I saw The Terminator 4k screening also. Here is my detailed review and comparison with the currently available blu-ray: Very much an "Uh Oh" *sigh* situation unfortunately. Me and a friend went to this specifically to check out the picture quality to see whether we will be even considering the 4k release. Long story short the blu-ray is excellent and is the best presentation. Hilariously it starts with James cameron engaging in Piranha II erasure trying to claim this as his debut feature which is funny and got a lough out of some of the audience. Then he proceeds to say that he has "cleaned-up the image", but some grain remains. The film starts to roll and it becomes clear that he is a habitual liar as the film is quite literally entirely scrubbed of grain. It creates a very strange looking pixelation effect in scenes with smoke and mist as the AI doesn't know what to do with that or how to differentiate it from the grain it has been commanded to decimate. On to the AI sharpening itself. Its around Aliens level I would say, maybe slightly worse. Unfortunatley it has basically got two modes: make everything look out-of-focus, or make everyone look like an AI deepfake (a la Alien Romulus). The worst part is that it actually works the absolute worst on Linda Hamilton who spends the entire runtime with an over-sharpened outline of a face, but with no skin or fine detail whatsoever. As for the colour grade, it is EXACTLY the same as the blu-ray. I put it on before i went and checked it after i came back. It is exactly the same. Honestly with all that I saw and all that I know about AI (I do my own work with the Upscaling i know what it looks like and how it works), my educated assessment is that this "4k master" is exactly the Aliens method again where they have taken the existing 2k blu-ray master and AI upscaled it, DNR'd it and sharpened it. It isn't horrendous, but: it has no more detail than the blu-ray, the colour grade is the same and in the same "tealify" style, things often look strange and distorted due to the AI, people often look fake, and things with fine detail like the Lieutenant's blazer suit jacket thing is entirely blurred for the entire film despite everything at the same distance being RAZOR RAZOR sharp because of the AI. Make no mistake there is no fine detail, there is more on the blu-ray, there is this AI generated illusion of sharpness but once you see it it's over. The blu-ray picture wise is a much more natural presentation of the film containing a superior look and feel. If you have the blu-ray there is basically 0 reason to upgrade unless you are desperate for the Atmos track which used the blu-rays 5.1 as a base and doesnt seem too impressive from my experience. We should be saying no to AI transfers on principle anyway, but if it looked good I would be willing to turn a slight blind eye maybe, but yet again it is another Lazy Upscale from Cameron and his "team". Sad days. Can ask any questions if you would like.
I thank you for your detailed review and it proves to me exactly what I feared before. If you want to see Terminator like it used to be with the original mono audio track then you have to go for the old formats, before the Bluray of course. For those who know this classic from the days of VHS cassettes, this is as always a slap in the face, 4K quality or not 😒
Extremely detailed and expressive account of your findings my friend. Thanks for sharing. I have no back ground whatsoever in AI upscaling so will take ur word on your specific observations. I didn’t see these issues you mention personally but that’s not to say they weren’t there. Though i do think u’ve been overly damning here, as to me at least, no real person looked ‘fake’ at any time, certainly not in the way people appear in the T2, True Lies and at times Aliens 4k blu rays. I do agree with you that the blu ray was already excellent and that if anything that makes achieving any meaningful 4k upgrade challenging when such a high and totally satisfactory standard has already been set. Again thanks for taking the time to share your very detailed input 👍😃
@horror_collector4life With all due respect, I personally think going back to a VHS or even laser disc for anything other than nostalgia is cutting ur nose off to spite ur face as far as AV quality is concerned. I do think what would be a good compromise for most and yourself would be if they just stuck the old mono track on as an option on the 4k disc. There are clearly a lot of people who want to hear terminator as it was originally released so i hope that happens for you’s 👍
Yeah I rewatched the amazing Blu Ray and during the Tech Noire nightclub scene I thought there would be no way for AI to remove the grain without removing all the detail behind the fog. It’s not too bad though, at least we do have a fantastic Blu Ray. It’s just such a shame that a great version of T2 and True Lies doesn’t really exist.
Damn. I am afraid of Mr. Camerons tendencies to change his old movies. Maybe to make them more watchable to all the tiktok digital video kiddies. I avoided Aliens and True Lies in 4K. I bought The Abyss. Regardless that there is no grain anymore but to me it seems not be a such an AI massacre. And, of course, I had to take into account that there was just a non anamorphic DVD available since more than 20 years. However. I had little hope that T1 will get kind of "gentle" treatment. But then you mentioned the evil words in your review: 2K master, AI upscale, DNR, sharpening. That are show stoppers to me. In short: AI massacre. Under supervision of the director who... I don´t know what write at this place. 🥴 Maybe have to wait untill he passed away and he can´t prevent anymore real restorations of his movies. Greetings to Mr. Lucas. Episode 4-6 are on this list as well. Will wait for reviews showing screenshot comparisons between the different medias and versions. But guess will most likely go and spend the money for something else. (And keep and praise the old Blu Ray.)
40 years? I remember watching this in the Woodford Odeon as a 15 year old with a very bored girlfriend . I remember loving it though and talking about it for days to any poor sod who’d listen. 40 years though. Good Lord.
Haha! I hope you chucked her mate? That was a red flag right there 🚩😂 But seriously, where does the time go man? Tbf, it’s so good that it doesn’t feel 40 years old watching it. Still relevant and as intense as ever. The new restoration certainly helps to breathe it new life. You forget just how menacing Arnie was as the terminator in the original. Thanks for watching mate 👍😃
@@ElectricGeek well, she chucked me, but all’s well that ends well. I got all excited a few years later for T2. Also a great movie, but then as you know, it’s been downhill ever since. Hoping the new animated Terminator is good though.
Back in 2015 they released a remastered version of The Terminator. I saw that at the cinema and I have it on Blu-Ray. While it's great to see some deleted scenes (a few minutes worth), the scene where the terminator is in their house, in the middle of the night, was much lighter than in the original movie. It was as if it got there just before dawn. That took away from the character's superior ability to see in the dark, making it less menacing, because it was more like a scene of a regular guy who had broken in. No doubt, I'll buy the UHD version. (The cinema release may be in 4K, but so-called "4K Ultra HD" discs are actually UHD, not 4K.)
