30 Super Carry: Lightweight or Legitimate

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  • Is the .30 Super Carry a legitimate self-defense cartridge? I think so ... if you like higher magazine capacity, this round is for you. If a 9mm has too much recoil for you, the .30 Super Carry might be just enough of a difference to work for you.

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  • @JAFO.
    @JAFO. 6 місяців тому +4

    In gel, I believe it was Sootch00 who tested 30sc vs 9mm and saw
    .603" from the 30sc, .61" from the 9mm both Speer Gold Dot,
    Negligible difference, 30sc penetrated similarly.
    9mm = 364lbs ME
    30 sc = 347lbs ME
    Again, negligible difference.
    16+1 in a micro autoloader, definitely a viable option.

  • @matthewklino3393
    @matthewklino3393 8 місяців тому +5

    Great video! I'm glad you brought up the 32 H&R and 327 Federal magnums. I EDC an SP101 in 327, and it's awesome to hear it get some love. A dedicated 327 Federal video would be most welcomed if you have the time.

  • @christophermassi341
    @christophermassi341 7 місяців тому +6

    I’m very glad I ran across your channel. Thought provoking info. Very knowledgeable without being a know-it-all. In a world of people that know everything.

  • @roykiefer7713
    @roykiefer7713 8 місяців тому +13

    Dick, THANK YOU for another excellent video. I hope your next “.4x revolver defensive cartridges” video won’t ignore the .45 Colt. I own an excellent S&W M625, four inch barrel Mountain Gun, chambered for the .45 Colt. IMHO, it equals (and exceeds) .45 ACP revolvers, simply because the old .45 Colt’s cartridge case capacity provides a LOT of potential for greater power (of course, one must absolutely ensure the revolver’s structural design can accommodate enhanced power). Again, I appreciate your videos and respect your solid, highly experienced and very well articulated presentations.

    • @lockloadwithdickfairburn-cr1jb
      @lockloadwithdickfairburn-cr1jb  8 місяців тому +5

      Thanks for your kind words. I do discuss the .45 Colt and the Mountain Gun would be the best carry model you could find. Indeed, you can load the Colt to levels generating too much recoil to use comfortably. When loaded to levels similar to the .45 ACP +P with good modern JHPs or wide flat nose lead slugs, the Colt is an excellent choice.

    • @brianc9374
      @brianc9374 7 місяців тому +1

      .45 Colt fought from the Indian wars all the way into WW2. Now with modern revolvers, it's back. Only this time to lay down some America on vicious bears and rogue sasquatch. It's the George Foreman of cartridges. It should enjoy retirement, but too much fight left in him.

  • @rob10ring
    @rob10ring 8 місяців тому +5

    All of the times that I’d heard you and your work referenced, it’s good to kind of get to know you now.
    I’m really enjoying these discussions.

  • @wyominggunproject
    @wyominggunproject 8 місяців тому +7

    I have two 30 Super Carry firearms. My S&W Shield Plus holds 17 rounds of 30 Super Carry in a pistol the size of a Glock 43.

    • @Gieszkanne
      @Gieszkanne 8 місяців тому +1

      You mean 43X. With a palmeto or shield magazine they hold 15.

    • @michigunsanta8680
      @michigunsanta8680 6 місяців тому +4

      It’s actually a smaller footprint than the 43 especially the 43X.

    • @MR.IceCreamMan93
      @MR.IceCreamMan93 2 місяці тому

      @@Gieszkannewrong it’s smaller and it fits 14 rounds with the flush mag plus one in the chamber . The 30 super is superior

  • @michigunsanta8680
    @michigunsanta8680 6 місяців тому +3

    30SC was created for short barrel pistols….another thing is because the the super high pressure the slide resets real fast you can do a 17 rd mag dump super fast in the Shield! It’s definitely a quick shooter. 👍🏻

  • @Kuetsa
    @Kuetsa 8 місяців тому +6

    My problem with .30 super carry was that it came on the scene exactly when our president was screaming loudest about outlawing 9mm because it was too dangerous.
    In places like South America, "Duty" and /or "Military" calibers are illegal for citizens, who are restricted to lesser calibers to insure that police and military have a distinct advantage over the general population.
    All of a sudden - BOOM - .30 super carry, perfect ammunition for "civilians" . . . (Not effective enough for law enforcement use . . . but good enough for YOU!)
    I couldn't help but think - Here We Go!
    They are not worried about increased magazine capacity - their aim is to restrict all civilian firearms to 10 anyway.
    I have nothing against someone CHOOSING .30 super carry - my worry was mandates.
    With ALL the restrictions that keep piling up to negate my Second Amendment Rights and disarm me - I can't even offer any apology for my paranoia!

    • @Gieszkanne
      @Gieszkanne 8 місяців тому +2

      As far as I know they are not restricted to lesser calibers, they are just not allowed to own the military&police caliber of 9mm. For example they also could own 38 Super or 45 ACP. In Italy it was the same (I dont know if still) But they even had a civil 9mm which was 9x21 instead of 9x19.

    • @michigunsanta8680
      @michigunsanta8680 6 місяців тому

      lol at least your honest! 👍🏻😂

  • @BBDragon66
    @BBDragon66 8 місяців тому +3

    Hope the channel keeps growing!!!

  • @johnlacasse8893
    @johnlacasse8893 8 місяців тому +2

    Dick, you are filling a void... I truly enjoy these videos.

