So to me it sounds like the guy who made the grind strat was using a macro, was caught using it, then tried to move blame to the devs saying that a low ratio can get you wiped, then the devs came out and said that's not true but using a macro can get you wiped. So pretty much to avoid getting wiped, just play the game without automating it. Aka actually playing the game.
Just dont use macros...if you get bored just use another device or open a new tab while playing TDS and watch things in youtube like...family guy clips
Yo, im the guy that created the video/comment you are talking about. Let me set the record straight. I got a DM by a Senior moderator on the TDS discord server, telling me that some admins and one of her friends are starting a project where “my viewers are at a high risk of being data wiped if they’re win/loss ratio is under 0.05 at 500+ losses." I was told that I wouldn’t be personally data wiped, as im a “content creator” (if you can call me that lol) and my win/loss ratio isn’t below 0.05 to begin with. I am not doing this because I misinterpreted some threat from a developer, I got instructions to comment this on the afk related videos, and even got confirmation of this exact comment before I posted it. Whether this project will follow through or not I have no idea, and this seems to be just a thing on the side for now since not everybody is aware of the project, but I am only doing this as instructed. If you want dm proof and all that stuff, reach out :P (Btw I meant “exploit” as over-using the strategy, not as afk farming is an exploit, idk if that’s correct english tho lol.)
sure if you could provide me the DMs and I could make up a follow up video. I am a bit skeptical about this "project" given only the develoeprs can stat wipe but i will see
( BEFORE YOU READ: This is a big rant so if you don't wanna read it I'll leave a TLDR at the end. :] ) A good thing to note is if you aren't doing anything wrong, you don't have anything to worry about since you have no reason to be banned/wiped. I don't understand why people afk grind since once you get everything available, you run out of things to do other than more grinding. The whole point of grinding is to use what you worked hard for to get even more expensive things to help you win more games. (ex. Using Accel -> Engi) The grinding for all the expensive towers is literally the point of the game so there isn't really a reason in grinding them out with a macro since you'll end up not having anything to do after that and realize you wasted 20 or so hours macroing a game just to get everything and have no excuse to touch the game again. Personally I play TDS/TDX (it applies to both at this point) as a source of entertainment. It really grinds my gears when people find something that breaks the game and use it to make it 100x easier to get all the good stuff and then when they get banned/wiped etc. for using it, they whine and complain since they can't use what they got by practically cheating the entire game.(I have room to speak btw I spent 8 hours in one sitting getting accelerator I know I have an issue.) Hopefully they can make some sort of auto game review that can ban any (almost perfectly) repeated games) so anyone that wants the good stuff in the game to actually spend time doing so. (TLDR: If you play the game normally, you got nothing to worry about, and people that macro shouldn't complain they got banned/wiped since they're basically cheating and skipping the game entirely. :] )
Personally, I don’t want to be rotting my life away for piss-colored tower upgrades, but we do us I guess. I play for the fun of new content, not to sit my ass down to grind for the laser-piss beam man and the tf2 engineer rip-off, I would rather grind passively and actually enjoy the new influx of events,updates, and challenges then repeat the same thing over and over again, sorry dude.
@@Red_Platinuum That's fair, but I just don't see what the point in uing a macro to bypass almost then entire game since the grinding is a majority of the content in the game other than occasional events. Plus if you don't enjoy grinding, then not trying to be mean or anything, but maybe TDS isn't the type of game you'll like since one of the main requirements for getting the good towers is grinding and that's why they're so good.
@@PinxieShowOffical Yeah I get that. I'm a very nit-picky person about the amount of content in games since I tend to blow through games at insane paces and once I'm done I lose interest fast. I just play to enjoy the experience and the grind makes it feel way more rewarding in the end to me imo. So yeah everyone has their own opinions and ways to play. :]
Summing up the 10 minute video in a sentence: You won't get data wiped for having W/L ratio of 0.05 or lower, but you do have a chance to IF you use a macro. Which is probably the case with every person with that ratio anyway.
That was before macros were bannable, and it wasnt a tutorial on how to get coins fast. It was more an experiment to see if you could beat a TDS game without having to do anything
I have 0.23 win ratio because I mainly play on hardcore matchmaking and I usually get paired up with level 50-100 dummies and I never did a strategy because they’re annoying to follow lmao
I just don't death grind anyways, it's honestly more tiring and slow to keep losing over and over again, I have a win/loss ration of like 1.12, because I only decided to death grind for like, 6 games, got bored as hell, and decided to actually start winning.
@@Aethen-Official not good, poeple dont wanna grind hours for a tower, its human nature to find the easiest solution to things, use a macro for like the battlepass but then dont abuse it
Thats really good becuase if you are solo hardcore grinding is just dying. The devs know it so your L/W Ratio getting you banned without them knowing what you did is unfair.
