I worked for MB2/Ginn/DEI during this time. I remember the absolute heartbreak of losing the Daytona 500 with Martin. We had an incredible group of people in the shop, but I honestly believe Ginn was in way over his head in so many ways.
What do you think would have happened if Mark Martin would have won the Daytona 500? I know your in the spot bur Winning the Daytona 500 changes things huge. Do you think that would changed things? Also do you think if Bobby Ginn wouldn't have tried to get to big and rran 1 or 2 Cars. Also he picked a bad time to come into the sport having to have the Monte Carlo and the COT Impala that had to have cost much more then running one just model of a car. Plus I bet those cars Bobby Ginn had to buy from Hendrick must have been way expensive. When they were running Hendrick equipment they ran great but DEI equipment was not the same. In the future we saw Furniture Row Buy everything from Gibbs and win a Championship then next year folding. Furniture Row was losing money winning a championship.
I noticed something: MB2 became Ginn, which merged with DEI, which then merged with Ganassi, which has now recently been sold to Trackhouse... also, Ginn/DEI really fumbled the bag in terms of potentially making a super team with Mark Martin, Dale Earnhardt Jr and Kyle Busch... although that would have required Dale Earnhardt Jr and his stepmother to repair a relationship that, in all honesty, no one in that building could fix, also I love the shot that Brock made with the "he won rookie of the year and yes, this race at Talladega"
Ginn thought just tossing a bunch of money around was going to make him the next Rick Hendrick. He had no clue how to run a race car organization. A lot of people with deep pockets have tried to do the same thing over the years and it didn’t work because they didn’t know what they were doing with racing teams despite being successful in other businesses
30:50 notice how Mark Martin's interview is being done in front of Hendrick's #5 CarQuest car. A bizzare coincidence, as he'd move to that car in 2009.
Brock Beard, Nascarman history and Slapshoes - three awesome UA-cam channels for motorsports history fans. Brock's narrating voice is super easy to listen to. He doesn't use humour or opinions; instead he describes what is on the screen slowly and clearly. On the flip side, I enjoy Slapshoes' Southern dry humour. It doesn't feel like he's trying to be funny - he says his thoughts and with his slight Southern accent I bust out laughing constantly. Thanks to both of you for a great collaboration of two of UA-cam's best.
His dry humor reminds me of Wally Dallenbach, Jr. Burney Lamar was involved in 3 cautions at Richmond one time and Wally goes "There's Burney Lamar, he didn't want to miss out."
That's correct. Marlin also attempted the night race at Bristol for Furniture Row in 2007, but failed to qualify. Furniture Row's own role in this whole story could almost be a video in and of itself.
Btw, that one picture is a bit jumbled because the 1 which came from DEI is now apart of Trackhouse and the 42 is with the 43 after GMS Racing moved to Cup and acquired Richard Petty Motorsports to form Petty-GMS and the 34 of Front Row is the only one still alive on its own
Honestly, the quest to replace Mark Martin at Roush deserves its own separate video. I've read that both Carl Edwards and Jamie McMurray were candidates to replace him at one point. Chip Ganassi Racing was also impacted by these events.
Right! Hard to believe a Man standing 5' 3" & weighing a buck twenty five could carry so much weight! 😏 While Mark wasn't "my guy" I have more respect for him as "A Man" than anyone this side of The King & Bud Moore 💪🤠👍
It would have been McMurray taking over in 2006 had the issues with Kurt Busch not happened. Also, Kasey Kahne could have been the driver had the lawsuit that allowed him to get out of his Ford development driver contract gone the other way.
I give Ginn credit. He took a chance and gambled in a new investment... And was actually able to get results. However, I believe he was far too ambitious and was trying to do too much to quickly. I believe had he stayed grounded in a 2 car team for a bit longer and just garnished some stability and a good platform, that growth would've followed much more naturally, and he wouldn't have folded.. at least as a nascar team
Thank you for making this doc. MB2 Motorsports was my favorite team in NASCAR. A lot of my favorite drivers drove for them. To me, they were the underdogs with good speed (thanks to Hendrick engines) but bad luck. How many times did a 'Big One' spit out a car at the 10/14 and turn it into a last-moment twisted mess? Many years later, I can probably still recount all the times Joe in the 01 had a good run ruined by one thing or another. He should've won Fontana and the Coke 600 in '05. I'd already been a fan of Joe and MB2, so it was the perfect combo for me. MB2 were competitive in '04-'05, but by '06 their performance had dropped. Even I couldn't deny that. So when Sterling led the pack at Talladega in '07, I made sure to savor it, for I knew that it was likely the last great run (and even that one didn't finish cleanly). The emptiness of that 14 car that day was the first sign of trouble behind the scenes. Much like the "Honk if Bobby owes you money!" sticker superimposed on the video thumbnail, I made a similar message on Sterling's white Talladega car as part of a computer class PhotoShop assignment. Despite all the modern-day drivers whom I can't stand, my biggest enemy in NASCAR will always be Bobby Ginn. Sure, I probably didn't know the whole story, and maybe MB2 needed Ginn to even exist in '07, but that was such a disgusting end to the team that I'd been following since their beginning, both from the 36 decorated with Skittles and the 10 being that "Fast White Car." I last saw the team race at Sonoma in '07. Sterling's jet-black 14 suffered an engine failure, and Joe's Haier 13 had a great big dent in the nose. Not the greatest of days. I'm still all about the underdogs. These days I cheer on Aric in the SHR 10 and Front Row Motorsports. Having watched Joe's victory at Kansas in '04, it's weird to see little John Hunter drive in Cup with the big boys now. Anyway, sorry for my rambling on. Thank you once again for telling the story of MB2, the little-ish engine that sometimes could.
Rambling?? 😳! LOL, you're kidding right? One of the best thought out & written comments I've ever read, especially on a Nascar based site! 💪😎👍 Well done Sir.
