improvement. I ended up severely depressed during the next decade when it turned out all these promises about getting an education, then a job, then a life, was a total lie and actually society didn't give a shit about me once the education track finished so I've killed off my Di soul for an empty promise. I guess being a normal person is overrated.
that's really crazy because as a de user, I'm so hyperfocused on the tribe and get the crashes of "screw it I'm gonna do what I want. I think what we have to learn as deciders is to balance out these needs and completely forget the other one
I resonate with this so much. I'm Ni/Ti SCBP. When I was 13 I went through the "screw it I'll just do whatever the tribe wants" trajectory. Kept trying to tap into my Fe/Se, and I was having a lot more social success. My extended family stopped saying I was a problem child, which made me so momentarily happy, but internally enraged. I kept studying "the humans" so I could figure out how to flirt, and not feel rejected all the time. And I got a boyfriend because of my successful skill learning ... Turned out to be a psychopathic narcissist who could sense my social insecurity, and I unfortunately married him (because why would I date multiple people??). But through all of this, depression, and existential crisis after existential crisis, swinging between "screw you! I am who I am!" and "I'll do whatever you want." When I got out of that situation (at 22), it was just endless deep study of myself, and my brain, and how I tick, and how it's different than they tick, and trauma, recovery ... I was never diagnosed, but every internet video tries to convince me I'm Autistic 🤣 I most definitely have sensory issues and PDA. But again, I think it's manifestations of my cognitive functions - particularly feminine Se all the way at the bottom, and masculine Ni and Ti.
“You don’t talk enough!” ... “Well, you talk too much! 🖕🏼” Lol! Same. 😏
Have said this so many times (in my head.. not out loud) 😄
@Vivian Madeline @Mr. Spaghetti Right?! Same. It’d make me want to say, “Maybe you should worry about why you’re so concerned about why I’m quiet. Piss off!” But, ya know... can’t be like that... so, I’d just smile and awkwardly laugh it off. 😬
Thanks.
My coffee tasted *way* better when it wasn't coming out of my nose.
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Dolf Dervish 😂🤣😂
Sammy J yep yep yep. When I was younger I’d get majorly offended but now I just smile (but really it’s a smirk) 😏
as someone who works with people with autism, I actually think people of any type can have autism but I think it is traditionally associated with extreme introversion, which is why many people do not get diagnosed until much later in life. I know Fe doms who have ASD and a lot of the children I work with are very extroverted.
Also, if you’re going to be defining autism, I would use the DSM-V definition!
Actual autistic here. These guys should bring up that autism has specific symptoms that go beyond "abnormal difficulty in learning social rules." We also tend to have our own natural instinctive rules (treat everyone as social equals regardless of societal position until proven otherwise is just one), and we also have other symptoms like limited interests and extreme difficulty forming new ones, tendency to notice patterns and details that others do not, abnormally sensitive senses (there's a reason why many of us HATE bright sunny summer days - they are brighter and hotter to us than they are to most people), eye contact being super uncomfortable to us to the point where we can't look people in the eye and concentrate on what they're saying at the same time, body language and facial expressions being different, a strong need to fidget (in ways that are considered abnormal by most standards) in order to calm down or concentrate, and motor coordination skills being poor.
Not all autistics have all the symptoms in the same way that not all diabetics have blurred vision despite that being a known symptom of diabetes, but still, if a person is just socially awkward or introverted and has NONE of these other symptoms, they ain't autistic.
Second this.
There's also something about the muscular structure.. having low muscle mass or tone I think. I cannot recall the specifics but that's a big one that everyone seems to forget.
Or it's just preference? I acknowledge that you have that preference but labelling you autistic is a bit of a stretch don't you think? It may be parenting problem.I have attachment problem whereby because my parent was abusing me I lost trust many of the people outside of my family because we as human naturally think when we're a child the first people that are able to understand us is our parent not others.That's the reason why I hate monogamy because you have less mental diversity that you can reach from.If you have an estp father and you're infj,expect some aggression while if you're infj and your father is enfp it's likely that you're gonna be more accepted.This is just an example so before you label or let any authority labels you as autism first of find people,community who sees you as normal and that's the proof that's your normal and find your behavior normal.In the end,labels are subjective and it's constantly changing despite people seeing it as objective.
@@thes7450 Labels are subjective, a medical diagnosis is not. I wouldn't tell someone with cancer that they just need to find a community of cancer patients who accept them as they are; to help them understand that having cells uncontrollably replicate while using up their body's resources is perfectly normal.
No, I'd tell that cancer patient to go see a doctor before it's too late.