It’s a film would still work in a nostalgic way watching even now on vhs. The darker, scrubby presentation would compliment it’s horror / slasher dna 👌📼
I’m relived to hear a few comments on here saying the same, validating my own thoughts 😅 lol I genuinely felt it was faultless. Glad you managed to catch it on the big screen too 😃
Now I am showing my age here I remember Paul Gambaccini's review of The Terminator on TV-AM back in the day and he hated it and only gave it 1 out of 10. I was only 15 when I first saw The Terminator at my local Cannon cinema when it was rated 18 then.
Awesome mate, every time i revisit it i’m more inclined to agree. T2 is great and a lot more polished but there is just something edgy and raw about the original. It’s tighter paced too 👌
Yeah i thought it looked incredible and that seems to be the general consensus from those of us that have seen it so fingers crossed for the 4k blu ray 🤞🏻📀
Thanks for the rundown, Mate. Sounds hopeful. I managed to see it in the cinema for the first time at Home, Manchester about 7-8 years ago. It looked great although presumably this is a different transfer? This is possibly my favourite movie of all time and I'm praying that it gets a good home release. Fingers crossed.
You’re welcome pal 😊 Yeah it wouldn’t have been the new 4K restoration you seen back then but to be fair the 30th anniversary blu ray already looks great i think. It’s probably this version that was screened then. I stuck that blu ray on last night to check it again after having seen it in the cinema and definitely felt it was a bit more noisy, perhaps darker and just generally more grubby but that’s me being ultra critical and comparing my meagre home cinema setup to an odeon luxe 😂 Please just take this video as intended, a ‘preview’ but it certainly is promising for the 4k blu ray. Thanks for your comment my friend 😃
I was sitting 2 seats to the right of you, and I nearly gave you a row for filming the opening! I thought the film did look okay, but by the end something about it was hurting my eyes.
Haha! And u would have been right to do so! Hopefully now u understand i was only trying to get a title card shot for the video (which turned out crap as the exposure setting was wrong but didn’t want to prolong using my phone!) My seat was actually right next to you but i moved one over to give u some privacy lol Re. ur eyes hurting, it might just have been due to the unnatural time we were watching from 12-2? Eyes straining maybe when should be sleeping!😴 Anyway i hope my Youtubing and popcorn munching didn’t distract you too much mate, i try to be as curteous as i can when making content out in public. Thanks for your comment mate and i’m glad u also enjoyed it 👍😃
You were not a problem at all. The two in front of me were filming the opening as well, so I just thought it was a thing with the youth! My recliner seat would not go back down so me mucking about with the controls probably annoyed you. To think that a youtube algorithm suggested I watch a video about Terminator 4k being remastered by AI- took me to a video from the guy sitting next to me shows that skynet is very very real!!
@martincraig153 The god damn algorithm is what’s gonna end us start judgment day! Lol All jokes aside tho, the storyline to the terminator franchise is closer to home than ever now. It’s cool that you found this video anyway and commented mate 😃I did think when i was in the screening that there was a small chance someone in the showing might stumble across it or follow the channel already. Just goes to show! Relieved to know i never distracted u anyway😅
I'm going tomorrow and have the same curiosities about the sound and picture. My friend in the US went to see it (Cameron was in attendance and did a Q&A afterwards) and he said it looked incredible. I read the poor T2 transfer was a total mixup though, apparently the transfer for the 3D cinema release was approved by Cameron. He wasn't happy the same translate went to home video. Not sure how true that was. Still, looking forward to seeing it tomorrow with my Dad.
Yeah i think it’s widely understood now that T2s master was prepped primarily for the 3d release but in wake of his other upscales since then… it’s understandable to think that was maybe BS. Most of his remasters / revisions look like that!? Lol I wasn’t sure how much swag he’d have over this one as the rights are with mgm / amazon, not disney. But if ur saying he was present at a Q&A screening then maybe he was involved just as much. Anyway, most importantly. I just hope u enjoy seeing it on the big screen with your dad. Good times 💙
@@ElectricGeek It was incredible. Much better than the T2 release. I saw a tiny amount of grain, it don't look waxy. The sound mix was punchier and not as OTT with some of the effects (I will still mux the mono mix on my copy). Loved it.
sounds great that there's no DNR hopefully it stays that way with the 4K what about the 1911 when the Terminator shoots the first Sarah Connor when he opens up her door breaks the chain I noticed when it came out on Blu-ray it doesn't sound like a 1911 anymore it sounds almost like a futuristic laser blast does it still sound like that or does it sound like its original sound of that 45 acp .
There should be some DNR. Film prints age and worsen over time, always needing cleanup and color correction. After 40 years it no longer looks like it did when it premiered.
What a lot of people don't understand is if you don't preserve the film the way it was filmed it's not a restoration. If the colors and grain removal, audio change are done. it's been changed . I've seen variations of The Terminator and all of the them have been changed to some degree. You have to go all the way back to it's first releases . I'm talking about tapes and Laserdisc. The only true unaltered version is the 1995 widescreen THX Laserdisc that had the original mono mix . Once it got remixed to 5.1 it became unwatchable. The film is shot in a raw way and has a raw harsh look. The clean 5.1 audio doesn't match what's on screen . You can't modernize a film shot 40 years ago and change the way it looks and sounds like it was shot yesterday. Film preservation is in jeopardy with what changes that are happening with classic films.
