Great video. I am so done with over rated/over priced fluorocarbon. Tie the same good knot on clear mono, with a good bait, and catch just as many or more fish, with 30% better abrasion resistance.
Yep.........me too. I posted a comment here over 6 yrs ago saying there's nothing wrong with a palomar knot on fluoro, so long as the knot is tied carefully, like this video shows. HOWEVER, I have since proven to myself that fluoro is the biggest money making scam in fishing history. It is by far the weakest of all fishing lines. That's because fluoro belongs to the GLASS family. Every type of stress causes fractures on the entire length of fluoro off the spool, all the way to your hook or lure. I got sick & tired of losing fish ( even small fish ) on the hook set or even lures during casting, I switched 100% back over to tried & true Berkley/Trilene Big Game mono, and over 90% of my line breakage issues disappeared. I'm DONE with fluoro. The only thing it's good for is getting deep diving lures a little deeper ( because fluoro sinks ) in clear water with NO heavy cover around. And even then, ya have to use brand new fluoro for every trip out on the water, because every hook set, every snag, even big or powerful fish are all causing all of those tiny FRACTURES throughout the entire length of fluoro line off your spool. UA-cam ch: SALT STRONG did an amazing video/test that proves once & for all just how sorry fluoro truly is for fishing, and how quickly & easily it breaks, even when brand new. It's over-priced & over-hyped garbage.
*I was pleased with Trilene mono line **enjoyable.fishing** recommend performance (25 lb. test) because it offers smooth casting with no tangles/bird's nest in the spool. And, knots can be tied effectively with ease. I would recommend.*
If tied correctly,,it will hold. It will hold a 11ft white sturgeon, or smolt nibbler. One of the key steps that all of the Palomar videos fail to miss,,is that you cannot allow the lines to cross on the underside of the hook eye where it finally tightens down. Those must not cross on that final draw up or they will let the line slip eventually and snap when setting a hook. The crossing will occur if you let the hook slip from your grasp while tying.
Exactly, where most people fail is on the 1st step, they kink the line then push the kink through the eye. I seen a lot of people do that, it hurts their knots but 99% will never know because they never put their line through a vigorous test, I never say anything because fishing is supposed to be fun, and telling people they are tying their knots wrong even though they've (tied it that way for 39 years and never had a knot fail) will bum out a fishing trip.
without doubt, the very best knot. after tying a few times, second nature. you end up with 2 wraps around the eye. I've always doubled the line, and passed it thru the eye,to start the knot, but with my eyesight going a little south, I will be passing it thru twice this year to start the knot, never to old to learn, thanks for the vid!
Use the Trilene Knot if you are using monofilament or fluorocarbon line. Use the Uni Knot for braid knots. I guess you can use a Double Palomar Knot for braid if you want, but beware of slippery braid.
dmkappa62 just like its not a Croppie..... it’s a Crappie. It’s not a Crawfish.... it’s a Crayfish. I understand it’s fishing and not English Class, but c’mon !
Our take is you need to be careful with every knot. You cross your wraps on a uni knot it will cut. You cross your wraps on a san diego jam knot, it will cut. You've got to tie the knots right regardless of which one you choose, for them to work well with fluoro.
My knot never breaks. I use only this knot for my saltwater leaders. But all my line is 50lb to 130lb braid depending on which reel I am using. If your having break offs with braid try using a heavy top shot.
This sure does lower my confidence in fluorocarbon line. Basically fluorocarbon cuts into fluorocarbon with applied stress. Which makes any wrap under tension a potential cut point.
Great video, I do love the palomar knot for my braided line, for Fluoro and mono I prefer the uni knot, feels a little more forgiving when dealing with the line memory and it’s always been pretty strong and reliable.
Ouch. You can find videos that the clinch knot is at best only 60% as strong as your line rating. Palomar on the other hand tied right is 100%. I would highly recommend changing your knot.
I was doing everything right, except wetting the line. Great video! Thank's for showing the arbour knot and demonstrating what fluorocarbon does to itself when cinched down. Great idea to show what happens and how it creates those micro abrasions. The Palomar is the strongest know there is, because it bends the line the least amount of times in the finished product and every bend weakens the line strength. The Palomar retains about 90-95% of the line strength when done right. Superior to any other knot. It is strong and the end result is simple in terms of bends.
