Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 6K G2 Review
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- Опубліковано 7 лип 2024
- The Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 6K G2 brings a number of features from the Pro model to a more affordable body. Jordan's been using one for a few weeks, and has some thoughts on how it stacks up to the latest mirrorless cameras.
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0:00 - Intro
1:15 - Design
2:37 - Displays
4:26 - Media
5:10 - Autofocus
5:48 - Recording formats
7:37 - Rolling shutter
8:39 - Compared to GH6
9:21 - Compared to X-H2S
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Jordan was KILLING IT on the drums there!
Nice to see a BlackMagic camera review that's in focus
Image quality looks really nice ...better than many of the other videos posted here, especially skin tones, dynamic range etc....
They must have much bigger pockets over there...
Kangaroo pockets*
The original 4/3 sensor BM pocket was actually pocketable. Not sure why they used that name for the follow up DSLR sized ones.
@@NeonShores I forgot that BMD were Australian. That makes so much sense now
@@the_wiki9408 will they ever return to a smaller form factor, I wonder...
I guess BMD named it as such cause it is relatively small compared to a real Cinema camera
I wanna see Jordan's Jamming Session .. Also great idea for cinema camera test! ❤🙌
Yes, please!
Honestly, best review I've seen so far of this camera, many are either gushing at the RAW quality or complaining incessantly about the form factor and stopping at that. Yours is the most practical, objective and hands on view of it - again you two are the very best, keep it up peoples! Best video quality I've seen in your videos, wonder why you don't use it more often.
The other difference on the 6K Pro from the G2 aside from built in NDs is the Screen Brightness. The G2 gets a tilty screen but it's brightness has not been boosted to levels that are as useable outdoors like the Pro model. So, if you are rigging anyways with an external bright monitor and NDs the G2 might make sense. Bringing just the camera the way it is made without more rigging, get the pro.
I couldn't find a single video where anybody talks about that. It's like blackmagic sending out cameras and setting guidelines about what can and can't be talked about. They even hide the bad 500 nits display in the official data sheet of the Blackmagic site.
Yep, that's a biggie. I have the Pro (mostly for static work) and I absolutely love that 1500 nit display. With the SmallRig shade it's very usable in bright sunlight.
@@patrickchase5614 yup, that is correct, one reason not to trust YT reviews
@@Klausjp.ontheroadagain I don't know if I'd go that far. You need to understand the reviewer and their biases, as with any other review. Human nature is platform-agnostic.
I have no interest in a cinema camera, but I’d watch you two review a phone book. Keep it up, gents.
lol,
Whoah, EVF resolution expressed in pixels, not just dots, I applaud this!
We’ll be doing this from now on!
You actually can move the AF area by long pressing on the screen
Always humorous brothers👌🏻🫡
Excellent review that was badly needed. Thanks !
Thank You for the review. I liked: it was informative, had nice amount of real footage and some humor also!
Just wrapped a feature on the 6k pro. Loved it! I look at this as a cinema camera and not run & gun camera.
The black magic image does look absolutely gorgeous.
Can we please all ask Jordan to release the full video of the concert ?! I'm a noob in music but he seems pretty good and fast with the drums to me and he is so freaking enjoying it like at 5:38 or 6:58 ; would love to see a full version ! 😁
I just got the 6K Pro a bit ago and freaking **love** it. Amazing output, ND filters are fantastic and I've been able to finally pick up a set of cinema lenses (all of the Meike primes) and a Great Joy 50mm anamorphic lens. I'll be getting the 35mm Great Joy when it comes out, too. I bought the original BMPCC 4K not long after it was released, and still have it for a 2nd cam.
I had the 4K for half a year and really enjoyed using it. Of course I rigged it out with Speedbooster and vmount , Monitor ,etc. when I experienced dropping frames in recording when it was cold outside, I knew that I had to sell it ASAP. There was nothing wrong with it, just not a really robust camera to take out in the kind of environments I work in.
I love the IQ and BRaW was simple enough to work with giving a pleasing result in the finishing touches.
However, I use RED for most of my work these days. However, BMD really, particularly during our Pandemic, saved my backside for the one man multi camera production company days. All that switching and streaming was made easy. Back then I had 5 bmd cameras and all the gadgets to go with connecting it all.
