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The funny thing is China is actually just doing it's own thing and the US gets all hyped up for a race.
Because US has to be No1.
@@vincentdesun, but they already no 1 about 50 years ago.
It is more likely that they are hyping it as a race to get more funding.
No, China is actually gearing up rapidly to be the first nation to send people to the moon and establish a permanent base on lunar south side. Because :
1. China is determined that the first ever non white person landing on the moon will be chinese.
2. Lunar south side is the KEY point for sustaining a permanent base there on the moon. Any other base established on any part other than the south part will be dependent on the south part for resources. Why? Because only the south side has WATER!
If China can get there first on the south and claim it as its own, other nations will be totally dependent on China.
Precisely
@@vincentdesunthey can be the forever #1 with the help from Hollywood😂
US land on the moon: exploration. China land on the moon: expansion LOL
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@@user-ug4yr8er9g We China are just a developing country. Modesty makes people progress
@@user-uw1wn5yh1h Developing countries who struggle to healthily feed their people and provide ANY kind of adequate services, dont usually have Space Programs. Lotta CCP on this channel.
US land on the moon: coca-cola advertisement
The US did not land of the moon it was all Hollywood production.
Because China submitted many applications in the 20th century to join the International Space Station for international space station cooperation, but after being rejected many times, China prepared to build its own space station. It’s not that China wants to work alone, but that previous applications have been rejected and it’s forced.
They would just want to participate in order to learn and copy
Considering dashed lines and how they fish, do other countries trust the CCP China?
@@greggweber9967 considering US pulling out strings from their intelligence agencies wreaking havoc on many countries, not to mention their unjustified war to stole resources, do other countries trust the american-first-always USA?
@@greggweber9967 the dash lines were agree upon by the allies in WWII, China claim is not new. it is Philippines that is contesting territory assign to China, not the other way around. you can't write a new law and pretend the previous agreement is null and void. this just set a dangerous path of revisionism.
Chinese equipment are onboard ISS. regardless of what US want, they can't stop ESA from using Chinese equipment. the European are not American puppet.
China: here's our plan for the next 5, 10 and 20 years.
US: I smell a race!
US will just have to cheat and fake another Moon landing like in 1969
This channel is pushing that, there is no talk in general about a race we won 55 years ago
@@gups4963 If China will have a "first" on the moon: First Chinese restaurant.
There is an old saying in China that macho men don't mention how powerful they were.@@gups4963
@@gups4963 I do not believe USA landed human on the moon. If that is true, why then not a 2nd landing and a 3rd landing?
As a Chinese living in China, i think the biggest advantage we have, is that our government can actually planned out what they gonna do next 10 or 20 yrs, And the thing they say they gonna do, exactly 10 yrs from now, the will done it.
China has a lot of people, a lot of engineers, access to plenty of resources (+Russia), a supportive government, of course China's space program will expand fast.
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China can't access resources.
A space program is normally the top secret of any nation.
If anyone can share, it will be outdated tech.
Your government is actually your biggest weakness. China will not be a dictatorship forever. People will speak out loud and things will change, just like everywhere else.
U.S. takes 10 years and still can't even decide what to do.
@@davidbosak7503ex.. ca "high speed rail" lol 2 decades and nothing to show for it.. it took over 20 years to add 1 extra lane on the 5fwy for like 4 miles near knotts berry farm..
Winning is not the goal of China. China, in the past 20 year, kept his own pace and dedication. It is a continuous devotion in space.
The PRC, to its credit doesn't plan on "winning" any so-called "space race" (which doesn't exist), just significantly contributing to planetary sci. knowledge and benefiting from a lunar presence.
benefiting from a lunar presence sounds like a race
@@miquelmarti6537 It would be confined to advantages in scientific research, telecom, maybe lithium harvesting, maybe spying. Only the US or Russia, if it had the money, would consider putting a warhead on the moon... not that that would even make sense stratwgically.
The Chinese are just pushing forward the work step by step according to the timetable that has been published in the public newspapers and media. If the company can persist in paying dividends on time and in full for decades, this small joy will accompany it for a lifetime.
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It's not a race when you splayed out to everyone , EACH STEPS n plan on a wall. Decades ago..
Outsiders were laughing, because of the unsophisticated presentation.
Well they ain't laughing now, when realizing the Chinese checked every BOX on time within budget with NO real incident or death like the old days.
It's the west the ones RACING to catchup now. Even resorted to playing dirty.. to slow the Chinese.
It is the USA that views the world as one big competition. China has a plan and they usually stick to it and it's a Chinese audience that they care about not the USA
As a European, I don't really care who will be there first or who will do this or that first, I love seeing it done in general. So as long as the "new space race" will, again, result in international cooperation in the end, I'm fine with China winning.
Trust me China isn't going to be doing any cooperation with the west lol
No, China is actually gearing up rapidly to be the first nation to send people to the moon and establish a permanent base on lunar south side. Because :
1. China is determined that the first ever non white person landing on the moon will be chinese.
2. Lunar south side is the KEY point for sustaining a permanent base there on the moon. Any other base established on any part other than the south part will be dependent on the south part for resources. Why? Because only the south side has WATER!
If China can get there first on the south and claim it as its own, other nations will be totally dependent on China.
In fact, Europeans can only sit quietly as spectators, and maybe there are some trophies in the past. Looking at the number of young people on the team, it's easy to imagine what the next 20 years will be like.
Because you are moochers
China has willing to cooperate with all countries, but some countries, especially US, don't want but suppress.
I think space exploration is less like a race and more like a seasonal championship sport. Russia was the champion for a while, then the US, and eventually China may have its time at the top. Really we're all the same terrestrial species, and the whole species wins when somebody crosses a new milestone.
humanity will have a new definition when we met other space civilizations
TLDR at bottom
Based on individual achievements Russia did space better, in the end the US only got further in this unfortunate pissing contest.