Yes maybe so but most of the $ they made on it went back to Japan. At least when an American brand vehicle is sold here the majority of the $ stays here. Every time I see an American Flag hanging out of a foreign car window it makes me laugh. An you foreign car buyers wonder why our economy is the way it is.
@@bodhizafa7125 i buy quality no matter where from.... you can go ahead and buy your dodge gmc junk that will break down in 2 years. Tacoma is still going strong 20 years later.
No matter what type of knot you'll use, it will brake at the knot (unless you have deep cuts on your line). Because knot reduces line's braking strength in half (50%, even more if it is not correctly set in). I didn't believe until done some testing myself. Let's say you have 32lb (14kg) line. With the perfect knot on the hook max you can pull is 16lb (7kg). And this number drops with imperfection and type of knot. Test for yourself before disagreeing.
I just pulled a 5lbs bass from a lake on the same line and same knot,no problems,as he said,floro does not like abrasions,i find that most of my breaks are fighting fish running line into objects under water during fight causing breaks and loss of fish with floro. Floro is a great line for lures needing to go deep,the draw back,cant rub against nothing for it will break.
he's right!....line breaks most of the time because of 2 things only....the line has abrasions and people have the drag set too tight and pull against the fish when they should be going with him...I've been fishing with a man for yrs that uses a simple improved clinch knot and he never breaks off.
Lots of pros still only use the Improved Clinch. Never had a problem so they never changed. We like that same philosophy. Find a knot that works for you and stick with it. Personally I tie a Uni 99% of the time. - Jason
Wired2Fish Roger that....I use a double improved clinch and check my line consistently.....the biggest problem I've always had is setting the hook to quickly when I'm catching fish I've found stacked up....I GET EXCITED COME IN!...🐋
The video in your wired2fish article on the palomar knot which uses the orange rope as an example. Puts the loop BELOW the knot. Then further down the article u show the loop ABOVE the knot like it is in this video... which is the correct way ?
You were doing so good then you left out the most important step...checking your finished knot. You have to look at the knot really good to make sure the two lines going through the eye are side by side and not crossed. For beginners checking the finished knot will tell them if they tied it right or need to retie. I've been tying this knot for well over 40 years and sometimes i get it wrong. Checking the knot is the only way to make sure you did it right.
I agree he could have said final step make sure your 2 lines under the hook eye are not crossing each other if they are retie you did something wrong i totally get it.
this explains why over my 32 years of life when this damn knot seemed to have failed at carp fishing. Big heavy fish pulling a weak spot in the knot... oh man it hurts.
A good/great knot, but not the easiest to tie,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, in the dark. The uni-knot can be tied blindfolded. Try that with a palomar. Palomar for drop shot. Uni for everything else.
Great Video, Jason. I watched this video years ago and I haven't had a palomar knot break on me since. These tips are what is needed to fully understand how your knot could break. Follow this video and have the confidence that your palomar knot will not break due to an incorrect tie.
Just use the uni-knot or improved uni-knot for Flurocarbon line and Youll save braincells and money ;) Btw the improved uni-knot for flurocarbon is the strongast knot and simplest to make for the knot types.
While the Palomar May be simple to tie, the uniknot is superior and not difficult once you get it down pat. Also for tying two lines together it’s pretty damned good as well, not as good as an Albright but very good and easier for those that have trouble with the Albright or FG( I have trouble with the FG!$.
Can't figure out why my knots are breaking.. I'm doing double polamor but still breaking.. line is new so I don't think that's it.. I do everything like he does.. so annoying
Nice video!Thank you!Anyway I use the uni knot and I am afraid to change.Please give me a honest advice.Is the palomar knot better on fluorocarbon than the uni knot????thank you!!
I have issues with tying a fluro leader to braid.... I use 15lb fluro and 50lb braid and if I don't get that knot perfect it will cut into itself after awhile, or just worry me to death causing a me to re-tie after a few fish... Usually will take me 3 or 4 times to tie until I am 100% over confident in the knot where both lines come together perfect and its just damn near impossible to break/cut/slip.... Its amazing how strong fluro to braid is when its done correctly
I guess at the end of the day there are lots of good knots for a barrage of applications. I prefer the uni knot for attaching most baits to flouro or mono. I use a Palomar for attaching directly to braid. Just my way of doing it. Seems to work ok. Thanks for the tip.
Fluorocarbon breaks because it heats up if you pull it tight too fast. That's the only reason. Lubricate and seat your knot slowly, and you'll never have that problem.