this is the same situation bee swarm simulator had back when macroing was new bee swarm players thought it was exploiting because you have a robot playing for you
I dont get macro bans in a game where macros do the exactly same thing as playing normally. It doesnt do anything better or worse and i dont see a problem with no wanting to pay attention to doing the exact same strat 100 times Edit: i am specifically refering to grinding for towers like gatling gun, not beating events
If macros are allowed, the developers will have to balance the game with macro in mind and it would be ruined for the non-macro players, the players who are actually playing the game. This was the case for BSS blue hives, and as a non macro player I'm glad that macros were banned in TDS
@@my-name-is-welcome Tldr: people use macros to grind for endgame towers. Endgame towers take significantly longer and have a more repetetive obtainment method than standard towers. Endgame towers are needed for events, which are the best place for experimentation because youe doing it in a attempt to beat the mode, not optimize a strat people use macros to grind for more options to experiment with? The grind it takes to go from nothing to all non level req towers is compareable to getting a singular golden crate, and even worse for gatling gun or merc base. Hardcore towers thankfully dont take as long because of quests but its still a long grind. To get hardcore towers the optimal strat was always to get to a certain wave, lose, and try again, its stupid how the best strat has never been to beat a mode but to lose on the same early wave a bunch of times To get coins you speedrun a boss that players have beaten several times (understatement) already. If a casual player wants to grind for merc base or gatling gun theres going to be even more grind involved because of levels. Seems reasonable to macro something that'll take ages of the same thing to grind for The only experimentation you can do with the grind strats for endgame towers is making the process only slightly faster if at all because chances are what you'll find on youtube is the best. (No, searching up a strategy on youtube for a grind strat is not the same as a strat to beat a event) Getting endgame towers means that you can do events which are actually difficult and actually have options to experiment with beating the event while not being forced to beat it another 50 times for a reward. Events are the best place for experimentation in this game except for mayybe badlands or nuclear and what do you need for them? Thats right, endgame towers.
If Macros are gonna become banable it is gonna lose pay outs (and big ones) from people playing your game for exeple BSS what started with macros being banable and then changed to something that is recommended by many to do like as of now in TDS most of the more friendly strats are suicide strats and if TDS wants to fix this they can make it so after X wave after X time you can get the coins and lower the rewards for losing this will also make people more better at the game and would be great move for the pvp update as people guess what.. are gonna be lacking knowalage
i rather macros be banned so that lose rewards can stay as they are than having the lose rewards be nerfed so macros stay unbanned. TDS already makes a lot of money also
They would need to be in a REALLY BAD economic situation to allow macros since they alr have other things to make money (plushies, crates, gamepasses, etc.)
That great even my level in tds was 235 and 800+ loses and 400+ triumph…I grind for engi and i dont know before if my win was small than losses,but thanks my data didnt wiped.
data wiping is just weird, nobody is gonna want to play a game when they lost everything for no real good reason, might as well just ban them. It feels like pure greed to me, because if they prioritized the integrity of the game they'd ban them, they just want people to keep grinding forever and keep getting them money
also, what if somebody just doesn't know? There are hundreds of guides online and in videos and none of them really say its bannable, and not everybody wants to join the discord, they should just give a warn at least
Bro datawiping people that don't even know how to play the game and just macro everything is a great thing that tds needed rlly, because if you left them just macroing everything you'll get lvl 500 people that don't even know wth is even a commander chain. Datawiping this guys encourages more the "do repetitive stuff over and over again or get better" type of habits and has nothing to do with greediness.
@@DamienHagathere's something called "terms and conditions", where it says that using 2nd programs is not allowed, if you just don't read those then that's on you.
@@demianohinggins3494 how exactly is having bad players at a high level a bad thing? Skill issues exist even for normal players, should they be data wiped util they are good enough? Also nobody gets data wiped and keeps playing, you know they dont your just being obtuse
no not really as tds isnt a clicker game and it will make the game worse if u use autoclicker but the same can't be said for using the macro option in autoclicker
Do you think you could make a video about the leaderboards/chamption nametag? Some info about the EXP leaderboard would be nice to know like does the x2 weekend boost count, VIP Gamepass, VIP+, how to know if you're lb banned, how you could, etc.
A little story so I was part of the beta team for tds so I've been playing a while when gold towers where out I was decided while I went to sleep I would auto die for coins in gold modern.. I woke Up WITH 200k COINS! I didn't get banned and it ruined my win streak but I got most of the gold towers
Macro has been used in the game for ages, it’s just a fast way to earn coins and gems. It’s not exploiting it’s just a fast way to earn currency. Devs are crazy
So I might get datawiped bc TDS hardcore game design back then was so ass that you literally needed hardcore towers (+golden towers) to beat HARDCORE and the best way to grind gems was losing the game. Nice. Like back when hardcore was at its first stage there was almost literally no way a lvl 50 was beating hardcore. Hardcore is the whole reason I have a 0.29 win/lose ratio.
Exploit does not necessarily need to be the roblox term, exploiting something is using it. Exploiting too much is overusing it. For example, the company is overexploting the forest.