Thanks for your comment mate but i have to respectfully disagree on some of your points. I appreciate what you’re saying about film preservation and without a doubt it is important. But i think film preservation and home video are two different animals. Film preservation is protecting the negative and original film elements. Terminator’s will be well looked after due to its cultural and historical significance and so there to draw on whenever. Home video however naturally has to evolve with technology and what new and current generations are watching their media on. Like u say, they are all ‘versions’ of the original film prints struck and inferior versions at that. I also appreciate what ur saying about the audio being changed, probably unnecessary but i think it’s for the better. The exact same sound effect is used when he fires the long-slide and then a revolver style pistol later on. They sound comical to me in retrospect. Also the police station shoot out has ‘western style’ ricochet effects which again don’t suit the film IMO. Not even being born when the film came out, naturally the 5.1 mix is what i know and therefore is my preferred way to hear it. And lastly i think to say the film is now ‘unwatchable’ is a massive overstatement. Laser discs are not easily available now and although yes it may have that original mono track, the video will definitely be sub par to newer versions. Anyway, not having a go pal but just wanted to respectfully but truthfully reply to your comment. It’s cool u have the laser disc though and if u like it that way then who am i to stop you. Thanks for your comment mate 🤝
@@ElectricGeek AI Upscaling, Enhancing, sharpening or Noise Reduction has NO place in film restoration. Cameron's 4ks are butcheries. Worse than that they look like AI generated plastic. There is no need for it at all. There is no benefit to changing the film in this way. We aren't even watching Terminator anymore as every frame has been put though an AI alorythm, we are watching ironically an AI generated version of The Terminator.
Subbed. Nice to hear a local voice doing this kind of topic rsther than the boat load of US guys. (As good as they are). I seen The Terminator at the Fort before Covid when you could vote for the film to be shown, (can't remember the name of it) nice to see it on a bigger screen after all the many varying TVs I've watched it on over the years. Seen T2 at Silverburn, think it was a 25 year anniversary showing.
Awesome mate! Really appreciate the sub 😃🫡 Yeah i thought there must be room for at least one hunble scotsman. @Scottishgeekguy & @manvsfilm are other good physical media channels by scots 🏴💪🏻 It’s great that we are getting more and more of these ‘retro showings’ I seen ‘Robocop’ a few years back for it’s 35th at killie odeon 👌 Anyway great to have you aboard pal and thanks for the comment too 😊
Unfortunately i don’t think it was but might have been that track as will still be compatible with conventional speaker layouts. Only the ‘isense’ screen in that particular cinema is Atmos certified and they weren’t showing it on that screen sadly.
Was the on screen writing at the start all in frame and visible? I went to see it Sunday night and it was way too zoomed in. The wording wasn’t fully fitting in the frame so the top and bottom lines weren't visible, and the gun store scene was too zoomed in chopping off Arnie's hair and top of scalp. Had to go report it to the manager as was disappointing. Clarity was good, but the framing was poor by the cinema I went too :(
No issues at all with framing in my screening pal. Sorry it wasn’t the same where you were. It really bugs me to when this happens and ur right to report it 👍
Saw this in Cineworld the other week mate . I really enjoyed seeing this in the big screen . It was nice of James Cameron to come on the screen before the movie started , and thank us for coming out of our mums basement to watch it 🤣. Seriously though i thought it looked great . One or two blurry scenes , but it didn't ruin it fore me . I've got Twister , and Interstellar (again in Imax) to see this month 🙂
😂😂 Mate i’ve seen a few folk mention that he was on before it but he wasn’t in my screening and i was there for most of the trailers!? Was it right before it started? Or before the trailers? Glad u got to see it and enjoyed it. The score is amazing. Great hearing it in a cinema. I’ve booked into see the OG star wars re-releases ☺️ and eyeing up the dark knight trilogy imax all-night at the science centre in November. U seen that advertised?
@@ElectricGeek He came on right before the movie started mate. Just thanked everyone for coming to see the movie, and how he cringed at the effects, but not to change anything because it is a low budget cult movie. Glad the science theatre is going again. I first saw Interstellar in there. Total wow experience ☺
Anyone who’s seen this. - have they reinstated the original gun audio for the .45 laser sight pistol, or is it still like the bluray and sounds like a friggin laser pistol!?? If you don’t know what I mean with original audio his pistol Sounded just like dirty Harry’s magnum!!
I’ll be honest i wasn’t even aware of this mate but have since educated myself ☺️ From memory i don’t think it’s changed. I’m more used to the new SFX and don’t remember hearing anything different watching those scenes. I’m 99% sure it’s still the weird kinda whistling suppressor sound.
@@ElectricGeek ok thank you 👍 That being the case I’ll forgo the upgrade from the bluray to the uhd 4K! As for the gun audio - if you ever see an old version of the film then as I say his .45 long slide sounds like dirty Harry’s magnum, and the shotgun and machine gun he uses in the raid on the police station sound different too - less impactful imho! Cone to think of it I think they may have even redubbed the uzi from the nightclub, and possibly even the shotty kyle uses to try and take him down! When you’re used to the original audio and they go n change it like they have (for the worse imo) it kinda stands out and to some degree spoils it!
He doesn’t care about nostalgia. He wants his movies to look like they were released today, which I get is divisive. That being said, they’re working on a new remaster of T2 that isn’t based on the 3D rerelease which should look better. The Abyss looked more balanced when I saw it in theaters earlier this year.
Maybe bodes well then as the Abyss was generally enjoyed as 4k blu ray. Hopefully it correlates the same here as most seem to rate the cinema experience of this. Didn’t know they are looking at T2. Really surprised they are tbh
@VideoTasties not sure yet mate but a lot ask this question and want the original mono track as an option, i hope they take the time to put it on there but i doubt it. More likely to get an atmos upgrade that will please and disappoint in equal measure. Hold onto your tape mate 📼
I'm not one for wanting drastic changes aside from quality to picture and sound e.g. what Lucas did with the OG trilogy by adding stupid cgi inserts but for this there's a few things I'd like to see... 1. A rework of sfx, the 5.1 is SO shitty 2. I hope they subtlety get rid of Arnies eye under the sunglasses in the "I'll be back" scene. In higher quality you can clearly see his left eye under his sunglasses after he'd previously cut out the entire eye socket. 3. Never had a problem with the stop motion of the T-800 endo skeleton but seeing vids on UA-cam of people improving the jankiness of stop motion effects by simply upping the frame rate making it look more natural and fluent is an awesome little trick Those simple things would be awesome and of course l, having the 4k transfer looking good would be BIG plus too 🤪
I think best u can hope for is the mono track to be included and i think sorting out Arnies eye under the glasses would be an easy fix and worth it but to be fair i never even noticed it. Overall i did think it looked really good in the cinema 👍
The colour timing looked very similar to the 2014 blu ray release. There doesn’t appear to have been any major overhaul in that area. I actually don’t think cameron is involved in this one is my suspicion. I’m not sure he would of had any kinda clause built in to his contract back then to get final say on home video and the rights now below to MGM / Amazon NOT Disney that he’s in bed with so i’ve a funny feeling that’s why it looks authentic lol
@@ElectricGeek Thank the Maker for that. The superb 4k release of 'Aliens' has a more 'natural' colour palette when compared to its blu-ray release. At least to my eyes, anyway.
