China and Russia: MI6’s top concerns
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- Опубліковано 13 чер 2024
- MI6 chief Richard Moore speaks to the “The Economist Asks” podcast about the world's biggest threats-from a possible Russian invasion of Ukraine to China’s increasing access to personal data
00:00 - 00:49 MI6 is stepping out of the shadows
00:49 - 02:55 Will Putin invade Ukraine?
02:55 - 03:49 China’s influence has grown
03:49 - 04:40 Our relationship with China
04:40 - 05:33 A new technological battleground
05:33 - 07:01 China’s data and surveillance trap
Listen to the full interview with ‘C’ on “The Economist Asks” podcast:
econ.st/3ImiVhV
Why Mr Moore sees China as the main intelligence threat: econ.st/3fDOVBX
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Russia’s menacing of Ukraine is unlikely to induce NATO to retreat: econ.st/3nEsYay
Read our China coverage here: econ.st/3tG3lK1
What will China do in 2022? Watch here: econ.st/3qECE6K
Read our interactive piece on repression in Russia: econ.st/33A9LzH
Watch out film on facial recognition and state control in China econ.st/3qHTAt9
Huawei is a cyber-security risk: econ.st/3tD3ptZ
How to deter Vladimir Putin from invading Ukraine econ.st/3FOMmb6
So MI6 director is upset because China or Russia are getting the private data instead of him?
Hey! You say the truth
I for one certainly don't want China nor Russia nor any foreign power to have the date of my family and self.
eww... I don't think it is critical for the Chinese to get Britain's data at all... the story is it is more likely to be Chinese' firms etc Huawei makes things harder for MI6 to access people's data, so the MI6 is mad about it
So the American’s ability to access private data around the world, according to the Economist, is fine?
A bunch of Hypocrites
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it's an oxymoron isn't it? or at least an obvious contradiction... if the government can access private data, by definition, that data is no longer private, therefore they are no accessing private data... it's a circular logical situation like a snake eating it's tail... what we need and are getting close to, are secure blockchain mechanisms, that CONNECT to user controlled data as required, and do NOT COLLECT it, into insecure and unsecured servers... there are risks with blockchain, we must prevent it from becoming an Eastern-BlocChain-Gang... it's a system, it has benefits, it has risks...
Isn't MI6 and the NSA precisely about control through data? in the end, it's all about retaining an upper hand and sense of control, isn't it?
Yeah... That's just where it boils down... Info is power...
Britain wants to keep colonizing countries basically
It's undeniably true that the US and UK are the pioneers on controlling data. BUT, the huge difference is that the UK and US can be held accountable by it's citizens while China isn't. Americans and British can always complaint and raise concerns about certain issues because they have democracies while the Chinese doesn't have any choice other than to let it's authoritarian government exploit every data it can get .
@@theparamountparamount913 US UK citizens can challenge how their intelligence services are run? U must b high. The intel services are their overlords.
@@theparamountparamount913 The secret services cannot be politically accountable even in a democracy precisely because the electorate do not know exactly what they do, so they are unable to make informed voting choices to hold those services to account for their actions. Secret services therefore have no place in a genuine democracy, it's a racket.
Britain is certainly not the hallmark of respect for sovereignty. And that is in reference to its recent history.
Shocking that a world super power of the XIX century dont act as a world power of the XXI century.
@Micheal Box rich?
@Micheal Box UK is not rich lol
Brit was the biggest drug dealer not respected in Asia .
A secret agency cannot be open and transparent. It's an oxymoron.
"To have Anglo-Saxon as an enemy is a very bad thing! Even the worst thing is to have Anglo-Saxon as a friend!!" (gen. Vandamme, the chief of Russian foreign inteligence, 1890s)
“To be an enemy of America can be dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal.” - Henry Kissinger
Discriminatory remarks from top military leadership is worrying. Luckily this example was 19th century stuff..
