I know this was from "10 months ago" but what you covered in this video doesn't change. I have a 2021 LC with a 2" OME lift and 285/65 18 KO2s on it. (Previously had a 2016 with the same setup.) But having a good truck does not make you a good driver. Watching what you were able to drive over and how you did it was awesome. We are returning to Colorado (after spending the last 5 years in the PNW) and along with trips to UT and AZ expect to do many more drives similar (maybe just a bit easier) than what you just drove. I will probably drive this a few more times to see what lines you took. And since this is the first time I have seen one of your videos I now know I have more to look forward to! In fact, I see you have one on a simple overland build of this truck. That is where I am heading next.
I love your channel. Each video of rig prep and trip prep always makes it all seem very approachable but also informative which is unlike some channels where it all seems like an unattainable dream with a ton of flashy parts. THANK YOU! You both are an inspiration.
Love the looks from stock. I have 08 LC200 and has basic mods to it like 2"suspension, roof rack, wheels and tire. It has 210,000 miles on it and still love how it drives. Golden goose is perfect name for your LC200.
Yes, we totally enjoy thoughtful, objective evaluation as you move through the modification process. Your perspective on Toyota four wheel drive vehicles is well informed. Your observations are offered from a context of growing experience.
Thanks for posting this video. I’ve done many a trail like this in my ‘94 4Runner (5 spd), which I’ve owned for the last 12 years. After much searching, I recently went all in on a ‘13 LC, as I needed a bigger platform to tow a “new to me” sailboat (1986 Jeanneau). I picked the LC over a truck because it could tow but also had the off-road prowess I was familiar with due to the shorter wheelbase (and also fit in my garage). Still, I was concerned about losing my off-road intuition with the bigger, automatic platform. I’m happy to say I feel right at home in the LC on the mild trails I’ve driven so far. Watching you tackle the technical in GG is further reassurance in the 200 series. Once I get a good feel for my vehicle, I’ll be right back to my old trail favorites in the Owyhees and beyond. Happy trails, and looking forward to more from you both and GG!
I live in Tucson and have hiked the Charouleau Gap trail numerous times. The trail is actually in Saddlebrooke. No shame in having to turn around with your vehicle. I have been passed by numerous Polaris RZRs and have talked to the drivers about getting over that shute, they tell me to just pick a line, and stay with it- ha. It is a beautiful hike, especially as it is one place where you can find running water, most of the year, in our area. True story. One day we were returning to the parking lot, and heard a commotion coming off the trail. We turned around, and three trucks were coming back from hunting. One of the trucks was hauling a trailer (not camper) behind it. Not sure how they got that thing up, and back, but they did.
Impressive climb on the granite. - minimal ATRAC bouncing - well controlled! The lower backend of the bumper is so chubby on these 200s but the departure angle kept it from hitting the dirt. You’re making we want a 200 again!
Cheers, it's a learning process to "talk" to ATRAC and see how it reacts with the new diameter tires. Tempted to trim bumpers, but I think we'll put it through some more mapping work and see how bad we keep hitting. Fun trucks!
Great video guys, selfishly, I am so glad you all moved into a 200 series! Lots of helpful tips in that video and it's cool to see you all posting in the 200 series forum on mud!
We live just a few miles from there. Never tried to do it in my F250 4x4.... But, I hear it's lots of fun! We used to jeep with a friend from Oracle. We'd go all over the Catalina Mountains. Eat hot dogs over a fire. Have a beer. Then, head back down. It was a great time!
Always fun to ride along with you guys. This is more similar to my ride, LR3, so it was fun to see how you enjoyed it. Always look forward to more. Thanks.
I have a 2020 with a 2" OME lift, 285/75/17's on 17x8.5 0mm offset wheels and I trimmed mine almost identical to how you did yours. I love seeing y'all in a 200, I hope this one gets to stick around for a while as it really is a Swiss Army Knife vehicle. Looking forward to seeing the rest of the build and what comes next.
Hi, congratulations on the video, it's amazing how well it behaves. I have a question, the toyota 200 has air suspension of origin? I would like to put that size of tyres on my 200 but I have doubts if it will be possible with the original suspension. Thanks
Right on! You have a special motor though, eh!? I got to drive one that was in the US for a bit and loved it! I do love this petrol beast as well here in the land of cheap fuel.
First time I’ve liked the look of rock warriors on a 200. VERY interested to see which direction you go for sliders and skids. I’m on the low weight/low height program with my 200 but it always feels like gambling without a little armor.
I love that you took the faux bead locks to save weight while I’m considering taking my instant pot and my blender (not to mention more kitchen stuff than most people own) 😂 You two are true pros.
Ha! Hey, I reserve the right to make no sense when I decide to carry something like 10 times the amount of tools i actually need cancelling out any gains whatsoever. LOL!
