17hmr vs 22mag - CLAY BLOCKS!!!
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- Опубліковано 31 лип 2024
- 22mag or 17hmr - which is your favorite???
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17 HMR for crows and rabbits out to 150 yards. Foxes head shot only out to 75yards. 22 WMR for crows and rabbits out to 125 yards and head shot only foxes to 100 yards. The 22 WMR hits with more effect as it has a higher impact number of bullet weight multiplied by bullet impact energy than the 17 HMR at all ranges. I would like to see you measure the enclosed volume that each bullet makes when hitting a clay block. You would need a bigger or deeper clay block to capture the 22 WMR bullet according to the results from this video. I know that the bullets with more momentum disrupt more tissue than bullets with lower momentum, but it would be nice to "quantify" the results to discover how much better these high moments bullets behave. Bigger animals generally require higher momentum to kill them quickly therefore humanely.
Nice video. I think keeping it simple teaches us more as we are not overwhelmed with too many details.
Ohhhh, GREAT topic/timing!
When I 'Retired' my EDC, Ruger P85 (9mm for those who don't know), for the Ruger 57, ALL my neighbors thought I'd lost my mind. "THAT teensy-tiny little caliber, vs your 9mm?!" was their common retort.
Then I showed them via every target-of-opportunity we could obtain (And the refrigerators with their assorted fruits/veggies AND meat (ty Mr. Harrell for that one!), suffered dearly!), up to real gelatin blocks, just how well the 5.7 performs.
Got ahold of their Ruger LC Carbine, next, and that's even bettah!
You gotta respect weight + velocity!
(I'm eyeing a 17HMR for our various ground/tree varmints, next!)
Thanks for taking the time (And investing all that time/money/energy) in making and sharing your videos!
There's no replacement for displacement. Love the 22mag, own 6 of em.
Getting ready to purchasing my 1st .22 mag. Looking at a Ruger All American with a Cerakote finish. And 2nd choice would be Savage 92FV with similar Cerakote finish. Reviews I've come across make the Ruger seem promising. I've always been a small caliber guy but in rimfire, the energy @100 yrds is what im most concerned about, and most will group sub 1.25"@100.
A person that has owned 6 .22wmr, im curious of thoughts of .22mag vs .17hmr on coyotes, whistle pigs, and HYPOTHETICALLY speaking, a deers head.
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YEP - GOT 3 OF THEM -- GOT TIRED OF THE ARMADILLOS RUNNING OFF -- BUDDY USES THE 17 BUT ONLY THE FMJ OR THE OTHER 20 GRAINER & HAS KILLED A COUPLE OF 65 LB HOGS WITH IT -- THE 17 GRAINERS ARENT GOT FOR ANYTHING BIGGER THAN A RABBIT -- THE 22 MAG WITH 40 SOLIDS IS A STONE KILLER
I like the 22 hornet still king of 22s hower I would like to have a barrel made for 17 hornet.
Both were pretty impressive at 100 yards.
17 doing exactly what it's designed for. Both great rounds.
Suggestion, different weights in the same calibre
I believe 17 hmr is only available in 17 grains, unfortunately.
My mistake, upon further research I have found they do in fact offer two other weight options. 15 and 20.
Watched a lot of vids comparing these 2 so I knew the .22 would have more power but it seems overall due to bullet design the .17hmr is a bit more accurate . I prefer .22mag overall because you can also run it in a pistol.
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They make plenty 17hmr revolvers and Franklin armory makes ar in 17hmr.
They also have 17 hmr pistols aswell… revolver type is the only kind I have seen so far
Ohhhh man I love these 2 rounds 🤙🏽 can’t wait
Nice that you’re doing extended ranges for these tests
The 22WMR has more overall versatility. The 17HMR is more specialized for gophers, prairie dogs, and such. The 17 is safer where ricochet hazard might be a problem around livestock, homes, etc. Enjoyed the vid, thanks for sharing!
Great vid thank you, I had a 17hmr made by Savage bull barrel,at100yd you could cut holes all day,but it is limited ,thoes both are great rounds I like both of them 1:26
Here in NH it`s .17HMR for coyotes. I love my Tikka in .17!
@@barackmycat9448 - May I ask, to what max distance are you shooting? I only ask as, for me, humanely, 75 yds is about it with 20g jhp's. Cheers...
@@irishkelly654Hi: I don`t hunt myself but 75 yds is a long shot here in my book. Most are inside of 50 but I can`t speak for everyone.
@@barackmycat9448 - As I said 75 yards is about max for me, on Coyote. Considering the HMR hits as hard at 100 yards, as a .22LR does at muzzle. Approx. 130 FT/LBS. More than enough to take a coyote down. The HMR is so accurate, it makes the task much more easy to accomplish. I shoot gophers (Richardson ground squirrels), no problem at 100 yards, so a head shot on a Coyote is even easier, just saying.