1st animal, satellite, man, woman, station, tourist in space
1st probes/crafts on the moon, Mars, Venus (this one also the 1st to transmit data back)
1st animals to return safe and alive
1st remote controlled rover, the moon
1st spacewalk
In my opinion they also have a better space shuttle, which of course because the US fails NASA and many scientific advancement initiatives was the only way for astronauts to get to/from for about a decade.
By no means am I supporting communism but without the SU's sacrifices, trial and error etc. that I'm sure the US spied on to learn as much as they could well before the collapse and official collaboration leading to the ISS, we wouldn't be where we are.
To put it another way and TLDR, Russians were the true space trailblazers and did space better.
@@jayboyd9812 the us got to the moon first so that means they win
(history isn’t written by those who are right but by those who are left)
"Really we're all the same terrestrial species, and the whole species wins when somebody crosses a new milestone."
Do you really believe that China would work to benefit the rest of the world?
The problem for the US as I see it is the aversion to failure. SpaceX has turned this thinking on it's head. If SpaceX isn't allowed to execute their test launch cadence (while not endangering people) China will pass us.
@@geosynchronous4386 we would’ve landed on the moon in the 1700s lol
I wanna go to the moon, the gravity here on earth hurts my back.
aww 😂
True
Mars might be a better deal. Energy/fuel wise not much more needed, as I'm sure you know once you escape Earth's gravity you basically coast.
It's more gravity but you have some semblance of an atmosphere and just a few degrees of rise in temperature will bring it above the Armstrong limit eliminating the need for pressure suits.
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does gravity get you down . 🙄
"Imagine if we had called the Navy Water Force"
Imagine if we had called the Air Force Air Force..... oh wait
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Imagine we had called the Air Force Aerial Force
Imagine we called Air Force ,sky force
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lol, in chinese, navy literally translate to sea force, army the land force, air force the air force, we don't create new words to over complicate things
@@miquelmarti6537 us has had aerial guard presidents haven't they
"imagine if we called the navy water force"
Wait until you hear about the Air Force
One country in history referred to their naval forces as an Armada! That did not work out too well either!! LOL ;D
@@ronschlorff7089Spanish Armada across the English Channel...
Yes, and mister wind did not like them much!! LOL@@LittleWhole
I know, can you imagine if we had named our new air combat arm the "Air Force"? No one would have taken that seriously....... 🙂
Exactly 🤜🤛👍 No one absolutely no one would have taken that seriously… would have been corny jokes left and right like this guy was spouting 😂…. Great comment my friend 👍
Ikr? What’s wrong with Space Force, makes perfect sense.
I'm even down with Sea Force instead of Navy
The name should have obviously been "The United States Galactic Navy".
Yeah, but Space Force sounds so goofy, like a cartoon...which is so weird becaise its an organization charged with the defilememt od Space.
I've enjoyed many of your videos but never commented - so, THANKS! Yet I have to add, I was pleased to see you make that "freedom" reference at the end of this video. BRAVO!
I am Cantonese, I want to ask: Americans are assuming that Chinese people can't see these videos, right?
We are not assuming that
It is obvious that such videos are produced for an American audience. In Russia, entire campaigns do this for budget funds, in order to increase the prestige of the country. That's why they are so naive and unscientific
from Beijing with pura 70😊
I think the name Space Force is a great name
Same
Yeah, "Starfleet" would have been too silly.
The thing is that once Starship can actually launch, land, turnaround, and refuel in orbit, the game will change so drastically that nobody will talk about who first landed some robot on the south pole in 2030. Because on a single launch, Starship HLS puts 100 tons on the lunar surface and they'll be able to put another one there at more or less whatever pace they manage to construct another HLS upper stage.
Underrated comment.
Another thing he doesn't take into account is Starship doesn't need to be reusable before it can be used/useful, It's so cheap and fast to build they can use them as expendable rockets until they get the landing nailed. All they need to do is reliably get them to orbit, which shouldn't be hard for them. SpaceX was doing this with Falcon 9 a long time before the first successful landing. Another point he seems to think SpaceX is going to wait for StarShip to be reusable before they develop the HLS or refuelling, SpaceX has already started work on the HLS if a photo from NASA space flight is correct. I wouldn't be surprised if work on refuelling isn't going on as well.
For alien perspective, If America wins space race, it will be another colonization era for aliens but if china wins then all aliens will become food 😂😂
@@darkerstill55 Yeah that's true, cadence will be high even without reuse. But for lunar missions they'll need 6ish launches for refueling if they want to take 100 tons on a translunar injection, and they are gonna want to nail down reuse if they want to be able to do that in a reasonable amount of time. Would be great if that could be done with 2-3 stacks in rotation, instead of building 7 ships and boosters that get stowed away while the rest gets built.
100 percent agreed. Besides, the whole video only talks about the Moon but not a single word on Mars, where the US has been by far the most successful and SpaceX has a focus on.
NASA also needs something better than our current back and forth BLUE VS RED BS to get us through this and to remain in the forefront of space exploration.
I guess we should wake up the Whites ⬜
Yup, the "blue vs red BS" needs to be replaced by something else, like communism, right!! LOL ;D
Yes! The two-party system of always choosing the lesser of two evils has to end.
yes, perhaps; but let's see what other free governmental system has worked "well enough" for the last 247 years, then we'll check that one out and make a switch to it!
Got any "candidates" for that system, do you? If so, let's hear them!! LOL ;D@@gdutfulkbhh7537
Hopefully the RED will disintegrate; people are tired of their authoritarian tendencies.
It will be a tight race between the two giants US and China. What I hope is competition between the two superpowers can propel each other to new heights and help humanity breach new frontiers in space exploration.
Better and improved space exploration seems like a much better outcome than war.
Sadly usa is trying to weaponize everything, they never bothered doing anything with space until china came
"Propel"? Appropriate word, @umdriel; competition will provide the "engine" to reach and breach these new heights and frontiers, unless someone "throws a spanner in the works", as Neostorm is suggesting.