We have Sonora Gold LC200 rocker panel covers on our Satin Cashmere Metallic LX570. Beige brothers unite! Congrats on your 200, looking forward to seeing where you take it. Small lift and tires look perfect, we run 285/75R17 on DakarZeros and found that size great across both off and on-road. We found using ECT and S5 (sometimes S4) trans settings usually performs better with this tire size than just leaving trans in D, especially if towing or weighed down.
👊 Such a great size tire. I've been playing with the ECT button a bit more and seeing when it goes into Torque Converter lockup when cruising. Such capable trucks.
Great video! Learning a lot from watching you guys wheel. Around the 10min mark you were demonstrating wheel spin when articulating. I've done similar before, but got "stuck" because regardless of right foot input, it wouldn't budge from the wheel spin while articulating. Come across that?
Thanks Ted. I haven't so far. With the center locked in low range etc? I've been able to slowly increase throttle input more and more and eventually it gets the power it needs to crawl up and over something. So far. We have another video that is basically all of the Atrac outtakes that would have made this video even longer.
Pretty impressive guys👍 It's been a blast watching you guys tackle adventures in all your different rigs but I do have to say that Golden Goose, if it is to be, harkens back to a somewhat simpler adventure platform that originally attracted me to watching. But don't get me wrong, Dusty was Amazing and OG Goose might still be my fave.
Goose will always be the king to me. Over a decade of abuse and he just never let us down. Thanks Sean, we're really loving the simplicity and relatively light and quick feel of this rig.
So RSCA stands for Roll Sensing Curtain Airbag. It turns off the roll sensor for the side impact airbags so they don't go Chevy on you. It doesn't affect the trac or ATRAC, FYI.
@@SaltySunriseSailing This series is giving me issues because I've resisted considering a 200 series as a replacement for an 80. Given how old the 80 is and what kinds of issues Im running into I've certainly considered it. Now I think maybe its not a terrible idea.
@@PatrickRich my only concern is how it will handle the daily mapping stuff. That always seems to find issues, but if it holds strong I think it could be the perfect replacement for most exploring duties. Especially as they leave the pricing stratosphere.
No worries, it's a great question. We saw a couple that were in poor condition and I think that had us nervous and leaning towards the 200. Like I've said before, I think we could have been just as happy with an LX.
We're really impressed so far. The big test in my eye will be how it holds up to the constant offroading of the mapping work. A few months of 10 hours a day and we get no issues as I expect it to and I'll have no worries about this platform.
I wouldn't bother. If it's eating at you then go for it, but the differences are so mild. For us traveling in foreign countries I do like having a few less electronic motors and gizmo's, but all of these 200 based trucks have a lot of electronics and expensive things to go wrong. I'd maybe make the 100 a wheeler and keep the 08 nice.
Our first gen Tundra had a really touchy throttle and you really had to brave that foot to be smooth off road. Our Tacoma is much better in that respect. We would not try the chute in our home on wheels! I am just a little disappointed the Golden Goose is not going to be Blanche Devaroux, but I can live with that. Lol!
We didn't film much of the install, but the parts we used were all Dobinsons. The IMS shocks with C59-535 rear springs and C59-542 front springs. We then installed the Total Chaos upper arm to correct castor and gain some wheel travel. www.chaosfab.com/product/2008-2021-Toyota-Land-Cruiser-200-Series-Upper-Control-Arms
Love the color. Great overall look with the body color and dark tint. I have an “old man gold” LX470. Wouldn’t have been my first choice, but after owning it now one of my favorite colors.
