Hopefully, we'll see this marvelous gentleman again, once his book is released. Looking to my past, I completely relate to the vicious cycle of salt-dehydration-fructose production and insulin stimulants. Thank you 🙏🏻, Geoffrey
The Fat Switch published by mercola.com 2012; audio version at Amazon . The earlier book: Sugar Fix is a must read also but Prof. J hadn't conceived the Switch info at that point.
Wow! This talk has to be heard again ... I want to better digest the info re the role and creation of fructose within the body ....Salt, water, fat .... I didn't know the body could create fructose ... Much to munch on as I continue this already 2 year journey into low carb/keto/carnivore learning. My journal notes help me to remember the rich information that the youtube medium allows us to hear. More and more it seems that flexibility is a key word with health optimization. Thank you, Geoffrey, for all that you do to help our learning!
Fruit does not seem to be a problem even though its fructose, Fruit is negatively correlated with cancer, heart disease , diabetes, and obesity. Very healthy!
This was so detailed. I'm so thankful for this content. I learned so much. It's all very compelling and all the pathways and mechanisms make so much sense to me.
This was fascinating and really quite a game-changer. I wonder if this will hit the keto space much like Dr. Ben Bikman’s talk on glucagon/insulin levels in a keto vs SAD context. Great info!!!
Oh man! Another contradiction to not eat a lot of salt which most keto community docs say is something that‘s not a problem... These constant mixed messages are very frustrating to say the least!
Couldn't agree with you more. We're given very confused messages from all sorts of areas as to what we should/shouldn't eat. I prefer Dr Lustig's approach. He's down on fructose, so far as sugar and HFCS is concerned, but has a relaxed approach to food and sources of glucose. Furthermore, I believe (as, admittedly does this guy) that the occasional sweet treat is not something to get hung up about. I believe he allowed himself and his children one soda and one dessert a week. Sounds sensible to me. If I avoid, which I'm determined to do, obvious sources of sugar, if I'm eating out, or with friends and there's a dollop of sugar "hidden" in the meal, I'll be quite relaxed about it.
With salt, it's more complicated. 1) prof. Johnson did a study which showed that osmolality is more important than just the pure amount of salt. So eating salt while drinking enough water is good. 2) the salt intake in the kidneys is regulated by insulin. So if you are hyperinsulinaemic, you will be salt sensitive. 3) there is a link between urate (uric acid) and salt sensitivity as well. Again, we know this thanks to prof. Johnson and his research. 4) low sodium intake is definitely related to increased all-cause mortality. So the advice to eat enough salt with a ketogenic diet may actually be right - as long as you drink a lot of water. When eating a lot of carbohydrates you should eat less salt.
@@btudrus types of carbs and not table salt. EAT NATURAL SALT LIKE HIMALAYAN AND OTHER TYPES WHCH HAVE ALL THE MINERALS OUR BODY CRAVES. Med chain carbs are good. High fructose’s and all (oses) are not good. Diabetics come in all shapes and sizes. Get genetic testing. It reveals the areas needing attention. Diabetics all in my family. Dr Ben Lynch a natural Dr has the strategene test to order from his SEEKING HEALTH website to order. His supplements gives so much info and how it affects the body. His videos on his own website are very informative.
The reason is seems to conflict is most people eat processed food which has a lot of salt. When you eat whole food while doing keto, you may not get your daily requirement, yes requirement! Did you hear him say that when eating keto you burn fat, you release water and salt. The example was eating salted peanuts. Anything in excess is too much.
Right guy for the job for sure. Not only does he have the intelligence, but also all the necessary background and a nac for digging in there good and deep to see whats really going on. I’ve heard him go into more detail about the research they are doing in another talk, and all of it is top notch, always keeping the variables realistic and on level. Nothing like the misrepresented research that is so prevalent out there today.
I am interested in why Asian cultures, that almost universally use white rice as a staple food, generally have lesser rates of obesity. Is there some mechanism in these traditional diets that blunts the conversion of rice glucose to fructose?
Unfortunately, Asians tend to end up with visceral fat as opposed to subcutaneous fat and rates for diabetes and CVD is even higher than in the US including areas in India too. I think the use of ubiquitous seed oils plays a part as well.
So, yeah, a lot of salt is bad, but we already knew that, and when you go low carb, you are dropping all processed foods, which are loaded with ...... salt! So low carb is low salt. I'll continue to use salt liberally on my low carb high fat diet to avoid being too low in sodium.
Absolutely. The portion where he says salt MAGICALLY TURNS IN TO FRUCTOSE lol I was thinking ummmm nooooooooo lol I salt all my meats fish eggs veg and love it and 10 months strong strict keto and I’m not FAT and my labs drawn last week do not indicate fatty liver whatsoever
I have been a real salt pig for maybe half a year and my blood sodium is maybe a teeny, teeny bit below the normal. I am concerned now to find out what he really means here. I think it might be a bit more complicated. I am very close to zero carb.
@@Billy97ify He does explain it in scientific and biological detail ie the ATP pathways etc with Peter Attia - any interview is only as informative as the questions asked by the interviewer. ..😁
This was a very informative interview. I am interested in finding out how much salt intake is too much for someone who has metabolic syndrome/type 2 diabetes.
SO AM I! It’s a real quandary for me because I experience irregular heartbeat which arrived after I began intermittent fasting combined with Very Low Carb. I’m certain it is from loss of sodium, but I have always been frighteningly sensitive to sodium, so I don’t know how much salt to add to my “ low-sodium” eating plan. 😱 ( But eating this way has knocked of 9 pounds in two months and my BP and Glucose readings have dropped nicely along with the weight.) 👍😋
@Richard A O'Donnell M, et al. N Engl J Med 2014; 371: 612-623 lo DOI: 10.1056/NEJMoa1311889 Https://doi.org/10.1056/NEJMoa1311889 www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1311889 102,000 people assessed for urinary sodium and then followed for 3.7 yrs Note: few if any of this population were in nutritional ketosis, which would limit the upside risk of sodium intake while increasing the downside ----- Salt and cardiovascular disease: insufficient evidence to recommend low sodium intake Martin O’Donnell, Andrew Mente, Michael H Alderman, Adrian J B Brady, Rafael Diaz, Rajeev Gupta, Patricio López-Jaramillo, Friedrich C Luft, Thomas F Lüscher, Giuseppe Mancia ... Show more European Heart Journal, Volume 41, Issue 35, 14 September 2020, Pages 3363-3373, doi.org/10.1093/eurheartj/ehaa58 The political nature of salt www.crossfit.com/essentials/the-political-science-of-salt?fbclid=IwAR2FlWx1m0yvN56it3i1M4iKV1curgIfmyn82u3iQXQ0p9v0mNKtIDLytTo
Probably not quite as simple as 'how much salt'. In Peter Attia's podcast Dr Johnson mentions that serum salt concentration is what matters. So ingesting salt with more water can reduce the effect of the salt....