I hope the grim forecasts of pandemics, starvation and falling population for the 21st Century are not more potential "spanners for the throwing".
china is not a superpower
I rather like pandemics, starvation, and population declines; it shows us that Darwin is still at work weeding out the weak among us so that only the strong and "fittest" survive. It's been that way for animals for hundreds of millions or a billion years on this world. It's all natural selection, (sometimes viewed as a "spanner" for the plans of man). Yes, man plans, and God laughs! ;D LOL
Even wars are natural events since natural beings, us, participate in them. And, of course, there are winners and losers; so that is natural too. The strongest survives, the weakest perishes. And just ask the fly in the web of a spider who the winner is of that contest for survival!! "Help me! Help me! Help meeee"! Sorry I could not resist, me being an old sci fi movie fan that I am!! LOL ;D@@davidstevenson9517
I'm not sure how tight it'll be. The US government is deeply indebted while the chinese Central government is super healthy financially.
China has its own space station while the US doesn't even have its own one.
The ISS is scheduled to retire in a few years' time and it'll be interesting to see what happens after that.
I want the US to be at the forefront of the space race, but I would be lying if I said that I wasn't excited to see what China has in store. That wire rocket catching system seems quite cool.
I like it too, seems way more efficient than landing legs
Does NASA really want to "win"?
Don't hold your breath. The Chinese space program doesn't exist for the sake of innovation.
Advertising for other nations' investment; legitimacy propaganda at home.
I don't care who's first
@@icemike1 Yeah, but the real question is who's on first?
Imaging if we had called it "Air Force" looool
The US has an oligarchy and the one thing both political parties agree on is fighting more wars to try and hold on to dollar hegemony and fund the military industrial complex. It looks like the Ukraine war will be given priority to turn it into another 20 year war before any funding is given for a moon mission.
Looks like it, while China will be have a full moon base by early twenty thirties and US will be fiddling around with their rockets.
Lmao spot on
But if countries like China and Russia has dominance in the space industry, The US's objective is to go elsewhere and end the War to circulate that money into space missions.
Yes, the Viet Nam war derailed all of NASA's future space plans at the time after Apollo 17, so, all funding for nice things in space went to finish the war in the 70's. NASA did not just "drop things" as was said by the "soy boy" narrator here, they simply had their funding cut off by the U.S. Congress!! No money, no plans, so, no nothing in space!! Otherwise, we could have had this moon base long ago in the 80's, and even missions to and bases on Mars by now; but in a democracy, other priorities often rule over "nice to have" stuff like space exploration.
Also, our current "welfare state" was imagined and funded to a big extent starting in the mid-70's in the Jimmy Carter administration and continues to this day with lots of money going to dozens of federal social welfare programs, and not that much to NASA. Yet they still do great stuff in robotic probes to Mars and the outer planets and recent astronomical miracles like the JWST. : )
Ditto.
Great video, healthy competition is also a driving force for progress. Love science and love peace!
No healthy and fair competition once Uncle Sam join the chat. Anyways China will laugh last and win the whole thing no matter how many sanctions and bullies imposed by united snakes!
Let’s go China! As a Chinese, I love the fact that we’re putting up a fight and thriving. I really love the fact that they named all of the modules after Chinese Mythos, like Chang E being girl who went to the moon. Love from Malaysia. We support you!
So u Malaysia but support China?
No wonder they question you loyalty.
You chinese obviously camt be trusted you just get Malaysian citizenship out of colonizer and US should sanctions all chinese in southeast asia becuse they obviously cant be trusted at all just hiding behind other countries native citizenship and treat them as a spy.
A lot of this is sad but kinda true. We need a rule that keeps NASA funding outside of politics.
So would you have their budget at a fixed amount that couldn't be voted on by Congress? That seems like a possibly terrible idea.
@NRPBrute I think our whole system needs to be changed. We shouldn't have most of our rules in one persons hands. We, the people, should be able to vote on all of our rules and serious decisions. The president should just be there to speak for our country and for making immediate decisions.
NASA is a huge potential jobs maker for those who qualify. For example, it was a big boon to the economy of the 1960's; and people in every state in the union worked on the Apollo project, from the top scientists to guys driving forklifts around lifting heavy pieces of rocket hardware. So, it can never be divorced from politics. The key is not to waste so many funds on other useless things like the dozens of different social welfare programs in every branch of the U.S. gov't at both the federal and state level. That "money for the poor" is mostly all down the rat hole. Gifts of money do not solve poverty or addiction, people who take responsibility for their own lives does that. And thus, some are addicted and homeless today, and some are the top engineers at NASA and SpaceX, or astronauts training for the moon missions, just as one example of the choices available to most people!
@@ronschlorff7089 You sound like you know a thing or two. What do you think about what I said right before your comment? Do you think it's wrong that we are putting most of our rules and laws in the hands of our president? Shouldn't we just vote on our rules? 🤔
Various presidents have been very good for space budgets, like JFK, and very poor for space budgets, like Jimmy Carter, both of the same party, the democrats, so it is hard to know, especially now!@@rionbuss
Love seeing India getting into the mix, another dedicated partner is always welcome
Get lost. India is a competitor just like China
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mark my word if china did it ,india will do there are some example ,china nuke test 1964,india did 1974,china tried to go on mars in 2011 but failed ,india 2013 mars mission ,china ASAT 2007in space ,india did in 2019 but the they are ready for doing it in 2010 but govt did not allow ,now moon ,but the main problem for india will be money ,where as china have unlimted resources.
@@AbhishekSingh-zv2tn the 2011 mars mission was not independent but through Russia's Fobos-Grunt rockets which failed. India could not replicate China's landing on both the moon and mars all in one mission successfully on the first try and with working rovers, although it will have a chance for a first try landing on mars.
@@downtomars6268 india is democracy and ruled 800 year by muslim and British people,india is just 75 year old,when we got independence literacy rate was 10% poverty was 80% ,so india is doing good and china is 20 to 25 year ahead of india there is no doubt but india will reduce this gap in upcoming year.
These people make a contest by themselves and declare it a space race ,and think whole world is supposed to think like that.