See I feel like Landrover already solved all of that 20 years ago on the Land Rover Discovery 2. The ace system had the hydraulic pump that would stiffen the sway bars when the accelerometer sensed movement not body roll which would be too late. But in low range it automatically shut that off and the movable part of the sway bar hydraulic ram portion would become free and allow those solid front and rear axles to articulate like crazy for stock vehicle I mean those things would fall so far and go so high into the fenders and then get back on the road super super enhanced stiffness around corners. I don't get why they keep trying to change everything and make everything are or independent. There's videos of Discovery to doing a slalom with Mercedes and BMW ifs vehicles and with a tripod mounted surveying camera it showed a dead-on image of the Disco not leaning nearly as much as those ifs other luxury vehicles but then off-road we all know how the discovery 2' off-road so it's kind of annoying to see where Land Rover went. It's like this because you can change things be really have to? I guess with the Range Rover but the poor Defender I mean it just says Defender but it's a Range Rover underneath. The Grenadier is awesome but too bad it's not mass-produced and something where you could get parts and actually not worry about owning. I don't own a Jeep Rubicon but gosh the Simplicity of sway bar disconnects front rear lockers and Brake actuator traction control. It's like how can you beat it? Especially Land Rover being a four-by-four only heritage and then acting the way they do now it's so strange. A lot DieHard off-roaders in Britain and Australia are turning to Jeep now. I haven't yet just because everyone and their brother has one on the trail. I like the idea of what Toyota has done there but still I feel like everyone over complicates everything. I think one of the best examples of where they could have stopped and just increased luxury or body style but not constantly changed and already great thing is the Range Rover P38 with air suspension but still solid axles and a similar system that would provide articulation and stiff on the road but it didn't stiffen up off-road when you didn't want it to it knew what low-range was and it did the opposite plain and simple. In my profile I'm on one of the big step-ups heading down my first time there I was so low and it rained the day before so it was kind of sketchy. I don't have lockers but I have phenomenal traction control and Center diff lock. For a 22 year old vehicle that Discovery has something pretty neat where I can lock it into any gear I want in low range. So if I want to be in anything from 1st to 4th locked in to a dead stop from a takeoff as a torque reduction. So I normally just climb everything in second gear or take off locked in 3rd gear. Only low range of course. Most of the off-roading is second and third I never use first it's just too low LOL the old-school Hill descent control actually works good it'll get me down to about 3 mph I don't trust it but it's fun to play with. Not sure if you guys have been up there in a while but rice Peak is a little more gnarly than before towards the top. Instead of just loose gravel some of it is washing away revealing some pretty tall Little Rock step-ups on the already 28 degree angle. Good Times!
Either in a comment or another video could you speak on how a LSD would perform in off road situations? I recently acquired a first generation Tundra that came with a factory rear LSD. I haven’t had a chance to get it on any trails. I’m curious how it would perform on elephant tracks. It has no traction control, which as you say, has its pros and cons. Great content, lots of useful bits of information in this one. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
An LSD will try to resist the wheel in the air spinning freely. It uses clutch plates to limit the different tires speeds as compared to an open diff that would allow differentiation in an almost unlimited way. (If you've seen someone lift a tire and then it immediately spins wildly while the one on the ground does nothing). The LSD will work better when it's newer and like anything will wear with time. It's a balance a manufacturer wants to help you offroad when a tire is in the air or one is on a loose traction surface, but not be so stiff that it will chirp tires or cause a LOSS of traction on pavement when turning like a locker would (If you've ever seen a truck bounce and chirp tires around a tight corner it probably has a detroit locker or similar. In the rain these can be fun, or scary) I'd consider it a nice step up from an open diff. Next up would be auto lockers that engage when one tire spins faster than another under power and really lock the wheels together momentarily and then the electronic systems like ATRAC and the king in my eyes will always be a selectable locker that truly locks the two sides together allowing no differentiation in the differential.
We need to hit the road and start working for the Gvt as YT doesn't pay the bills, but if I were you I'd look up some local wheeling clubs or even chose a forum for your brand/model truck and there's always someone wanting to go out wheeling locally.
Factory psi is for the oem tires that I think are P rated tires. LT (Light Truck) tires recommend higher pressure. For our size I see 37-45 as the correct street pressure. I tend to go by feel and I run a chalk line over the tires tread to make sure the center tread isn't bulging and wearing weird. As long as it's wearing flat I enjoy getting a wee bit better mpg. As soon as we're on dirt for multiple days I find a psi like about 28 and tend to leave it unless I need more grip or flotation.
45-48 is extreme for these E rated tires, 285/75/17 BFG K02. using a tire pressure calculator, using the OEM tire size and PSI rec, it would suggest a 285/75/R17 E rated tire should be run at 35PSI. RUnning that high, so hard on the back!@@SaltySunriseSailing
I find that some tire shops as well as the tire sticker on the vehicle ( in this case it would list a smaller tires air pressure at max GVW ) tend to play on the mind and cause one to think one requires that 50+ pounds for example in the case of this tire shop. I am only guessing you your current weight with you both in it, is that about 6500 lb or less ?. I looked up what I think is the tire size you are running ( BFG AT 34x 10.5 x 17 ) and using a comprehensive tire inflation guide that toyo has, based on that size tire it says at 35 psi it can carry 2100 pounds per tire, at 30 psi it can carry 1865 pounds. If I am correct at all in my uneducated guessing !, I personally would run 35 psi as my maximum knowing there is a good allowance for a few pounds less and all that based on highway speeds, off road of course is a whole other matter based on the pain in the butt factor to air back up and as you proved on this type of trail it did remarkably well at that air pressure ... a world of difference from Tonto kicking you both in the butt constantly 😀. Of course I realize both of you already know this and more as to what I just said but just bugs me about the tire shop giving such poor advice for the customer that assumed they are being told good advice by the experts.