I digress, for the price, you cannot beat this camera. I love how accessible good IQ is to the average or new creator !
Also, regarding the EF mount comments: they may be discontinuing the EF but that doesn’t mean that there are millions of those lenses out there in all shapes and sizes, plus the adapting of m42 or other types of lenses ... don’t get me started!
We have no excuses not to create beautiful images.
Cheers for the upload ! Greetings from Norway 🇳🇴
We have original 6k use specifically for green screen or interview setting. The BRaw or QT codecs just so easy to work with even in Premiere. Color is fantastic also. However I usually pick different camera for run and gun.
now thats how you do it . ijs
Used to read your reviews years ago. Nice to see you on YT, Just subbed
A fair assessment. I still have the BMPCC original, and part of why I love it is the entirety film-dedicated menu.
FYI - BRAW files edit just fine in Premiere Pro if you install the free plugin from Blackmagic. The full version of Devinci Resolve is included with the camera anyway so you're covered either way. Surprised you didn't talk about the built in XLR audio input as standard. That's HUGE! Lastly, there's no IBIS as you said, but there is gyro data that Resolve can read in post to help stabilise the footage.
Keep on drumming Jordan!!!!!!😀👍😀👍🌴🦜
It cracks me up that 20 msec is now considered "intolerable" rolling shutter. I can still remember when the cool kids were rocking out with their 1Dx IIIs and C300 IIs at ~16.7 msec, and the rest of us were trying to convince ourselves that our A7-family cameras were tolerable at 30+.
I agree with the bottom-line point that the BMPCC6K family aren't "run and gun" cameras, but if you're doing more conventional cinematography from a tripod then they're extremely strong cameras. You can't and shouldn't judge them by the standards of hybrids IMO.
Pro tip: Check out the BlackMagic focus demand. It was designed for the Studio family, but works perfectly on the 6K. It occupies the USB port, which is a bummer for obvious reasons, but in exchange you get outstanding focus control.
Love these guys.
I have no real actual interest in this camera, yet I'm still watching for the great snarky sarcasm that I love so much. Keep it up Gents! lol
Thank you for comparing the rolling shutter readout on this system. something I didn’t know
Man this defs beats my Nikon...nice bumping into you both shooting the G6 today, keep up the awesome work!
BMPCC4K has tally light brightness adjustment, it should be in this version too. And the brightest level is pretty bright.
Also - You can move AF area with long press on a screen. The AF is shitty, but it's needed to use focus rack function through Android software.
Thanks for the extra tips on AF area move, tally light adjustment and LCD brightness level. It's clear some of the bashing we get on cameras, esp. BMPCCs has to do with user experience. Some of the things they bemaon are already there and well.
BMPCC6K G2 image quality is very close to high-end cinematic cameras like Arri cameras. But Panasonic GH6 or Fujifilm H2S image quality is like other normal digital non-cinematic cameras.
Where did you hear that it is close to the Arri Alexa? That sounds like a cope from someone who just bought one and is trying to justify the purchase. The reality is, the Blackmagic is a consumer camera (as indicated by the design and name that is meant to appeal to non-professionals) and is nowhere near close to the Arri or the Red. The Arri Alexa 35, for example, as 17 stops of dynamic range, compared to the Blackmagic's 13-14, which is not acceptable in the professional world. The Blackmagic is also pretty bad in low light.
Jordan, your lav cable is happy to see us 👀
Wish they remade the og pocket.
Thanks for a well made video!!
Excellent review. If you're shooting long-form formal docs (lots of interviews) this camera series is unbeatable. I do think the Pro is worth the extra money although fair game to BMD squeezing an extra model out of the machining for the body.
I do want to point out that B-Raw inside of Premiere works great now. I personally own a BMPCC 4K and my employer has us use the 6k Pro.
As someone who’s been watching your channel for a long time: The Blackmagic portions look so much better than the gh6 footage (as did the S1H footage) to my eyes.
I watch a lot of your videos and the image from this camera looks a lot better to me. The highlight roll seems nicer, I enjoy the blackmagic colors. Just has a more organic filmic look to my eyes over the Panasonics that dpreview usually shoots with.