@@BakedRoll this is about autism not about cancer.If you compare autism with cancer obviously autism is more subjective.Obviously medical diagnosis in cancer is much more objective than autism as far as I Know.Austism is not life threatening as compare to cancer.Autism is just the difference of how the brain develop compare to other people,they often develop social interaction later in life ,it just they just focus on their introverted function more (especially their feeling or thinking side) than their extraverted function that's it.For example,intj have Fi which means they don't aware so much what other people are feelings so they often confuse why people are behaving so emotionally but intj befriend an intp would be great as intp don't care about their emotions.You get the idea they need to find their compatible type(traditional statistic shows that intj is 1% and intp about 5%) not be control.If such compatibility exist then autism is just a subjective label from medical perspective.
I knew someone who's child was diagnosed with Asperger's. She refused to allow him to go to specialist schools and wanted him to go through the normal education system. She wanted him to be treated as an individual with his own personality. It worked fine and he's a successful young man now. Very intelligent lady imv.
Interesting. I feel like if my son didn't have me as his parent, that he'd be labeled autistic and identify with that . No need for that! He has been supported in how he requires support.
As an INTP with Fi tendencies, back when I was in pre and elementary school, teachers often said that I probably have Aspergers and ADD. So I was tested for both with the result that I'm just a normal kid.
I didn't understand it back then, but after talking about it now with my parents, I know that the doctor who tested me had similar views as you guys about those mental disorders. Also that if I was tested by someone else, I'd probably have been diagnosed.
In hindsight I'm very thankful I had the ability to go through childhood without the label "mentally ill", since it would have made the disconnection I naturally experience to a lot of "normal" people so much worse and impossible to overcome.
I know a guy like that. Another example might be Canadian pianist Glen Gould, who is commonly typed INTP yet has a very strong sense of Fi. I think there is a great deal to learn from typology but I expect what we will learn about the human brain may shed light on just how complicated it is.
Thank you for sharing your story. I feel like if my son didn't have me as his parent that he'd get labeled autistic and identify with that, rather than flourish as an ISTJ and have self confidence.
I'm also INTP (I think) with a higher than expected Fi, unless I'm defining Fi wrong. It could just be I'm at a stressful time in my life at the moment.
Just wanted to say, this is probably the most CORRECT way to handle neurodivergence in personality study, and I think we're getting to the point where personality "pseudoscience" is starting to catch and overtake conventional science when it comes to this aspect of psychology. The idea that SOME people CANNOT hold themselves to the same standards as what seems "normal" is the #1 thing that attracts me to MBTI and personality types. Success will be different for different GROUPS of people. I feel like "everyone is different" and "Everyone should be capable of these basics" (the 1940's model as he says in the video) are both poorly serving society/"the tribe" and tailoring self help, psychology/therapy, and education will be SIGNIFICANTLY improved if we can start tailoring the cultural path through society to these groups.
(INTP here, FYI)
Oh and don't even get me STARTED on autism in females. I feel like personality typing ALREADY does a better job serving/helping potentially autistic/aspie women and girls than conventional psych. Social Media has identified a clear group with symptoms different but related to "traditional" (male) autism but it's taking FOREVER to even attempt to study this well, since, if you're not aware, we don't REALLY know that much about autism overall. Not in comparison to most other physiological things, similar with ADHD.
Anyway, I got started, lol. But I have to stop. TLDR I think our "understanding" of both autism and ADHD (and by extension, neurodivergence overall) is going to effectively be up-ended and revolutionized in the next 5-10yrs. At least that's what my Ne tells me.
@@vazzaroth gOSS. As a fucking Aspie girl late diagnosed, MBTI was a thing that helped me so much to look at myself better and reach a proper therapist to my case. Everything on life gets better after it, so i think it really does a better job at not generalizing the human kind needs to be or no to be, and to direct proper understanding on each individual.
You guys are like family to me, thank you for your videos
God I can’t help but imagine the implications of your research when combined with something like the DSM to further help diagnose/treat people!! This stuff needs to be researched on a way wider scale!
The scale of “wiggly” is not used enough.
Lol omg
Sir, please delete this, it makes my skin wiggly
*WIGGLING IN MY SKIN!!! THESE WIGGLES JUST WILL NOT HEÆL!!!*
Agreed. 😂
ohi ^___^ /
"Normal" is a cycle on my washing machine..
I'm more in the delicate cycle.
This is a really good video! I am an INFP, and I'm pretty convinced that I am the Fi/Si type. I'm pretty sure I have Asperger's Syndrome, or at least, I have a lot of the symptoms of it. Actually, it runs in my family. I think a lot of what you said here makes sense, because a lot of people with Asperger's and autism tend to get stuck in their inner world and aren't great at getting and using feedback from the outside world.