Why do you want to screw around with knots, improved cinch knot is the best knot for freshwater fishing. Life is short, the least of your worries is playing with knots !
my palmor knot breake yesterday. spindelreel locked my throw. boom all gone. . uni knot have never failed me 5-8 turns on nylon 9-11 on bread line. best knot ever. even pulled 130 pounds to it break knot is still there and one feet line. i loop the the lure snell... two turns before i do the uni knot. reallly hard.
Who are these people who get fluorocarbon breaks on knots. I've been fishing tournaments a loooonngg time ..i tie this knot for everything. I fish heavy fluorocarbon and flip mostly. Catch heavy bass a lot on Santee cooper lakes in sc. Never had problems
This is my go to knot. Uni knot for fly fishing. But the this knot will not fail. Used a snail knot until a big mofo catfish got away from me. So don't use crap knots.
Good info. I am a slack line hook setter and i was breaking off on the hook set. At the bait. So I was actually wondering if the flouro was bad?? Then I changed knots and did not break off any more. I like the concept of double line thru the eyelet adds more strength. i am gong to go back to the palomar knot and test your idea. Hoping you are correct. Gotta see for myself.
I had problems with braid breaking at the knot. I've been bass & catfishing 35 yrs and am a religious re-tie guy, and have not ever been broken off by a bass on mono or fluoro. Not any fish that didn't wind me around an abrasive object. The ONLY fish I've ever had break me off in open water was on braid that had double the rated poundage as my mono & fluoro. I've tried three different knots with all the same result.
Im assuming this does not apply to braided. Im doing it all wrong on my fluorocarbon line, I just wet it and yanked the living heck out of it lol. Gotta be gentle next time. Thanks for the tip bro
I have been fishing Spider Wire braid, after I had tried several other braids on baitcasters and never tried anything else since. I even took the mono off of my little ultra light open face spinning reels and put braid on them. Only thing I have to worry about is being careful of not breaking the rods. Usually have 6 rods on the deck and even after several years and the green braid turns almost white , I have never had a break off. Have no idea how much money I have saved. Use to change out my mono line at least 3 times a year. I don't remember what year I started using Spider year, but started Bass fishing shortly after coming home from Nam. What some other said, was true about fluorocarbon line back then was stiff like fine wire. Old man still fighting Agent Orange
that's when i tried it too and i prefer it over many of the modern braids. I still have 2 unopened boxes of the spiderwire Original from around 20 years ago. the black and red box. If i remember right, the average cost for bulk spooling in typical freshwater reel pound test was $.25-.45/yard which was a lot considering trilene and stren were under $3/spool back then.
When you break it down it is a really very cost effective and you don't loose as many lures either. When I was fishing Slider Worms in the hot summer , I lost very few fish on my ultra lite or lures, because I could just straighten the hook. I could also feel about any pick up. I carried a old drum stick to wrap the line around, to pull with. You were right about the black and red box. Still have several, suppose they are collectables now ? :-) vic
I was seeking the find out what makes my tie weak. I developed a technic on it but mine was completely different than that. I will try this and compare the results with my technic. Thanks for the tip, because nobody talks about the knot tricks which is VERY important. So many people changing their lines or try to find better lines because cannot tie properly. They choose thicker lines etc. Thanks again.
I only use palomar knots with braid. Sometimes I use a double palomar if not being lazy and both don't break on me. I never use them with other lines unless it's with on a drop shot.
I've been thinking of trying the palomar knot, so I've been testing it against all the other knots everyone says is better for flouro. I've tied the palomar, using 6lb line, exactly the way you showed in this video and it has beaten every single one of the "better" knots. A lot of the other knots broke very easily, so I can't understand why everyone thinks they are so good. Maybe they aren't tying the palomar correctly, but some of the guys making these videos are pros.
Yes, I've tried it thanks, it's a good knot. Every now and then I'll give something different a try. At the moment I'm using a uni knot, which I know some people will say is not so strong. But it's quick and easy and I'm tying swivel clips to 20lb leaders with it, so it's strong enough. If you are looking for a braid to leader knot, I can highly recommend the FG knot, if tied correctly, it's excellent.