Kind of crazy how Mark Martin and Dale Jr. were teammates twice in three years on completely different teams in completely different situations (From Ginn to Hendrick)
I know that no one will see this, but here’s where all the drivers involved in this at some point ended up, and where there careers went: Regan Smith: As said in the video, he drove the 01 for 34 of the 36 races in 2008, was on the bad end of the Talladega controversy, and won ROTY honors. And once that team shut down, Smith moved to Furniture Row Racing. He stayed with them up until 2012, nabbing his emotional first Cup win at Darlington in 2011. After 2012, he shifted focus to the now Xfinity Series in the #7 for JR Motorsports, where he’d get a total of 5 wins from 2013-2015 with a best points finish of 2nd in 2014 behind my favorite driver of Chase Elliott, who locked up the title after Phoenix, a race where Smith finished 10th. Outside of a single full-time season in 2017 for Tommy Baldwin Racing in the 7 (except for Chicagoland), he spent his cup days more or less as a sub. In 2012 he ran two races subbing for Dale Jr, and qualified for Jimmie Johnson at Richmond in 2013 while Johnson was patiently waiting for the birth of his second child, along with Kyle Larson at Martinsville in 2015 due to Larson fainting the day before. His most recent Cup stint was in 2018, finishing out the season for Kasey Kahne in the 95 for Leavine Family Racing when Kahne suffered from dehydration problems. His last NASCAR sanctioned start was in 2019, when he ran 2 races in the 8 for JR Motorsports in the Xfinity Series at Mid-Ohio and Road America, finishing 21st and 13th respectively. Aric Almirola: Also as mentioned, Aric Almirola ran races in the 8 for 2008 alongside Mark Martin, but that team was also effectively killed off in the CGR merger in 2009. He ran Part-Time in 2010 for Phoenix Racing, Tommy Baldwin Racing, and Richard Petty Motorsports (Ironic). Across all 3 teams, he got 4 DNQ’s and a best finish of 4th in the season finale at Homestead for RPM. He didn’t return to Cup competition until 2012, running full-time for RPM with sponsorship from Smithfield. He stayed with them until the end of 2017, getting his first career cup win with them in a rain shortened Coke Zero 400 at Daytona in 2014. His career outside of that wasn’t much really. He made the headlines again in 2017, when he was sidelined for 7 races after suffering a fractured vertebrae in a violent crash at Kansas. He left Richard Petty Motorsports after 2017 along with his primary sponsor Smithfield, and went over to the #10 at Stewart-Haas Racing to replace the now retired Danica Patrick. He’s been with them ever since, and got his second career cup win with them at Talladega; all-be-it a controversial finish. Out of all the drivers affected by this, he remains the only one full-time, and one of two involved overall alongside Kyle Busch. Thus far in 2020, he has 5 Top 5’s and 12 Top 10’s with a best finish of 3rd three times at Talladega, Pocono, and Indianapolis. Mark Martin: Mark would drive for the #8 DEI entry in 2008, running 24 races with a best finish of 3rd at Richmond. But as previously mentioned, that team shut down in the CGR merger. However, Mark still had some sunny days ahead of him. He signed with Hendrick in 2009 to drive the #5 full-time, and stayed with them through to 2011. He scored his final 5 cup series wins with them in 2009, and finished 2nd in points that year behind- of course- teammate, Jimmie Johnson. After that, he had a best points finish of 13th the next year. He parted with them after the season, and ran part time in 2012 and 2013 with Michael Waltrip Racing, a tenor most known for his odd and scary looking accident at Michigan in 2012. His final starts were in 2013, where he ran 15 races in the 55 with a best finish of 3rd at the Daytona 500 behind Dale Earnhardt Jr. and- again- Jimmie Johnson. He also subbed for Denny Hamlin at Martinsville while he was recovering from the back injury he sustained after his hard crash at Auto Club, and finished 10th. He ran 11 of the final 12 races of that season, and the final 11 of his career, in the 14 for Stewart-Haas Racing, subbing in for Tony Stewart while he was dealing with a leg injury suffered in a sprint car race. In those 11 races, he had a best finish of 9th at Richmond. Although various rumors have sparked over the years, Mark has said it himself; he doesn’t plan on returning. Dale Earnhardt Jr (2007 rumors of him going to Ginn in ‘08): In July of 2007, it had been officially confirmed that Dale Jr would be leaving DEI after the season concluded. The team he ended up going to was Hendrick Motorsports in a new 88 entry, and from 2009-2011 was actually a teammate with Martin, which is neat considering how cool Mark said it was when they were briefly teammates at DEI. Dale endured a long winless drought with Hendrick from 2008-2012, a streak with 7 runner-up finishes and more heartbreaks that both started and ended at my hometown track of MIS. In 2014 he had an amazing season, similar to that of his DEI days, getting 4 wins (including a Pocono Sweep) but finished 8th in final standings. He got his final 2 career wins the next year at Talladega and a rain-shortened race at Phoenix. In 2016, he only ended up running the first 18 races of the season due to the long-lasting effects of his concussion. Subbing for him were Jeff Gordon and Alex Bowman. He announced in April of 2017 that he’d retire at season’s end. He missed the playoffs and finished 21st in final series standings, with a best finish of 5th at Texas. Since then, his schedule has reduced to one-off Xfinity Series races in the 8 for his own team of JR Motorsports, and also became a co-commentator for NBC and NBCSN alongside Rick Allen, Steve Leatarte, and Jeff Burton. Kyle Busch (rumors of him going to Ginn in 08): As said in the video, he moved to Joe Gibbs Racing in 2008, and has remained there ever since. From 2008-2014, Kyle got an impressive 25 wins, with a best points finish of 4th in 2013. But then his life took a dramatic turn in 2015, when he suffered a serious leg injury. He sat out the next 10 races, with drivers such as Matt Crafton and Erik Jones subbing for him, but was still granted a playoff waiver by NASCAR, meaning he was still able to make the playoffs. Once he came back- although it took a minute- he took off. 5 wins (including 3 in a row from Kentucky to Indianapolis), 12 Top 5’s, 16 Top 10’s, and his first ever Cup Series title. It will go down in NASCAR history as one of the most incredible comebacks in a single season, up there with the likes of Alan Kulwicki’s comeback in 1992. In 2016, he’d get 4 more wins and made the Final 4 for a second straight season, but this time finished 3rd in the standings. In 2017, he suffered the longest winless single-season drought in his time with JGR of 20 races, and his second longest overall (longest was 24 races in 2004). Kyle streak was ended at Pocono, and went on to get 4 more wins, including back-to-back wins at New Hampshire and Dover. He made the Final 4 once again, and finished runner-up behind alliance-based teammate Martin Truex Jr. In 2018, he was apart of the “Big Three” narrative alongside Martin Truex Jr. and Kevin Harvick. He got 7 wins before the round of 8 that year, including 3 straight from Texas to Richmond. He then won the first race on the updated Phoenix track to lock himself into the Final 4, where he finished 4th in final standings. In 2019, he was champion once more, getting 5 wins, 17 Top 5’s, and 27 Top 10’s. Thus far in 2020, he’s tied his record for his longest winless drought with JGR, currently with 8 Top 5’s and 10 Top 10’s. Along with Aric Almirola, as previously mentioned, he’s one of the only 2 people involved in the whole ordeal that’s still running full-time For those who did read, thank you. And Brock, if you see this, once I get some great equipment, in the future, I’d love to collab with you on something. I’ve had an idea to look at Hendrick Motorsports’ success outside of the Cup Series.
@@Miatacrosser I find it both amazing AND disgusting how vindictive losers like you try to project your own misery onto someone else who is obviously a much better person than yourself.
Funnily, Jayksi's site showed a Waste Management scheme that Marlin was set to drive in August on Michigan as a Chevrolet tribute, it ended up being never driven at all.
my cousin and uncle went to the Chicagoland race in 2007, Sterling Marlin was one of the drivers I rooted for and they got me a 1/64 Waste Management car he drove. Little did any of us know that was the last race he ran in that car.