Right, sadly though it is just this channel. It was a race 55 years ago that Russia and the U.S. beat China to accomplishing
Wish I could find the video game "Moon Base" from like 1992. it was very cool. had to provide everything for the settlers and plan for disasters. Feels like something Paul Allen would have made in private and kept away from Bill. I miss Paul.
21st century Oregon trail
So space force is a silly name but air force isn’t?
Water force sounds threatening too, if you have ever been hit flooding or tsunami.
Both seem logical and the air force was once called the air corps, but I don't like that name either, too close to the word "corpse", not good if you are "defying gravity" and all!! LOL ;D
2:15 The air force branch starts to sweats intensively*
the starship test launch was successful, it just exploded.
Just want to correct one thing that recent India lunar rollover didn't land in South pole reagent or near that area, according to top Chinese lunar project scientist ' calculation
What I don't understand is the devide created between the east and west. It shouldnt be a race. Both sides have the same goal so why not at least attempt to bridge that gap so we all reap the rewards of progress.
This is about economic competition now, obi; national goals have the priority, not bridging the East/West gaps but expanding them.
@@davidstevenson9517 yeah I get that. And the two different sides have such different ideals it can be difficult to cooperate but I still feel like conflict only slows progress and think the reasons for it are quite childish.
Fundamentally, its a system that venerates rule of law and free speech (a work in progress, granted)-versus an autocracy that eschews them.
I agree. Eventually, colonies outside of Earth will want to become independent. So, this entire fighting going on down here on Earth about space is stupid. Our descendants will want to cut the cord from us, eventually.
I think it's the Americans. They want to demonize everything Chinese. The US excluded China from the International Space Station. Every country is invited, except China. So that forced China to create it's own space program. Nothing motivates people more than being bullied. Go China Go!
Starship launch was not a failure. The purpose of the launch was manifold but primarily data collection. It met and in some cases exceeded its expectations. Starship is closer to orbit than most realize
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Indeed. If you aren't launching and learning, you are gaining..... The first Starship launch was a thing of beauty...
The only thing holding starship back is the FAA and these idiots suing them.
@@gertwolmarans6974nah faa is on spacex's side due to government pressure and the nessecaity of their hls programme to succeed
I think the biggest issue at this point for Spacex is that from Bocca Chica they are limited to 6 launches per year which isn't enough to rapidly iterate design changes enough to meet Nasa's current Artemis Deadlines. Even if they can persuade Nasa to let them use the Cape they'll need at least 6 months to get things operational.
Quite, If america are serious about getting to the moon, they'll need to reduce the red tape and allow a greater launch cadence.
at least 6 launches are required just to fill the luna starship so it can make it to the moon
I'd imagine that china does not have the same issues
Yup, even though SpaceX moves pretty quickly it takes time to get stuff "operational" for rockets, hence the saying: "It's not rocket science" since it is so difficult to get right. For example, Russia never has, to this date, as far as the moon is concerned. And long before NASA was envisioned and established in 1958 there was a period of time at White Sands, in the late 40's-50's for Americans to get things more or less predictable with rocket launches starting with old V-2's captured in WWII to their own designs like the Viking series of rockets, etc.
So, in a way Bocca Chica is a "White Sands" (proving ground) for SpaceX, and once they prove themselves, they may move up to the "big leagues" at the Cape! : )
They started at starship launch facility, gotta finalise design and test then they’ll complete
They just got that status in the last two years as it was clear they were going to attempt orbital flight. Before this they had ZERO clearance for orbital launches. The status is set to change as they become more reliable. The Cape will launch most eventually but I expect that Boca Chica number to go way up.
All we can all do, at this point, is to wish them the best of luck, and even to pray for them!!@@sammadison1172
Não é tão complicado entender porque uma das faces da lua esta presa a face da terra. A lua leva cerca de 27 dias para dar a volta na terra, e também 27 dias para dar uma volta em torno de si mesma, essa anomalia que não é por acaso acontece por conta dos polos magnéticos, então enquanto completa uma volta em torno da Terra (translação), a Lua também completa uma volta em torno de si mesma (rotação).
Thank you captain. Also you forgot to mention that’s the natural rotation of any natural solid mass, acting as a satellite.
As a rocket scientist I can tell you with complete certainty that this video is.... A bullseye. Space X super heavy is a total and complete joke with its negative 0 payload thrust to weight ratio and it's ten million points of failure, not to mention their hillairious production facilities...and don't get me started on their ridiculous OLM dumpster fire and reuseabilty prospectus cuz that will never, ever happen. SXSH will never see TLI much less deep space depository mission success or HR long range missions. SLS has way more potential for TLI and is our only hope for same once/if they get it dialed in for true MTO/MTTLO. HRM to Mars? Not in this century for any space agency. Humanity just can't survive it. Never will. It's simple physics. Do the math. Great video and about time someone had the guts to do this and publish Reality. TSR nailed it here, so take a note you Space X kool-aid drinkers. Thanks guys, great video. Keep it coming. ❤
Thank you for addressing this topic. Yes, we shouldn't underestimate the will of China to succeed in the Moon Base program. Great video content. European SpaceX enthusiast.
Yes, history shows us that, everyone thought the Russians would be first on the moon in the 1960's but you all know the rest!! And recent history shows they still can't get it right, for "the moon is a harsh mistress"!! Quotes are from an old sci fi book title! Authored by Clarke or Azimov, I think! ;D
Come here. Come to China and see first-hand how well everything works. You might then-appropriately-estimate "the will" (lol) of China.
Outstanding content!!
Space Force is not that odd of a name when "Air Force" is what they decided to name one of our major military branches, not to mention our "Coast Guard" and the "Marines". So "Space Force".
In actuality the Air Force already had a dedicated Space Camand within that branch of the military. Separating Space Camand from the AF is likely to only increase the overall military budget unnecessarily.
To add to my previous comments. There really isn't much of a difference between Western democracies and China's governing body. China is not North Korea. America for example has nearly a trillion-dollar military budget. Who decided that, and who decides what goes into space and what doesn't... Our military, not Congress, the Senate, or the president.