Here's my take for you Macro users: First off, don't play Tower Defense games. It's not for you. Tower Defense is always grindy. You start with almost nothing, and you have to do something over and over to get better towers and get *BETTER AT THE GAME,* macroing out your way into getting better towers will create huge problems for you and other players if you play a multiplayer Tower Defense like TDS. 1st problem: A Worse Experience. What you afk macro grinded for will feel less special, it will feel less important, and it most importantly *WILL NOT* help you to get better at the game, meaning you're going actually going to have a *worse* time if you use macros instead of not using it. The rush of getting something through hard work is gone, and if it is there, you need help, because you basically did something once, recorded it on a program and made the program do all the work you were *intended and should've done* for you. The game overall will feel less special, less connected to you and you will feel less emotion towards it. 2nd Problem: A worse experience for EVERYONE ELSE THAT'S NOT YOU, YOU NARCISSIST! People that actually play the game like me will feel horrible knowing that other people got what *we worked hard for* for doing absolutely nothing. It's a destroyer for motivation. And in TDS's case, it's an even worse problem because of Matchmaking. Because when you think you got good teammates (Level 300-500 or 600-1000), they're 99% going to be a macro afk grinder that *doesn't know how to play the game,* which makes our experience terrible. We already have to keep up with getting BAD low level players, now we are getting *even worse* high level afk macro grinders. This is bad because if you didn't know, these afk macro grinders *DON'T HAVE SKILL.* they skipped the grinding that would've gave them skill. They just have good towers, which won't be able to make up for their lack of experience. "Then don't use matchmaking" ok too bad 85% of the lobbies I join are filled with afk macro grinders. the only way to counter this is play with friends but let's be real, most afk macro grinders don't have friends. 😢 and I won't be their friends :3 3rd Problem: Dismotivation to the TDS developers. With the rise of these AFK Macro grinders, sure, they make more money with premium payouts, but it's still demotivating to see a lot of your community not even play the game. Imagine working hard to make an enjoyable experience for people that *do* play the game, and people that shouldn't be playing it decide to macro up and afk grind. It's *at least* very annoying to the devs. "Oh they're greedy" look at how much money Roblox takes from developers and tell me the reason they *shouldn't* be greedy to *continue with the life of the studio, in which it's main porpuse, is of course, drum rolls..... MONEY! woah, what a surprise. It's why it's called a business, child.* Overall, just please don't use macros. Less enjoyability for literally everyone.
i respect the tds devs but i really don't blame macro users because grinding silly quickdraw for like 30 hours to get good golden skins and gatling sucks
Don't mind me adding extra note for others to read *ROBLOX takes at least 80% of the amount of robux that the devs earn* which is why you rarely find games that are completely f2p with no monetization
The problem with this argument is that TDS as a game is formulaic, and thus this is a form of maximisation and optimisation of strategy. There is not much reason to do this normally in normally so it brings up the criticism of TDS Grinding, it is not a good thing, it is objectively bad and a boring aspect of a game that people would want to automise. In favour of macro users, there isn't much of a difference between manually playing based off a strategy off and just using a macro to grind. Neither gives you "skill" though in my opinion familiarising yourself with formulaic placements and towers isn't necessarily a skill and more so just an aftermath pfp experimenting and remembering. This can simply be solved by redesigning wave structure to be either more random (add varying waves that switch up gameplay and force the use of your brain), make it less grindy or make an incentive to actually beat hard gamemodes instead of doing a lose strat.
Just curious ive used a auto clicker overnight about twice for coins cause i had nothing else to do would that count as macroing or are auto clickers fine
I might be cooked tbh I started afking by putting an auto clicker at level 200 cause I had school and was to lazy and afked with a auto clicker on the restart button to level 400
I didn't even use a macro and when I enter the game I get an ad that says "Failed to migrate data" what does this mean? Is it over for me?I play TDS on Playstation there is no way I used macro I'm using a translator so I don't know if what I just wrote is correct
Not possible as it would take at least 10 YEARS to get to lvl 940 without winning (but ik you're overexaggerating so what's the point in doing the math properly)
Honestly just redesigning the game fixes any incentive to use macro. They could either reduce the grinding time, increase rewards for winning or make waves have a sense of randomness (i.e a wave may have speedy enemies instead of tanky enemies). In my opinion, I don't see much of a reason for them to ban macros, the only prevalent problem would be just the leaderboard. Points that people made like "skill" doesn't really exist, it's more so just familiarity and knowledge from knowing what beats what, for example a lvl 3 golden soldier beats Mega Slow on wave 19. This is because of the game having a formulaic structure in playing, you can't macro an fps but you can a strategy game that has a fixed gameplay. Macros are a simplification and add-on to strategies to cut down time on gameplay. (This is my take on macros, I am a non-macro user)
I never used macro in my life but I used the die at wave 3 and restart with auto clicker afk grinding back in day when it gave 286 coins per lost game in 3 minutes (this was a bug and it’s patched) and I got 3 golden crates using it so am I in danger or what? Someone pls answer if he have knowledge
grinding stuff in this game is too boring holy shit, i am NOT nailing my ass cheeks on my chair for the rest of day doing the same strategy over and over again without something new happening
Tbh the only reason im doing this im using autoclicker not macro but the only reason im doing this is to getbgsttling gun there is no way im grinding 35k manually
Soooo May i ask something? I have balance my wins and loses Like i have 500 to 500 wins and loses So will i get data reset? (Side note my win ratio is at 1 or 0.99
Did you even watch the video? Even if your W/L ratio 0.05 or under you probably wont get datawiped. You only get wiped if you have used a macro(That does not include an auto clicker to suicide grind)
Unless you actively used a macro/exploit, nah you're perfectly fine. Ratios give them an idea of people that MAY be using a macro and can further review them just to make sure they aren't.
So to me it sounds like the guy who made the grind strat was using a macro, was caught using it, then tried to move blame to the devs saying that a low ratio can get you wiped, then the devs came out and said that's not true but using a macro can get you wiped. So pretty much to avoid getting wiped, just play the game without automating it. Aka actually playing the game.
sounds like it
What is a macro?