Qoul Wan Rite on, yea the fg knot is the best leader knot, I like the uni to uni also it works well but the fg is more low profile and goes thru the guides well, it took me like 5 trys when I first watched how to tie it but it is a great knot, like a Chinese finger trap
i grew up using the trylene knot but just recently learned how to tie a palomar knot and although the trylene knot is second nature to me now from using it so much my whole life i gotta say palomar knot would be much easier for first timmers to learn and it works better with braided line too
heard others say the same about fc and palomar being a bad combination. I also have not had a problem with it. I usually use a slightly heavier fc leader directly tied to a thinner copolymer mainline. that line to line connection is where it usually breaks for me.
This so much, use a palomar most of the time and never have an issue. Paying attention to the knot as you tie it will make it a versatile and strong knot.
Does it matter whether you do the overhand knot around the front in through the back or around the back in through the front? Also does it matter whether you put the hook/swivel in through the front or back of the loop towards the end of the knot?
Thanks for sharing! I love this knot for a few reasons. Your video couldn't of come to me at a better time 🎣
Pal-o-mar, like the mountain on San Diego Co. meaning 'a roost for pidgeons'. My favorite knot also.
It's all in the details, always take your time when tying a knot. It's the weakest link between you and a fish of a lifetime.
It's funny how learning the same info again through a different source still brings satisfaction. Great fishing tip!
Great video. I am so done with over rated/over priced fluorocarbon. Tie the same good knot on clear mono, with a good bait, and catch just as many or more fish, with 30% better abrasion resistance.
Yep.........me too. I posted a comment here over 6 yrs ago saying there's nothing wrong with a palomar knot on fluoro, so long as the knot is tied carefully, like this video shows. HOWEVER, I have since proven to myself that fluoro is the biggest money making scam in fishing history. It is by far the weakest of all fishing lines. That's because fluoro belongs to the GLASS family. Every type of stress causes fractures on the entire length of fluoro off the spool, all the way to your hook or lure. I got sick & tired of losing fish ( even small fish ) on the hook set or even lures during casting, I switched 100% back over to tried & true Berkley/Trilene Big Game mono, and over 90% of my line breakage issues disappeared. I'm DONE with fluoro. The only thing it's good for is getting deep diving lures a little deeper ( because fluoro sinks ) in clear water with NO heavy cover around. And even then, ya have to use brand new fluoro for every trip out on the water, because every hook set, every snag, even big or powerful fish are all causing all of those tiny FRACTURES throughout the entire length of fluoro line off your spool. UA-cam ch: SALT STRONG did an amazing video/test that proves once & for all just how sorry fluoro truly is for fishing, and how quickly & easily it breaks, even when brand new. It's over-priced & over-hyped garbage.
Mason hard type mono… that is where it’s at for leader material.
*I was pleased with Trilene mono line **enjoyable.fishing** recommend performance (25 lb. test) because it offers smooth casting with no tangles/bird's nest in the spool. And, knots can be tied effectively with ease. I would recommend.*
If tied correctly,,it will hold. It will hold a 11ft white sturgeon, or smolt nibbler. One of the key steps that all of the Palomar videos fail to miss,,is that you cannot allow the lines to cross on the underside of the hook eye where it finally tightens down. Those must not cross on that final draw up or they will let the line slip eventually and snap when setting a hook. The crossing will occur if you let the hook slip from your grasp while tying.
Thanks a lot for the information as Paloma knot is my most often used knot by far! Thanks again for the video.
Exactly, where most people fail is on the 1st step, they kink the line then push the kink through the eye. I seen a lot of people do that, it hurts their knots but 99% will never know because they never put their line through a vigorous test, I never say anything because fishing is supposed to be fun, and telling people they are tying their knots wrong even though they've (tied it that way for 39 years and never had a knot fail) will bum out a fishing trip.
without doubt, the very best knot. after tying a few times, second nature. you end up with 2 wraps around the eye. I've always doubled the line, and passed it thru the eye,to start the knot, but with my eyesight going a little south, I will be passing it thru twice this year to start the knot, never to old to learn, thanks for the vid!
FalconerPhoto the uni knot works pretty good too, especially with Fluoro and mono line
@FalconerPhoto , so get you, I like that knot as well, it's just that when you trust a knot, it's hard to do another.
Use the Trilene Knot if you are using monofilament or fluorocarbon line. Use the Uni Knot for braid knots. I guess you can use a Double Palomar Knot for braid if you want, but beware of slippery braid.