The only true difference between the West and China is efficiency. America claims to have a two-party system but it really isn't. Our own State Department warns us of where it is safe to travel outside its borders but not within its borders. It's all in the way you want to see what is. You can call a rose whatever you like, but in the end, it is still a rose.
Might just be Trump's attempt to keep up with the Jones - China established its "Rocket Force" from its previously named "Second Artillery" within the PLA when Xi reorganized the PLA at the end of 2015.
i never hear anyone say what it should be called.. obviously it had to be space force.. what else?
Your outline of the remaining items for SpaceX to develop and demonstrate highlights the need for SpaceX to find a non-US launch facility. Its pretty clear that the objectives of the FAA to provide safe aeronautical flight vehicles does not suit the objectives for a development of Space and launch vehicles.
That would be illegal, spacex uses tech that is illegal to export form the USA, also none of its workers could continue on the program
i hear the baikonur cosmodrome is available cheap
Space X should buy up Dynetics Corp. and launch the Alpaca lander on Starship.
Id love to see that.
But the stars chip keeps exploding? Not a good idea
@@walkingwithsandels5728 Well, not in its current prototype form, no. But it will.
Imagine if we had called our air force . . . uh, nevermind
You are right, the tanker system ist the keyhole!
But so far there are no indications for any concept: no artificial gravity needs new tanks, artifical gravity needs heavy and modified structure. Both ways have some very specific challenges. I do not see any indication that they have started with prototypes, not even which way they go. I am afraid, they adress the problems only just when they occur. SpaceX is far behind schedule.
The US is still debating how many genders and what restroom to use. They need to ensure that their lunar base is inclusive and welcoming to everyone.
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We need to come together as a unified plan and thrust into space. We are one people, children of Earth. We should be one people in space.
We worked with Russia all the way through the Cold War. Even to today.
Should be perhaps but aren't!
@@davidbosak7503 Madness reigns in Russia, science has lost priority over priests. Military personnel give lectures about patriotism at the country's universities and are appointed rectors. There is no point in counting on any success from us yet. Not in this generation for sure.
The United States doesn't agree. If someone approaches his level, he will compete and find a way to suppress other.
2030 seems like the best realizable date for the NASA Luna landing.
That would be twelve months AFTER the China/Russia landing.
That seems pretty pessimistic off the current hardware that exists
The success criteria for B7 & S24 was clearing the tower without utterly destroying it. This it did anything else way just Icing on the cake
Yes, too bad about the pad and all. The boosters were reusable, but they forgot about having a "reusable" launch pad I guess!! ;D
So, that being said, that's not a particular "cake" I would want to eat, with "icing" or without!! LOL LOL LOL :D
@@ronschlorff7089 they turned the pad around in a few months let's see how it does next time
Yes, Kudus to them for that; or, if you prefer, big African antelopes! LOL ;D@@bigianh
You forgot to mention FAA is holding Elon Musk back as if the FAA knows how to do it!
They are only a U.S. gov't agency following rules that they did not make, the Congress made them and signed them into laws, so, they, the FAA, have no real power over Musk themselves.
The only real thing "holding Musk back" is the many failures of the star ship, thus far, or RUD's as he likes to call them!! Change that "trajectory" and the FAA will come around I predict!! LOL ;D
When Musk’s people have made good all the damage done to that nature reserve, we can talk FAA.
The same person that has for 2 decades trying to develop roof tiles? Solar ones. N they are still crap n super expensive. Lol
If only the US didn't waste its resources and treasure on imperial wars...
Or paying able people not to work.
Getting a probe on the moon is one thing . Setting up and entire base is another
Right, and if China gets there first, I hope they build and open some decent all you can eat buffets. That they can do pretty well! We'll wait and see about all the other stuff they have planned!! LOL ;D
Thank you very much.
But there's one thing that's missing, Participation by e t's from other planets
But what if they have ten genders? Oh, wait a minute.....
2:19 you mean like the airforce? Space force isn't a weird name tf???
That was my first thought too. 😂
Ya this guy’s weird. Lol
air force's literal translation should be the sky force. So calling a force in the universe space force is equivalent to calling air force, sky force.
Hopefully US can station its Moon Force on the moon?
@@yaphonghor4409 we don't want to militarize space...
Starship test launch was totally successful
Get some Elon Mainoise out your mouth
But it blew up ?
14:16 the long march 9 is lego
4:51, Wrong!
North and South are at opposite ends of the Terminator (the point at which light and dark meet, more or less), you have effectively renamed the East and West hemispheres of the Moon as North and South.
Yup, space has its own rules as to "directions"!! LOL
Part of the problem is the goals keep changing, every time a new government comes in, they often scrap what the past one did.
Now you see the advantage of having a dictator government. But there are a lot of downsides as seen on China Uncensored on UA-cam.
The problem is to spend too much money on military due to corruption
Their political parties and candidates are FINANCED through 'donations'! The donors call the shots, and they tell us that the instructions of these 'donors' are the will of the people! If the 'donors' want war so they can profit from arm sales, the politicians 'create' a war! Is it any wonder that they themselves call their 'political environment' 'THE SWAMP'?
that's not really true. Trump is the one who started Artemis. Biden's administration has moved it along.
2:18 "imagine if we had called the Navy 'Water Force'" Or if there was something involving aircraft called the Air Force!! Wouldn't THAT be funny!
Ryan Macbeth has T-shirts at Bunker Branding that have the navy logo and say Department of the Boat people! Around the logo
Excellent video, very informative.
BTW, any photo about the India moon landing? I haven't seen a descent one yet.
To add a little nuance to his SpaceX diatribe in this video which is very accurate and well rounded. Everyone laughed at Elon when he said he was miking an electric sports car, then they laughed at him when he said he was making a reusable rocket that lands on a barge. So I would not put it past him to deliver amazing results even if they will most likely be late.