I know what you mean. I feel like most tire shop "kids" just leave the tire at whatever PSI the machine used to seat the bead and send folks on their way. I didn't even make it home in Goose one time before a little "tumor" air bubble developed on a brand new set of tires that they left at 65psi. At least they got me a new tire right away... 35-37 felt really good on the road. I need to do a chalk line to see at what point we start running on the crown of the tire and aren't using the full tread width. For mileage, which I agree is hilarious to try for on this truck, I like being about 43-45psi. It is noticeably easier to keep rolling at that cruising 65mph where we get the best mileage with the torque converter in lockup. I like that at about 30 psi I'd feel confident doing days or weeks of exploring in a place like baja as well as doing any road driving we happen to do. Speeds are so low there you can get away with keeping one psi as a "do it all" instead of constantly airing up and down.
@@SaltySunriseSailing Shop "kids", I laughed as this has become a bit of a running joke at one of the tire stores in town as yes he typically has the best prices in town and sells one pile of tires but literally some of the employees there are children or certainly look like it, I was shocked the last time I was there as two of them did look like they got off the junior high school bus at the wrong stop 😅. My brother has had problems with weirdly loosening wheel nuts that were torqued and repeatedly going back to seal up leaking tire beads the last couple of years and yes they do use a torque wrench but I have a theory as to why the lug nuts are loosening. At least they haven't sent out vehicles I've brought there with insane inflation pressures. The higher inflation no doubt benefits rolling resistance but if over done comes at the expense of wearing out the crown and that doesn't pay well either. I agree exactly with the 30 psi slower driving scenario on over sized tires where its still safe from over flexing but still gives a reasonable semi off road performance when one is hopping on and off of the pavement exploring. I do however have some good tips on how to get the best fuel mileage though Tim, always pull out your trusty maps and choose the down hill route as well as the routes with the tail wind ( and Mexican overdrive down mountain grades if your feeling brave 😆 ).
@@charlesb4267 please forward world atlas with wind direction and downhill only routes. My gas card begs this of you!! 🤣 Yah, the kid that put about 20 to many ugga duggas on our lug nuts in England looked like he was in middle school. I guess that means we're OLD! 👴🤣
@@SaltySunriseSailing Only if you trade in your wonderful Landcruiser for a Tesla, then I will give you a prepaid gas card 😃. I didn't realize it was a "Tire Kid" in England, I suppose the chimney sweep business isn't busy enough so Tiny Tim had to look elsewhere for work. Neither of you are old, far far from rocking chair age to say the least.
I know this was from "10 months ago" but what you covered in this video doesn't change. I have a 2021 LC with a 2" OME lift and 285/65 18 KO2s on it. (Previously had a 2016 with the same setup.) But having a good truck does not make you a good driver. Watching what you were able to drive over and how you did it was awesome. We are returning to Colorado (after spending the last 5 years in the PNW) and along with trips to UT and AZ expect to do many more drives similar (maybe just a bit easier) than what you just drove. I will probably drive this a few more times to see what lines you took. And since this is the first time I have seen one of your videos I now know I have more to look forward to! In fact, I see you have one on a simple overland build of this truck. That is where I am heading next.
Awesome! Driving skill is the biggest asset! Skills > gear.
I love your channel. Each video of rig prep and trip prep always makes it all seem very approachable but also informative which is unlike some channels where it all seems like an unattainable dream with a ton of flashy parts. THANK YOU! You both are an inspiration.
We appreciate that! Cheers
Love the looks from stock.
I have 08 LC200 and has basic mods to it like 2"suspension, roof rack, wheels and tire. It has 210,000 miles on it and still love how it drives. Golden goose is perfect name for your LC200.
Yes, we totally enjoy thoughtful, objective evaluation as you move through the modification process. Your perspective on Toyota four wheel drive vehicles is well informed. Your observations are offered from a context of growing experience.
Cheers!👊
Golden Goose, dare I say GG, really is looking good. It's amazing how a few simple and functional additions tranform the look of a vehicle.
Thanks for posting this video. I’ve done many a trail like this in my ‘94 4Runner (5 spd), which I’ve owned for the last 12 years. After much searching, I recently went all in on a ‘13 LC, as I needed a bigger platform to tow a “new to me” sailboat (1986 Jeanneau). I picked the LC over a truck because it could tow but also had the off-road prowess I was familiar with due to the shorter wheelbase (and also fit in my garage). Still, I was concerned about losing my off-road intuition with the bigger, automatic platform. I’m happy to say I feel right at home in the LC on the mild trails I’ve driven so far. Watching you tackle the technical in GG is further reassurance in the 200 series. Once I get a good feel for my vehicle, I’ll be right back to my old trail favorites in the Owyhees and beyond. Happy trails, and looking forward to more from you both and GG!
