@@l0uisinana Oh, I know! When he first responded I thought he was being facetious, but it quickly dawned on me that he actually knew and I laughed even more!
I think Mat overlooked the most important detail of those Immortal & the Restless scenes: the vampire says the baby isn't his, when we see that the child is obviously his and looks like him. The same way Michael looks like William. He just hated his son for what he did, and wants to believe he isn't his own.
Every single time someone uses the Immortal and the Restless as a reason that Mike isn't Willy A's son makes me so mad for that reason, the entire show goes out of its way to say that the baby is clearly a vampire too ( thus probably Vlads kid)
Yes, definitely agree with this!! And thank you for explaining the reason why William doesn’t want to acknowledge Mike as his son, I was stumped on that but your reasoning makes so much sense! :D
39:37 To clear up the "Is Michael really an Afton" thing, right here on Elizabeth Afton's page, it says "There are hints that *Michael* was following his *father's* instructions when he went to Circus Baby's Entertainment and Rental.." I think this further confirms Michael is an Afton, since Mat seems to be forgetting that in The Restless and Immortal, while Vlad claims the baby isn't his, it *clearly* is. That's the point of the show, Vlad is lying. This also makes it all the more *weird* that Michael doesn't have a page when he's literally MENTIONED here on Elizabeth's. So clearly they didn't want to reveal something about Michael, probably either to avoid a massive lore drop or confirmation, which I personally think is lame since some clarity never hurts.
The only reason I could think of would be that Michael *is* William's son but doesn't have the same last name, maybe because William divorced his wife and Michael went with her as a part of it? split custody would also be possible and I feel like it's something worth looking into, although I don't know how much credit it'll hold on further inspection.
What stands out to me about Mike/Michael not having a page is that there is one empty "space" right after Gregory. It would have been so easy to have one more character page, not to mention that it feels like something is missing. With so many obscure characters, why leave Mike/Michael out? His absence speaks volumes.
@@tadstrange1465 Trash and the Gang are on page 192. I was wondering if something should be on page 222, reading top to bottom after Gregory's section. It feels like they could have included another character page. I don't have the book in front of me, but is there anything after Gregory's pages on 220-221?
@@erinmccombe6214 well, he did briefly show the end of the book, there seems to just be like 2 posters (like foxy "not responsible for lost items, yarr" thingie, and some other one, and then just like credits or something, nothing of substance, nor empty pages if there WERE empty pages, then it sure would be pretty credible theory, where later on you could just print out the missing page and glue it in place, lol
The time for the MatPat's Game Theory: The Grand FNAF Timeline is almost upon us. Haven't been this excited for a FNAF video ever since the good ol' days
Under Orville's description it describes how fondly Mr Hippo talks of Orville, while Orville says nothing of Mr Hippo, saying they might not be such great friends after all. This could be a parallel to William Afton's and Henry's relationship, with William just being jealous of all Henry did with robotics, and Henry seeing William as an old friend. They also have the same purple and orangey yellow colors that William and Henry are associated with. Edit: Timestamp: 49:56 Edit: Another observation: Although their colors seem to be reversed, Orville Elephant is wearing a purple top hat and flower, while Mr Hippo wears an orange flower. Regardless of their colors, the parallels are too noticeable to ignore.
but that wouldnt make much sense seeing as thou Orville would be henry and Mr hippo would be william. it would make more sense if the roles were reversed wouldnt it?
@@krowthecorvid1315 Henry’s and William’s colors seem to be used interchangeably as William is also implied to be the mustard man/orange guy. Although William is more often interchangeable than Henry, as Henry is usually just consistently orange and grey. Edit: Another possibility is that those colors are just symbolic of their relationship as a whole, and aren’t meant for specifically one person. This would explain William being depicted as both purple and orange at different points, and Henry being depicted as both grey and orange.
Would you say that another theory could be like how William tries to cancel out henry from his life like purple cancels out orange It may just be the colors but that’s what I’ll suggest
I originally didn't clock Mike not being in the encyclopedia. The one that jumped out to me was the fact that Fredbear himself isn't in the book. Sea Monkey Bonnie is there but not the animatronic that BITES THE CRYING CHILD?!
@@kluevo you're not dumb just misunderstanding. Fredbear and Freddy Fazbear are different aninatronics. Fredbear is a yellow springlock suit/animatronic that bites the crying child where as Freddy Fazbear is a brown animatronic frontrunner for the gang. Fredbear is a very important animatronic and I'm surprised/curious why they aren't included.
The fact that Michael isn’t there absolutely jumps out at me. That coupled with the fact that they go out of their way in the Guide to raise some doubt as to Henry’s last name, plus the fact that Matpat talks about how much Henry and Willam look alike in the graphic novels, and finally the picture of the “Emily’s” in the Guide with the two kids… Perhaps he’s right about “The Immortal and the Restless”… Maybe Michael has been Henry’s son and Charlotte’s brother this whole time. That would explain the weird family dynamic and why Michael calls William “father”, but through Vlad, William says that Michael isn’t his son. Plus if Henry disappeared after Charlotte was killed and that is indeed one of the earliest events in the timeline, Michael would’ve had to go somewhere and (if there is no mom in the picture) going to live with an Uncle would be a next logical step. It would also explain why William went to such great lengths to protect Elizabeth and the Crying Child (though both attempts failed), but ultimately had no qualms sending Michael down to CBPR to find Elizabeth, knowing how dangerous that would have been. But it wouldn’t explain how Michael would seem to be older than Charlotte, unless her death just happened so early that he was that young as well and just grew up before everything else in the games happened. And I was always under the impression, or maybe just made the assumption, that Crying Child was older than Charlotte and would have known her or at least knew of her. But then we’ve never seen anything in this series that implies they would have known or encountered each other in life… I know I don’t have the answers, but just something to think about. It’ll be interesting to see how this all plays out.
The main issue I have with the whole Michael isn't Williams son is that the animatronics recognise Michael as William because of how similar they look and how Michael himself calls that out. It just feels like a detail that's really hard to work out of the picture
I would also say that by the time William sent Michael to find Elizabeth he was at least 6 dead children deep into his crazy. He might have thought that anything that happened to Micheal could be fixed or had an idea about what Baby would do. Would it matter if Mike died if he was with Elizabeth? To us, yes,but to William might not be thinking that way.
"But it wouldn’t explain how Michael would seem to be older than Charlotte, unless her death just happened so early that he was that young as well" OKAY WHAT IF LIKE.... this makes no sense but what if Mike _is_ an Emily and was Charlie's twin? I'm kinda confused with how the whole Sammy thing ended but what if in that photo Charlie is with Michael? I'm just losing my mind at the idea that Michael could not be an Afton after all, plus DUDE THIS IS SO WELL WRITTEN your whole idea was explained so well and I agree so much, love the way you thought of it
What interests me after seeing this is that Michael isn’t the only one without a page. None of the security guards are mentioned, including Mike and Jeremy (who’s special enough to get the “Remember Jeremy” lines in FNAF VR). Tape girl isn’t listed either, or Cassidy. So key characters and even some playable characters are left out. I wonder why they weren’t included. Love these videos, Team Theorist!❤
maybe because they dont have a 3d model in game? cassidy maybe is just a overfiltered picture of someone that they include and arent exactly permitted of dont want to name them for some reason
@Filled_With_Envy Henry is animatronic? Gregory and Vanessa, both listed as human, are animatronics? Elizabeth, separate from her listing of Circus Baby, is animatronic? The Crying Child is an animatronic?
@@tumblingstarmoonchild how has nobody said stepson before? That's a really good explanation. Micheal's last name could be different but he still sees William as his father. While William doesn't completely see him as his son ("the baby isn't mine"). And then Micheal is biologically related to crying child and Elizabeth
I love that Ash and Mat point out how weird the crying child's fears are since he is afraid of animatronics but not the plushies of the same characters. BUT as someone who is leery of animatronics and suits of that nature in general (probably thanks to FNaF), yeah, it tracks. Human-sized things are scary, tiny plush versions are not. Brains are weird.
It didn't seem that weird to me cause when I was a kid I loved barney the purple dinosaur but one time someone gifted me a giant (for 3 year old me at least) barney plush and my parents had to hide it cause I was scared of it. Kids fears are weird man
@@danielasosa4964 Me too. I loved Barney and other mascot characters. But the moment I saw a mascot costume in real life I was just struck with fear and would run away crying. It's just child brains being child brains
It's not weird though, I'm just surprised Mathew Pathew didn't think of it though. What I mean is that (and for clarity I'm actually making a hypothetical here) Little kid sees another kid get vored and gored by a big machine and suit combo with the appearance of a lovable Mascot. Along with the size difference (the kid in the mini games doesn't cower from the corner crew) if you get forced into a building with a different companies mascot character with the same machine suit combo model used for the one that gave the kid trauma the kid still would be affraid because it isn't the mascot that's terrifying it's the insides.
It's like a kid loving a teddy bear but being terrified of a literal grizzly bear... because grizzly bears are capable of killing you and the teddy bear isn't.
can vouch for this too; love garfield a lot, but when my family took me to an event where there was people in garfield and oodie costumes, i noped the fuck out. children brains are especially weird when it comes to drawing arbitrary lines
One thing about the "Michael is not an Afton" theory is that isn't Michael supposed to have an uncanny resemblance to William? The animatronics keep confusing him for William, and that's why they attack. Kind of hard for kid to look so much like their adopted parents, no? Unless William specifically picked him up because the child looks like him... now that'd be weird
And yet, William and Henry *do* apparently look uncannily similar in their youth. There's always the radical out-of-left-field possibility that they're brothers/cousins. Similar genetics. So Michael might resemble William anyways.
@DisgruntledArtist i personally think henry and william looking similar was just bad design from the graphic novel team and it doesn't hold up in the games, specially now that henry was given another design in the new encyclopedia. however if they're really twins with the same genes, what if michael is actually henry's son? that would explain michael's resemblance to william, and why william says that's not his son when the mother says that it is for sure his. maybe she cant tell them apart. though, why would ms. afton have a child with henry, claim it's william's, and then have two more kids? why would william keep a business with the man who had a son with his (presumable) wife? unless he "gets over" the He Is Not My Son thing and raises michael anyway while still resenting him for being henry's child. i dont know. this is just a theory.a GAME theory. thanks for reading
what if Mike = Wiliam what if, Mike is a robot? what if, Mike is a robot version of a teen/young-adult of Wiliam and somehow "find" his own name. That explain why he is calling William father, and explain why he got scooped and lived, and being hollow and lived. P.S. idk the full theory of FNAF and my theory might crash with other "facts"
Ok wait. Can he be adopted, and look like William (JUST to the animatronics) because of the last name and because they were both potentially night security guards in similar uniforms? They thought "I was you" because he's in the same uniform and job, and they'd be able to see his last name in their database or on his uniform
I think the reason they haven't included Michael is because it would break everything. Revealing/confirming literally anything at all about him would prove/disprove too many theories, especially since it's believed we play as him in all of the main games up to Pizza Sim. He's like the cornersoten of the whole FNAF storyline, and since we are always playing from his perspective, confirming anything about him would make the story lose most of the mystery.
@@cacah243 Where was it confirmed that we play as C.C. in Fnaf 4? It says the Crying Child is in Fnaf 4, but that might just be talking about the minigames
One thing to notice is in Vanessa/Vanny's page, the subtitle says "Giving you a false sense of security", and in the Security Puppet's page, it says "Definitely gives you a false sense of security", which might have some very interesting connection...
Very interesting that Charlie is listed as human in the book as well even though we all know she’s a robot. I feel like this book is simultaneously helpful and confusing things. It’s like Scott wants to keep things secret but is fine explaining other things. I also really like the idea of Micheal going to a church to talk to a priest after sister location 😂thank you for that ash
But at the same time they seem to be only referring to the Charlie that was killed and is the puppet. The only mention of robot Charlie is the quote about an alternate Charlie who survived (the robot). So technically, this Charlie in the character book is the human that died, not the robot who was her replacement.
The entry is misleading because it uses art from the graphic novels, which leads you to believe that they're talking about that version. But the entry is specifically about the game Charlie, who's only human before she merges with the Puppet. The only actual mention of Book Charlie is when they just lie about her in the very end.
Very interesting that Charlie is listed as human in the book as well even though we all knew she was a robot. I feel things. It's like Scott wants to keep things secret but is explanation of other things. I already like the idea of Michael's going to a church to talk to a preceptor sister location thanks you for that ash
@@laurensmith8697 yet they use the book art of her where she is a robot. Elizabeth afton got new unique art so why not draw some new unique art for Charlie as a child before she was killed
I always interpreted the slight color change in "I will put you back together" as William breaking character slightly, not being able to hold himself together fully as he says his final words to his dying child. Trying to comfort him as he dies but also make a promise. It's probably not that deep.
ive always thought about it like that! in the first two lines, he’s putting up a front, trying not to seem weak and comfort his child but eventually he himself, breaks, and there’s a crack of emotion in his last sentence as he puts his child to rest, promising to bring him back
I find it very interesting that Balloon Boy is labeled as "anamatronic humanoid" while there are other characters listed as "anamtronic human" it is very strange why that difference is made
I feel like the reason Michael isn't mentioned in the book is maybe that he wrote it? The way it's written almost seems like someone making an encyclopedia for themselves to put everything they know down into words to remember and figure out
Kinda like the survival log book. I like that idea. If Michael’s the main character writing down what he’s learned he wouldn’t write about himself. Nice theory.
I must correct you, as I have made it my duty to correct any misspelling of “Michael” that I see. Michael is spelled “Michael,” Nobody has ever said “Micheal”. THIS IS MICHAEL AFTON, ONE OF THE MOST MAJOR CHARACTERS No, Michael’s Craft Store is not spelled Micheal. (This goes for any other brand with the name Michael in it). No, your phone doesn’t autocorrect Michael to Micheal on its own, you have to spell it incorrectly many times for it to begin doing that. And finally, no, MICHEAL IS NOT A REAL NAME
I don't think so. Because how would he know about the characters of the books and the different skins os animatronics in Fnaf Ar (that Im pretty sure is not cannon)
One thing I’d like to add to the whole “Mike maybe not Afton?” discussion is while the Immortal And The Restless constantly talks about “va, he’s not my son” it’s very clear that the baby is most certainly related to the father. Probably nothing but I’d thought I’d throw it out there in case
@@MoonyFBM I saw a theory in a different comment that Michael is like Charlie in the way that he died and was remade into a robot by William. It would explain why the Vlad keeps repeating that the baby isn’t his because the baby (aka Michael) is a robot
Just an idea I got from this: Maybe Mike is his son but after he resulted in his brothers death, William somewhat disowned Mike out of ange refering to him no longer as his son due to the pain he inflected on him with his actions.
I think the "he's not my son" has more to do with William hating and disowning Michael after he killed Evan. Because in that same game Sister Location the animatronics confuse you for William. And that's been a possibility in Fnaf 1 and 2 as well.