God knows mate, both the glasgow cinemas up here, (quayside and braehead) were 2230 and 2330. 2330 suited me better with kids at home, make sure they were def down for the wife lol It might have been because it was national cinema day? 🤷🏻♂️
Awesome. I’ve never seen empire at the cinema. There’s so much good stuff on just now. My daughter and i going to see Coraline 3d on Wednesday. We’re both excited for it! 😃
I'm not digging the steelbook tbh ( got the collector edition pre ordered) hopefully the audio gets atmos [ unlike T2] I'll keep eyes peeled if it comes to Durham cinema.
I watched this and Terminator 2: Judgement Day at BFI IMAX on Thursday then Terminator 2 again yesterday on Superscreen at Leicester Square. That was the 22nd time I’ve watched the movie at the cinema alone. 😎
Haha! 22 times!? That’s impressive. I thoroughly enjoyed it i have to say. I would have seen T2 also but was lucky to get this in 😅 Glad you got to see both mate 👌
@@cheekster777 What did u think of T1’s restoration? I appreciate it’s difficult to compare or speculate to how it’ll look on disc but i thought it looked fantastic
@@ElectricGeek It was easily the best it has ever looked or sounded imo. Now if you’re reading this James Cameron, how about a *proper* restoration of T2 plus a kick-ass Dolby Atmos audio track.
When watching a 4K movie on a projector screen. is a lot different than watching it on a TV. I have got both TV and projector. I'm watching a movie on a projector screen is more accurate.
I have both myself now also. I enjoy both. My projector is older tho. Not 4k so can’t compared with those discs but i need to try some comparisons standard blu ray for sure
Yeah it looked the same. I think the trouble with this is that when u see it on youtube etc it’s that scene in isolation. If u change the frame rate there, u’d have to do it for the whole film but the rest would look weird. Unless they used that ‘truecut’ motion tech that tbf Cameron has dabbled with recently with Titanic and avatar. Maybe one day? lol
I double checked the link there mate there and it seems to be working ok on my end? If no joy mate can always hit up HMV or Zavvi. Thanks for watching pal 👍
suprisingly being Camerons first and oldest film the picture quality has always been pretty good so im gussing there wasnt much need for too much ai sharpening ect
Lookin fwd to my *dbl bill of T+T2* on Thurs nite in Falkirk (sorry plebs, but my missus runs the cinema an T2 is a vip 'lock-in')...tbf, wen I orig saw T2 3x in '91, it was far out a legit xp - BUT that cruddy *REAL3D* conversion they rerel in 2017 was garbage level. Infact, every single movie I ever saw in that format other than Avatar made my eyes strain...worst prob bein the orig Predator rerel in 3D...shocking.
‘Sorry plebs’ 😂 Perks of the job mate! 👌 I have the 3d disc as part of my 30th anniversary 4k steelbook. I’ve recently got a projector with 3d glasses so was gonna watch it and see what it’s like. I quite enjoy 3d in general tbf. I remember seeing T2 3D in florida the theme park experience at universal studios in florida. Arnie, Edward Furlong and Robert Patrick came back to film scenes especially for it. I think it came out in ‘97 but i might be wrong. That was cool! Think u can get it on youtube now. Thanks for your comment pal 👍
I saw The Terminator 4k screening also. Here is my detailed review and comparison with the currently available blu-ray:
Very much an "Uh Oh" *sigh* situation unfortunately. Me and a friend went to this specifically to check out the picture quality to see whether we will be even considering the 4k release. Long story short the blu-ray is excellent and is the best presentation.
Hilariously it starts with James cameron engaging in Piranha II erasure trying to claim this as his debut feature which is funny and got a lough out of some of the audience. Then he proceeds to say that he has "cleaned-up the image", but some grain remains.
The film starts to roll and it becomes clear that he is a habitual liar as the film is quite literally entirely scrubbed of grain. It creates a very strange looking pixelation effect in scenes with smoke and mist as the AI doesn't know what to do with that or how to differentiate it from the grain it has been commanded to decimate.
On to the AI sharpening itself. Its around Aliens level I would say, maybe slightly worse. Unfortunatley it has basically got two modes: make everything look out-of-focus, or make everyone look like an AI deepfake (a la Alien Romulus). The worst part is that it actually works the absolute worst on Linda Hamilton who spends the entire runtime with an over-sharpened outline of a face, but with no skin or fine detail whatsoever.
As for the colour grade, it is EXACTLY the same as the blu-ray. I put it on before i went and checked it after i came back. It is exactly the same. Honestly with all that I saw and all that I know about AI (I do my own work with the Upscaling i know what it looks like and how it works), my educated assessment is that this "4k master" is exactly the Aliens method again where they have taken the existing 2k blu-ray master and AI upscaled it, DNR'd it and sharpened it.
It isn't horrendous, but: it has no more detail than the blu-ray, the colour grade is the same and in the same "tealify" style, things often look strange and distorted due to the AI, people often look fake, and things with fine detail like the Lieutenant's blazer suit jacket thing is entirely blurred for the entire film despite everything at the same distance being RAZOR RAZOR sharp because of the AI. Make no mistake there is no fine detail, there is more on the blu-ray, there is this AI generated illusion of sharpness but once you see it it's over.
The blu-ray picture wise is a much more natural presentation of the film containing a superior look and feel. If you have the blu-ray there is basically 0 reason to upgrade unless you are desperate for the Atmos track which used the blu-rays 5.1 as a base and doesnt seem too impressive from my experience.