That's the thing with the whole BMPCC line: the image quality is just amazing. I have a 6k Pro, and the shots I can get from that are just stunning compared to all of the various cameras I've used previously. It definitely has it's drawbacks, but pure image quality...at this price range...basically untouchable.
Great image at the cost of usability and convenience. It’s why for most people the camera they shoot most with is their smartphone.
that's funny, it's really a matter of taste because I was thinking I prefer when they film on Panasonic. I agree the Blackmagic maybe have more detail or sharper fine detail, I don't know. But I find it less comfortable to watch, less smooth.
EF mount being phased out? This video is the first place that I am hearing this. Thank you for being such a great resource. 👍
...where have you been? 😄
@@mack_solo 😊 I live in PL lens mount and MFT lens mount world at present. I don’t own any EF mount lenses or EF native mount bodies. I’ve never owned a Canon video camera that I know of. Only Sony and Panasonic. 😊
May I know which leofoto tripod you are using to shoot this video? Would you recommend the same for wildlife photo/video?
would be interesting to see how the new gyro stabilization update for blackmagic cameras works. for run and gun I feel the gyro stabilization (especially for standing handheld) is a big positive for this camera. (sony can do gyro stabilisation with catalyst browse, but that's far less convenient than using davnci resolve and stabilizing the footage in your edit)
very interested.comin this.
It's very good, but... if you want to use it reliably you need a fast shutter speed / low shutter angle, because while it can stabilise the footage very effectively, it can't unblur things that got blurred during camera shake. I have tried it on my Pocket 4K.
@@Azazaazazazza This is a good point. The gyro stabilization is fantastic, BUT...it's not going to fix anything too extreme, especially anything with quick movements and/or blurry images
@@markchristopher4165 I really want to try it with a glidecam, see if it can mae already smooth gliddecam shots look smoother (allowing me to be a bit rougher with a glidecam)
@@Azazaazazazzatrue, one must use a fast shutter angle, but one can introduce a post motion blur in Resolve to help resolve the lack of native motion blur quite effectively.
Is the screen on the 6k G2 the same brightness as the original 6k or something in between the 6k and 6k pro?
Finally there is 1080p standard in camera screen resolution world. I hope soon all camera screen using that standard. 1080p = 2 mpx (RGB) = 6 mpx dot.
Also I hope many more camera can record raw footage in the camera.
As an added bonus, you get a license for DaVinci Resolve Studio when you buy their hardware.
That's $300 on top of everything.
Hello great content I enjoyed it. So u can only edit blackmagic footage in Divinichi ? Im so used to Sony Vegas 🤦♀️
Thanks BMD for EF-mount!
I like this brutally honest take on black magic and agree with everything you said from praising the image quality to criticizing the ridiculous body design (and dumbass naming scheme black magic is sticking to).
It’s to a point where black magic needs to pick a lane with a body redesign. They either need to build a better mirrorless body or go full box style camera. Because the current design is neither and is struggling with an identity crisis. It has the worst ergonomics of any mirrorless style camera on the market and sucks to rig out, unlike box style cameras. And this camera absolutely requires a complete build out to function anyway. You need to Mount an ssd, batteries, mics, etc. If they’re going to stick to horrible ergonomics, why not just make it a box like the countless cinema cameras out there. For example, I’d much rather rig out a zcam box than a bmcc.
Hell that would be an amazing product imo, a red Komodo or zcam style mini box cinema camera for $2000 with decent mounting points. I’m sold.
Agree with all you've said, but the body design, despite appearing like a children's toy, is very comfortable and solid to hold and use, and the large screen is a God send compared to other smaller, sexier cameras. But again, Blackmagic should, in parallel, release different form factors including 'box' design preferably with internal space for one or two SSDs (seeing they're the go to option in the 'pocket' cameras) and an external monitor with cables / connector built into the mount, like their viewfinder, to eliminate cables dangling around..... but again, they should also keep the 'mirrorless' photo camera form factor too in my opinion.
Thanks for the review. Questions... Is this camera great in low-light conditions, or not great? Another question... Your audio came through great. Was there a mic under your shirt or is the mic on the camera just that good? Thank you.