  • @1straightcut
    @1straightcut 8 місяців тому +2

    Thank you, Dick! While I’m not looking to purchase a 30SC, I appreciate your knowledgeable comments - a great opportunity to learn. :-)
    I’m really looking forward to your next video on the 41 & 44 mag & 45acp revolver - I was hoping you might cover those! 👍

  • @rene6722
    @rene6722 8 місяців тому +4

    You are the easiest person to watch on gun tube. Even my wife listens to you and she doesn't even listen to me when I talk about guns. God bless brother. Thank you for bringing out the facts. Especially love that video about 45 ACP versus 9 mm. You're the best.

    • @lockloadwithdickfairburn-cr1jb
      @lockloadwithdickfairburn-cr1jb  8 місяців тому +3

      Thank you! How do I get my wife to listen to me?

    • @rene6722
      @rene6722 8 місяців тому

      @@lockloadwithdickfairburn-cr1jb you're more experienced in life than I am sir. I'm 46. But I have been married 23 of those 46 years. Don't be upset. My wife doesn't listen to me either haha God bless my friend.

    • @rene6722
      @rene6722 8 місяців тому

      @@lockloadwithdickfairburn-cr1jb I would love to see you do a video about the Glock 20 full size 10 mm. It's my everyday carry. I shoot it well. It took a while. I carry sig Sauer 180 grain 1250 ft per second jacketed hollow points. To me, it's no harder to shoot than my 686 357 magnum. I would like to see you do a video on that 10 mm setup. I love it. I use a kydex holster and carry it almost every day. It's hard to beat 15 + 1 10 millimeter , as long as you practice.

    • @Mrelindio42
      @Mrelindio42 8 місяців тому

      If/when you get your wife to listen to you, broadcast the technique on the channel and you will immediately jump to way over 100,000 subscribers.@@lockloadwithdickfairburn-cr1jb

  • @oldcop18
    @oldcop18 8 місяців тому +2

    I’m a 77 y/o that’s carried under LEOSA since my ‘97 retirement. Our annual retiree qualification is a fun get together usually followed by a lunch at the American Legion post.

    • @boostimalaka1
      @boostimalaka1 7 місяців тому

      HR 218 was signed and went into effect in 2004. It was posted in my P.D. Squad Room. It reminded M.O.S. to follow certain states laws like New Jersey to not use hollowpoint bullets.

  • @runyourrace2finish910
    @runyourrace2finish910 8 місяців тому +2

    Thank you for sharing great information! You have one of the best channels on ballistics and performance of different calibers !

  • @LuvBorderCollies
    @LuvBorderCollies 8 місяців тому +3

    I still feel totally well armed with a S&W K or L frame 4". That's because I've got several hundred thousand rounds thru those revolvers, not plinking or making noise but working on accuracy. Shooting PPC with some great mentors helped a lot. I sincerely don't feel any more secure or better armed with 16 rds of a smaller caliber. Although I wish I'd bought one of those first 7 shot L frames as they're pretty spendy now. Oh well, I could write large book of stuff I should've and should not have done.

  • @dennisl4000
    @dennisl4000 8 місяців тому +3

    Thanks for sharing your experience and thoughts. The only advantage of this caliber I see is capacity that does not seem to offset the disarranges. When compared to the 9mm of a similar weight class recoil calculations are about the same, the noise level has been stated to be greater, available gun selections are less, and the cost per round is much greater. The latter is the most significant in my view because of its impact on practice. I have been around a long time seen a lot of "new" cartilages come and fade from popularity. More options are better, but I do not see this one standing the test of time.

    • @Gieszkanne
      @Gieszkanne 8 місяців тому

      Yes is must be quite a bit louder. It has 50,000psi and 9mm +p+ 39,000psi. Also 327 Federal is louder than 357 Mag for the same reason. More pressure.

  • @AMXSShirt
    @AMXSShirt 8 місяців тому

    Thanks for sticking up for the old guys. Spent 26 yrs mil and been Ret for 14. Arthritis has me going a bit smaller now days.

  • @richc767
    @richc767 8 місяців тому +1

    New take on what I though twas going to be a nothing caliber. Well thought out dialog and it gave me a new appreciation of the lighter calibers

  • @theoriginalOSOK
    @theoriginalOSOK 8 місяців тому +4

    "Near 9mm performance"? Ha ha ha. Oh, sorry. I'll stick with my 40 S&W HST 180 grain. Or maybe I should go ahead and bump up to my G21? Still, appreciate the review. Thanks. ETA: OK for folks needing a reduced recoil option - it's always good to have more options. I'd still think that a good snub nose revolver is a better option - and you can get those in .327 Mag. Ah you just mentioned that.... and I totally agree that the old guys (and gals) should carry for sure!!

  • @michigunsanta8680
    @michigunsanta8680 6 місяців тому +1

    I absolutely love it. Been my EDC now for awhile. 👍🏻

  • @jamesnoe644
    @jamesnoe644 7 місяців тому

    Just wanted to let you know I appreciate everything you’ve put into your content, it helps me understand where the cartridges fall in line to help with my family’s ability to increase their progress. Well done

  • @kaytod
    @kaytod 8 місяців тому +2

    Thank you Dick for another good review. I tend to agree that the SC falls somewhere in between the 380 and 9. I think it would have the greatest appeal for those first timers, both as new firearm owners, and who then want a personal defense handgun that is in the compact to subcompact range. I too, haven't shot one yet, but from the reports of those who have, it is a bit easier to work the slides on them than the 9, so novice and limited mobility people can have something that operates more like a 380. Since we are talking about newbies, who aren't into reloading, the cartridge should give an advantage over the average 380 in terms of standard ammunition. At least at this time by ballistic calculation. The last thing is it will offer +2 or more in the magazine over the 380. So, all the things that a person new to firearms, with an eye to concealed carry may want. As for those experienced shooters who may indeed handload, it may not have much appeal, unless as you mentioned, they end up with physical limitations that the smaller round would fill their need. All in all, I hope it succeeds, like I do most every cartridge.