I just went from 210 pounds to 183 pounds. I'm 6' tall. Ketogenic diet, exercise, and eliminating fruit and fructose fruit are the reasons. I'm 73 years old. I've been studying this science for decades. A calorie is not a calorie. Fat doesn't make you fat. I have elevated uric acid and gout. Allopurinol helps, but eliminating fruit, except for berries, green bananas, and avocados made a difference and my uric acid levels are normal now. I have an internist and a cardiologist follow up with cholesterol particle studies and all other blood tests and chemistries. Metabolic syndrome is hard to break but it can be done. Great lecture!!!!
@@tohopes I shift to vegan after keto. I'm down to 175 pounds. I work out every day. I'll be 74 in March. Swimming, walking, weights, and resistance exercise. My friends all say I'm looking great. Ketogenic diets are not sustainable. But it is possible to be vegan and reduce carbs to low glycemic, high fiber, low fructose, no sugar, no processed food. I'm trying to get down to 165 pounds. Keep that midline waist measurement well below 40 inches for a man.
@@tohopes Thank you for pointing that out. I am trying to see if veganism with shrink my enlarged prostate. At 73 years old, many men have that BPH. I have eaten soft-boiled eggs every morning for 20 years until recently. I am very sharp mentally but have to get up frequently to urinate at night. Maybe we must choose the lesser of two evils. Waking up all night dulls the mind. I will look into your suggestion and greatly appreciate your comment. I
I really like the fact that he ties in so much evolutionarily information I believe this to be much more important than drug companies running short trails. We are here today because of what our ancestors have been doing for the last is 20 million years and beyond. The strong survive.
Get yourself a couple big bags of chocolate, 8-10 pounds, and allow yourself to enjoy it without worry and watch what happens over the next 2 weeks. Last time I got into the candy drawer was the last time I’ll be going there. Just slammed on the pounds. It was probably an 8 pound binge that took about 2 weeks to finish an I found myself up a sluggish 5 pounds just like that. Took me six weeks to get rid of it. It was addictive madness at its worst. I’m 61, so results may be different for the youngsters out there.
I really want to know what is going on with this salt issue. I suspect it is more complicated with multiple variables influencing salt regulation. I have never heard of the body producing fructose before, but I am no expert. So far, all I can find is that fructose may be produced in the brain, influenced by high glucose. I really don't have the expertise to criticize the paper. It may be bollocks.
His book "The Fat Switch" is available from Amazon and was published in 2012. The description of the book appears to cover a lot of the information in this video including the anthropological background.
My mother who is 80 was last month for a month at an icu in one of the easter european countries. She had fallen in her flat and layed there for 3 days. So she was severly dehydrated. Her kidneys were failing and the stupid doctors gave her insane amounts of sugar (sucrose). I was protesting, I have even printed out the study prof. Johnson and others did in rodents which showed that dieatary fructose worsened kidney failure and gave it to the doctors. But they just ignored it. How comes, fructose / sucrose is even allowed in the ICU and in the hospital at all. This is so ridiculous!
WOW WOW WOW !!! Prof J getting his knowledge. Metabolic Diseases are a choice and so listen carefully. New Info.: 1. Fructose is also made by body. 2. High salt > dehydrates (duh)! BUT also leads to seeking out high carbs, glucose, for fructose conversion. The purpose? TO INCREASE FAT STORAGE (by creating insulin resistance) This is a survival mutation (thats now killing us!) I have to listen to all these Prof J interviews and again !
@H.V.M.N / This was such a great interview and insight on Glucose Fructose relation. Only question I have is when talking about salt are we referring to (sodium) salt, the most common way of consumption OR is Potassium salt also dropped into the same basket in the context of salt -> Fructose conversion?
Great talk but the one obvious question that I kept waiting to come up was the role of fruits? Is the fructose from fruits metabolized in the same way or different rule set applies to fruits?
It is not the first time salt gets the blame. IIRC either Dr. Ludwig or Dr. Lustig is also against the salt. However I'd like to know what is definition of "high salt diet"? Also. Would be interesting to hear opinions of Dr. Berry as well as Dr. Saladino (especially since he eats honey on his carnivore diet).
Yes me too. High and low are comparative terms. Also unclear is the definition of salt. Is it table salt soduim chloride or salts as in the periodic table ie potassium, magnesium etc?
Just now getting to view this topic. Very interesting take on how fructose is affecting things. Especially with the salt talk. I am curious as others about the other benefits of more/better salt solutions while doing LCHF. Are the added benefits of the electrolytes important? Looks like Peter Attia did an interview with Dr Johnson back in July discussing the same subject. An almost 2 hour video that I need to watch. Also more recently I am seeing some long time carnivores discussing salt and electrolytes. Isabella, Steak and Butter Gal, has done one recently on why she cut way back in her salt consumption. She actually added salt to her diet and discussed how it affected her specifically. Very interesting. Then watching Kelly Hogan and her other long term carnivores discuss salt. Quite a few have the opposite a similar opinion about salt. Less may be better. All very interesting.
I think the main point here is people are eating all day long and then actually the food is not really good for their health like fruit apples and stuff amazingly enough it won't kill you at the first bite but then we realize you go through a couple days or a couple of months a bad diet then you start to get a stomach ache and all you have to do is stop eating for 10 hours
God is trusting you to eat the right amount of food you know when you talk about diet and nutrition there has to be a time to eat and time not to eat and most people never stop eating they eat all day long
Question: what steps can we take then to reverse fatty liver, insolent resistance, metabolic syndrome? I have read so many examples of low carb high fat keto diet and intermittent fasting working for people. Can we continue with this with careful use of salt and drinking enough water to prevent or minimize the production of fructose and still reduce insulin and loose weight safely?
for the high salt to lead high fructose mechanisms, could it be in different by saying one group is in healthy metabolic (stable healthy level blood sugar) vs another group is already in worst situations (high blood sugar) ?