"Compared to the amount of money Musk's ventures have received from the government over the years, that's chump change. SpaceX alone got a whopping $2.8 billion in government contracts last year, according to The Information, and has gotten a total of $15.3 billion from the government since 2003" Daily reminder that Musk is a financial rat that doesn't know or design crap, only manages to make friends in government to privatize costs. All his ventures are highly dependent on government subsidies and public university-developed tech.
Yup, not to mention Twitter, his biggest accomplishment to date, restoring freedom of speech!! :D
I agree - never underestimate SpaceX
I suppose it seems most people rather overestimate SpaceX than underestimate it, based on the comments here! LOL ;D@@mrzoinky5999
What about Hyperloop 😂😂😂?
The SLS has already launched but the long march 9 and long mach 10 (needed for china's space program) are still in the design phase and no hardware besides engines have been built.
SLS is an expensive joke. NASA is just lucky to have Elon Musk around because these days is a big failure
The good part about China being first is it will motive Congress and the President to increase funding for the missions.
imagine if you called the air force "the air force"
SpaceX KNOWS how to get Starship up and back. What they need is to get government off their ass so they can do what they do best, rapid iteration. But government regulations do not allow for blowing stuff up while simultaneously developing it. They crashed like 20 Falcon 9 before the first one landed. They've flown ONE integrated test of Starship, and it went a hell of a lot better than many other systems first flights.
It blew up.
@@davidstevenson9517 Brilliant commentary. It was never going to survive, and they knew it.
@@LordFalconsword dude, the problem is not that the rocket blew up, the problem is that it did not blow up when commanded. A functional flight termination system is one of the most important pieces of safety equipment on a heavy rocket. FAA is up SpaceX's ass because they have publicly scoffed at the regulations one too many times, like when their static fire test threw up all that debris. Even a 10-hour student pilot knows that they have to be careful not to blow stuff around with their engines, it's absolutely ridiculous that the foremost rocket company in the world can't apply that basic level of consideration for the people living around them and the other users of the airspace.
Love your vids but I think Space X was successful if you consider what they were trying to learn from the launch. Look how quickly they have learned to improve landings and improve engine design and manufacturing. Success comes from learning.
yes, and the biggest thing they learned was to make a launch pad "reusable",.... as well as their boosters!! LOL ;D
Musk was happy as long as it didn't blow up stage 0.....
India land on the wrong moon
So long no update
Success is also contingent on extensive numbers of testings over a prolong period in order to ensure ZERO defects. However, commercial entities, unless substantially finance by the government, are investing in these space projects more for profits rather than achieving that "Great Leap for Mankind".
They didn't land on the wrong moon, the right moon landed on their craft when they weren't looking.
I've gotten used to the name Space Force now 😅.
I just hope the UK will be a competitor somewhere.
Great video!
I totally agree
Everyone keeps underestimating china and they steadily move forward...
Western is so bureaucratic !
This is why China will win the moon race
China plans up to 50 years ahead. Seems like in the U.S. we can't plan beyond the next election cycle. We can't even agree on projects like necessary infrastructure needs or high speed rail.
"Next election cycle". 801oap, you've hit upon the basic problem of multi-party democracy: government programs depend upon the swinging pendulum of fickle Public Opinion.
Two steps forward, one step back, trip up, wander off the track, slip sideways, lurch in one direction, stumble in another.
Damn those Greeks.
China's ability to plan out a complicated, long term project and hit the deadline is stunning. They do it over and over. I haven't seen such capabilities from the U.S. for a long time.
The time it takes the moon to orbit the Earth is the same as the time to rotate on itself. It wasn't really hard to explain😂
Agreed.
He was probably referring to what causes its rotation to sync with its orbit, but even that isn't too complicated
Now explain why that condition is stable in less than 30 seconds without using any calculus. Do you see why a full explanation would have been a distraction in this video?
@@tissuepaper9962 I mean yeah, but I was just joking. You still could explain it easily tho, I'm not sure but I think it's simply the fact that the side of the moon that faces us is slightly heavier (maybe?) so over billions of years it became tidally lock with Earth, they could have said: the face of the moon facing us is heavier so it's tidally locked with Earth. Maybe I'm wrong tho but it's probably the same reason why both moons of mars do the same thing and many other moons
@@tissuepaper9962 correct me if I'm wrong obviously I like to learn stuff
I can’t believe SpaceX didn’t choose to build an intermediate super launcher with the same design of the Falcon9 but with Raptors (15 of them) which would equate the lift power of a Saturn5, and then you apply the same technology that they mastered and create a massive three core rocket like the Falcon Heavy with more than 20 million pounds of thrust at end!
Starship and Falcon are 2 different rockets. The F9/FH is a dead end and has evolved as far as it can. At some point trying to save time takes too long.
If you're going to Mars, you need a different fuel, Methane makes the most sense.
OK, so call the Space Force Starfleet. I'll wait for Captain Kirk
I'm out of USA, and I will remand all of you reading this to most important quote from some American - "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither". In short terms dictatorships gives much better results, no doubts, but in long term.....
In the long term, they get assassinated by the one and only hegemonic empire with an insecurity ego as big as the moon !!!
Bye
Usa is more of a dictatorship than china
Yup, old Benny said that, about 247 years ago. Dictators of the world, we'll see you in another 247 years, ...maybe!! LOL ;D
I think you make a lot of good points about the potential for a power shift brought on by this, Chinas space program continually surpassing combined attempts by the west, etc., but personally I am still uncertain they will win the moon base race. Like you stated, space exploration is heavily tied to the politics here on earth, plus I myriad of other factors. I'm not about to go on a long political tirade, but their government has been facing a number of growing problems internally and externally.
2029 is still a decent way off and with space programs still tied to governments, any societal or otherwise developments that might hinder their efforts will always give a large aura of uncertainty & complication. We see similar problems that happened within the USSR, huge breakthroughs in space exploration followed by developing problems on earth that hindered and detracted from the space program. Know don't get me wrong, that is a two-way street and the same can be said about the US or any other government with a space program. As you have said, China has and is making breakthroughs and outpacing other nations space agencies substantially right now and it deserves much discussion. Personally though, I do not see it as a certainty, but the only thing I know for certain is that I know nothing for certain.