@@cheesypuffs1342 Henry Kissinger was the worst of us
@@cheesypuffs1342 *This is where "Economist" lost its "moral grounds" - for the first time since west gain dominance through being the early bird on industrialization*
-now it just became another national propaganda tool
This is dangerous and scary
*multiple high grounds - moral, ethical, logical ...*
I thought MI6's top concern is who is going to be the next James Bond?
"If you allow access to key data, then you will slowly erode your sovereignty." Really well said. Everybody knows that US has been practising this for years to many countries including even its ally. What should we say about that?
It's alright for American to do this because America is the big boss, but it's strictly prohibited for any other countries.
LOL nothing beats communist Chinese evil regime. You must come from there.
We should say: thsnk G-d we are ahead of China on this. 🌎🌍🌏
One of the first interviews by an Mi6 chief and he echoes what every western media house is already saying 🥱
Wrong, it is MI6 chief who makes western media house said. This is the source of lies
Fast forward today and Russia have invaded Ukraine, this comment get old quick. Perhaps theres truth on this afterall
@@nuanasainai touché 😅
@@leonardbrikus9906 ..qq
Use to be a secret powerful role. Now, Chief is a glorified public relationship manager.
I really admire Mi6 High Art of Hypocrisy
😜
What did he say in the interview that was hypocritical?
An old master imperialist, accusing others of doing what they hv been doing for decades if not centuries.....truly shameless 😔
So even more reason to prevent any other superpower misruling the world. It is termed "Learning from history".
Because China is overtaking our masters economy thats why we changed our tone about China. Thank you Economist.
The cracking down on Anglo-Saxon hegemony...
Accusing your enemies of doing EXACTLY what you are doing, eh...?
"Learning from history" means opposing any superpower ruling the world.
In fact，the UK is not in China's list of top concern. It is just too weak to be viewed as main threat.
Wow thanks for your insight
When you can only field one carrier and have to drydock the 2nd it says all that needs to be said. I don't think China has quality and their weaponry has been dubious. But they only need a few cutting edge systems as they have the bodies to throw into battle. Numbers count at the end of the day .
Yes being a weak UK is more alarming in the world.... Remember the former empire almost conquered the world like what the Mongols did...
UK's cousins can restart it's power when they become a new entity ahem CANZUK Union
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You clearly know nothing about the history of your pathetic state.
Britain was never EVER able to hold to any significant lands in Europe.
Britain is a glorified American vassal state.
@@amusedobserver6134 you are more pathetic and historical deniers 😹😹😹😹 plus a woke culturist
It will be interesting to know what will be the position of The West if Cuba & Venezuela declare they want Russian Nuclear Missiles on their soil.
Will the West say that they too have the same rights to choose as Ukraine?
No diplomatic answers, please? Please be honest, straightforward, and not hypocritical!!
Its been done. Cuban missile crisis. The west will go nuts and threaten to blow up the world.
@@michaellipkin9430 *This is where "Economist" lost its "moral grounds" - for the first time since west gain dominance through being the early bird on industrialization*
-now it just became another national propaganda tool
This is dangerous and scary
*multiple high grounds - moral, ethical, logical ...*
Why would Cuba a comunist country, want missiles of a nationalist olarch capitalist power, knowing that wkuld anger the USA and knowing that they want so bad to have economical relations with the USA. Real Politik, do you know it?
How on earth is annexing territory of another state equivalent to placing nukes in another country? In fact, Russia does have some troops operating in Cuba and Venezuela, and the US/west doesn't seem concerned
@@salokin3087 usa is also illegal occupying Cuba till now and talk about USA troops in Syria till now, why?
This is bound to happen when you give technology and business know how by outsourcing your manufacturing while still lecturing their government on political matters.
Cannot agree more. UK is on the receiving end of technology.
Technical challenges can be countered by more advanced technologies only. No amount of talk would make any difference.