He does not say whether the study was done with normal table salt or iodine salt.thats very important. All keto/carnivore docs with utube channels say do salt to taste (body will tell u how much electrolytes u need from salt)
@@benzhao6321 Drink to thirst not more ! See Dr Tim Noakes’s work . Tim Noakes on the Serious Problem of Overhydration in Endurance Sports Jun 19, 2012 www.outsideonline.com/1900801/tim-noakes-serious-problem-overhydration-endurance-sports Tim Noakes on overhydration in athletes 00:00 18/06/2012 m.health24.com/diet-and-nutrition/beverages/tim-noakes-on-overhydration-in-athletes-20120721 More dietary nonsense! Just drink to thirst and no more ! Water Intoxication: Just How Much H2O Does It Take To Kill A Person? Dec 3, 2014 04:25 PM www.medicaldaily.com/water-intoxication-just-how-much-h2o-does-it-take-kill-person-312958
I don't know about his theories on salt - I don't see Bears trying to eat potato chips before hibernation. He could be right about dehydration but I have always noticed I don't have to go to the bathroom as much when I am eating sugar... I think this is because the water is shunted into the fat, and then your body doesn't have any.
it's not that bears eat potato chips with salt. It's when they don't have enough water to drink, their salt serum concentration increases, and this tells the body to produce fat, which can be burned for water. In terms of mutations that gave us a survival advantage, salt concentration was only 'supposed' to increase from lack of water, and evolution could not have predicted salty potato chips would have the same effect. so now we suffer the consequences, i.e. a case of an environmental mismatch.
Two of the great people the Romans and the Chinese both had grain based diets. Neither were fat. I was sick as a dog until I cut down on meat and have based my diet on sprouted grain bread for almost 50 years. I do not argue with Keto. If it works for you fine, but I question the over consumption of protein and the liver damage. White bread is poison.
what about the role of insulin to signal to the kidneys to hold on to salt... did you keep track of the salt after intake, how much that was excreted? and what was the basic diet? did the subjects eat low carb or high?
Why does insulin signal kidneys. Kidneys retain salt to retain water as a reaction to high glucose. When insulin collapse later in disease retention increase because higher blod sugar ...
At 18:20 The speaker has yet to define “a high salt “ diet ! Is that (a) according to the USDA? (B) what people on a SAD diet naturally take in? (C) Some data from a an RCT ? If so please post the DOI
Re-listening to this after two years. I’m still hung up on him bashing salt👎🏼So ridiculous. I’ve played with some high carb intake since my last comment and I get inflamed, put on fat, workout/endurance suffers, sleep suffers, mood suffers, etc. All you Ketosis ppl knows what happens when you fall off and turn back in to a sugar burner! But the second I come back to keto (I do higher protein and not super high fat) I drop so much puffiness, pain and inflammation gone from my knees/entire body and my stamina goes up for my runs (third marathon coming up in 4 weeks). I put salt on my eggs, fish, beef and veggies. Always. Redmonds Real Salt. And I’m lean and fit af. But if I don’t have the salt, everything suffers. He might need to discuss further with Dr Nicolantonio. Probably spelled his name wrong but you know who I’m talking about! :) Fat adapted endurance training for the win! Fasted marathons all day baby😏
🥇 The BEST, most USEFUL, HELPFUL, STRAIGHTFORWARD interview with Dr Johnson I have EVER heard! (Peter Attica does a good job, too-but unfortunately, there is way too much personal chatter in his podcasts.). Here, it is immediately ALL about the science and I love you for that, Geoffrey👍❤️
Just coming across this salt, water, fructose info. My brother's sodium is always low. Salts everything and is thin with too low blood pressure. Loves and eats carbs...potatoes, rice, pasta, corn, Lima beans, etc also eats fruits, stuff with seed oils and added sugar. I'm the opposite. I eat no additional salt, do my best to eat single ingredient foods, more protein than carbs, try for clean. Yet my blood pressure off of meds spikes high...I've tried adding salt..no change. I don't get it. :-(
Low salt? Is he taking about the proper salt or the bleached table salt? Besides fructose from our ancestors cannot be compared today. Even if they ate loads of fruits the amount of fiber in the fruits itself offset the sugary uptake. Fiber is nature’s antidote to these. The sweetest fruits or highest contexts of sugar has the most fibers too. Today’s fructose especially from HF corn syrup is engineered to make profit. Anecdote: I rather have high salt than have muscles aches, blood pressure problems, mental focus problems, electrolyte imbalance, fatigue, low stomach acid etc... Insulin is still the primary diver of fat storage, high salt of having salt while on fasting does not stimulate insulin. If my body will generate insulin production by endogenous fuel conversion while fasting so be it. But I will never go back to low salt ever again!!!!!
Yes you when it comes to fruits, and I wouldn’t totally dismiss fiber either, the fiber from nature that are not genetically modified. Dismissing fiber is like denouncing your microbiome, and you would not like that quick sugar uptake in the blood stream would you? He talks about slowly eating the cake, well fiber can even take it slower. Try eating your fruits then without the fiber or juice it and see the result.
It has been known that the body naturally converts 3-30% of glucose to fructose depending on metabolic state and carb intake. The interviewee did keep talking about high salt in the context to higher carbs.
@@kagiwpilipinas4875 I disagree! Modern fruits are just tree candies! Fiber is a waste of chewing! Fiber being a subset of carbohydrates is NOT essential in the human diet! Fruits, vegetables and fiber are just modern myths to sell rubbish foods !
10:36-10:42 What the 😲😨? I kinda see this phenomenon is some kids, less than an hour of consuming loads of carbs...sandwich/ cream biscuits and fruit juices etc.
You completely lost me at “I would love to see severe taxes”. Giving the govt, one that is largely complicit in the obesity epidemic, another tool to bludgeon people is a bridge too far.
CP Kelco Okmulgee Oklahoma a GMO corn syrup food additive factory. High fructose GMO corn syrup main cause of obesity conditions such as metabolic syndrome.
If you would compare the sad American diet the standard American diet to a car it'd be like you're putting too much gas into the cylinder and you check the fuel trim and it says too much gas not enough air which means exercise and fasting
These days I think cookies and crackers and bread and chips Doritos in a sense it's really bad for your health I mean donuts everybody knows donuts are bad for your health and you think you can eat it once a week but that may be too often
Fructose is in everything green & healthy so if you're eating alot of it, (as experts recommend) then you're also upping your fructose that way. You can't win!