Nice! After Sterling qualified for the first five races pretty easily in '07, I actually thought he would have a decent season but it seems like the #14 team couldn't complete a race without having issues when they had a good car. He ran great in the 2007 UAW-Daimler Chrysler 400 at Las Vegas but his engine expired with a few laps to go. He also deserved a good result at Talladega but his car's nose got damaged. There are several other examples... I also watched the 2007 Checker Auto Parts 500 and he was surprisingly fast in the #09. Unfortunately, he cut a tire down early in the race and had to pit under green and the cautions never fell when he needed despite being the first car a lap down for a while, he managed to follow the #24, #12 and some other Top5 cars from lap 155 to 200 and he didn't even have the freshest tires. Probably the last time he ran competitive lap times in a cup race.
Ginn's Reunion Resort, south of DisneyWorld, shafted a lot of people. I, as Agent for Capmark, had to come in representing eight banks and get then out of their $400 million investment in the Ginn scam.
You have to remember that this collapse happened during the Great Recession when everything was folding up. Racing took a massive beating during this time in every form of racing. GM and Dodge both had to be bailed out by the government during that time.
Yeah especially since they cant make up their mind if they want to keep racing or not. One year we are hearing they are shutting down, then they show up at random races the next. Cover them while they are still around
2 guys who put out some great and very professional content. I've always liked these longer videos, has more of a documentary feel to it and the time and effort it takes to put it all together does not go unnoticed. It's funny during Dale Jrs podcast with Mark Martin they touched on the merger a bit but only that Mark drove the 8 and how he got thrown in the middle of that debacle, now I know the whole story on that deal.
Great job guys as always. Brock and Slapshoes are making truły astonishing videos and I love every minute off it. Slapshoes videos about 2003 Darlington and 2007 Daytona 500 finishes and Brock videos about Sears Point and Jerry Nadeau are such a blast to watch, one of my favorites things that I ever seen on UA-cam period! Greetings to both of you from Poland and thank you for your work guys.
Everybody was! 😠 I have zero affection for Denny Hamlin, but credit to him as he obviously did not want to do it 💪 Total Chicken 💩 move by the Toyota TRD people, of course that was just one of many of those kinds of 💩 decisions by TRD 👎🤮
Bobby Ginn reminds me of another sports executive who lied about his worth: John Spano. Spano ruined the NHL's New York Islanders and Ginn destoryed this NASCAR team. Both didn't have anywhere close to the cash required to run their desired goals.
John Hunter Nemechek a disgrace to racing imo. The last time I saw him win a race, I think it was a Truck race, was because he tapped and pinned his opponent who easily had the win, he pinned him against the wall as Nemechek wins the race. I cannot believe they let him keep that win. Im pretty sure it was a road course. I supoose John Hunter figured that if he was not faster, then he would just get physical with the car that was and win the race that way.
@@aholegunner That's just being aggressive. He was driving for his dad's low budget team and they start-and-parked in the Cup series to finance the single-truck team, while Cole was driving a much-faster, Hendrick-prepared truck. He's won other truck and Xfinity races since. Now if that were a teammate, or an earlier lap, like what Noah Gragson does on a regular basis, that would be different. There is a lot worse out there today than John Hunter Nemechek.
Even after this silly season, all the cars shown at 38:05 are still in the Cup Series. The 34 is still Front Row, the 1 is now with Trackhouse, and the 42 and 43 are now Petty GMS.
You're very correct. When writing the script, I had to streamline it a bit with all the different angles to the story. There were also some interesting one-off sponsors Joe Nemechek ran in the #13, including a scheme at Daytona that honored fallen firefighters. The MBV deal probably should've made the cut as James Rocco of Valvoline was the listed owner for the #10 team, and likely had a hand in the group moving to Evernham.
Brock Beard thanks for the response! It’s a long story so you can only get so much with out making it confusing and long. I understand. Again great job as always!
Super interesting video! I remember a lot of this, but I was in middle school during the ‘07-‘08 years so I didn’t understand everything that was going on. Cool to get it all sort of fleshed out and explained.
Every time I watch that 2007 Daytona 500 finish I just see a tile bush that is committed to Mark Martin trying to get him that that trophy it unfortunately he just just couldn't get it done they just couldn't get it done
Nascar SHOULD have thrown the caution flag when the big crash started! Them not throwing it cost Mark Martin a Daytona 500 trophy & made the crash much worse than it should have been 👎
Nice video about the history of MB2 Motorsports and Ginn Racing. I've been to the Ginn Racing shops a month before it closed. They gave me a Mark Martin autographed Army hat. So that was cool at least. Yeah, such a shame what happened behind the scenes that forced Ginn Racing to merge into DEI. Sometimes I often wonder what would have happened if Ginn Racing wasn't forced to merge with DEI and Bobby Ginn never had his financial troubles. Perhaps Ginn Racing could have been a powerhouse team today.
I honestly hope you continue to make long videos about all of the teams you can think of. Whether the teams were successful or unsuccessful and anywhere in between. Thank you for this.
The strangest thing about MB2/Ginn/DEI/Ganassi to me is how many times the same number popped up, 01. SABCO ran a 01 as a test car, and then renumbered the 42 to 01 after Irwin died, and kept that number until being totally bought out by Ganassi. Then MB2 got the army sponsorship, and to reflect the Army of One slogan used at the time switched the 36 to 01, as the 1 was taken by DEI. Eventually DEI buys out Ginn, and takes on the 01 team and they move the sponsorship over... to the 8 car. Despite having the 1 car that was the entire reason the 01 was even numbered 01 in the first place. And they kept the 01 running, despite minimal sponsorship. It wasn't until DEI merged with Ganassi that the 01 was finally put to rest.
Great video. I don't think Ginn was a fraud, but very much do think he got in over his head and without the experience and the people to overcome the chaos that has always been NASCAR Cup Series racing, was not able to navigate the waters successfully. That said, once things went south, Ginn didn't deal with the accompanying fallout well (see Marlin and Nemechek), which in turn severely tarnished what, if any, good reputation he may have had. Not to be lost in all this (which is worthy of its own video) is Dale Earnhardt Inc. DEI, more notably Theresa Earnhardt, seemed to really go out of their way to destroy themselves. In my opinion, had DEI consolidated early once Dale Jr left, and focused on one or two really good cars instead of Almirola, Smith and Menard... perhaps they would have stuck around a good deal longer. I think they should have focused on Truex Jr. Either way, the rise and fall of MB2/Ginn Racing is an interesting story that many teams faced... after the impact of the 2008 rescission but indeed was the start of a trend that continues to have repercussions 13 years later.
My mom was an employee for Ginn during this time period. She work in an accounting department at one of his central Florida resorts. She too lost her job when it was said an done.
I'm sorry to hear that. It's surprising to me the Ginn story doesn't get more attention these days as it sounds like it affected so many people like your mother.
Great in-depth coverage. Would have been fun for you to include some footage of the black Ginn Blimp Bobby commissioned to fly around Daytona when Sterling drove for him. Such a total waste of $$$ to feed his ego...
Something I don't get is why Nemechek and Marlin didn't run better in 2006 or 2007. Nemechek ran decently well in 2004 and 2005, so I wonder what changed. Mark Martin had the speed...that's the part I don't get.