  • @petee454
    @petee454 8 місяців тому +2

    I enjoy the videos very much!!! I am recommending them as well for info. Thank you sir.

  • @dougwilkinson-uq3xr
    @dougwilkinson-uq3xr 8 місяців тому +3

    Love your content- keep it coming please!

  • @robertking6955
    @robertking6955 7 місяців тому +1

    I appreciate you taking the time to make these videos and sharing your knowledge, your channel has become my favorite channel to learn from. I would like to hear your thoughts on the 5.7x28 as a self defense round from a pistol and a carbine if possible. Thank you for your consideration and time to instruct.

    • @lockloadwithdickfairburn-cr1jb
      @lockloadwithdickfairburn-cr1jb  7 місяців тому +1

      I've had a couple of requests about the 5.7. I shot both the pistol and subgun when an FN salesman showed up at the state police range one day ... neat and easy to shoot weapons. I'll give some thought about where to borrow a pistol/carbine and wring out the 5.7 for a video. Whet I've seen on terminal testing in gelatin, I'm not very impressed.

  • @soggycracker5934
    @soggycracker5934 4 місяці тому +1

    30sc SHOULD have been super popular. Unfortunately, hardly anyone made a pistol for it.

  • @commonsenseisntcommon1776
    @commonsenseisntcommon1776 6 місяців тому +2

    I have a 30 super in a smith and Wesson shield plus, so far so good!

  • @PhycoKrusk
    @PhycoKrusk 7 місяців тому +2

    Honestly, I feel the biggest error that Federal made in promoting the .30 SC was trying to position it as a 9mm replacement when they should have positioned it as a better .380.
    I would be curious to know how small a gun you could cram it into before it could no longer exceed .380 performance. I don't think it could ever match .32 for size, if only because of the longer case length, but I still wonder.

  • @Chrishelmuth1978
    @Chrishelmuth1978 8 місяців тому +3

    I like these caliber discussion videos... you should do the 7.5 FK BRNO

  • @JuanRodriguez-q7z
    @JuanRodriguez-q7z 8 місяців тому +1

    Thanks for the video, Dick. I may consider that caliber for my wife, who is more recoil sensitive. I’ve been reluctant to consider .380, but I will have to check the 30SC and have her evaluate it.

  • @kevinramsey3490
    @kevinramsey3490 8 місяців тому +1

    Another great video. I haven't pulled a trigger on a 30 Super either. My wife would probably like it.

  • @bigandy2109
    @bigandy2109 8 місяців тому +1

    Great video, i never really considered the 30 super carry , however there is always a huge supply of it in JHP and FMJ on the shelves here in San Antonio, thought about picking one up for that reason alone

  • @ajm2872
    @ajm2872 7 місяців тому +1

    9mm was sold to us with promises of mostly adequate performance when compared to the standard of 357mag. The trade-off was that you could carry more rounds.
    Now, 30 super carry is being marketed using the exact same sales pitch, but with 9mm as the new standard. "Almost as good as mediocre" sounds like a horrible idea, regardless of how many shots it adds to my magazine.
    I don't want to have to land 7 center mass hits just to get the desired effect on target that 1 hit should achieve.

  • @bigal2696
    @bigal2696 8 місяців тому +1

    Yes I am enjoying your videos. Thank you for providing this content

  • @gregosborne2041
    @gregosborne2041 8 місяців тому +1

    Great informative article as usual……., concerning the upcoming video you spoke about, wish you could add the 45 Colt to that list!

  • @bigbossman3806
    @bigbossman3806 8 місяців тому +1

    Yes I really enjoy these videos, great presentation.

  • @Kattbirb
    @Kattbirb 8 місяців тому +3

    Honestly, I forgot it existed.
    It would have been a great alternative to .380, but from what I understand, it has way too much pressure to be viable in anything smaller than a micro 9 frame. So .30 Super Carry has to fight against a market flooded with inexpensive 9mm pistols. It’s just not going to work out.

    • @Gieszkanne
      @Gieszkanne 8 місяців тому +1

      Its not only the pressure, also it has about the same recoil as 9mm. So it lose the benefit of 380 that has less recoil.

    • @Kattbirb
      @Kattbirb 8 місяців тому

      @@Gieszkanne That's unfortunate. Having two more rounds over a micro 9 doesn't sound worth the trouble if you don't have less recoil either.

    • @Gieszkanne
      @Gieszkanne 8 місяців тому +1

      @@Kattbirb Yes that why nobody is really excited about 30SC and it doesnt take up.

  • @colt10mmsecurity68
    @colt10mmsecurity68 8 місяців тому +11

    Remember when Federal thought their new .327 would kill the .38spl and compete head to head with .357 magnum?
    Remember when Federal thought their new joint ventured .32 H&R Magnum would kill the .38spl?
    Remember when Ruger thought their new .204 would replace the .22mag, .22Hornet and the .223?
    Remember when S&W thought their new .40 S&W would kill the 9mm, 10mm and the .45ACP?
    Remember when Rock Island Armory thought their new .22 TCM would kill the 9mm?
    Remember when FN thought their new 5.7x28mm would cut “heavily” into 9mm sales?
    Remember when Glock thought their new .45GAP would cut sales of the .45ACP?
    Remember when Remington thought their new .41 magnum would outperform the “underpowered” .357 magnum AND the “overly powerful” .44 magnum?
    Remember when Sig thought their new .357Sig would kill both the 9mm and .40 S&W?
    Remember when Ruger thought their new .17HMR would overtake sales of .22WMR?
    Remember when the .41AE was supposed to take over .45ACP?
    Remember when Remington thought their new .357 Maximum would take over the .357 Magnum world?
    Remember when Winchester thought their new 9x23 would beat out the .38 Super for popularity in competition matches?
    Remember when Cor-Bon thought their new .400 Cor-Bon would lead in sales, beating out 10mm?
    Remember when Federal thought the .30 Super Carry would kill the _________(fill in)?
    If you use a 9mm pistol for defense and you’d rather have a cartridge that has less energy, makes smaller holes in bad guys, has smaller hollow-point cavities for less expansion, is too small to use in competitions for practice, is harder to find in stores, and is more expensive, then 30SC is for you.