Big fan of the 22 WMR. Mostly shot in convertible Ruger Single six revolvers and very recently got a Bear Creek Arsenal 22 Mag, 20" AR upper. A nice amount of punch for anchoring little critters.
The 17 is cool that it gives up it's energy completely in small critters- pink mist....
I really like this post. I hav 2:21 e to say that I chose the 22wmr over the 17hmr. When I purchased my way into the 22wmr I chose the Rossi semiautomatic long barrel rifle. I have to say this is a great rifle very accurate and reliable. Just wanted to share this with you all. Oh yeah, I chose the Spear gold dot hollow point for my preferred choice for this peice. I can use it in my sa revolver and rifle as well.
I've never been able to get a through-shot on groundhogs with the 17, but the fragmentation does the job very well.
We hit the big ground hogs (not the young ones) with regular .22's and not the mags and they went through.
First time I ever used a mouth blown predator call, brought in a red fox. Fox was facing me @ 20yds when that 40gr hollow point struck his throat & turned him a complete flip! Also took 2 coyotes with 22mag.
Okay, but why a fox?
Thanks for the comparisons. I appreciate that. I been teetering towards the mag. My pistol shoots the 35 gr vmax 22 mag quite well. 7 inch barrel. Great accuracy at 50 yards. A friend of mine switch from a 223 to 17hmr for groundhogs. Personally I wish the ammo God's would make some 17wsm. I'd prefer the 20gr bullet. I liked the 17 Rem I had with 30gr Bergers. Bottom line, going with the 22 mag and one those Anschutz.
The gods have granted your wish. L o l they do make a seventeen supermag. I bought a box for my savage thinking It was the same old17 hmr .Hornady I believe. But it was developed by winchester.
You need to try the 20gr Game Point by CCI in 17HMR vs a 40gr Hollow Point in 22WMR, they will be the most similar in terms of terminal performance they're both designed to expand and penetrate where as most 17s are designed to go pop!
Agreed. The wmr hits harder (obviously) but the hmr is more accurate (obviously). They each have their own attributes, for sure. That's why you need both, LOL.
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Well they both performed as designed, the 22WMR uses a heavier bullet construction and is probably the perfect 100 yard Coyote rifle and the 17HMR is designed to take the heads off small critters like Rabbits, Squirrels and Prairie Dogs.
But both are deadly 😮
Agreed, HMR to maybe 75 yards for coyotes (20g jhp's). HMRs are lasers, WMRs are bulldozers, LOL.
Be a good video even though my mind is made up, i have hit small game with a 22mag myself and seen a friend hit the same game with his HMR and the 22mag is more effective. The 17hmr is not as forgiving but still does the job, in the end each to thier own.
“Every day at the range is a good day” - truer words were never spoken! Nice video.👍🏼
As far as a favorite I'd have to pick the 1 I own.. I bet you've already done a video on the different damage done to the clay blocks from the 17 hmr but you've peaked my interest because not only does it matter how accurate but it also matters as to how well the perform once they reach their target.
I don't think I have any of the Remington stuff I'll have to look and then it not see if I can find some
Love your videos man
Appreciate you watching
@@WHOTEEWHO you make great videos
I take the .22mag any day twice on Sunday
Iam impressed with both.
Velocity VS energy .
It's all about choosing the right tool for the job.
The fact that the 17HMR did NOT exit the clay made me stop and think for a minute... I have an abundance of coyotes in my area, they were really cuttin' up tonight, so I wonder what your opinion might be about using the 17 HMR for coyotes and minimizing any collateral damage to any of my farm critters... Thanks
The 17 hmr fragments when it hits the target. So most likely to not harm any farm animal
17hmr with a 17gr bullet will not kill deer or coyote.... 17 hmr with a 20gr. Xtp hornady will kill ... But not like a 22mag... with a Browning or Winchester bullet
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Shot placement.
Definitely an awesome video great job on comparison. I’ve been wanting a 22 mag and that sealed the deal thanks.
Awesome comparison!
I wonder if the 22mag would have done better/worse as the normal 40 grain weight. 17hmr is more a surgical round vs. 22mag more destructive. Got any CCI TNT varieties?
Perfect demonstration of the difference between momentum and energy!!! The .22 mag has the former the .17 has the latter!!!
22 wmr has more energy AND more momentum
@@user-ds9eq8zx2n with what load??? I was referring to the ones in the video.
@@danielcurtis1434 How about the ones on this video?
17hmr: 288 flb / M= .92
22wmr: 337 flb / M= 1.52
Sweet comparison!! Love those clay block videos!! 💥💥💥💥
Cloudy days are actually the best days for the chronograph, because the light is diffused and even. Just don't put the sky screens on it when it's cloudy.