2008 collapse of the economy viciously affected resorts, Ginn’s bread and butter. I think Great Recession had the biggest impact on Ginn as well as all of the teams and sponsors
FUnny enough, I was just finishing up a Fight to the Top season in Nascar 07 this morning and got a contract offer from MB2 (Ginn) to replace Joe Nemechek in the 01 Army Chevy (I also got an offer from Hendrick to replace Jeff Gordon of all people in the 24) but I'm still thinking it over. I'm leaning towards taking the MB2 offer (but Hendrick is so freaking tempting), but in my head the merger with DEI has already happened since I'm headed into the 2008 season. Sterling Marlin and Dale Jarrett have retired.
Now the remaining teams from the Ginn Era is the 1, 91, and 99 for TrackHouse, 42, 43, and 84 for Petty GMS (well now Legacy Motor Club), 34, 36, and 38 for Front Row Motorsports…sheesh
What?? 😳! LOL, just kidding, but seriously, the Kinser klan aren't a braggadocious bunch 👍 Kraig's Daddy was a pretty fair Sprintcar driver his own Royal self 😉
And now the 43 gets merged, too, so literally Front Row Motorpsorts, through hell and high water, are still alive without needing a merger, thus being the only one that way.
I always wonder, if Mark won the 500, would he have gone full time in 2007? Winning the 500 would be a huge monetary boost for Ginn, and would attract more sponsors. Mark staying full time and battling for the points lead would possibly keep other sponsors from leaving. It probably wouldn’t save the team in the long run, but maybe Marlin would have had a more competitive ride
I didn’t realize this til now, but since you started the video with footage of a Joe Nemechek win (for the second time) I had to see what his other wins were. Rockingham 2001 driving the #33 for Andy Petree, and Richmond 2003 in the Hendrick #25. I did not realize that Joe, who replaced Jerry Nadeau in the 25, won the race where Jerry, in the 01, had his career ending crash, and that Joe (a few months later) would end up as the full time replacement for Jerry in the 01, and would again win in Jerry’s old car. That is a seriously strange set of connections. Anyway, I wrote this comment to say that we need two more videos from you that start with footage of Joe Nemechek’s wins.
Random Epic Brock’s video “Three Before February” starts out with that win at New Hampshire. It was Joe’s first Cup win, and the first NASCAR win for him since his brother, John, died in a truck race at Homestead in 1997. Up to that point, John had been the last driver to die in NASCAR. However, Adam Petty would die in May 2000 in a testing crash at New Hampshire, and Kenny Irwin would die in a practice crash in July at New Hampshire, while driving the #42 Joe had won in the previous fall. Definitely check out the video. It’s incredibly well done, and explains how these deaths (along with Tony Roper’s death in a truck race at Texas) were warning signs that NASCAR chose to ignore; warning signs that ultimately, if NASCAR had acted on them, could have saved Dale Earnhardt’s life.
I liked mb2 motorsports, i always root for underdogs and they tried really hard and in todays climate they couldve stayed competitive and in the cup series.
I worked for MB2/Ginn/DEI during this time. I remember the absolute heartbreak of losing the Daytona 500 with Martin. We had an incredible group of people in the shop, but I honestly believe Ginn was in way over his head in so many ways.
You’re not the same Andy page I raced karts with in California are you?
That race broke my heart too. Mark absolutely deserved to win that race.
What do you think would have happened if Mark Martin would have won the Daytona 500? I know your in the spot bur Winning the Daytona 500 changes things huge. Do you think that would changed things? Also do you think if Bobby Ginn wouldn't have tried to get to big and rran 1 or 2 Cars. Also he picked a bad time to come into the sport having to have the Monte Carlo and the COT Impala that had to have cost much more then running one just model of a car. Plus I bet those cars Bobby Ginn had to buy from Hendrick must have been way expensive. When they were running Hendrick equipment they ran great but DEI equipment was not the same. In the future we saw Furniture Row Buy everything from Gibbs and win a Championship then next year folding. Furniture Row was losing money winning a championship.
@@matthewmauran9453 dunno maybe they would have still closed but what I'm thinking is what would've bobby ginn never bought into mb2
That’s wild. What was it like it when I y’all found out Jr was leaving?
Mark was so right about the future of small teams in the cup series
Love this video guys! Never realized just how much behind the scenes was going on with Ginn.
Do a Rant on Ginn
I noticed something: MB2 became Ginn, which merged with DEI, which then merged with Ganassi, which has now recently been sold to Trackhouse... also, Ginn/DEI really fumbled the bag in terms of potentially making a super team with Mark Martin, Dale Earnhardt Jr and Kyle Busch... although that would have required Dale Earnhardt Jr and his stepmother to repair a relationship that, in all honesty, no one in that building could fix, also I love the shot that Brock made with the "he won rookie of the year and yes, this race at Talladega"
Ginn thought just tossing a bunch of money around was going to make him the next Rick Hendrick. He had no clue how to run a race car organization. A lot of people with deep pockets have tried to do the same thing over the years and it didn’t work because they didn’t know what they were doing with racing teams despite being successful in other businesses
30:50 notice how Mark Martin's interview is being done in front of Hendrick's #5 CarQuest car. A bizzare coincidence, as he'd move to that car in 2009.
1:31 "hey John Hunter"
I’m glad I’m not the only one that was SENT by that clip.
Ikr
Damn we are old, Jeb and Harison Burton, John Hunter, Ryan Blaney, and even Chase, yeah we have seen them years ago as kids.
@dega You're using my Microsoft Teams profile picture for school
Your timing is off. I clicked on your stamp twice before I realised it is
1:29
Brock Beard, Nascarman history and Slapshoes - three awesome UA-cam channels for motorsports history fans. Brock's narrating voice is super easy to listen to. He doesn't use humour or opinions; instead he describes what is on the screen slowly and clearly. On the flip side, I enjoy Slapshoes' Southern dry humour. It doesn't feel like he's trying to be funny - he says his thoughts and with his slight Southern accent I bust out laughing constantly. Thanks to both of you for a great collaboration of two of UA-cam's best.
His dry humor reminds me of Wally Dallenbach, Jr. Burney Lamar was involved in 3 cautions at Richmond one time and Wally goes "There's Burney Lamar, he didn't want to miss out."
Actually Sterling Marlin ended the 2007 season driving for James Finch in the 09 Car at Phoenix and Homestead
NASCARFAN93100 Also Regan Smith did not win at DEGA in the 01 car.. 🧐
Aaron David yes he did, NASCAR just took it away for no reason (he got forced below the line so there really was no reason for him to lose the win)
That's correct. Marlin also attempted the night race at Bristol for Furniture Row in 2007, but failed to qualify. Furniture Row's own role in this whole story could almost be a video in and of itself.
@@LASTCARonBROCK 2017 Champion and Then shuts Down a Year Later
@@DupontandLowesWarrior Most likely because Joe Gibbs Racing thought that they were being a little bit too competitive for the coach's taste.
Much respect to the officers covering the scene at the fence line at 2:58. Very respectful.