I use power pro with a polymer knot and never had a problem
Now this guy knows how to tie a knot the right way.
K8Nicole Yes! New considerable theory! octopus lives in trees
Its pal o mar. Not polymer. But theyre a great knot.
dmkappa62 just like its not a Croppie..... it’s a Crappie.
It’s not a Crawfish.... it’s a Crayfish.
I understand it’s fishing and not English Class, but c’mon !
Depends on what part of the country you're from
Who's they?lol
Our take is you need to be careful with every knot. You cross your wraps on a uni knot it will cut. You cross your wraps on a san diego jam knot, it will cut. You've got to tie the knots right regardless of which one you choose, for them to work well with fluoro.
My knot never breaks. I use only this knot for my saltwater leaders. But all my line is 50lb to 130lb braid depending on which reel I am using. If your having break offs with braid try using a heavy top shot.
This sure does lower my confidence in fluorocarbon line. Basically fluorocarbon cuts into fluorocarbon with applied stress. Which makes any wrap under tension a potential cut point.
Great video, I do love the palomar knot for my braided line, for Fluoro and mono I prefer the uni knot, feels a little more forgiving when dealing with the line memory and it’s always been pretty strong and reliable.
I have used this knot basically since my Dad taught it to me over 30yrs ago and I have never had an issue.
I haven't either
THANK You.well done..cheers🍺
THE CLINCH KNOT IS MY GO-TO, 5 NEVER HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH IT BREAKING. JUST SAYIN'.
*On fluorocarbon and mono
Ouch. You can find videos that the clinch knot is at best only 60% as strong as your line rating. Palomar on the other hand tied right is 100%. I would highly recommend changing your knot.
The only issue with the clinch knot is if you dont wrap it enough itll slip
Polymer?
17 pound so it would show up really well in the video.
I was doing everything right, except wetting the line. Great video! Thank's for showing the arbour knot and demonstrating what fluorocarbon does to itself when cinched down. Great idea to show what happens and how it creates those micro abrasions. The Palomar is the strongest know there is, because it bends the line the least amount of times in the finished product and every bend weakens the line strength. The Palomar retains about 90-95% of the line strength when done right. Superior to any other knot. It is strong and the end result is simple in terms of bends.
You realize of course that my Tundra was built by Americans in America right?
Yes maybe so but most of the $ they made on it went back to Japan. At least when an American brand vehicle is sold here the majority of the $ stays here. Every time I see an American Flag hanging out of a foreign car window it makes me laugh. An you foreign car buyers wonder why our economy is the way it is.
@@bodhizafa7125 i buy quality no matter where from.... you can go ahead and buy your dodge gmc junk that will break down in 2 years. Tacoma is still going strong 20 years later.
Never had a problem with it....the knot is money
Thanks for the video, i kept losing fish because my loop would bind on the bottom of the eye.
Finally, proper information. This is such a simple knot but nobody explains how to tie it properly. Thanks for the great information. 👍
That's actually the Revo STX Gen 3 on a Villain 7'6" Flippin stick.
No matter what type of knot you'll use, it will brake at the knot (unless you have deep cuts on your line). Because knot reduces line's braking strength in half (50%, even more if it is not correctly set in). I didn't believe until done some testing myself. Let's say you have 32lb (14kg) line. With the perfect knot on the hook max you can pull is 16lb (7kg). And this number drops with imperfection and type of knot. Test for yourself before disagreeing.
Also if you fight the fish & not horse it in will make a difference.
I just pulled a 5lbs bass from a lake on the same line and same knot,no problems,as he said,floro does not like abrasions,i find that most of my breaks are fighting fish running line into objects under water during fight causing breaks and loss of fish with floro.
Floro is a great line for lures needing to go deep,the draw back,cant rub against nothing for it will break.
The Devil is in the details. Thanks. Great video.
The only knot I use. besides flies and small hooks
he's right!....line breaks most of the time because of 2 things only....the line has abrasions and people have the drag set too tight and pull against the fish when they should be going with him...I've been fishing with a man for yrs that uses a simple improved clinch knot and he never breaks off.