Great review ! 👍You didn't try to be hokey, jokey, and pokey 👍The image quality on the 6K looks really cinematic -In particular, the flesh tones are superior to any of the hybrid cameras I have seen lately (Maybe not so much as compared to the S1H ?). I think I would go the route of the URSA mini Pro 12K instead of the weird body the 6K comes in.😳
Hi! Great review and very helpful! May I ask your opinion as to what camera is best when in comes to producing Narrative Films (full lenght and short) and Documentaries? This or the Sony FX3? Thank you!
Beautiful. Can you record with G2 in Braw 4k dci in 24 and 60 frames? Thanks a lot
Thanks Jordan! I wonder how you feel about Pocket 6K versus Panasonic S5 with the BM Video Assist 5". Price wise they end up around the same bracket, so would love to hear your thoughts on that as an option. Also do you think Blackmagic Design might end up being the next member of the "L-Mount Alliance"?
1:57 is going to be a useful flange distance when LucAdapters releases the new G2 version of the Magic Booster, essentially turning the G2 into a (nearly) FF camera, just like the 6K before.
Gotta give it to BM. They do some magical skin tones!
Great video! But can you do a low light performance review aswell? I really wanna know how it does in those circumstances
rf mount...about time!
Great review! Are you going to test the Z Cam anytime soon?
Good video, how is the autofocus
Does it has dual recording or livestreaming and recording internally
I would love that you do a full review of the Canon R5c...
It's on the way to Jordan right now.
Hey. Thanks for the review.
What I'd like to see BM do, in order of priority, is:
- mount with a more accommodating flange distance: I'm sticking with the BMPCC 4k with speedbooster so I can use my FD lenses, but I'd rather go straight in. Would be great if it had positive lock. But I know that is unlikely.
- image quality (high iso noise) and rolling shutter improvements. I favour these over higher resolution, go back to 4k.
- true full frame/Super35 sensor. I've had enough of camera companies claiming to have super35/full frame sensors when they just don't. i.e. BMPCC6K Sensor size = 23.10mm x 12.99mm. Super35 = 24.89mm x 18.66
- a body that is less of an odd shape. I'd sooner have a box, with a handle. But please BM don't lose the built in screen, it's excellent.
- auto focus that's on par with Sony
On another note, I'd say keep CFAST, because with sd cards users are VERY limited with choices for record formats.
It seems that the wonderful quality images is what makes this camera special, and really, isn't that what good video is all about ? I'm looking forward to the next generation of BM cameras with mirrorless, with stabilization, smaller size, but keep the wondeful image quality.
There's been a funny amount of video-centric cameras over the last couple of years that have launched with CFast. I thought it was dead but it's definitely been revived! My theory with these newer cameras is that they do it because CFast uses SATA as opposed to PCI-E 3 like CFexpress, while available speeds are good enough.
The pro market is very conservative about adopting things that don't have concrete benefits, and the additional bandwidth simply isn't needed for compressed-RAW formats like BlackMagic Raw or ProRes Raw. The market will move if/when there's actually a requirement for more bandwidth, but until then backwards compatibility is more important.
BlackMagic knows their customer and what they're doing here. I think their media choices make perfect sense.
I wish camera manufacturers adopted well proven computer standards. Imagine NVMe M.2 drives - 1TB for 100 bucks at 1.7Gb/s.
@@patrickchase5614 I agree.
@@mack_solo You know that that's a legit option with these cameras, right? The USB C recording option is so great to have
I know they’re not new, but would like to see you do a review of the ZCAM line up
Its a video camera of course but can ik take 'raw' photo's as well? Like the bigggg tillable screen. Would be great for interior photography on a tripod
No internal NDs means better lens compatibility with a PL mount conversation. The Ursa broadcaster G2 also uses the 6K sensor but faster processing and you can put an EF/PL mount on it. So that's the step up if you don't want to have 80MP
Does anyone know if that Blue tint issue has been resolved on the BMPC6K Pro camera?
When will you do the complete analysis of om-1?
the bluetooth app is really good for the one man set up i have the 4k the braw is good but would i want the gh6 ...no raw is a problembut like you said get a ninja 5
Great video!