Btw, that one picture is a bit jumbled because the 1 which came from DEI is now apart of Trackhouse and the 42 is with the 43 after GMS Racing moved to Cup and acquired Richard Petty Motorsports to form Petty-GMS and the 34 of Front Row is the only one still alive on its own
Honestly, the quest to replace Mark Martin at Roush deserves its own separate video. I've read that both Carl Edwards and Jamie McMurray were candidates to replace him at one point. Chip Ganassi Racing was also impacted by these events.
Right! Hard to believe a Man standing 5' 3" & weighing a buck twenty five could carry so much weight! 😏
While Mark wasn't "my guy" I have more respect for him as "A Man" than anyone this side of The King & Bud Moore 💪🤠👍
It would have been McMurray taking over in 2006 had the issues with Kurt Busch not happened.
Also, Kasey Kahne could have been the driver had the lawsuit that allowed him to get out of his Ford development driver contract gone the other way.
Such a domino effect. So strange watching Mark drive the 8 at DEI. Just nose bleeds allover the place.
I give Ginn credit. He took a chance and gambled in a new investment... And was actually able to get results. However, I believe he was far too ambitious and was trying to do too much to quickly. I believe had he stayed grounded in a 2 car team for a bit longer and just garnished some stability and a good platform, that growth would've followed much more naturally, and he wouldn't have folded.. at least as a nascar team
Thank you for making this doc. MB2 Motorsports was my favorite team in NASCAR. A lot of my favorite drivers drove for them. To me, they were the underdogs with good speed (thanks to Hendrick engines) but bad luck. How many times did a 'Big One' spit out a car at the 10/14 and turn it into a last-moment twisted mess? Many years later, I can probably still recount all the times Joe in the 01 had a good run ruined by one thing or another. He should've won Fontana and the Coke 600 in '05. I'd already been a fan of Joe and MB2, so it was the perfect combo for me.
MB2 were competitive in '04-'05, but by '06 their performance had dropped. Even I couldn't deny that. So when Sterling led the pack at Talladega in '07, I made sure to savor it, for I knew that it was likely the last great run (and even that one didn't finish cleanly). The emptiness of that 14 car that day was the first sign of trouble behind the scenes. Much like the "Honk if Bobby owes you money!" sticker superimposed on the video thumbnail, I made a similar message on Sterling's white Talladega car as part of a computer class PhotoShop assignment.
Despite all the modern-day drivers whom I can't stand, my biggest enemy in NASCAR will always be Bobby Ginn. Sure, I probably didn't know the whole story, and maybe MB2 needed Ginn to even exist in '07, but that was such a disgusting end to the team that I'd been following since their beginning, both from the 36 decorated with Skittles and the 10 being that "Fast White Car." I last saw the team race at Sonoma in '07. Sterling's jet-black 14 suffered an engine failure, and Joe's Haier 13 had a great big dent in the nose. Not the greatest of days.
I'm still all about the underdogs. These days I cheer on Aric in the SHR 10 and Front Row Motorsports. Having watched Joe's victory at Kansas in '04, it's weird to see little John Hunter drive in Cup with the big boys now. Anyway, sorry for my rambling on. Thank you once again for telling the story of MB2, the little-ish engine that sometimes could.
Rambling?? 😳! LOL, you're kidding right? One of the best thought out & written comments I've ever read, especially on a Nascar based site!
💪😎👍 Well done Sir.
Kind of crazy how Mark Martin and Dale Jr. were teammates twice in three years on completely different teams in completely different situations (From Ginn to Hendrick)
I just finished reading your book on JD McDuffie and it was amazing. I learned so much not just about JD but NASCAR its self. I loved it so much
Thank you. I really wanted to make it as detailed as possible since info on J.D. had been so scattered up to that point.
Oh heck yeah. Been waiting for a Ginn Racing video from you or Slapshoes.
If i may make a suggestion for another one: Evernham/Gillette.
I know that no one will see this, but here’s where all the drivers involved in this at some point ended up, and where there careers went:
Regan Smith: As said in the video, he drove the 01 for 34 of the 36 races in 2008, was on the bad end of the Talladega controversy, and won ROTY honors. And once that team shut down, Smith moved to Furniture Row Racing. He stayed with them up until 2012, nabbing his emotional first Cup win at Darlington in 2011. After 2012, he shifted focus to the now Xfinity Series in the #7 for JR Motorsports, where he’d get a total of 5 wins from 2013-2015 with a best points finish of 2nd in 2014 behind my favorite driver of Chase Elliott, who locked up the title after Phoenix, a race where Smith finished 10th. Outside of a single full-time season in 2017 for Tommy Baldwin Racing in the 7 (except for Chicagoland), he spent his cup days more or less as a sub. In 2012 he ran two races subbing for Dale Jr, and qualified for Jimmie Johnson at Richmond in 2013 while Johnson was patiently waiting for the birth of his second child, along with Kyle Larson at Martinsville in 2015 due to Larson fainting the day before. His most recent Cup stint was in 2018, finishing out the season for Kasey Kahne in the 95 for Leavine Family Racing when Kahne suffered from dehydration problems. His last NASCAR sanctioned start was in 2019, when he ran 2 races in the 8 for JR Motorsports in the Xfinity Series at Mid-Ohio and Road America, finishing 21st and 13th respectively.
Aric Almirola: Also as mentioned, Aric Almirola ran races in the 8 for 2008 alongside Mark Martin, but that team was also effectively killed off in the CGR merger in 2009. He ran Part-Time in 2010 for Phoenix Racing, Tommy Baldwin Racing, and Richard Petty Motorsports (Ironic). Across all 3 teams, he got 4 DNQ’s and a best finish of 4th in the season finale at Homestead for RPM. He didn’t return to Cup competition until 2012, running full-time for RPM with sponsorship from Smithfield. He stayed with them until the end of 2017, getting his first career cup win with them in a rain shortened Coke Zero 400 at Daytona in 2014. His career outside of that wasn’t much really. He made the headlines again in 2017, when he was sidelined for 7 races after suffering a fractured vertebrae in a violent crash at Kansas. He left Richard Petty Motorsports after 2017 along with his primary sponsor Smithfield, and went over to the #10 at Stewart-Haas Racing to replace the now retired Danica Patrick. He’s been with them ever since, and got his second career cup win with them at Talladega; all-be-it a controversial finish. Out of all the drivers affected by this, he remains the only one full-time, and one of two involved overall alongside Kyle Busch. Thus far in 2020, he has 5 Top 5’s and 12 Top 10’s with a best finish of 3rd three times at Talladega, Pocono, and Indianapolis.
Mark Martin: Mark would drive for the #8 DEI entry in 2008, running 24 races with a best finish of 3rd at Richmond. But as previously mentioned, that team shut down in the CGR merger. However, Mark still had some sunny days ahead of him. He signed with Hendrick in 2009 to drive the #5 full-time, and stayed with them through to 2011. He scored his final 5 cup series wins with them in 2009, and finished 2nd in points that year behind- of course- teammate, Jimmie Johnson. After that, he had a best points finish of 13th the next year. He parted with them after the season, and ran part time in 2012 and 2013 with Michael Waltrip Racing, a tenor most known for his odd and scary looking accident at Michigan in 2012. His final starts were in 2013, where he ran 15 races in the 55 with a best finish of 3rd at the Daytona 500 behind Dale Earnhardt Jr. and- again- Jimmie Johnson. He also subbed for Denny Hamlin at Martinsville while he was recovering from the back injury he sustained after his hard crash at Auto Club, and finished 10th. He ran 11 of the final 12 races of that season, and the final 11 of his career, in the 14 for Stewart-Haas Racing, subbing in for Tony Stewart while he was dealing with a leg injury suffered in a sprint car race. In those 11 races, he had a best finish of 9th at Richmond. Although various rumors have sparked over the years, Mark has said it himself; he doesn’t plan on returning.