I think the he'd not my son has more to do with William hating and disowning Michael after he killed Evan. Because in that same game sister Location the animatronics confuse you for William. And thats been a possibility in FNAF and 2 as well.
Edit: I apologise for the miniature war I managed to start below me with my idiocy. With the amount of people tactfully correcting me (bar one, who is most definitely a Twitter Keyboard Warrior due to the lack of courtesy), it’s safe to say I’m just a dumbass. I’ll keep this comment up so anyone can see the context of the replies below me. Please don’t argue though, I’m wrong, most of you are right. Original comment: I’m sorry to be that sort of person, but Ash prefers They/Them pronouns. I’m just gonna let you know before someone tells you this in a less polite fashion. Once again, sorry.
@@memelord3986 I heard in one of the comments sections that Ash uses she/they? Not completely sure but would be glad if someone checked. I'd check but idk where to start.
@@Saphia_ Possible, I've only ever seen them referred to they/them in the videos and that's what people were saying when Ash first joined the channel was they/them.
The thing about the Immortal and the Restless is that while Vlad keeps saying "he's not my son!" the mom always points out big reasons why Vlad is absolutely the father. So maybe the takeaway from the soap opera isn't that Mike isn't an Afton but that his mom isn't Afton's wife. Afton refusing to acknowledge Mike is less that he isn't the father but because Mike represents some of Afton's past mistakes.
To be fair, Clara never says "it's OUR son". She says "it's YOUR son, you need to be part of YOUR son's life", BUT THEN she says "he is your son [because] you're the only vampire I've ever loved" and Vlad says "[eating a cat] sounds like something he got from your side of the family" which would imply it's her kid too. It's really confusing
The hardest part about this is distinguishing between false information and genuine lore drops, cause we know it has BOTH, but like you gotta take everything with a massive grain of salt here.
The thing Matt keeps ignoring in the Immortal and the Restless, is that the vampire is clearly just lying to avoid the responsibility of raising his son and Clara goes to more and more drastic measures to try and make him. If anything, this indicates that Michael IS his son, but William neglects him due to his depression after the bite of 83 and maybe even stopped considering Michael his son, but Michael is still Michael AFTON. He's probably not in the encyclopedia because confirming which games he is in would be a huge reveal for this book and that should be saved for a game
not only does michael call william his father,mike also has the english accent AND he mentions that the animatronics were mistaking him for william,which means that michael and william look pretty much alike. which would be kinda hard to do if mike wasnt his actual son.
@your_daily_reminder_to_smile In 8-bit? Correct me if im wrong but we only ever mike in 8-bit and In 8-bit william is already purple so when Mike turned purple of course they're going to look the same. Yes william is in the graphic novel but micheal is not and those may not be properly cannon to the games anyway so I don't think we have any way of proving they look the same.
Oh, egg baby is a literal representation of the animatronics who capture children. The big one is the animatronic, the little one is the child, and the red ball is the soul juice thing. Neat
timestamps for when he talks about the pages: frontcover/photoshop- 3:15 firstpages- 8:00 content- 11:44 blacklight freddy- 17:02 party freddy- 19:32 arctic ballora- 20:56 MUSIC MANNNN- 21:28 the blob/burntrap- 22:25 gregory- 30:47 posters/backcover- 33:48 vannesa/vanny- 34:02 henry (emily?)- 36:22 human heads?- 41:03 egg baby- 42:47 little joe- 44:13 magician- 44:55 mediocre melodies- 45:46 nedd bear- 48:17 roxanne wolf- 50:02 phantom puppet- 52:52 shadow puppet?- 53:27 nightmarionne- 55:59 security puppet- 56:18 balloon boy- 56:25 eleanor- 58:39 charlotte emily- 59:47 crying child- 1:02:31 the stichwraith- 1:06:24 bidybab/electrobab- 1:08:36 ballora- 1:11:08 micheals not here?- 1:13:17 i hope someone atleast finds this useful 🤍 hope anyone reading this is having a great day and make sure to look after yourself xx
You can’t tell me the crying child artwork in this book doesn’t look almost identical to Gregory… even the detail of the bandage on the crying child’s knee while Gregory has one on his face
In regards to Mike calling William father. It is also common in stories for a creation to refer to their creator as father. Mike may have always been a robot and never a human. He's like Frankenstein's monster. Or a more twisted take could be after crying child died, Henry 'revived' him as an animatronic the same way he did Charlie in the books. Which explains him calling William father, but also the "He's not my son!" lines.
My only issue with that is that as an animatronic even akin to the puppet who helps people Henry planned an escape for Mike he wouldn't have done that if A he knew he was a robot having created him and B that he had remnant keeping him here.
This could also explain how he didn't die in sister location after getting scooped. I always thought it was weird that he just survives and it was never really explained to my knowledge. Edit: I just checked Michaels voice lines at the end of sister location and they do sound kinda robotic especially when he repeats "I'm going to come find you" one more time at the end. maybe i'm crazy anyone able to explain this away?
@@ScorpionRevengeNCG Does Charlie have remnant in the books? I haven't read them, but maybe some animatronics are A.I and not souls. There were versions of Charlie at different stages of her life that existed at the same time right? They can't all have had her soul in them and must have been A.I to some extent? But I haven't read the book so I could be 100% wrong.
@LagunaX1 I'm not entirely sure but from what I can remember the oldest version of Charlie is 'elanor' which is possessed by the spirit of Elizabeth which would mean that no they don't have remnant but mike is a different story he's unkillable his soul won't move on and is trapped that's the only way he can end up possessing Freddy in security breach. So I think that for this theory to work mike needs to be made with remnant perhaps even being remade first as a prototype before fixing his other son the crying child. I think it's most important to remember that Henry was planning on putting an end to the story of Freddy pizzaria and if Mike died their he would be a known part of the story that should burn like he intended to himself it just doesn't make sense for Mike to be a animatronic. I think the best explanation for everything is just like his father he has an unbreakable will and if anything mike could be considered not Williams son because remember he is the reason Williams son crying child dies that can make a father stop caring about their kid.
I'm surprised that they didn't immediately talked about how much Crying Child and Gregory look alike in here. Sure Crying child looks younger with shorter and darker hair but like, I couldn't help but compare their appearance. They really went with the "lookalike doppelganger" here. First with Afton and Henry looking similar to eachother, to in the games, Michael looks like William. And now we see in official art for Crying Child looks like our newest protagonist, Gregory. Or to say the least, Gregory Looks like Crying Child. Their looks aren't the only thing similar, their outfits also look similar. There are definitely parallels like Matpat said. The cycle and story is definitely repeating.
@@purplemonkfish the bandaid, I purposely overlook, they are kids after all. They get hurt. That actually might tell us that cc might be accident prone. We have a canonical reason for why Gregory has a bandaid, he got hurt/cut while inside of freddy. In fiction tropes, when kids have unexplained bandages, wrappings, or bandaids, it's usually indicative that they clumsy or accident prone, and have the tendency to get injured easily and often. That fact that they choose to show a picture of CC with bandaid on top of all the similarities between is to really hit home that they are mirrors of one another. From their looks, to their outfit, the little detail is there to cement the idea. Similar, down to fine details.
Edit, this mainly use to illustrate small things like small cuts or small bruises, just like as hitting ur knee against the living room coffee table when running. It's one bandaid.
I mean he also mentioned not knowing the Crying Child’s eye color when talking about the human heads but then we get a picture of Crying Child with his eyes open and they’re the same color as Gregory’s
@@DianaGonzalez-sm3iz I'm pretty sure he wasn't even looking at the pictures. I know I felt like checking when I saw CC. Like I said, I'm surprised they didn't point it out, especially with how close together they saw the two pages either they really like the idea that Gregory looks like CC so they made CC look the way they for the fanservice, or they are trying to do something with it. Elizabeth's artwork is also in the same style as CC's. So they have a consistency with that. BTW CC and Gregory's eye color is an extremely rare shade of brown. A heredity trait.
I would like to point out that in the imortal and the restless the child is showed to clearly be Vlad's son with the vampirc traits just like Michael having his father's super natural tendency of staying alive as a corpse and turning purple
Michael is William's illegitimate child. In the Fnaf ultimate guide book is the proof, specifically the Fnaf Sl section. There is a sticky note about the imortal and the restless. To summarize, it basically states that the boy is Vlad's son. It's pretty obvious, but something else stood out. It also calls out the woman to be Vlad's mistress.
As someone who had worked as a mascotte it is not that weird for little kids to love the plush version but be scared of the suits. When the characters are small they are cute, but at almost 7ft tall they can be a little intimidating. I've had children who were litterally obsessed with the character scream bloody murder when they had to get close for a picture.
So hyped for the timeline theories! No clue why Michael isn't in the book, but I think Michael is an Afton because they're both British lol. And I don't think he's adopted since there's apparently a strong family resemblance between them ("They didn't recognize me at first, but then... they thought I was you."). Also, I don't think The Immortal and the Restless is saying Michael isn't William's son, just that William was neglectful. It's clear in the show that the baby _is_ Vlad's son. He has all these vampire characteristics that could only have come from Vlad, but Vlad continues to deny it even though it's obvious. I think The Immortal and the Restless is about a father refusing to acknowledge his son, not that the baby _isn't_ his son.
Maybe William BELIEVED Michael wasn't his son for whatever reason? Believing his wife had an affair or something of the like. Despite all the evidence to the contrary.
Maybe he was, but maybe most of the Fandom got it wrong. There is a possibility that Micheal is the Bite Victim rebuilt. Pay attention to the line "I will put you back together..."
We've been assuming that them mistaking Mike for William means they have a family resemblance, but I think that's wrong. They only mistake him for William after time passes. In other words, after he turns purple...
Maybe the thing with immortal and the restless isn't so much saying that Micheal isn't Williams son, but maybe it more so symbolizes the disowning of him post fnaf 4? Since a whole theme throughout immortal and the restless is that Vlad SAYS the baby isn't his, but it very clearly is. Either way still weird Micheal didn't get a page
I've always been so curious about Ballora. Whether it be the allusion to her being Mrs. Afton, her eyes-closed design, or the song she sings. Everything about her feels so deliberate and yet nothing about her directly points to a connection to another character or moment. However, I do have some thoughts on her design and how that could connect to her being an allusion/ recreation of Mrs. Afton. It's always struck me as odd that none of the books or games talk about what Mrs. Afton is feeling or thinking during any point of the timeline. You never hear her say anything, she's never mentioned, heck she doesn't even have a name in a game that gives proper names to just about every little creation. But putting myself into her shoes, having lost a daughter, her youngest son is traumatized and hospitalized, I'd be pretty closed off and despondent too. I wouldn't be in a place to notice my husband (William) going off to places at strange times, spending hours in the garage working on god knows what. I may even be deliberately looking away from his strange activities because I have so many other tragedies on my mind, I don't need another one to add to that. You could say I'd close my eyes and allow myself to be blind to all the other things around me. Which leads me to the song she sings: "Why do you hide inside your walls, When there is music in my halls? All I see is an empty room, No more joy, an empty tomb. It's so good to sing all day, To dance, to spin, to fly away." The first line refers to him spending all his time in the garage and or otherwise out of the house. Even if she's deliberatly ignoring WHY he's spending all of his time away, she would obviously notice it on the surface level and want her husband's support during this extremely hard time. The second line makes me feel like Mrs. Afton is both wondering why he's out when she needs his support, but this line could also be her trying to tell William that she is there to support him too since they're also his kids. The third and fourth line are of course referencing Elizabeth's empty room and the general depressive episode the entire family is going through because of that and their son's hospitalization. The last two lines may seem like a strange departure from the otherwise cohesive narrative, but this ties back into the closed eyes in her design. I think this is pointing to the fact that Mrs. Afton mentally couldn't handle the tragedy of her two children's fates, especially without the support of her husband so they could help each other through it. So instead, she disassociates herself from them, figurtively flying away from her problems. And since this is William making these recreations, all of these things make sense, since he has the motivation to recreate his family as animatronics and obviously knows his wife and how she dealt with the tragedies of their children. So when you combine the two, you get an animatronic that laments over events and has knowledge of things in a perspective that really could only be that of Mrs. Afton. I know for a while Matt was into this idea, he had a similar analysis of the song in one of his Sister Location theories, but it feels like he's moved away from this idea. (Loose ends: I also think the fact that she has the Minireenas, which couls easily be seen as Ballora's children, supports this. But then again, Baby has the Biddybabs and Electrobabs too. But then AGAIN again, it's interesting that it's the two recreation characters of Ballora and Baby that are the ones with smaller more child-like counter parts, and that Funtime Foxy has none. But why would Baby, the recreation of his young daughter Elizabeth, have children? The Minireenas and Babs are curious cases in their own rights. And then on a separate issue, if Vlad is an allusion to William in The Immortal and the Restless, then would Vlad's wife be an allusion to Mrs. Afton? But this goes against the whole idea of Mrs. Afton having closed herself off from the world because the wife in the show is very confrontational and willing to bring up the issues to Vlad. The Immortal and the Restless is confusing/ contradicting point for a lot of theories it seems...)
Sounds all great to me c: I will say that (I have no idea obvi but) the Vlad thing could be a matter of timeline-if she only closed off after the tragedies, then she could still have been a fireball shortly after the kids’ birth
Vlad's wife might be a reference to William's delusional psyche. From his viewpoint, Ballora is silent on the matter and doesn't try to remedy the following issues, but in actuality, she already tried to stop him from doing it, and he in his head, he sees it as her not wanting to support in fixing his family. To William, his family would be fixed if he fixed them, but his wife instead tells him to forget and move on, to shut his eyes from how broken his family becomes because of him.
i feel like the thing with michael is that maybe he got “disowned” by william. after causing his little brother’s death its possible that william was so furious with him that he simply refuses to accept him as his son anymore. michael still calls him his father (either in a biological context or him trying to keep his familial relationship) but william no longer wants to associate with him, saying “you’re not my son”.
you know what i like about matpat's enthusiasm when he sits on the couch making the content we watch ? you can tell he's enjoying it. his smile makes you smile.
I feel the need to point out Henry’s entry in this book. I had to go to google and search some things to be sure I had everything right, and I really think that this page explains the Midnight Motorist mini game from Pizzeria Simulator. As MatPat said, in the books Henry has twins, Sammy and Charlotte, but the twist is that Charlotte was the one that was kidnapped and Sammy never existed. However, in the books it is confirmed via a newspaper article that Henry did in fact have twins and therefore Sammy Emily did exist. The family photo of Henry says “Once upon a time…” implying that this was what his life looked like at one point. Sammy was real, and he was kidnapped by William Afton. In Midnight Motorist, there are footprints outside the window reminiscent of Glitchtrap’s, or whatever the first Spring Bonnie suit looked like, and tracks leading away from the house. That’s Henry’s house, the person in the chair watching television is Henry’s wife, the boy who locked his door is Sammy, and the Orange guy is Henry. Charlie isn’t there because she is supposed to be at a party but is instead being murdered by Afton and fusing with the puppet. Midnight Motorist is called “Later That Night” in the game’s code after all. I’ve been a believer in the Orange Guy being Henry theory since the Game Theory on that topic but I really think this book proves it. Look at Henry’s shirt on his page in the encyclopedia. It’s orange. Just as William Afton is always associated with purple, this is Scott Cawthon using color to establish connection. This hit me while watching this and I just wanted to point it out.