@@PoisonousDrecorded sequence of actions (clicks, controls) that can be played back to repeat it
@@rifqy_6614tinytask is what I use and I haven’t got wiped yet 😅
@@YaBoyEv keyword: yet
so THAT’S why i saw a guy with 100 wins and 10k losses
Might’ve been me chat
I saw one aswell, i think he had 500 wins and 15k losses and he was cosplaying scout from tf2
@@aceofbaconz5632 i saw one with 22 wins and 23k losses
@Hve3da ya sure😂
i found 13k losses on weeks ago, and his win was 200 only
People getting datawiped for having a skill issue is crazy
Damn ig I have a skill issue for solo grinding accel before winning hc was a good strat
I'm cooked 😬
Yea so skilled grinding 21 hours for the battle pass in night 2 lol
Bro ong, those were the days with mili and ace and die ti slow boss😢
It's more like a patience issue
I swear to GOD, if Christmas has the EXACT same battlepass structure, I'm cooked.
It will, because it worked for the devs, they got a lot of premium payouts and money from the battlepass premium so they will most likely do it again
Can't wait for farm 40k shards
( I'm not even halfway through the battle pass )
watching this with 1,4k losses and a 0.38 win ratio is an experience
Mine is 0.02 :D
@@Umbrella.8 afk grinding
time to flex my >1 ratio :3
Don’t worry u only get your data wiped if u cheat or have your account terminated or hacked (me being Mr obvious)
Min is like 0.66
At one point I was 1.88, now thanks to all the grinding / useless teammates (I play casually now instead of just doing solos) I’m down to like a 0.52
then don’t make the pass require fucking 27k candy corn
Just dont use macros...if you get bored just use another device or open a new tab while playing TDS and watch things in youtube like...family guy clips
pls donate event bro!
@@lanzrivera6203yep, while I grind i usually get a podcast or smth on the side and just watch that.
@@lanzrivera6203 do you think we can spend that much time and sane enough to do that?
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Yo, im the guy that created the video/comment you are talking about. Let me set the record straight.
I got a DM by a Senior moderator on the TDS discord server, telling me that some admins and one of her friends are starting a project where “my viewers are at a high risk of being data wiped if they’re win/loss ratio is under 0.05 at 500+ losses."
I was told that I wouldn’t be personally data wiped, as im a “content creator” (if you can call me that lol) and my win/loss ratio isn’t below 0.05 to begin with. I am not doing this because I misinterpreted some threat from a developer, I got instructions to comment this on the afk related videos, and even got confirmation of this exact comment before I posted it.
Whether this project will follow through or not I have no idea, and this seems to be just a thing on the side for now since not everybody is aware of the project, but I am only doing this as instructed. If you want dm proof and all that stuff, reach out :P
(Btw I meant “exploit” as over-using the strategy, not as afk farming is an exploit, idk if that’s correct english tho lol.)
So if I have a 0.05 win ratio BUT it was due to me dying in hardcore during forst invasion to get accelerator, its okay?
sure if you could provide me the DMs and I could make up a follow up video. I am a bit skeptical about this "project" given only the develoeprs can stat wipe but i will see
@@WikiaColors Sent!
@@PazzoTDSI’m not sure if I received it because I can only see DMs from friends. Could you send your discord tag so I can friend you?
@@WikiaColors It's just "pazzotds"
Well thats good news ig
better than neutral or bad news
( BEFORE YOU READ: This is a big rant so if you don't wanna read it I'll leave a TLDR at the end. :] )
A good thing to note is if you aren't doing anything wrong, you don't have anything to worry about since you have no reason to be banned/wiped. I don't understand why people afk grind since once you get everything available, you run out of things to do other than more grinding. The whole point of grinding is to use what you worked hard for to get even more expensive things to help you win more games. (ex. Using Accel -> Engi) The grinding for all the expensive towers is literally the point of the game so there isn't really a reason in grinding them out with a macro since you'll end up not having anything to do after that and realize you wasted 20 or so hours macroing a game just to get everything and have no excuse to touch the game again. Personally I play TDS/TDX (it applies to both at this point) as a source of entertainment. It really grinds my gears when people find something that breaks the game and use it to make it 100x easier to get all the good stuff and then when they get banned/wiped etc. for using it, they whine and complain since they can't use what they got by practically cheating the entire game.(I have room to speak btw I spent 8 hours in one sitting getting accelerator I know I have an issue.) Hopefully they can make some sort of auto game review that can ban any (almost perfectly) repeated games) so anyone that wants the good stuff in the game to actually spend time doing so.
(TLDR: If you play the game normally, you got nothing to worry about, and people that macro shouldn't complain they got banned/wiped since they're basically cheating and skipping the game entirely. :] )
I had a stroke trying to hear the Brit's man speaking but reading this makes things more sense more than how the bread fall off the table
Thanks man
Because grinding isn't fun
Personally, I don’t want to be rotting my life away for piss-colored tower upgrades, but we do us I guess. I play for the fun of new content, not to sit my ass down to grind for the laser-piss beam man and the tf2 engineer rip-off, I would rather grind passively and actually enjoy the new influx of events,updates, and challenges then repeat the same thing over and over again, sorry dude.