Dale Earnhardt Jr (2007 rumors of him going to Ginn in ‘08): In July of 2007, it had been officially confirmed that Dale Jr would be leaving DEI after the season concluded. The team he ended up going to was Hendrick Motorsports in a new 88 entry, and from 2009-2011 was actually a teammate with Martin, which is neat considering how cool Mark said it was when they were briefly teammates at DEI. Dale endured a long winless drought with Hendrick from 2008-2012, a streak with 7 runner-up finishes and more heartbreaks that both started and ended at my hometown track of MIS. In 2014 he had an amazing season, similar to that of his DEI days, getting 4 wins (including a Pocono Sweep) but finished 8th in final standings. He got his final 2 career wins the next year at Talladega and a rain-shortened race at Phoenix. In 2016, he only ended up running the first 18 races of the season due to the long-lasting effects of his concussion. Subbing for him were Jeff Gordon and Alex Bowman. He announced in April of 2017 that he’d retire at season’s end. He missed the playoffs and finished 21st in final series standings, with a best finish of 5th at Texas. Since then, his schedule has reduced to one-off Xfinity Series races in the 8 for his own team of JR Motorsports, and also became a co-commentator for NBC and NBCSN alongside Rick Allen, Steve Leatarte, and Jeff Burton.
Kyle Busch (rumors of him going to Ginn in 08): As said in the video, he moved to Joe Gibbs Racing in 2008, and has remained there ever since. From 2008-2014, Kyle got an impressive 25 wins, with a best points finish of 4th in 2013. But then his life took a dramatic turn in 2015, when he suffered a serious leg injury. He sat out the next 10 races, with drivers such as Matt Crafton and Erik Jones subbing for him, but was still granted a playoff waiver by NASCAR, meaning he was still able to make the playoffs. Once he came back- although it took a minute- he took off. 5 wins (including 3 in a row from Kentucky to Indianapolis), 12 Top 5’s, 16 Top 10’s, and his first ever Cup Series title. It will go down in NASCAR history as one of the most incredible comebacks in a single season, up there with the likes of Alan Kulwicki’s comeback in 1992. In 2016, he’d get 4 more wins and made the Final 4 for a second straight season, but this time finished 3rd in the standings. In 2017, he suffered the longest winless single-season drought in his time with JGR of 20 races, and his second longest overall (longest was 24 races in 2004). Kyle streak was ended at Pocono, and went on to get 4 more wins, including back-to-back wins at New Hampshire and Dover. He made the Final 4 once again, and finished runner-up behind alliance-based teammate Martin Truex Jr. In 2018, he was apart of the “Big Three” narrative alongside Martin Truex Jr. and Kevin Harvick. He got 7 wins before the round of 8 that year, including 3 straight from Texas to Richmond. He then won the first race on the updated Phoenix track to lock himself into the Final 4, where he finished 4th in final standings. In 2019, he was champion once more, getting 5 wins, 17 Top 5’s, and 27 Top 10’s. Thus far in 2020, he’s tied his record for his longest winless drought with JGR, currently with 8 Top 5’s and 10 Top 10’s. Along with Aric Almirola, as previously mentioned, he’s one of the only 2 people involved in the whole ordeal that’s still running full-time
For those who did read, thank you. And Brock, if you see this, once I get some great equipment, in the future, I’d love to collab with you on something. I’ve had an idea to look at Hendrick Motorsports’ success outside of the Cup Series.
Get a life
This was a very informative break down, thank you
@@Miatacrosser I find it both amazing AND disgusting how vindictive losers like you try to project your own misery onto someone else who is obviously a much better person than yourself.
Great work on some interesting information.
@@DepravedCoTApologist I agree.
Moral of the story: never trust a 57 year old man who willingly calls himself "Bobby"
Bobby Labonte? Bobby Allison?
@@thetalesofdaneandco except for those guys
Funnily, Jayksi's site showed a Waste Management scheme that Marlin was set to drive in August on Michigan as a Chevrolet tribute, it ended up being never driven at all.
Since 2007 was my first full year of watching nascar (2nd overall) I didn’t truly grasped what happened
Thanks for this
I never knew Hendrick almost used the 4th full-time team with Mars sponsorships.
Thank you for including the clip at 25:33. I needed a reminder of the time Rusty Wallace called Aric Almirola Almarillo lol
You’re the two best NASCAR UA-camrs in the business. Great collab, hope to see more joint efforts!
my cousin and uncle went to the Chicagoland race in 2007, Sterling Marlin was one of the drivers I rooted for and they got me a 1/64 Waste Management car he drove. Little did any of us know that was the last race he ran in that car.
Critics: Endgame is the most ambitious crossover in history!
Me:
But seriously, I'm hyped!
Bobby Ginn: wE wANt to WiN cHamPiOnsHipS
Ginn racing: (runs 20th every race)
I can tell you from first hand experience that Ginn was running subpar engines that were severely lacking in horsepower.
Andy Page more details man 🤔
To be fair, had Mark Martin decided to run the full 07 season they actually could've, he was sitting in 1st in points after Bristol.
@@andypage9 What?! I thought they were running hendrick motorsports engines, are you telling us that HMS gave them second hand stuff?
Idk Mark Martin could have made a run in 07
This is so well done I started it on my phone, paused it, casted it to the big screen and restarted the video.
🏎 🏁
Wow! I never knew about the Ginn side of the story! Awesome job on this Brock and S1ap!
When they went belly up, I felt so bad for Front Row Joe and Sterling Marlin
So did we. They were amazing people, and so very down to earth.
Yes..that's fricking terrible for two great drivers. Just shows that no money mean no wins
I felt so bad for his wig.
@@TSi99999 👎🙄
Both Sterling & Joe are, straight down to they're core's, hardcore racer's & Great guys that come from GREAT Stock! 💪😎👍
Nice! After Sterling qualified for the first five races pretty easily in '07, I actually thought he would have a decent season but it seems like the #14 team couldn't complete a race without having issues when they had a good car. He ran great in the 2007 UAW-Daimler Chrysler 400 at Las Vegas but his engine expired with a few laps to go. He also deserved a good result at Talladega but his car's nose got damaged. There are several other examples...
I also watched the 2007 Checker Auto Parts 500 and he was surprisingly fast in the #09. Unfortunately, he cut a tire down early in the race and had to pit under green and the cautions never fell when he needed despite being the first car a lap down for a while, he managed to follow the #24, #12 and some other Top5 cars from lap 155 to 200 and he didn't even have the freshest tires. Probably the last time he ran competitive lap times in a cup race.