How would you compare the 6K FF and Pro against the 6K G2? I'm considering the 6K G2 over the other two, because the difference of the 6K Pro pretty much only is the built-in ND filter. The 6K FF is full-frame, which can be worth it, but not sure if that's a big leap worth the money.
Currently have a rigged out BMPCC 4k (with ext battery, matte box and nd filters, ext monitor etc.) and I am also not sure if it is worth the upgrade to the 6k G2. The 6k G2 has a crazy deal of €1500 and if I sell the BMPCC 4k, it is only €400 extra for me to upgrade..
Thank you!
Blackmagic needs to bring back the Global Shutter, like in the old days.
And I want to see a camera from them to compete with the RED Komodo. Global Shutter, same square body style and mirrorless or interchangable mount. That would be a massive hit!
I really appreciate your reviews. I am *SUBSCRIBED!*
I want IBUS and excellent auto focus in a camera. I think a Sony Alpha a7S III is in my future. Have you reviewed it? (I'll search for it on this channel.) I love the levity. Keep it up.
Can’t wait for black magic to come out with a new body design. Smaller and more of a cube.
You can move autofocus area by touching screen and You forgot mention Gyro stabilization with this camera in Davinci.
Nice! What file format does it save the video as .mov? .mp4?
and Davinci now has gyro data stabilization. It's by no means a gimbal replacement but you can edit the short clips shoot wide and get that stabe.
Another Blackmagic camera announced today (2/23/2023) with the EF mount. Is there any hope they could use the Fuji XF mount?
Well, this video image looks more pleasant.
Hello, does it have the same blue tint issue?
6:20 I kind of recommend against an external recorder.
The HDMI out on the thing is only 1080p so you'd lose a lot of flexibility in POST if you decide to use an external recorder.
They should join the L mount. Although Rf is more likely.
This is a solid camera.
Hey there! Long-time viewer. When I got my first camera I watched this channel's video a lot. GO CANADA!
As a narrative creator, the more I watch review videos the more I see certain patterns in the talking-points. All these concerns sound like the issues that people who shoot weddings and church services and NOT narrative or documentary. Maybe you can address that in some of your content in the future?
For me a 'cinema camera' is for..., well.., content that is going to be seen on a big screen, or will look great on a big screen. The fact that a cinema camera can be used to shoot a 2-hour TEDx conference keynote is nice...., but that's not cinema. Most of the time it's overkill or used as a selling point to clients...,
The P6K reminds me of a film camera which is a box with film in it and a lens stuck to it. It's the choice of film stock, the operator, and the color timer who make the magic happen. Shooting at max settings makes my work as a creator easier.
Autofocus?
H265 Recording Options?
Rolling Shutter?
Using a wide variety of photograph lenses for video?
These features would have been welcome additions to the ENG and Studio Cameras from days gone by...., As a solo shooter, I don't feel like I'm missing anything by not having them. Showing an example of rolling shutter by panning a camera wildly in a scenario that doesn't call for it is kind of pointless, but the drummer was awesome! Maybe showing how the rolling shuitter effected the drummers moments would have been a better choice or sports, but then again who considers a cinema camera appropriate for sports?????
I just want the best quality image possible in order to tell the story. Sometimes that is a Smartphone camera, a 360 Camera or a Rented Alexa. It would be great to see videos of other creators' workflows with the cinema cameras and does a particular camera benefit certain types of shooters or not. BM has excellent image quality at a great price, but most of the opinions and reviews are for commercial shooters IMO.
One more thing...,
Why are internal NDs such a big deal?? To me using internal NDs are like buying a Porsche and keeping the stock rims the car came with!
and Mr. Drake...., we need MORE cowbell!
Yeah, I don't get why the GH6 doesn't support BRAW, at least externally. Well, the poll during a Lumix Live some time ago was heavily in favour of Apple, , but still. Also, why they are so slow with feature updates....
The main advantage and maybe the only advantage of specialized videocameras is the intergraded multiple optical neutral density filters. ND filters are vital for videographers because beyond the triangle of shutterspeed-aperture-ISO there is the frame rate rate factor too which usually demands ND filters.
could you please elaborate on the relationship between framerate and NDs?