We've really taken to the big beast and we're enjoying having IFS for the higher speed Mexico tracks. Cheers and enjoy that Jeanneau!
I live in Tucson and have hiked the Charouleau Gap trail numerous times. The trail is actually in Saddlebrooke. No shame in having to turn around with your vehicle. I have been passed by numerous Polaris RZRs and have talked to the drivers about getting over that shute, they tell me to just pick a line, and stay with it- ha. It is a beautiful hike, especially as it is one place where you can find running water, most of the year, in our area. True story. One day we were returning to the parking lot, and heard a commotion coming off the trail. We turned around, and three trucks were coming back from hunting. One of the trucks was hauling a trailer (not camper) behind it. Not sure how they got that thing up, and back, but they did.
Haha that is impressive.
Impressive climb on the granite. - minimal ATRAC bouncing - well controlled!
The lower backend of the bumper is so chubby on these 200s but the departure angle kept it from hitting the dirt.
You’re making we want a 200 again!
Cheers, it's a learning process to "talk" to ATRAC and see how it reacts with the new diameter tires. Tempted to trim bumpers, but I think we'll put it through some more mapping work and see how bad we keep hitting. Fun trucks!
Love the "sleeper" look also. Thanks for the drive through the desert. These type of videos make me miss the four corner states so much.
Thanks, we're really happy to be home for a bit before we hit the road again.
Fun video. Was short on time but stayed for the entirety.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching!
Awesome Guy! Glad to see you guy decide to go with 200LC…. We love our 80 Poptop!
80's will always be king! Enjoy!
Great video guys, selfishly, I am so glad you all moved into a 200 series! Lots of helpful tips in that video and it's cool to see you all posting in the 200 series forum on mud!
Thanks! We're loving the truck and it's really fun to get to learn a new platform!
We live just a few miles from there. Never tried to do it in my F250 4x4.... But, I hear it's lots of fun! We used to jeep with a friend from Oracle. We'd go all over the Catalina Mountains. Eat hot dogs over a fire. Have a beer. Then, head back down. It was a great time!
Sounds great! Such a beautiful area.
Always fun to ride along with you guys. This is more similar to my ride, LR3, so it was fun to see how you enjoyed it. Always look forward to more. Thanks.
LR3's have such a killer system too. So impressive what they can do in the right hands.
Great video! Caught it right after you put it up. Truck seems to suit you guys well. You can tell that you are enjoying and are impressed with it!
Thanks buddy 👍.
I have a 2020 with a 2" OME lift, 285/75/17's on 17x8.5 0mm offset wheels and I trimmed mine almost identical to how you did yours. I love seeing y'all in a 200, I hope this one gets to stick around for a while as it really is a Swiss Army Knife vehicle. Looking forward to seeing the rest of the build and what comes next.
We're loving this plus sized beast! 😂
I really like what you have done with this truck! Classy. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks 👍
Hi, congratulations on the video, it's amazing how well it behaves.
I have a question, the toyota 200 has air suspension of origin?
I would like to put that size of tyres on my 200 but I have doubts if it will be possible with the original suspension.
Thanks
Great video. Now having the same truck as you, I learn even more from you videos. 😊
Right on! You have a special motor though, eh!? I got to drive one that was in the US for a bit and loved it! I do love this petrol beast as well here in the land of cheap fuel.
Would love an update on the golden goose and how that build is working out. Did you add an aux fuel tank, skids, bigger tires (trimming)?
Here is an update we filmed not too long ago. ua-cam.com/video/M-p4uG5cDQI/v-deo.html
Impressive performance, and a nice long episode
Cheers Nick!
First time I’ve liked the look of rock warriors on a 200. VERY interested to see which direction you go for sliders and skids. I’m on the low weight/low height program with my 200 but it always feels like gambling without a little armor.
I love that you took the faux bead locks to save weight while I’m considering taking my instant pot and my blender (not to mention more kitchen stuff than most people own) 😂 You two are true pros.
Ha! Hey, I reserve the right to make no sense when I decide to carry something like 10 times the amount of tools i actually need cancelling out any gains whatsoever. LOL!
We have Sonora Gold LC200 rocker panel covers on our Satin Cashmere Metallic LX570. Beige brothers unite! Congrats on your 200, looking forward to seeing where you take it. Small lift and tires look perfect, we run 285/75R17 on DakarZeros and found that size great across both off and on-road. We found using ECT and S5 (sometimes S4) trans settings usually performs better with this tire size than just leaving trans in D, especially if towing or weighed down.
👊 Such a great size tire. I've been playing with the ECT button a bit more and seeing when it goes into Torque Converter lockup when cruising. Such capable trucks.