And orange is in the opposite spectrum of purple on the color wheel. God that such an obvious paralel to William and Henry, I feel so dumb for never considering Henry as Orange Guy. Legit mind blown moment
I was thinking something similar. That's why Michael would refer to William as "father" because he was raised by William without the knowledge of William kidnapping him at a young age and that would also explain Sammy disappearing without an explanation but being confirmed to be real.
In The Fourth Closet, wasn't it revealed that due to Henry being so obsessed with reviving Charlie, his wife and his son left? So it was never implied that Sammy never existed, he left with his mom. Unless I'm wrong but I'm pretty confident about this
To Ash's comment at 1:05:20 - I actually like having plushes or figurines of things that scare me. By having these things in a softer or smaller form, I feel like they present less of a threat to me, but still embodies the essence of the thing that scares me. So, it's like having a guardian. It also inspires me to face the thing that scares me, and realize it doesn't have power over me unless I let it have that power.
On the point of The Crying Child: Long ago, a friend of mine's little brother really loved Spongebob. He was deeply obsessed with him and would spend all his time watching the show or playing with the toys. For one of his birthdays, it was going to be a surprise to have his older sister dress up as Spongebob and surprise him as a gift. The birthday was going without a hitch and we were all getting ready for the reveal of Spongebob "visiting." Once the moment arrived and she walked in, he went into a panic and started crying. What they thought would've been a wonderful surprise was actually a really terrifying moment for him. It is a bit confusing situation, but there is a strange correlation between younger kids loving a character and being terrified of their real-life counterparts, at least in my experience.
Something to keep in mind about Micheal is he says: "They didn't recognize me at first, but then they thought I was you." On top of that he also has the same Voice Actor as William, so we at least know that biologically he'd have to resemble and sound similar to him. As to if he might not have the last name Afton I'd say it's likely that Maybe Micheals mother had the last name Schmidt and he was given that name at birth?
@Mm Mm Well then, what if he's the result of William cheating instead? It would make sense. His marriage most likely failed at some point, and William is a narcissistic abuser, so he obviously wouldn't blame himself, so maybe that's why he didn't like Mike? Plus it would fit with The Immortal and The Restless, with the kid clearly being Vlad's son, and him denying it.
I'm very passionate about fnaf and its story, so it's pretty upsetting seeing misinformation in a official book, and some major characters just not getting in the book at all.
@@stevenpina1983 a reason ? Like a second one will come ? But it is unreasonable to put like characters like party Freddy instead of putting important or majors characters first . With reason or not ....
@@IvanOhtheexquisite i dont think what they meant was that another one might come but more so that some characters were left out deliberately for lore purposes. for instance michael not being in the book could be a hint that maybe he isnt actually an afton like others have been speculating. sometimes the lack of information being presented is information in and of itself.
If you're talking about the Charlotte line Mat pointed out I think he just misinterpreted it. Imo the line is just weirdly worded but it refers to the robot Charlie as the one who survived childhood so it is correct
Y'know, it's odd that they include all sorts of AR skins and choices like Human Heads, but DJ Music Man is limited to a single name drop on the normal MM page.
As a kid I had Chuck E. Cheese plushes and other items from there. But I absolutely was scared to my bones of the animatronics. Like whenever I walked past the stage and the motion sensors or whatever kicked in I cried and ran to my parents. So I relate and think it’s pretty common for a child to like something and be scared of it especially with animatronics. Because on one hand ones a miniature plush and on the other ones bigger, taller, metallic, and taller with a lot of realistic features that do scare kids.
OH this just occurred to me!!! Remember the Candy Cadet stories about piecing a bunch of broken things into another whole? Isn’t that kinda reflected in Gregory destroying the other Glamrock animatronics to upgrade Freddy with their parts?
the caveat to that is that it was always specifically 5 things fused into 1 and there were only four glamrocks, well excpet for bonnie but he wasn't present
@@newthejsterjacob408 hm… this is true… would it be too much of a stretch to say that in the good ending where vanny and vanessa are “separated” would count as two more?
I love the idea of William Afton being a priest, Michael Afton in his robot suit, sitting in a booth, saying "Father, It's me, Michael. I've come to find you." Something about that is so hilarious.
Curiously, the "game appearances" don't list FNAF World for any character (as far as I can tell). Especially notable for Old Man Consequences which specifically calls our FNAF World in the description yet still omits it from the list.
Did you notice the Crying Child design in his page? we can see his eye color, which is similar to Gregory's, also he has a bandaid on his leg like Gregory, quite a specific detail. I think it enstablishes a connection between them, either literally or simbolic
It looked brown to me! Edit: not disagreeing btw, I’m just saying what I saw on my 40 smth inch TV If anything it makes me agree more lol Edit 2: fixed “gray” bc typos and autocorrect are “helpful”
A weird detail that I noticed It’s that the crying child picture depicts him with a band-aid, just like the one Gregory has. It’s in a different part of the body, but It’s an odd detail to include. Can’t wait to see the new theories!
Yep that’s me! I hate playing scary games or watching scary movies but am fascinated by like horror lore. So I really enjoy watching the FNAF videos and watching the game play (though I might be looking away from screen sometimes) but probably will never actually play the games.
In regards to Michael not being in there to be listed as an Afton, Henry isn't listed as Henry Emily in the title, but they reference that he's been established as Henry Emily in the books. They could have done something similar to that.
I think a theory could be that Michael could be Michael Emily and he is referencing Henry as his father. Also, could be adopted as a brother in Afton family. That would explain why William and Henry look similar and Michael still looks a lot like William.
My personal take on the TV show in sister location is that its supposed be some sort of analogy to William and Michael's relationship. Him saying that he isn't his son makes me think he wants to disown Michael since his son has gone against him and his murderous ways. That's more of a narrative driven theory than anything else, so I could be very wrong Edit: English is hard, pardon me while I clean up my comment
I agree. And I also think it shows that the baby ends up looking like his dad. Michael becomes purple and looks like his father as we hear from Michael in Sister Location. "They didn't recognize me at first, but then they thought I was you..." I also think it could have a potential to be interpreted as the relationship between the now existent mother figure as of Security Breach. We know they had a divorce, so maybe William had an affair and Michael came out of that. That's why he's arguing the baby isn't his, and the wife doesn't buy it.
As Matt goes through this and finds all the interesting little tidbits, I really like that Mr. Hippo talks about a box that he's forgotten about with a very interesting story
This man has an amazing memory, being able to explain events right away and clear enough for a viewer to be able to understand what’s being referenced is bonkers. An impressive mind indeed 🫡
To be fair, he's had to research and reorganize his timeline so many times, practically after each release, that I'd be surprised of he didn't have a good memory about all of it.
One of my biggest concerns with the idea that Evan sees his sister get scooped is that Baby cannot scoop when there are any other children present, there were 4, then 3, then 2, then 1
@777SilverPhoenix777 you can generalize your fear as a child. Bitten by dog -> afraid of all animals can happen. Same with bugs, one bad experience with one you end up fearing them all due to overgeneralization. A giant robot/animatronic killing your sister? Fear of anything that moves and acts like one.
A thing to point out, kind of in relation to Michael not being mentioned here, is that the 'William Afton' page/pages are also a sort of stand-in for 'ScrapTrap' as that was never his official name given in Pizzeria Simulator, in the credits it says 'William Afton' which was the first confirmation of his full name in the games, so this page is as much ScrapTrap as it is William Afton which could possibly explain why Michael wasn't given a 'Description' as he, same with ScrapTrap, wasn't given a name in credits, in the credits of Sister Location there is no 'Michael' or 'Michael Afton', there is just 'Misc' (Short for Miscellaneous). Also in William Afton's 'Game Appearances' it states that he was in FNaF 1 which I don't personally remember him being there (feel free to correct me if he was and I'm forgetting but I thought Purple Guy/William was introduced in FNaF 2) Edit: since this post, I have been informed by my friends multiple time that within the timeline, as the events happen in FNaF 1, William Afton is inside the fake wall in the FNaF 1 location, but that would be assuming that the “Game Appearances” takes timeline events into account which would open up a whole new can of worms that I don’t have the mental capacity to dissect
Afton may have disowned Michael after the bite incident. He can't forgive his son for what happened and shut him out. This would explain the "he's not my son" line. Michael going to Sister Location can be his attempt to earn his father's love back.
I just got the book today and finished reading it. One thing that hints towards Scott not double checking it is how Mangle is gendered, usually Scott uses a mix of pronouns but in this book it's exclusively male pronouns, I don't think Scott would let that pass unless he's finally confirming Mangle's gender after 8 years. Also I'm pretty sure the eyes on the cover page are Springtrap from one of the original fnaf 3 teasers. Edit: another thing, I think Michael not being in the book is because there's to many theories about him (being crying child's older brother, being almost every night guard you play as) that it's impossible to talk about him without it, and this book seems to avoid going deep into theories. And in the Ultimate Guide in the Sister Location section under lore and theories it does specifically say that Michael is William's son (though it's under the heading 'Micheal ... Afton?').
Personally I think the book just wasn’t given any actual attention from what I know it’s likely multiple people worked on different sections and it’s possible they just wanted to crank it out for the excited children
Also the Bon Bon and Bonnet page. In it, Bon Bon uses she/her pronouns (which we all know she is a girl), but then on the next page Bonnet is said to be the FIRST female Bonnie and it's like ????
My hot take is that the entire story is depicted purposefully impossibly vague and all they really do in terms of writing is confirm and disprove theories as they go. The reason Michael isn't in this book is they are waiting for a more definitive theory they like more to confirm it. Same with the name of the crying child etc.
@@goldfishgallant1432 so we're paying like 20$ for nothing but cryptics that we're not even sure *are* cryptics? atleast poppy playtime's NFTs actually provide concrete evidence that we can use for theories instead of some "maybe yes maybe not" nonsense
My only knowledge of this franchise is through these theories, but from my perspective, the Crying Child having the plush but being afraid of the animatronic makes a lot of sense. For me, I've had a general dislike/fear of most full body costumes like you'd see at theme parks (Disney/etc.). This was stronger when I was a kid, but still lingers for some costumes as an adult, so it may be a form of maskophobia. I loved all those characters on TV and owned toys of them, but seeing an adult sized version in person always scared me. For example, I have pictures of me holding a Barney plush contrasted with video of a birthday party where my dad got a Barney costume. I was clinging to an older relative off to the side, and cowered away when he reached over to pat my head.
This book gives me MAJOR FNAF World vibes with its cheesy phrasing. This book did make me realize something... Roxanne and Mangle share parallels: obsession with beauty, yellow eyes, and not being built right.
Also Roxanne has split personality type of thing going on in the game. She has "her own" voice (for lack of better phrasing) and the second voice in her head that bullies her. Mangle in UCN has two voices - a cutesy girly one and a darker static one
In reference to 40:38 when Mat was asking if William and Henry are twins, it could make sense and have an even deeper plot. We know Henry has twins and twins are hereditary. This means that either Henry or his wife have a twin or at least have a history of twins in their family.
given fraternal twins are literally two eggs being ovulated simultaniously, it HAS to be on the woman's side. A man can't magic up extra eggs in his wife after all. That said, media often does play with the twins have twins regardless, it's a trope. But it's not actually scientifically possible for a man to make a woman ovulate more than one egg at a time just by sleeping with her. He'd need fertility drugs for that lol.
Im personally a fraternal twin with a boy (I am a female) and I can say that twins run on my DADS side not my moms. My grandmother is a twin, she had twin girls, and my father (that grandmother's son) had me. Idk about the theory but fraternal twins are hereditary. It doesn't matter if it comes from father or mother as twins don't run on my moms. The other sets are identical we are the special set that are fraternal. Twins can jump generations but we've had 1 set in each generation for us personally.
I've seen a few irregularities in the "encyclopedia", namely in the "Type" field: There is a pretty wide "Animatronic Humanoid" section (with Baby, BB, etc. shaped animatronics), but those looking like Little Joe are under "Animatronic Human". Also, most character known to be in animatronics are classified under "Human" (Even Charlie who if I'm not mistaken is fully robot in the novels, with no human soul), yet Afton is "Human, AT FIRST" Like, bruh, the Crying Child is considered Human, I think it's okay to get Afton under "Human".
Idk, it may be a reference on how many times Afton came back and that part of his conciousness is part of Glitchtrap? Or maybe just saying how he lost his humanity because he's a murderer? None of this makes sense, but for some reason Afton not being classified as fully human didn't stick out as weird to me
If he pauses on Elizabeth’s Entry, it mentions mike as following his fathers orders. It’s most likely that yes mike is a Afton by blood, and it’s going to be important for the movie
@@kightkusahra8456 I see what you’re saying and that’s valid. However imo, the fact that Mike looks so much like William that they mistook him for William at first (I forget the exact quote word for word but I’m sure you know what I’m talking about), I feel like that’s solid support for them being blood related. Idek, the lore is honestly a mess rn and I wouldn’t be surprised if they pulled something like that lol
@@kightkusahra8456 But he also says how the Animatronics thought Michael was William. Implying that Michael looks like how William did when he was younger. Wich makes more sense if he was his biological son.
@@erickamakeeaina1649 let me get this straight you’re gonna take the word of animatronics that are more after not destroyed it mangled or glitching or possessed by might I add children so it’s not like their smart or anything. Also, it’s not that uncommon for two people to look very similar, even to the point of sounding the same and not having any biological connection whatsoever
The one thing I took from this video is that Matpat and Steph like doing puzzles and are doing a 40,000 piece one. I love me some puzzles and watching puzzle content on UA-cam so I am very excited about it.
23:30 "features" can also be used to mean like "stars" as in "stars in" or "appears in". he "features in the ending" means that he is featured or plays a role in the ending.
I read the entire encyclopedia and there are a few character details that stuck out to me so I think it's important to look into them more. And the characters are; Easter Bonnie (Lore Implications) Toy Bonnie (unique details about personality) and Freddy (The handprint)
Confirmation that burntrap is still using the springtrap suit is pretty significant. Nullifies the theory that Glamrock Bonnie was lured to be his new body.