    • @LibertysetsquareJack
      @LibertysetsquareJack 8 місяців тому

      Definitely a lot of wheels have been reinvented :D
      The physics have remained the same since the beginning. Powders have advanced and what not, which influences cartridge dimension and firearm actions; but really, since the late 19th century, things have not really changed, in terms of internal and external ballistics.
      A bullet of .40 caliber dimension, weighing 180 grains, doing ~ 1,200 fps out of a c. five inch barrel, for instance: a specific .40 S&W load, and certain 10mm Auto load? Yes and yes. Late 20th century development? Yes. But it could also be 38-40 Winchester in like 1880.
      Same with "30 Super Carry." At the end of 19th century and going into the beginning of the 20th, there was a plethora of pistol cartridges in 6.something, 7.62, 7.65mm caliber range, with similar power potentials. So something new in Super Carry is new, but something like 7.65 French is "old."

    • @HalfCrazy520
      @HalfCrazy520 8 місяців тому +1

      Love this...
      .30 Super Carry... answering a question no one was asking.

    • @antpassalacqua
      @antpassalacqua 8 місяців тому

      .204 is great though

    • @LibertysetsquareJack
      @LibertysetsquareJack 8 місяців тому +2

      @@antpassalacqua A lot of those cartridges OP listed are interesting. Some of them may have been far more successful too if other factors had been different.
      5.7 FN for instance. It was originally designed with defeat of soft armor as a prime intent. If civilians could have legally and easily acquired military spec loadings of it then it may have proven to be much more popular, because body armor has become relatively common to the point there is a credible concern over the criminal element wearing it. With the "sanitized" versions of 5.7 being what they are though, there wasn't much of anything to distinguish a Five SeveN pistol from other offerings, save perhaps some extra magazine capacity.

  • @oldcop18
    @oldcop18 8 місяців тому

    I’m a 77 y/o that’s carried under LEOSA since my ‘97 retirement. Our annual retiree qualification is a fun get together usually followed by a lunch.

  • @michaelestrada2772
    @michaelestrada2772 8 місяців тому

    I’m excited for your next video on the big bore revolvers! Since you’ve talked about the power of momentum, I’ve been trying to find resources explaining the advantages it has over kinetic energy. A dedicated video on this topic may be helpful as well (if you haven’t made one already). Regardless, I hope you know your content is much appreciated!

    • @lockloadwithdickfairburn-cr1jb
      @lockloadwithdickfairburn-cr1jb  7 місяців тому +1

      Thank you. I think I'll put together a discussion of KE versus the various momentum-based calculations - Hatcher Scale - Tylor Knock Down - Pounds/Feet, etc.

  • @johnhortonjr.9584
    @johnhortonjr.9584 8 місяців тому

    I really like your review of this new cartridge the 30 Super Carry.

  • @Mrelindio42
    @Mrelindio42 8 місяців тому

    Another very interesting and informative video! I am going to stick with the nines and tens unless I wander into a gun store and see something I suddenly really, realy need.

  • @gradybird3336
    @gradybird3336 7 місяців тому

    Well, I love the idea of the .327 Federal Magnum and the .357 Sig too. Great ideas with no hope, I'm afraid. I really hope the future proves me wrong.

  • @SquallWulfhart
    @SquallWulfhart 8 місяців тому +2

    When I first saw 30 SC I thought "well this has everything 9mm guys like, should do well". But it seems hardly any of them made the switch or give it any merit. Granted, I understand the platform choice is limited.

  • @michaelestrada2772
    @michaelestrada2772 8 місяців тому +1

    It’s sort of a move in the opposite direction as the 40 in that it’s slightly weaker than the 9mm with less recoil and a little more capacity. It seems like an okay little round.

  • @bobbynicol4857
    @bobbynicol4857 Місяць тому

    Hello Dick...always a pleasure watching your videos. What is your opinion of the .327 Federal Magnum? Have you ever test fired it?

  • @jdblackwell2873
    @jdblackwell2873 7 місяців тому +1

    Thank you for the content. I really appreciate it. My thoughts are quite similar to yours, but it’s interesting to hear you go over it and it appears you have much more experience than myself at the real world effects of these cartridges. Hopefully I never have your level of experience in the real world with these cartridges. So far you have said that the ideal self-defense cartridge is the 40 Smith & Wesson. You have indirectly ran that higher than anything else. Many people would not say that today I do believe you are correct and so did Dave Emary so here’s my thought for you. Is the best system you can run 40 Smith & Wesson in a Beretta PX4 Storm? That gives you the soft recoil that everybody wants from the 9 mm and the better barrier penetration that 40 clearly has over 9 mm. If you wonder why I say the Beretta PX4, it is because it is notably softer shooting than most other handguns particularly for a lightweight handgun. And, it was a handgun actually designed from the ground up for the 40 Smith & Wesson.

