How to tie a Palomar Knot for Fishing (and avoid mistakes most anglers make!)
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- With the double strand through the eye, learning how to tie a Palomar knot properly creates one of the strongest knots in fishing.
Tying it properly also helps that legendary strength stand up to more punishment than knots that only have a single strand of leader or fishing line passing through the eye.
So why don't more anglers tie on their flies using a Palomar knot? After all, it isn't much harder to tie than an overhand knot...
Probably a major reason is that the various diagrams and demos often miss out the important little moves that stop things getting tangled up with the fur and feathers of a fly. Also, as with any knot, knowing how to properly tighten down the Palomar knot without spoiling the construction of the knot - or damaging the line - are important details.
John Pearson uses this knot almost exclusively to attach the flies to his tippet and leaders. He also uses it in many other branches of fishing too.
It's an essential tool to have in your armoury - whatever brand of fishing you enjoy. Here, he demonstrates how to make sure you can even included it in your fly fishing.
Paul
The Palomar knot is the absolute best and strongest knot! I’ve fished all over and caught some big fish and never has the palomar knot failed me. I would never bet against the palomar knot!!
Well, I will definitely practice this over Christmas!
I beg to differ with you because I wish for all of us to learn, picked up a suffix hard mono 0.35mm and did a test where I purposely made sure not to cut through the mono when tying the knot and dressed it beautifully like you did and it snapped 4/5 times against having the loop go over the hook and the whole knot making a fliiped figure 8, then slowly pulling down each line alone, first the mainline then pulling the tag end then moistening the knot before cinching it down.
I appreciate your effort from 1 angler to another, but I am putting a prize of 100$ publically here for someone to prove to me that your way of having the loop between the knot and the hook is better than the gauranteed take it to the bank Palamor knot with the loop going over the hook and the knot then cinching it down.
That's really interesting and puzzling - because over half the time when John (in the video) deliberately pulls for a break in his palomar - tied as in the demo - the line actually snaps somewhere else than at the knot itself. Thanks for contributing to the discussion and sharing your findings (and for the prize money offer!). Paul
Palomar is a great knot. Try the Pitzen with doubled line. You may be surprised.
Cool - I'll have to give it a go (a regular Pitzen is already one of my favourites!). Paul
Great segment on knots as I have been away from fishing for over 12yrs this has brought me and refreshed my memory of knots back to me and give me confidence in my own knots
That's not a Palomar knot. Why do folks try and overcomplicate things? Not sure what that mess was he ended up with. But it wasn't a Palomar knot.
I'm sorry to fact check the comment - but if your Palomar knot doesn't end up like the one in the video... it's not a Palomar knot. I'm also curious as to what is complex about tying an overhand knot in a loop of line and then putting the hook through the loop?
Sure is
There's always some clown.
yea it is
I just started fishing
Thanks for guide 👍
No problem 👍
I’ve always been shown to let the loop slide DOWN the line, with the loop stopping at the top, not the bottom.
Interesting.
I don't think it matters either way .
I am so confused about this simple knot.. a lot of people say under no circumstances pull it like you did, but rather after pulling hook through let the big loop come all the way over the TOP of the overhand knot. Ie let the loop lay along the main standing line above the overhand and then cinch it down so the big loop tightens down on top of the overhand.. then I see others cinch it up from below the overhand knots as you have done here...
All I can say is, doing it this way in tippet means that (as often as not) when you pull for a break, the tippet will snap somewhere else than the knot (in other words, the knot is no longer the weakest part of the line)
I love this knot. I lost a big fish when a "blood knot" failed on me, this one never has. Thanks for showing me a better way to do it
You're very welcome Andy and cheers for the positive feedback :) Paul
The improved Palomar knot and the double uni knot are stronger. Another good one is the double pitzen.
double uni knot is just sligtly stronger but it is very bulky knot ant only for thin lines
Double san diagonal jamm knot
just fantastic you present things very well and clearly thanks for taking the time and trouble to do these uploads.Much appreciated.