1:14:22 On The Ultime Guide it says "The older son: Michael Afton, AKA, you", so yes, they do call him an "Afton", its weird that its called a fan theory but it also says "This theory seems confirmed by the game" so yeah
Micheal true identity has always been a big question, and I've always been skeptical ever since Mat released the theory about the fnaf 6 motorist mini game house being the Emily house. The fact that he doesn't have a page is very interesting and makes me think. I think Micheal was adopted or something like that into Afton family. If he is truly an Emily, what if after Charlie died, Henry was seen as an unfit parent. We know from the books he got severely depressed and...well you know. In the games we know he still lived up until fnaf 6 to set the restaurant ablaze, but he still could have been depressed and all that, but didn't end it all. Being an unfit parent after Charlie's death would lead to someone close to the Emily's being asked to take care of the remaining child, Micheal. Who else but the Afton's. I think this could also explain why Micheal bullied crying child, which I always thought was weird with how far it went. I think Micheal was jealous. Out of the Afton kids, he was an outsider. With his "Dad", William, constantly saying "The baby isn't mine", I think it's safe to assume that he wanted his "father's" approval. We know for a fact the Elizabeth was the same way. "I will make you proud daddy!" Was her last line in fnaf 6. These are my thoughts on the matter and I would love to hear what others think.
Michael is William's illegitimate child. In the Fnaf ultimate guide book is the proof, specifically the Fnaf Sl section. There is a sticky note about the imortal and the restless. To summarize, it basically states that the boy is Vlad's son. It's pretty obvious, but something else stood out. It also calls out the woman to be Vlad's mistress.
@@FatKratos69 oooh I missed that the 1st time I read that book. An interesting detail, my only hesitation is that Vlad isn't established as married, but that's the same with most of yhis franchises lore lol
@@gigibubblezz Yea i'm kind of confused too, Since Michael is the oldest. But either way it would explain why he acts up. He either doesn't feel apart of the family or fit in.
Well small thing ther a very large age gap (it seems) between all the kids. Crying child and Elizabeth are close it seems in design but William a few years older. We arint given a timeline for when afton starts his family. Also the age gap between the 3 kids seems a lil odd ( 1 kid 4-5 years older then the other 2 that seem at most a year or 2 apart). With the I'm not the father bits he could be ether A) adopted or B) be afton step son from his wife that grew up with afton as his dad and took after him
My idea is that Michael is actually Williams illegitimate son and his wife cheated on him with Henry, which leads to William killing his wife (hence why ballora is afraid of the scooping room) and is why Afton and Henry go from friends/colleague to afton hating Henry. I could be missing info or misplacing events though.
Something I've always wondered, did Scott base Henry off of Henry Clerval from Frankenstein? They're both the level headed voice of reason trying to talk down their mad scientist friend who is seeking a cure to death
I was baffled at the whole crying child part when Matt didn’t even mention that he’s literally Gregory. Same face, same hair, same outfit, even the same Bandaid. Like a canon piece of FNAF might’ve just confirmed Greg-Bot and Matt’s talking about Psychic Friend Fredbear.
I love Ash's theory about William being a former religious leader. It definitely doesn't fit with lore but man I love that Mat was like "No!! No!! I'm not gonna entertain that idea."
The Bidybab discussion just made me realize the fact that one of the first Sister Location teasers is "Sister Location, there was never just one" thought would be something interesting
Regarding the Crying Child's differing attitudes between the animatronics and the plush versions of them - I don't think it's necessarily a discrepancy. There are plenty of kids who may love, say, a movie or cartoon character, but take them to a theme park where costume characters are walking around, and they'll be terrified of them. This doesn't explain everything (e.g. why the other plushes are shoved to the corner, what sets them apart), but it's at least a partial possible explanation. Anyways, thanks for giving us this peek into your thought process as you look at this new content - I'm looking forward to the timeline videos! And I know the FNAF theories can get a lot of flak, so I just want to say, I think it's really cool that the theories you put out aren't just one static thing you stand by forever, but things that you update and adjust as new information comes out or different perspectives are revealed; it shows that for you, it's not about being the one who finds the right answer (though obviously I'm sure you wouldn't /mind/ that), but about the answer itself - the satisfaction of solving the puzzle, even if there are missteps along the way, even if you're not the one who locks in the final piece. Keep up the good work!
When I was younger I had a crazy frog plush, but I could never watch the axel F video because it would cause nightmares. The plush was fine though, because it didn’t move. Theoretically I could take it apart and it wouldn’t hurt me. I couldn’t do that with the video, and my mind would take that as scary. Maybe it’s the same type of theory there.
Yeah the reason Mike doesn't have a page is definitely because there's no way to tell anything "comprehensive" about him without revealing far too much. Even if they said "Oh he's in Sister Location, FNaF 3, Pizzeria Sim" which are the only things we can really consider "confirmed" everyone will immediately say "that means he's NOT in FNaF 1!!" which might not be the case they just don't want to say it yet.
"A happy ending at last" is very interesting to me. This paired with the Family Unit phrase is indeed more than coincidental. I'm sad Matt didn't notice it and further delved into it. The Afton family finally having a happy ending? Feels like that's been the goal of Michael all along and for the Crying Child (Gregory) and Elizabeth(Vanny)? Happiest Day.
So, a couple of thoughts occur to me after watching this video: 1) On the topic of Mike missing from the book, once MatPat brought that up, I realized that it is also missing entries for Jeremy Fitzgerald; Phone Guy; Phone Dude; Tape Girl; Cassidy/The One You Should Not Have Killed; Fredbear; Ella, Theodore, Stanley, and the Twisted Animatronics aside from Wolf; the S.T.A.F.F. Bots; Vlad and Clara; Highschool Anime Chica; Samurai Anime Freddy and Foxy; Chica's Magic Rainbow; Animdude; or the Dreamgeist. I don't know what that means, if anything, but I thought I'd call attention to it. That's a lot of missing characters for something touting itself as a franchise's "official character encyclopedia." Honestly, Phone Guy missing seems like just as a big an omission as Mike. 2) If Mike isn't in fact an Afton like we've all thought he was... Maybe he's actually been an Emily this whole time? He'd still be doing what we all thought he was doing - going around from pizzeria to pizzeria, trying to stop William and clean up his messes - but because he's helping his dad stop his old partner, not to end his own family's murderous past. 3) On a similar note of "What if this person wasn't who we thought they were all along?": If Afton really was trying to recreate Elizabeth as a robot and the Bidybabs are her as a baby... and Circus Baby is roughly her as a child... What if this is what Ballora is? Not Afton's wife, but in fact an attempt at "Adult Elizabeth," as a sort of dark parallel to Adult Robot Charlotte? 4) Also how dare they not give Candy Cadet his own page instead of just shoving him in with the other Vendor Bots? He was the star of Pizzeria Simulator, darn it! 🍬🍬🍬
on №2, i was thinking about Mike being an Emily, but i don't think it works with the eng of fnaf 6. Henry goes out of his way to talk about his daughter Charlotte, but when it comes to the security guard, which we know for a fact is Mike, he just says that although hi had an escape prepared for the security guard, he has a feeling Michael wouldn't want to leave anyway. Which is strange, because if that's his son wouldn't he go out of his way to say how proud he is of him? Idk i'm as confused about this timeline as everyone else.
Michael is William's illegitimate child. In the Fnaf ultimate guide book is the proof, specifically the Fnaf Sl section. There is a sticky note about the imortal and the restless. To summarize, it basically states that the boy is Vlad's son. It's pretty obvious, but something else stood out. It also calls out the woman to be Vlad's mistress.
I caught that too, although in the books Charlie already has a brother and his name is Sammy, Micheal is the book verse too, although he is killed off eliar in the time line
Small thing it could be less complicated he could just be a step son? That fit in with the vampire stuff where the women saying he is ther child (since he takes after his new dad) but the father refusing hes his son. He could be Bayloras son before afton. Would explain why hes so close to his younger children since ther "his"
For you whole Crying Child plushie discussion at 1:05:00, there is a difference from a child seeing a teddy bear, and a child encountering a full grown bear in the wild. Also at 1:15:26, you forget, that the episodes make is apparent that the son *is* his child, via vampire thraits shenanigans, and the father's refusal is made to be almost comedic (depends on your type of humor)
I love Ash's concerned "Who's little Joe" when looking at the table of contents. EDIT: Also, the take of William being a religious figure with the "Father" notion 😆
@@nerdyworld938 well and truly, but we'll still come crawling back when he inevitably changes the entire timeline and completely ignores his temporary bout of insanity. Scott help us....
The section where they were debating if Micheal is really an Afton or not just made my brain go blue screen and I honestly don't know what to feel about it
In Michaels speech to William at the end of ST, he tells him that the animatronics though he was William, implying that they share some physical resemblance, but if William and Henry are brothers or related in some sorts, an uncle and a nephew could like similar
Important thing to note about Elizabeth’s death! When baby recalls it she notes the amount of children in the room and how Elizabeth was the only one. Which would make it more so impossible for the crying child to see. Baby also recalls how the children come back into the room as if they never noticed Elizabeth disappeared (I’m pretty sure?). All of this is based on my memory but I’m not sure that’s what the crying child saw that scared him! 29:28
I always thought the different "I will put you back together" text was clolored differently as a more broken version of William and I also thought that because, of how it's more darker. A much more intense violetnter version of him.
Praying for this man’s sanity
He’s gonna need it for this book 💀
@@soomi5667 fr fr
He lost his sanity 8 years ago
@@Thomanski true true
Every video gets this same comment THOUSANDS of likes and "fr fr" replies... and bots. Im so sick of this "trend" already STOP COPY PASTING COMMENTS
The terror is Ash's voice when she asks "Matt...who's Little Joe...?" is extremely funny to me. Wonderful content.
ash is just the best.
it’s even funnier how matt immediately knows 💀 they’re such a funny duo
Oh? You don't know? Little Joe? Well let me tell yo...in song-o!🎵
Lol
@@l0uisinana Oh, I know! When he first responded I thought he was being facetious, but it quickly dawned on me that he actually knew and I laughed even more!
I think Mat overlooked the most important detail of those Immortal & the Restless scenes: the vampire says the baby isn't his, when we see that the child is obviously his and looks like him. The same way Michael looks like William. He just hated his son for what he did, and wants to believe he isn't his own.
This ^
We need Mat to see this
@@Epicwin-bn1hi Definitely
Every single time someone uses the Immortal and the Restless as a reason that Mike isn't Willy A's son makes me so mad for that reason, the entire show goes out of its way to say that the baby is clearly a vampire too ( thus probably Vlads kid)
Yes, definitely agree with this!! And thank you for explaining the reason why William doesn’t want to acknowledge Mike as his son, I was stumped on that but your reasoning makes so much sense! :D
39:37 To clear up the "Is Michael really an Afton" thing, right here on Elizabeth Afton's page, it says "There are hints that *Michael* was following his *father's* instructions when he went to Circus Baby's Entertainment and Rental.." I think this further confirms Michael is an Afton, since Mat seems to be forgetting that in The Restless and Immortal, while Vlad claims the baby isn't his, it *clearly* is. That's the point of the show, Vlad is lying. This also makes it all the more *weird* that Michael doesn't have a page when he's literally MENTIONED here on Elizabeth's. So clearly they didn't want to reveal something about Michael, probably either to avoid a massive lore drop or confirmation, which I personally think is lame since some clarity never hurts.
it’s also implied micheal looks just like william too isn’t it?
@@arotesca6868 Yeah, in Sister Location at least.
I’d say that it could be something like maybe he was rebuilt as a robot so it looks like his son but technically it’s not his son just a robot
@@Adam-fw6br I don’t like the robot human theories like at all lol.
The only reason I could think of would be that Michael *is* William's son but doesn't have the same last name, maybe because William divorced his wife and Michael went with her as a part of it? split custody would also be possible and I feel like it's something worth looking into, although I don't know how much credit it'll hold on further inspection.
What stands out to me about Mike/Michael not having a page is that there is one empty "space" right after Gregory. It would have been so easy to have one more character page, not to mention that it feels like something is missing. With so many obscure characters, why leave Mike/Michael out? His absence speaks volumes.
That's the spot for Trash and the Gang
@@tadstrange1465 Trash and the Gang are on page 192. I was wondering if something should be on page 222, reading top to bottom after Gregory's section. It feels like they could have included another character page. I don't have the book in front of me, but is there anything after Gregory's pages on 220-221?
I leave Mike out his absence speaks volumes.
Mike is briefly mentioned on elizabeth's page
@@erinmccombe6214 well, he did briefly show the end of the book, there seems to just be like 2 posters (like foxy "not responsible for lost items, yarr" thingie, and some other one, and then just like credits or something, nothing of substance, nor empty pages
if there WERE empty pages, then it sure would be pretty credible theory, where later on you could just print out the missing page and glue it in place, lol
The time for the MatPat's Game Theory: The Grand FNAF Timeline is almost upon us. Haven't been this excited for a FNAF video ever since the good ol' days
Yes,so,so true
Omg I can't wait
Love it!
If were lucky, Fnaf will get a reboot, and I think the movies will be the start.
Same!!
Ash countering "Michael might not be an Afton" with "William was a pastor or something" is amazing
I line up on the step son side of things.
"Toy chica is william afton"
Under Orville's description it describes how fondly Mr Hippo talks of Orville, while Orville says nothing of Mr Hippo, saying they might not be such great friends after all. This could be a parallel to William Afton's and Henry's relationship, with William just being jealous of all Henry did with robotics, and Henry seeing William as an old friend. They also have the same purple and orangey yellow colors that William and Henry are associated with.
Edit: Timestamp: 49:56
Edit: Another observation: Although their colors seem to be reversed, Orville Elephant is wearing a purple top hat and flower, while Mr Hippo wears an orange flower. Regardless of their colors, the parallels are too noticeable to ignore.
Honestly love that parallel call out
OMG THAT IS SUCH A GOOD POINT
but that wouldnt make much sense seeing as thou Orville would be henry and Mr hippo would be william. it would make more sense if the roles were reversed wouldnt it?
@@krowthecorvid1315 Henry’s and William’s colors seem to be used interchangeably as William is also implied to be the mustard man/orange guy. Although William is more often interchangeable than Henry, as Henry is usually just consistently orange and grey.
Edit: Another possibility is that those colors are just symbolic of their relationship as a whole, and aren’t meant for specifically one person. This would explain William being depicted as both purple and orange at different points, and Henry being depicted as both grey and orange.
Would you say that another theory could be like how William tries to cancel out henry from his life like purple cancels out orange
It may just be the colors but that’s what I’ll suggest
I originally didn't clock Mike not being in the encyclopedia. The one that jumped out to me was the fact that Fredbear himself isn't in the book. Sea Monkey Bonnie is there but not the animatronic that BITES THE CRYING CHILD?!
Dang, I didn't even think about that...
Isn't Freddy fazbear like the 2nd entry (in the index at 52:36) ? Or am I dumb and fredbear is a different animatronic?