Asperger Syndrome is most common among INTJs and INTPs. Many geniuses and innovators from the past who were mostly INTJs and INTPs would have been diagnosed today with having this syndrome or being on the spectrum. It's ironic that the people who were and are responsible for the progress of humanity are the ones who are perceived as non-normal, having a "disorder", whereas the normies haven't really contributed much. Being "normal" means thinking inside the box, and no progress can be done with this way of thinking.
bruh shut up
I noticed a pattern like that, too. Totally non-scientific, just by quick guessing: I've set a foot into an institution where most people got a case of clinically diagnosed anorexia. I'd say 70-80% of them seem to be sleep first. Organizing and self big time. They are afraid of chaos - and they cope with it by controlling the one thing they feel like they can be in control of, which is their eating behaviour.
Many females with ASD were diagnosed with anorexia (more likely to be ARFID) as an adolescent. Yes more an antidote to chaos and not about body image. We have zero interest in celebrities but would not feel like ourselves if our bodies changed shape.
Hey, I got a notification for a reply from you but it disappeared! Not sure if you deleted it or if UA-cam is being wonky again.
@@heatherbryant4197 Eh, that seems to happen all the time. I guess if you write more than one comment, YT might see it as spam. I'm gonna post it again. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I got diagnosed with autism even though I'm normal and an ESTP. They *confirmed* that I have no trouble reading people's body language and voice tone and no trouble with chaos or disrupting routines. The only reason I got diagnosed was because *they* couldn't read *my* body language and voice tone (and that is what makes my social interactions "difficult"). I'm actually more like the opposite of autism.
@@jenlovesthisstuff This reminds me of the IxxJ box- like the body is that person's IxxJ box. It would be really hard to live with that, I see, because our bodies do tend to change throughout life. :/
I so agree with these people defining normal according to how they are with their own personality. Been there with them doing this. Annoying.
As an ISTP female, I definitely relate to a lot of the high functioning autism for females as personality traits but I have no official diagnosis of course
Interesting new thing here is that there's an autism profile called PDA, pathological demand avoidance. Extremely social and talkative, high maskers, hyper vigilant, extreme demand aversion even to their own demands on themselves. There are lots of autism profiles, not just the sleep/consume profile.
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Ti-Ni here, most of my problems stem from over isolation and not entertaining tribe interests nearly as much as speaking out/blasting about my own. I didn’t realize how frequent and recurring the problem was until very recently, when my mom pointed this out and said I haven’t exactly been the “best friend” to someone I had a falling out with.
It really hurt, especially thinking I was doing that Fe just fine. I’d just broke down right there and finally admitted I don’t understand people and have a hard time taking things literally and/or personally, or misinterpreting a situation altogether. My father, brother, (and potentially, sister) have autism and my mom and psychiatrist have said that as I grow older, they’re seeing even more traits from me being exhibited too.
A diagnosis isn’t quite necessary even though I’m being treated similarly to patients with ASD, I don’t need accommodations in my day to day life but this discovery has been a little relieving now that I know there’s an explanation for my unintentional slip ups past just “being an asshole” lol. I really don’t mean it, I just need people to be straight with me.
I guess as MF SiTe BP/S(C), I partially fit the anecdote for autism. Strong M-Si savior. I even did that lining up the cars in a row thing as a young child. As an ST 'blockhead', I would tend to take things over-literally, especially when young. My animal order may suggest otherwise, but when I fit learned the theory I mistakenly thought I was one of the S/C 'mope' types. My inner world is double masculine- M-Si + M-Fi so I wonder if that makes some difference. Also, I did not always get the positive validation when I used my savior B + P, so I ended up isolating myself and going into my head more. This was especially true in the middle school years, where I was very socially awkward and did not fit in with my peers. I never got officially diagnosed as being on the autistic spectrum but when I read about Aspergers syndrome, much of that description was scarily accurate for me in the way I behaved and processed information in my childhood. Because I'm technically more on the extroverted side compared to other ISTJs, I don't think most random people would ever suspect I'm on the autism spectrum. However, in the way I naturally process information- ST blockheaded with very strong M-Si, that could appear more like someone on the autism spectrum.
Another thing to add to ITJs and some form of autism could be PoLR Fe.
Maybe.
The repetitive behavior attribute you guys are attributing at autism spectrum disorder seems to be something very deeply ingrained in my life and experiences. Sometimes it manifests in ways that appear atypical, but since getting older I have cut back on some of those behaviors. More often it’s placing large sums of time into doing the same thing, thinking about the same exact topic, watching the same videos and listening to the same songs over and over (including this one, probably 10-15 times and maybe more). Oddly enough, the main concern that caused my parents to have me tested for Asd as a toddler were language delays and some inappropriate peer interactions, but last year when I was tested again for Asd, I had improved my language and executive functioning skills but one of the hallmarks that determined I still fit the criteria for Asd were repetitive behaviors, thoughts and movements.