Great video! Learning a lot from watching you guys wheel. Around the 10min mark you were demonstrating wheel spin when articulating. I've done similar before, but got "stuck" because regardless of right foot input, it wouldn't budge from the wheel spin while articulating. Come across that?
Thanks Ted. I haven't so far. With the center locked in low range etc? I've been able to slowly increase throttle input more and more and eventually it gets the power it needs to crawl up and over something. So far. We have another video that is basically all of the Atrac outtakes that would have made this video even longer.
Hope u can drive the shoot next time love it
Enjoyed the video, thank you. I have a question, what tires did you go with?
We went with BFG KO2 in 285/75r17
Is there an alternate way up when you get to the chute? We are doing this in the sidexsides in 2 weeks and curious. Thank you
Yes Robin,
Just before the shoot take a hard left and you will go up past the chute on a relatively easy track. Enjoy!
Great dialogue throughout. Lots of little takeaways.
Cheers!
It's been a minute, do you still have the 80?
No, Goose has a new home.
Looks like fun👍🍻
It was a good time after all the work!
You need to use the “Crawl Control”. It’s fun and impressive.
Crawl control is fun, but its min speed is way too fast for some things.
Pretty impressive guys👍 It's been a blast watching you guys tackle adventures in all your different rigs but I do have to say that Golden Goose, if it is to be, harkens back to a somewhat simpler adventure platform that originally attracted me to watching. But don't get me wrong, Dusty was Amazing and OG Goose might still be my fave.
Goose will always be the king to me. Over a decade of abuse and he just never let us down. Thanks Sean, we're really loving the simplicity and relatively light and quick feel of this rig.
How is Goosebumps for a name :) what is your tyre size again?
LOL! 285/75r17
So RSCA stands for Roll Sensing Curtain Airbag. It turns off the roll sensor for the side impact airbags so they don't go Chevy on you. It doesn't affect the trac or ATRAC, FYI.
Thanks buddy. Glad I was turning it off. 💣💥
@@SaltySunriseSailing This series is giving me issues because I've resisted considering a 200 series as a replacement for an 80. Given how old the 80 is and what kinds of issues Im running into I've certainly considered it. Now I think maybe its not a terrible idea.
@@PatrickRich my only concern is how it will handle the daily mapping stuff. That always seems to find issues, but if it holds strong I think it could be the perfect replacement for most exploring duties. Especially as they leave the pricing stratosphere.
I’d never attempt anything like that in my 100 …I’d probably be still stuck up there on a rock. Take care from The UK
Cheers Kieron!
Nice video! Curious, did you consider a LX570? Seems they are lower cost/miles vs the Land Cruiser, and you get a few more creature comforts.
Nevermind, so your other comment about this down below.
No worries, it's a great question. We saw a couple that were in poor condition and I think that had us nervous and leaning towards the 200. Like I've said before, I think we could have been just as happy with an LX.
Having a '14 twin (color too) was very interested in both your opinions of the 200 series
We're really impressed so far. The big test in my eye will be how it holds up to the constant offroading of the mapping work. A few months of 10 hours a day and we get no issues as I expect it to and I'll have no worries about this platform.
Loving the content.. looking at an 08 Lexus LX. Wondering if I should just pony up a few k more for the land cruiser badge?
I have a 100 that my wife and I do week mountain trips in.
I wouldn't bother. If it's eating at you then go for it, but the differences are so mild. For us traveling in foreign countries I do like having a few less electronic motors and gizmo's, but all of these 200 based trucks have a lot of electronics and expensive things to go wrong.
I'd maybe make the 100 a wheeler and keep the 08 nice.
Our first gen Tundra had a really touchy throttle and you really had to brave that foot to be smooth off road. Our Tacoma is much better in that respect. We would not try the chute in our home on wheels! I am just a little disappointed the Golden Goose is not going to be Blanche Devaroux, but I can live with that. Lol!
When I really need the Golden Goose to make it through an obstacle I'll whisper "Come on Blanche, you can do this!"
@@SaltySunriseSailing 🤣🤣🤣
Is there a video covering what lift you put on?
We didn't film much of the install, but the parts we used were all Dobinsons. The IMS shocks with C59-535 rear springs and C59-542 front springs. We then installed the Total Chaos upper arm to correct castor and gain some wheel travel. www.chaosfab.com/product/2008-2021-Toyota-Land-Cruiser-200-Series-Upper-Control-Arms
Oh thank you for the reply :-) this video was great! It's so cool to see these 200s off-road!
looks good
Thanks John!
The Golden Goose is one sexy beast
Did you powder coat or paint the rock warriors?
We used Hyperdip in the Brass Monkey color. Looks great and easy to touch up, but we'll see how it holds up to driving in sand all day.
Love the color. Great overall look with the body color and dark tint. I have an “old man gold” LX470. Wouldn’t have been my first choice, but after owning it now one of my favorite colors.