@@kluevo you're not dumb just misunderstanding. Fredbear and Freddy Fazbear are different aninatronics. Fredbear is a yellow springlock suit/animatronic that bites the crying child where as Freddy Fazbear is a brown animatronic frontrunner for the gang. Fredbear is a very important animatronic and I'm surprised/curious why they aren't included.
lmao sea monkey bonnie 😭😭😭 spring bonnie isnt there either which is also kinda weird
The fact that Michael isn’t there absolutely jumps out at me. That coupled with the fact that they go out of their way in the Guide to raise some doubt as to Henry’s last name, plus the fact that Matpat talks about how much Henry and Willam look alike in the graphic novels, and finally the picture of the “Emily’s” in the Guide with the two kids… Perhaps he’s right about “The Immortal and the Restless”… Maybe Michael has been Henry’s son and Charlotte’s brother this whole time. That would explain the weird family dynamic and why Michael calls William “father”, but through Vlad, William says that Michael isn’t his son.
Plus if Henry disappeared after Charlotte was killed and that is indeed one of the earliest events in the timeline, Michael would’ve had to go somewhere and (if there is no mom in the picture) going to live with an Uncle would be a next logical step. It would also explain why William went to such great lengths to protect Elizabeth and the Crying Child (though both attempts failed), but ultimately had no qualms sending Michael down to CBPR to find Elizabeth, knowing how dangerous that would have been.
But it wouldn’t explain how Michael would seem to be older than Charlotte, unless her death just happened so early that he was that young as well and just grew up before everything else in the games happened.
And I was always under the impression, or maybe just made the assumption, that Crying Child was older than Charlotte and would have known her or at least knew of her. But then we’ve never seen anything in this series that implies they would have known or encountered each other in life…
I know I don’t have the answers, but just something to think about. It’ll be interesting to see how this all plays out.
I'm pretty sure that Charlie and the crying child both die in 1983. So Mike is older than them by a fair bit.
This makes a lot of sense actually
The main issue I have with the whole Michael isn't Williams son is that the animatronics recognise Michael as William because of how similar they look and how Michael himself calls that out. It just feels like a detail that's really hard to work out of the picture
I would also say that by the time William sent Michael to find Elizabeth he was at least 6 dead children deep into his crazy. He might have thought that anything that happened to Micheal could be fixed or had an idea about what Baby would do. Would it matter if Mike died if he was with Elizabeth? To us, yes,but to William might not be thinking that way.
"But it wouldn’t explain how Michael would seem to be older than Charlotte, unless her death just happened so early that he was that young as well" OKAY WHAT IF LIKE.... this makes no sense but what if Mike _is_ an Emily and was Charlie's twin? I'm kinda confused with how the whole Sammy thing ended but what if in that photo Charlie is with Michael?
I'm just losing my mind at the idea that Michael could not be an Afton after all, plus DUDE THIS IS SO WELL WRITTEN your whole idea was explained so well and I agree so much, love the way you thought of it
What interests me after seeing this is that Michael isn’t the only one without a page. None of the security guards are mentioned, including Mike and Jeremy (who’s special enough to get the “Remember Jeremy” lines in FNAF VR). Tape girl isn’t listed either, or Cassidy. So key characters and even some playable characters are left out. I wonder why they weren’t included.
Love these videos, Team Theorist!❤
maybe because they dont have a 3d model in game?
cassidy maybe is just a overfiltered picture of someone that they include and arent exactly permitted of dont want to name them for some reason
I think they left Mike out, since he got the whole logbook, and probably the Movie.
@@IceHeartAlpha But Henry doesnt have a model either and he still go a whole drawing and such
@@AceFazthis is fnaf… no WAY he wouldn’t just be here because of being in a lot of places already
@@reewyn2025 but how would you even fit all of Mike's lore on 1-2 pages?
Michael’s exclusion is especially suspicious when you remember the fact that Crying Child’s page calls out the fact he has a “bullying big brother.”
My theory in light of this is that Mike is, possibly, William's stepson, and half-brother to Elizabeth and the Crying Child
I mean, it could be because he wasn’t technically an animatronic in the series and it was only talking about animatronic characters
@Filled_With_Envy Henry is animatronic? Gregory and Vanessa, both listed as human, are animatronics? Elizabeth, separate from her listing of Circus Baby, is animatronic? The Crying Child is an animatronic?
@@tumblingstarmoonchild how has nobody said stepson before? That's a really good explanation. Micheal's last name could be different but he still sees William as his father. While William doesn't completely see him as his son ("the baby isn't mine"). And then Micheal is biologically related to crying child and Elizabeth
@@embersun. but Michael is Afton, cuz in the fnaf Sister location game files his monologue is saved as "Michael_Afton_3.mp3"
I love that Ash and Mat point out how weird the crying child's fears are since he is afraid of animatronics but not the plushies of the same characters. BUT as someone who is leery of animatronics and suits of that nature in general (probably thanks to FNaF), yeah, it tracks. Human-sized things are scary, tiny plush versions are not. Brains are weird.
It didn't seem that weird to me cause when I was a kid I loved barney the purple dinosaur but one time someone gifted me a giant (for 3 year old me at least) barney plush and my parents had to hide it cause I was scared of it. Kids fears are weird man
@@danielasosa4964 Me too. I loved Barney and other mascot characters. But the moment I saw a mascot costume in real life I was just struck with fear and would run away crying. It's just child brains being child brains
It's not weird though, I'm just surprised Mathew Pathew didn't think of it though. What I mean is that (and for clarity I'm actually making a hypothetical here) Little kid sees another kid get vored and gored by a big machine and suit combo with the appearance of a lovable Mascot. Along with the size difference (the kid in the mini games doesn't cower from the corner crew) if you get forced into a building with a different companies mascot character with the same machine suit combo model used for the one that gave the kid trauma the kid still would be affraid because it isn't the mascot that's terrifying it's the insides.
It's like a kid loving a teddy bear but being terrified of a literal grizzly bear... because grizzly bears are capable of killing you and the teddy bear isn't.
can vouch for this too; love garfield a lot, but when my family took me to an event where there was people in garfield and oodie costumes, i noped the fuck out. children brains are especially weird when it comes to drawing arbitrary lines
Matts confusion and then utter joy at Ash’s “religious father comment” is so good 😂
Time stamp??
@@megtime5430 1:18:06
@@Shockbot thx❤
Honestly I actually thinking about that, it makes sense with Scott’s past
One thing about the "Michael is not an Afton" theory is that isn't Michael supposed to have an uncanny resemblance to William? The animatronics keep confusing him for William, and that's why they attack. Kind of hard for kid to look so much like their adopted parents, no? Unless William specifically picked him up because the child looks like him... now that'd be weird
And yet, William and Henry *do* apparently look uncannily similar in their youth.
There's always the radical out-of-left-field possibility that they're brothers/cousins. Similar genetics. So Michael might resemble William anyways.
@DisgruntledArtist i personally think henry and william looking similar was just bad design from the graphic novel team and it doesn't hold up in the games, specially now that henry was given another design in the new encyclopedia. however if they're really twins with the same genes, what if michael is actually henry's son? that would explain michael's resemblance to william, and why william says that's not his son when the mother says that it is for sure his. maybe she cant tell them apart. though, why would ms. afton have a child with henry, claim it's william's, and then have two more kids? why would william keep a business with the man who had a son with his (presumable) wife? unless he "gets over" the He Is Not My Son thing and raises michael anyway while still resenting him for being henry's child. i dont know. this is just a theory.a GAME theory. thanks for reading
Yes that is so worried
what if Mike = Wiliam
what if, Mike is a robot?
what if, Mike is a robot version of a teen/young-adult of Wiliam and somehow "find" his own name.
That explain why he is calling William father, and explain why he got scooped and lived, and being hollow and lived.
P.S. idk the full theory of FNAF and my theory might crash with other "facts"
Ok wait. Can he be adopted, and look like William (JUST to the animatronics) because of the last name and because they were both potentially night security guards in similar uniforms? They thought "I was you" because he's in the same uniform and job, and they'd be able to see his last name in their database or on his uniform
I think the reason they haven't included Michael is because it would break everything. Revealing/confirming literally anything at all about him would prove/disprove too many theories, especially since it's believed we play as him in all of the main games up to Pizza Sim. He's like the cornersoten of the whole FNAF storyline, and since we are always playing from his perspective, confirming anything about him would make the story lose most of the mystery.
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so now that it is confirmed that we play as cc in fnaf 4 now technically we dont always play as michael…
@@cacah243 Where was it confirmed that we play as C.C. in Fnaf 4? It says the Crying Child is in Fnaf 4, but that might just be talking about the minigames
@@purplecat6578 good point idk
Couldn't they have done something like have a page for him, but have it be "torn out", or scribbled over, so no important information is released?
One thing to notice is in Vanessa/Vanny's page, the subtitle says "Giving you a false sense of security", and in the Security Puppet's page, it says "Definitely gives you a false sense of security", which might have some very interesting connection...
Hearing that it just makes me think "Fuhnaff has joined chat."
@@jacobfoxfires9647 “Need more proof?”
Very interesting that Charlie is listed as human in the book as well even though we all know she’s a robot. I feel like this book is simultaneously helpful and confusing things. It’s like Scott wants to keep things secret but is fine explaining other things. I also really like the idea of Micheal going to a church to talk to a priest after sister location 😂thank you for that ash
But at the same time they seem to be only referring to the Charlie that was killed and is the puppet. The only mention of robot Charlie is the quote about an alternate Charlie who survived (the robot).
So technically, this Charlie in the character book is the human that died, not the robot who was her replacement.
The entry is misleading because it uses art from the graphic novels, which leads you to believe that they're talking about that version. But the entry is specifically about the game Charlie, who's only human before she merges with the Puppet. The only actual mention of Book Charlie is when they just lie about her in the very end.
Very interesting that Charlie is listed as human in the book as well even though we all knew she was a robot. I feel things. It's like Scott wants to keep things secret but is explanation of other things. I already like the idea of Michael's going to a church to talk to a preceptor sister location thanks you for that ash
I think the book is juat garbage
@@laurensmith8697 yet they use the book art of her where she is a robot. Elizabeth afton got new unique art so why not draw some new unique art for Charlie as a child before she was killed
I always interpreted the slight color change in "I will put you back together" as William breaking character slightly, not being able to hold himself together fully as he says his final words to his dying child. Trying to comfort him as he dies but also make a promise.
It's probably not that deep.
I like this interpretation. I never considered it like that.
ive always thought about it like that! in the first two lines, he’s putting up a front, trying not to seem weak and comfort his child but eventually he himself, breaks, and there’s a crack of emotion in his last sentence as he puts his child to rest, promising to bring him back
I litterally had the exact same assumption
I'm crying now
I find it very interesting that Balloon Boy is labeled as "anamatronic humanoid" while there are other characters listed as "anamtronic human" it is very strange why that difference is made
I feel like the reason Michael isn't mentioned in the book is maybe that he wrote it? The way it's written almost seems like someone making an encyclopedia for themselves to put everything they know down into words to remember and figure out
Kinda like the survival log book. I like that idea. If Michael’s the main character writing down what he’s learned he wouldn’t write about himself. Nice theory.
I must correct you, as I have made it my duty to correct any misspelling of “Michael” that I see.
Michael is spelled “Michael,” Nobody has ever said “Micheal”.
THIS IS MICHAEL AFTON, ONE OF THE MOST MAJOR CHARACTERS
No, Michael’s Craft Store is not spelled Micheal. (This goes for any other brand with the name Michael in it).
No, your phone doesn’t autocorrect Michael to Micheal on its own, you have to spell it incorrectly many times for it to begin doing that.
And finally, no, MICHEAL IS NOT A REAL NAME
I don't think so. Because how would he know about the characters of the books and the different skins os animatronics in Fnaf Ar (that Im pretty sure is not cannon)
Thus could also explain why some things are just flat our wrong or very questionable cause it's based off his knowledge or assumptions etc
Ehhh I don’t think so because then how would he know he LIVES IN A GAME?
that cover art is the definition of "graphic design is my passion"
Five silhouettes raised vs Five highlights lower
One thing I’d like to add to the whole “Mike maybe not Afton?” discussion is while the Immortal And The Restless constantly talks about “va, he’s not my son” it’s very clear that the baby is most certainly related to the father. Probably nothing but I’d thought I’d throw it out there in case
Not to mention Michael himself says that the Funtimes mistook him for William which insinuates that they look extremely similar
Yeah, I thought that was weird. The kid is sO clearly Vlad's child.
@@MoonyFBM I saw a theory in a different comment that Michael is like Charlie in the way that he died and was remade into a robot by William. It would explain why the Vlad keeps repeating that the baby isn’t his because the baby (aka Michael) is a robot
Just an idea I got from this: Maybe Mike is his son but after he resulted in his brothers death, William somewhat disowned Mike out of ange refering to him no longer as his son due to the pain he inflected on him with his actions.
For real life
I think the "he's not my son" has more to do with William hating and disowning Michael after he killed Evan. Because in that same game Sister Location the animatronics confuse you for William. And that's been a possibility in Fnaf 1 and 2 as well.
Yeah, and in The Immortal and the Restless, even though Vlad denies it its pretty obvious that the baby is his
I think the he'd not my son has more to do with William hating and disowning Michael after he killed Evan. Because in that same game sister Location the animatronics confuse you for William. And thats been a possibility in FNAF and 2 as well.
@@tayloranderson7547 Why did you just copy my comment lmao
I think it has more to do with the fact that William didn't want to have a child (at least not at the time) since the child is still a baby
Who's "Evan"?
11:09 that fact that Ash KNEW straight away to do the "oof!" for Matpat doing Dawko's intro, props to her! 😊😂😂😊
Me when she did: yas you know your Dawko
Edit: I apologise for the miniature war I managed to start below me with my idiocy. With the amount of people tactfully correcting me (bar one, who is most definitely a Twitter Keyboard Warrior due to the lack of courtesy), it’s safe to say I’m just a dumbass. I’ll keep this comment up so anyone can see the context of the replies below me. Please don’t argue though, I’m wrong, most of you are right.
Original comment: I’m sorry to be that sort of person, but Ash prefers They/Them pronouns. I’m just gonna let you know before someone tells you this in a less polite fashion. Once again, sorry.
@@memelord3986 I heard in one of the comments sections that Ash uses she/they? Not completely sure but would be glad if someone checked. I'd check but idk where to start.
@@memelord3986 Nah in reddit she said she preferred both
@@Saphia_ Possible, I've only ever seen them referred to they/them in the videos and that's what people were saying when Ash first joined the channel was they/them.
The thing about the Immortal and the Restless is that while Vlad keeps saying "he's not my son!" the mom always points out big reasons why Vlad is absolutely the father. So maybe the takeaway from the soap opera isn't that Mike isn't an Afton but that his mom isn't Afton's wife. Afton refusing to acknowledge Mike is less that he isn't the father but because Mike represents some of Afton's past mistakes.
Oh shit
I like this theory
Oooh, that's definitely an interesting take on it
Oh? Good good.