Lots of pros still only use the Improved Clinch. Never had a problem so they never changed. We like that same philosophy. Find a knot that works for you and stick with it. Personally I tie a Uni 99% of the time. - Jason
Wired2Fish Roger that....I use a double improved clinch and check my line consistently.....the biggest problem I've always had is setting the hook to quickly when I'm catching fish I've found stacked up....I GET EXCITED COME IN!...🐋
i always do a double palomar on hooks, the devil couldn't break that hook off... ill straighten the hook before it ever snaps at the knot...
you have no idea how helpful was for me keep up the good spirit... tnx
Thank you. Now let me go retie all my 32 baitcasters. I was it all wrong.
If your palomar knot breaks it's because it SUCKS!!!! Tie the Fish-N-Fool knot, It beat the Palomar in ever line type in a head to head test.
It's not a "polymer" knot. It's a "PALOMAR" knot! Other than the cringeworthy mispronunciation, it was an informative video for those having trouble.
This is the knot I use. Wetting it is hey.
Yundra and Tacoma are built in San Antonio, Texas. That's better than America.
Tundra & Tacoma are also built in other parts of America lol.
The video in your wired2fish article on the palomar knot which uses the orange rope as an example. Puts the loop BELOW the knot. Then further down the article u show the loop ABOVE the knot like it is in this video... which is the correct way ?
Thank you sir! Been tying a Palomar knot for a long time and never knew what I was doing wrong.
You were doing so good then you left out the most important step...checking your finished knot. You have to look at the knot really good to make sure the two lines going through the eye are side by side and not crossed. For beginners checking the finished knot will tell them if they tied it right or need to retie. I've been tying this knot for well over 40 years and sometimes i get it wrong. Checking the knot is the only way to make sure you did it right.
Offtrail Bound 30 miles out
He did say not to cross your line...didn't he?
Offtrail Bound
He literally said it 3 times.
1:35, 3:42 & 5:58
This guy is trying to help people. The least you could do is pay attention.
I agree he could have said final step make sure your 2 lines under the hook eye are not crossing each other if they are retie you did something wrong i totally get it.
@@rodrigoelguThe two wraps through the eye are parallel and not crossed in an x shape?😊😊😊
I didn't think good knots were important until I started fishing for bass. They are freakishly strong.
Make sure your drag is set right too, that’s very important to not having them break you off.
Funny how my knots break when I cast a lure but not when I'm reeling in a nice fish.
Haha, me too when i started fishing
Awesome video! I completely, 100% agree with everything you said. Hopefully my palmar knots are good :p
this explains why over my 32 years of life when this damn knot seemed to have failed at carp fishing. Big heavy fish pulling a weak spot in the knot... oh man it hurts.
palomer knot with braid cinch knot with mono. I've never had a palomer break.
A good/great knot, but not the easiest to tie,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, in the dark. The uni-knot can be tied blindfolded. Try that with a palomar. Palomar for drop shot. Uni for everything else.
A palomar is good with braid and monofilament but not good with fluorocarbon.. sorry just the truth
john 3.16
Great Video, Jason. I watched this video years ago and I haven't had a palomar knot break on me since. These tips are what is needed to fully understand how your knot could break. Follow this video and have the confidence that your palomar knot will not break due to an incorrect tie.
Thanks Mike! It's a great knot. Any knot will be susceptible to breakage if it digs into itself on crossed lines.
That was my problem I was pulling the mailine tight before pulling on the tag end.
The only benefit I see I flouro is sensitivity and low stretch. Mono is better in all other aspects
YOUR KNOT BREAKS BECAUSE THE PALOMAR IS NOT A GOOD KNOT FOR FLOURO, THAT IS WHY
Best all around knot. Fast strong and easy.
artichoke890 We agree! We also use a Uni knot a lot.
Wired2Fish Wat about the San Diego jam knot? I've used it alot and it works great. Palomar on certain things and Sdjk on others for me.
The Fish-N-Fool knot has been proven to be the best all around knot and it's easy to tie.
Subbed the moment you showed me what a half-hitch does to fluoro. :)
This knot seems primarily a bass anglers knot good luck catching the cross up every time with 2lb test. I'll stick to my double improved cinch knot.
Bodhi Zafa i use it on 80lb fluro catching close to 100lb tarpon. it works
Just use the uni-knot or improved uni-knot for Flurocarbon line and Youll save braincells and money ;)
Btw the improved uni-knot for flurocarbon is the strongast knot and simplest to make for the knot types.
@Bodhi Zafa,I have used it for all kinds of fish,Even for walleye & pike trolling & never one had a problem.
@ Bodhi Zafa,I use it on light/little line as well for ice fishing from 1lb-4or 6lb.