We should be saying no to AI transfers on principle anyway, but if it looked good I would be willing to turn a slight blind eye maybe, but yet again it is another Lazy Upscale from Cameron and his "team". Sad days.
Can ask any questions if you would like.
I thank you for your detailed review and it proves to me exactly what I feared before.
If you want to see Terminator like it used to be with the original mono audio track then you have to go for the old formats, before the Bluray of course.
For those who know this classic from the days of VHS cassettes, this is as always a slap in the face, 4K quality or not 😒
Extremely detailed and expressive account of your findings my friend. Thanks for sharing. I have no back ground whatsoever in AI upscaling so will take ur word on your specific observations. I didn’t see these issues you mention personally but that’s not to say they weren’t there. Though i do think u’ve been overly damning here, as to me at least, no real person looked ‘fake’ at any time, certainly not in the way people appear in the T2, True Lies and at times Aliens 4k blu rays. I do agree with you that the blu ray was already excellent and that if anything that makes achieving any meaningful 4k upgrade challenging when such a high and totally satisfactory standard has already been set. Again thanks for taking the time to share your very detailed input 👍😃
@horror_collector4life With all due respect, I personally think going back to a VHS or even laser disc for anything other than nostalgia is cutting ur nose off to spite ur face as far as AV quality is concerned. I do think what would be a good compromise for most and yourself would be if they just stuck the old mono track on as an option on the 4k disc. There are clearly a lot of people who want to hear terminator as it was originally released so i hope that happens for you’s 👍
Yeah I rewatched the amazing Blu Ray and during the Tech Noire nightclub scene I thought there would be no way for AI to remove the grain without removing all the detail behind the fog.
It’s not too bad though, at least we do have a fantastic Blu Ray. It’s just such a shame that a great version of T2 and True Lies doesn’t really exist.
Damn. I am afraid of Mr. Camerons tendencies to change his old movies. Maybe to make them more watchable to all the tiktok digital video kiddies. I avoided Aliens and True Lies in 4K. I bought The Abyss. Regardless that there is no grain anymore but to me it seems not be a such an AI massacre. And, of course, I had to take into account that there was just a non anamorphic DVD available since more than 20 years. However.
I had little hope that T1 will get kind of "gentle" treatment. But then you mentioned the evil words in your review: 2K master, AI upscale, DNR, sharpening. That are show stoppers to me. In short: AI massacre. Under supervision of the director who... I don´t know what write at this place. 🥴
Maybe have to wait untill he passed away and he can´t prevent anymore real restorations of his movies. Greetings to Mr. Lucas. Episode 4-6 are on this list as well.
Will wait for reviews showing screenshot comparisons between the different medias and versions.
But guess will most likely go and spend the money for something else. (And keep and praise the old Blu Ray.)
Oh this gives me hope that we get an equally good transfer on the 4k disc now. Great vid Andy. I'm so envious you got to see it on a big screen.
It’s definitely worth going out your way to see it if u can on the big screen. Was special for sure 👌Thanks for watching mate 👍
Just ordered a copy. Will arrive Christmas Eve. It’s selling out on Amazon like hot cakes!
40 years? I remember watching this in the Woodford Odeon as a 15 year old with a very bored girlfriend . I remember loving it though and talking about it for days to any poor sod who’d listen. 40 years though. Good Lord.
Haha! I hope you chucked her mate? That was a red flag right there 🚩😂 But seriously, where does the time go man? Tbf, it’s so good that it doesn’t feel 40 years old watching it. Still relevant and as intense as ever. The new restoration certainly helps to breathe it new life. You forget just how menacing Arnie was as the terminator in the original. Thanks for watching mate 👍😃
I was sitting behind you in the red Honda ;-) and i ask myself the same thing.
@@ElectricGeek well, she chucked me, but all’s well that ends well. I got all excited a few years later for T2. Also a great movie, but then as you know, it’s been downhill ever since. Hoping the new animated Terminator is good though.
@@maximusroyalstar9084 was you the bloke who kept digging deep in your popcorn bucket whenever Sarah Conor appeared on the screen?
Did it feel groundbreaking at all, what stuck out for you?
Back in 2015 they released a remastered version of The Terminator. I saw that at the cinema and I have it on Blu-Ray. While it's great to see some deleted scenes (a few minutes worth), the scene where the terminator is in their house, in the middle of the night, was much lighter than in the original movie. It was as if it got there just before dawn. That took away from the character's superior ability to see in the dark, making it less menacing, because it was more like a scene of a regular guy who had broken in.
No doubt, I'll buy the UHD version. (The cinema release may be in 4K, but so-called "4K Ultra HD" discs are actually UHD, not 4K.)
Thank you for the review!
Your very welcome my friend. Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment 👍😃
The first VHS film I ever saw as a kid and still one of my favorite movies.
It’s a film would still work in a nostalgic way watching even now on vhs. The darker, scrubby presentation would compliment it’s horror / slasher dna 👌📼
I watched this on August 30th at Cineworld but I have to say I was extremely impressed with the 4K showing of it 👏🏻
I’m relived to hear a few comments on here saying the same, validating my own thoughts 😅 lol I genuinely felt it was faultless. Glad you managed to catch it on the big screen too 😃
Now I am showing my age here I remember Paul Gambaccini's review of The Terminator on TV-AM back in the day and he hated it and only gave it 1 out of 10. I was only 15 when I first saw The Terminator at my local Cannon cinema when it was rated 18 then.
How any one can give this 1/10 amazes me lol Thanks for your comment my friend 👍😃
How was the color grading? Did the eye surgery scene have cold greenish hues or warm ones?
Actually forgot this was on but thankfully Astoria in Ayr are showing it later this month so won't be missing that.
The best Terminator film, I have my original US One Sheet framed up on the wall next to me 😁
Awesome mate, every time i revisit it i’m more inclined to agree. T2 is great and a lot more polished but there is just something edgy and raw about the original. It’s tighter paced too 👌
Watched it Saturday night in the theatre which was packed thought it looked and sounded really good!