To be fair, Clara never says "it's OUR son". She says "it's YOUR son, you need to be part of YOUR son's life", BUT THEN she says "he is your son [because] you're the only vampire I've ever loved" and Vlad says "[eating a cat] sounds like something he got from your side of the family" which would imply it's her kid too. It's really confusing
The hardest part about this is distinguishing between false information and genuine lore drops, cause we know it has BOTH, but like you gotta take everything with a massive grain of salt here.
The thing Matt keeps ignoring in the Immortal and the Restless, is that the vampire is clearly just lying to avoid the responsibility of raising his son and Clara goes to more and more drastic measures to try and make him. If anything, this indicates that Michael IS his son, but William neglects him due to his depression after the bite of 83 and maybe even stopped considering Michael his son, but Michael is still Michael AFTON. He's probably not in the encyclopedia because confirming which games he is in would be a huge reveal for this book and that should be saved for a game
Possibly. I don't see the Vlad=Afton personally. Like, it's probably there but my brain won't connect the dots.
this makes sense
not only does michael call william his father,mike also has the english accent AND he mentions that the animatronics were mistaking him for william,which means that michael and william look pretty much alike. which would be kinda hard to do if mike wasnt his actual son.
Maybe if Michael was still a minor when his parents died he could’ve been adopted and changed his last name?
@@katyishere but they look alike
@your_daily_reminder_to_smile In 8-bit? Correct me if im wrong but we only ever mike in 8-bit and In 8-bit william is already purple so when Mike turned purple of course they're going to look the same. Yes william is in the graphic novel but micheal is not and those may not be properly cannon to the games anyway so I don't think we have any way of proving they look the same.
This book shouldn’t be trusted. Not only is the quality feel slightly worse than normal, but the info wasn’t given by Scott it’s by dawko.
@@emilychapman3277 Michael literally says in the ending of Sister Location: "they thought I was you..."
Oh, egg baby is a literal representation of the animatronics who capture children. The big one is the animatronic, the little one is the child, and the red ball is the soul juice thing. Neat
That makes so much sense, thank you for that.
Huh, Neat.
And Egg Babys German
It also contained the blueprints that show that happening
Oh ,egg 🍳 baby is a literal representation of the animatronics who captures two children.
timestamps for when he talks about the pages:
frontcover/photoshop- 3:15
firstpages- 8:00
content- 11:44
blacklight freddy- 17:02
party freddy- 19:32
arctic ballora- 20:56
MUSIC MANNNN- 21:28
the blob/burntrap- 22:25
gregory- 30:47
posters/backcover- 33:48
vannesa/vanny- 34:02
henry (emily?)- 36:22
human heads?- 41:03
egg baby- 42:47
little joe- 44:13
magician- 44:55
mediocre melodies- 45:46
nedd bear- 48:17
roxanne wolf- 50:02
phantom puppet- 52:52
shadow puppet?- 53:27
nightmarionne- 55:59
security puppet- 56:18
balloon boy- 56:25
eleanor- 58:39
charlotte emily- 59:47
crying child- 1:02:31
the stichwraith- 1:06:24
bidybab/electrobab- 1:08:36
ballora- 1:11:08
micheals not here?- 1:13:17
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You can’t tell me the crying child artwork in this book doesn’t look almost identical to Gregory… even the detail of the bandage on the crying child’s knee while Gregory has one on his face
Actually gregory has a bandage in the knee too, and in the same location..
In regards to Mike calling William father. It is also common in stories for a creation to refer to their creator as father. Mike may have always been a robot and never a human. He's like Frankenstein's monster.
Or a more twisted take could be after crying child died, Henry 'revived' him as an animatronic the same way he did Charlie in the books. Which explains him calling William father, but also the "He's not my son!" lines.
My only issue with that is that as an animatronic even akin to the puppet who helps people Henry planned an escape for Mike he wouldn't have done that if A he knew he was a robot having created him and B that he had remnant keeping him here.
This could also explain how he didn't die in sister location after getting scooped. I always thought it was weird that he just survives and it was never really explained to my knowledge.
Edit: I just checked Michaels voice lines at the end of sister location and they do sound kinda robotic especially when he repeats "I'm going to come find you" one more time at the end. maybe i'm crazy anyone able to explain this away?
@@ScorpionRevengeNCG Does Charlie have remnant in the books? I haven't read them, but maybe some animatronics are A.I and not souls. There were versions of Charlie at different stages of her life that existed at the same time right? They can't all have had her soul in them and must have been A.I to some extent? But I haven't read the book so I could be 100% wrong.
@LagunaX1 I'm not entirely sure but from what I can remember the oldest version of Charlie is 'elanor' which is possessed by the spirit of Elizabeth which would mean that no they don't have remnant but mike is a different story he's unkillable his soul won't move on and is trapped that's the only way he can end up possessing Freddy in security breach. So I think that for this theory to work mike needs to be made with remnant perhaps even being remade first as a prototype before fixing his other son the crying child. I think it's most important to remember that Henry was planning on putting an end to the story of Freddy pizzaria and if Mike died their he would be a known part of the story that should burn like he intended to himself it just doesn't make sense for Mike to be a animatronic. I think the best explanation for everything is just like his father he has an unbreakable will and if anything mike could be considered not Williams son because remember he is the reason Williams son crying child dies that can make a father stop caring about their kid.
I'm surprised that they didn't immediately talked about how much Crying Child and Gregory look alike in here. Sure Crying child looks younger with shorter and darker hair but like, I couldn't help but compare their appearance. They really went with the "lookalike doppelganger" here. First with Afton and Henry looking similar to eachother, to in the games, Michael looks like William. And now we see in official art for Crying Child looks like our newest protagonist, Gregory. Or to say the least, Gregory Looks like Crying Child.
Their looks aren't the only thing similar, their outfits also look similar. There are definitely parallels like Matpat said. The cycle and story is definitely repeating.
they even have matching bandaids.
@@purplemonkfish the bandaid, I purposely overlook, they are kids after all. They get hurt. That actually might tell us that cc might be accident prone. We have a canonical reason for why Gregory has a bandaid, he got hurt/cut while inside of freddy.
In fiction tropes, when kids have unexplained bandages, wrappings, or bandaids, it's usually indicative that they clumsy or accident prone, and have the tendency to get injured easily and often. That fact that they choose to show a picture of CC with bandaid on top of all the similarities between is to really hit home that they are mirrors of one another. From their looks, to their outfit, the little detail is there to cement the idea. Similar, down to fine details.
Edit, this mainly use to illustrate small things like small cuts or small bruises, just like as hitting ur knee against the living room coffee table when running. It's one bandaid.
I mean he also mentioned not knowing the Crying Child’s eye color when talking about the human heads but then we get a picture of Crying Child with his eyes open and they’re the same color as Gregory’s
@@DianaGonzalez-sm3iz I'm pretty sure he wasn't even looking at the pictures. I know I felt like checking when I saw CC. Like I said, I'm surprised they didn't point it out, especially with how close together they saw the two pages either they really like the idea that Gregory looks like CC so they made CC look the way they for the fanservice, or they are trying to do something with it. Elizabeth's artwork is also in the same style as CC's. So they have a consistency with that.
BTW CC and Gregory's eye color is an extremely rare shade of brown. A heredity trait.
I would like to point out that in the imortal and the restless the child is showed to clearly be Vlad's son with the vampirc traits just like Michael having his father's super natural tendency of staying alive as a corpse and turning purple
I completely agree, that goes along with the fact that the animatronics commonly mistake Michael for William when they encounter him..
Michael is William's illegitimate child. In the Fnaf ultimate guide book is the proof, specifically the Fnaf Sl section.
There is a sticky note about the imortal and the restless. To summarize, it basically states that the boy is Vlad's son. It's pretty obvious, but something else stood out. It also calls out the woman to be Vlad's mistress.
As someone who had worked as a mascotte it is not that weird for little kids to love the plush version but be scared of the suits. When the characters are small they are cute, but at almost 7ft tall they can be a little intimidating. I've had children who were litterally obsessed with the character scream bloody murder when they had to get close for a picture.
So hyped for the timeline theories! No clue why Michael isn't in the book, but I think Michael is an Afton because they're both British lol. And I don't think he's adopted since there's apparently a strong family resemblance between them ("They didn't recognize me at first, but then... they thought I was you."). Also, I don't think The Immortal and the Restless is saying Michael isn't William's son, just that William was neglectful. It's clear in the show that the baby _is_ Vlad's son. He has all these vampire characteristics that could only have come from Vlad, but Vlad continues to deny it even though it's obvious. I think The Immortal and the Restless is about a father refusing to acknowledge his son, not that the baby _isn't_ his son.
Yeah, someone else here mentioned that William hates his son for what he did and that’s why he acted towards him the way he did
Maybe William BELIEVED Michael wasn't his son for whatever reason? Believing his wife had an affair or something of the like. Despite all the evidence to the contrary.
The book does mention Michael in Elizabeth's section saying there's hints Michael went to Sister Location following his father's instructions
Maybe he was, but maybe most of the Fandom got it wrong. There is a possibility that Micheal is the Bite Victim rebuilt. Pay attention to the line "I will put you back together..."
We've been assuming that them mistaking Mike for William means they have a family resemblance, but I think that's wrong. They only mistake him for William after time passes. In other words, after he turns purple...
Maybe the thing with immortal and the restless isn't so much saying that Micheal isn't Williams son, but maybe it more so symbolizes the disowning of him post fnaf 4? Since a whole theme throughout immortal and the restless is that Vlad SAYS the baby isn't his, but it very clearly is. Either way still weird Micheal didn't get a page
along with mike being mistaken for william in sister location, telling us that they most likely look similar
I've always been so curious about Ballora. Whether it be the allusion to her being Mrs. Afton, her eyes-closed design, or the song she sings. Everything about her feels so deliberate and yet nothing about her directly points to a connection to another character or moment. However, I do have some thoughts on her design and how that could connect to her being an allusion/ recreation of Mrs. Afton.
It's always struck me as odd that none of the books or games talk about what Mrs. Afton is feeling or thinking during any point of the timeline. You never hear her say anything, she's never mentioned, heck she doesn't even have a name in a game that gives proper names to just about every little creation. But putting myself into her shoes, having lost a daughter, her youngest son is traumatized and hospitalized, I'd be pretty closed off and despondent too. I wouldn't be in a place to notice my husband (William) going off to places at strange times, spending hours in the garage working on god knows what. I may even be deliberately looking away from his strange activities because I have so many other tragedies on my mind, I don't need another one to add to that. You could say I'd close my eyes and allow myself to be blind to all the other things around me.
Which leads me to the song she sings:
"Why do you hide inside your walls,
When there is music in my halls?
All I see is an empty room,
No more joy, an empty tomb.
It's so good to sing all day,
To dance, to spin, to fly away."
The first line refers to him spending all his time in the garage and or otherwise out of the house. Even if she's deliberatly ignoring WHY he's spending all of his time away, she would obviously notice it on the surface level and want her husband's support during this extremely hard time.
The second line makes me feel like Mrs. Afton is both wondering why he's out when she needs his support, but this line could also be her trying to tell William that she is there to support him too since they're also his kids.
The third and fourth line are of course referencing Elizabeth's empty room and the general depressive episode the entire family is going through because of that and their son's hospitalization.
The last two lines may seem like a strange departure from the otherwise cohesive narrative, but this ties back into the closed eyes in her design. I think this is pointing to the fact that Mrs. Afton mentally couldn't handle the tragedy of her two children's fates, especially without the support of her husband so they could help each other through it. So instead, she disassociates herself from them, figurtively flying away from her problems.
And since this is William making these recreations, all of these things make sense, since he has the motivation to recreate his family as animatronics and obviously knows his wife and how she dealt with the tragedies of their children. So when you combine the two, you get an animatronic that laments over events and has knowledge of things in a perspective that really could only be that of Mrs. Afton.
I know for a while Matt was into this idea, he had a similar analysis of the song in one of his Sister Location theories, but it feels like he's moved away from this idea.
(Loose ends: I also think the fact that she has the Minireenas, which couls easily be seen as Ballora's children, supports this. But then again, Baby has the Biddybabs and Electrobabs too. But then AGAIN again, it's interesting that it's the two recreation characters of Ballora and Baby that are the ones with smaller more child-like counter parts, and that Funtime Foxy has none. But why would Baby, the recreation of his young daughter Elizabeth, have children? The Minireenas and Babs are curious cases in their own rights. And then on a separate issue, if Vlad is an allusion to William in The Immortal and the Restless, then would Vlad's wife be an allusion to Mrs. Afton? But this goes against the whole idea of Mrs. Afton having closed herself off from the world because the wife in the show is very confrontational and willing to bring up the issues to Vlad. The Immortal and the Restless is confusing/ contradicting point for a lot of theories it seems...)
Bruh that was long
Why are you writing a whole book
@@Potato_Of_Regrets Because this is a theory video about a book, duh
Sounds all great to me c: I will say that (I have no idea obvi but) the Vlad thing could be a matter of timeline-if she only closed off after the tragedies, then she could still have been a fireball shortly after the kids’ birth
Vlad's wife might be a reference to William's delusional psyche.
From his viewpoint, Ballora is silent on the matter and doesn't try to remedy the following issues, but in actuality, she already tried to stop him from doing it, and he in his head, he sees it as her not wanting to support in fixing his family.
To William, his family would be fixed if he fixed them, but his wife instead tells him to forget and move on, to shut his eyes from how broken his family becomes because of him.
i feel like the thing with michael is that maybe he got “disowned” by william. after causing his little brother’s death its possible that william was so furious with him that he simply refuses to accept him as his son anymore. michael still calls him his father (either in a biological context or him trying to keep his familial relationship) but william no longer wants to associate with him, saying “you’re not my son”.
yep i agree, this makes sense
you know what i like about matpat's enthusiasm when he sits on the couch making the content we watch ? you can tell he's enjoying it. his smile makes you smile.
I feel the need to point out Henry’s entry in this book. I had to go to google and search some things to be sure I had everything right, and I really think that this page explains the Midnight Motorist mini game from Pizzeria Simulator.
As MatPat said, in the books Henry has twins, Sammy and Charlotte, but the twist is that Charlotte was the one that was kidnapped and Sammy never existed. However, in the books it is confirmed via a newspaper article that Henry did in fact have twins and therefore Sammy Emily did exist. The family photo of Henry says “Once upon a time…” implying that this was what his life looked like at one point. Sammy was real, and he was kidnapped by William Afton. In Midnight Motorist, there are footprints outside the window reminiscent of Glitchtrap’s, or whatever the first Spring Bonnie suit looked like, and tracks leading away from the house. That’s Henry’s house, the person in the chair watching television is Henry’s wife, the boy who locked his door is Sammy, and the Orange guy is Henry. Charlie isn’t there because she is supposed to be at a party but is instead being murdered by Afton and fusing with the puppet. Midnight Motorist is called “Later That Night” in the game’s code after all.