Thank You for the knowledge !
If the lines cross in the eye of the hook, the line of top will cut the Lind underneath
While the Palomar May be simple to tie, the uniknot is superior and not difficult once you get it down pat.
Also for tying two lines together it’s pretty damned good as well, not as good as an Albright but very good and easier for those that have trouble with the Albright or FG( I have trouble with the FG!$.
Wetting nylon line weather fluro or mono weakens it significantly.
Can't figure out why my knots are breaking.. I'm doing double polamor but still breaking.. line is new so I don't think that's it.. I do everything like he does.. so annoying
Nice video!Thank you!Anyway I use the uni knot and I am afraid to change.Please give me a honest advice.Is the palomar knot better on fluorocarbon than the uni knot????thank you!!
I have issues with tying a fluro leader to braid.... I use 15lb fluro and 50lb braid and if I don't get that knot perfect it will cut into itself after awhile, or just worry me to death causing a me to re-tie after a few fish... Usually will take me 3 or 4 times to tie until I am 100% over confident in the knot where both lines come together perfect and its just damn near impossible to break/cut/slip.... Its amazing how strong fluro to braid is when its done correctly
I agree, its making sure that initial double through the eyelet is straight and it's smooth sailing from there
I guess at the end of the day there are lots of good knots for a barrage of applications. I prefer the uni knot for attaching most baits to flouro or mono. I use a Palomar for attaching directly to braid. Just my way of doing it. Seems to work ok. Thanks for the tip.
Fluorocarbon breaks because it heats up if you pull it tight too fast. That's the only reason. Lubricate and seat your knot slowly, and you'll never have that problem.
Put this one 2 rods this past year and had no problems/breaks
Why do you want to screw around with knots, improved cinch knot is the best knot for freshwater fishing. Life is short, the least of your worries is playing with knots !
The Palomar isn't good with Fluorocarbon. I can tie it right. I'm a knot master. There are just better knots for Fluorocarbon
My Palomar knot never breaks.i usually have to cut my line if I get it snagged and can't get it unsnagged lol
my palmor knot breake yesterday. spindelreel locked my throw. boom all gone. .
uni knot have never failed me 5-8 turns on nylon 9-11 on bread line. best knot ever. even pulled 130 pounds to it break knot is still there and one feet line.
i loop the the lure snell... two turns before i do the uni knot. reallly hard.
Asked us if we could hear the line and knot rubbing on itself........all I could hear was the music he has in the background.
Who are these people who get fluorocarbon breaks on knots. I've been fishing tournaments a loooonngg time ..i tie this knot for everything. I fish heavy fluorocarbon and flip mostly. Catch heavy bass a lot on Santee cooper lakes in sc. Never had problems
You’re saying polymer, pal.
This is my go to knot. Uni knot for fly fishing. But the this knot will not fail. Used a snail knot until a big mofo catfish got away from me. So don't use crap knots.
I agree with you how necessary it is to Not cross the line That’s why I think it’s easier just to use the San Diego Jam Knot And it’s Stronger!
Good info. I am a slack line hook setter and i was breaking off on the hook set. At the bait. So I was actually wondering if the flouro was bad?? Then I changed knots and did not break off any more. I like the concept of double line thru the eyelet adds more strength. i am gong to go back to the palomar knot and test your idea. Hoping you are correct. Gotta see for myself.
I had problems with braid breaking at the knot. I've been bass & catfishing 35 yrs and am a religious re-tie guy, and have not ever been broken off by a bass on mono or fluoro. Not any fish that didn't wind me around an abrasive object.
The ONLY fish I've ever had break me off in open water was on braid that had double the rated poundage as my mono & fluoro.
I've tried three different knots with all the same result.
Im assuming this does not apply to braided. Im doing it all wrong on my fluorocarbon line, I just wet it and yanked the living heck out of it lol. Gotta be gentle next time. Thanks for the tip bro
@ David Stanely well if you're buying 20 dollar lures thats your first mistake haha.
I have been fishing Spider Wire braid, after I had tried several other braids on baitcasters and never tried anything else since. I even took the mono off of my little ultra light open face spinning reels and put braid on them. Only thing I have to worry about is being careful of not breaking the rods.
Usually have 6 rods on the deck and even after several years and the green braid turns almost white , I have never had a break off. Have no idea how much money I have saved. Use to change out my mono line at least 3 times a year.