Apologies for the lengthy summary of my thoughts, but I am curious what anyone else has to say about this. Anyone agree with me? Disagree? I'm interested in discussion and having my thoughts challenged, at least with a calm & collected attitude.
You have good points but, by now, they're affecting more Europe and USA than China. Politics vs science and thecnology is a problem in more big scale for democratic countries than the totalitarist ones. And the space program on China isn't entire state controlled; there's a lot of private companies acting there by now. But I agree with you, nothing is for certain.
Yes, you make a lot of good points. I really can’t fundamentally disagree with anything you said. However, barring a major catastrophe in the next several years or even decades, I believe China is far more likely to reach its goals on the moon well before the USA comes even close to achieving their stated goals. The USA has been faffing about with their space program since the end of Apollo. I see the whole Space Shuttle era as a diversion and a colossal waste of time, money and potential. At its root, I believe the fundamental problem with the American space program is that it was never really seen as anything more than a Cold War propaganda campaign. If the American political leadership, which is responsible for funding NASA, had ever seen it as anything more than an ideological pissing contest, the space program would have moved along at a steady pace with clearly defined, consistent goals. Beyond Apollo’s aim of putting a man on the moon, that never happened.
Forget China.
Forget government space agencies.
SpaceX, a private company, orbited 80% of the total mass put into orbit. Other private companies from Europe or wherever will join SpaceX and dwarf the Chinese efforts, including their "private" companies (no such thing exists).
The future belongs to private enterprise. Adam Smith was right and Karl Marx was a lunatic.
No need to apologise...a well researched and presented reportage on what history has proven to be a ' paper dragon'🇨🇳👎🌎🚀✨🇺🇸
@@joseeduardobolisfortes True, video did a good job explaining how politics effect the US to our space exploration detriment. I think having more, not completely, separate private entities contribute to space exploration helps alleviate the problems of politics in the field, while also welcoming others. Both China and the USA have such entities within their nations, but I think Chinese companies still have enough control exerted on them that it can negatively affect their outcomes/efforts. Of course, I say effect, not hinder, but if a significant enough change happens in the national echelons of the government in some form, then we could see their programs hindered even if they have some leeway given for private companies.
an important point Is, that NASA totally missed to make plan for a lunar base until now . Only with a permanent lunar base , with autonomous and self-sufficient production and recycling of food and oxygen and production of fuel from water ice can make the exploration of the Moon efficient. You save a lot of payload, rocket launches and cost when there is a permanent presence on the moon with the same crew staying for a year or longer, that does not need any supply form earth,
compared to the present concept, where the crew only can stay for 3 weeks and it then takes a year before the next crew can be sent.
Lunar gateway is not of much use for a human presence. You cannot do much there, are exposed to 3 times as much cosmic radiation as on the ISS, and it takes a lot more effort to supply it with food, and water than it is for the ISS.
When the Chinese don't waste money and resources for a lunar orbital space station and build a Moon base instead, they have a big advantage. And if they are first to build a moon habitat, they can pick the best location on the south pole and occupy it for themselves.
Why is Antarctica the best place?
@@user-dk4ko8yj9u the LUNAR south pole
It's not that complicated; it's pretty simple, really. The moon spins on it's axis and orbits Earth at nearly the same rate, about 28 days. That's why we always see the same side of the moon. This kind of thing happens quite often with celestial bodies over time.
It's tidal locked. The same thing that eventually happens to all moons and all planets.
28 days is the rate of this period; this kind of thing happens quite often with female bodies over time (might be a link, that Pineal gland perhaps...).
Its because they only have one good slide to use for the moon. That whole 'phases' thing is just cardboard cutouts.
Its true that starship if fully developed can surely conquer the moon by spacex.. but if NASA and ISRo are together then we can get to moon faster..
"Conquer"? Wow! China stands accused of wanting ownership of the Moon and yet here we have someone wanting SpaceX as some Lunar Conquistador.
AD 1066 had William the Conqueror but AD 2026 has Elon the Conqueror; History repeats itself.
Holy Reincarnation!!
Bro. Stop thinking ISRO is big player already because it landed on Lunar South Pole. India has not even launched her first human space flight. Not completed a robotic return mission from the moon. ISRO has no such plans until 2030.
The reason why India became first to land on South Pole is because, South Pole was India’s priority since Chandrayaan 1. While US China etc had other priorities.
So, what about the Air Force and I've also heard of ground forces ... and tidal binding is not complicated.
its ultimately a matter of if china can keep the money flow to sustain thier rate of progress
I think you are underselling SpaceX. ILT-1 didn't make orbit, but it wasn't a disaster either. A lot was learned and interated from that Starship launch. At the very latest, I expect the HLS to be crew-rated for 2026. It could still be crew-rated in 2025, but I think both SLS/Orion and the new EVA suits will be the pacig factors, not Starship HLS. SpaceX has a proven track record of making the seemingly "impossible" possible.
It will be interesting how much China persists with space exploration as their economy crumbles.
Yes, they are having some very serious economic problems in addition to chronic flooding issues and decline in manufacturing demand.
China's MO in the last 10 years has been to find places to expand their economic activity or you wouldn't see them doing this
China's demographic crash begins to hit hard by 2032.
Economy crumbles you say? You need to do some research! They have bought up 40% of the Africa continent and aslo have Ports in many of the Western nations! They are an economy power house
Says the debt ridden money printing country😂😂😂
Spacex got the brains and the ability to pull if off
"imagine if we named the navy the water force lol"
me: "yeah or like the land force haha or the *air force* oh wait what the f-"
NASA has already given up on the Lunar Starship from SpaceX as a moon lander for the first Manned landing of the Artemis program.
No they haven't....
@@stlwrx Are you gonna make be post a link? Cause I will be happy to post a link.
Do it! Last I heard they were only threatening - displaying their fears of space x falling behind, but not pulling the trigger.
If that has changed I want to know!
@@rightsongsrighttime You heard wrong. I am THIS close to posting a link :) Last warning!