"Fructose is in everything green & healthy" 1) No, it isn't. Glucose is but fructose is basically only in fruit. 2) The question is whether "green" is healthy. There are many reasons why this may not be the case and why eating animal foods only is the more healthier way. 3) Fructose in fruit is not as bad as refined fructose or sucrose as the fibre slows down the uptake of fructose in the small intestine and this will give time to the liver to cope with it. That said, even fructose in fruit causes insulin resistance to some degree - otherwise we as humans would not be here...
Geoffrey, about the salt, I just watched a few days ago a UT vid from Dr Lustig where he mentioned a Mcgill university study of 100K people where the results said you need about 4grams a day and that less is not good and more is better. And now Dr. Johnson says if you are on low carb then too much is bad(produces fructose). Maybe you can dig a little deeper into this. Thanks.
I remember seeing a rather large meta analysis that indicated 4-5g of sodium is optimal for lower all cause mortality. All cause to the minimum amount of sodium (900mg) is the highest on the chart I had seen. while the same all cause for the maximum recommended (2300mg of sodium or 2.3g) is approximately the same as 10g of sodium (or 20g of salt roughly).
@@noblumoon Actually, now I'm not 100% sure it was Lustig. I watched so many of them in a short period, it may have been one from Noakes or Phinney, sorry.
Hmm this was good until he basically says that high salt intake will magically turn in to fructose in your body and make you fat😑. I listened to him explain his rationale and it still makes no sense. Making a calorie dense macro from a mineral? No. Also I’ve been keto for 10 months with hella high salt and I’m an ANIMAL and didn’t get FAT in 5 months like he says will happen lol this is the leanest and strongest and tightest I have ever been. And I came from very low salt vegan diet. But eat salt with high carbs, of course you’ll be fat! And bloated! And hypertensive! And retain water! And develop fatty liver! But strict keto with salt on all your meats and eggs fish and veg and the salt turn in to fructose and make you fat? I’m sorry but that’s one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard haha. I’ll still Listen to the rest of this talk though so I can hear more bashing on fructose! 🤣
Oh good, I was worried he'd say fruit is bad! I eat apples, pears, watermelon and pineapple, but I'm dairy, gluten and grain free. 150 grams protein a day from seafood and pastured chicken. LOTS of green veges. 5'10", 128lbs. 42 yrs old.
We are all different. I'm 38 been keto last 2 years and aged 24.5 kg in 6 months. I do keto with low carb with carnivore all mixed depending on the day. If I eat fruits (same in past when on standard diet) I put on weight instantly. I like fruit but if I want to stay lean I cant eat it. I love dairy thou. I can eat cottage cheese like u eat bananas lol
@@relaxgood512 i am a MD. it is not an allegy. the one % are intolerant. Besides that many people are sensitive to gluten and too much of it will harm everybody. i am not against eating bread or pasta every now and then but it should be in moderation. otherwise you risk inflammation in your gut and it might also trigger autoimmune diseases.
@@hiraijo1582 I went Plant Based 7 years ago, my blood pressure and all my blood markers are much better now in my 60s than when I was in my 30s. I have learned one thing in 7 years, if you stay away from processed food, fast food, restaurant food as much as possible and adulterated cooking oils sold in the grocery store anyone will be much healthier no matter what kind of diet you are on. Bad fats in the cells are causing many diseases.
@@relaxgood512 i agree. avoiding processed foods, sugars and seed oils will do a great benefit and maybe you are one of the lucky ones, who can tolerate higher amounts of grain. most people don`t. just listen to your body. if you feel good on your diet, go on. than it might be the best diet for you. best from austria
Carbohydrates from whole foods is good for you. I went Plant Based 7 years ago, lost 30 lbs. in the first 6 months and have kept the weight off. I am in my 60s and my blood pressure, Hemoglobin A1C, Blood Glucose, Triglycerides, are better now than when I was in my 30s. Please distinguish between refined carbs and unrefined carbs.
@@elzee4253Too many myths out there. People who box themselves into food camps are foolish. Read ALL the Science and open your eyes. Eliminating whole grains from a diet is more than foolish.
You had me until the hypothesis that we came from Apes. God created us in HIS image and I don’t believe the creator of Heaven and Earth dragged his knuckles.
Hopefully, we'll see this marvelous gentleman again, once his book is released. Looking to my past, I completely relate to the vicious cycle of salt-dehydration-fructose production and insulin stimulants.
Thank you 🙏🏻, Geoffrey
The Fat Switch published by mercola.com 2012; audio version at Amazon . The earlier book: Sugar Fix is a must read also but Prof. J hadn't conceived the Switch info at that point.
@@nelsnels1219 he doesn't recommend cutting all salt, but more to make sure you drink enough water to balance the salt intake
Wow! This talk has to be heard again ... I want to better digest the info re the role and creation of fructose within the body ....Salt, water, fat .... I didn't know the body could create fructose ... Much to munch on as I continue this already 2 year journey into low carb/keto/carnivore learning. My journal notes help me to remember the rich information that the youtube medium allows us to hear. More and more it seems that flexibility is a key word with health optimization. Thank you, Geoffrey, for all that you do to help our learning!
Fruit does not seem to be a problem even though its fructose, Fruit is negatively correlated with cancer, heart disease , diabetes, and obesity. Very healthy!
This was so detailed. I'm so thankful for this content. I learned so much. It's all very compelling and all the pathways and mechanisms make so much sense to me.
This was fascinating and really quite a game-changer. I wonder if this will hit the keto space much like Dr. Ben Bikman’s talk on glucagon/insulin levels in a keto vs SAD context. Great info!!!
Oh man! Another contradiction to not eat a lot of salt which most keto community docs say is something that‘s not a problem... These constant mixed messages are very frustrating to say the least!
Couldn't agree with you more. We're given very confused messages from all sorts of areas as to what we should/shouldn't eat.
I prefer Dr Lustig's approach. He's down on fructose, so far as sugar and HFCS is concerned, but has a relaxed approach to food and sources of glucose.
Furthermore, I believe (as, admittedly does this guy) that the occasional sweet treat is not something to get hung up about.
I believe he allowed himself and his children one soda and one dessert a week.
Sounds sensible to me.
If I avoid, which I'm determined to do, obvious sources of sugar, if I'm eating out, or with friends and there's a dollop of sugar "hidden" in the meal, I'll be quite relaxed about it.