Personally I can’t speak to whether or not I only “superficially” fit the criteria of Asd because I can communicate and have had academic success.
I really do appreciate this code you guys have developed. Hopefully I can use it to really help understand where I actually fit in this world. And to actually understand this subject from a way in which we can move forward with maximizing the quality of our lives.
OMG!!!
I was waiting for this vid
Let’s see if my Ti/Ni // Ti/Si predictions were accurate
Whoa. Your recent uploads seem to be very timely for the questions I am starting to have about typing. Thanks.
You two are hilarious. Your theories help order my world. ~Weird ENFP
I am impressed by your observations, they definitely make sense to me. I was diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome at a young age and luckily I've got excellent therapy (it was mainly a training how to be social, recognize emotions, play with other autistic kids etc.), so that the syndrome is more of an advantage today.
Recently I discovered the MBTI typology, learned about cognitive functions and now I landed here. Your insights are amazing!
However, I successfully typed myself as an INTJ jumper (FF Ni/Fi SC/B(P)). And I'm pretty sure I didn't mistype myself because I'm very introspective and pressure myself often with auxiliary M-Fi. Also I'm identifying with an enormous number of videos by AsuraPsych and LiJo (both INTJ). This video helped me to complete the puzzle of my personality.
I’m having a difficult time coming up with the function stacks. What I have moved towards doing is looking at when I feel most freaked out, angry, upset, etc… and looking at those points it becomes easier to see what I’m failing to do. That seems easier for me to do then diagnose my animal stack. Also just making constant mental notes of my behavior helps. Oh okay I feel scared of doing X and I don’t do X that much. Then why am I not doing X, can I break that understanding down, generalize it to all aspects of my life. Then yeah, but only if I am seeing the world the same way Op has constructed it.
I mean, I will admit that I am constantly thinking “maybe if I’m Ni-Fi, that gives demon Te and demon Se” then go think of people who have crackhead savior Te-Se energy. Pretty intimidating. Then do that with other combos and make subjective judgements about whatever demon combo there is. But like I don’t think any combo just sticks out to me as the obvious one (I would say I’ve probably hit on my exact type as defined as Op defines it). I just haven’t really owned which parts are truly mine and which ones aren’t yet.
I’m happy to hear that you have done that. I’m hoping to get some outside input to help. It’s difficult to actually get typed by Dave and Shan, because the spots fill up so quickly.
I'm a Male INFJ and have been asked if I was autistic multiple times. To the point I believed I could possibly be autistic. I'm shy, quiet and typically don't like talking for the sake of talking. When I do talk I stammer and/or pause frequently. Lots of "uh" and "ums." Not always just when I'm thinking, or easing off autopilot.
I think this is a result of dominant Ni. I speak slower than my peers, stammer and say umm a lot as well. Concepts are perfect in my head and totally fluid but speaking to others requires so much more effort. It feels like the little Microsoft loading hourglass is rotating in my head while I’m gathering the words to say while simultaneously doing the Ni stare thing. I think it leaves some people assuming we’re unintelligent or mentally challenged.
Male INFJ with Aspergers here. I'm pretty sure the diagnosis is correct. What this video and others like it suggest to me, is that the manifestations of ASD translate to the MBTI in a predictable and reproducible manner.
Not sure what it means, but if we can map the MBTI to neurological pathways, it might give us an idea about what is getting underdeveloped/overdeveloped in ASD.
Very interesting topic! I read about some thick theory book ten years ago that played with the links between personality types and mental disorders/diseases and the results were inconclusive. ie correlation could be made, but not causation. It seemed to me that this pattern suggests two forces at work, which lead to misdiagnosis. 1. Those who have slow development in one area due to overdevelopment in another; 2. Those who have damage in one area and so have no development in that area at all. Is the kid unable to develop social skills, or does he just so distracted by his saviour function that he won’t develop? The same book tried to link brain chemistry with personality, suggesting types were associated with particularly high or low levels of certain neurotransmitters, such as dopamine, serotonin, etc. Types being: Exhorter, Contributor, Perceiver, Teacher, Server, Mercy, and Facilitator...
Do you know the name of the book?
@@jennahumphrey1 I found the link: www.mentalsymmetry.com/psychology.php
What's the book
Oh! I was starting to see that pattern too!
At the beginning it was about lead Ni + Sleep high and started to go toward Oi+Sleep people...
This is probably what I would have end up eventually
The world we are hopefully moving towards is one where neurodiversity and "normalcy" are not criteria for mental illness, but only psychic suffering and dysfunction.
I've seen autism and aspergers on all mbti types. There is no correlation between autism and mbti.