Did you have to special order the CZ 457? I'd love to get one, but their website doesn't list any dealers in the US.
Always cool when you shoot the clay blocks! Thanks for another great video!
I want both! Fortunately we don't have to choose. : ) 22WMR has an advantage being chambered in a lot more types of firearms.
Both did nice. Small game destroyers for sure. That 17 was blazing.
.22 for punch for punch and 17 for speed. I like speed. Nice quick comparison. Cheers.
Good demo again. Thank you Sir. Either or but liking the 22 mag a bit better.
I’ve always been a .22 mag guy. My friend opted for the .17. Your video proves once again that I am the smarter friend! 😂
Depends what you're trying to do.
Power wise sure but accuracy to the 17
Hello Mr. WHO_TEE_WHO another excellent video showing the difference in energy transfer down range. I tend to agree, close up hunting (inside 100 yards) either cartridge should perform about the same, in as much delivering a one shot kill. However, I believe that at 100yds + that .17HMR may give you a bit more accuracy on small game. That's due to it's lower BC and higher muzzle velocity. I always enjoy your videos keep it them coming please.
I have a .22WMR, so not getting the 17HMR. If I were starting anew, ammo availability and cost were be deciders, as well as ease of maintenence. That tiny barrel needs some special equipment, so 22 WMR would still my likely pick.
Would think the 17 has a drop edge in the prairie dog town over the 22, but neither is a great wind bucker.
The 17 has a much flatter trajectory. Squirrels hate it.
The 17 is a little flatter but by the time it matters, both are about done.
@@gregwhite6334 Squirrels hated Remington Yellow Jackets. Several fell beyond 75 yards where they thought they were safe.
Always been a fan of the .22 mag until ammo became hard to find. My old gun is stupid accurate with the Winchester fmj and hp. Finally broke down and got a .17 it doesn't matter what ammo i feed it! The 20 grain groups just a little lower.
Starting to warm up to it.
Kel-Tec have stated that a 40 grain .22 WMR round should reach a velocity of 1230 fps from the 4.3″ barrel of their PMR-30 pistol. This works out to 134.40 ft/lbs of energy.
This is a significantly less than the FN Five-seveN USG (4.75″ barrel), which can push a 40 grain bullet at 2009 fps. This works out to 358.57 ft/lbs! Nearly three times as powerful as the .22 WMR.
This does not mean that the .22 WMR is not a good cartridge. It simply means that the 5.7mm is optimized to be fired from a pistol, rather than the slower burning .22 WMR loads which are designed to be fired from a rifle.
Cool shoot and thanks !
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Nice video the 17 could be good at pelt talking because only one hole and massive international damage.
The seventeen h. m. r are zippy little buggers. Definitely one of my favorites. Interesting fact the twenty two magnum It's the smallest cartridge that you can take a white tail with in the state of Maine by law.. Isn't that crazy!
Might be nice to see the 22LR compared to these, hollow point and solid.
22LR is not even the same league
I owned both a .22 Mag and a .17HMR at the same time. Both Marlin's. I WANTED so badly to love the 17. But test after test in my own back yard....... and hunt after hunt, the ol .22MAG just kept kicking its brass 😄
In the end, the .17HMR eventually found itself a new home.
Another GREAT vid bro!
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Both are impressive for rim fire, but if I had to pick one, I would go with the .22mag.
I don't think the 22 magnum cartridge is correct. PR22M1's have a ballistic tip, not a hollow point.
I like the clay blocks. 🙂🙂🙂
Good video. Depending what I want to hunt. Probably the 22 mag. Over the 17. 👍
Since I don't own a 17HMR I pick the 22WMR as my favorite LOL. I do own a 17WSM and it is a great round. Would like to see you compare the 17WSM and the 17HMR on clay targets. I think I asked that some time ago but you didn't have a 17WSM. Thank you for these vids!
Great comparison. I'm 22 wmr over 17 hmr. The wife is opposing it. She just likes the style of riffle better than the old wood stock. Lol.
Like to see what the Hornaday 30 gr ballistic tip 22 mag would do. Grew up on 22 mag works on everything up to deer
It would be sweet to see ballistic gel behind the clay or at least a water jug to catch a bullet.
I love the 22 mag alot better than the 17 because if the 17 hits a twig or anything it bust and u are not going to hit your target thanks and love your shows and im from wilkesboro NC my name is Dennis Church
These two calibres have people divided on which is better, personally I prefer the .22mag
Thanks for doing this test at distance.
Would like to see you do the. 17wsm v. 17hmr on the clay blocks
very worthwhile but
since they didnt splatter
the blocks just use HALF whats
left to make smaller blocks
to show what itll do to
a squirrel rather
than rabbit
22 WMR is the bomb! Thanks for your vids!
I like the magnums... Be they 22, 357, or 44...