@@Red_Platinuum That's fair, but I just don't see what the point in uing a macro to bypass almost then entire game since the grinding is a majority of the content in the game other than occasional events. Plus if you don't enjoy grinding, then not trying to be mean or anything, but maybe TDS isn't the type of game you'll like since one of the main requirements for getting the good towers is grinding and that's why they're so good.
@@PinxieShowOffical Yeah I get that. I'm a very nit-picky person about the amount of content in games since I tend to blow through games at insane paces and once I'm done I lose interest fast. I just play to enjoy the experience and the grind makes it feel way more rewarding in the end to me imo. So yeah everyone has their own opinions and ways to play. :]
2:43 and now, we pay our respect to Air for his sacrifice
What if people actually have a massive skill issue and just lose alot without a macro
L
Then you're fine
Me and other OG players who grinded self death steategy in hardcore to get accelerator:
They can track who doesn't and who does use a macro.
either they don't have the ability to learn from mistakes or they're actually learning and starting to understand better
Summing up the 10 minute video in a sentence:
You won't get data wiped for having W/L ratio of 0.05 or lower, but you do have a chance to IF you use a macro. Which is probably the case with every person with that ratio anyway.
Tbf after overhaul update first came out death grinding was popular as hell.
Elite did a video on how to use a macro a while ago 💀
that was before it was bannable though
That was before macros were bannable, and it wasnt a tutorial on how to get coins fast. It was more an experiment to see if you could beat a TDS game without having to do anything
Me trembling in fear with my 1300+ losses and like 500 wins:
still better than my w l ratio
@@MarcoMesekefr My is 7k + loses and 330 wins
Macro + go outside or play 30+ hours of just the boring event over and over for candycorn 😭
I have 0.23 win ratio because I mainly play on hardcore matchmaking and I usually get paired up with level 50-100 dummies and I never did a strategy because they’re annoying to follow lmao
69% of all people who completed the Halloween battle pass i swear used a macro 😭😭
i guess i am the 31 percent
fr 😭
@@arnouf No. You are the 420% of the people that never used a macro.
I only played on the double weekend drops and spammed night 3
Bro I don't use macros exploits or bot to grind for me because I'm scared ill get banned or data wiped and 4 years of my work potentially gone
I just don't death grind anyways, it's honestly more tiring and slow to keep losing over and over again, I have a win/loss ration of like 1.12, because I only decided to death grind for like, 6 games, got bored as hell, and decided to actually start winning.
gotta be honest i used macro while farming for candy corn bc i am NOT spending so much time grinding 27k candies 😭
yeah getting to 27k candies made me go crazy twice
I might be cooked
Pov hc grinding
Same i might be cooked bc i used it for hc grinding gems
if you use a macro, then good.
@@Aethen-Official not good, poeple dont wanna grind hours for a tower, its human nature to find the easiest solution to things, use a macro for like the battlepass but then dont abuse it
@@lordwipes376macro is an exploit aka exploiting/cheating
Thats really good becuase if you are solo hardcore grinding is just dying. The devs know it so your L/W Ratio getting you banned without them knowing what you did is unfair.
Funny cuz I saw some dude lvl 400 said he started last week (at the time) he had like 12k losses and 64 wins
BRO I'VE BEEN PLAYING FOR 3 YEARS ANDD I'M NOT EVEN LVL 300...
WHAT????? IM LITERALLY PLAYING SINCE FROST INVASION AND I STILL AM NOT ON LVL 400
@@Sunny_chips yes it’s tough I’ve played since 2019 and I’m only lvl 500 smthin 😭
what????
Wait that might be me-
this is the same situation bee swarm simulator had back when macroing was new bee swarm players thought it was exploiting because you have a robot playing for you
i only macroed for accelerator and i actually bought engi for like 25 bucks when i had some spare cash back then
I dont get macro bans in a game where macros do the exactly same thing as playing normally. It doesnt do anything better or worse and i dont see a problem with no wanting to pay attention to doing the exact same strat 100 times
Edit: i am specifically refering to grinding for towers like gatling gun, not beating events
so you want to be able to play a strategy game WITHOUT having to pay attention to the strategy?
@my-name-is-welcome what part about using the exact same strategy tens to hundreds of times screams "strategic"
@@LimbillionBrainrot try experimenting with the towers you have every once in a while
If macros are allowed, the developers will have to balance the game with macro in mind and it would be ruined for the non-macro players, the players who are actually playing the game. This was the case for BSS blue hives, and as a non macro player I'm glad that macros were banned in TDS
@@my-name-is-welcome
Tldr: people use macros to grind for endgame towers. Endgame towers take significantly longer and have a more repetetive obtainment method than standard towers. Endgame towers are needed for events, which are the best place for experimentation because youe doing it in a attempt to beat the mode, not optimize a strat
people use macros to grind for more options to experiment with? The grind it takes to go from nothing to all non level req towers is compareable to getting a singular golden crate, and even worse for gatling gun or merc base. Hardcore towers thankfully dont take as long because of quests but its still a long grind.
To get hardcore towers the optimal strat was always to get to a certain wave, lose, and try again, its stupid how the best strat has never been to beat a mode but to lose on the same early wave a bunch of times
To get coins you speedrun a boss that players have beaten several times (understatement) already. If a casual player wants to grind for merc base or gatling gun theres going to be even more grind involved because of levels. Seems reasonable to macro something that'll take ages of the same thing to grind for
The only experimentation you can do with the grind strats for endgame towers is making the process only slightly faster if at all because chances are what you'll find on youtube is the best.