I’ve been a believer in the Orange Guy being Henry theory since the Game Theory on that topic but I really think this book proves it. Look at Henry’s shirt on his page in the encyclopedia. It’s orange. Just as William Afton is always associated with purple, this is Scott Cawthon using color to establish connection. This hit me while watching this and I just wanted to point it out.
And orange is in the opposite spectrum of purple on the color wheel. God that such an obvious paralel to William and Henry, I feel so dumb for never considering Henry as Orange Guy. Legit mind blown moment
But the file name for the person on the chair, is "mansitting.png", so I doubt that's Henry's Wife...
I was thinking something similar. That's why Michael would refer to William as "father" because he was raised by William without the knowledge of William kidnapping him at a young age and that would also explain Sammy disappearing without an explanation but being confirmed to be real.
@@adiazrue5776 sory to burst your bubble but orange and blue are on the other side of the spectrum, not purple and orange
In The Fourth Closet, wasn't it revealed that due to Henry being so obsessed with reviving Charlie, his wife and his son left? So it was never implied that Sammy never existed, he left with his mom.
Unless I'm wrong but I'm pretty confident about this
To Ash's comment at 1:05:20 - I actually like having plushes or figurines of things that scare me. By having these things in a softer or smaller form, I feel like they present less of a threat to me, but still embodies the essence of the thing that scares me. So, it's like having a guardian. It also inspires me to face the thing that scares me, and realize it doesn't have power over me unless I let it have that power.
On the point of The Crying Child:
Long ago, a friend of mine's little brother really loved Spongebob. He was deeply obsessed with him and would spend all his time watching the show or playing with the toys. For one of his birthdays, it was going to be a surprise to have his older sister dress up as Spongebob and surprise him as a gift.
The birthday was going without a hitch and we were all getting ready for the reveal of Spongebob "visiting." Once the moment arrived and she walked in, he went into a panic and started crying. What they thought would've been a wonderful surprise was actually a really terrifying moment for him.
It is a bit confusing situation, but there is a strange correlation between younger kids loving a character and being terrified of their real-life counterparts, at least in my experience.
no exactly. a child’s mind is imaginative. its not gonna make as much sense as matpat and ash think.
Something to keep in mind about Micheal is he says: "They didn't recognize me at first, but then they thought I was you." On top of that he also has the same Voice Actor as William, so we at least know that biologically he'd have to resemble and sound similar to him. As to if he might not have the last name Afton I'd say it's likely that Maybe Micheals mother had the last name Schmidt and he was given that name at birth?
Well Michael might resemble William and still be Henry's kid if William and Henry are identical twins and he took after his father.
Yeah, I was thinking that maybe William just refused to accept him as his son and made him take his mothers maiden name?
Maybe Mrs Afton had an affair and Michael was the result of that
@@um7239the comments is literally saying that william and mike are similar so he had to be his son
@Mm Mm Well then, what if he's the result of William cheating instead?
It would make sense. His marriage most likely failed at some point, and William is a narcissistic abuser, so he obviously wouldn't blame himself, so maybe that's why he didn't like Mike? Plus it would fit with The Immortal and The Restless, with the kid clearly being Vlad's son, and him denying it.
I'm very passionate about fnaf and its story, so it's pretty upsetting seeing misinformation in a official book, and some major characters just not getting in the book at all.
I don’t think it’s misinformation. Maybe there’s reasons behind it. Just like there’s a reason some characters didn’t make it in the book
@@stevenpina1983 a reason ? Like a second one will come ? But it is unreasonable to put like characters like party Freddy instead of putting important or majors characters first .
With reason or not ....
@@IvanOhtheexquisite i dont think what they meant was that another one might come but more so that some characters were left out deliberately for lore purposes. for instance michael not being in the book could be a hint that maybe he isnt actually an afton like others have been speculating. sometimes the lack of information being presented is information in and of itself.
If you're talking about the Charlotte line Mat pointed out I think he just misinterpreted it. Imo the line is just weirdly worded but it refers to the robot Charlie as the one who survived childhood so it is correct
Right Fred bear gets no entry, but el chip does. What the heck?
Y'know, it's odd that they include all sorts of AR skins and choices like Human Heads, but DJ Music Man is limited to a single name drop on the normal MM page.
I love how freaking hype Matpat was about his Mediocre Melodies theory being confirmed here
As a kid I had Chuck E. Cheese plushes and other items from there. But I absolutely was scared to my bones of the animatronics. Like whenever I walked past the stage and the motion sensors or whatever kicked in I cried and ran to my parents. So I relate and think it’s pretty common for a child to like something and be scared of it especially with animatronics. Because on one hand ones a miniature plush and on the other ones bigger, taller, metallic, and taller with a lot of realistic features that do scare kids.
Also if there is a tv-show "freddy n friends" they might become fans of that first and then go to the restaurants later
OH this just occurred to me!!!
Remember the Candy Cadet stories about piecing a bunch of broken things into another whole? Isn’t that kinda reflected in Gregory destroying the other Glamrock animatronics to upgrade Freddy with their parts?
Huh, good catch. Could be another 'collecting souls' type thing like pizzeria sim.
or the blob
the caveat to that is that it was always specifically 5 things fused into 1 and there were only four glamrocks, well excpet for bonnie but he wasn't present
@@newthejsterjacob408 hm… this is true… would it be too much of a stretch to say that in the good ending where vanny and vanessa are “separated” would count as two more?
@@Beesbeeswhatsonthemenu I’d say so especially because they don’t merge with Freddy or anything
I love the idea of William Afton being a priest, Michael Afton in his robot suit, sitting in a booth, saying "Father, It's me, Michael. I've come to find you."
Something about that is so hilarious.
That'd be so amazing if that was a random thing at some point in the books or something for no reason.
Yes it is
Curiously, the "game appearances" don't list FNAF World for any character (as far as I can tell).
Especially notable for Old Man Consequences which specifically calls our FNAF World in the description yet still omits it from the list.
Did you notice the Crying Child design in his page? we can see his eye color, which is similar to Gregory's, also he has a bandaid on his leg like Gregory, quite a specific detail. I think it enstablishes a connection between them, either literally or simbolic
At this point, they are the same person/ Android (not robot)
Interesting... Good catch.
That is actually really interesting
It looked brown to me!
Edit: not disagreeing btw, I’m just saying what I saw on my 40 smth inch TV
If anything it makes me agree more lol
Edit 2: fixed “gray” bc typos and autocorrect are “helpful”
Please god no
A weird detail that I noticed It’s that the crying child picture depicts him with a band-aid, just like the one Gregory has. It’s in a different part of the body, but It’s an odd detail to include.
Can’t wait to see the new theories!
same, good catch! Tho that is also a common design motif for little boys in general for whatever reason
That was the first I did notice and I'm honestly supperised MatPat didn't catch it, oh well he is really busy.
@@neasulavuori4955 yeah, that’s true, It’s a common motif, and maybe It’s just that. But, we know that nothing is a coincidence in FNaF.
@@DoodleDrawz he probably is. And, It’s an small detail, maybe he overlooked it because he wasn’t close enough to the screen.
The way I’m so invested in Fnaf lore and I’ve never played the game 😂 Can anyone else relate?
Only through let's plays, but I adore FNAF
Yep that’s me! I hate playing scary games or watching scary movies but am fascinated by like horror lore. So I really enjoy watching the FNAF videos and watching the game play (though I might be looking away from screen sometimes) but probably will never actually play the games.
To be fair, I tried playing it, but too hard for me. X,D
I played the app of the 1st game and chickened out within a minute or 2 of the 1st night
Yep! I've only played the newer games (fnaf 6+)
In regards to Michael not being in there to be listed as an Afton, Henry isn't listed as Henry Emily in the title, but they reference that he's been established as Henry Emily in the books. They could have done something similar to that.
I think a theory could be that Michael could be Michael Emily and he is referencing Henry as his father. Also, could be adopted as a brother in Afton family. That would explain why William and Henry look similar and Michael still looks a lot like William.
We need a part 2... So many characters i would like for Mat to read about and go even more into insanity.
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My personal take on the TV show in sister location is that its supposed be some sort of analogy to William and Michael's relationship. Him saying that he isn't his son makes me think he wants to disown Michael since his son has gone against him and his murderous ways. That's more of a narrative driven theory than anything else, so I could be very wrong
Edit: English is hard, pardon me while I clean up my comment
I agree. And I also think it shows that the baby ends up looking like his dad. Michael becomes purple and looks like his father as we hear from Michael in Sister Location.
"They didn't recognize me at first, but then they thought I was you..."
I also think it could have a potential to be interpreted as the relationship between the now existent mother figure as of Security Breach. We know they had a divorce, so maybe William had an affair and Michael came out of that. That's why he's arguing the baby isn't his, and the wife doesn't buy it.
Your english seems fine to me.
As Matt goes through this and finds all the interesting little tidbits, I really like that Mr. Hippo talks about a box that he's forgotten about with a very interesting story
This book just seems so shoddily put together. It reads like a fan wiki page
no, fan wiki pages are better put together than this
honestly wish we could have gotten even more of Mat reading this, everything is super interesting
This man has an amazing memory, being able to explain events right away and clear enough for a viewer to be able to understand what’s being referenced is bonkers. An impressive mind indeed 🫡
brr
To be fair, he's had to research and reorganize his timeline so many times, practically after each release, that I'd be surprised of he didn't have a good memory about all of it.
One of my biggest concerns with the idea that Evan sees his sister get scooped is that Baby cannot scoop when there are any other children present, there were 4, then 3, then 2, then 1
There are ways to be present for something without being noticed, such as a door being left just barely ajar.
It also makes no sense in context. If he saw that then he wouldn't be afraid of Fred Bear who looks nothing like baby.
That is a good point, although I could also imagine a scenario where Crying Child was hiding under a table - as established in the FNAF4 mini-games.
@777SilverPhoenix777 you can generalize your fear as a child. Bitten by dog -> afraid of all animals can happen. Same with bugs, one bad experience with one you end up fearing them all due to overgeneralization. A giant robot/animatronic killing your sister? Fear of anything that moves and acts like one.
A thing to point out, kind of in relation to Michael not being mentioned here, is that the 'William Afton' page/pages are also a sort of stand-in for 'ScrapTrap' as that was never his official name given in Pizzeria Simulator, in the credits it says 'William Afton' which was the first confirmation of his full name in the games, so this page is as much ScrapTrap as it is William Afton which could possibly explain why Michael wasn't given a 'Description' as he, same with ScrapTrap, wasn't given a name in credits, in the credits of Sister Location there is no 'Michael' or 'Michael Afton', there is just 'Misc' (Short for Miscellaneous). Also in William Afton's 'Game Appearances' it states that he was in FNaF 1 which I don't personally remember him being there (feel free to correct me if he was and I'm forgetting but I thought Purple Guy/William was introduced in FNaF 2)
Edit: since this post, I have been informed by my friends multiple time that within the timeline, as the events happen in FNaF 1, William Afton is inside the fake wall in the FNaF 1 location, but that would be assuming that the “Game Appearances” takes timeline events into account which would open up a whole new can of worms that I don’t have the mental capacity to dissect
Afton may have disowned Michael after the bite incident. He can't forgive his son for what happened and shut him out. This would explain the "he's not my son" line. Michael going to Sister Location can be his attempt to earn his father's love back.
this is what i’d assume tbh, cus i’m pretty sure micheal is supposed to look a lot like william
Explain the he's not my son line . Michael going to Sister location kids to be attempt to earn his father's love back.
@@tayloranderson7547 Explain the he's not my son line. Michael going to Sister location kids to be attempt to earn his father's love back.
I just got the book today and finished reading it. One thing that hints towards Scott not double checking it is how Mangle is gendered, usually Scott uses a mix of pronouns but in this book it's exclusively male pronouns, I don't think Scott would let that pass unless he's finally confirming Mangle's gender after 8 years.
Also I'm pretty sure the eyes on the cover page are Springtrap from one of the original fnaf 3 teasers.
Edit: another thing, I think Michael not being in the book is because there's to many theories about him (being crying child's older brother, being almost every night guard you play as) that it's impossible to talk about him without it, and this book seems to avoid going deep into theories. And in the Ultimate Guide in the Sister Location section under lore and theories it does specifically say that Michael is William's son (though it's under the heading 'Micheal ... Afton?').
Personally I think the book just wasn’t given any actual attention from what I know it’s likely multiple people worked on different sections and it’s possible they just wanted to crank it out for the excited children
Also the Bon Bon and Bonnet page. In it, Bon Bon uses she/her pronouns (which we all know she is a girl), but then on the next page Bonnet is said to be the FIRST female Bonnie and it's like ????
In the FNaF how to draw book Mangle was always referred to as male, so I'm just gonna assume that Mangle's gender has been confirmed
My hot take is that the entire story is depicted purposefully impossibly vague and all they really do in terms of writing is confirm and disprove theories as they go. The reason Michael isn't in this book is they are waiting for a more definitive theory they like more to confirm it. Same with the name of the crying child etc.
@@goldfishgallant1432 so we're paying like 20$ for nothing but cryptics that we're not even sure *are* cryptics? atleast poppy playtime's NFTs actually provide concrete evidence that we can use for theories instead of some "maybe yes maybe not" nonsense
“Maybe Mike’s not an Afton” im sobbing
Dude if he isn't, Mat will have a mental breakdown. He has been thinking Mike is an Afton for years.
Me too
Luck he is a afton and nothing in this book is canon. 😊
@@AxeltheKing1000 Word of god?
@@AxeltheKing1000 thats what you think........ 😈
My only knowledge of this franchise is through these theories, but from my perspective, the Crying Child having the plush but being afraid of the animatronic makes a lot of sense.
For me, I've had a general dislike/fear of most full body costumes like you'd see at theme parks (Disney/etc.). This was stronger when I was a kid, but still lingers for some costumes as an adult, so it may be a form of maskophobia. I loved all those characters on TV and owned toys of them, but seeing an adult sized version in person always scared me. For example, I have pictures of me holding a Barney plush contrasted with video of a birthday party where my dad got a Barney costume. I was clinging to an older relative off to the side, and cowered away when he reached over to pat my head.
This book gives me MAJOR FNAF World vibes with its cheesy phrasing. This book did make me realize something... Roxanne and Mangle share parallels: obsession with beauty, yellow eyes, and not being built right.
actually makes a lot of sense.
Also Roxanne has split personality type of thing going on in the game. She has "her own" voice (for lack of better phrasing) and the second voice in her head that bullies her. Mangle in UCN has two voices - a cutesy girly one and a darker static one
@@EJ_2091 That's not a split personality. That's just clunky characterization for Roxanne having intense insecurities.
Since when does Mangle have an obsession with beauty? Since when does Mangle have ANY characterization?