Yeah i thought it looked incredible and that seems to be the general consensus from those of us that have seen it so fingers crossed for the 4k blu ray 🤞🏻📀
Thanks for the rundown, Mate. Sounds hopeful. I managed to see it in the cinema for the first time at Home, Manchester about 7-8 years ago. It looked great although presumably this is a different transfer? This is possibly my favourite movie of all time and I'm praying that it gets a good home release. Fingers crossed.
You’re welcome pal 😊 Yeah it wouldn’t have been the new 4K restoration you seen back then but to be fair the 30th anniversary blu ray already looks great i think. It’s probably this version that was screened then. I stuck that blu ray on last night to check it again after having seen it in the cinema and definitely felt it was a bit more noisy, perhaps darker and just generally more grubby but that’s me being ultra critical and comparing my meagre home cinema setup to an odeon luxe 😂 Please just take this video as intended, a ‘preview’ but it certainly is promising for the 4k blu ray. Thanks for your comment my friend 😃
You're getting me GASSED. glad you had fun!
It was fantastic on the big screen. The score really hits home in the cinema. If u get the chance, see it on the big screen. I’m glad i did. Classic 👌
saw both 1and 2 on friday , such an amazing experience lol
An awesome 1-2 🤜🏻💥🤛🏻, glad you got to see them both mate 😃
I was sitting 2 seats to the right of you, and I nearly gave you a row for filming the opening! I thought the film did look okay, but by the end something about it was hurting my eyes.
Haha! And u would have been right to do so! Hopefully now u understand i was only trying to get a title card shot for the video (which turned out crap as the exposure setting was wrong but didn’t want to prolong using my phone!) My seat was actually right next to you but i moved one over to give u some privacy lol
Re. ur eyes hurting, it might just have been due to the unnatural time we were watching from 12-2? Eyes straining maybe when should be sleeping!😴 Anyway i hope my Youtubing and popcorn munching didn’t distract you too much mate, i try to be as curteous as i can when making content out in public. Thanks for your comment mate and i’m glad u also enjoyed it 👍😃
You were not a problem at all. The two in front of me were filming the opening as well, so I just thought it was a thing with the youth! My recliner seat would not go back down so me mucking about with the controls probably annoyed you. To think that a youtube algorithm suggested I watch a video about Terminator 4k being remastered by AI- took me to a video from the guy sitting next to me shows that skynet is very very real!!
@martincraig153 The god damn algorithm is what’s gonna end us start judgment day! Lol All jokes aside tho, the storyline to the terminator franchise is closer to home than ever now. It’s cool that you found this video anyway and commented mate 😃I did think when i was in the screening that there was a small chance someone in the showing might stumble across it or follow the channel already. Just goes to show! Relieved to know i never distracted u anyway😅
Great news!🎉
🙌🏻🙌🏻 fingers crossed the 4k blu ray looks as good 🤞🏻📀
I'm going tomorrow and have the same curiosities about the sound and picture. My friend in the US went to see it (Cameron was in attendance and did a Q&A afterwards) and he said it looked incredible.
I read the poor T2 transfer was a total mixup though, apparently the transfer for the 3D cinema release was approved by Cameron. He wasn't happy the same translate went to home video. Not sure how true that was.
Still, looking forward to seeing it tomorrow with my Dad.
Yeah i think it’s widely understood now that T2s master was prepped primarily for the 3d release but in wake of his other upscales since then… it’s understandable to think that was maybe BS. Most of his remasters / revisions look like that!? Lol
I wasn’t sure how much swag he’d have over this one as the rights are with mgm / amazon, not disney. But if ur saying he was present at a Q&A screening then maybe he was involved just as much.
Anyway, most importantly. I just hope u enjoy seeing it on the big screen with your dad. Good times 💙
@@ElectricGeek It was incredible. Much better than the T2 release. I saw a tiny amount of grain, it don't look waxy. The sound mix was punchier and not as OTT with some of the effects (I will still mux the mono mix on my copy).
Loved it.
sounds great that there's no DNR hopefully it stays that way with the 4K what about the 1911 when the Terminator shoots the first Sarah Connor when he opens up her door breaks the chain I noticed when it came out on Blu-ray it doesn't sound like a 1911 anymore it sounds almost like a futuristic laser blast does it still sound like that or does it sound like its original sound of that 45 acp .
There should be some DNR. Film prints age and worsen over time, always needing cleanup and color correction. After 40 years it no longer looks like it did when it premiered.
@@tronam if the negative has been properly stored they should look the same as they did 40 50 60 or even 100 years ago
@@watching..........6494 Most unfortunately are not and it can vary wildly depending on certain film stocks which are more robust than others.
What a lot of people don't understand is if you don't preserve the film the way it was filmed it's not a restoration. If the colors and grain removal, audio change are done. it's been changed . I've seen variations of The Terminator and all of the them have been changed to some degree. You have to go all the way back to it's first releases . I'm talking about tapes and Laserdisc. The only true unaltered version is the 1995 widescreen THX Laserdisc that had the original mono mix . Once it got remixed to 5.1 it became unwatchable. The film is shot in a raw way and has a raw harsh look. The clean 5.1 audio doesn't match what's on screen . You can't modernize a film shot 40 years ago and change the way it looks and sounds like it was shot yesterday. Film preservation is in jeopardy with what changes that are happening with classic films.
Thanks for your comment mate but i have to respectfully disagree on some of your points. I appreciate what you’re saying about film preservation and without a doubt it is important. But i think film preservation and home video are two different animals. Film preservation is protecting the negative and original film elements. Terminator’s will be well looked after due to its cultural and historical significance and so there to draw on whenever. Home video however naturally has to evolve with technology and what new and current generations are watching their media on. Like u say, they are all ‘versions’ of the original film prints struck and inferior versions at that. I also appreciate what ur saying about the audio being changed, probably unnecessary but i think it’s for the better. The exact same sound effect is used when he fires the long-slide and then a revolver style pistol later on. They sound comical to me in retrospect. Also the police station shoot out has ‘western style’ ricochet effects which again don’t suit the film IMO. Not even being born when the film came out, naturally the 5.1 mix is what i know and therefore is my preferred way to hear it. And lastly i think to say the film is now ‘unwatchable’ is a massive overstatement. Laser discs are not easily available now and although yes it may have that original mono track, the video will definitely be sub par to newer versions. Anyway, not having a go pal but just wanted to respectfully but truthfully reply to your comment. It’s cool u have the laser disc though and if u like it that way then who am i to stop you. Thanks for your comment mate 🤝
@@ElectricGeek AI Upscaling, Enhancing, sharpening or Noise Reduction has NO place in film restoration. Cameron's 4ks are butcheries. Worse than that they look like AI generated plastic. There is no need for it at all. There is no benefit to changing the film in this way. We aren't even watching Terminator anymore as every frame has been put though an AI alorythm, we are watching ironically an AI generated version of The Terminator.