John shut up!!! Nobody forced the West to pass technology to China?! Cheap labor + a government that has a political will is what kept manufactured goods cheap on the world market! China opened up to the world and had only one requisite for countries willing to set base in China: Pass know how and you get access to Chinese market. Is that unreasonable? Nope! Could the West have declined? Yes! Why didn't they decline technology transfer? Reduce costs!
@@ABC-ABC1234 I never blamed China. It’s the western countries own fault for thinking that they can change the political system by trading with them.
Internally they empower the izlamists, externally they set up the Communists and they say there's reason for worry.
Economy and financial issues in Western world are the driver.
It is ironic that UK ppl doesn’t see your own country as a threat to world peace!
Any superpower is a threat to world peace.
Having been kicked out of the spy centre of Asia, HongKong, MI6 is now taking a public route on arguing that 'we used to be able to tap into data whenever we want, but now we can't' if we let Huawei to build our network". (The Fact is Huawei has been working with GCHQ on inspecting their equipment since the early 2000s. Every piece of their gear was inspected inside out. The only telecommunication company does that...)
*This is where "Economist" lost its "moral grounds" - for the first time since west gain dominance through being the early bird on industrialization*
-now it just became another national propaganda tool
*multiple high grounds - moral, ethical, logical ...*
Former Minister of Communication Vince Cable came out to say in a recent interview that UK was told to drop Huawei by the US despite repeated assurances by UK Intelligence that Huawei was not in a position to spy.
Who will lose the chance to spy on MI-6? I am convinced that Huawei's gear can send the data to Chinese somehow. Huawei is one of the major key contributors to development of the 5G, showing that they are highly capable of developing new technologies as well. I would trust the US on that
@@Tiger-gz6yn The ex Minister of Communication Vince Cable came out to say British Intelligence assured him many times they could find nothing in Huawei gear where it could undertake spying.All gear has to be approved by the Intelligence first.Its pretty harsh to continue to accuse them of spying when you can find nothing!Maybe the US doesn't want Huawei's gear in the West as it would not be able to spy on its allies as it does all the time!
@@thinkingaloud5379 US has been caught a number of times spying on the Germans.
Question should be what does China and Russia think of the UK and the US.... While the US decides what half the world's governments should do....
Sad.
The average wage in the Russian sphere of influence is somewhere near 200 USD.
It isn't necessary for the head of MI6 to do this interview in person, Bond can do this instead
Britain wanting to STOP what Britain does is funny ! leave Russia and China alone
Learning from history means opposing any superpower ruling the world ever again.
The Economist NEEDS new and actual journalists.
You must have been living under a rock. The Economist has been a neocon propaganda machine for at least 15 years.
@@pizzadoe7922 *This is where "Economist" lost its "moral grounds" - for the first time since west gain dominance through being the early bird on industrialization*
-now it just became another national propaganda tool
This is dangerous and scary
*multiple high grounds - moral, ethical, logical ...*
@@pizzadoe7922 The economist is just a journal which speaks for British millionaires
@@pizzadoe7922 How exactly are they "neocon"? What neocon policies do they support?
The countries that use Huawei equipment, the Anglo world can't spy on them anymore, period.
*Americans taps into Angela Merkel's phone is OK*
Unbelievable....the world as we know it it is hurting...and we seem unable to come together....we are like trained rats. .. our intelligence trapped in a maze...so smart...yet so dumb .
Funny you mention "trap".
I think Thucydides Trap is precisely why the world is in its current state right now. The old imperialist powers cannot let go, so they are doing everything they can to stop or slow down the rise of the first non-Western power in 400 years.
@@darthvadeth6290 Yes, It would have been wise and humane to retain Ukraine as a neutral country, we should also note that it has been neither sovereign nor neutral since it was taken over by the USA in 2014. This fellow and his organization are of course very active in support of the corporate neo-liberal imperialist project. I feel so sad for the Ukrainians who are being used as pawns in a bigger game to goad Russia into a war, with the ultimate goal of subordinating it to Western control.