(You’ve seen)
My brother has "mild"/High Functioning autism. His IQ has always been really high. He's gotten alot more functional after some counseling/therapy. We recently figured out he is INTP. I would love to hear more about your findings of autism and personality types.
Contextualization is the most important part of communication. I remember when Tiger Woods was on the media show for putting golf balls into little holes when he was a toddler. I tried to put cube balls into round openings. One of them eventually fit.
"They cant see if you point with your finger" lol
There's been interesting research done on this. And they find that generally autism spectrum behavior "disorders" are more common when (one or both) parents are older (30+ yrs of age). I am not sure where this might stem from, from an evolutionary standpoint.
Are they saying it's the genetic material of older parents that's correlated with a child having ASD, or is it the age of the people raising the child?
@@BakedRollThere is also research that says that older parents produce children with a higher intelligence than younger parents. Both of these things could be related.
It's my pesonal impression that older parents indeed produce more intelligent children, but these intelligent children also have a weaker health than the less intelligent children (with intelligence they mean IQ - as far)
This chart is very interesting. I'm finding pausing the video and reading it very helpful. I love charts and graphs.
You should consider reaching out to Max Derrat. He talks about Aspergers and Autism on UA-cam.
How interesting. I got typed as a (Ni/Te BP/C(S)) and I'm on the spectrum. My "verbiage" was a key to my diagnosis.
My demon Si experience providing behavior therapy for kids on the spectrum had a real hard time sitting through that and not worrying about the comments
Can you please do a video in the near future about savior Ti?
they did
I am an ENFJ and yes I have Aspergers....my mentor, a stereotypical INTP speech pathologist genius spent A LOT of time with the rest of the team about the diagnoses. Today you would never know but that is after the best social skills training, speech therapy, etc. you can get. Yes yes I know the latest DSM got rid of Aspergers but it is still a valid diagnoses. Honestly this is one hell of a fcking mix.....When I am in Ti grip I tend to think it is worse because ASD causes overthinking and Inferior Ti enhances it.
Ni/Fi autist here. I repeatedly prove myself to be impossible to get along with (though I don't care if people don't get along with me) because I don't refrain from expounding truth, regardless of the context of any given situation - including times when others are upset. If someone were on the brink of suicide I'd probably be as honest towards and critical of them as I would be to anyone. If someone makes a joke, I'll tell them the message and intention of the joke and whether or not it's correct in a way they will understand. If someone is looking for support or affirmation in a time of need, I will give them an objective viewpoint instead of one which would console them, even if I'm concerned about their wellbeing. You get the idea
My mom thought I had a processed issues because it took me awhile to get the information. Once I did, I was very good at driving and articulating myself.
Hey guys, interesting video. You ever heard of the 5 love languages? Would be cool to see the topic explored and expanded upon, especially in relation to mbti. Might be something there
Thank you so much for making this video!
7:20 u used the term "antisocial" incorrectly. You can be antisocial and be an extrovert
i haven't watched this yet, but i wanted to pop on and comment that i'm an autistic Fe dom! a lot of the diagnostic criteria and resources focus on white male introverted expression -- check out tania a. marshall's work on the "aspien girl" profile for a less narrow idea of what the spectrum actually is. xo
Where can I go to find instructions on how to understand this chart that you show towards the end of the video?
Patterns I've personally noticed: ISTJs & INTJs (Fe PoLR for that struggle with social expectations/norms & empathy/perspective-taking/understanding emotion, Fi child fuels passion for special interests/obsess introverted observer dominant). High Si in particular fuels repetitive behaviors and bodily sensory sensitivities (though some people on the spectrum have sensory hyposensitivity instead of hypersensitivity... These will be Se types that still exhibit repetitive sensory-oriented behavior reminiscent of Si, which makes typing difficult! (though I'm beginning to differentiate repetitive "overstimulation" [hyposensitivity] versus repetitive actions that are aversion orientated [hypersensitivity] as Se vs Si). Also, the Ni/Se people on the spectrum may be some of those individuals who don't fit the "avoids eye contact" characteristic.
Anyone else notice that some individuals with Aspergers/autism seem to be somehow using _both_ Si and Ni? Or is this just a typing problem in general? I suppose the observer issues with "things" can also make the INTJs seem like sensors and when ISTJs have weird Si qualms & quirks with things like clothing it can look like an inferior Se issue on the outside. Just as an example.
Even I score a few points on the autism assessment simply for being introverted and detail-oriented (Si) -- though not enough to actually break the threshold. But it is important to note that any one or even a few behaviors deemed criteria for autism should not be taken as a sign of diagnosis out of context.
Also, I feel like I shouldn't have to say this, but just to be clear, I am NOT implying that all INTJs or ISTJs are autistic.