See I feel like Landrover already solved all of that 20 years ago on the Land Rover Discovery 2. The ace system had the hydraulic pump that would stiffen the sway bars when the accelerometer sensed movement not body roll which would be too late. But in low range it automatically shut that off and the movable part of the sway bar hydraulic ram portion would become free and allow those solid front and rear axles to articulate like crazy for stock vehicle I mean those things would fall so far and go so high into the fenders and then get back on the road super super enhanced stiffness around corners. I don't get why they keep trying to change everything and make everything are or independent. There's videos of Discovery to doing a slalom with Mercedes and BMW ifs vehicles and with a tripod mounted surveying camera it showed a dead-on image of the Disco not leaning nearly as much as those ifs other luxury vehicles but then off-road we all know how the discovery 2' off-road so it's kind of annoying to see where Land Rover went. It's like this because you can change things be really have to? I guess with the Range Rover but the poor Defender I mean it just says Defender but it's a Range Rover underneath. The Grenadier is awesome but too bad it's not mass-produced and something where you could get parts and actually not worry about owning. I don't own a Jeep Rubicon but gosh the Simplicity of sway bar disconnects front rear lockers and Brake actuator traction control. It's like how can you beat it? Especially Land Rover being a four-by-four only heritage and then acting the way they do now it's so strange. A lot DieHard off-roaders in Britain and Australia are turning to Jeep now. I haven't yet just because everyone and their brother has one on the trail. I like the idea of what Toyota has done there but still I feel like everyone over complicates everything. I think one of the best examples of where they could have stopped and just increased luxury or body style but not constantly changed and already great thing is the Range Rover P38 with air suspension but still solid axles and a similar system that would provide articulation and stiff on the road but it didn't stiffen up off-road when you didn't want it to it knew what low-range was and it did the opposite plain and simple. In my profile I'm on one of the big step-ups heading down my first time there I was so low and it rained the day before so it was kind of sketchy. I don't have lockers but I have phenomenal traction control and Center diff lock. For a 22 year old vehicle that Discovery has something pretty neat where I can lock it into any gear I want in low range. So if I want to be in anything from 1st to 4th locked in to a dead stop from a takeoff as a torque reduction. So I normally just climb everything in second gear or take off locked in 3rd gear. Only low range of course. Most of the off-roading is second and third I never use first it's just too low LOL the old-school Hill descent control actually works good it'll get me down to about 3 mph I don't trust it but it's fun to play with. Not sure if you guys have been up there in a while but rice Peak is a little more gnarly than before towards the top. Instead of just loose gravel some of it is washing away revealing some pretty tall Little Rock step-ups on the already 28 degree angle. Good Times!
Either in a comment or another video could you speak on how a LSD would perform in off road situations? I recently acquired a first generation Tundra that came with a factory rear LSD. I haven’t had a chance to get it on any trails. I’m curious how it would perform on elephant tracks. It has no traction control, which as you say, has its pros and cons. Great content, lots of useful bits of information in this one. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
An LSD will try to resist the wheel in the air spinning freely. It uses clutch plates to limit the different tires speeds as compared to an open diff that would allow differentiation in an almost unlimited way. (If you've seen someone lift a tire and then it immediately spins wildly while the one on the ground does nothing). The LSD will work better when it's newer and like anything will wear with time. It's a balance a manufacturer wants to help you offroad when a tire is in the air or one is on a loose traction surface, but not be so stiff that it will chirp tires or cause a LOSS of traction on pavement when turning like a locker would (If you've ever seen a truck bounce and chirp tires around a tight corner it probably has a detroit locker or similar. In the rain these can be fun, or scary)
I'd consider it a nice step up from an open diff. Next up would be auto lockers that engage when one tire spins faster than another under power and really lock the wheels together momentarily and then the electronic systems like ATRAC and the king in my eyes will always be a selectable locker that truly locks the two sides together allowing no differentiation in the differential.
Thanks for the detailed response and good explanation of the various differential options. I agree, lockers are the pinnacle!
I’ve been wanting to try that trail, as I’m based out of Tucson, but I’ve very little experience, and I don’t really want to go alone
We need to hit the road and start working for the Gvt as YT doesn't pay the bills, but if I were you I'd look up some local wheeling clubs or even chose a forum for your brand/model truck and there's always someone wanting to go out wheeling locally.
Yo homies! Check out some khumo roadventure MTs next time- I swear to God they're smoother onroad than a AT and DOMINATE off! Pro tip.
We'll check em out!
RSCA is roll sensing curtain airbags
Glad I shut it off. 🤣
..got the tyre size Tim
Why run such high pressure on the street? Isn’t factory psi like 33?