MI6's top concerns? MI6 is a little brother of NSA, NSA's concerns arbitrates MI6's concern and MI6's concern is to keep NSA happy。
Such a conceited American view is expected. GCHQ in UK does not pass on to NSA every single scrap of data they have on potential enemies. You are sorely misinformed.
NSA is a cheap copy of MI6
You in the west don't like the" rise " of anyone else do you ?
No they don't but can't say it.
The guy dribbled on for 5 long minutes, all I hear is fear of China
Fake news! As informed by James Bond movies, the head of MI6 is M, not C!!!
Is the full episode in UA-cam?
I tought mr bean runs MI6
We can do what we want.
But you can only do what we told you to.
-Anglo
Nice interview
The funny part is colonist talking about value and morality. How democratic is imposing democracy on others? In 2020-21 Huawei filed most number of patents worldwide so remind me of emerging technology again.
Nice argument 👍
where is democracy being imposed on others in Europe? Countries have a right to self determination. Russian is just mad that Europe prefers to be Western, and wants to take countries by force.
@@maxchen7229 *This is where "Economist" lost its "moral grounds" - for the first time since west gain dominance through being the early bird on industrialization*
-now it just became another national propaganda tool
This is dangerous and scary
*multiple high grounds - moral, ethical, logical ...*
I used to believe BBC and most US medias. But They lost my respect recently. They somehow become a propaganda Machine and don’t care about truth anymore!
Not sure anyone alive in the UK today is responsible for colonialism - but whatever. Go sign up for China's empire, get some delicious belt-and-road debt under your belts.
The Chinese must be trembling in their boots,when they hear what catastrophe ,Big English Borris, might visit upon them.🤣🤣🤣
Now the biggest problem is who has the most powerful light switch then the invading forces can go to work if we don’t work together then we will always be looking over our backs when one ally gets solid info on an enemy then let the others know.
Learn proper English before you go sharing your 'battle craft' knowledge, son.
Wow wow mi16 shows concern..
The west has the one china policy since decades back and have given russia the assurance that nato wouldn't expand as ussr folded up. So why is it so concerning about things that have been agreed so many decades ago?
The West *says* they have a one China policy.
mi16? that one's new to me :p
MI6 in India has a record which equals to if not more fearful than Hitler's butchers .
Really ?!!!!!
@@unniramesh5733 Please learn your own history
It's weird to hear China pronounced as Chinar (emphasis on the R at the end of the word) all the time...
The difference between these two "threats" is that one of them is making western corporations richer, the other one is disposable because it doesn't have the same economic leverage as the fromer.
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Basically concluded with a single word - *paranoia*.
The biggest secret is they don't exist,.
The Uk's debt is about 345% GDP, 127,000 USD / a British.
The Russia's debt is about 32% GDP, 3,700 USD / a Russian.
Which country is really in the economic crisis.
Hmm true
Where are you getting your numbers from? Britain debt isn't 340%. UK general government gross debt was £2,223.0 billion at the end of the financial year equivalent to 103.6% of gross domestic product (GDP).
Russia has a low debt to Gpd because Russia defaulted in 1998 so no one was willing to lend to them at attractive enough prices.
"At the end of the day, climate change is the biggest issue of all" - Head of MI6
Oh dear, been having tea with Carrie again.
Criminals do not believe the others are innocent, period!
Ironic as Great Britain has been the largest empire to ever exist. I agree with not imposing on sovereign states but this is controversial to what GB has stood for in the 19th and 20th centuries.
They still impose their imperialist agenda on India.
The British Empire was the second most benevolent prior to Pax Americana.
@@audience2 Except for that whole thing about taxing tea, which was intolerable, sure.
@@audience2 Lol, what a joke- the British Empire being “benevolent”. It was the most oppressive of the empires.
If you are going to judge today on what happened a century ago, so to speak, then you will not get an accurate result. History is there to learn from for sure, but times, culture, understanding, education etc change, and have changed greatly, information and news is now instant, 100 years ago, it was not!