I want to ask everyone who's read this far: Do you think that the order of functions could be different in people on the autism spectrum? Do you think there might be types that don't "follow the rules" (as we currently understand them)? Or do you think autism just involves more "extreme" versions of functions stacked in the traditional models? Do you think _some_ characteristics of autism cannot be traced back to stemming from cognitive functions at all? Or, do you think cognitive functions have correlation, _but not causation,_ with other factors that actually cause autistic traits? Or, do you think that autism is completely unrelated an uncorrelated to cognitive functions and type?
I'm an INTJ and an Aspie. From my observations and personal research a high proportion of Aspie's are INFJ.
@@jenlovesthisstuff Did you mean INTJ instead of INFJ?
@@heatherbryant4197 No, I meant INFJ. Whenever I meet other Aspie's I always like to ask them what personality type they are and so far most have told me they are INFJs. Both INTJs and FJs have Ni dominant and Se inferior which I notice you mentioned in your comment.
@@jenlovesthisstuff Oh, interesting. Yeah, I did mention Ni & Se. I just don't typically think of INFJs of being prone to Aspergers because of their strong Fe. This is, of course, not to say that INFJs can't fall on the spectrum. Any type could theoretically have Aspergers. But I usually see it in people with Fe 4th slot or lower, particularly blind Fe and inferior Fe. I would imagine that when you ask people their type, most of the people in everyday life would be going off the results from a website like 16personalities, which is not very reliable. Do you think it's possible that maybe some of the people you've asked were mistyped?
@@heatherbryant4197 That is a possibility, however I can think of 3 Aspie UA-camrs that are INFJ. Dan from The Aspie World, Anna Moomin, and Paul from Asperger's on the inside. Maybe go check out their content if you haven't already and I'd be really interested to know what you think 👍
My son did this with his cars and his dinosaurs. He knew the scientific names and preferred diets of thirty+ reptiles by the time he was three. He taught himself how to read. Wow, and his speech patterns are so much like Tiger’s. I’ve been told he was most likely autistic since he was 2… I’m an INTJ and in all honesty I’ve known that I fit the criteria as well. The more I learn over the years the more difficult it is to deny 😅😐
"Communicating in sleep consume". Very interesting. Another question though would be the FiNi. Probably not as outwardly organized as SiFi? An additional quesition could be: Are the types FiSi, FiNi, SiFi and NiFi all alike in the autistic definition. Maybe socially? But in outward organization?
I think they include SeTi now too in my personal experience.
I mean it makes sense. Something like a developmental disorder is going to have a big effect on your personality. I think it would be silly to say the signs of autism are just manifestations of a type, but it does raise some interesting questions of how personality develops between nature or nurture. Is the person's personality developing from an actual disorder or just from a neurotypical view of their behaviour pressed upon them?
Being an ISTP I realized that a lot of my “abnormalities” was because of my personality type! **However** the way I mentally process physical stimuli is different from the average person! I’m not strict with schedules but I will freak out if something changes because I have to assess whether or not I’ll get meltdown because of it. As an ISTP I love getting my hands dirty! But sometimes I can’t do something right away because it will trigger me..that part does piss me off. It’s not really about what you can do it’s about what you can’t do, it’s a disability and the deciding factors will always be if it disables you or actually contradicts with your personality. Or maybe not idk
As an INFP, I have trouble deciding what's personality trait and what's mental disorder. And then what's autism and what's based on upbringing.
2:24 "One ideal autism spectrum." HAHA! I didn't know there was one.
I might be very normal in my subtype. :')
Maybe there is a correlation between sites of pain and different personalities, whether someone likes physical activity, who is more judgemental, maybe correlation between people who overeat vs undereat to cope with stress, etc etc. It would be nice to see how different things cluster around some personalities
Definitely. I'm sure there are lots of correlations here.
I used to line my dolls up all the time as a kid, and would throw a tantrum if someone were to accidentally move one. 😂
On the spectrum. Mistyped as INTJ, originally mistyped as ISTJ. I'm actually INTP 5w6.
Now I don't want to jump into anything;
I been trying to use some self-restraint.
But man it's amazing,
She's the same kind of crazy as me.
I would imagine that INFPs would fit the Autistic spectrum disorder. My son is an ENFP and he has been diagnosed with ADHD and is on the autistic spectrum. He does hate change and he does obsess over things, so I am not sure. I'm an INFP and before I found out my personality type, I thought I may have been autistic. I wasn't sure. Now I know it is just my personality type and not autism.
Asocial*
10:06 😂 That's true love right there 💑
On the next class Zoom, let's forget all this typing shit and just everyone do impressions instead!
Autism does not necessarily have to make your life more difficult then everyone else just different problems then neurotypical.