Factory psi is for the oem tires that I think are P rated tires. LT (Light Truck) tires recommend higher pressure. For our size I see 37-45 as the correct street pressure. I tend to go by feel and I run a chalk line over the tires tread to make sure the center tread isn't bulging and wearing weird. As long as it's wearing flat I enjoy getting a wee bit better mpg. As soon as we're on dirt for multiple days I find a psi like about 28 and tend to leave it unless I need more grip or flotation.
45-48 is extreme for these E rated tires, 285/75/17 BFG K02. using a tire pressure calculator, using the OEM tire size and PSI rec, it would suggest a 285/75/R17 E rated tire should be run at 35PSI. RUnning that high, so hard on the back!@@SaltySunriseSailing
Have the tire diameter programed. Will help the TCS.
I wish you could on these
@@SaltySunriseSailing Could have sworn there was a guy who was programming the ABS on those but I can't find it now :/
@@DriftaholiC I'll do some more googling. If you find that I'd love to do it.
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I find that some tire shops as well as the tire sticker on the vehicle ( in this case it would list a smaller tires air pressure at max GVW ) tend to play on the mind and cause one to think one requires that 50+ pounds for example in the case of this tire shop. I am only guessing you your current weight with you both in it, is that about 6500 lb or less ?. I looked up what I think is the tire size you are running ( BFG AT 34x 10.5 x 17 ) and using a comprehensive tire inflation guide that toyo has, based on that size tire it says at 35 psi it can carry 2100 pounds per tire, at 30 psi it can carry 1865 pounds. If I am correct at all in my uneducated guessing !, I personally would run 35 psi as my maximum knowing there is a good allowance for a few pounds less and all that based on highway speeds, off road of course is a whole other matter based on the pain in the butt factor to air back up and as you proved on this type of trail it did remarkably well at that air pressure ... a world of difference from Tonto kicking you both in the butt constantly 😀. Of course I realize both of you already know this and more as to what I just said but just bugs me about the tire shop giving such poor advice for the customer that assumed they are being told good advice by the experts.
I know what you mean. I feel like most tire shop "kids" just leave the tire at whatever PSI the machine used to seat the bead and send folks on their way. I didn't even make it home in Goose one time before a little "tumor" air bubble developed on a brand new set of tires that they left at 65psi. At least they got me a new tire right away...
35-37 felt really good on the road. I need to do a chalk line to see at what point we start running on the crown of the tire and aren't using the full tread width. For mileage, which I agree is hilarious to try for on this truck, I like being about 43-45psi. It is noticeably easier to keep rolling at that cruising 65mph where we get the best mileage with the torque converter in lockup.
I like that at about 30 psi I'd feel confident doing days or weeks of exploring in a place like baja as well as doing any road driving we happen to do. Speeds are so low there you can get away with keeping one psi as a "do it all" instead of constantly airing up and down.
@@SaltySunriseSailing Shop "kids", I laughed as this has become a bit of a running joke at one of the tire stores in town as yes he typically has the best prices in town and sells one pile of tires but literally some of the employees there are children or certainly look like it, I was shocked the last time I was there as two of them did look like they got off the junior high school bus at the wrong stop 😅. My brother has had problems with weirdly loosening wheel nuts that were torqued and repeatedly going back to seal up leaking tire beads the last couple of years and yes they do use a torque wrench but I have a theory as to why the lug nuts are loosening. At least they haven't sent out vehicles I've brought there with insane inflation pressures. The higher inflation no doubt benefits rolling resistance but if over done comes at the expense of wearing out the crown and that doesn't pay well either. I agree exactly with the 30 psi slower driving scenario on over sized tires where its still safe from over flexing but still gives a reasonable semi off road performance when one is hopping on and off of the pavement exploring. I do however have some good tips on how to get the best fuel mileage though Tim, always pull out your trusty maps and choose the down hill route as well as the routes with the tail wind ( and Mexican overdrive down mountain grades if your feeling brave 😆 ).
@@charlesb4267 please forward world atlas with wind direction and downhill only routes. My gas card begs this of you!! 🤣
Yah, the kid that put about 20 to many ugga duggas on our lug nuts in England looked like he was in middle school. I guess that means we're OLD! 👴🤣
@@SaltySunriseSailing Only if you trade in your wonderful Landcruiser for a Tesla, then I will give you a prepaid gas card 😃. I didn't realize it was a "Tire Kid" in England, I suppose the chimney sweep business isn't busy enough so Tiny Tim had to look elsewhere for work. Neither of you are old, far far from rocking chair age to say the least.
Nice to have a V8.
Haven't had a truck with a V8 since a Jeep Grand Cherokee a million years ago. I forgot how much fun they are!
Name the 200 "Blonde" The ugly calls Clint Eastwood blonde...
I like it! Now I have to rewatch that!