  • @v73133
    @v73133 8 місяців тому

    A rep from Speer mentioned to me that clear gel only has about 70% correlation to calibrated gel, so what you mention seeing in your water test sounds more useful.

  • @KhanTrav
    @KhanTrav 8 місяців тому +2

    My first time seeing you. Subbed

  • @DanTheWolfman
    @DanTheWolfman 8 місяців тому +1

    Very nice Video, and while I'm with Urey Patrick & either wanting it to start with a 4 or 357 magnum & think total wound volume/PCC/Tissue Crush is vastly overlooked nowadays...Federal has done a ton .327/.30super carry will obviously be effective, but with Hydrashok Deep .38 Snubs, .380, and now I just got their official data on new .32 ACP are all viable, as is .32 H&R with their 85 gr JHP. Did you say you knew Martin Fackler? I'd like to see the 1 gallon jug water correlation ratio to penetration depths in Organic Gel. Take a look at my recent Meat & Bone Target Ballistics Tests, or the REAL FBI Organic GelTesting Data from 89-98' I am dropping on each caliber

    • @lockloadwithdickfairburn-cr1jb
      @lockloadwithdickfairburn-cr1jb  8 місяців тому +3

      I met Doctor (Colonel) Fackler at a body armor conference in Reston, VA 1990. He coached me into developing a water-based testing system much easier to use than 10% gelatin. One of my earliest video demonstrates the water jug testing and the formula you can use in one-gallon milk jugs to determine the depth of penetration. The expansion/penetration characteristics of pistol velocity JHP bullets is almost the same in water or 10%.

    • @DanTheWolfman
      @DanTheWolfman 8 місяців тому

      @@lockloadwithdickfairburn-cr1jb Thank you, I need to look into that. Apparently there are 5 different viable penetration correlation formulas that can be used. I've compared my tests so far (2 of which are public, the Heavy Winter 6-layer .357 mag videos are upcoming) & they compared very favorably to real Organic Gel Official Data I have managed to get with slight barrel length variable taken into play. I'd love it if you looked at some of my Ballistics videos, either my testing videos, No BS Caliber video, or 9mm vs .45 series I think I have a firm grasp on things.

  • @davehein7466
    @davehein7466 8 місяців тому +1

    Myself, I prefer .45 ACP, 9mm Luger. and 5.7x28mm for self defense handgun carry. I have 'no dog in this argument'. Just saying what my preferences are. Yes, I do carry handguns of all 3 calibers every day. I do change up EDC guns often, but NOT the way I carry.

  • @secondthought2320
    @secondthought2320 2 місяці тому

    Own one. Shoots great. Ammo is still expensive and the magazine is a real job.

  • @philippicphilodox888
    @philippicphilodox888 8 місяців тому +4

    I hope the 30 SC stays around awhile. I see the best use case being the micro compacts, Sig P365 and company. It would have better ballistics than a .380 while being just as easy to shoot and having a couple rounds greater capacity. Seems to be the Goldilocks round for that class of pistol.

    • @kevinrichardson8859
      @kevinrichardson8859 8 місяців тому +2

      30SC Has its hands full trying to compete with a 380 +p 100 grain hardcast...or a hot 380 fmj...remember 380 is a .355 caliber to begin with that WONT shrink as opposed to a .31 caliber bullet that may expand to around 35+ -45 caliber! 🤷‍♂️

    • @philippicphilodox888
      @philippicphilodox888 8 місяців тому

      @@kevinrichardson8859 True. But there is technically no SAAMI spec for .380 +P. The ceiling for .380 is 21,500 psi, IIRC. However, I suspect most commercial loadings don’t come close to this. The .380 +P loads are starting to get a little spicy for me. I have a little arthritis creeping in my hands and right wrist. In probably less than 10 years I would appreciate a low recoil platform that is of usable size and easy to manipulate without stepping down to rim fire. Either that or some miracle cure. That’s the way I was leaning, anyway.

    • @kevinrichardson8859
      @kevinrichardson8859 8 місяців тому +1

      @philippicphilodox888 well then 30sc is not leaning away from recoil from a 380...as the pressure is over 40kpsi for starters...380+ p and any bullet around 100 grains or even a federal hst 99 grain or a federal hydra shok deep 99 grain or a Remington Golden saber at 102 grains will deliver similar or comparable wounding...cheaper and more readily available than any 30sc WITH less recoil AND cheaper! Any quality locked breech 380 ie...sig p238...G42...Springfield 911...sig p365 can easily handle the "380+p" remember it's just to shoot some to verify zero and reliability..and then carry
      ..not a range ammo

    • @philippicphilodox888
      @philippicphilodox888 8 місяців тому +1

      @@kevinrichardson8859 I have a Sig P250 in .380 that I bought years ago as my “old man gun.” For some reason, the thing shoots like a laser with most ammunition, significantly better than any polymer pistol I’ve ever shot, and it is easy to rack and shoot. It’s kind of chonky for a .380, though, and the latent hipster in me was thinking about something more sleek and trendy. But the thing one already has is always a good option to consider.

    • @kevinrichardson8859
      @kevinrichardson8859 8 місяців тому +1

      @@philippicphilodox888 glock 42 is laser bean accurate and definitely "sleeker" and svelte than a p250....add some nice night sights and a couple spare mags and you are good to go

  • @armorist6570
    @armorist6570 8 місяців тому +2

    I think its an okay round, but i dont know WHAT they were thinking releasing it when they did, when the whole world was in an ammo crisis, and still is

  • @HalfCrazy520
    @HalfCrazy520 2 місяці тому

    OK, I'll say it... .30 Super Carry was the answer to a question *no one* was asking.