22 h r is still superior to the .17 but there fun the consistency of the 17 is probably better
Great comparison, and now that we know that the 22 magnum will penetrate deeper, I knew it would, and I regret ever selling my 22mag, how’s about you do the same with the 22, but/and you put a couple water/milk jugs behind the clay to catch the boolot.
Thanks for another great video Adam
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I like the catch idea.
I wonder if 17 WSM would explode the block of clay?
I would bet on absolutely it would
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I have both, love them both, had 22mag 15 years longer so it's been around and done way more. I will die with it.
Excellent video WTW! I think the .17 is just too small vs the .22 mag. BTW, what is that holster that you're wearing in the video?
Craft holsters
The CZ Rifle is awesome! I am sure that contributes to it’s power!
22mag hands down
22 win mag for the win for sure… awesome penetration.
I enjoy your vids and liked this comparison. I would enjoy seeing the same, but including the 5mm Remington Magnum rimfire. I have been shooting one for years and in my opinion and experience, the 5mm far exceeds the ability of the 17 and 22 WMR. I look forward to the video! Keep up the great work!
Does anyone produce 5mm ammunition still?
Thanks WTW. It’s the 22mag for me. Both did an awesome job on the clay.
I'm an old guy, and I just naturally dance with what brung me to the party , and I've been dancing with the 22 mag for a long time. Nothing wrong with the 17 but it's not mine
Never cared much for these “one vs the other” videos. I think they’re BOTH GREAT, and serve their own specific purpose. Thumbs 👍🏻 just the same.
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Well damn, you just cost me several hundred dollars. Had to buy me a .22 mag to add to my collection. Great video!😊
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I have a marlin 22 mag with a very heavy barrel in stainless i bought for $210 back in 92. It has taken literally thousands of varmmit including jack rabbits fox coyotes pigs raccoon and exotics in west Texas. Has an old style red field tv view 3x9 scope that hasn’t been touched in 30 years. If i had only one gun to choose from out of my 35 or so guns this 22mag would be my choice. Been through everything and has never failed once or ever been knocked of sight. One heck of a good gun and a blast to shoot !
I have a cz457 in 22lr, running a Athlon scope and timney trigger. It will ragged hole at 50 yards with SK ammo. Went down the rabbit hole due to the Pursuit of Accuracy channel. Since my back yard range is only 50, its a great set up.
I far prefer the WMR. What to do with the HMR?
Cool video. I'm a 22 mag fan and I think it's the clear winner of this match. The 17 hmr had a good showing though.
Depending on what you are wanting out of any bullet you are firing. Look at this, the 17hmr used 100% of it energy in that block. Sometimes that’s what you want.
Anyone else think it would be a great video if there was a pound of Tannerite hidden in a random clay block?
Boom
Always love 22 - anything. Ingrained from my childhood. Lol
As a man who owns multiple .22s .22l .22lr and .17hmr.
The .22mag wins in knockdown power within 100 yards.
I have both, but I think I like the 22WMR more so than the 17HMR. I guess it is because I like the large calibure rounds, lol. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for another cool video. If you ever run across a 17 wsm you should grab it Fastest and most powerful rimfire made.
Great video. Thanks.
Thanks for watching
Tanks for the comparison
My favorite!!! Clay Blocks!!!
22 mag for coyotes, 17 hmr for squirrels, and both for a fun day plinking with the family. Each cartridges have a valid purpose but both are just a lot fun.
17hmr for me, whatever additional energy it carries, the 17 will make up for in accuracy.
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Thats crazy power from such a small round
I’ve had them Both n gave my 17HMR TO MY SON, I’ll stick with my 22Mag everyday for what I use mine for !! Great Video WTW !! 👏👏
I think it’s a conspiracy lol
I was surprised by the results seeing the HR17 was so much faster .
Thanks for comparing comparable ammo on this video! 22 rem mag is still king! Imo.
I chose 22WMR precisely because of this!
.17 HMR= 100% energy dump on a small target❤
Love Both Rounds
People say speed kills. HMR is much faster than WRM, but grain weight has to count for something. Oops it it did.
I like them both. I'm curious to see what the 17 wsm would do compared to the 22 mag
That was definitely a win for the .22 mag in my book. The entire .22 block was pushed outward compared to the .17 block. It looked like the internal cavity was larger overall with the .22 as well, but may have just been camera angle.
22 magnum has to much energy versus the 17 hmr, 22 mag wins
Dam, .22 mag, but .17 is great also!!! GREAT VIDEO!!!
That was a great video. Could you try the 22 mag vs the 17 wsm? I'd love to see the difference before I buy one. Thanks
I like both i lean more towards 17hmr