With salt, it's more complicated.
1) prof. Johnson did a study which showed that osmolality is more important than just the pure amount of salt. So eating salt while drinking enough water is good.
2) the salt intake in the kidneys is regulated by insulin. So if you are hyperinsulinaemic, you will be salt sensitive.
3) there is a link between urate (uric acid) and salt sensitivity as well. Again, we know this thanks to prof. Johnson and his research.
4) low sodium intake is definitely related to increased all-cause mortality.
So the advice to eat enough salt with a ketogenic diet may actually be right - as long as you drink a lot of water.
When eating a lot of carbohydrates you should eat less salt.
@@btudrus types of carbs and not table salt. EAT NATURAL SALT LIKE HIMALAYAN AND OTHER TYPES WHCH HAVE ALL THE MINERALS OUR BODY CRAVES. Med chain carbs are good. High fructose’s and all (oses) are not good. Diabetics come in all shapes and sizes. Get genetic testing. It reveals the areas needing attention. Diabetics all in my family. Dr Ben Lynch a natural Dr has the strategene test to order from his SEEKING HEALTH website to order. His supplements gives so much info and how it affects the body. His videos on his own website are very informative.
He has said enough weird stuff to question if he actually understands the science.
The reason is seems to conflict is most people eat processed food which has a lot of salt. When you eat whole food while doing keto, you may not get your daily requirement, yes requirement! Did you hear him say that when eating keto you burn fat, you release water and salt. The example was eating salted peanuts. Anything in excess is too much.
Lots of new important info here for us keto "experts" to think about.
How can such an important podcast have only 11k views?
Such a wonderfull talk!!
Glad you loved it. :)
Right guy for the job for sure. Not only does he have the intelligence, but also all the necessary background and a nac for digging in there good and deep to see whats really going on. I’ve heard him go into more detail about the research they are doing in another talk, and all of it is top notch, always keeping the variables realistic and on level. Nothing like the misrepresented research that is so prevalent out there today.
My goodness,this was a mind bender! Well done Geoff,fascinating interview.I will be looking out for the Professors progress in this area.Exciting.
I am interested in why Asian cultures, that almost universally use white rice as a staple food, generally have lesser rates of obesity. Is there some mechanism in these traditional diets that blunts the conversion of rice glucose to fructose?
Unfortunately, Asians tend to end up with visceral fat as opposed to subcutaneous fat and rates for diabetes and CVD is even higher than in the US including areas in India too. I think the use of ubiquitous seed oils plays a part as well.
So, yeah, a lot of salt is bad, but we already knew that, and when you go low carb, you are dropping all processed foods, which are loaded with ...... salt! So low carb is low salt. I'll continue to use salt liberally on my low carb high fat diet to avoid being too low in sodium.
Absolutely. The portion where he says salt MAGICALLY TURNS IN TO FRUCTOSE lol I was thinking ummmm nooooooooo lol I salt all my meats fish eggs veg and love it and 10 months strong strict keto and I’m not FAT and my labs drawn last week do not indicate fatty liver whatsoever
I have been a real salt pig for maybe half a year and my blood sodium is maybe a teeny, teeny bit below the normal. I am concerned now to find out what he really means here. I think it might be a bit more complicated. I am very close to zero carb.
@@Billy97ify If you also listen to him being interviewed by Peter Attia, he goes into more detail about the salt issue .
@@beatahst1740 The more I watched of it, the less confidence I had in him. He doesn't know nearly as much as he thinks he does.
@@Billy97ify He does explain it in scientific and biological detail ie the ATP pathways etc with Peter Attia - any interview is only as informative as the questions asked by the interviewer. ..😁
This was a very informative interview. I am interested in finding out how much salt intake is too much for someone who has metabolic syndrome/type 2 diabetes.
SO AM I! It’s a real quandary for me because I experience irregular heartbeat which arrived after I began intermittent fasting combined with Very Low Carb. I’m certain it is from loss of sodium, but I have always been frighteningly sensitive to sodium, so I don’t know how much salt to add to my “ low-sodium” eating plan. 😱 ( But eating this way has knocked of 9 pounds in two months and my BP and Glucose readings have dropped nicely along with the weight.) 👍😋
@Richard A
O'Donnell M, et al. N Engl J Med 2014; 371: 612-623 lo
DOI: 10.1056/NEJMoa1311889
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102,000 people assessed for urinary sodium and then followed for 3.7 yrs
Note: few if any of this population were in nutritional ketosis, which would limit the upside risk of sodium intake while increasing the downside
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Salt and cardiovascular disease: insufficient evidence to recommend low sodium intake
Martin O’Donnell, Andrew Mente, Michael H Alderman, Adrian J B Brady, Rafael Diaz, Rajeev Gupta, Patricio López-Jaramillo, Friedrich C Luft, Thomas F Lüscher, Giuseppe Mancia ... Show more
European Heart Journal, Volume 41, Issue 35, 14 September 2020, Pages 3363-3373, doi.org/10.1093/eurheartj/ehaa58
The political nature of salt
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Get your potassium! Dr Berg
Follow on UA-cam Dr. Ken D. Berry for a ton of excellent carnivore keto videos.
Probably not quite as simple as 'how much salt'. In Peter Attia's podcast Dr Johnson mentions that serum salt concentration is what matters. So ingesting salt with more water can reduce the effect of the salt....
Really valuable interview. I'm glad to find it.
I just went from 210 pounds to 183 pounds. I'm 6' tall. Ketogenic diet, exercise, and eliminating fruit and fructose fruit are the reasons. I'm 73 years old.
I've been studying this science for decades. A calorie is not a calorie. Fat doesn't make you fat.
I have elevated uric acid and gout. Allopurinol helps, but eliminating fruit, except for berries, green bananas, and avocados made a difference and my uric acid levels are normal now.
I have an internist and a cardiologist follow up with cholesterol particle studies and all other blood tests and chemistries.
Metabolic syndrome is hard to break but it can be done.
Great lecture!!!!
how can you eat green bananas tho.
@@tohopes I shift to vegan after keto. I'm down to 175 pounds. I work out every day. I'll be 74 in March. Swimming, walking, weights, and resistance exercise. My friends all say I'm looking great.
Ketogenic diets are not sustainable. But it is possible to be vegan and reduce carbs to low glycemic, high fiber, low fructose, no sugar, no processed food. I'm trying to get down to 165 pounds. Keep that midline waist measurement well below 40 inches for a man.