Ginn's Reunion Resort, south of DisneyWorld, shafted a lot of people. I, as Agent for Capmark, had to come in representing eight banks and get then out of their $400 million investment in the Ginn scam.
Yikes - the scale of all this is quite overwhelming.
You have to remember that this collapse happened during the Great Recession when everything was folding up. Racing took a massive beating during this time in every form of racing. GM and Dodge both had to be bailed out by the government during that time.
You should do an episode on FDNY racing, the only original truck team left
Yeah especially since they cant make up their mind if they want to keep racing or not. One year we are hearing they are shutting down, then they show up at random races the next. Cover them while they are still around
"if we don't get a full time sponsor, it'll be the company," foreshadowing by Bobby Ginn himself
Real talk, if you and Slapshoes started a Scene Vault-style podcast focusing on the more obscure teams of the 90s and 00s, I would listen every week!
2 guys who put out some great and very professional content. I've always liked these longer videos, has more of a documentary feel to it and the time and effort it takes to put it all together does not go unnoticed. It's funny during Dale Jrs podcast with Mark Martin they touched on the merger a bit but only that Mark drove the 8 and how he got thrown in the middle of that debacle, now I know the whole story on that deal.
Great job guys as always. Brock and Slapshoes are making truły astonishing videos and I love every minute off it. Slapshoes videos about 2003 Darlington and 2007 Daytona 500 finishes and Brock videos about Sears Point and Jerry Nadeau are such a blast to watch, one of my favorites things that I ever seen on UA-cam period! Greetings to both of you from Poland and thank you for your work guys.
Great informative video.
Forgot the Denny replacing Aric in that Busch race.
I clearly Rembember watching that and being mad as hell.
Everybody was! 😠
I have zero affection for Denny Hamlin, but credit to him as he obviously did not want to do it 💪 Total Chicken 💩 move by the Toyota TRD people, of course that was just one of many of those kinds of 💩 decisions by TRD 👎🤮
@@Slinger43 JGR was still running Chevrolets in 2007; the blame here goes to their Busch Series sponsor Rockwell Automation.
Bobby Ginn reminds me of another sports executive who lied about his worth: John Spano. Spano ruined the NHL's New York Islanders and Ginn destoryed this NASCAR team. Both didn't have anywhere close to the cash required to run their desired goals.
at 31:22 you see the #5 in the back ground and talking about being Dale Jr team mate
With CGR being bought by Trackhouse Racing
The 43 and the 34 are left
35:09 Cabarrus ( aka Ka-BARE-us) County. Love ya Slap can't wait til you return! Excellent Video!
Seeing John Hunter in 2004 makes him look OP today
John Hunter Nemechek a disgrace to racing imo. The last time I saw him win a race, I think it was a Truck race, was because he tapped and pinned his opponent who easily had the win, he pinned him against the wall as Nemechek wins the race. I cannot believe they let him keep that win. Im pretty sure it was a road course.
I supoose John Hunter figured that if he was not faster, then he would just get physical with the car that was and win the race that way.
@@aholegunner I mean, He was running 21st in points with the lower mid pack 38 car. Some bad luck brought him back to 25th. He isnt that bad.
@@aholegunner Agree, JHN is a low talent punk, wrecking people proves that.
@@aholegunner That's just being aggressive. He was driving for his dad's low budget team and they start-and-parked in the Cup series to finance the single-truck team, while Cole was driving a much-faster, Hendrick-prepared truck. He's won other truck and Xfinity races since. Now if that were a teammate, or an earlier lap, like what Noah Gragson does on a regular basis, that would be different. There is a lot worse out there today than John Hunter Nemechek.
@@nostalgiarushcollectibleto8954 Cole's One of The 16 Playoff Contestants This Year JHN isn't
Even after this silly season, all the cars shown at 38:05 are still in the Cup Series. The 34 is still Front Row, the 1 is now with Trackhouse, and the 42 and 43 are now Petty GMS.
Interesting you guys didn’t mention valvoline purchased a stake in the team making it MBV for that time. Great job tho. Excellent work!
You're very correct. When writing the script, I had to streamline it a bit with all the different angles to the story. There were also some interesting one-off sponsors Joe Nemechek ran in the #13, including a scheme at Daytona that honored fallen firefighters. The MBV deal probably should've made the cut as James Rocco of Valvoline was the listed owner for the #10 team, and likely had a hand in the group moving to Evernham.
Brock Beard thanks for the response! It’s a long story so you can only get so much with out making it confusing and long. I understand. Again great job as always!
@@LASTCARonBROCK Seems like there's always another strand to pull on inside this story.
Team My Bloody Valentine
MB2 did have that U.S. ARMY car that always looked super cool in my opinion
Especially at the night races.
Definitely!
Super interesting video! I remember a lot of this, but I was in middle school during the ‘07-‘08 years so I didn’t understand everything that was going on. Cool to get it all sort of fleshed out and explained.
Why not do a video on start and park teams?
This a good idea
That's a good idea - I have one script in the works which may be right up your alley.
Unless Kyle Busch Bitches about Them Again
Brock Beard like the new teams in 2009?
Randy HUTCHINSON lol.
Every time I watch that 2007 Daytona 500 finish I just see a tile bush that is committed to Mark Martin trying to get him that that trophy it unfortunately he just just couldn't get it done they just couldn't get it done
Nascar SHOULD have thrown the caution flag when the big crash started! Them not throwing it cost Mark Martin a Daytona 500 trophy & made the crash much worse than it should have been 👎
@@Slinger43 race should have ended under yellow...no green white checkered, it was fine when Dale won under yellow in 1998.
u all rock best youtube crossover i’ve seen
I had no idea this was that big of a mess, great video guys!
It was even worse than this. I saw it from the inside.
Nice video about the history of MB2 Motorsports and Ginn Racing. I've been to the Ginn Racing shops a month before it closed. They gave me a Mark Martin autographed Army hat. So that was cool at least. Yeah, such a shame what happened behind the scenes that forced Ginn Racing to merge into DEI. Sometimes I often wonder what would have happened if Ginn Racing wasn't forced to merge with DEI and Bobby Ginn never had his financial troubles. Perhaps Ginn Racing could have been a powerhouse team today.
Well, CGR has now sold there Nascar team to Trackhouse Racing
I love watching these kind of documentaries. Hope you can upload some more good ones
I honestly hope you continue to make long videos about all of the teams you can think of. Whether the teams were successful or unsuccessful and anywhere in between. Thank you for this.
31:10 a little irony of foreshadowing with Mars interview with Jamie little in front of the 5 car quest car
This was a wonderful video thank you both for taking time to upload this it just brought up so many memories that I had as a kid watching the sport.
Great piece of work! Always get amazing content from these 2!