@@christopherdaffron8115The bait 😂
Umm, complicated? The moon rotates once every time around the earth which results the same side of the moon facing the earth. Not complicated. Also, Space Force sounds great. Being on the water is different that being “in” space. 😂😂😂😂
It’s called tidally locked.
The "complicated" part is explaining why that isn't merely a coincidence. What you've given here is an observation ("the moon's orbital period matches the length of its day"), not nearly an "explanation" of how that condition arose over millions of years of interactions between the Earth and the Moon. Orbital resonance is pretty complicated, try to remember a time before you knew what calculus was and you'll realize that most people won't understand it intuitively like you or I do.
How much fuel:payload do you need on a missile launched on the moon to hit any other part of the moon? Like an ICBM but for the moon gravity/radius/lack of atmosphere means it could get very fast and stay pretty low
I bet China leave behind remote missile launch site on moon that'll be what their 27 tonnes to lunar orbit is radars and moon missiles
??? Dang! Never thought of this before. Maybe you could have MORTARS! For the same general reason.
On the other hand, there's different nations active in the Antarctic, and they don't fight I think. And their supply-chains are a lot shorter than they would be ON THE MOON!
What if SpaceX IFT3 completes mission when it launches soon. Would that change the dynamic in the moon race?
space should be for colaboration not competition
Space is about exploitation: collaboration is for international cartels to expedite that exploitation.
Nationalism encourages the competition, encouraging the formation of international cartels.
@@davidstevenson9517 that certainly is an , interesting opinion (based in no fact)
its unfortunate geopolitical foes behaving so competitively in the final frontier
for our civilization to advance, we need to be 1 team
What are the suggestions for a better name of space force?
Starfleet Command! :D
Ccp will name theirs Space God :P
In a month this same guy will have a video called "This is Why the US Will Win The Space Race!"
Elon could build a Moon Dragon lander and a earth re-entry vehicle to fit in Starship payload bay, still flight test the Starship HLS at the same time.
After they explode or before?
Do you like your astronauts crispy?
Unmanned Integrated Flight Test, just like Artemis. Nice try. @@walkingwithsandels5728
oh in half the time it took SLS @@walkingwithsandels5728
Everything will be unmanned and automated Integrated Flight Test and SpaceX will do it before Artemis is ready@@walkingwithsandels5728
These multi-stages launching sequences constantly remind us how badly we need a space elevator where cargo can lift to a low-earth orbit with fraction of the current costs.
The tech to establish a Mars Colony with fusion reactors is closer to us than the material science required to build a space elevator.
If we want to build a space elevator and visit 1000 people at random, which country is most likely to be built?
i heard it was likely to be built in mexico.. @@neo_smith
I suggest you watch a Chinese science fiction movie "The Wandering Earth 2"
@@neo_smithIn Ghana, Africa, for the reason I suggest you watch a Chinese science fiction movie "The Wandering Earth 2"
I successfully avoided serving in what was then called space command. They don’t seem to have had anything to fly, so I stayed with flying fighter jets my entire career. My initial degree was in astronautical engineering, otherwise known as rocket science, from the academy. I had the choice of going for a master’s degree or to start pilot training. At that point in time, it wasn’t even close. 21 years of flying mostly front line fighters made for a very satisfying career. My understanding of the math and physics involved in space flight informed my conclusion that the US wasn’t serious about space exploration, and that working in a military that only pretended to move forward in space would have been a career with nothing but frustration to offer. I made the right choice. No regrets.
A view from a novel and important perspective! This is how it looks to me, but I'm really on the outside, with a few rare glimpses of NASA activities. They were not encouraging! Everything seemed to point to decline, decay, early retirement!
This is the first poorly written video I've seen on this channel. Everybody's entitled to make mistakes now and then, so I hope this is a one-off that won't be repeated. Honestly, it seems like someone else scripted this video and Space Race just put their name on it.
Go back to Marcus House or the Angry Astronaut.
There is little chance that China will get a base on the Moon before the West. Right now, SpaceX alone launches more mass into space than all the world put together, times four. The Falcon Heavy can lift 23.4 tons to Trans Lunar Injection. Even if Starship is a total failure, the Falcon Heavy can do the job with a couple of launches and do it considerably cheaper than the Long March 10. With the Vulcan, New Glenn and Ariane 6 coming online, there will be more than enough heavy lift capacity to get to the Moon and build a lunar base. SpaceX is clearly not writing Starship off. The next test launch should be telling. The cynicism you display reminds me of all that was said about SpaceX being able to develop a reusable rocket. They showed the doubters then and will show the doubters now. Starship will be late, but it will work. The Falcon series are there as a viable back up until Starship is operational.
Falcons are only partially reusable and even then only up to LEO.
Falcon Heavy can only launch 10 tonne max; a heavier, larger payload would mean:
(1) the fuselage would collapse under the weight and,
(2) the cargo fairing would be aerodynamically unstable.
That's why SpaceX doesn't get contracts for for BIG payloads.
And National Teams' "Blue Moon" is the backup to Starship (re: Bill Nelson, May 2023).
Does it really matters whether the West builds a Moon base before China does? Both space entities would eventually set-up their own space Moon / Mars bases in due course, each with its own respective space technologies, while having very different space objectives in the long run; one does it for huge profits while the other does it as its destiny.
@donhuang9855 Yes, it matters. China, if it gets to the moon first, will undoubtedly claim the moon as Chinese sovereign territory.
This is a giant leap forward for Earth's progression to colonizing other planets 🌎
We got a "water force" meet tommorow!
With a liquid lunch, perhaps?
I feel like there is enough Moon to go around for everyone. Just glad China wants to explore it. Still, a little friendly competition never hurt anyone.
I think China might disagree that there’s enough for everyone. If they claim the crater that has ice and not share, we’d be in a hurt.
@@rightsongsrighttime agree, ice will be like gas/oil, and we all know what happens when dictators control oil/gas on Earth.
@@rightsongsrighttime If they beat us to it they deserve it. The moon is huge. Plenty to go around.
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