I don't remember what year I started using Spider year, but started Bass fishing shortly after coming home from Nam.
What some other said, was true about fluorocarbon line back then was stiff like fine wire.
Old man still fighting Agent Orange
that's when i tried it too and i prefer it over many of the modern braids. I still have 2 unopened boxes of the spiderwire Original from around 20 years ago. the black and red box. If i remember right, the average cost for bulk spooling in typical freshwater reel pound test was $.25-.45/yard which was a lot considering trilene and stren were under $3/spool back then.
When you break it down it is a really very cost effective and you don't loose as many lures either. When I was fishing Slider Worms in the hot summer , I lost very few fish on my ultra lite or lures, because I could just straighten the hook. I could also feel about any pick up.
I carried a old drum stick to wrap the line around, to pull with.
You were right about the black and red box. Still have several, suppose they are collectables now ? :-) vic
@ littlegoobie,Just 1 bad thing about old line especially 20 year old line. It can/will weaken/lose strength over time.
@ victor castle,Thanks for your service sir.
It's called a PALOMAR not a Polomer!
I was seeking the find out what makes my tie weak. I developed a technic on it but mine was completely different than that. I will try this and compare the results with my technic. Thanks for the tip, because nobody talks about the knot tricks which is VERY important. So many people changing their lines or try to find better lines because cannot tie properly. They choose thicker lines etc. Thanks again.
I only use palomar knots with braid. Sometimes I use a double palomar if not being lazy and both don't break on me. I never use them with other lines unless it's with on a drop shot.
Thanks for the hint! Have only used Pline floroclear so far but I knew I was doing something wrong! Happy New Year and God bless!
It's ok for 40lb and lighter line....try 100lb and you will see the disadvantage. it's bulky, doesn't cinch tight and slips.
I use the Palomar knot a lot, and also San Diego Jam knot , especially when using Carolina rigs, I like them both. They are both strong Knots!
Its NOT a "polymer" knot. Its pronounced "PaloMar" knot.
I've been thinking of trying the palomar knot, so I've been testing it against all the other knots everyone says is better for flouro. I've tied the palomar, using 6lb line, exactly the way you showed in this video and it has beaten every single one of the "better" knots. A lot of the other knots broke very easily, so I can't understand why everyone thinks they are so good. Maybe they aren't tying the palomar correctly, but some of the guys making these videos are pros.
Qoul Wan Have you tried the San Diego jam knot? it works great for me when I'm not using a palomar
Yes, I've tried it thanks, it's a good knot. Every now and then I'll give something different a try. At the moment I'm using a uni knot, which I know some people will say is not so strong. But it's quick and easy and I'm tying swivel clips to 20lb leaders with it, so it's strong enough.
If you are looking for a braid to leader knot, I can highly recommend the FG knot, if tied correctly, it's excellent.
Qoul Wan Rite on, yea the fg knot is the best leader knot, I like the uni to uni also it works well but the fg is more low profile and goes thru the guides well, it took me like 5 trys when I first watched how to tie it but it is a great knot, like a Chinese finger trap
It's awesome, what species do you fish for?
Qoul Wan large mouth bass but I enjoy catching any kind of fish, I'm a bass angler at heart tho
Also,Lol @ all the keyboard kings that have to make comment about spelling or pronunciation as bet they knew either way lol.
I'm new to using florocarbon leader material. would the Palomar be good for 50lb florocarbon leader?
i grew up using the trylene knot but just recently learned how to tie a palomar knot and although the trylene knot is second nature to me now from using it so much my whole life i gotta say palomar knot would be much easier for first timmers to learn and it works better with braided line too
heard others say the same about fc and palomar being a bad combination. I also have not had a problem with it. I usually use a slightly heavier fc leader directly tied to a thinner copolymer mainline. that line to line connection is where it usually breaks for me.
favorite knot. Because it's fast when I want to change colors. When it does break on a fish, I know it's on me 99% of the time.
This was an excellent reminder! Thank you for the terrific video, well done!
This so much, use a palomar most of the time and never have an issue. Paying attention to the knot as you tie it will make it a versatile and strong knot.
Does it matter whether you do the overhand knot around the front in through the back or around the back in through the front?
Also does it matter whether you put the hook/swivel in through the front or back of the loop towards the end of the knot?
I use the shark 🦈 knot [Mark Zonas] knot