    • @MR.IceCreamMan93
      @MR.IceCreamMan93 2 місяці тому

      You sound dumb saying that lol new technology is always welcome , especially when it’s has more capacity then any 9mm in that size for trade off of 20ft pounds

  • @Gieszkanne
    @Gieszkanne 8 місяців тому

    From the most reviews I have seen they say it has the same recoil as 9mm. On the shotshow last year some youtubers shot the S&W EZ 9mm and 30SC side by side and couldnt feel a differnece in recoil. So the only advantage is 1or 2 rounds more. So it rivals more the 9mm. Its not a mouse gun caliber. Micro 9mm is the smallest it could go. Also because of the high pressure of 50,000psi. Also with this high pressure the 30SC is louder. For some this is also a concern,because in self defence you will shoot without ear protection.

  • @SonnyCrocket-p6h
    @SonnyCrocket-p6h 8 місяців тому +1

    All you have to do is use an inertia "mallet" bullet-pulling device to remove the 50 gr solid copper hp out of Liberty Arms 380 ammo and load it over a lot more Alliant Bullseye powder. than would be the case with a 90 gr jhp. Work up to a safe max load, 1/2 grain at a time. when your next move up doesnt show a matching increase in velocity, back off 1/2 grain. use heavy gloves, no magazine, and "hug" a tree when working up loads. Dont work up max safe loads in cold weather or with a cold ammo cause when one or both get hot, it ups the pressures. You can melt the lead out of 95 gr ball bullets, replace it with epoxy and have about a 45 gr bullet, depending upon what epoxy you use. That will save you a few of the $2 each bullets from Liberty arms. Factory 380 ammo has to be safe to fire in simple blowback guns, so it's about 15,000 CUP under-pressure for what's safe in a locked-breech gun. The keltec, Ruger, etc, are sub 5.5" x 4.5" and 10 ozs, so you dont need anything smaller or lighter.

  • @JonCarter-i3k
    @JonCarter-i3k 6 місяців тому +1

    What "Super Carry" is, was an ill conceived, very inadequately marketed idea. It's the "Edsel" equivalent in cartridges. ..... S&W: "Let's confuse our fastest growing demographics with a previously unknown, vaguely named cartridge, with only TWO actual choices of carry pistols chambered for it !"
    ... (mostly newcomers consisting of young people, ... ladies, ... and seniors). And while we're at it, let's provide extremely limited choices in ammunition, ... priced at exorbitantly higher prices than 9MM, at a time when prices of ALL actual necessities are steadily increasing !! Brilliant move, S&W !! 😅😂

  • @Paladin1873
    @Paladin1873 8 місяців тому +2

    The 7.65x20 French Long is physically very similar to the 30 SC, but tends to be downloaded. The auto pistol cartridge that comes closet to mirroring the ballistics of the 30 SC is probably the 30 Luger (7.65x21). The 7.63x25 Mauser or 7.62x25 Tokarev are loaded much hotter than any of them. Frankly, I've never warmed up to the idea of using a 32 caliber handgun for self-defense, so I'll pass.

    • @LibertysetsquareJack
      @LibertysetsquareJack 8 місяців тому

      Yeah I agree: this is very similar to 7.65 French, and some Mauser cartridges.
      Everything old is new again.
      These sorts of pistol cartridges never dominated back in the day, especially in the U.S.A., so I can't really see it happening now either.
      The rimmed equivalents, 32 H&R and 327 Magnum, will probably maintain some presence in the market, because they can afford some decent power in a small revolver frame, with the added benefit of chambering seven shots to a cylinder that would otherwise typically be five shots (38 SPL).
      But in terms of autoloaders, it's hard to think of a substantial target demographic. Most people will gravitate to 9mm Luger or 380 Auto on one side or the other, instead of getting 30 Super Carry.

    • @Paladin1873
      @Paladin1873 8 місяців тому

      @@LibertysetsquareJack And price of ammo isn't going to help. At least 9mm is affordable, meaning it's only doubled in price in the last four years.

    • @LibertysetsquareJack
      @LibertysetsquareJack 8 місяців тому

      @@Paladin1873 lol at "only doubled in price." Yep. Most regular folks are not going to want to spend even more money for a "new" cartridge, let alone invest in new pistols.

  • @neospiderbh
    @neospiderbh 8 місяців тому

    Always great information, and presentation thank you

  • @cgsimons1187
    @cgsimons1187 8 місяців тому +1

    I'm hoping a focus towards some really slim(and concealable) pistols happens going forward. Perhaps slimmer than pistols typically available in 9mm while having the same number of rounds or slightly more in the mag. The 30 Super Carry might even have potential in a pocket pistol with more reliable expansion than the .380 ACP from a short barrel.

    • @Gieszkanne
      @Gieszkanne 8 місяців тому

      Its not a mouse gun caliber. Pressure is higher than 9mm +p+ and recoil is like standard pressure 9mm.

  • @emiconstantino5434
    @emiconstantino5434 7 місяців тому +1

    I though the 30 super carry will be suitable for a fast reloading 7 shot or 8 if present metallurgy allows.Reloaded thru moon clips of course.Cheers from Phillipines.

  • @gryphonz3
    @gryphonz3 3 місяці тому

    All the ballistic testing I have watched, the .30 SC expansion reminds me of a rifle bullet expansion. Wide petals with a long base. If you look at a HST in .30 SC, the skives are cut deep...but look to me to be designed to limit the expansion to a certain level. I am not a Ballistic Expert, just a guy who likes to shoot lotsa different gun's. I have become pretty intrigued in the .30 SC. Hopefully it will catch on and stick around.