(No, searching up a strategy on youtube for a grind strat is not the same as a strat to beat a event)
Getting endgame towers means that you can do events which are actually difficult and actually have options to experiment with beating the event while not being forced to beat it another 50 times for a reward. Events are the best place for experimentation in this game except for mayybe badlands or nuclear and what do you need for them? Thats right, endgame towers.
If Macros are gonna become banable it is gonna lose pay outs (and big ones) from people playing your game for exeple BSS what started with macros being banable and then changed to something that is recommended by many to do like as of now in TDS most of the more friendly strats are suicide strats and if TDS wants to fix this they can make it so after X wave after X time you can get the coins and lower the rewards for losing this will also make people more better at the game and would be great move for the pvp update as people guess what.. are gonna be lacking knowalage
i rather macros be banned so that lose rewards can stay as they are than having the lose rewards be nerfed so macros stay unbanned. TDS already makes a lot of money also
Onett makes so much off of premium players, TDS would benefit a lot from macro-ers
They would need to be in a REALLY BAD economic situation to allow macros since they alr have other things to make money (plushies, crates, gamepasses, etc.)
@Sunny_chips oh right I forgot Im in the top 0.00001% of players who is F2P 😭
That great even my level in tds was 235 and 800+ loses and 400+ triumph…I grind for engi and i dont know before if my win was small than losses,but thanks my data didnt wiped.
hardcore back then be like:
Also 27k candies battlepass be like:
Back in my days we used to lose at wave 13 or something in hardcore to get accel, it used to be the methods of nature.
wave 20-22 actually
@@Sunny_chipsyea
data wiping is just weird, nobody is gonna want to play a game when they lost everything for no real good reason, might as well just ban them. It feels like pure greed to me, because if they prioritized the integrity of the game they'd ban them, they just want people to keep grinding forever and keep getting them money
also, what if somebody just doesn't know? There are hundreds of guides online and in videos and none of them really say its bannable, and not everybody wants to join the discord, they should just give a warn at least
bro doesnt know you can get 50 levels in a day💀
Bro datawiping people that don't even know how to play the game and just macro everything is a great thing that tds needed rlly, because if you left them just macroing everything you'll get lvl 500 people that don't even know wth is even a commander chain.
Datawiping this guys encourages more the "do repetitive stuff over and over again or get better" type of habits and has nothing to do with greediness.
@@DamienHagathere's something called "terms and conditions", where it says that using 2nd programs is not allowed, if you just don't read those then that's on you.
@@demianohinggins3494 how exactly is having bad players at a high level a bad thing? Skill issues exist even for normal players, should they be data wiped util they are good enough? Also nobody gets data wiped and keeps playing, you know they dont your just being obtuse
yo that's me on 2:44, and I know I'm in risk, and I was using an auto clicker, but I think that still counts as using a macro
no not really as tds isnt a clicker game and it will make the game worse if u use autoclicker but the same can't be said for using the macro option in autoclicker
Do you think you could make a video about the leaderboards/chamption nametag? Some info about the EXP leaderboard would be nice to know like does the x2 weekend boost count, VIP Gamepass, VIP+, how to know if you're lb banned, how you could, etc.
A little story so I was part of the beta team for tds so I've been playing a while when gold towers where out I was decided while I went to sleep I would auto die for coins in gold modern.. I woke Up WITH 200k COINS! I didn't get banned and it ruined my win streak but I got most of the gold towers
As a person who is lv 600 and has 7k loses and 300 wins in cooked... I got wayy to much to lose
First server I joined, I saw a level 407 with 7.5k loses and 0.05 win ratio
Macro has been used in the game for ages, it’s just a fast way to earn coins and gems. It’s not exploiting it’s just a fast way to earn currency. Devs are crazy
So I might get datawiped bc TDS hardcore game design back then was so ass that you literally needed hardcore towers (+golden towers) to beat HARDCORE and the best way to grind gems was losing the game. Nice. Like back when hardcore was at its first stage there was almost literally no way a lvl 50 was beating hardcore. Hardcore is the whole reason I have a 0.29 win/lose ratio.
Same I've been playing tds since beta and ngl that's why I have 500 wins and 12k losses...
My alt has 10 wins and 1k losses, I tried afk grinding. That gave me from lvl 50 to lvl 145 and I'm not data wiped, I use an autoclicker.
Literally 1984
2020 Fallen Grind and Wave 21 HC Grind ruined my W/L ratio ngl.
then sooo im probabaly gonna get dtaa wiped anyway for the amount of times i lost hardcore (lvl 226, 0 hc wins lmao)
Im somewhere 170 lvl and with 0 hc wins too
Im in danger!
level 160
1 HC WIN TAKE THAT LOSERSSSSSSSSSSSS (jk)
@@ilikewoIves i will feed you to gaijin (jk)
I once a saw someone with 550 lvl 9k looses and 300 wins
Exploit does not necessarily need to be the roblox term, exploiting something is using it. Exploiting too much is overusing it. For example, the company is overexploting the forest.
thanks for the english lesson!
goes to show how their own playerbase doesnt even enjoy playing the game
I guess it's time to manually grind for engineer
Here's my take for you Macro users:
First off, don't play Tower Defense games. It's not for you.