This was great. I’d love to see an expansion on the parts of mergers. That would be a great series
The strangest thing about MB2/Ginn/DEI/Ganassi to me is how many times the same number popped up, 01. SABCO ran a 01 as a test car, and then renumbered the 42 to 01 after Irwin died, and kept that number until being totally bought out by Ganassi. Then MB2 got the army sponsorship, and to reflect the Army of One slogan used at the time switched the 36 to 01, as the 1 was taken by DEI. Eventually DEI buys out Ginn, and takes on the 01 team and they move the sponsorship over... to the 8 car. Despite having the 1 car that was the entire reason the 01 was even numbered 01 in the first place. And they kept the 01 running, despite minimal sponsorship. It wasn't until DEI merged with Ganassi that the 01 was finally put to rest.
Great job on this video fellas. Flow and pacing were perfect.
Great video. I don't think Ginn was a fraud, but very much do think he got in over his head and without the experience and the people to overcome the chaos that has always been NASCAR Cup Series racing, was not able to navigate the waters successfully. That said, once things went south, Ginn didn't deal with the accompanying fallout well (see Marlin and Nemechek), which in turn severely tarnished what, if any, good reputation he may have had. Not to be lost in all this (which is worthy of its own video) is Dale Earnhardt Inc. DEI, more notably Theresa Earnhardt, seemed to really go out of their way to destroy themselves. In my opinion, had DEI consolidated early once Dale Jr left, and focused on one or two really good cars instead of Almirola, Smith and Menard... perhaps they would have stuck around a good deal longer. I think they should have focused on Truex Jr. Either way, the rise and fall of MB2/Ginn Racing is an interesting story that many teams faced... after the impact of the 2008 rescission but indeed was the start of a trend that continues to have repercussions 13 years later.
Rodney Childers gave some good insight into MB2 on The Dale Jr. Download. That is where he got started as a crew chief too.
My mom was an employee for Ginn during this time period. She work in an accounting department at one of his central Florida resorts. She too lost her job when it was said an done.
I'm sorry to hear that. It's surprising to me the Ginn story doesn't get more attention these days as it sounds like it affected so many people like your mother.
It sounds like Bobby Ginn tried to go too big too fast, and he crashed and burned in the end .
30:55 Foreshadowing of Mark Martin's future in the background.
Brock, you're the absolute best. Excellent work, my friend
2007 first COT race, last race for old Bristol
Great in-depth coverage. Would have been fun for you to include some footage of the black Ginn Blimp Bobby commissioned to fly around Daytona when Sterling drove for him. Such a total waste of $$$ to feed his ego...
And then, the "merger mania" would spawn the "start-and-park" era beginning in 2009...
33:23 Joe drove the Dodge already and he had Chevrolet logo on his suit.
Wasn't like that team was funded by Dodge anyway, so that's why Joe was probably able to get away with that.
Aw little John Hunter. Funny I just watched him spin out in the cup race.
It's not a legitimate Cup race unless he spins out
@@Konformation07 So true!
Something I don't get is why Nemechek and Marlin didn't run better in 2006 or 2007. Nemechek ran decently well in 2004 and 2005, so I wonder what changed. Mark Martin had the speed...that's the part I don't get.
Excellent video! I’d love to see something like this about Gene Haas before he merged with Tony Stewart.
Then Riggs won a Martinsville Truck race and we haven't seen him since... to my knowledge
And now of the teams impacted by Ginn. 2 cars remain. The 34. And 43.
And now Ganassi is gone completely with Trackhouse buying them out. And the 1 car is the only thing that's coming back.
2008 collapse of the economy viciously affected resorts, Ginn’s bread and butter. I think Great Recession had the biggest impact on Ginn as well as all of the teams and sponsors
FUnny enough, I was just finishing up a Fight to the Top season in Nascar 07 this morning and got a contract offer from MB2 (Ginn) to replace Joe Nemechek in the 01 Army Chevy (I also got an offer from Hendrick to replace Jeff Gordon of all people in the 24) but I'm still thinking it over. I'm leaning towards taking the MB2 offer (but Hendrick is so freaking tempting), but in my head the merger with DEI has already happened since I'm headed into the 2008 season. Sterling Marlin and Dale Jarrett have retired.
Now the remaining teams from the Ginn Era is the 1, 91, and 99 for TrackHouse, 42, 43, and 84 for Petty GMS (well now Legacy Motor Club), 34, 36, and 38 for Front Row Motorsports…sheesh
The two legends meet!
So I went to high school with kraig kinser and had no idea he raced cars this video just blew my mind .......
What?? 😳! LOL, just kidding, but seriously, the Kinser klan aren't a braggadocious bunch 👍 Kraig's Daddy was a pretty fair Sprintcar driver his own Royal self 😉
Man the handoffs in the video are smooth as butter!
Great collaboration gentleman!!! And great work!!!
This needs to happen more often.
Someone needs to do a video on the late 90s Big Daddy's BBQ sponsorship fiasco.
Man I love these deep dive videos 😬😬
That beat right at the beginning is straight fire
Greatest Duet Ever
Now going into 2022 there will only be 2 cars in the graphic at 38:00 still around the 34 and 43
And now the 43 gets merged, too, so literally Front Row Motorpsorts, through hell and high water, are still alive without needing a merger, thus being the only one that way.
I always wonder, if Mark won the 500, would he have gone full time in 2007? Winning the 500 would be a huge monetary boost for Ginn, and would attract more sponsors. Mark staying full time and battling for the points lead would possibly keep other sponsors from leaving. It probably wouldn’t save the team in the long run, but maybe Marlin would have had a more competitive ride
Brock this is excellent excellent work I learned so much
I didn’t realize this til now, but since you started the video with footage of a Joe Nemechek win (for the second time) I had to see what his other wins were. Rockingham 2001 driving the #33 for Andy Petree, and Richmond 2003 in the Hendrick #25. I did not realize that Joe, who replaced Jerry Nadeau in the 25, won the race where Jerry, in the 01, had his career ending crash, and that Joe (a few months later) would end up as the full time replacement for Jerry in the 01, and would again win in Jerry’s old car.
That is a seriously strange set of connections. Anyway, I wrote this comment to say that we need two more videos from you that start with footage of Joe Nemechek’s wins.
He also won his first career win at new hampshire in 99'.
Random Epic Brock’s video “Three Before February” starts out with that win at New Hampshire. It was Joe’s first Cup win, and the first NASCAR win for him since his brother, John, died in a truck race at Homestead in 1997. Up to that point, John had been the last driver to die in NASCAR. However, Adam Petty would die in May 2000 in a testing crash at New Hampshire, and Kenny Irwin would die in a practice crash in July at New Hampshire, while driving the #42 Joe had won in the previous fall.
Definitely check out the video. It’s incredibly well done, and explains how these deaths (along with Tony Roper’s death in a truck race at Texas) were warning signs that NASCAR chose to ignore; warning signs that ultimately, if NASCAR had acted on them, could have saved Dale Earnhardt’s life.
And ironically enough, with equipment from the team he won with in 2003. A strange set of connections indeed.
I liked mb2 motorsports, i always root for underdogs and they tried really hard and in todays climate they couldve stayed competitive and in the cup series.
1:29 That kid is about to go racing for a championship
38:41 THANK YOU!!!
27:35 marlin’s spotter was TJ majors
Two Giants: One Epic 📹
best NASCAR UA-cam video yet!