This is a great tip as when using it as part of a Rufus knot, it is the most difficult part to get right !
just do the knots
@@alphabob12000 And they say TikTok is ruining attention span 🤪😂
The "Double Uni" real good knot.
I was dragging logs in with this knot yesterday, line will break first for sure
Nice Dylan!
Just started watching your videos. I'm loving them and loving your teaching vibe. Thanks!
Really glad you're finding them useful and thank you for letting me know that we're doing something right for you. Paul.
I've done the test and double uni beats it.. On this planet anyway..
Fascinating. Just out of interest, when you tie just a Palomar and pull for a break, whereabouts is the line breaking?
great detail 👏 thank you 😊
Cheers Paul!
5:25....Double Pitzen is stronger. This test has been done! How much money have you lost in 2 years?
None so far, but would be very glad to in exchange for a stronger knot 😊
@@FishingDiscoveries ua-cam.com/video/OafzD5XjPGc/v-deo.html
Your explaining it far more complicated than necessarily.
Put a loop through the eye of the hook, tie an overhand knot, snug the knot to the eye, slip the hook through the loop and draw it tight. Simple.
If you tighten a Palomar knot as you describe (especially using fine tippet) you're almost certain to damage the line and lose a massive amount of the breaking strain. People experiencing knot failure as a result of following the steps you describe are the exact reason for making this video. If the line you're using is thick enough to not suffer any noticeable weakness, then keep doing what you're doing; for everyone else, the detail in the video might help diagnose the problem and give a solution.
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Unfortunately, I don’t fly fish, I could never get the back of it. I am in the deep deep south of Louisiana and do a lot of catfishing and bass. So I don’t use a tippet, whatever that is?
@@burtonedwards2120 You're good to go then 😃
Perfect tip! Thanks for the share.
Glad it was helpful!
No so easy on a size 16.
I'm curious as to how so AW? Unless you are using tippet that is so thick you can't thread it twice through the hook-eye...but then again, because you preserve more of the breaking strain of the tippet, so you can use thinner line for the same strength. Once threaded, it's actually easier to stroke all the parts of the knot forward over the hook when that hook is small - compared to a big hook (perhaps with a big fly dressed on it too). Paul
Super ! Merci
de rien! Paul
Stop yaking and show the dang knot. I got tired of trying to understand half the stuff he said that didn't matter. Just tie the knot.
The point of the video is to help make informed choices on which knot (and how to avoid pitfalls). There's a clue to that content where the thumbnail says "in depth analysis". Shorter vids of ours would probably include words like "fast demo" or similar for the quick-hit versions.
On that theme, there are probably hundreds of "quick demo" videos for Palomar knots on UA-cam, so if you need to know how the basics of tying it (whether or not you know/think you should use it) - then one of those videos would probably help you out right now.
On the other hand, if your Palomar fails on you, it might be worth digging in to some of those small details to see whether it's the knot itself or how you're tying it.
Tight lines,
Paul
Great knot but the Uni Knot is stronger
...not in my tests (by a long way) but that's why it's good to have different options to suit everyone's tying style.
Palomar is stronger by a long shot. That said, I tie uni knots most of the time and always double uni for attaching mono leaders to braid.
@@bluesetter4204 palomar and fg are both better options.
Double Uni is competitive, not so much a single uni.
The Palomar will often NOT be the break point.
No knot is stronger than that (though another may equal that).
@@bluesetter4204Double Uni trough the eye beats Palomar by a long shot in my test.
You tied the same loop that u said wasn't right...smh
I'm struggling to understand why you're shaking your head Keith - Of course he tied the same loop (it's the same knot after all). The point is how to avoid spoiling your Palomar by tightening it incorrectly (and how stroking everything forward in front of the fly/hook solves that). Paul
@@FishingDiscoveries o ok