@@ElectricGeek All good buddy !
@mykal.7424 😃🤜🏻🤛🏻
True. The correct word would be "Remaster".
Sounds great 👍
Yeah it bodes well Matt for sure 🤞🏻
Subbed. Nice to hear a local voice doing this kind of topic rsther than the boat load of US guys. (As good as they are).
I seen The Terminator at the Fort before Covid when you could vote for the film to be shown, (can't remember the name of it) nice to see it on a bigger screen after all the many varying TVs I've watched it on over the years.
Seen T2 at Silverburn, think it was a 25 year anniversary showing.
Awesome mate! Really appreciate the sub 😃🫡 Yeah i thought there must be room for at least one hunble scotsman. @Scottishgeekguy & @manvsfilm are other good physical media channels by scots 🏴💪🏻
It’s great that we are getting more and more of these ‘retro showings’ I seen ‘Robocop’ a few years back for it’s 35th at killie odeon 👌 Anyway great to have you aboard pal and thanks for the comment too 😊
Nice one , I cannot wait too see this again,not seen it for a few years ! No cinema near me has it on show so steelbook is on order
Well if this is anything to go by mate, it’s certainly got my hopes up. Thought it looked great. No hokey AI, DNR that i could see 👌
Was it in ATMOS?
Unfortunately i don’t think it was but might have been that track as will still be compatible with conventional speaker layouts. Only the ‘isense’ screen in that particular cinema is Atmos certified and they weren’t showing it on that screen sadly.
Was the on screen writing at the start all in frame and visible? I went to see it Sunday night and it was way too zoomed in. The wording wasn’t fully fitting in the frame so the top and bottom lines weren't visible, and the gun store scene was too zoomed in chopping off Arnie's hair and top of scalp. Had to go report it to the manager as was disappointing. Clarity was good, but the framing was poor by the cinema I went too :(
No issues at all with framing in my screening pal. Sorry it wasn’t the same where you were. It really bugs me to when this happens and ur right to report it 👍
@@ElectricGeek Just unlucky then haha. Glad yours looked perfect from the off!
Cheers mate
Saw this in Cineworld the other week mate . I really enjoyed seeing this in the big screen . It was nice of James Cameron to come on the screen before the movie started , and thank us for coming out of our mums basement to watch it 🤣. Seriously though i thought it looked great . One or two blurry scenes , but it didn't ruin it fore me . I've got Twister , and Interstellar (again in Imax) to see this month 🙂
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Mate i’ve seen a few folk mention that he was on before it but he wasn’t in my screening and i was there for most of the trailers!? Was it right before it started? Or before the trailers? Glad u got to see it and enjoyed it. The score is amazing. Great hearing it in a cinema. I’ve booked into see the OG star wars re-releases ☺️ and eyeing up the dark knight trilogy imax all-night at the science centre in November. U seen that advertised?
@@ElectricGeek He came on right before the movie started mate. Just thanked everyone for coming to see the movie, and how he cringed at the effects, but not to change anything because it is a low budget cult movie. Glad the science theatre is going again. I first saw Interstellar in there. Total wow experience ☺
Anyone who’s seen this. - have they reinstated the original gun audio for the .45 laser sight pistol, or is it still like the bluray and sounds like a friggin laser pistol!??
If you don’t know what I mean with original audio his pistol Sounded just like dirty Harry’s magnum!!
I’ll be honest i wasn’t even aware of this mate but have since educated myself ☺️ From memory i don’t think it’s changed. I’m more used to the new SFX and don’t remember hearing anything different watching those scenes. I’m 99% sure it’s still the weird kinda whistling suppressor sound.
@@ElectricGeek ok thank you 👍
That being the case I’ll forgo the upgrade from the bluray to the uhd 4K! As for the gun audio - if you ever see an old version of the film then as I say his .45 long slide sounds like dirty Harry’s magnum, and the shotgun and machine gun he uses in the raid on the police station sound different too - less impactful imho!
Cone to think of it I think they may have even redubbed the uzi from the nightclub, and possibly even the shotty kyle uses to try and take him down! When you’re used to the original audio and they go n change it like they have (for the worse imo) it kinda stands out and to some degree spoils it!
I saw a post that said that the original gun sounds were back
No, the Atmos has used the 5.1 as the base. The gun sounds are the same.
@@magsol76 They aren't
It's James Cameron. He'll still fuck it up and insult us when we voice our disappointment.
He doesn’t care about nostalgia. He wants his movies to look like they were released today, which I get is divisive. That being said, they’re working on a new remaster of T2 that isn’t based on the 3D rerelease which should look better. The Abyss looked more balanced when I saw it in theaters earlier this year.
Maybe bodes well then as the Abyss was generally enjoyed as 4k blu ray. Hopefully it correlates the same here as most seem to rate the cinema experience of this. Didn’t know they are looking at T2. Really surprised they are tbh
Will this follow the Alien and Aliens pattern though the 4K Alien is great but Aliens man lets see if we get the same pattern here with Terminator 2.
No. This image is very much in the same vien as the Aliens 4k. Same issues and look.
Watched it on VHS Saturday night the peak physical Media
The way Nolan, Cameron and God intended lol I’d expect nothing less tasties 🫡 Doesn’t matter how u watch this one, always slaps regardless 👌
@@ElectricGeek does the 4K have the original sound effects I believe the BluRay has updated ones?