@@wcbibb you should eat eggs. the human brain needs a lot of choline.
@@tohopes Thank you for pointing that out.
I am trying to see if veganism with shrink my enlarged prostate. At 73 years old, many men have that BPH.
I have eaten soft-boiled eggs every morning for 20 years until recently. I am very sharp mentally but have to get up frequently to urinate at night. Maybe we must choose the lesser of two evils. Waking up all night dulls the mind.
I will look into your suggestion and greatly appreciate your comment.
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Excellent presentation. I just subscribed to this station
I really like the fact that he ties in so much evolutionarily information I believe this to be much more important than drug companies running short trails. We are here today because of what our ancestors have been doing for the last is 20 million years and beyond. The strong survive.
Get yourself a couple big bags of chocolate, 8-10 pounds, and allow yourself to enjoy it without worry and watch what happens over the next 2 weeks. Last time I got into the candy drawer was the last time I’ll be going there. Just slammed on the pounds. It was probably an 8 pound binge that took about 2 weeks to finish an I found myself up a sluggish 5 pounds just like that. Took me six weeks to get rid of it. It was addictive madness at its worst. I’m 61, so results may be different for the youngsters out there.
Really wonderful discussion!
I really want to know what is going on with this salt issue. I suspect it is more complicated with multiple variables influencing salt regulation. I have never heard of the body producing fructose before, but I am no expert. So far, all I can find is that fructose may be produced in the brain, influenced by high glucose. I really don't have the expertise to criticize the paper. It may be bollocks.
His book "The Fat Switch" is available from Amazon and was published in 2012. The description of the book appears to cover a lot of the information in this video including the anthropological background.
YES! It’s a great book, and AMAZINGLY. wide-reaching and for-ward looking given its publication date. 😋👍☀️
My mother who is 80 was last month for a month at an icu in one of the easter european countries. She had fallen in her flat and layed there for 3 days. So she was severly dehydrated. Her kidneys were failing and the stupid doctors gave her insane amounts of sugar (sucrose). I was protesting, I have even printed out the study prof. Johnson and others did in rodents which showed that dieatary fructose worsened kidney failure and gave it to the doctors. But they just ignored it.
How comes, fructose / sucrose is even allowed in the ICU and in the hospital at all. This is so ridiculous!
Wow!! Great Info!! I will be sharing this.
Coming from the future and have read said book. Still very much enjoyed this talk. Thank you.
Go read the book, it has many mind bending things
WOW WOW WOW !!! Prof J getting his knowledge. Metabolic Diseases are a choice and so listen carefully. New Info.: 1. Fructose is also made by body. 2. High salt > dehydrates (duh)! BUT also leads to seeking out high carbs, glucose, for fructose conversion. The purpose? TO INCREASE FAT STORAGE (by creating insulin resistance) This is a survival mutation (thats now killing us!) I have to listen to all these Prof J interviews and again !
If this is true, why do fat people have to drink water at all if fasting?
Hmmm. Siim Land says that waterless fasting promotes burning of fat to generate water, not fructose activated accumulation of fat.
@H.V.M.N / This was such a great interview and insight on Glucose Fructose relation. Only question I have is when talking about salt are we referring to (sodium) salt, the most common way of consumption OR is Potassium salt also dropped into the same basket in the context of salt -> Fructose conversion?
Great talk but the one obvious question that I kept waiting to come up was the role of fruits? Is the fructose from fruits metabolized in the same way or different rule set applies to fruits?
It is not the first time salt gets the blame. IIRC either Dr. Ludwig or Dr. Lustig is also against the salt.
However I'd like to know what is definition of "high salt diet"?
Also. Would be interesting to hear opinions of Dr. Berry as well as Dr. Saladino (especially since he eats honey on his carnivore diet).
Yes me too. High and low are comparative terms. Also unclear is the definition of salt. Is it table salt soduim chloride or salts as in the periodic table ie potassium, magnesium etc?
Me too. Irritated that it wasn't defined. My guess is that 99% of people who are doing Keto are not following a high salt diet.
Just now getting to view this topic. Very interesting take on how fructose is affecting things. Especially with the salt talk. I am curious as others about the other benefits of more/better salt solutions while doing LCHF. Are the added benefits of the electrolytes important? Looks like Peter Attia did an interview with Dr Johnson back in July discussing the same subject. An almost 2 hour video that I need to watch.
Also more recently I am seeing some long time carnivores discussing salt and electrolytes. Isabella, Steak and Butter Gal, has done one recently on why she cut way back in her salt consumption. She actually added salt to her diet and discussed how it affected her specifically. Very interesting. Then watching Kelly Hogan and her other long term carnivores discuss salt. Quite a few have the opposite a similar opinion about salt. Less may be better. All very interesting.
Very interesting... especially glucose to fructose conversion.
I think the main point here is people are eating all day long and then actually the food is not really good for their health like fruit apples and stuff amazingly enough it won't kill you at the first bite but then we realize you go through a couple days or a couple of months a bad diet then you start to get a stomach ache and all you have to do is stop eating for 10 hours
It would be helpful to drink ACV in water when eating a high glycemic food in other words would it help prevent the fructose switch mechanism?
Ty for this!
Excellent interview. Thanks.
God is trusting you to eat the right amount of food you know when you talk about diet and nutrition there has to be a time to eat and time not to eat and most people never stop eating they eat all day long
Question: what steps can we take then to reverse fatty liver, insolent resistance, metabolic syndrome? I have read so many examples of low carb high fat keto diet and intermittent fasting working for people. Can we continue with this with careful use of salt and drinking enough water to prevent or minimize the production of fructose and still reduce insulin and loose weight safely?
for the high salt to lead high fructose mechanisms, could it be in different by saying one group is in healthy metabolic (stable healthy level blood sugar) vs another group is already in worst situations (high blood sugar) ?
So , how much salt is too much ?
He does not say whether the study was done with normal table salt or iodine salt.thats very important. All keto/carnivore docs with utube channels say do salt to taste (body will tell u how much electrolytes u need from salt)
It's not salt, it's dehydration.
Drink more water, so you can forget about salt.
3-6g per day is good
@@benzhao6321
Drink to thirst not more ! See Dr Tim Noakes’s work .