Tower Defense is always grindy. You start with almost nothing, and you have to do something over and over to get better towers and get *BETTER AT THE GAME,* macroing out your way into getting better towers will create huge problems for you and other players if you play a multiplayer Tower Defense like TDS.
1st problem: A Worse Experience.
What you afk macro grinded for will feel less special, it will feel less important, and it most importantly *WILL NOT* help you to get better at the game, meaning you're going actually going to have a *worse* time if you use macros instead of not using it. The rush of getting something through hard work is gone, and if it is there, you need help, because you basically did something once, recorded it on a program and made the program do all the work you were *intended and should've done* for you.
The game overall will feel less special, less connected to you and you will feel less emotion towards it.
2nd Problem: A worse experience for EVERYONE ELSE THAT'S NOT YOU, YOU NARCISSIST!
People that actually play the game like me will feel horrible knowing that other people got what *we worked hard for* for doing absolutely nothing. It's a destroyer for motivation.
And in TDS's case, it's an even worse problem because of Matchmaking. Because when you think you got good teammates (Level 300-500 or 600-1000), they're 99% going to be a macro afk grinder that *doesn't know how to play the game,* which makes our experience terrible. We already have to keep up with getting BAD low level players, now we are getting *even worse* high level afk macro grinders. This is bad because if you didn't know, these afk macro grinders *DON'T HAVE SKILL.* they skipped the grinding that would've gave them skill. They just have good towers, which won't be able to make up for their lack of experience.
"Then don't use matchmaking" ok too bad 85% of the lobbies I join are filled with afk macro grinders.
the only way to counter this is play with friends but let's be real, most afk macro grinders don't have friends. 😢
and I won't be their friends :3
3rd Problem: Dismotivation to the TDS developers.
With the rise of these AFK Macro grinders, sure, they make more money with premium payouts, but it's still demotivating to see a lot of your community not even play the game. Imagine working hard to make an enjoyable experience for people that *do* play the game, and people that shouldn't be playing it decide to macro up and afk grind. It's *at least* very annoying to the devs.
"Oh they're greedy" look at how much money Roblox takes from developers and tell me the reason they *shouldn't* be greedy to *continue with the life of the studio, in which it's main porpuse, is of course, drum rolls..... MONEY! woah, what a surprise. It's why it's called a business, child.*
Overall, just please don't use macros. Less enjoyability for literally everyone.
Holy yap i aint readin allat
i respect the tds devs but i really don't blame macro users because grinding silly quickdraw for like 30 hours to get good golden skins and gatling sucks
Don't mind me adding extra note for others to read
*ROBLOX takes at least 80% of the amount of robux that the devs earn* which is why you rarely find games that are completely f2p with no monetization
The problem with this argument is that TDS as a game is formulaic, and thus this is a form of maximisation and optimisation of strategy. There is not much reason to do this normally in normally so it brings up the criticism of TDS Grinding, it is not a good thing, it is objectively bad and a boring aspect of a game that people would want to automise.
In favour of macro users, there isn't much of a difference between manually playing based off a strategy off and just using a macro to grind. Neither gives you "skill" though in my opinion familiarising yourself with formulaic placements and towers isn't necessarily a skill and more so just an aftermath pfp experimenting and remembering.
This can simply be solved by redesigning wave structure to be either more random (add varying waves that switch up gameplay and force the use of your brain), make it less grindy or make an incentive to actually beat hard gamemodes instead of doing a lose strat.
@@Be0mqyuUnless the strat involves losing, then I don’t think playing the same mode with the same strategy is a problem
I have 0.01 win rate so... I also saw someone with 12k losses with no wins 0.00 win rate so its most likely the macro part.
So I can't even leave my computer overnight with autoclicker anymore (((
So basically if you havent macro before, or basically dont macro at all, even if you have a high amount of losses, youre good?
so then hc people might get banned if they lose to much so they have to win like 2 games of molten to not get risk of getting banned
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Just curious ive used a auto clicker overnight about twice for coins cause i had nothing else to do would that count as macroing or are auto clickers fine
I think it's the same thing...
@@TotallyNotSnowy. It's not, macros replay what you do, autoclickers just click in the same spot repeatedly
that's still afk grinding which will get you a lot of hate even if it's not a macro
Pretty sure thats called a "micro" and its not bannable, so keep suicide grinding if you want if you dont care about W/L ratio
I macroed hell out of tds already, so I'm not worried
Rip hardore grinding
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@@my-name-is-welcomeno friends:
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Bad Internet:
Someone screwing placement, ability:
Rng:
Screwing timing of placement:
JUST DON'T USE MACROS
@piotrm5635 and what us Macro cause i dont know
😨I've seen one player have a losing streak of 0.01 and another 0.04. They use macros, right?
i saw a guy with 0 wins and 12k losses..
I might be cooked tbh I started afking by putting an auto clicker at level 200 cause I had school and was to lazy and afked with a auto clicker on the restart button to level 400
Will using an auto clicker to restart get u banned?
worlds greatest yapper
I didn't even use a macro and when I enter the game I get an ad that says "Failed to migrate data" what does this mean? Is it over for me?I play TDS on Playstation there is no way I used macro
I'm using a translator so I don't know if what I just wrote is correct
did you try rejoining often?