Whose metro system is in the thumbnail?!
SPAZIBO Economist ;-)
Talking about data collecting... Just look at our daily apps and softwares... Facebook, WhatsApp, Instagram, Twitter, Snapchat, Google, Yahoo, Outlook, LinkedIn, UA-cam, Window, Android, iOS.. and don't forget there are loophole in our devices for Murica govt to access.. All come from one country Murica.. this guy should be more concern that Murica is collecting data and have a 24/7 surveillance. How is it he so concern China doing it when Murica is the experts at this?
Im sure they knew about Edward ...
Fascinating interview
I am confused, they are speaking as if the Chinese tech companies are the Chinese government. When in fact, unlike the west the Chinese is actually actively trying to reduce their tech companies influence and monopoly.
Also, I have no idea which Chinese ride sharing and dating app they are referring to. You guys actually use those in Europe?
Chinese military has pretty cozy relationships with tech companies. TikTok for example.
@@DHEspana and yet they cracked down on tik tok in China? I think that's some non sense western media narrative.
@@DHEspana *This is where "Economist" lost its "moral grounds" - for the first time since west gain dominance through being the early bird on industrialization*
-now it just became another national propaganda tool
This is dangerous and scary
*multiple high grounds - moral, ethical, logical ...*
Pretty much all high tech companies have ties to US military. It's ok because US is king of the world! There's nothing anyone can do about it!
@@DHEspana American tech companies have billion dollar contracts with US defense industries: Microsoft, Alphabet, Amazon
Oh wow the intelligence in the open? What is new about what we no already. Is this an attempt to make your propaganda more plausible?
I would add Johnson and the Conservative party as more serious risk than the other two you have mentioned
well educated, appears sophisticated yet spews lots of stereotypical accusations without evidence. how iconic & ironic.
I'm no supporter of Russia but how would it be if Russia offered a military alliance with Scotland and sent advisors and equipment there? Anyone remember the Cuban missile crisis? Neither Britain with it's colonial history or the US and it's many foreign fiascos have the moral standing to peddle influence in Russia's neighbour. It needs a trusted neutral body
Scotland isn't a sovereign country.
@@yoyo-lf3ld True (at least for now) but you get the point
She's not pulling him up on him not answering her questions she just nods and looks at the screen for the next question.
It’s easy to raise fears, concerns and risks.
It’s another when these fears, concerns and risks are interwoven into interests, trade, livelihood, jobs, living, supply chains that took decades to form.
What alternatives or solutions do you have to counter these fears, concerns and risks?
Not much without affecting yourselves… and is it more paranoia defeating and tearing down stuff and relationships without concrete proofs?
Is living in fear really that satisfying?
Basically, their discussion was a lot about nothing in substance. Thank you, Economist!
*This is where "Economist" lost its "moral grounds" - for the first time since west gain dominance through being the early bird on industrialization*
-now it just became another national propaganda tool
This is dangerous and scary
*multiple high grounds - moral, ethical, logical ...*
感谢
What does the 6 say now?
In pursue of its on values… hmmm is uk not doing the same.
What about the price to us ?
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Hypocrite
Thanks Economist. I can't recall having this much fun reading a comments section in a long time. And in keeping in the spirit of the other comments here, I'd like to simply say to anyone reading this: No, you.
No u.
@@objectdefiance4027 *This is where "Economist" lost its "moral grounds" - for the first time since west gain dominance through being the early bird on industrialization*
-now it just became another national propaganda tool
This is dangerous and scary
*multiple high grounds - moral, ethical, logical ...*
@@robertgittings8662 What do you mean. The economist is libertarian - therefore you judgement on moral grounds means nothing - each to their own sunshine. Whatever makes bank.
Wow 😲 Boss of James Bond is in podcast
Anglo-saxon demise.
Historically isn't MI6 always been managed by KGB double agents? Especially those graduated from Cambridge.
Even the latest 007 actor has the face of Vladimir Putin.