  • @curtshelp6170
    @curtshelp6170 Місяць тому

    My 327 federal magnum Ruger LCRX moves the 104 gr HST at 1313 fps and expand to 50-58 caliber in water jugs. very powerful.

  • @christhirkell755
    @christhirkell755 8 місяців тому

    Looking forward to the 44magnum review. Really to want to know if it’s idiotic even considering it. Great content 👍

  • @eltonpaxton6894
    @eltonpaxton6894 8 місяців тому +1

    Well spoken.

  • @RussellBaine
    @RussellBaine 4 місяці тому

    I love your content; very practical and educational. What about as a woman's gun? And as an older guy with older values, do you see the man as the protector or not.

    • @lockloadwithdickfairburn-cr1jb
      @lockloadwithdickfairburn-cr1jb  4 місяці тому

      The .30 SC and the equivalent ,32 revolvers can serve a man or a woman with carefully selected loads. Yes, I guess I'm an old guy like and see the man as the "protector." Better yet is a female partner who is well armed and trained and you can work as a team.

  • @sammcrae8892
    @sammcrae8892 7 місяців тому

    How does it stack up against the .30 carbine round? It might be okay in a carbine, but is it needed? I love the .41 Magnum and .257 Roberts (and wildcat variations) and they have their place, but are they necessary? No, not really. If the performance is equivalent, why not just use thirty carbine? Because it doesn't have their name on it.

  • @rcusa4863
    @rcusa4863 7 місяців тому

    The average pressure of the .30 Super Carry cartridge is 52,000 psi, which could be a safety issue in pocket-size firearms that were designed for 21,500 psi (average .380 ACP pressure). However, any ammunition that is NOT used by military and law enforcement is good news for civilian markets, as long as civilians understand the importance of ammunition diversity. Meaning, good luck finding affordable 9mm if a major war breaks out. 30 Super Carry can survive if 52,000 psi does not injure too many shooters AND if made by manufacturers who only have production lines for civilian ammunition (e. g .30 SC, .223, 22LR, .357/.38) that will NOT re-purpose those production lines for military ammunition (e.g. 9mm, 5.56, etc).

  • @forestgrump2168
    @forestgrump2168 6 місяців тому +1

    Hi point makes a carbine for this . I am sure it is for countries that ban military cartridges . nobody shot with a 30sc or 9mm will probably be able to tell the diffrence .

  • @Kuetsa
    @Kuetsa 8 місяців тому

    PS - Great channel, I'm glad I found it.

  • @COJASh1
    @COJASh1 8 місяців тому +1

    44 special my favorite.

  • @glenhar1225
    @glenhar1225 7 місяців тому +1

    Waiting for super30 in smaller thinner lighter carry pieces than current micro9s. Ie: 380 pocket carry size.

  • @erroneous6947
    @erroneous6947 8 місяців тому +1

    Imo this cartridge would shine in a small carry pistol or a full auto smg.

  • @Valorius
    @Valorius 8 місяців тому

    I carry .380+P in my LCP max with a 12rd magazine. I have chronoe'd it at 1030fps and 215fpe with Underwood 90gr+P XTPs. (I have a video listing the modifications I did to the pistol to beef it up for +P use).

  • @robertshay9951
    @robertshay9951 8 місяців тому

    Good video as usual. Jury is out on this one. But we will see

  • @sgtmajtrapp3391
    @sgtmajtrapp3391 8 місяців тому +1

    This to me is a modern higher pressure 7.65 French Long 7.65x22.

  • @MrBuckeye63
    @MrBuckeye63 5 днів тому

    I feel the 30 Super Carry would be a great Revolver Cartridge
    Taurus 856 sized revolver would make a 6 or 7 shot … 30 SC is close to the 327 .. more power than the 32 H&R .. and is alot less expensive than both …
    I was hoping a few handgun manufacturers would have chambered a few different hand guns .. but it didn’t happen

  • @AugustusMcCrae-e8h
    @AugustusMcCrae-e8h 2 місяці тому

    I consider 9mm to be marginal at best so I consider the 30 Stupid Carry to be less than marginal.
    For those that suffer from physical limitations the 30 Super Carry has some potential. I’d prefer to carry a 38 Spl in a .357 Magnum or light recoil 9mm however as there is more documentation of how the rounds perform irl.

  • @chrissidwell9455
    @chrissidwell9455 8 місяців тому +2

    Once a police officer retires or quits his job as an officer, I don't really see why they should have any more rights to carry a gun than any other citizen with a CCL. But experience is worth something I guess, and as long as they have good ethics I have no problem with it.

    • @lockloadwithdickfairburn-cr1jb
      @lockloadwithdickfairburn-cr1jb  8 місяців тому +4

      I think the theory behind LEOSA was two fold. First it allowed retired officers to protect themselves against bad guys they had helped incarcerate who they might bump into once released. Secondly, it put hundreds of thousands of trained and experienced officers on the street, armed, who might stop a terrorist attack or active shooter incident in the early stages. However, I agree CCW holders should also have nationwide concealed carry.

  • @RoadTraveler
    @RoadTraveler 7 місяців тому

    Good work.

  • @SteveKerr-o8m
    @SteveKerr-o8m 3 місяці тому

    Shot placement is key

  • @tywatts7834
    @tywatts7834 7 місяців тому

    Did you kill the mountain lion with the 30 supercary

  • @JohnTBlock
    @JohnTBlock 5 місяців тому

    Plus, if you collect French handguns, it'll work through a .32 French long auto pistol!! 🤣 Ian MaCallum of "Forgotten Weapons" and a known Francophile proved that....