@VideoTasties not sure yet mate but a lot ask this question and want the original mono track as an option, i hope they take the time to put it on there but i doubt it. More likely to get an atmos upgrade that will please and disappoint in equal measure. Hold onto your tape mate 📼
I'm not one for wanting drastic changes aside from quality to picture and sound e.g. what Lucas did with the OG trilogy by adding stupid cgi inserts but for this there's a few things I'd like to see...
1. A rework of sfx, the 5.1 is SO shitty
2. I hope they subtlety get rid of Arnies eye under the sunglasses in the "I'll be back" scene. In higher quality you can clearly see his left eye under his sunglasses after he'd previously cut out the entire eye socket.
3. Never had a problem with the stop motion of the T-800 endo skeleton but seeing vids on UA-cam of people improving the jankiness of stop motion effects by simply upping the frame rate making it look more natural and fluent is an awesome little trick
Those simple things would be awesome and of course l, having the 4k transfer looking good would be BIG plus too 🤪
I think best u can hope for is the mono track to be included and i think sorting out Arnies eye under the glasses would be an easy fix and worth it but to be fair i never even noticed it. Overall i did think it looked really good in the cinema 👍
Colour-timing? Is it now a teal-and-orange monstrosity like the T2 4k?
The colour timing looked very similar to the 2014 blu ray release. There doesn’t appear to have been any major overhaul in that area. I actually don’t think cameron is involved in this one is my suspicion. I’m not sure he would of had any kinda clause built in to his contract back then to get final say on home video and the rights now below to MGM / Amazon NOT Disney that he’s in bed with so i’ve a funny feeling that’s why it looks authentic lol
@@ElectricGeek Thank the Maker for that. The superb 4k release of 'Aliens' has a more 'natural' colour palette when compared to its blu-ray release. At least to my eyes, anyway.
nice video, why was the showing so late?
God knows mate, both the glasgow cinemas up here, (quayside and braehead) were 2230 and 2330. 2330 suited me better with kids at home, make sure they were def down for the wife lol It might have been because it was national cinema day? 🤷🏻♂️
@@ElectricGeek yeah makes sense. ive got my ticket for empire strikes back, end of September :)
Awesome. I’ve never seen empire at the cinema. There’s so much good stuff on just now. My daughter and i going to see Coraline 3d on Wednesday. We’re both excited for it! 😃
@@ElectricGeek yeah and it doesn't bother me. I won't be seeing beetlejuice in the cinema. other than that I don't even know whats coming out.
I'm not digging the steelbook tbh ( got the collector edition pre ordered) hopefully the audio gets atmos [ unlike T2] I'll keep eyes peeled if it comes to Durham cinema.
I watched this and Terminator 2: Judgement Day at BFI IMAX on Thursday then Terminator 2 again yesterday on Superscreen at Leicester Square. That was the 22nd time I’ve watched the movie at the cinema alone. 😎
Haha! 22 times!? That’s impressive. I thoroughly enjoyed it i have to say. I would have seen T2 also but was lucky to get this in 😅 Glad you got to see both mate 👌
@@ElectricGeek 35mm, 70mm (blow-up), 3D, DCP (unsure which projector BF IMAX used for T2 on Judgement Day (August 29th), Superscreen.
@@cheekster777 What did u think of T1’s restoration? I appreciate it’s difficult to compare or speculate to how it’ll look on disc but i thought it looked fantastic
@@ElectricGeek It was easily the best it has ever looked or sounded imo. Now if you’re reading this James Cameron, how about a *proper* restoration of T2 plus a kick-ass Dolby Atmos audio track.
When watching a 4K movie on a projector screen. is a lot different than watching it on a TV. I have got both TV and projector. I'm watching a movie on a projector screen is more accurate.
I have both myself now also. I enjoy both. My projector is older tho. Not 4k so can’t compared with those discs but i need to try some comparisons standard blu ray for sure
Andy is back!! But hopefully not crashing a police station wuth a car. 😅😅
Haha! No officers were harmed during the making of this video 😅 tho i did have blow out on the way home 😩🤦🏻♂️
Was there the terminator skeleton who walks like plastic with 10fps in 4K restoration or they made him smooth walking?
still 10fps haha
Yeah it looked the same. I think the trouble with this is that when u see it on youtube etc it’s that scene in isolation. If u change the frame rate there, u’d have to do it for the whole film but the rest would look weird. Unless they used that ‘truecut’ motion tech that tbf Cameron has dabbled with recently with Titanic and avatar. Maybe one day? lol
Strsnge won't let me pre-order via amazon
I double checked the link there mate there and it seems to be working ok on my end? If no joy mate can always hit up HMV or Zavvi. Thanks for watching pal 👍
@@ElectricGeek no problem mate, will try again a bit. I'll be back 🤣
@1981Amm 😂😂 😉👍
suprisingly being Camerons first and oldest film the picture quality has always been pretty good so im gussing there wasnt much need for too much ai sharpening ect
Thought Piranha II was his first film
I think ur right but hardly ‘his’ film, just a rent a director then I think lol
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Lookin fwd to my *dbl bill of T+T2* on Thurs nite in Falkirk (sorry plebs, but my missus runs the cinema an T2 is a vip 'lock-in')...tbf, wen I orig saw T2 3x in '91, it was far out a legit xp - BUT that cruddy *REAL3D* conversion they rerel in 2017 was garbage level. Infact, every single movie I ever saw in that format other than Avatar made my eyes strain...worst prob bein the orig Predator rerel in 3D...shocking.
‘Sorry plebs’ 😂 Perks of the job mate! 👌
I have the 3d disc as part of my 30th anniversary 4k steelbook. I’ve recently got a projector with 3d glasses so was gonna watch it and see what it’s like. I quite enjoy 3d in general tbf.
I remember seeing T2 3D in florida the theme park experience at universal studios in florida. Arnie, Edward Furlong and Robert Patrick came back to film scenes especially for it. I think it came out in ‘97 but i might be wrong. That was cool! Think u can get it on youtube now. Thanks for your comment pal 👍
Belter of a video
Cheers mate, was good seeing on the big screen. Shame about the tyre blowout on the way home tho 😩 changing a tyre at 3am not ideal!