There are 3 basic categories of autism:
Social (Demon Fe/Te) Ti/Fi doms
Sensory (Demon Si/Se) Ne/Ni doms
Repetitive (Demon Ne/Se) Si/Ni doms
Again just because a person has an issue in one of these categories doesn't mean they aren't amazing in another category.
Holy shit the car thing is exactly what I did as a kid
This video feels catered to me
I have adhd aspergers/autism whathaveyou and im intj mbti type. 5w4 enneagram. My kids are on the spectum as well. I am pretty normal in my type turns out.
Why's the thumbnail got Andrew Garfield?
How else do you think Peter Parker was so good at math and science?
Did you watch the whole video?
@@icanrelate Did you?
Andrew garfield is INFP
Very interesting. It looks like low blast is so confusing
Is there any place where I can see your "variable table" to understand it? It's the first time I see something similar. Thank you! ;-)
Yeah, I've had my dad refer to me as having autism - and yet, I think of myself as normal in the INTJ crowd at PerC with a 5w6. Took a test there once and couldn't even get enough points to maybe have a low degree of Asperger's. I am very introverted and I do zone out when with others... but autism???
Interesting! I am yet to be diagnosed but i think I have undiagnosed adhd and undiagnosed autism and I have typed myself as a FM - Ti/Ne - CS/P(B)
How do the personality types interact with trauma in early life? I imagine that there is a dialectic, but from your experience / viewpoint are peoples tendencies shaped by trauma and are there any patterns with the types and what they might have experienced in younger life?
I have NVLD (part of it includes ADHD) ... How does NVLD show up?
my cat has to be fi/ni. she’s pretty autistic like
Have you guys heard of the five human types and how to analyze people on sight by Elsi and Lincoln Benedict? That would something interesting to track.
My teacher used to ignore me a lot when I raised my hand to answer her questions (I was raising my hand most of the time, because I knew the answer most of the time) My mom went in to have a conversation about why she was ignoring me and teacher said to her that I should stop being a know it all and raising my hand all the time because she wanted other kids to come up with answers too. I thought that was ridiculous because she would ignore me when nobody else was raising their hand, I knew the answer, so why not let me answer? What animal would that be?
I'm now scared i might be autistic
just discovered I'm consume/ consume sleep. That's kinda explain why I always have the feeling that I'm moping whenever someone asked me, and I thought I was weird because literally everyone defined me like that, however I'm not really alone in this situation because my dad is the same as me 😂😂
There's some research that helps with two of your claims here:
1. That savior Si-sleep is correlated with autism and
2. That savior masculine modalities are correlated with autism.
It's called the "extreme male brain theory," which I know sounds like an Onion headline, but that's the name.
Here's some info: www.spectrumnews.org/news/extreme-male-brain-explained/
I’ve got autism with women
I'm sure Andrew Garfield feels great about the thumbnail
I dont understand why y'all are asking "who is he talking to?". Does he need to crack jokes and indicate the name of the person in order for it to be considered talking to someone?
Hi. Do you have a book where I can study your type theories?
This reminds me very much of Glenn Gould.
god, this is so confusing and puzzle-like. where do I even begin to learn what these charts and wheels represent.....lol :(
I have Si as a saviour, hence sensory orientated BUT Se is so hard. I have to focus so hard, I still miss everything and it's just impossible! HELP 😐
You want to study more about autism and mbti, you need to read Dr Tony Attwood's book "The Complete Guide To Aspergers."
so, I see that SCxx was mentioned, but what about xSCx? Would that be a less severe form of the same issues? To have xSCx you are limited only to one option, BS/CP which limits you to 8 sub-options. I mean, for instance, you have someone who is Ni/Fe (an INFJ) and they have a slightly harder time getting to the Consume than other folks. So, what's having that Blast right at the front going to do to affect these types?
Can a sleep/consume have ADHD? Because I think I might.
Jester of Destiny maybe ADD
AdHD doesn't ways look like bouncing off the walls. I have what could be described as "daydreamy ADHD" I don't think ADD is used as a diagnosis anymore.
Can you guys do a vid on "excuses" vs. "reasons?"
Thanks!
Interesting concept. I know that, personally, I get annoyed when people interpret my reasons as excuses (like, say, explaining to my boss why I was late), but I also get annoyed when people flood me with what I see as excuses and call them reasons. Maybe I'm just a hypocrite. But I would say an important distinction is whether there's an effort to abdicate responsibility, distract with a red herring, or avoid culpability. Someone may explain their "reasons" for doing something you didn't appreciate, just so you understand why & where they're coming from and don't assume the worst, while still accepting responsibility & consequences and moving toward a solution. But if the explanation seems to clearly be an attempt to garner sympathy and thereby leniency, or pointing the finger, whether it be at other people or unforseen circumstances, to avoid the repurcussions of being blamed, then that's when I'd call it making "excuses." This can be tricky with Fi-users, who often seem obsessed with the notion of intentions, e.g. "But I didn't mean to! I wasn't trying to!" as if that negates the consequences of their actions. Sometimes these sorts of explanations can come across as making excuses, but I think the aforementioned distinctions still apply, and if I try to imagine how they think from their perspective, perhaps they feel it's necessary and that if they didn't say that you would assume they "meant to" cause the negative impact?