  • @Santaheckler
    @Santaheckler 8 місяців тому

    Just saw this caliber at my local Big R and thought what the heck is that? Seems a bit ridiculous now. 🤷‍♂️

  • @conradswadling8495
    @conradswadling8495 8 місяців тому +2

    for 'real world' tests. paul harrel (get well soon). or gun sam revolver fan

  • @tnman6938
    @tnman6938 7 місяців тому

    GOOD INFO!!

  • @t2brfu67
    @t2brfu67 6 місяців тому

    Likable enough,but doubt it goes anywhere...

  • @kevinrichardson8859
    @kevinrichardson8859 8 місяців тому +1

    Im ONLY going "larger" caliber than 380...definitely not smaller in a handgun! .355 caliber (380 and 9mm para) is larger "caliber " than .31 caliber(30sc) a 100 grain 380 +p hardcast or fmj at or around 1000-1150 fps will certainly cause comparable trauma to a 30sc...and do it alot cheaper!!

  • @johnsnyder5470
    @johnsnyder5470 8 місяців тому +2

    Thanks for another great video. I won't be trading in my 9mm handguns for the new 30. I will be surprised if the 30 survives for very long.🤨

    • @michaelbooher339
      @michaelbooher339 8 місяців тому

      Seems like an answer to a problem that didn’t exist.

  • @michaelnasser8697
    @michaelnasser8697 8 місяців тому +2

    For me, caliber “wars” are really meaningless. Yes, some calibers may do better, but it boils down to the following.
    Use whatever caliber you are proficient with, can accurately make hits and penetrate deep enough. The KISS principle.
    Thanks for another good video and look forward to the revolver cartridges.

  • @GLOCKCOPG23
    @GLOCKCOPG23 8 місяців тому +2

    30 SC is the perfect solution for a problem that has never existed, a round nobody asked for, and a round nobody wants. It’s a great example of marketing over practicality/performance. Simply nonsense. Suckers are born every day.

  • @johnnymccann5607
    @johnnymccann5607 8 місяців тому +1

    not interested in 30 super carry. I reload 19-20 calibers now and that's extra die,bullets

  • @Watchdog_McCoy_5.7x28
    @Watchdog_McCoy_5.7x28 6 місяців тому

    Cool cartridge but not worth investing in with 9mm being so prevelant and well established. First time gun buyers only wanting one gun for CCW may be more inclined to 30SC, but I won't jumping on the bandwagon.

  • @YellowHammer26
    @YellowHammer26 8 місяців тому

    👍👍

  • @everettyost8639
    @everettyost8639 2 місяці тому

    Don’t forget 45 Colt

  • @ethancuny3913
    @ethancuny3913 12 днів тому

    I like

  • @davidno1minton997
    @davidno1minton997 7 місяців тому +1

    It,is,a,8mm,magnum

  • @autumnfragrance6326
    @autumnfragrance6326 8 місяців тому +5

    Horrible marketing on the part of Federal. The 30 Super Carry should have been a long overdue update of the 32 ACP which was developed by John Browning in 1899. It should have also competed with 380ACP. It will not be successful as a replacement for service cartridges like 9x19, 357 Sig, 40SW or 45ACP. The cartridge should have been called 32 Super Auto and it should have been loaded to energy levels equivalent to 380ACP ... ~ 220 ft-lbs. Alot of people would have liked a new "old school" 32 pocket pistol with 380ACP power. Competing with 9mm Luger was a mistake, especially with the new high capacity compacts like the Hellcat, P365 and Shield+. Federal made the same mistake with 327 Federal competing with 357 Magnum.

    • @briannorris8116
      @briannorris8116 8 місяців тому +1

      My 30sc is a shield plus I have arthritis and am happy with it

    • @autumnfragrance6326
      @autumnfragrance6326 8 місяців тому +1

      @@briannorris8116 I'm happy for you, but 30 SC was barely mentioned at Shot Show 2024. That means it's a dying cartridge that never lived.

    • @MegaAppleshit
      @MegaAppleshit 7 місяців тому

      Exactly! Hopefully when they eventually make a super duper .25 caliber handgun cartridge it'll be more akin to what the 30SC should have been.

    • @autumnfragrance6326
      @autumnfragrance6326 7 місяців тому +1

      @@MegaAppleshit The 25ACP and 32ACP are semi rimmed, so they also work well with revolvers. Both of these cartridges should be modernized with an energy boost... but not so hot that they don't work well in pocket pistols.

  • @dwheeler016
    @dwheeler016 8 місяців тому +12

    Unless the "Big G" make a pistol for this cartridge, I think it will go the way of the Dodo bird.

    • @HalfCrazy520
      @HalfCrazy520 8 місяців тому +4

      .30 Super Carry... answering a question no one was asking.

    • @FlapjackKalanchoe
      @FlapjackKalanchoe 8 місяців тому +4

      And even then, Glock pushed the 45 gap and that round is donezo.

    • @PassivePortfolios
      @PassivePortfolios 8 місяців тому +2

      Doesn't matter, the 45 GAP and 357 Sig failed despite the "Big G". The 30 SC is finished, done, over with. No reason why anyone would get this over the 9 mm.

    • @ESMaddock
      @ESMaddock 8 місяців тому +1

      That hasn't been the case for 5.7x28 mm. That also took a while to catch on. The 30 SC is to 5.7x28 mm what 300 BLK is to the 5.56. Better out of a short barrel.

    • @PassivePortfolios
      @PassivePortfolios 8 місяців тому +3

      @@ESMaddock the 30 SC is competing with the 9 mm so no contest. It is a dismal failure.