@@MarcoMeseke fortunately it already lets me join
The lvl 940 with 42k losses and 0 tryumphs:☹️
Not possible as it would take at least 10 YEARS to get to lvl 940 without winning (but ik you're overexaggerating so what's the point in doing the math properly)
Honestly just redesigning the game fixes any incentive to use macro. They could either reduce the grinding time, increase rewards for winning or make waves have a sense of randomness (i.e a wave may have speedy enemies instead of tanky enemies).
In my opinion, I don't see much of a reason for them to ban macros, the only prevalent problem would be just the leaderboard. Points that people made like "skill" doesn't really exist, it's more so just familiarity and knowledge from knowing what beats what, for example a lvl 3 golden soldier beats Mega Slow on wave 19. This is because of the game having a formulaic structure in playing, you can't macro an fps but you can a strategy game that has a fixed gameplay. Macros are a simplification and add-on to strategies to cut down time on gameplay.
(This is my take on macros, I am a non-macro user)
riddle me this if low loss ratio means data wiped then why havent i been data wiped for solo grinding for accel
brother did you even watch the video😭🙏
Uhh maybe because you didnt use a macro? Watch the video before commenting
@lanzrivera6203 I said that as a joke when the situation started
@@sonof6802 is the joke in the room with us cuz I'm not laughing
I never used macro in my life but I used the die at wave 3 and restart with auto clicker afk grinding back in day when it gave 286 coins per lost game in 3 minutes (this was a bug and it’s patched) and I got 3 golden crates using it so am I in danger or what? Someone pls answer if he have knowledge
*nervously looks at my 0.54 ratio* (no I did not use a macro, I just did some HC grinding using a lose strat)
you're chilling with the 0.54 below 0.10-0.08 is something to worry about
@ that’s soon to be me after I plan to grind for engie
"Insanely win low rates"
wat if i keep dieing and getting my account wiped ☠
I have 2k Loses (By trying wining solo Hc with My own Star)
grinding stuff in this game is too boring holy shit, i am NOT nailing my ass cheeks on my chair for the rest of day doing the same strategy over and over again without something new happening
Also macro is considered a third party application which could be considered an exploit as your getting an advantage
A minor advantage in simplification of tasks, you still do it normally but it repeats for you to take the load off of you
But can we do the afk farm not using marcros*
By just spamming skip and restart and restart?
if i use an autoclicker to just skip, will i get wiped?
So when I solo grinded but losing on hadcore mode will make me datawiped??
Tbh the only reason im doing this im using autoclicker not macro but the only reason im doing this is to getbgsttling gun there is no way im grinding 35k manually
Can you use autoskip or autoclicker to do it or it will make your data wioed
my main has 1k wins and 2k losses.. i didnt use losing death strats, i just SUCKED.
Isn't this like 25 kdr or smth
@ its 0.5, wins divided by losses.
@@A59ribetter than 0.1 or less which I see regularly in lobbies.
Be proud of yourself
@ yea ik lol, average for lvl 500+ that i see. either like 0.4-0.7 or 0.02, no inbetween.
I hope I don’t get banned. My win/loss ratio is 0.76 😭
you're good, mine is 0.00125😭😭
For some reason idk what my win/loss ratio is...
I've never used a macro since i only play tds in my tablet..
pepole that grind hardcore in 2020 will get wiped data 😂
Why are macros considered exploits?
They are still getting playtime?
watching this with 10k losses and 200 wins.
(0.02 win ratio)
Do you use a macro
@Windy_Forest23 I go in a game and just put an autoclicker on the skip wave button
only macro id use is E key spam for QoL micro
wait so using macros are bannable?
PS: no idea how macros work in TDS but I heard that a small group of tds players actually use macros???
Soooo
May i ask something?
I have balance my wins and loses
Like i have 500 to 500 wins and loses
So will i get data reset?
(Side note my win ratio is at 1 or 0.99
Did you even watch the video? Even if your W/L ratio 0.05 or under you probably wont get datawiped. You only get wiped if you have used a macro(That does not include an auto clicker to suicide grind)
@AvarianGuard i did watch the video I'm just worried
@@AvarianGuardphew I’m safe I never used a Macro but I have used an autoclicker to suicide grind.
What if I get 500 loses 0.05 although I don’t auto clicker ? Do I get data wiped !
LETS GO I CAN AFK WITHOUT BEING WORRIED
What...?
just curious, is using an auto clicker considered a macro?
Another video where you repeat yourself for ten minutes
What if someone comes up with a macro to win? Would they pick up on it?
Yes cause they are still using a macro
Am I cooked my win loss ratio is 0.06
Unless you actively used a macro/exploit, nah you're perfectly fine. Ratios give them an idea of people that MAY be using a macro and can further review them just to make sure they aren't.
@@Quacksifyy that’s good to know because I just do a lot of challenges I make that are really hard and that’s why I loose so much
you're fine dawg, i got 0.002 for grinding hardcore back then
Well there are exploits that automate tower placement aka scripts🤔
Im getting accel from losing 💀no macro solo only
Imagine being so bad that even the devs hate you
couldn't be me 🥱 ( I defo do not have a win ratio of 0.1 )
imagine being data wiped for being bad at the game
my friend with 1k losses 😅
I didn't have discord so I didn't know it, not saying I did
Me with 1.2k losses:
time to do an expieriment
are auto clicking counted as macro??
Why don't they like macros? They're in thte game either way