Tim Noakes on the Serious Problem of Overhydration in Endurance Sports
Jun 19, 2012
www.outsideonline.com/1900801/tim-noakes-serious-problem-overhydration-endurance-sports
Tim Noakes on overhydration in athletes
00:00 18/06/2012
m.health24.com/diet-and-nutrition/beverages/tim-noakes-on-overhydration-in-athletes-20120721
More dietary nonsense! Just drink to thirst and no more !
Water Intoxication: Just How Much H2O Does It Take To Kill A Person?
Dec 3, 2014 04:25 PM
www.medicaldaily.com/water-intoxication-just-how-much-h2o-does-it-take-kill-person-312958
@@Urketadic
That is 11 grams of TABLE SALT !
Outstanding!
Why havnt I heard this about salt before?
Because I think he is wrong.
I don't know about his theories on salt - I don't see Bears trying to eat potato chips before hibernation. He could be right about dehydration but I have always noticed I don't have to go to the bathroom as much when I am eating sugar... I think this is because the water is shunted into the fat, and then your body doesn't have any.
it's not that bears eat potato chips with salt. It's when they don't have enough water to drink, their salt serum concentration increases, and this tells the body to produce fat, which can be burned for water. In terms of mutations that gave us a survival advantage, salt concentration was only 'supposed' to increase from lack of water, and evolution could not have predicted salty potato chips would have the same effect. so now we suffer the consequences, i.e. a case of an environmental mismatch.
Frutose is stored in the liver as glycogen that is converted to glucose as needed between meals and while sleeping
So, lowering A1C will lower Uric acid and High BP ? Will fasting help ?
Two of the great people the Romans and the Chinese both had grain based diets. Neither were fat.
I was sick as a dog until I cut down on meat and have based my diet on sprouted grain bread for almost 50 years.
I do not argue with Keto.
If it works for you fine, but I question the over consumption of protein and the liver damage.
White bread is poison.
Is there any link between linoleic acid and fructose?
what about the role of insulin to signal to the kidneys to hold on to salt... did you keep track of the salt after intake, how much that was excreted? and what was the basic diet? did the subjects eat low carb or high?
Why does insulin signal kidneys. Kidneys retain salt to retain water as a reaction to high glucose. When insulin collapse later in disease retention increase because higher blod sugar ...
At 18:20 The speaker has yet to define “a high salt “ diet ! Is that (a) according to the USDA? (B) what people on a SAD diet naturally take in? (C) Some data from a an RCT ? If so please post the DOI
At 24:10 quite vague he needs to place some metrics on his statements.
Don’t blame salt for what sugar did.
Re-listening to this after two years. I’m still hung up on him bashing salt👎🏼So ridiculous. I’ve played with some high carb intake since my last comment and I get inflamed, put on fat, workout/endurance suffers, sleep suffers, mood suffers, etc. All you Ketosis ppl knows what happens when you fall off and turn back in to a sugar burner! But the second I come back to keto (I do higher protein and not super high fat) I drop so much puffiness, pain and inflammation gone from my knees/entire body and my stamina goes up for my runs (third marathon coming up in 4 weeks). I put salt on my eggs, fish, beef and veggies. Always. Redmonds Real Salt. And I’m lean and fit af. But if I don’t have the salt, everything suffers. He might need to discuss further with Dr Nicolantonio. Probably spelled his name wrong but you know who I’m talking about! :) Fat adapted endurance training for the win! Fasted marathons all day baby😏
And that one food item can be margarine just eat real butter cook your eggs in bacon grease you know over medium don't eat bread oats or cornbread
🥇 The BEST, most USEFUL, HELPFUL, STRAIGHTFORWARD interview with Dr Johnson I have EVER heard! (Peter Attica does a good job, too-but unfortunately, there is way too much personal chatter in his podcasts.). Here, it is immediately ALL about the science and I love you for that, Geoffrey👍❤️
Just coming across this salt, water, fructose info. My brother's sodium is always low. Salts everything and is thin with too low blood pressure. Loves and eats carbs...potatoes, rice, pasta, corn, Lima beans, etc also eats fruits, stuff with seed oils and added sugar. I'm the opposite. I eat no additional salt, do my best to eat single ingredient foods, more protein than carbs, try for clean. Yet my blood pressure off of meds spikes high...I've tried adding salt..no change. I don't get it. :-(
Dr Berg says low potassium leads to high blood pressure.
Very interesting
Low salt? Is he taking about the proper salt or the bleached table salt?
Besides fructose from our ancestors cannot be compared today. Even if they ate loads of fruits the amount of fiber in the fruits itself offset the sugary uptake. Fiber is nature’s antidote to these. The sweetest fruits or highest contexts of sugar has the most fibers too. Today’s fructose especially from HF corn syrup is engineered to make profit.
Anecdote: I rather have high salt than have muscles aches, blood pressure problems, mental focus problems, electrolyte imbalance, fatigue, low stomach acid etc...
Insulin is still the primary diver of fat storage, high salt of having salt while on fasting does not stimulate insulin. If my body will generate insulin production by endogenous fuel conversion while fasting so be it. But I will never go back to low salt ever again!!!!!
Yes you when it comes to fruits, and I wouldn’t totally dismiss fiber either, the fiber from nature that are not genetically modified. Dismissing fiber is like denouncing your microbiome, and you would not like that quick sugar uptake in the blood stream would you? He talks about slowly eating the cake, well fiber can even take it slower.
Try eating your fruits then without the fiber or juice it and see the result.
It has been known that the body naturally converts 3-30% of glucose to fructose depending on metabolic state and carb intake. The interviewee did keep talking about high salt in the context to higher carbs.
@@kagiwpilipinas4875
I disagree! Modern fruits are just tree candies! Fiber is a waste of chewing! Fiber being a subset of carbohydrates is NOT essential in the human diet!
Fruits, vegetables and fiber are just modern myths to sell rubbish foods !
10:36-10:42 What the 😲😨? I kinda see this phenomenon is some kids, less than an hour of consuming loads of carbs...sandwich/ cream biscuits and fruit juices etc.
His name is Richard Johnson! Second cousin to Peter McSchlong.
You completely lost me at “I would love to see severe taxes”. Giving the govt, one that is largely complicit in the obesity epidemic, another tool to bludgeon people is a bridge too far.
CP Kelco Okmulgee Oklahoma a GMO corn syrup food additive factory. High fructose GMO corn syrup main cause of obesity conditions such as metabolic syndrome.