@@damonskyheart9097 since fnaf ar
In reference to 40:38 when Mat was asking if William and Henry are twins, it could make sense and have an even deeper plot. We know Henry has twins and twins are hereditary. This means that either Henry or his wife have a twin or at least have a history of twins in their family.
given fraternal twins are literally two eggs being ovulated simultaniously, it HAS to be on the woman's side. A man can't magic up extra eggs in his wife after all. That said, media often does play with the twins have twins regardless, it's a trope. But it's not actually scientifically possible for a man to make a woman ovulate more than one egg at a time just by sleeping with her. He'd need fertility drugs for that lol.
also if they were being scientific twins jump a generation so henry himself wouldn't be very likely to have his own but that's me being knitpicky
Im personally a fraternal twin with a boy (I am a female) and I can say that twins run on my DADS side not my moms. My grandmother is a twin, she had twin girls, and my father (that grandmother's son) had me.
Idk about the theory but fraternal twins are hereditary. It doesn't matter if it comes from father or mother as twins don't run on my moms. The other sets are identical we are the special set that are fraternal.
Twins can jump generations but we've had 1 set in each generation for us personally.
@@Manyrain But your dad’s genes would have nothing to do with your mom having twins. It might make you more likely to have twins, though.
why yall talking twin science when the whole twin thing in the books was completely made up by henry to cover for his daughters death
I've seen a few irregularities in the "encyclopedia", namely in the "Type" field: There is a pretty wide "Animatronic Humanoid" section (with Baby, BB, etc. shaped animatronics), but those looking like Little Joe are under "Animatronic Human". Also, most character known to be in animatronics are classified under "Human" (Even Charlie who if I'm not mistaken is fully robot in the novels, with no human soul), yet Afton is "Human, AT FIRST"
Like, bruh, the Crying Child is considered Human, I think it's okay to get Afton under "Human".
i'm assuming multiple people worked on this and didn't stay on the same page with their information.
Idk, it may be a reference on how many times Afton came back and that part of his conciousness is part of Glitchtrap? Or maybe just saying how he lost his humanity because he's a murderer? None of this makes sense, but for some reason Afton not being classified as fully human didn't stick out as weird to me
Man this whole character encyclopedia is so lazely put together
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If he pauses on Elizabeth’s Entry, it mentions mike as following his fathers orders. It’s most likely that yes mike is a Afton by blood, and it’s going to be important for the movie
yeah, contextually it would make sense for him to change his last name considering his dad is a serial child murderer.
But that’s the point he also calls out to his father “father it is me, Michael” but you can still be a father if biological or not adoption is a thing
@@kightkusahra8456 I see what you’re saying and that’s valid. However imo, the fact that Mike looks so much like William that they mistook him for William at first (I forget the exact quote word for word but I’m sure you know what I’m talking about), I feel like that’s solid support for them being blood related. Idek, the lore is honestly a mess rn and I wouldn’t be surprised if they pulled something like that lol
@@kightkusahra8456 But he also says how the Animatronics thought Michael was William. Implying that Michael looks like how William did when he was younger. Wich makes more sense if he was his biological son.
@@erickamakeeaina1649 let me get this straight you’re gonna take the word of animatronics that are more after not destroyed it mangled or glitching or possessed by might I add children so it’s not like their smart or anything. Also, it’s not that uncommon for two people to look very similar, even to the point of sounding the same and not having any biological connection whatsoever
there’s honestly nothing better than listening to someone talk about something they’re passionately interested in
The one thing I took from this video is that Matpat and Steph like doing puzzles and are doing a 40,000 piece one. I love me some puzzles and watching puzzle content on UA-cam so I am very excited about it.
23:30 "features" can also be used to mean like "stars" as in "stars in" or "appears in". he "features in the ending" means that he is featured or plays a role in the ending.
I read the entire encyclopedia and there are a few character details that stuck out to me so I think it's important to look into them more. And the characters are; Easter Bonnie (Lore Implications) Toy Bonnie (unique details about personality) and Freddy (The handprint)
Confirmation that burntrap is still using the springtrap suit is pretty significant. Nullifies the theory that Glamrock Bonnie was lured to be his new body.
Or its both, the glamrok endo and with pieces of whats left of his old body
1:14:22 On The Ultime Guide it says "The older son: Michael Afton, AKA, you", so yes, they do call him an "Afton", its weird that its called a fan theory but it also says "This theory seems confirmed by the game" so yeah
At this point, I feel like Matpat has made it a matter of pride to solve FNAF
Micheal true identity has always been a big question, and I've always been skeptical ever since Mat released the theory about the fnaf 6 motorist mini game house being the Emily house. The fact that he doesn't have a page is very interesting and makes me think.
I think Micheal was adopted or something like that into Afton family. If he is truly an Emily, what if after Charlie died, Henry was seen as an unfit parent. We know from the books he got severely depressed and...well you know. In the games we know he still lived up until fnaf 6 to set the restaurant ablaze, but he still could have been depressed and all that, but didn't end it all. Being an unfit parent after Charlie's death would lead to someone close to the Emily's being asked to take care of the remaining child, Micheal. Who else but the Afton's. I think this could also explain why Micheal bullied crying child, which I always thought was weird with how far it went. I think Micheal was jealous. Out of the Afton kids, he was an outsider. With his "Dad", William, constantly saying "The baby isn't mine", I think it's safe to assume that he wanted his "father's" approval. We know for a fact the Elizabeth was the same way. "I will make you proud daddy!" Was her last line in fnaf 6.
These are my thoughts on the matter and I would love to hear what others think.
Michael is William's illegitimate child. In the Fnaf ultimate guide book is the proof, specifically the Fnaf Sl section.
There is a sticky note about the imortal and the restless. To summarize, it basically states that the boy is Vlad's son. It's pretty obvious, but something else stood out. It also calls out the woman to be Vlad's mistress.
@@FatKratos69 oooh I missed that the 1st time I read that book. An interesting detail, my only hesitation is that Vlad isn't established as married, but that's the same with most of yhis franchises lore lol
@@gigibubblezz Yea i'm kind of confused too, Since Michael is the oldest. But either way it would explain why he acts up. He either doesn't feel apart of the family or fit in.
Well small thing ther a very large age gap (it seems) between all the kids. Crying child and Elizabeth are close it seems in design but William a few years older.
We arint given a timeline for when afton starts his family. Also the age gap between the 3 kids seems a lil odd ( 1 kid 4-5 years older then the other 2 that seem at most a year or 2 apart). With the I'm not the father bits he could be ether A) adopted or B) be afton step son from his wife that grew up with afton as his dad and took after him
My idea is that Michael is actually Williams illegitimate son and his wife cheated on him with Henry, which leads to William killing his wife (hence why ballora is afraid of the scooping room) and is why Afton and Henry go from friends/colleague to afton hating Henry. I could be missing info or misplacing events though.
Something I've always wondered, did Scott base Henry off of Henry Clerval from Frankenstein? They're both the level headed voice of reason trying to talk down their mad scientist friend who is seeking a cure to death
huh, interestingly enough henry from batim is also the levelheaded friend to joey, the mad scientist guy
i guess henry is just a levelheaded name
Could be! On Curse Of Dreadbear, you basically create a Frankenstein monster...
I was baffled at the whole crying child part when Matt didn’t even mention that he’s literally Gregory. Same face, same hair, same outfit, even the same Bandaid. Like a canon piece of FNAF might’ve just confirmed Greg-Bot and Matt’s talking about Psychic Friend Fredbear.
I noticed that too! I was hoping someone else saw it xD
@@christiangeek9584Same
I love Ash's theory about William being a former religious leader. It definitely doesn't fit with lore but man I love that Mat was like "No!! No!! I'm not gonna entertain that idea."
The Bidybab discussion just made me realize the fact that one of the first Sister Location teasers is "Sister Location, there was never just one" thought would be something interesting
Interesting that Security Pupper and Vanny/Vanessa both have the phrase “false sense of security”
thats actually really interesting... good eye
"Security Pupper" love it lol
Regarding the Crying Child's differing attitudes between the animatronics and the plush versions of them - I don't think it's necessarily a discrepancy. There are plenty of kids who may love, say, a movie or cartoon character, but take them to a theme park where costume characters are walking around, and they'll be terrified of them. This doesn't explain everything (e.g. why the other plushes are shoved to the corner, what sets them apart), but it's at least a partial possible explanation.
Anyways, thanks for giving us this peek into your thought process as you look at this new content - I'm looking forward to the timeline videos! And I know the FNAF theories can get a lot of flak, so I just want to say, I think it's really cool that the theories you put out aren't just one static thing you stand by forever, but things that you update and adjust as new information comes out or different perspectives are revealed; it shows that for you, it's not about being the one who finds the right answer (though obviously I'm sure you wouldn't /mind/ that), but about the answer itself - the satisfaction of solving the puzzle, even if there are missteps along the way, even if you're not the one who locks in the final piece. Keep up the good work!
I am near twenty and still dosn't like mascot costumes
Is it like the uncanny valley?
When I was younger I had a crazy frog plush, but I could never watch the axel F video because it would cause nightmares. The plush was fine though, because it didn’t move. Theoretically I could take it apart and it wouldn’t hurt me. I couldn’t do that with the video, and my mind would take that as scary. Maybe it’s the same type of theory there.
Bro wrote a whole book
@@safeeyab6291 yes
Yeah the reason Mike doesn't have a page is definitely because there's no way to tell anything "comprehensive" about him without revealing far too much.
Even if they said "Oh he's in Sister Location, FNaF 3, Pizzeria Sim" which are the only things we can really consider "confirmed" everyone will immediately say "that means he's NOT in FNaF 1!!" which might not be the case they just don't want to say it yet.
"A happy ending at last" is very interesting to me.
This paired with the Family Unit phrase is indeed more than coincidental. I'm sad Matt didn't notice it and further delved into it.
The Afton family finally having a happy ending? Feels like that's been the goal of Michael all along and for the Crying Child (Gregory) and Elizabeth(Vanny)? Happiest Day.
So, a couple of thoughts occur to me after watching this video:
1) On the topic of Mike missing from the book, once MatPat brought that up, I realized that it is also missing entries for Jeremy Fitzgerald; Phone Guy; Phone Dude; Tape Girl; Cassidy/The One You Should Not Have Killed; Fredbear; Ella, Theodore, Stanley, and the Twisted Animatronics aside from Wolf; the S.T.A.F.F. Bots; Vlad and Clara; Highschool Anime Chica; Samurai Anime Freddy and Foxy; Chica's Magic Rainbow; Animdude; or the Dreamgeist. I don't know what that means, if anything, but I thought I'd call attention to it. That's a lot of missing characters for something touting itself as a franchise's "official character encyclopedia." Honestly, Phone Guy missing seems like just as a big an omission as Mike.
2) If Mike isn't in fact an Afton like we've all thought he was... Maybe he's actually been an Emily this whole time? He'd still be doing what we all thought he was doing - going around from pizzeria to pizzeria, trying to stop William and clean up his messes - but because he's helping his dad stop his old partner, not to end his own family's murderous past.
3) On a similar note of "What if this person wasn't who we thought they were all along?": If Afton really was trying to recreate Elizabeth as a robot and the Bidybabs are her as a baby... and Circus Baby is roughly her as a child... What if this is what Ballora is? Not Afton's wife, but in fact an attempt at "Adult Elizabeth," as a sort of dark parallel to Adult Robot Charlotte?
4) Also how dare they not give Candy Cadet his own page instead of just shoving him in with the other Vendor Bots? He was the star of Pizzeria Simulator, darn it! 🍬🍬🍬
on №2, i was thinking about Mike being an Emily, but i don't think it works with the eng of fnaf 6. Henry goes out of his way to talk about his daughter Charlotte, but when it comes to the security guard, which we know for a fact is Mike, he just says that although hi had an escape prepared for the security guard, he has a feeling Michael wouldn't want to leave anyway. Which is strange, because if that's his son wouldn't he go out of his way to say how proud he is of him?
Idk i'm as confused about this timeline as everyone else.
Michael is William's illegitimate child. In the Fnaf ultimate guide book is the proof, specifically the Fnaf Sl section.
There is a sticky note about the imortal and the restless. To summarize, it basically states that the boy is Vlad's son. It's pretty obvious, but something else stood out. It also calls out the woman to be Vlad's mistress.
I caught that too, although in the books Charlie already has a brother and his name is Sammy, Micheal is the book verse too, although he is killed off eliar in the time line
Small thing it could be less complicated he could just be a step son? That fit in with the vampire stuff where the women saying he is ther child (since he takes after his new dad) but the father refusing hes his son. He could be Bayloras son before afton. Would explain why hes so close to his younger children since ther "his"
For you whole Crying Child plushie discussion at 1:05:00, there is a difference from a child seeing a teddy bear, and a child encountering a full grown bear in the wild.
Also at 1:15:26, you forget, that the episodes make is apparent that the son *is* his child, via vampire thraits shenanigans, and the father's refusal is made to be almost comedic (depends on your type of humor)
He liked the fredbear and friends cartoon, but not the animatronics. "Remember what you saw"
I love having Ash on for this. Them not knowing about FNAF as much and their unique brand of humor really vibes with Mat's total FNAF insanity. 😂
I love Ash's concerned "Who's little Joe" when looking at the table of contents. EDIT: Also, the take of William being a religious figure with the "Father" notion 😆
petition to do more of these...
it is very interesting to hear Mat theorize, and also Ash reactions to certain pictures...
Knowing what the subreddit thinks about this book...this video will be interesting to say the least.
There's at least 10 reviews on UA-cam calling this book trash....bodes well doesn't it?
@@antidotebrain69 if matpatt takes this book seriously we’re fucked
@@nerdyworld938 well and truly, but we'll still come crawling back when he inevitably changes the entire timeline and completely ignores his temporary bout of insanity. Scott help us....
Yeah but it's always entertaining to watch the insanity is it not?
@@antidotebrain69 how could Scott allow such a trash book to be published?
The section where they were debating if Micheal is really an Afton or not just made my brain go blue screen and I honestly don't know what to feel about it
In Michaels speech to William at the end of ST, he tells him that the animatronics though he was William, implying that they share some physical resemblance, but if William and Henry are brothers or related in some sorts, an uncle and a nephew could like similar
Important thing to note about Elizabeth’s death! When baby recalls it she notes the amount of children in the room and how Elizabeth was the only one. Which would make it more so impossible for the crying child to see. Baby also recalls how the children come back into the room as if they never noticed Elizabeth disappeared (I’m pretty sure?). All of this is based on my memory but I’m not sure that’s what the crying child saw that scared him! 29:28
OMG the FNAF Encyclopedia, a live theory crafting incoming
very excited
@Don't Read My Profile Picture I won’t then, Thx
Or just ignore the lying trash it is
I always thought the different "I will put you back together" text was clolored differently as a more broken version of William and I also thought that because, of how it's more darker. A much more intense violetnter version of him.