Peace, Heather.
Good to see you over here.
Thank You for sharing your perspectives.
In response: Basically.
The only thing I'd add is that, for me, I *do* put a heavy premium on the principle that:
"Actions are absolutely based on intentions."
I.E. If the action produced (a) negative/harmful reaction/result(s), the intent ( + whether or not one takes up the reigns of authentic Respect & personal Accountability/Responsibility), determines the severity (&/or lack thereof) of consequence(s).
Edit: After posting my response, I've been letting it sit with me & further measuring/processing it along with your "Fi users & intent" idea/statement(s).
Conclusion: I can totally understand why Fi users would get defensive/dig their feet in based on intent (vs. perceived outcome).
Fi is: "Values/Principles."
So, if an Fi user is late (maybe even repetitively), for example, to assume they are intentionally disrespecting ettiquette is to miss the point entirely...
Right off, they wouldn't be there at all if they either didn't value it, or, the person who wants them to be there.
It's more likely they are experiencing a serious existential &/or logistical crisis (like, say, they don't want to be there, but, someone whom they value wants them to be there)..
Maybe they're internally screaming for help..
It's manifesting in the form of tardiness...
Asserting ones "authority" over them & kicking them while they're down (instead of Authentically connecting with them to root out-& work together & solve-the challenge...) just exacerbates the matter.. In *so* many nuanced ways.
Which... Is totally understandable.. Because, rectal douche-baggery (my own situationally biased opinion, of course :)).
I do wonder:
With regards to "Excuses vs. Reasons," what type(s) of data are Dave & Shan seeing (in terms of Personality Type(s))?
Thanks again Heather...
I always enjoy (& Respect) your views.
Reflections?
Peace.
INFP female - recently diagnosed with autism at 30. Okay, cool... paradigm shift, I guess. ‘MBTI’ now categorized as my “special interest” of the last decade... okay cool, I’m still not convinced you’re not singling out mostly cognitive functions. Recently introduced to an “Autism Speaks” trailer that comes across as the most fucked up kind of psycho extraverted feeling that completely dehumanizes the person with autism because their emotional state wrecks havoc on the family? Woah.
So you’re telling me the feelings I had of complete disregard for the pain I was experiencing growing up by my ESFJ mother is being advocated for by an organization?! 🥸🤮
My soapbox: Awareness of cognitive functions is necessary for intelligent, empathetic, and accurate communication. We are evolving. Full stop. 💗
I don't know if it's me but I have a feeling that there is something off about you 2.
How so?
@@skidibidup I'm not sure but the way they communicate with eachother and their facial expression especially the lady's. I can't quite put my finger on it. I just get the feeling that there might be something off.
Haha everyone has something off about them even if they don’t realize. He is always darting his eyes around with that know it all smirk and she gets that squinty eyed look, nods along, and forces the same laugh in every video.
Dave’s type: MF Ni/Fi SBPC
Shannon’s type: FM Te/Se PCSB
Reference their behavior with their type and it’ll make sense
Lemon Sqeez possibly, they just come across as unauthentic and forced
You guys don't have a book ? Your talk is very fast to the point I'm able to understand you.
Whoa, i didn't get what was the problem in Tigers response. Altho i found the news guy unbearable
I did the same thing with the cars as a kid
What does that table at 1:27 mean? What does the SC/B(P) and variations mean? And why every youtube channel that talks about the 16 types uses very different standardised language to talk about it? It makes it 100 times harder to understand. I though this MBTI was more standardised than what I'm seeing. It seams like everyone makes a different interpretation of it, and everyone uses a different method to type people. Are all of them valid? Is there any consensus about it?
I think I made too many questions lol.
I keep on getting a common theme in these videos that IJs are weirdos that should be laugh at and EJs are normal people who just have low confidence and deserve every consideration.
You should watch/analyze Love On The Spectrum
Sleep. Consume. Uh huh, uh huh. 🎶
Sleep.
Consume.
Uh-huh, uh-huh.
🎶
That's me, uh-huh, uh-huh. 🎶
🤔
The spiderman actor looks like Dave!!
How do you get what there animals are i mean when you have ni fi savior for example then my guess would be sleep (ni+fi) blast (ni+te) consume (fi+se) and play last (se+te) blast before consume because ni is the thing you do 90% of the time then and its more compare to the use of fi
How'd you guys get into this?