If you would compare the sad American diet the standard American diet to a car it'd be like you're putting too much gas into the cylinder and you check the fuel trim and it says too much gas not enough air which means exercise and fasting
MD here 200K in med school education and they didn't teach me this stuff
These days I think cookies and crackers and bread and chips Doritos in a sense it's really bad for your health I mean donuts everybody knows donuts are bad for your health and you think you can eat it once a week but that may be too often
@ Gary TAUBES
Fructose is in everything green & healthy so if you're eating alot of it, (as experts recommend) then you're also upping your fructose that way. You can't win!
"Fructose is in everything green & healthy"
1) No, it isn't. Glucose is but fructose is basically only in fruit.
2) The question is whether "green" is healthy. There are many reasons why this may not be the case and why eating animal foods only is the more healthier way.
3) Fructose in fruit is not as bad as refined fructose or sucrose as the fibre slows down the uptake of fructose in the small intestine and this will give time to the liver to cope with it. That said, even fructose in fruit causes insulin resistance to some degree - otherwise we as humans would not be here...
Geoffrey, about the salt, I just watched a few days ago a UT vid from Dr Lustig where he mentioned a Mcgill university study of 100K people where the results said you need about 4grams a day and that less is not good and more is better. And now Dr. Johnson says if you are on low carb then too much is bad(produces fructose). Maybe you can dig a little deeper into this. Thanks.
I remember seeing a rather large meta analysis that indicated 4-5g of sodium is optimal for lower all cause mortality. All cause to the minimum amount of sodium (900mg) is the highest on the chart I had seen. while the same all cause for the maximum recommended (2300mg of sodium or 2.3g) is approximately the same as 10g of sodium (or 20g of salt roughly).
He is literally saying salt turns into fructose in the body. A zero calorie mineral magically transforms in to fructose. I just cannot agree lol
Walter...which video please?
@@noblumoon Actually, now I'm not 100% sure it was Lustig. I watched so many of them in a short period, it may have been one from Noakes or Phinney, sorry.
@@wally6193 thank you
Yes, 100% fruit juice is not a health food.
Thank you, both
How do you explain the dramatic weight loss of those people who have successfully adopted the McDougall High Starch Diet?
Low fat most likely
I think it is due to lower ratio of vegetables on his diet which amounts to low fructose consumption.
This guys salt ideas are all wrong as i have done the N=1 diet using salty fatty red meat and find my salt is very helpful.
Maybe his goiter issues are the result of his lack of salt???
This sycophantic interviewer is a bit hard to take. Lots of words not saying muck.
Hear, Hear!
Humans eat fruit that is more tart. I don’t think so.
Hmm this was good until he basically says that high salt intake will magically turn in to fructose in your body and make you fat😑. I listened to him explain his rationale and it still makes no sense. Making a calorie dense macro from a mineral? No. Also I’ve been keto for 10 months with hella high salt and I’m an ANIMAL and didn’t get FAT in 5 months like he says will happen lol this is the leanest and strongest and tightest I have ever been. And I came from very low salt vegan diet. But eat salt with high carbs, of course you’ll be fat! And bloated! And hypertensive! And retain water! And develop fatty liver! But strict keto with salt on all your meats and eggs fish and veg and the salt turn in to fructose and make you fat? I’m sorry but that’s one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard haha. I’ll still Listen to the rest of this talk though so I can hear more bashing on fructose! 🤣
Sounds very similar to my history, my interpretation, my reaction, and my concerns about the salt conclusion.
Oh good, I was worried he'd say fruit is bad! I eat apples, pears, watermelon and pineapple, but I'm dairy, gluten and grain free. 150 grams protein a day from seafood and pastured chicken. LOTS of green veges. 5'10", 128lbs. 42 yrs old.
Less than 1% of the population is truly allergic to Gluten. Those who are not allergic and eliminate gluten are not doing themselves any favours.
We are all different. I'm 38 been keto last 2 years and aged 24.5 kg in 6 months. I do keto with low carb with carnivore all mixed depending on the day. If I eat fruits (same in past when on standard diet) I put on weight instantly. I like fruit but if I want to stay lean I cant eat it. I love dairy thou. I can eat cottage cheese like u eat bananas lol
@@relaxgood512 i am a MD. it is not an allegy. the one % are intolerant. Besides that many people are sensitive to gluten and too much of it will harm everybody. i am not against eating bread or pasta every now and then but it should be in moderation. otherwise you risk inflammation in your gut and it might also trigger autoimmune diseases.
@@hiraijo1582 I went Plant Based 7 years ago, my blood pressure and all my blood markers are much better now in my 60s than when I was in my 30s. I have learned one thing in 7 years, if you stay away from processed food, fast food, restaurant food as much as possible and adulterated cooking oils sold in the grocery store anyone will be much healthier no matter what kind of diet you are on. Bad fats in the cells are causing many diseases.
@@relaxgood512 i agree. avoiding processed foods, sugars and seed oils will do a great benefit and maybe you are one of the lucky ones, who can tolerate higher amounts of grain. most people don`t. just listen to your body. if you feel good on your diet, go on. than it might be the best diet for you.
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16:14 wrong. Glucose does not convert to fructose in the human body. Why would you even make such a claim?
Obese people take offense to this because skinny people get this too. FYI
Eat less fruits, less salt,, drink more water.
Save you 60 minutes, and add you 10 years life.
As per this conversation one should not take fruits like apple, water melon,papaya,etc to control and to keep blood sugars and insulin spike.
Carbohydrates from whole foods is good for you. I went Plant Based 7 years ago, lost 30 lbs. in the first 6 months and have kept the weight off. I am in my 60s and my blood pressure, Hemoglobin A1C, Blood Glucose, Triglycerides, are better now than when I was in my 30s. Please distinguish between refined carbs and unrefined carbs.
refined unrefined still sugar. There is no need for it
@@elzee4253Too many myths out there. People who box themselves into food camps are foolish. Read ALL the Science and open your eyes. Eliminating whole grains from a diet is more than foolish.
@Henrik Schandorff people have reversed diabetes with rice and sugar, some studies are not worth the paper they are printed on
@Henrik Schandorff you sound like a narcissist
@@relaxgood512 Grains are not necessary at all. Break down straight into glucose and fructose.
Fructose 2.0
Bordering on Lamarckism?
You had me until the hypothesis that we came from Apes. God created us in HIS image and I don’t believe the creator of Heaven and Earth dragged his knuckles.
I did not like his mixed of ideas.. Sorry, Jason Fung, Bickman, Attia, talk in a different way.. Bye