How much expenses after i just buy the BMPCC6k body only ?
I've never had an issue with the naming of Blackmagic cameras, and English is not my first language. What I'd like to see in a future iteration of the Pocket series is more of a cube shaped body, E-mount, Sony's autofocus system, higher frame rates and global shutter sensor...
Former Pocket 4K owner. Didn’t really like the form factor as the body is quite wide so you need a bigger camera bag than it actually looks unless you don’t rig it up. The 6K series seemingly has the same issue, it’s just weirdly bulky.
A workable AF and shooting "real" high quality stills are the two features I wanted from upcoming pocket cameras.
Strobe sync would be amazing.
You guys have one and only intro humor sense man lololol.
bmpcc6kG2( the way we cut it in text, need more time to sound it because i stuck between the last C and 6 at evrey time i do!!
I'd like to see BMD join the L Mount Alliance. Would give a nice boost to L Mount lens production and give BMD a modern mount without the cons of a long flange.
Yep big mistake sticking with the old RF IMO. Really limits the versatility in 2022.
L Mount is full frame, while BM has no FF cameras, so there's no point
@@unn4medfeel1ng Yes there is. You can adapt any lens to it with adapters and sigma does sell all there APSC lens for L mount. Also a lot of Cinema glass is only for APSC coverage. Remember the RF mount it uses now is also a "full frame" mount.
@@unn4medfeel1ng it's FF and APS-C. Leica TL and SL used the L Mount to have a unified mount for both sensor sizes. Plus you can adapt just about any SLR lens to it, including FD lenses that can't adapt to EF.
And finally, there are plenty of native APS-C lenses already available L Mount. Oh and nothing is stopping BMD from developing a FF camera.
@@jessecumberledge4530 my bad, I didn't know about Sigma crop lenses for L-mount. EF mount has EF-S crop lenses, although I'm not sure if BM supports it on the 6K.
That sounded like a rad party band 😎
In the $1500-$2500 price range, what is the best video capable camera for enthusiasts? The new Fujifilm? The OMD-1? A Sony APS-C?
Hmmm....Lumix S5 + Blackmagic video assist. Full frame, much better rolling shutter, AFC is slightly better, better in low light etc etc
Nice job Jordan. I promised my wife I’d sell my Bmpcc4k when I got my GH6….hasn’t happened. Something about the BM image
They need a box shaped camera with RF mount and better batery option. I use and love Davinci Resolve an still waiting for that new camera... But I'm afraid that they will came late for the "Red Komodo-Z cam - Canon C70" party
Keep wishing, they have never officially announced or leaked any type of information regarding a box design from Black Magic. I blame the UA-cam channels who kept hyping this idea up with "facts" they either made or got from other unreliable sources and nothing ever came out
It's not the camera for me, but I could see where this would be a good option for some people. The Pro model is definitely worth the extra cost for the ND filters.
That X-H2S does sound mighty appealing. For me, I'm taking a hard look at the Canon R7 though. It's less expensive and still offers 10-bit recording with reliable autofocus and IBIS.
I think , canon is Crap . except there cinema lineup.
Think 10 times before choosing canon Bro !
( My personal experience)
They have one of the Worst "Dynamic Range "
H2S is lightyears ahead of the R7
@@QUINPANO H2S's price is lightyears ahead too of R7
@@Hiah.l it's a flag ship product with both amazing video and photo capabilities. It's priced more than fair and I'm saying this as a Sony A9 a7III A7R4 shooter
@@Hiah.l Exactly. I'd love to have an X-H2S, but the R7 is soooooo much less expensive. Maybe the X-T4 is a good option?
As with many things, it's not always about having "the best." Sometimes, it's about getting something you can afford that's "good enough."
Get one of those Fujifilm X-H2S sensors on a new Blackmagic body asap!
Does this have auto focus option?
We're going to call you gordan drake reviewer 6k g2 from now on
Black Magic has created one of the best software(davinci Resolve). Now its time for them to focus and create a better camera to look at! And address some of the issues with AF, missing wave form and battery life.