Roasted 1000 max lol
They've had KGB infiltrate them numerous times, as did MI6 infiltrate the KGB equally if not more times with double agents.
Always managed by double agents? No, they've never had a C that's been a double agent but in the 60s and 70s were there several double agents working for the KGB.
Where was this Mr. Bond @ during the Cuban Crisis?
translate:
"Let the new cold war begin!"
M16 pretty cool gun.
I would only say, where is Julian Assange, without him there is no truth?.
Sadly they got to him.
The head of MI6 is "Control".
What a surprise!.
Sadly I can hardly see any news negative or positive about UK here in China.
Well, nothing news worthy at least
I am surprised this is not from IMF
The MI6 did jack to prevent the collapse of the British Empire.
why would they have prevented it?
because the corporate model works better than the colonial model.
Glad the economist didn’t lick the CCP
Is sounding like Roger Moore a job requirement for the head of MI6?
We needed MI6 to tell us THAT???
That goes without saying.
As the government is in a shamble and has little energy left now, UK would let its intelligence to do some 'diplomatic' work..
From a country whom colonialized almost half of the world. What a Joke
Shaken not stirred.
While values are important, climate change needs to be dealt with first. If we don't, will we be around to ague about values in 100 years from now?
Barring some amazing med tech advances I don't think any of us will be around 100 years from now.
The thing is we can't 100 percent focus on climate change if we all cannot work together. We have to have a certain amount of peace with each other in order to achieve solutions for climate change
@@quintrankid8045 Our children or grand children won't have a planet that can sustain human life.
@@skittles2743 Agreed. Is the US and the collective west ready to shred the PNAC to make that happen?
@@guywilloughby5443 I can only speak from my subjective perspective about the attitudes of my fellow citizens. It appears to me that at this point most of us want to take a step back from the world stage. Personally, I am curious to see who will step into the power vacuum that leaves. We live in interesting times.
Thanks! :-) (y)
Thats what we call classy
Cut off the oil and gas to Europe, war one easily.
Sanction on anyone who trades with an oligarch and freeze accounts. Overthrow organised easily.
@@JasonLowderTheRanga I would think backing their currency's with gold would also do the trick, without going to war. But maybe that is war.
It's Russia thats cornered, not the West. Russia didn't push its border to the West, it's the other way around.
except those countries have a right to choose their alignment, not to have it forced upon them by Russia.
@@jibjub2121 Neither of the countries, which began hosting US military infrastructure in recent years, have chosen their alignment freely. Ukraine had a vicious and brutal government takeover after a coup attempt with US officials present at the protest, giving instructions and aid to protesters as well as unmarked snipers shooting at civilians to provoke foreign involvement. I was never asked in a referendum if my country should join NATO, yet our pro-american government did it. Same scenario in most Eastern European countries. Sponsoring NGO's and foundations that force a regime change, which benefits USA/UK, isn't a right to choice.
@@jibjub2121 Finland was neutral throughout the cold war. It seems this option is no longer available since NATO has to find a role for itself.
@@KW-hk2jd It is indeed at the hands of the West. We all know it, don't we?
@@jibjub2121 Right to change alignment?Well,the US nearly went to war with USSR when it placed missiles in Cuba.The US assassinated the Chile President, Allende who decided to side with USSR over the US and invaded Grenada when it became too friendly with the Soviets .So one rule for the West and another rule for the rest?
This aged well
Wasnt sherlock MI6 chief?
Unbelievable
I thought there will be something new....
Time to dispatch James Bond!
Do you think this guy has a Geiger counter in his wrist watch or a poison dart in his cuff link?
(well...someone had to say it!)
So US’ enormous ability to access UK data is not a concern but that of China is? Isn’t British a sovereign nation regardless who taps its data, be it Chinese or Americans? Who is going to be more helpful in advancing British economy, US or China in next decade, that’s the question economists should honestly ask.
Blood is thicker than water
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what happened?